Motley Fool Hidden Gems Investing - Big Tech Returns and Big Game Surprises
Episode Date: February 1, 2019Amazon fails to impress Wall Street. Microsoft reports some cloudy returns. And Facebook connects. Analysts Andy Cross, Ron Gross, and Jason Moser discuss these stories and dig into the latest from Ap...ple, eBay, MasterCard, PayPal, Tesla, and Visa. Plus, Wall Street Journal editor Nat Ives talks about the business of Super Bowl marketing. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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Chris Hill, joining me in studio, senior analyst Jason Moser, Andy Cross, and Ron Gross.
Good to see you, as always, gentlemen.
Hey, guys. How are you doing?
We've got earnings from some of the biggest companies out there.
we will dig into the business of Super Bowl ads. And as always, we'll give you an inside
look at the stocks on our radar. But we begin this week with the big macro. On Friday, the
Commerce Department reported 304,000 jobs added in January. On Wednesday, Ron, Fed Chief
Jerome Powell said the Federal Reserve was taking a patient approach to raising rates
this year. So, you tell me, which one is a bigger deal for investors?
Well, I tell you, Chris, it's all related. But the statements in action by the Fed are
much more important. Not only does it look like they've adopted a neutral stance with
respect to rising interest rates, but it looks like actually there's a slight bias in the
futures market to a rate cut. Don't hang your hat on it, however. But listen, when you get
low interest rates, solid GDP, low unemployment, and tame inflation all at the same time, you
take it and you run with it, because it doesn't happen all the time.
Yeah, you kind of figure we may have to revisit at least a thesis or two on the banking side,
because we've been talking a lot about how the interest rate environment we've been expecting
would potentially offer these banks a bit more of an opportunity at profitability. But if rates are
going to hang where they are, or perhaps even go down, which is kind of amazing to think about
still, that may delay a little bit of what these banks may be able to do.
I think Ron's right with the Fed being a little bit more important here. But that employment
number was pretty impressive. I mean, wages increased more than 3% for the sixth consecutive
month now. And the employment participation rate is its highest since 2013. So, the employment
picture in the U.S. continues to be pretty bullish. Because of that labor participation rate,
you actually saw unemployment tick up a bit. And that U6 rate ticked up quite a bit, actually.
There might have been some of the shutdown in there. They say they accounted for it. I'm not
so sure they did. But people coming back to the labor force is encouraging. That's right.
Alright, let's get to some of the big earnings this week. The web services business
grew 45%, but Wall Street seemed otherwise unimpressed with Amazon's fourth quarter report
and shares falling a bit on Friday, Jason.
Wall Street is very hard to please sometimes, Chris.
A fickle bunch.
We see it time and time again, right? So, the reason I think Wall Street is perhaps
proceeding with a little bit of caution, the important thing to remember with Amazon is
the metric that ultimately matters for this business, and it's simple, top-line revenue.
that is the fuel that really keeps this engine humming. And so, from that perspective,
the company is performing well. Now, I think first quarter projections for management were perhaps a
little bit lighter than what Wall Street was expecting. And when you have that, along with
the fact that now we're expecting them to hit another stage of investing in the business to
build out this infrastructure, it's understandable if there's maybe a little bit of trepidation out
there. But this is the same great business that we knew just even a week ago as well.
Perhaps there are some concerns there in regard to India. They've been making a lot of investments
there recently, but there were some changes to the e-commerce legislation there, essentially
tantamount to antitrust concerns that might make it a little bit more difficult for not only Amazon,
but Flipkart as well, which is obviously owned by Walmart. All in all, though, it's still the
same business, taking that same long-term approach. Amazon Web Services, as you mentioned,
doing really well. Trailing 12-month sales now of almost $26 billion. Operating income for the
quarter up 57%. It's really just a matter of, are you willing to take that patient,
long-term approach with this company? I recommend that you do. I know I am.
Yeah. And let's not forget, all those investments take a chunk out of the bottom line. So, while
they're profitable to the tune of a few billion dollars, they could be significantly more
profitable if they turn that kind of investment spigot off. They choose to build for the future.
