Motley Fool Hidden Gems Investing - An Investor’s Guide to 2026
Episode Date: January 2, 2026What does the new year bring to investors? We discussed the AI trade, how the economy is faring, and why commodities may not be place to look for opportunities today. Travis Hoium, Emily Flippen, and ...Lou Whiteman discuss: - The AI trade- How the economy is doing- What stocks will go up and down- Stocks on our radar Companies discussed: NVIDIA (NVDA), Target (TGT), Chipotle (CMG), Intel (INTC), Lululemon (LULU), Nike (KNE), Tesla (TSLA), Alphabet (GOOG, GOOGL), Palantir (PLTR), Apple (AAPL), Amazon (AMZN), Airbnb (ABNB), Honeywell (HON), Novonordisk (NOVO). Host: Travis HoiumGuests: Emily Flippen, Lou WhitemanEngineer: Bart Shannon Advertisements are sponsored content and provided for informational purposes only. The Motley Fool and its affiliates (collectively, “TMF”) do not endorse, recommend, or verify the accuracy or completeness of the statements made within advertisements. TMF is not involved in the offer, sale, or solicitation of any securities advertised herein and makes no representations regarding the suitability, or risks associated with any investment opportunity presented. Investors should conduct their own due diligence and consult with legal, tax, and financial advisors before making any investment decisions. TMF assumes no responsibility for any losses or damages arising from this advertisement. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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The calendar has flipped to 2026. So where are we investing? Motley Fool Money starts now.
Welcome to Motley Fool Money. I'm Travis Hoyum, joined by Lou Whiteman and Emily Flippen.
And since the calendar has now moved to 2026, we're recording this a couple of days early so
that we can have a little bit of time later in the week. But we are thinking a lot about how
we're investing in 2026, what the economy looks like, where there's value, maybe where we should
be selling a little bit. So I wanted to start with a couple of different themes. And the biggest
thing that we have to talk about, this has been the topic of the market for the last three years,
that's artificial intelligence. Where are you looking at the AI trade in 2026, Lou? And you
can take this in any number of different directions. Is there risk? Is there opportunity?
Or is this just something that you're monitoring from the sidelines and going, you know what,
this is accounting for 50% of GDP growth. That's a pretty notable change in the way that we think
about AI. The first thing is it's 2026 and wow, we're still doing this instead of AI. So cheers
to us for that, right? The disruption has not hit us yet. Yeah. Yeah. Not yet. Famous last words.
So, you know, what strikes me about AI, and I've been thinking about this a lot, is that, you know, the novelty is over. The magic is gone. When ChatGP2 first came on the scene and it was wow, it was magic. And it was all this talk about virtual friends, you know, doing all these chores for us. And, you know, just kind of what was new in magic before is now sort of mundane. And I think the answer from here is kind of boring. I think this is going to be the year of the agents of all of this stuff.
Wasn't 2025 supposed to be the year of agents?
Well, it was, and maybe that was the work, but here's what I think is happening here.
Again, it's not going to be the cool, magical stuff.
They're not going to be planning our vacations or doing these wow tasks, but there is just
all over the place.
We are just at the tipping point where so many little automations making so many little
tasks 10% better.
I don't think that that is what we all hope for.
Maybe the virtual friend, the imaginary friend is still coming, but I do think that matters.
The theme this year, if it's a theme, it's specification over scale.
It's no longer just this pure muscle, do all things, but just creating small AIs that can
just make life easier all over the place.
I think that is going to be the theme for 2026 and AI.
And I think there is real good news for investors there because I think that this translates
to revenue and profits better than the imaginary friend on our shoulder it's interesting you put
it that way because it seems like that would just be a continuation of the last 30 40 years in
computing and software is that the way that you're thinking about ai now and not just we're all going
to be we're not going to have to work anymore the way that elon musk says you know because robots or
whatever are going to be doing everything for us is it just going to be more of an incremental
technology improvement, the way that we've seen mobile phones and PCs and Excel spreadsheets and
things like that make things that used to be commonplace in the 70s, 80s, 90s become
just more efficient? Is that the right way to think about AI?
