Motley Fool Hidden Gems Investing - Fed Chief Speaks, Wall Street Reacts
Episode Date: August 26, 2022Strong words from Federal Reserve chairman Powell sent stocks down on Friday. (0:30) Jason Moser and Emily Flippen discuss: - Why long-term investors should not be surprised by Powell's comments - Sn...owflake's strong week - Zoom Video shares falling to a 2-year low - Ulta Beauty's strong 2nd-quarter sending shares close to an all-time high - Amazon making headlines for what it is NOT planning to do - The latest from Peloton, Electronic Arts, Nvidia, Salesforce, and Intuit (19:45) Maria Gallagher talks with Harvard Business School professor Ranjay Gulati about key insights from his book, Deep Purpose: The Heart and Soul of High-Performance Companies. (29:45) Emily and Jason answer listener questions about Quidelortho Corp. and Berkshire-Hathaway, and share two stocks on their radar: Doximity and Autodesk Our annual investing conference is free for Motley Fool members! For more details go to http://Fool.com/FoolFest. Stocks discussed on the show: SNOW, ZM, PTON, ULTA, AMZN, EA, NVDA, CRM, INTU, ETSY, QDEL, BRK.A, BRK.B, ADSK, DOCS Host: Chris Hill Guests: Emily Flippen, Jason Moser, Maria Gallagher, Ranjay Gulati Producer: Ricky Mulvey Engineer: Dan Boyd Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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It's the Motley Fool Money radio show. I'm Chris Hill, and joining me in studio,
Motley Fool Senior Analysts Emily Flippen and Jason Moser. Good to see you both.
Hey, Chris. We've got the latest in big tech,
software, and more. We're going to dip into the Fool mailbag. As always, we've got a couple of
stocks on our radar. But we begin with the Fed chief. On Friday morning, Federal Reserve Chairman
Jay Powell warned of pain ahead as the central bank plans to use its tools forcefully to bring
down inflation. And Jason, the remarks sent the overall market down. I'm assuming there were some
people who were thinking, the worst of inflation is behind us. Maybe the Fed chief is going to say
that. I don't know. I sort of look at this and I think, that's kind of what I was hoping. That's
what I want to hear out of my Fed chief. We're going to take care of this. I agree with you.
It's always funny to see these reactions. The market immediately fell after the language
came out, then recovered. We thought, OK, that's a pretty reasonable reaction. Then
the bottom fell out. Yet, if you've been paying any attention at all to what's been going on,
you shouldn't be surprised by this language at all. I think what we're seeing as far as
the market's reaction, this is essentially short-term profit-taking for what could be
construed as potentially dead money, for lack of a better phrase in the near term. The key
is, inflation is still with us. The Fed is acknowledging that. They will continue to
fight it. We'll learn more in September when they reconvene as far as what they decide
to do with interest rates. But I appreciate the perspective. We need to deal with this.
It's not a straight line up. Decisions have consequences. We flooded our economy with
a ton of relief capital here recently. That has impacts, and it needs to be accounted
forward and that's what we're doing. I mean, obviously, that's not the only thing at play
here. There's plenty going on around the world that's impacting the global economy. But I mean,
yeah, this is not surprising. This doesn't seem news to me. I just think the market essentially
looks at it as, OK, we're going to sell off and come back when we feel like it's a little bit
more uncertain. Well, about 1040 this morning, I was feeling really good about myself because I was
ready to come on this commentary and say, well, yeah, look, the market's not going to sell off
news that we already know. Then lo and behold, what does the market do exactly that? Here's
the thing. I said that this is news we already know. We know that interest rates need to
be higher in the face of historic inflation. My speculation is the market just doesn't
like being reminded about it. Let's get to some individual companies
then. We're going to start with Snowflake. Shares of the data cloud business up nearly
30% this week after second quarter results were better than Wall Street was expecting.
tell me, Emily, was Snowflake that good or were expectations that low?