I think that's a smart move. Bezos, I think, knows what he's doing. He's not really that
concerned about quarterly profits, which I like. But they could be more profitable if they wanted
to be right now, but they're playing the long game. And it's interesting to see how Apple and
Amazon are sort of coming to this crossroads here. Apple's always done such a good job of
making money from selling the devices. Now they're trying to make money on us using those devices.
Amazon's philosophy has always been, we're going to make money from you using our devices,
not really from buying the devices.
So, we're seeing these two businesses hit a little bit of a different point of the strategy
at this stage in their lives.
This week, Facebook shares had their biggest post-earnings gain in three years.
Facebook up 12% on Thursday after a fourth quarter profit came in higher than expected, Andy.
Ooh, and they needed it.
It was a tough year for 2018 for Facebook.
but it was really the quarter that Mark Zuckerberg really needed.
Revenue is up 30% to just shy of $17 billion.
Now, the growth rate actually was trending down over the past couple of quarters,
but still, mobile ad revenue is up 36%.
That is now 93% of total ad revenue.
Very interesting, active revenue per user at $7.37.
That's up 19% year over year.
So, 7 million advertisers across the platform.
The message for me is that Facebook is still relevant, even though with 2.3 billion users
on the platform, monthly active users on the platform, so it's still relevant.
Obviously, they have some challenges from privacy issues, just trust issues, but a lot
of advertising flocking to get access to those billion users on a monthly basis continues
to show impressive growth on the top line for Facebook.
Yeah, really in line with what we've been saying for a while, that all these concerns
aside, it's really difficult to imagine an investor not making money in this stock simply
because of the size of the business and the size of its user base. And I found this really
interesting to where they're going to essentially stop reporting all of this granular user data
and just start talking about users as a family, right, with Instagram and WhatsApp and Messenger
and Facebook. I think it's a bit of a cop-out, honestly, because we're not going to really
get clarity as to how monetizable WhatsApp is. It sure feels like they paid way too much
for that business, and we're never really going to find out if they're generating the
return on it. But, I mean, they can do that, and you've got to at least admire that.
Microsoft's second quarter profits came in higher than expected, but shares falling
a bit this week due to concerns over Microsoft's cloud business slowing down. Ron, when we
talk about Microsoft, it's always about the cloud. What's happening here?
This is not their best quarter, but I'm a Microsoft bull. Two things going on here.
As you said, cloud business growth slowing down, but still up 76% for the quarter.
But as that business gets larger, just the way the math works, the growth is kind of going to slow down.
It's almost inevitable, but it's still a very strong business.
The other thing that investors were focused on is that the Windows operating system business was troubled
due to the shortage of computer chips out there, largely because of Intel.
or Intel, not really anticipating the proper growth and putting production in place to meet
that demand. So, supplies of chips was lacking. That hurt the business. That had a flow-through
effect. But still, I think this is an overall strong quarter. I wouldn't be surprised to see
that shortfall of chips continue into the first half of 2019. But again, short-term problem,
I think. Business continues to execute such, and Adela has done a great job turning this
into a cloud business. Well, and when we just look at the stocks
and we talk about the big tech stocks and pulling back from their highs, Microsoft is
really not in the same boat as the others that we've been talking about. You look at
Facebook, you look at Amazon, Apple, which we'll talk about in a second. I mean, those
stocks are down double-digits, 20%, 25% from their highs. Microsoft is still pretty close
to its 52-week high. Yeah, up 8% over the last year,
is, hey, that's pretty good. And as you said, didn't nearly take the hit as the others.
And it's a fundamentally sound business with strong profits and a strong balance sheet.