That's a dangerous question because it's open-ended. And I never want to say no to something
if you give a long enough timeline. But yeah, I think you hit it on the head. This is how progress
works. Progress is not flashy. Progress is not wow. Progress is incremental. And maybe we will
get to that vision. I don't think it'll be nearly as quickly as the pundits or the wow want to
think. I think just incremental improvement is how tech works when it works. Emily, when you look at
artificial intelligence, where are you looking at real business models being created? And again,
where does that risk reward lie? Yeah, I love that point. And to lose earlier comment about
us still doing this as humans, not being replaced by AI yet. I think part of the reason is, is
because we're willing to go out there a little bit and come here with some takes that maybe
wouldn't be generated by a chatbot. And then you can hold me and Lou accountable for them a year
from now when they inevitably end up wrong. But to your point, Travis, it's not so much about
creating new businesses. It's about evolving the business models that exist today. So the thing
that I'm watching with AI in 2026 is actually advertising. And I think that's the midterm game
for AI and AI-centered companies or companies that are looking to implement it. It's not the
data centers. It's not the CapEx, not enterprise usage. I think it's characterized by what the
Mag7 and other large tech companies are going to do with advertising as it relates to artificial
intelligence. There's only two of the Mag7 and NVIDIA and Tesla that aren't dependent upon
advertising revenue as a source of sales. And I'd actually argue that NVIDIA by proxy is actually
really heavily dependent on advertising, given the fact that its larger customer base needs to
sell ads in order to afford the hardware, right? Explain that, because I think OpenAI is really
the big question here. And they're obviously the elephant in the room. They're the ones with,
what is it now, $1.5 trillion in spending plans. A lot of that is NVIDIA chips,
but they don't have that advertising business model, but do they need it?
They desperately need it. And I think 2026 is the year where these individual consumers are
going to start seeing ads and other integrations into their chat GPT. And it's not just chat GPT,
it's Gemini. It's any company that has some sort of large language consumer facing model
is going to need to find a way to monetize the data that they have on the people using the
application, even if that comes alongside a subscription fee. And to me, that screams ads.
And without businesses generating ad revenue, they obviously, to a former point, can't afford
hardware to continue to expand and grow their business and their data centers, which results
in, by proxy, a declining sales for NVIDIA. But it's not just OpenAI. I mean, look, you can look
at Meta, another Mac seven company, virtually 100% of their sales are ad based sales. Google
is like 75% plus of their sales are ads. So all of these companies are really heavily dependent
upon that. And what's really interesting about the world of advertising is it's kind of a zero
sum game, which is to say, just because open AI comes out and says, Hey, you could put ads on,
on chat GPT. Now just using that as one example, it doesn't mean that the ad budgets for companies
that are buying placements suddenly increases. They still have a finite amount of money.
Unless you've built out that, that's a longer game, right? Like the businesses that are built
because Shopify and Facebook exist, but that doesn't happen in 2026. That's a five, 10 year
story. Exactly. So hopefully, I mean, I expect the world for advertising, demand for advertising,
the advertising size of the market, that is going to grow over time to your point, Travis. But
thinking about it from the perspective of an individual business, if I'm into it,
one of those businesses that just loves to advertise, especially around this time of year
as we get into tax season. If I'm into it, I'm not saying, oh, I have new places to advertise.
Therefore, my advertising budget for the entire year has increased proportionally to the number
of places I can advertise. They probably still have a set budget. Let's say it's $100 million
or whatever it may be. And they say, well, maybe I put less of that with meta. Maybe I put more of
that with open AI. And that's when it starts to get interesting for how these AI-based companies
are going to monetize and advertise because it's not just about how effective ads are by usage of
AI. It's actually how certain other interactions change as a result of where the money for ads is
actually spent. Yeah. So are you able to extract the same number of dollars? What's the margin?