I think you can thank Zoom for Snowflake's strong performance. Not too late after
Zoom reported, and Zoom had pretty dismal results in terms of its top-line growth. When
Snowflake comes out and they say, yeah, our product revenue rose 83%, our remaining performance
obligations, that's Snowflake's backlog, so future revenue growth, grew an incredible
78%, and their net revenue retention rate continued its impressive trend of above 170%.
It was a great reminder to the business that Snowflake's an important partner for its core
customers. Its move upstream, which is to say its move towards more high-value enterprises,
capitalizes based off of its usage-based business model. The more enterprise customers they bring
in, the more data they have moving onto Snowflake's platform, the more money Snowflake is getting.
So, all very great. A combination of really strong performance, incredible margins,
incredible growth, plus very low expectations put out for them this quarter by the performance of
their peers. Speaking of Zoom video, shares fell to a two-year low this week after second
quarter results saw slowing growth, and the company also scaled back their guidance, Jason.
Well, going back to things we shouldn't be terribly surprised about, this to me,
again, feels like it's right in line with what you should have been looking for
as management noted in the call here, the majority of revenue has shifted back to the enterprise,
but they've moved beyond pandemic buying patterns. We've moved beyond really what we've been dealing
with over these past couple of years in this digital transformation. We've talked about it
before, a lot of growth was pulled forward, and we saw that with a number of businesses,
Zoom, no exception. Now, we're seeing the after effects of that, a little bit of a hangover,
if you will. I think it is something to note. This is a good business. It doesn't mean that
it's not going to grow going forward. It will grow going forward, but that growth is going
to slow down. It's going to normalize a bit. I think that's just the key for investors
to keep in mind. This is going to be a bit of a more normalized story than what we've
been conditioned toward over the past couple of years. But if you look at the numbers,
they weren't all that bad. They weren't the most impressive in the world, but revenue
up 8% from a year ago. You see the number of customers contributing more than $100,000
and trailing 12-month revenue. That was up 37% from a year ago. They now have approximately
204,100 enterprise customers. That's up 18% from a year ago. Net dollar expansion rate
for enterprise customers is 120%. They anticipate the enterprise customer becoming a greater
part of the business as time goes on. It's already well over half, and that'll continue
to grow. All things considered, Zoom is doing essentially what we expected it to do, seeing
tremendous success in things like Zoom Phone, Zoom Contact Center. Those are new investments
that they're making that continue to grow that enterprise side and retain those customers.
It's just become a more normalized story now. When you look at their guidance for the full
year, somewhere in the neighborhood of $3.65 to $0.66 per share in earnings, that value
shares now with the sell-off around 22X full-year estimates. I think we're looking at a pretty
reasonable price for what is a very high-quality business with, I would say, very customer-centric
leadership? I wouldn't say this is normalizing. I would say this is below normal. Now, I realize
this is a controversial opinion here, but if you look at their underperformance, it's largely due
to their free users, right? So individual people who are going on to their online sales, never
connecting with a sales representative, their enterprise businesses is just getting started.
They're just learning how to deepen monetization with these users. So I really think, and I could
be wrong about this, I should knock on wood, but I think growth from this point accelerates as long
as they execute on their enterprise strategy. Peloton shareholders had reason for optimism
early in the week when the company announced a partnership with Amazon to sell equipment
and apparel on the tech giant's site. The news sent shares of Peloton up more than 20%.
But later in the week, the company posted dismal results for the fourth quarter and
shares of Peloton fell back to earth, Emily. Where to begin with this story? Let's just say
if they had announced a partnership with Amazon in 2020, the stock would have sold off on that
news because it probably would have been degrading to the Peloton brand, losing control over their
customers and their supply chain. But at this point, they need to move inventory. That's what
we saw when Peloton reported their results here, is that they had a huge backlog of more than a
billion dollars in inventory sitting on their balance sheet right now. Any partnership for them
is good for getting those bikes out the door. But the problem is that it's really not riding
the ship quite yet. That was Barry McCarthy's plan. Write this ship. The problem is revenue
fell 28% in the quarter. Inventory actually rose. Margins were incredibly poor. Everybody
listening right now, guess in your head what you think the gross margin on a Peloton bike is
right now. Some of you may know, I'll give you a second to think about it, but it is an astounding
negative 98%. They are losing an incredible amount of money on these bikes. The silver lining here
has always been the subscription business, though. That grew to more than 50% of their
revenue with this quarter. Gross margins there, around 68%. Subscriptions, great. Bikes, still
a troubled business. Now, they want you to put those
bikes together, right? They're not getting that stuff professionally put together. You
have to do it. It's like IKEA. That's OK if we're talking about an armoire or a bench.