Shares of Apple down from its 52-week high, but bouncing back this week after
first quarter results came in higher than expected. Andy, it seems like, not that we
are market timers here at The Motley Fool, but when they came out earlier in January
with their warning and the stock fell, that looked like, in hindsight, a really good time
to buy shares about that. You know, I think so. Same thing we saw
with Facebook. A little bit of, wow, it could have been a lot worse, or maybe investors were
expecting. Now, both revenues and operating profits were down for the holiday period for
the first time in more than a decade. But, you know, it's still an amazing business. And the
real struggle with what they're having now with the iPhone business is slowing. And Tim Cook wants
you to really think now, we are building a service business over at Apple and focusing more on the
services, which were revenues up 19% this quarter. So, services, good. China concerns,
iPhone concerns, not so good at Apple. Am I the only one who looks at these
comments from Cook? And as you touched on this as well, Jason, they're moving maybe not away
from the iPhone, but they're trying to really build up the services business so it becomes
more important to the bottom line. And because of that, I don't see how Apple avoids getting into
video programming in a much bigger way than they are right now. Whether that is, they
make a bid for live sports, they start getting into their own type of movie production in
a bigger way, in the way that we've seen with Amazon and Netflix. I don't know how they
have all that cash. And don't put it to use, because if you really want to ramp up your
services, that could be a key piece to it. They are putting together video content
as we speak, so that is something that is going to appear more and more on their platform.
I don't know that I necessarily look at that as the biggest market opportunity out there
for them today. When I think about a services business in relation to Apple, I like payments,
I think Apple Pay has a lot of potential. Apple Pay yielded 1.8 billion transactions,
more than double from a year ago this quarter. So, I think if they can continue to build
out Apple Pay, cases to use it, communicate with merchants why they need to be using it.
And then in healthcare. Tim Cook, he keeps talking about how he believes that we'll look
back at Apple decades from now and feel that the biggest impact they made was in the healthcare
space that's perhaps the biggest market opportunity out there, when you think about it.
And so, they're making steps into that space, the partnership with Aetna. We know that telemedicine
is taking off, there's potential there for them in that regard as well. So, video, sure,
but it is going to be a collection of things, for sure.
Coming up, the war on cash continues. And based on some of the earnings reports this week,
it's really not looking that good for cash. Stay right here. You're listening to Motley Fool Money.
Welcome back to Motley Fool Money. Chris Hill here in studio with Jason Moser, Andy Cross,
and Ron Gross. Visa and MasterCard, both out with quarterly reports this week.
solid reports from both, Andy, but investors seemed more impressed by MasterCard.
It was a better quarter, Chris. MasterCard revenues were up 15% versus, and payment volumes,
gross dollar volumes on their transactions were up 14%, a little bit lower for Visa. I think the
impressive growth that MasterCard continues to exhibit around the globe warranted a little bit
better reaction from investors. They saw that when you just think about the amount of transactions
and dollar volumes going across the MasterCard platform, as well as Visa. MasterCard just seems
to be a little bit on the higher growth side. They bought back a lot of stock during the
quarter, and they bought back more stock during January. So, it's exceptionally profitable,
growing very fast. MasterCard continues to be the winner in that space.
EBay has been under fire from activist investors, but EBay's fourth quarter profits and revenue
came in higher than expected. And Ron, I like how CEO Devin Wenig said on the conference call,
Basically, I'm not taking any questions from you about the activists.
Yeah, it's interesting. But yet, the activism does seem to be having an effect.
Elliott Management, two of the things they suggested were a dividend and an accelerated
buyback plan. And lo and behold, what do we have here? We've got eBay paying a dividend
for the first time after 24 years, and adding $4 billion to their buyback program. So, some
shareholder-friendly action there. And I'm OK with it, because this is not necessarily
a high-growth company. We're seeing revenue up about 6%, StubHub revenue up 2%. They added
about 2 million customers, and now they're at 179 million. So, it's not a go-go growth
company like it used to be. They can afford to return some capital to shareholders.
Do you think that there was a stretch of time, a good stretch of time over the last,
I would say 20-25 years, where paying a dividend was in some ways a stigma. And we talked about
on this show eight years or so ago, a big question about Apple was, oh, are they going
to pay a dividend? Is that going to do something to their growth prospects? eBay comes of age
in the dot-com era, they pay a dividend, nobody bats an eye. It really does seem like this
is no longer a problem. Well, it's a capital allocation decision,
and it's on a case-by-case basis whether that's a good decision or not. In this case, they
can afford to do that because they don't really need the cash to plow back into the business.