I think that's going to be another one of these questions because it is more expensive to compute
with AI than it is with traditional compute. And we've seen that with margins at companies like
Meta and Alphabet over a long period of time. One of the things that you touched on, Emily,
that I think is interesting is are we at the point where this AI in general is proving to be much
more of a sustaining innovation rather than a disruptive innovation? I think if you go back to
that ChatGPT moment, you have stocks like Alphabet dropping or going at least nowhere, despite the
fact that they were growing revenue, because they thought that this was going to disrupt their
business. This was going to disrupt search. It was how they make money. Are we at the point where
we can say, you know what, there's going to be new businesses formed. This is going to be
an opportunity for entrepreneurs, but it's not necessarily going to destroy a whole bunch of
older tech businesses the way that we saw disruption when, let's say, Google and Meta,
Facebook came around that really destroyed kind of the newspaper business. Is that the right way
to think about it, at least where we sit today? I definitely think it is. And what's so interesting
about where we sit today versus where we sat even 20 years ago when we were going through the dot
com crisis or that boom of the internet is that companies and their leaders and their decision
makers are not unaware of the threat of disruption. I think everybody has become more aware. Disruption
almost implies the idea that you're being taken aback by something that you didn't see coming.
AI isn't so disruptive because we have companies that could see the future, so to speak, but saw
the existential threat and then decided to innovate around it. So it's, to your point,
much more sustaining than it is disrupting for these companies because they're investing in it.
And they can invest in it. That's the big thing. Like with the newspapers, they didn't have the resources. These companies have the resources to throw out the problem. Whether or not it makes everyone 100% a winner, I wouldn't say that. But I think that's the big difference is that so many of these companies have these virtual money printing machines that they can throw at the problem.
Well, and the constraints seem completely different. If you're a newspaper, you had a geographic constraint. That was your monopoly. You know, Google's playing in the world, the global economy. AI is going to do the same. It's just a different shift, it seems like.
Lou, I wanted to ask you about robotics, because this is one of the things that we often talk about with AI, and it's sort of this amorphous thing in the future. iRobot was the way to play this for a while. Obviously, that didn't work out. But there are sort of these moonshots that are happening, you know, whether it's at Tesla, you know, one of the companies I think is interesting that's still private is Figure. Is humanoid robots, you know, is that going to be something that's going to start impacting the economy, whether we're buying them as consumers or businesses or adopting those kind of products?
So at least for 2026, I'm still very skeptical about the dancing robots. I don't think I mean, this is going to be similar. The videos are pretty funny to me. Oh, yeah. I mean, they're awesome. But but this is going to be similar to my boring answer on AI. I don't think this right now is about Rosie the robot from the Jetsons making us eggs or doing our dishes.
But the great thing about AI, and I think we're going to hear a lot about robotics.
We'll get to this in my radar stock, even just to tease.
But the great thing about AI is that all of these robotics that we have and all this automation
we have, we're mostly single function machine, one task machines.
And AI gives us the ability to make them multifunction machines and to do more with the existing
technology.
Again, I don't think that ends up with a robot butler in 2026, but I think all over the automation world, what we can do with automation and what we can do with what we've already invest in is just going to really accelerate. And that is a huge productivity thing. It might not be fun for consumers, but it's great for us as investors because it does, I think over time, move the productivity curve.
I know I'm looking for a robot that will clean up after my kids.
So when that comes out, I will be an early adopter.
When we come back, we're going to talk about the economy and what we think about jobs and where spending is going in the future.
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We talked a little bit about AI,
but look, none of this works.
All the spending in AI doesn't really work
if the economy tanks.
And there's some signs of strength in certain places,
signs of weakness in others.
So Emily, where do you see the economy
going into 2026? What's good, what's bad, and what's just worth watching as the year plays out?
Well, I think I, like the average person, is very confused about what we're seeing today,
which is to say that the data that we have is painting two entirely different pictures.
If you just take the reported data at face value, it shows strong, real GDP growth that's rising and
accelerating, driven largely actually by consumer spending, right? Inflation, while still higher
than what the Fed wants, it's well-managed and it's inching downwards. And we're easing back to
those Fed targets. And the economy is still adding jobs and mortgage rates have eased. But
when I say that, I know the average listener is probably going, excuse me, that's not the reality
that I'm living right now. And underneath the data, I think we have a lot of confusion. There's
economists and even members of the Fed themselves that are doubting the data, which is to say that
not that the numbers are inaccurate, but not paying the full picture, saying that inflation
could be understated either due to the government shutdown or reporting metrics. Tariff impacts are
yet to show their true teeth. Layoffs are actually accelerating. Powell himself said that the jobs
data could be overestimated to the extent that the U.S. has actually been losing jobs to the
majority of 2025. So this is to say, it forces me to watch a lot more than I probably would want to
when I head into 2026. And what I'm having to do is look at ancillary data, right? Large-scale
layoffs, which companies are required to report. That's a great indicator of the job market.