I don't know that I want to be putting those bikes together.
I put my bike together. Granted, I have a Nordic track. But I will say, it was not easy.
It was not a fun experience. What are the odds that two to
three years from now, we're talking about Amazon acquiring Peloton. What are the odds that this
really just paves the way for an acquisition? I will say, I'm not sure if it'd be the
smartest move on Amazon's account. Part of that is because I think they'll probably get regulatory
question marks here. But also because, look, at-home fitness, as much as I hate to say it,
I want to be a believer, it has a history of lacking engagement. We saw the churn rates for
Peloton increase this quarter. I don't really know if at-home fitness is ever going to be
the great high-margin business that people may want it to be, even if Amazon's the company doing
the bidding. Alta Beauty posted big
profits in the second quarter and raised guidance for the full fiscal year. Shares of Alta Beauty
up 5% this week and close to an all-time high, Jason. Yeah, what a nice turnaround for Alta here
over the last several quarters. Obviously, had a tough time during the pandemic, but things have
recovered nicely. The stock is actually up year-to-date. Like you mentioned, they raised
guidance to boot. You look at these numbers, sales up 16.8%, earnings per share of $5.70,
that was up 25% from a year ago. They are seeing price increases across the board with
their brand partners, so that's something to keep in mind. They expect that to continue
through the rest of the year. It's not surprising, but that is playing out on the gross margin
on a little bit, and gross margin down 20 basis points for the quarter. But comparable
sales performed very well, up 14.4%. That was driven by an 8.3% increase in transactions
and a 5.6% increase in average tickets. So, seeing an increase there in traffic and ticket
is very encouraging. And they spoke to that. They see store traffic recovering nicely,
they expect that to continue. Bopas. Let me give you a guess as to what Bopas is, Chris.
Buy online, pick up in store. Bopas. I just assumed it was a face cream.
I thought it was a makeup line, too, at first. But Bofus was up 25% of e-commerce sales.
That was 25% of e-commerce sales versus 20% a year ago. So, a lot of folks ordering online,
picking up in-store. That's nice to see. 38.2 million active loyalty members now. That was
up 10%. They continue to repurchase shares. That count is down 15.5% over the last five years.
So, it feels like this is a company that's really got things back on track.
Amazon made big headlines this week, but it was for the things the company is not planning
on doing. We're going to explain after the break, so stay right here. You're listening
to Motley Fool Money. Welcome back to Motley Fool Money. Chris Hill
here in studio with Emily Flippen and Jason Moser. Three years ago, Amazon launched a
telehealth service called Amazon Care. This week, the company announced it is shutting
the telehealth service down, prompting questions about where the company wants to go with its
healthcare aspirations, Jason. Yeah. I think the knee-jerk reaction
to this news was, wow, they're getting out of telemedicine or healthcare or whatever.
I think the takeaway is clearly not that. It's not that Amazon is giving up on healthcare or
even virtual healthcare, for that matter. Ultimately, I think what this feels like is,
they just came to the realization it's hard to build. They could probably make more progress
by buying as opposed to building, and then building off of what they buy. That is what
is really behind that one medical deal, I think, where they are looking into the primary
care market. That has a physical and a digital presence there. It accounts for future endeavors
as well as they continue to dabble in the space. I think that for Amazon, this is something
they do a lot. They try things, sometimes it doesn't work out. They can buy their presence
in that market, and they go in more educated about it than ever before. I think they've
learned a lot just from trying to build Amazon Care. But ultimately, they just found it wasn't
holistic enough. It didn't provide as much as ultimately their customers wanted.