In fact, they're thinking about maybe jettisoning StubHub and Classifieds and doing things
like that to create value based on what the activists are saying.
For the third time in less than two years, Tesla has a new chief financial officer.
The revolving door in the C-suite overshadowed the fact that Tesla posted another quarterly
profit pushing shares higher this week, Andy. Chris, you got that right, overshadowed
a really good quarter with deliveries at almost $91,000 up 205% from last quarter, revenue
at $7.2 billion up 120% and profitable. So, that quarter for Tesla was really pretty impressive.
Unfortunately, the retirement of the CFO and now hiring as the CFO, Zach Kirkhorn, who
at 34 will be one of the youngest CFOs, got a lot of the attention. But the quarter that
they announced represents a pretty continuing process of Tesla continuing to be more and
more relevant and offer products that people want. And they gave some really nice color
around Model Y and Tesla Semi coming out in the next year or two.
We've talked before, Jason, about Kevin Plank, the CEO at Under Armour, and the challenges
he's faced over the last few years in terms of keeping an executive team around him. It
really does seem like the mantle has been passed to Elon Musk, because Reuters had a
story out this week that wasn't even a story, it was really just a list of all of the executive
turnover at Tesla over the last couple of years.
I mean, it's a valid concern, and it's one of the main reasons why we had Under Armour
on hold in Million Dollar Portfolio for a while. You need to see signs that there is
a culture there that people want to be a part of, right? And so, it was very reassuring
to see, actually, that Under Armour recently hired a new chief culture officer, because
it seems like Plank is really taking this seriously. Perhaps Elon Musk could take a
couple of notes from what Kevin Plank's been doing.
Ain't going to happen.
Probably not.
Shares of PayPal holdings down a bit this week after fourth quarter profits fell 6%.
Jason, they're ramping up the spending. That's hitting their margins a little bit. I don't
know. I'm a shareholder of this company. I'm good with this report.
I am a shareholder as well, and I agree. I'm good with the report. The stock sold off a
little bit based on the expectations game. But you have to completely ignore that. The
fundamentals of this business are as strong as ever. We're talking about Facebook and
how scale is such a competitive advantage. Let's talk some big numbers here for PayPal.
Total payment volume for the year of $578 billion, up 26%. Total transactions for the
year, $9.9 billion, up 27%. They now have 267 million total active accounts. Mobile
total payments volume clocked in at $67 billion for the quarter. Venmo is now driving this
business. They're at a $200 million run rate. There are a lot of things going on with this
business, and they are all good. So, I think if you're a shareholder, you've got to look
at this quarter and feel very encouraged.
Two things there. First, as someone who uses Venmo to send money to my college kid, we've
said this before about things like Costco and Amazon Prime, and even Netflix. Like,
hey, if they want to bump up the price, I'll pay it. Venmo has some room there. If they want to
start raising prices in terms of some of their transaction fees, because they're tiny.
That's a really good point. I mean, for the longest time, there were no transaction fees.
And really, the fees that they've introduced are all based around that instant funding
option as well. And there is risk that PayPal takes on, that Venmo takes on with that option.
But the more data they get on those transactions, the more mitigated that risk becomes.
For all of the innovation that we've seen in the payment industry with PayPal,
with Venmo, with Square, with all these others, am I wrong in thinking that Visa and MasterCard
have, I hesitate to use the word unassailable, Andy, but it seems like the moats that those
two businesses have built are incredible. They're extensive, Chris. I mean,
that's one reason also why they have returns on equity and capital north of 50% with profit
margins, some of the highest in the S&P 500. So, you just think about the ability for them
to be able to continue to take a little bit of a lick off the ice cream cone. Every transaction
continues to grow and grow. That's just really good for MasterCard. Their need to continue to
reinvest back into that business is really small, hence why they buy back so much stock over the
years. And to come back full circle to eBay and activism, the PayPal discussion reminded me that
And it was Carl Icahn, back in the day, that pushed to have PayPal spun off of eBay, and
what a tremendous value creation that was.