Credit spread or delinquencies show a lot about the average consumer as we expand to that K-shaped
economy here in the United States and obviously CapEx from big tech companies. I mean, these in
my mind are kind of like the canaries in the coal mine of the economy when you can't or won't or
otherwise have doubts about the reported data. What is that K-shaped economy? We talk about
that a lot, but can you just explain what exactly that is? Because I think that will
be important as we go throughout the year. A lot of people have summarized it as like
the declining middle class, but in effect, the way that we have seen the economy grow and expand
over the course, especially over the last couple of years, but you can even expand it over to the
past few decades, is that the rich get richer and the poor get poorer to an extent. And the people
in the middle, so the average American who hasn't seen wage growth that matches inflation, is
effectively getting poorer and poorer. And so the big earners and the big spenders have been doing
a lot to keep the economy afloat, which helps these reported numbers look good at face value,
because there's a subset of high-spending, high-earning Americans that are doing well.
But a majority of Americans, those people who aren't seeing those raises or those increases,
are continuing to get worse year after year.
Yeah, I saw a recent stat that something like the top 10% of spenders
actually account for almost 50% of spending.
So there is a have and have nots.
Lou, what are you thinking right now?
Well, yeah, and again, we have to kind of put everyone in buckets
because we can't look at the individual.
But really what we're talking about here is there's a lot of pressure on some people,
but a critical mass of consumers are still employed, still spending,
and really we make decisions based on our own checkbook.
And so as long as that critical mass is there, whether or not it's a carve out of the middle class or something, I think those are all worrisome things to talk about.
But the bottom line is, is that as of right now, there are enough people spending to keep things going.
The question is, where from here does all of the job talk and all of these like negative signs, does it build on itself, slowly swallowing more consumers and breaking down that critical mass?
Or do we see inflation ease, which kind of helps with the jobs and all of a sudden, you know, employment picks up and that critical mass kind of gets us through to the other side?
It's really, really hard to know that.
I think both are possible.
You mentioned the data.
The other thing right now is that, look, I don't even think you need to be a cynic to question data right now.
They are saying that they are making methodology choices, which might be correct.
There has been forever debates about how we do economic data, but when you do that, when
you make changes, it makes apples to apples comparisons really hard.
So I don't even think you have to be a conspiracy theorist to say, I don't know how to read
the data.
And that makes life a lot harder for us who are trying to have an opinion or a prediction
of where things are going.
Lou, you may raise an interesting point about, I think about this like a snowball.
You know, in 2008, 2009, when the economy got really bad, you'd have to go back to 2006, 2007 to see the start of this. And how does that play out? Let's just talk about that downside risk. You know, layoffs, it isn't one layoff announcement tells us that a recession has begun or something like that. It's this trickle that becomes uncertainty for executives.
I remember sitting, listening to the CEO of 3M in, I believe it was 2008, saying, we don't know where the bottom is.
And so we're just going to cut as much as we possibly can because we don't want to be, you know, SOL when we do hit that bottom.
Is that sort of the risk is that this snowball starts, maybe AI spending cuts back, and we just don't know where it goes?
Inevitably, we always swing too far in either direction, right?
So, yes. I mean, I think the risk, when we started 2025, talking about the boiling frog economy,
that everything's fine until it's not. And I think heading into 2026, it's just going to be
that same theme where everything right now, from an economic perspective, from a Wall Street
perspective, is good enough. Wall Street doesn't have to act with Main Street. That's one of the
first lessons you learn. The stock market is not the economy. The stock market has kind of priced
some of this pressure in, it's all fine till it isn't. And to your point that when this critical
mass, when we stop seeing just enough people doing their economic activity, keeping things going,
that's the point where we're in trouble. And by then it's probably too late to avoid
at least some impact. Definitely a lot to think about with the economy and AI in 2026. When we
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in this section, we like to play a little game and we're going to see what Emily and Lou think
about some specific stocks. I'm going to call this up or down. The idea here is, do you think
these stocks are going to beat the market in 2026 or not? I have 12 stocks on the list and I have
asked them to split their votes 50-50. You can't just say everything is going to beat the market.