I think the big question for me in regard to Amazon Healthcare, and I just don't know
what the answer to this is, but it's just from a brand perspective. I don't know if
folks want healthcare by Amazon. I mentioned earlier in the week, it kind of sounds like
banking by Facebook. At some point or another, is that the brand you trust for that particular
experience? I had some interesting interactions with the folks on Twitter that, given Amazon's
customer centricity and success in retail, maybe it would be. I think that's right. I think the
question is, will they participate in this healthcare space as it is, or will they be
able to get in here and disrupt and change the healthcare space. I think that really speaks to
it because if they can disrupt and change things, I think that gives that brand far more credibility
in the healthcare space than we probably assume today. Jason, you say it so nicely. The way I
put it is, they like to throw stuff at the wall and see what sticks. Healthcare started to slide
here, so now they're backstepping a bit. I will say, when I think about healthcare by Amazon,
one medical has made a name for itself by being very personable and focused. Amazon, not so much.
So, I'm questioning the synergies there. Also, Friday morning, shares of Electronic
Arts popped 15% on a media report that Amazon was going to buy EA, but the report was shut down.
Can you just describe that for Amazon, Jason? Well, it feels like a lot of deals
trying to happen at once, right? So, I am glad this was something that didn't shake out. To me,
I feel like folks who are hoping for this Microsoft Activision Blizzard deal to go through,
this is probably really good news. Because if this news was, in fact, real, if this was
something that was going to happen, I would imagine it would put both Amazon and Microsoft
even more so under that microscope of regulators in regard to that deal. So, yeah, probably
just as well that this isn't happening. Nvidia's second quarter profits and
revenue were lower than Wall Street was hoping for. The chipmaker also talked about the challenging
conditions in the gaming market and shares of Nvidia down a little bit this week, Emily.
Well, what goes up must come down, or in this case, what goes up in the first quarter
must come down in the second quarter because Nvidia was looking at some extremely tough
comps into comparison to how they did earlier this year. Gaming revenue, as you mentioned,
fell 44% from last quarter as consumer demand weakened for things like GPUs, which drive
a lot of Nvidia's results. The good news is that data center and automotive were bright
spots in the quarter, both growing significantly year over year. This is always going to be
a very lumpy and cyclical business depending on chip demand, but Nvidia remains technologically
the leader and very well capitalized. If you're a shareholder, try not to worry too much about
these bumps. Salesforce had some nice results
in the second quarter, but guidance for the third quarter and the full fiscal year sent
shares of the cloud software company down more than 7% this week, Jason.
Yeah, I wouldn't really worry about that too much. The stock has had a nice little
run up. Honestly, when you look at what Salesforce does, when you look at the number of different
ways they can play into this customer relationship management space, they just tackle it from
all angles. They've made some really astute acquisitions over the course of the last several
years that are really starting to pay off. That really is showing through the numbers.
Revenue is $7.7 billion. That was up 26% and right in line with their own expectations.
Operating margin down a little bit, 19.9% for the quarter. That was down 50 basis points
from a year ago. But Mark Benioff, he did note that of all of the CEOs and leaders he's
speaking with, everybody is taking a more measured approach. We're seeing this uncertainty
play out in all facets of the economy. They ratcheted their revenue guidance down very
modestly, but maintained their operating margin guidance, however, as they're committed to
maintaining cost discipline. When you look at the actual business itself,
Cloud and Service Cloud are both $6 billion-plus businesses now. In the quarter, they grew
19% and 18% respectively. The data cloud business passed $1 billion in revenue. You put those
three together along with the service and commerce cloud sides of the business, now
all five of their cloud segments are generating better than $1 billion in revenue each per
quarter. That's just tremendous growth. A lot of that really plays back into the acquisitions
they've made over the last several years, MuleSoft, Tableau, Slack. Speaking of Slack,
revenue of $381 million. It continues to outperform their own expectations. It continues to grow
and gain traction with customers. The number of customers spending greater than $100,000
with Slack grew by more than 40% from a year ago as well. All things considered, the business
continues to perform very well. They just introduced their first share repurchase authorization ever.