Let me just take a minute here and personally thank Carl. I really appreciate that.
I was just going to say, do Jason and I need to send him a box of chocolate?
Jason Moser, Andy Cross, Ron Gross, guys, we'll see you later in the show.
What's the best part of the Super Bowl? It's the commercials. We'll dig into those next
with Wall Street Journal editor Nat Ives.
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Welcome back to Motley Fool Money.
I'm Chris Hill.
On Sunday night, the LA Rams play the New England Patriots in Super Bowl 53
with over 100 million people across America expected to watch the game.
Companies looking to promote their products and services to that audience will pay around $5.2 million for 30 seconds of airtime.
Here to help us make sense of it all is Nat Ives, the editor of CMO Today, the marketing and media newsletter of The Wall Street Journal.
He joins me now from the Journal's newsroom. Nat, thanks for being here.
My pleasure.
This is the most watched TV program of the year, and it has been for decades.
Most of us watch the commercials for fun. You do this for a living.
When you watch Super Bowl commercials, what are you watching for?
Honestly, anything that surprises me would make me happy.
You know, I think I might be a little bit jaded as one who watches for a living.
They begin to show certain patterns that take some of the fun out of it.
But a big laugh or a stirring moment is really what you want to see as a consumer.
And I suppose if I was a marketer, I would also want to see a compelling sales pitch.
I'm glad you mentioned the sales pitch because there are ads that I think we all enjoy just for fun, but it doesn't mean we're necessarily going to rush out and buy that product. How do Super Bowl advertisers define success?
Unfortunately, I think a lot of them define success based on the pop it gets in the press and online and YouTube views in the days surrounding the event. Unfortunately, that wears off very quickly by the Wednesday after the game.
nobody wants to talk about any of this anymore. And it's not always evident that you've gotten
your money's worth in terms of sales lift. It depends on what your goals are, of course. If
you're a brand that nobody's heard of and you need to let everybody in the country know all at once,
this might be the right way to do it. You're going to need some follow-up marketing, of course,
but it's a nice way to say hello and announce yourself. If you're a brand everybody knows and
you need to fend off upstarts, perhaps it's another way to maintain your position. But
But if you're a brand that is just introducing a funny joke and getting a week's worth of PR
out of it, you could be rightly asking yourself, did I achieve incremental sales by spending that
$5.2 million? I want to get to some specific
companies in a minute. But first, are there one or two commercials that we should keep our eyes out
for? The ones that I've seen so far are not blowing me away. I like Bud's ad about the
wind power that it uses. I weirdly like Michelob Ultra Pure Gold's Asmer ad. I should say ASMR.
This is Zoe Kravitz whispering into a microphone for 30 seconds. It's going to stand out in an
otherwise very noisy day. A lot of the other ones are, you know, commercials I wouldn't be
surprised to see any other day of the week. So, I was looking at a PowerPoint that the
Wall Street Journal had put together about advertising on the Super Bowl, and one of the
things that struck me was, over the last, I think it's 25 years, Anheuser-Busch, Pepsi, General
Motors, Coca-Cola, they're among the big public companies who have spent the most amount of money
on airtime. These are also incredibly well-known brands, particularly in the case of Budweiser,
Pepsi, and Coke. Do you think that that is money well spent?
You know, it takes a lot more research than I personally have done to authoritatively answer
that. But I would say in the case of AB, for example, they really are defending their position
as America's brewer.
They're advertising both their established brands, Bud and Bud Light,
and regularly rotating through new brands,
including a hard seltzer this year.
It's like alcoholic sparkling water that they're trying to get off the ground.
So I think that they've got their purpose,
and that's why they're going to have eight and a half minutes in the game this year,
which is incredible.
For the first time in over a decade,
Coca-Cola is not advertising during the game itself.
I was a little surprised by this, in part because of their history of spending during the Super Bowl,
but also the game is in Atlanta.
That's ground zero for Coca-Cola.
Why aren't they advertising during this game?
Maybe Coca-Cola figured out a better way, they thought, to use their message and timing.