Lou, I'm going to have you go first with arguably one of the most important stocks for the stock
market because it is the biggest piece of the S&P 500. NVIDIA, are they going to beat the market
or not in 2026? An object in motion tends to stay in motion. I have them beating the market. Now,
look, the huge caveat here, they've been going up well, well in excess to the market. All they have
to do is go up probably 7%, 8% to be. I think NVIDIA might do less well than it has the last
few years, but still beat the market. That's a fair take, but I have to take the other end and
say they'll lose to the market. And the only reason is, look, I'm rooting for NVIDIA here,
But to counter Lou's point about an object in motion, typically, historically speaking, the largest company in the world is not the largest company in the world when you zoom out to a three-year time period.
NVIDIA has already been the largest company through the majority of 2025.
I can't help but think 2026 is probably going to be a high bar.
Let's move way away from AI to a potential falling knife, Target.
Emily, beat the market or not?
Beat the market.
Look, I've been meaning to buy Target for the better part of the last year.
I'm happy that I dragged my feet on that.
I intend to make that purchase at some point in early 2026, but I think they can get the
merchandising strategy right.
And if discretionary spend comes back, they're well positioned.
So I'm going the other way just because I think there can be a turnaround, but it's
going to take more than a year.
And in this context, I think one year is too short of a time frame.
I'll also say, look, retail is really, really, really tough.
Nobody has an inherent right to exist.
Ask Sears, even Kohl's, some of the problems.
I'm worried about Target long-term, and I don't think even if they do recover, it will be as quick as 12 months.
Let's go to another popular stock, Chipotle.
Lou, are they going to make a comeback in 2026?
I think this is a tough, tough year for Fast Casual.
Again, I'm not going to write them off, but I have Lou's here just because I think that there's a lot of choppiness.
I think in general, Fast Casual, there's just too many people chasing this audience now,
so it's hard for any of them to really, really thrive.
That doesn't mean it can't be a good business long-term,
but I'll take them losing this year.
I think Chipotle had a tough year this year
because they're coming off some really strong comps
in the post-pandemic period.
In 2026, their comps are going to be a lot easier
of a hurdle to jump over,
and I think expectations are too low.
So I have them beating the market.
What about another one that has confused me?
I mean, this one could be up 100% or down 50%,
but Intel, where are they going, Emily?
Oh, this is such a hard one.
I have a tepid lose to the market because when I look at the chip space, I just don't
know if they're the leader that they need to be to sustain market beating performance.
But it's a tepid lose.
It's a tepid lose.
Yeah.
And I have a tepid beat because I don't know what to think, too.
And it's weird to live in a world where I'm not sure we even need Intel.
Imagine saying that 10 years ago, you know, but I do think they have the backing of the
full faith and credit of the U.S. government.
They have that.
They just closed the investment with NVIDIA.
I do think there's wind at their back.
Long-term, I'm not sure I want to own this.
I don't know where they shake out, but I think it'll be a better 2026 for them.
What about another consumer company?
And this gets to what we talked about earlier.
What are consumers doing?
Are they spending or are they not?
Lululemon.
So this is another one that I need to caveat that to me a year, it doesn't tell the whole
story.
I think they do beat.
I think, you know, whatever momentum comes out of this proxy fight and the new CEO, I
think there will be encouragement. I worry about this company long-term as far as getting its mojo
back. But I think for 2026, there are probably vibes go its way. I'm a lot less worried than
Lou, but I do agree that I think Lululemon beats over the course of the next year. Now,
there have been a lot of macro changes that have impacted them, both in terms of competition and
fashion trends. But there is no doubt in my mind that Lululemon can work out their merchandising
strategy. And I don't think that their brand has deteriorated to the point where it hurts their
sales. Lululemon stock is down 45% over the past year. I think that would have been a shocker
coming into the year. We'll see if there's some value there. 15 times earnings. I don't know.
Is that a value or a value trap? We'll have to see. That'll be a fun one to talk about.