$10 billion share repurchase authorization. That's noteworthy, I think, because when you
look at the share count, it's up 36% over the last five years, and that is due to dilution,
acquisitions, and whatnot. They're going to start trying to bring that back down,
return a little value to shareholders. It's interesting, they see some value in their
shares. The guidance for the full year, around $4.72, that puts shares around 36 times full
year estimates, which really isn't out of line for such a high-quality business.
Intuit closed out the fiscal year in style. Fourth quarter profits and revenue
were higher than expected for the financial software company. They also raised their quarterly
dividend and authorized a $3.5 billion share buyback plan, Emily.
Yeah, you would never know that they recently had to pay a fine of more than $100
million by looking at this quarter, would you? No, Intuit had a stellar year behind
them. Revenue rose 32% for the full year, largely driven by self-employed and small
business customers. Management continues to speak super fondly of their core customer.
The fact that their software is mission-critical for these businesses. Even as the economy weakens,
they think that they're going to continue to retain and grow customers. I will say I'm a
little bit more cautious than management, given the fact that if their core customers go out of
business, the need for any software does go out the window. But for this quarter and this past
year, Intuit is certainly looking up. Maybe it was originally a $4 billion
buyback plan, and they've had to cut that $500 million check. All right, Emily Flippen,
Jason Moser, we will see you later in the show. Up next, how companies with purpose
perform at a higher level. Stay right here. You're listening to Motley Fool Money.
Chris Hill Welcome back to Motley Fool Money. I'm Chris Hill.
Finding companies with purpose is not easy. For some companies, purpose can be a deep
motivator for the organization. For others, it's a box that gets checked with a one-day
volunteer event for employees. How can you tell the difference? Ranjay Gulati is a professor at
the Harvard Business School and author of the book Deep Purpose, The Heart and Soul of High
Performance Companies. Maria Gallagher caught up with Gulati a few months ago to discuss his book
and the long road that Etsy took to find a more focused purpose.
Can you go into a little bit the different types of purpose?
I know that in the book you talk about convenient purpose and then within that there are some different elements and then you also have deep purpose.
Can you give us a couple of definitions for those?
You have read my book.
I have.
I can see that.
So, look, again, I ended up with a taxonomy of convenient purpose because there were so many variations of what I called convenient or shallow purpose.
The worst kind, the most egregious of purpose is disguise.
Right. That's the example of the Enron, the Theranos and other where purpose is just a virtue cloak.
The second was purpose on the side or purpose as CSR.
It's like, oh, yeah, let's have a little foundation over here. Let's do a little charity over there.
You know, we'll allow employees to go and volunteer for two days a year and we'll call that our kind of corporate purpose initiative.
Right. That's purpose on the side.
Then I found another version, which was purpose as win win.
meaning I'm only going to do things that are good for me and good for society,
meaning I do them both simultaneously.
Meaning, and people have called this a dangerous concept
because it became another excuse to hide and say,
I only do things that are good for me.
And so I had to contrast that with what I call deep purpose.
Because if you're going to unlock the performance advantages,
financial performance advantages and even social impact advantages of purpose you have to really
think deep about it and how do you make it part of the the very dna of your company i think what
something that i really admire about the way you're talking about purpose is it's really getting to
the nuance and kind of the gray area in which a lot of purpose lives because you we have so much
talk about win-win and how in this perfect world, every company is just doing amazing things for
the world. But I think when you talk about the kind of contrast between insiders, they want to
reform capitalism, but they're always going to, they want their own financial fortunes more than
they necessarily want that type of reform. And I think that's kind of a broader question a lot
of people are talking about in terms of what the overall system that we're a part of looks at.
So this is kind of a long winded way of asking just how do you think about that kind of push and pull of saying, you know, that there's you can't just be morally neutral.
And a lot of companies I know you talk about in the book with Etsy that you have to make some sort of choices that may hurt some people.