They've got this Unity ad that says, you know, he disagrees, she disagrees, but they both drink Coke.
They're running it right before the national anthem.
So, it's a really fitting spot that actually is still going to have very high tune-in,
probably costs less than the very next spot that's going to run in the game, and they'll
see what they get out of it.
I support the idea of marketers that are usually sitting out once in a while or trying something
different just to see if they can detect an effect.
And if they can't, then maybe they can save themselves $5 million every year.
So, for years, Amazon did not spend a dime on television advertising. And this year,
I think it's going to be one of the biggest spenders during the Super Bowl. Obviously,
CBS, the network that's airing the game this year, is happy about that. Amazon is famous for
the way that they analyze data on their website. I'm a little surprised that they're spending this
much on television advertising just because, as you indicated, it can be a little tricky other
than just sort of measuring buzz in media reports to evaluate how much a television ad is doing for
a particular product. Are you at all surprised at the way that Amazon has jumped into television
advertising? I mean, Amazon is being driven by marketing, not its website, for example,
but it's new consumer electronics product.
It's trying to sell the Alexa and Alexa-powered devices,
and that's why you see Google in the Super Bowl again this year as well.
These guys have a package of electronics they're trying to sell in stores and online,
and they're also trying to become the default, the Coke to the Pepsi in the voice assistant world.
This is a wide-open segment that's probably going to get bigger and bigger and bigger.
So they've obviously made the bet that telling everyone in America that they've got the voice assistant you want is worth it.
Amazon's two and a half minutes in the game this year actually also includes a trailer for its Amazon Prime streaming video service,
which is another highly competitive direct-to-consumer business that, you know, takes a lot of spending both on the content and the marketing to win.
Another big tech company that has a relatively new consumer device is Facebook with their portal device.
Unless I missed something, I don't think Facebook is advertising during the Super Bowl.
And I'm curious how Facebook, particularly in the wake of 2018, which was a year of consistently bad publicity for Facebook, how is Facebook regarded in the advertising community right now?
I mean, their recent ads, to your point, have been for Portal and to say, we're sorry, we're going to do better.
That's what they've been on TV for in 2018.
And they did a lot of Portal ads in the holiday season, so I wouldn't have been particularly surprised to see them advertising in the Super Bowl here.
That they're not may reflect some business considerations.
It may reflect, now that the holiday season is over, the calculation that it's better to get out of the spotlight for a second and try to clear up their brand.
I mentioned at the top that the price of 30 seconds of ad time during the game
is $5.2 million. If it's higher than last year, it is only incrementally higher. And
I'm curious if you have any insight into CBS, which, obviously, they're making a lot of
money off this game. They're charging $5.2 million for 30 seconds. But they've also turned
down some advertising. And most famously, there was a medical marijuana company that wanted to
buy a 30-second ad, and CBS turned them down. Why is that?
CBS and the NFL both are going to be very careful with their image and the image of the Super Bowl.
This is considered a secular holiday. This is considered a game for the entire country to watch.
You're not going to find anything that's terribly risque or off-color in this year's game. I mean,
there's certainly ads that have aired in decades past that we would probably consider offensive
now and would generate a lot of media coverage. But you're not going to see weed in any form
advertised in an NFL property anytime soon. They just, the NFL, got around to letting liquor into
NFL games. And this year, even liquor is not allowed in the Super Bowl. So cannabis, I think,
is beyond the pale for these guys. They're trying to remain looking as squeaky clean
as they can. And the NFL, too, has plenty of controversy to deal with. They don't need
new headaches.
All right, last question, then I'll let you go. Separate from the Super Bowl, just when
it comes to advertising writ large in 2019, what is something that you're watching this
year? It can be a trend, it can be a particular company. What is something that is on your
radar in the advertising and marketing industry?
I'm always keeping an eye on what the balance is between ad-supported media and media that,
one way or another, lets consumers stay away from advertising.
So, for example, Netflix versus ad-supported Hulu versus an ad-free version of YouTube.
There are all kinds of new streaming services coming along, and of course there are the ad blockers online.
