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Episode Date: December 6, 2013

Amazon unveils a high-flying initiative.  Apple inks a deal with the world's biggest mobile carrier.  And Sears spins off Lands End.   Our analysts discuss those stories and we talk about the big ...business of blockbusters with Anita Elberse, author of Blockbusters: Hit-Making, Risk-Taking, and the Big Business of Entertainment.   Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Chris Hill, I'm your host, Chris Hill. Joining me in studio this week from Motley Fool 1, Jason Moser, and from Million Dollar Portfolio, Charlie Travers and Ron Gross. Good to see you, gents. We've got flying drones, falling stocks, and a brand new reason to go to the Olive Garden. We will dig into the big business of entertainment, and as always, we will share a few stocks you can put on your watch list. But we begin this week with the big macro. The November jobs report was out Friday morning. Unemployment dropping to 7%. Ron, it is the lowest point in five years. You combine that with the good housing data we got earlier in the week? The good auto sales numbers? How good are things looking right now?
Starting point is 00:01:00 I have nothing cynical to say which scares the hell out of me. I really like the way this looks. 7% is really strong. We want to go lower, but it's pretty good. The labor participation rate actually went up a bit, which is good. Sometimes we see the unemployment rate go down because of the way the math shakes out when people leave the labor force. That's not the case this time. That U6 number, that full employment number, also came down. Things are really strong. Auto sales looked good, housing looked good, consumer sentiment looked very strong. Numbers came out on Friday morning. What could go wrong, Chris? Charlie, when you consider that before this week, a lot of the macro data, a lot
Starting point is 00:01:45 of the industry data that we saw, particularly, I'm thinking retail, was just looking pretty gruesome heading into the holiday season, and this is really a great week. I'm glad you brought up retail, Chris, because I'm perplexed. You would think if more people are going back to work that you would see that flow through retail, and yet companies like Kohl's, Target, Walmart are all giving soft guidance for the holiday season, which is surprising. I guess it's all going into housing and autos and not as much into retailers. I will say I was at the local mall over Black Friday weekend, and it looked deserted. So, I don't think this is a great sign for most retailers. Interest rates still being low. I think the things that are housing and auto are definitely
Starting point is 00:02:29 still being affected in a positive way by those low interest rates. But the auto numbers were helped out by a lot of incentives, a lot of promotional activity. Black Friday, what are we going to call it? I'm going to say it was tepidly good. It wasn't great. it wasn't horrible. More people were shopping, just, I think, lower ticket items, less money spent. I'll give you a little cynicism for Ron. I mean, I know he didn't want to do it, but I'll do it. I mean, I think the employment numbers were encouraging, certainly. I think the other interesting thing to note here, as we talked a little bit about this week, sort of this push to raise the minimum wage. And I know that, obviously, I mean, historically
Starting point is 00:03:06 speaking, there will be a raise to the minimum wage at some point. But there was a strike yesterday, I saw in fast food restaurants where fast food workers were striking demanding $15 an hour, which is basically double the rate now. I think the point is that if you look at this minimum wage issue, I think it's going to continue to be brought to the forefront and talked about. That is something that could make some of these companies, McDonald's, Yum! Brands, places like that, this could give them a little bit of a headwind in the way of jobs, I think. Companies with more pricing power, something like Chipotle and Starbucks, they can pass those higher labor costs on through, might not be so affected
Starting point is 00:03:49 by it. But I think that's something at least to keep an eye on, because it's going to be something that becomes more of an issue here as time goes on. Ron, just bringing it back to auto sales, one thing we did see was Black Friday sales in the auto industry getting a lot of credit for those good numbers that we saw coming out in November. Maybe the most bizarre thing I saw this week was the CEO of AutoNation giving credit to Ron Burgundy for boosting sales. Those are good commercials. They're good commercials, but apparently they're also effective commercials, because Dodge
Starting point is 00:04:18 Durango sales are going through the roof. Yeah, the sales were definitely strong, but there was promotional activity. Sales were helped by some new model introductions as well. But overall, numbers look good. What had long been rumored is now official. Apple and China Mobile have finally reached a deal that will have the world's biggest mobile carrier offering the iPhone on its network. And Jason, as we've talked about before, more than 700 million subscribers in the China mobile network. And you figure that hearing a number like that, the stock would have popped following the news, which it didn't. It was really just modestly, maybe a percent. I think
Starting point is 00:04:53 there's a good reason why, though. I mean, if you look at sort of the GDP per capita, for example, in China. This measure is sort of the standard of living. And that's $6,000 in China versus $50,000 here in the United States. And so, this all leads me to the point that I think, number one, you're going to see some more economic sensitivity to the iPhone in China than we see here. That's going to reduce that 700 million subscriber base, I think, significantly. And then, number two, because of that economic sensitivity, they're going to have a harder time really commanding control of that replacement cycle like they control it here. So there aren't going to be the same sort of robust upgrade numbers that
Starting point is 00:05:33 we witness here, thanks to the subsidized models that we enjoy. So while I think it is a good thing for Apple, obviously, I can understand the market's muted reaction, because I just don't think that 700 million subscriber base is necessarily indicative of the total market. You're totally right, Jason. And you're not going to see on China Mobile's network, Like, say, 30%, 40% of their phones are iPhones, like you might see in developed countries, but they don't need that. 5% of that is 30 million phones. That's a needle mover for Apple.