And so how do you think about that type of kind of overarching idea of what that push and pull in that new one nuance looks like?
so you know like what's happening all around us today maria everything has gotten polarized right
everything is taken to its extreme and we each side takes the purest view and says if you're
in violation of this purest idealistic perfect view then you are completely bad and what i
discovered was that today businesses have multiple stakeholders to serve and so their purpose needs
to think about employees customers suppliers you know community society planet right and nation
states even now so all this stuff is happening and so you can't satisfy everybody all the time
this perfect win-win doesn't happen all the time so you're gonna have to make choices trade-offs
hard decisions no one's going to be perfectly happy with you and i call that walking on the
razor's edge but having a purpose allows you to clarify to everybody this is what i'm doing in
why i'll tell you a short story here that came out of my research so one of the companies as you
mentioned i'd studied was etsy and etsy was a wonderful company started by a very idealistic
founder who was a carpenter and he wanted to sell his crafts online and so he built this little
marketplace for craftspeople like himself to sell their wares and this thing grew beyond what he
probably ever imagined and next thing you know it's like selling over a billion dollars of product
and the company's outgrown him.
They bring in a CEO to take over who grows the company
but keeps that DNA that, you know,
we're really here to serve the sellers
and shareholders even, we're not here to make money.
We're not really,
we're kind of a socially oriented marketplace.
And the employees were told, you know,
have yoga classes, enjoy, you know,
work as hard as you can,
but we're working through these great things.
And what starts to happen after they go public
is their spending is growing,
their hiring is growing,
Their marketing and spending is growing, and revenue is flat.
Now, what does that tell you?
That here's something wrong with this business.
So anyway, with shareholder pressure now, the CEO gets fired,
and they put a member of the board who's run e-commerce companies,
Josh Silverman, as CEO.
The day before he takes the job, he takes his teenage daughter for a walk.
And he tells her, in the coming days and weeks,
you're gonna hear some horrible things about me in the press from employees I just hope you
believe that they're not true I'm doing what I believe is the right thing right and he has to go
and they have to lay off people because they've hired up too much right they have to curb their
marketing spend their technologies were all over the place and even their social impact was not
measured really and all over the place. But the blowback was huge. You know, the labels used to
describe him were harsh. And his idea was, I want to build Etsy back into a profitable and socially
impactful company, which he has. But you see, it's real. That's why the razor's edge walking on the
road. I looked at other companies, too, that did it the other way. You know, Gotham Green is a
fascinating company. It's an agrotech company that does urban farming on large rooftops in
New York City, where you are, Maria. They have a farm on top of Whole Foods. And the idea is it
reduces spoilage, right? Reduces transportation, right? And of course, allows them to deliver the
product fresh. Now, packaging was a huge issue. Customers like us, we want it in a package. We
don't want to have loose letters and loose things like that so they said okay what packaging and the
only packaging they could use was plastic because plastic is the only thing still today that keeps
it fresh longest so now here you are a green oriented company and you have to use plastic
and they said we had to but we're going to keep an eye and look for options so this idea that
purpose means you're perfect on every dimension is an illusion i think it's all about walking on
raises edge and as long as you have clarity of what your intent is you communicate it clearly
to all stakeholders and say look this is what we're doing this is why we're doing it you know
etc and she says we have three social impact goals not four not five three dei environment
and economics of the seller that's it so how to navigate a much more complicated world we're in
right now where you know all of us are being called in different directions and if you just
take employees look at the great resignation right employees expect more of work we expect
more meaning out of work and what are companies doing for that customers want more trustworthy
companies that they feel they can trust they don't want to be duped anymore or deceived or
you know manipulated even so the planet is also becoming an issue now right that's saying even
the planet may not have a voice but companies are being expected to deliver on this and then
social issues what's your what do you believe about what's happening in ukraine today tell me
what's your point of view suddenly people are like oh so i think what's happening is some people
most people are reacting to these things pressures and they say what's the minimum we need to do
Purpose allows you to be proactive.
You've built an anchor for yourself.
You said, that's who we are.
And we're going to do the best within our purpose statement and our frame of reference.
I'm surprised why so few companies still have a deep purpose orientation.
Coming up after the break, Emily Flippen and Jason Moser return with a couple of stocks on their radar.