And the ability of marketers to reach consumers in any sort of normal way, recognizable way, is being constrained.
So seeing what channels remain and what new ones come along is fascinating.
Because everything else outside of that is asking a completely different skill set from marketers,
and that's creating content that people actually want to see.
If you want to know which businesses are making headlines for their marketing spends, you can follow Nat Ives on Twitter.
You can also sign up for CMO Today.
It is the free email newsletter about media and marketing from The Wall Street Journal.
Nat, I know it's a busy week, so thanks for taking a few minutes, and enjoy the game.
Thanks for having me. You too.
Coming up, we'll give you an inside look at the stocks on our radar.
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Chris Hill here in studio once again with Jason Moser, Andy Cross, and Ron Gross.
Our email address is radio at fool.com. And with the big game on Sunday, this is a very
timely email from Bill Davis. He writes, there was a great New York Times article this week
about the huge growth coming in sports gambling based on recent legal changes and attitudes
and outlooks in the sports culture. Can you talk some about this expanding market opportunity
and maybe suggest a basket of stocks in this area? Jason, we've talked about the war on
cash basket, the health and wellness basket? Is there a sports gambling basket?
Well, OK, I want to approach this from the perspective, I'm not a big gambler,
so it's hard for me to actually see where the competitive advantage lies in any one
particular entity. Where I do feel like there is an advantage is, no matter what,
that money's got to go from point A to point B. And so, I've talked often about how, with this
move, I think that all of these payments providers have an opportunity to make some money from this
market. So, the war on cash baskets certainly applies there to a degree. But I'm also going
to push Bill over to our recent episode of Industry Focus. January 15th, Nick and Asit
did a whole show on casino stocks and sports gambling. It's like an hour long, and they
really dug into a lot of that stuff. So, I would encourage him to go back there, listen
to the January 15th episode of Industry Focus.
Bill, because I care about you and our listeners, I did a little research here. These are not
recommendations, but the main players here you want to check out, The Stars Group, William Hill,
Boyd Gaming, and if you're a fan of the FanDuel-type companies, Paddy Power Betfair out of Britain
actually acquired FanDuel, so that would be a way to play that.
William Hill, no relation. No relation, no.
Before we get to the stocks on our radar, any prop bets for the game of interest to you guys?
because the one that always gets me is the over-under on the singing of the national anthem.
I feel like, like you, Jason, I'm not a big gambler, but I look at that and think,
gosh, that seems like the easiest thing in the world to fix.
Yeah, and it's usually really great fodder for The Stern Show that following Monday,
because they always have fun with that, and then juxtaposing it with Robin's efforts
in the national anthem one time ago. It's funny stuff. You can bet this year,
and most years, on the color of Gatorade that will be poured over the winning team's coach.
Seems like you could get a little inside info on that, too.
Absolutely.
I'm happy to share some news.
It is really the best kind of news.
Earlier this week, our friend and colleague Matt Argersinger became a father.
His wife gave birth to a healthy baby boy,
and I'm sure Matt did a great job standing next to her in the hospital while she did all the work.
Everyone's doing well.
We could not be happier, in part because all of us are on this table.
and also behind the glass. We are all fathers. And so, we all know just how sleep-deprived
Matt's going to be for the next year or so. So, with that in mind, we've got a very special
stocks on our radar this week. It is stocks for baby Argersinger. Not that Matt is not
a great investor. He is. But we're going to offer up some ideas for this baby boy.
And we'll be conservative in our timeline. Because look, you know what this kid has ahead
of him, many more decades of investing than we have, so we'll put together some ideas
for when he turns 20 years old. So, radar stocks for 2039. Steve Broido is not only
going to suggest a stock of his own, but he's going to pick one for the baby to double-dot,
so we're going to have a five-stock portfolio. Ron, you're up first.
Alright, if little baby Argersinger is going to be a snappy dresser like his dad,
I've got to go back to Carter's. CRI, the leading manufacturer of children's clothing
in the U.S. under names like Carter's and Oshkosh Begosh. As I said, they are the dominant
player here. They've performed well over multiple market cycles, 2.2% dividend yields,
buy back a ton of stock. They're digesting the Toys R Us bankruptcy, and there are some
China trade issues here. So, the stock has suffered, but that makes it awfully cheap.