Along the same lines, Emily, is Nike going to make a comeback? This is almost the same story,
but just a different brand. It is to an extent, and I have different answers here. I think Nike
loses to the market, my concern with Nike is I actually don't see any desire to innovate
to the extent that they need to, to edge out the competition. And when I see companies like
On Holdings just continuing to eat Nike's own lunch, I get really worried about the long-term
viability of the brand. Yeah. And look, it's just a different market. It's so much more of
a crowded market. To me, I think the company can be fine and the stock can not be fine.
And so I'm loose, too.
I think that this is just running to stand still, so to speak.
It's wild to think that Nike has become a little bit like Under Armour for us.
When we shop for gear, for the kids especially, that's Nike's where you find good deals.
That's a tough spot to be in if you're in the consumer space.
All right, let's go to AI, robotics, electric vehicles, autonomy, whatever you want them to be.
Emily, is Tesla going to beat the market or lose to the market in 2026?
Okay. This is where the timeframe catches up to me here, because here's what I'll say about
anybody who's investing in Tesla. You're not doing so because you think it's going to do well
in 2026. You're doing so because you think a decade, two decades, 50, a hundred years from
now, Tesla's going to continue to be an innovator that is leading the way in whatever it may be,
robotics, cars, you name it. So I actually have Tesla losing to the market over the course of
2026. And the reason is pretty obvious. In my opinion, we've seen a decline in demand for
electric vehicles. A lot of tax credits have rolled over. There's a lot of stiff competition
from international sales, especially lots of near-term headwinds for Tesla. But does that
change anything for the long-term investor? Probably not. Spot on. I don't have much to add.
Tesla, there's a lot of headwinds for this year, but I don't think that affects the bull case at
all. So I am losing too. Are either of the two of you going to be in a robo-taxi with no safety
driver in 2026? No. Personally, probably not. That's the theory though, is that they're supposed
to be doing that. Well, it's supposed to be by the end of this year, but. Well, 2027 is always
just around the corner. It is. Next year is always just around the corner for Tesla. All right.
Alphabet, this was the surprise one that beat the market in 2025. Lou, is it going to do the same in
2026? This is kind of similar to NVIDIA for me. I think that they are a leader and I think they
will remain a leader. And so I'm going to have them beating, but I don't think it's going to
be a wow beat. I think a lot of that catch up was this year, but I don't think advertising or
anything they're doing is going to fall off a cliff. And I do think that they're a pretty good
bet to just beat what I think could be a boring market in 26. I completely disagree. And I love
that. I have a little bit losing to the market because I do think that advertising risks falling
off a cliff in 2026. Now, they've been heavily investing in Gemini and their own AI ambitions,
which is important, but what they're doing is fighting to retain the three quarters of their
revenue that comes from advertising. They need that to succeed and they need no competition to
take even at the margin, a portion of their ad sales. And I have a lot of reasons to believe
that in terms of the ad revenue that's going to be headed towards Alphabet in 2026, it's going to
be less than what it was in 2025. Emily, does that extend over to a company like Meta too?
Certainly does.
And Meta, I will say, the difference between the Alphabet and the Metas of the world is
that Meta has better click-through rate, ROI, for an advertiser than a lot of Alphabet platforms.
Withholding YouTube, that's the wild card, in my opinion.
We don't have a lot of data about how well ads convert on YouTube.
You have to imagine pretty darn well, considering the performance of Alphabet.
But that could be the saving grace here.
I have to throw in one of the most talked about stocks on the market,
trading for 111 times sales.
Emily, will Palantir beat the market this year?
Well, what a read.
You have to say that right before I'm about to tell you
that I do think Palantir is going to beat the market.
And my reasoning is not sophisticated.
It's not based off the fact that I think
it should be trading for 200 times sales.
It's that I see no fundamental changes
in their core client base and government spending
over the course of the next year.
I have no reason to believe
that there'd be a re-rating on the stock.
and the near term. The vibes will remain high. The vibes are high. I think Emily has the right
answer there. And I just still can't get my head around it. So I have lose just because I just,
on all the history of me looking at stocks, I don't think there is a valuation that was harder
for me to understand. And so I'm just going to assume that it's not sustainable. Although,
as Emily says, I don't know what's changing. Yeah. Historically buying stocks at a hundred
time sales doesn't work out well. It has for Palantir's investors. So it has confused me.