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podcasts at fool.com. Got a question from Tim in Wisconsin who writes, in August of last year,
one of your analysts, I believe it was Emily Flippen, talked about Quidel Corporation,
ticker symbol QDEL. They have since merged with an orthopedic medical company, Ortho Clinical
Diagnostics Holdings, and the stock hasn't done much since then. I'm curious what your thoughts
are on the company at this time. Thanks for the question, Tim. Emily?
Yeah, that does sound like something I would say. Houdel is a really interesting business. For
anybody who is unfamiliar with this company, which I wouldn't be surprised at, they're relatively
small, they're a diagnostics business. Pre-pandemic, their bread and butter was flu tests.
Obviously, that changed when COVID hit, and the business dramatically shot up. They're
the makers of the QuickView COVID test. Now, they're just pushing into more of the diagnostics,
and that's exactly what this acquisition of Ortho does. The company did rename themselves
to Qdel Ortho. I think they could have come up with something better than that. It was
a $6 billion deal. This was a combination of the two companies. Ortho focuses on in-vitro
diagnostics. So, it was accretive to what Qdell's core business is. It's growing faster
than Qdell's core business, so also hopefully going to be great for their growth engine
in the future. On the Qdell side, things are still looking
good. Still a big fan of this company. They're doing a combined flu A, B, and COVID test
that even as the pandemic wanes, I think should retain traction with people when they get
sick going to their Walgreens or CVS to get tested. But the big question mark is still
their Savannah molecular diagnostics system, which was probably the reason why I mentioned
this company in the first place. They've been trying to get that out the door for a while.
They have tests going in the European Union right now with expectations of launching in the U.S.
and hopefully 2023, but we'll see. You can email your questions to
podcast.fool.com or you can call the Motley Fool Money hotline, 703-254-1445. Let's go to our man
behind the glass, Dan Boyd. Dan, we've got a question on the hotline.
Hi, this is Gail from Hershey, Pennsylvania. My question is, do you consider Berkshire Hathaway
a riskier investment than it was five years ago, now that one company, Apple, makes up 40% of its
invested holdings? I'd love to hear your thoughts and also how you think Warren Buffett might answer
that same question. Thanks. Thank you, Gail, for listening and for a great question. It's really
two questions, which I love, Jason, that it's like, what do you think? And what do you think
Buffett would say? Got an investing question? Better call a fool.
All right, let's get to it, because I love the spirit of this question.
I'll try to answer this how Buffett might. But as you look at the long-term investments
sector of the business, it represents 40% of total assets on the balance sheet. Now,
Many of those produce very healthy dividend streams, Apple included. You're looking at
a company, Berkshire Hathaway, though, that also generated $290 billion in revenue over
the last 12 months. Dividends are a very, very small part of that revenue. I think that
Buffett would look into the shareholder letter and refer us to what he defines or what he
calls the big four giants. The first is the collection of insurance companies. That represents
the lion's share of that revenue that I just mentioned. The next is Apple. Let's not dismiss
the fact that it does represent about 40% of that overall investment portfolio. It also
accounted for $785 million in dividends for Berkshire Hathaway last year. Remember, every
year that goes by that they collect those dividends, that actually just reduces their
effective cost basis in that investment. Given that we know they're going to hang on to those
shares for as long as they possibly can, that should really only continue to get better over
time. But then you look at the other two parts of that big four giants. You've got BNSF, which is
the railroad. You've got Berkshire Hathaway Energy. So all things together, I think you look
at the nature of its other investments. I think it makes the investment portfolio even more attractive
because all of these other aspects of the business are so ultimately reliable, right?
Insurance. I mean, that's what we talk about that business time and time again. It's so reliable.
energy, rail. Those are really strong competitive advantages in this overall business that affords
Berkshire Hathaway the luxury of taking those risks with an investment portfolio like this
and concentrating in what they see as the biggest long-term winners. Is there some risk in Apple?
Sure. But I think that risk is fairly low when you look at it in the context of other investment
ideas out there. And we were talking earlier in the show about Amazon and whether or not
they would brand their healthcare initiative around their core company name. You look at
Berkshire Hathaway, they've done very little of that. They've done very little of spreading
around the Berkshire Hathaway name to businesses they have acquired.