Steve, question about Carter's?
I know Carter's stores. Is Carter's merchandise available outside of Carter's stores?
They make specialty collections for folks like Target, Walmart. They have a specialty
collection for Amazon. So, you can get them out there.
I'm glad you knew the answer to that.
Jason Moser.
I was thinking, we probably have a recommendation for Matty and Gene, too.
They're going to have to set that coffee maker on stun, so why not buy a few extra shares of Starbucks?
But for the young man, I'm going to go back to my daughter's portfolio.
The most recent addition for them, Santa brought them a few shares of Square.
And I think that's not a bad pick here, either. You know all about that business. They're
building out the Square Financial Services side now, as they've resubmitted their banking
license application. And I think that's going to be a really neat part of the business once
they build it out. And I'm really encouraged with the things that they're doing. They're
opening up access to capital, new products and services for its customers. I think that'll
help them build up a pretty enviable competitive position over time. So, hey, listen, man,
if you're looking for the ultra-long-term, that probably is a good addition.
Steve, question about Square?
So, I hear the name Square all the time. I still don't really know what they do.
Help me. I know that you swipe your credit card on the little thing. Is that it?
It's like a circle.
That is basically it. It is a hardware company that has developed a very robust
ecosystem behind that hardware, and they help businesses deal with payments, inventory management,
all sorts of things. Andy Cross?
I'm going to stick with the advertising theme for young Mr. Argersinger here and go with
Trade Desk, symbol TTD, one of the most impressive companies I've followed over the past year.
They are the masters at programmatic trading, advertising, matching with clients and ad
impressions. On average, per day, their clients, who are mostly advertising agencies, have
exposure to almost 600 billion ad impressions per day. So, they are really helping drive
the automated programmatic trading, matching up buyers and platforms, publishers, with
ad impressions, and the growth has just been 50% a year for the past year or so. Very profitable,
beautiful balance sheet, and it's a founder run by Jeff Green, who's really impressed me.
So, I like Trade Desk, TTD, for the next 20 years, Chris.
Steve?
Does a company like Trade Desk work with people like Facebook?
Because we talked about that earlier in the show.
No, so Facebook and Twitter, those are kind of closed, walled-off gardens.
They're kind of all on their own.
So, really, Trade Desk is helping all the publishers and ad buyers out there,
outside of some of those walled gardens.
So, that's three stocks for the portfolio.
Steve, you get to essentially pick one to double down on,
and then if you have one of your own, that would be great.
I think Square.
I think they're, I'm hearing the war on cash, and I think that'd be terrific.
And in terms of my stock, I see the future. Ron Gross, it is round, it is filled
with tires, it is Titan International. Coming full circle.
Awesome. I want to go back to something you mentioned, Jason.
TWI. TWI. You mentioned Starbucks.
I was looking at this, and I'm a happy Starbucks shareholder. The market cap of Starbucks is
$85 billion. Whereas, Dunkin' Brands is $5 billion. So, just in terms of growth opportunities,
Matt Argersinger, a proud son of Massachusetts, I kind of feel like maybe that Dunkin' Brands
would be, at least in terms of the next 20 years, a better growth opportunity, because
it doesn't really have the footprint right now, certainly not outside of New England.
Perhaps. But you know, with all of his New England loyalties, I always see a Starbucks
up on his desk.
So, I mean, explain that.
That's fair.
That's fair.
He's going to love watching that game this weekend with his boy.
That's right.
That's going to be great.
That's right.
Hopefully, as Jason said, hopefully he's got a lot of confidence.
All right, Ron Gross, Jason Moser, Andy Cross, guys, thanks for being here.
Thanks, Chris.
That's going to do it for this week's edition of Motley Fool Money.
Our engineer is Steve Broido.
Our producer is Matt Greer.
I'm Chris Hill.
Thanks for listening.
We'll see you next week.