And hopefully for them, I will be wrong again in 2026. Let's go to another popular company.
I want to give you a couple of stats here about Apple. Over the last three years,
the revenue has grown at a compound annual growth rate of 1.8%. Their price to earnings multiple
is 36. And yet over that period of time, three years, their stock is up 110%.
Lou, are they going to continue their market beating ways?
I think they will. And again, I don't think it's going to be like a crazy great year,
but I do think that they are finally sort of getting AI right, which is let's just get
someone's AI on our phones. And I do think that will help support maybe not this huge super cycle,
but continued sales. Apple is the definition of fine. What an inspiring call from Lou.
I wish I had more. I mean, I wish I knew what the next big thing was, but I think Apple just
will continue to be Apple. That's the safest prediction I'll make. Fair enough. Emily.
I completely agree with Lou. I think Apple beats the market. Maybe it's a bit higher conviction
than Lou has though. If I don't think Nvidia is going to be the largest company in a year,
I think it's probably going to be Apple. And for all the reasons Lou mentioned, Apple,
I think out of all the Mac seven companies is the most disciplined with its capital management.
They haven't over-invested in AI, but they also haven't been sitting on their hands with regards
to it. The upgrade cycle is still really strong for this company and they're not heavily dependent
upon services or advertising more so than they're in hardware. And I think it's a lot easier to
motivate consumers to upgrade even in the environment we're operating in, as opposed to
heavily relying upon software. Yeah. I may help Apple in 2026, a computer, a new iPhone, probably
on my list at some point in the year. Lou, what about Amazon next year? Again, I have this as a
beat. In part, Travis, because you made us even up our beats and misses, and this was kind of the
one I was on the fence about. So I will say I'm kind of on the fence. Amazon has a lot of CapEx
in a lot of their business, and they have a lot of low margin. But AWS is just AWS, and I think
that's enough to drive this truck forward. I also have Amazon as a beat. I'm not doubting
myself as I think about it. The logic at the time when I want to consider this is Amazon is well
positioned regardless of the market environment we're operating in. AWS does generate a sizable
portion of their operating income. That's enterprise spending. Consumers generally go
to Amazon for low-cost goods when they're shipping or changing where they shop. Amazon still gets a
big portion of that. I do have some concerns for Amazon in regards to their CapEx, though.
and a muted free cash flow year could be bad for them.
Yeah, they also have a huge advertising business
that accounts for a vast majority of the profitability
for the retail business.
Yes, around 10% of sales
and that retail business is low margin to begin with.
So the margin that's coming from ad placements
is good for them.
But I will say those are ad placements
that I think, again, convert really well
for the people who are advertising on amazon.com
and other platforms that I see less existential threat from
versus the search engines.
All right, Emily, are you seeing value
in Airbnb or will this continue to be a market loser? I unfortunately view it as a market loser
over the next year. I do hope that I'm wrong, but there's a couple of headwinds that I have
some skepticism built in for Airbnb. They changed their policy in regards to upfront payments for a
lot of their member base. So they get this strong, high margin interest income on revenue that they
collect at the time of booking, even if they end up having to give that back to the person in case
cancellations or refunds. And that margin has been really profitable for them. Interest rates
are coming down, which is hurtful, but they also changed that policy. So less people are paying
upfront, which also impacts some of their high margin revenue. I don't see any other massive
tailwinds here that would cause their sales to otherwise be market beating. And I don't know
where they're going to make up for the margin on that. So in my mind, I think it's a great company
and probably fine as an investment, but I don't view it as a market beater in the next 12 months.
Yeah, I'll admit I'm biased because I just came from an Airbnb and I had all of the eye
rolls that you get when you're at an Airbnb, just all the little things.
But I think Emily said it best.
There's another one of these just love the company, love the business, but I don't know
where market beating growth comes from.
So I had them losing to the market.
When we come back, we are going to talk about some more stocks on our radar.