Yeah, and that seems to be really right in line with their mentality. Just as much as when they
buy those businesses and bring them into the fold, they want the leaders of those businesses to
continue leading those businesses. It's not all about, we want you to be Berkshire Hathaway.
They want some autonomy there. I think that plays into their brand as well.
Nobody wants Berkshire Hathaway candy. We want See's candy.
It's very well said. Not the Berkshire Hathaway candy.
All right, let's get to the stocks on our radar this week. Our man behind the glass,
Dan Boyd, is going to hit you with a question. Emily Flippen, you're up first. What are you
looking at this week? I'm looking at Doximity. The
ticker is D-O-C-S. For investors who are unfamiliar, Doximity runs a platform for doctors.
It's like a social networking platform, but they monetize mainly through ads driven by
pharmaceutical companies. You can imagine it as a digital pharmaceutical rep, if you're going to go
that far. But they've expanded their business into things like telehealth and physician scheduling,
faxing, connecting, so doing a lot more than just any one thing. I will say, though,
this past quarter did not look great for Doximity. Ad revenue significantly fell off
as pharmaceutical companies tightened their belts a bit for ad budgets. But the fundamentals for
this business are still very strong. They have incredible, nearly 50% free cash flow margins,
a highly invested founder, CEO, and Jeff Tenge. Their engagement has, quote,
never been higher. While I'm still nervous about what the ad revenue could look like over the next
few quarters, the fundamentals remain strong. Dan, question about Doximity?
Sure thing, Chris. Doximity, great name. Been on the record talking about that before.
Emily, who exactly are the customers for Doximity?
The customers are the pharmaceutical companies. I will go to the grave saying this because
Doximity themselves say, we always try to serve the physicians. It's true,
they do want to serve the physicians, but the person who is writing their check
are pharmaceutical companies for the most part. They need to keep them satisfied first.
It's the difference between consumers and customers. Customers are the ones who pay you.
Exactly. Jason Moser,
what are you looking at this week? Autodesk earnings came out this week,
ticker ADSK. A very respectable quarter in what is obviously a very challenging time
for all. Remember, Autodesk is in the business of computer-aided design. Total revenue grew
17%. They grew their operating margin 5% points. Total billings up 17% to $1.2 billion. Remember,
Autodesk is mostly a subscription business and subscription plan revenue grew 17% with
net retention rate in that 100% to 110% range that management targets. Remember, that net
retention rate, that's what measures the year-over-year change in recurring revenue for the population
of customers that existed one year ago. That's why they tracked that metric. But the stock
itself right now is valued around 32X full-year earnings estimates. I don't think that's out
of the ordinary for this business. Fairly reliable subscription model and a very strong
reputation, the computer-aided design market. Dan, question about Autodesk.
Sure thing, Chris and Jason, I suppose. Here's more of a fundamental investing question
for you. I bought Autodesk early last year. What do you call the opposite of buying the
dip? Because that's what I did. I feel like I could let Chris answer
that. I was going to say, I did that not
with Autodesk, but with a couple of other companies as well.
Buying the top? Yeah, buying the top.
buying the peak. Sure. Let's hope that there's a dip between two peaks sometime in the future
because, boy, it's not been an easy ride so far. I almost hesitate to ask, Dan, what do you want
to add to your watch list this week? Well, I'm always watching Autodesk since I'm a shareholder,
so I'm going to go with Doximity. Again, I just love the name. It just rolls right off the tongue.
And a great ticker symbol, too. Absolutely.
Absolutely. Docs, great ticker symbol. All right, Emily Flippen, Jason Moser,
thanks so much for being here. Thanks, Chris.
Keep the emails coming to podcasts at fool.com and give us a call, 703-254-1445,
The Motley Fool Money Hotline. That's going to do it for this week's show.
The show is mixed by Dan Boyd. I'm Chris Hill. Thanks for listening, and we'll see you next time.
We'll be right back.