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please check out our show notes. One of the things I wanted to bring up quickly here at the end
is commodities. This has been a hot topic over the past month. Gold outperformed the S&P 500
this year. Emily, how are you thinking about commodities going into 2026?
I'm not thinking about commodities in 2026. And maybe that's a hot take, but I think it's a
mistake to assume that just because a commodity moves, it's a recession indicator, right? The
classic example is the inverted yield curve, which is what predicted 10 of the last three
recessions. I mean, there's so many different factors that impact commodity pricing. Some
people may view gold as a safe haven, but silver and other commodities obviously have industrial
usage. Demand for gold was driven largely by central banks recently. So there's so many
different factors here, and I don't view them as investment so much as for an individual investor,
a panic button in a lot of places, even though core demand is driven by lots of other factors.
So when I look at the actual track record, which is episodic at best and misleading at worst,
it's not something that makes me want to pay attention. Yeah, agreed. I think if anything,
it's geopolitical and we don't have to get into that now. And it doesn't mean the end of the
world. It doesn't mean the end of the dollar. One piece of advice, though, I don't know if it'll
continue or not. But if you do think so, just buy the metals, buy the ETFs. I've seen so many
people saying it's time to buy the miners. Mining is really, really hard and mining stocks
traditionally have not gone well. Please, please do your homework. Just buy an ETF with the metal
if you believe in the metal. Don't just start buying penny stock copper mines or silver mines,
please. Yeah, this is a much more complicated area than a lot of people think. And there's
people that spend their entire lives just looking at metals, whether it's gold, silver.
So yeah, maybe not something for everyone to just jump in, but definitely something
to watch in 2026.
We like to end the show with stocks on our radar, and I'm going to give you some thoughts.
Lou, you are up first.
What's on your radar this week?
All right, Travis.
One of the stocks I find most intriguing heading into 2026 is Honeywell, ticker HON.
For a while now, this has been a great group of businesses that somehow haven't worked
together as far as stock gains.
Times are changing.
Honeywell has already split off its advanced materials business. It's now Solace, I think it
is, that's already trading publicly. This year, 2026, they will separate the remaining businesses,
aerospace and automation, into two independent companies. These are all very interesting
businesses on their own. I'm kind of hoping, thinking we might see something similar to what
happened at GE, another multi-year disappointing conglomerate, split itself in three. We saw the
strength of these businesses and the parts have all kind of taken off. Honeywell and its many
pieces, I'm really watching in 2026. Really, really intrigued. If I have to pick one, Solstice,
Honeywell Automation, and Honeywell Aerospace, which one should I be looking at? You know,
we talked about robotics before. The automation business is a lot of the kind of tools behind
that. That and Aerospace are probably the two that I might want to add to my portfolio one day.
Emily, what's on your radar?
Okay, I know this is going to be a hard sell for you, Travis, but hear me out.
NovoNordisk, the ticker NVO, is on my radar.
This is the Danish drug maker who's best known for making Ozempic and Wagovi.
And there's so much skepticism on this company right now.
A lot of it earned, but I think at this point has become entirely overdone.
They are losing to Eli Lilly in the interim, and there's issues around reimbursement, obviously really expensive.
but I do think that Novo Nordisk has one of the most effective methods of weight loss on the
market today with a strong pipeline of new drugs and a lot of potential for your treatments
associated with simaglutide, which it mostly still has on our patent. So I think there's
opportunity left in front of this company that investors are just writing off.
GLP-1s are about half of Novo Nordisk's revenue. As more and more of these products hit the market,
we've got the oral product coming. It just seems like there's more and more competition. Is that
a worry that both sales growth and also margins are going to be impacted negatively?
That's certainly what the market is pricing in today.
But I will say, the reason why those concerns exist around competition and pricing is because demand is so high.
There are so many people that can benefit from these drugs that don't have access to them.
So prices should and rightfully will come down.
But I still think demand will be there for Nova Nordisk.
Emily, I'm sorry, but with Honeywell getting at least in, you know, splitting off that automation business,
I'll give Lou the nod here, but I'll at least take a look at Nova Nordisk.
An interesting space for 2026.
That's all the time that we have.
Thanks to Emily and Lou and Bart Behind the Glass.
I'm Travis William.
Thanks for listening to Motley Fool Monday.