Starting point is 00:06:05 No doubt. And I think they could get enough to help them, even if it's a small percentage of the total China mobile membership. And I don't think most analysts were incorporating this deal into their estimates on purpose. While we all hoped it would come, I think most people were doing what we were doing, and we were taking a wait-and-see approach. So, I think this will incrementally add to estimates going forward. I think it's a positive for the stock. I think we did see some strength in the stock over the last two weeks. So, maybe there was some buy on the rumor, sell
Starting point is 00:06:36 on the news going on. But I think it's a net positive for the company. Meanwhile, closer to home, we have Carl Icahn, the billionaire activist investor, gracing the cover of Time magazine with the gaudy headline, Master of the Universe. Time magazine calling him the most important investor in America, and his latest push now, he's really serious about trying to convince Apple to buy back $50 billion worth of stock. Is he right? I think he's right. I'm in favor of that. Incidentally, it's less than the $250 billion he was talking about previously. He's going to try to take this to a vote of shareholders. Probably easier to get a $50 billion vote
Starting point is 00:07:16 for yes than it would be to get $250. But I don't see a good reason for Apple not to do that. They are returning a lot of money to shareholders. It's not like they're not active in that space. But I think they certainly can do more. So, as an Apple shareholder, I would probably be inclined to agree with that, but no promises until I see the details. Sears announced it will spin off its Land's End business as a way to turn things around, and they need it, Charlie, because shares down 20% this week. Is something like this going to help? No. In a word, no. Okay, next story. Cupcake it, Charlie.
Starting point is 00:07:55 Yeah. Sears has been divesting assets left and right over the last two years. They got rid of their Sears hometown and outlets, Orchard Supply Hardware, now Land's End. They're talking about the auto centers that are attached to Sears. Those could be on the table as well. Basically, everything except the kitchen sink is going out the door at Sears. The company is bleeding money. I think there is a good case to get rid of Land's End, which would be to let the company find its own capital to run its business. There are some nice things about Land's End. It's mostly an online company at this point, so they don't have the overhead of running retail stores to deal with.
Starting point is 00:08:35 They did $1.6 billion in revenue last year, and they were profitable. so this will happen what it means if you're a seer shareholders you will own shares of land's end as well i think you have to be a little bit careful here uh land's end's profitability is down every year since 2008 it's not necessarily doing well in its own right i was hoping to see some better numbers when i peeked into the filing this morning i did see that uh so i would say stay away from Sears and stay away from Land's End. I don't think this is a magic bullet for either company. In an interview with 60 Minutes, Amazon CEO Jeff Bezos revealed his company is testing flying drones as a way to deliver
Starting point is 00:09:18 small packages to consumers more quickly. Jason, as the week played out, we saw companies like UPS coming forward and saying, yeah, we're looking into this. Do you think this is a small bet by Amazon or a big bet? I think that it is more along the lines of a small bet for Amazon today, because they are placing such big bets in their retail model and with Amazon Web Services that this is just a way for them to hopefully incrementally improve that retail side of the operation. In the interview, Bezos' point he kept on hammering on was that they're trying to make this retail model work. In other words, that's why they're building more distribution centers, more fulfillment centers, introducing the
Starting point is 00:10:05 possibility of these delivery drones, which I think we all agreed probably need a name change there to really change the perception. Yeah, drone's a terrible brand. You know, they feel like there's some sort of surreptitious ploy here to go against the American public and spy on us. But really, I mean, this is something where, I mean, the FAA is working on rules for unmanned aerial vehicles. I mean, this is something that, according to Amazon, it's going to happen. The videos looked neat, I thought. We certainly saw Domino's in the U.K. try this. Maybe it was a bit of a publicity stunt when they tried
Starting point is 00:10:35 it, but they delivered a pizza with an unmanned drone, so that was kind of cool. But, I mean, this is all, you know, he's all about the customer, you know, figuring out a way to get things to the customer in the quickest way possible. And if it can help the economics of the business, well, then I'm all for it, too. Charlie, if you think that this is going to happen, whether it is Amazon or whoever, then don't you need, as an investor, to start looking at Lockheed Martin, AeroViron? I mean, I look at this and I think, gosh, if drones really are coming in some significant way, someone's got to build these things.
Starting point is 00:11:10 That is true. I would say I'm not sure who that player would be. Most of the large defense contractors, like a Lockheed that you might think of, You know, some of those, like submarines, for example, that's a $2 billion order versus these drones, which couldn't cost more than a couple hundred bucks. So I wouldn't see it as needle-moving, unless it's a small company like Air Environment. Coming up, donuts and burgers and makeup. Oh, my. You're listening to Motley Fool Money. Hey, it's Chris here.
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Starting point is 00:12:03 Use the promo code FOOL to save 10% on your initial purchase. That's M-O-Z-Y dot com. Welcome back to Motley Fool Money. Chris Hill here in studio with Jason Moser, Charlie Travers, and Ron Gross. Shares of Ulta Salon Cosmetics got whacked on Friday, so we turn to our cosmetics expert, Ron Gross. The third quarter results look good. They were warning about the fourth quarter. And I'm wondering if, as we've talked about before with retail, is this a symptom of just too many holiday discounts?
Starting point is 00:12:38 Well, it's definitely in line with what we're hearing from other retailers. I actually think the numbers look pretty good, in light of the fact that we're in somewhat of a weak retail environment. Stamps or sales were still up 6.8%, now that's lower than the 8.9% last year, which gets people spooked. When you're paying 15 times EBITDA or more for a company, when you see decelerating growth, you're going to get the momentum players, at the very least, to sell off the stock. That's why you get stocks that get hit 20% in one day, even though they grew profit 19%
Starting point is 00:13:11 the quarter. So, I think results look fine. Retailer's a bit of a mess right now. They're going to have to be promotional. It's going to hurt margins. They're doing it to maintain market share. Still a long growth runway. They could probably double the store count. We own just a little bit of a nibble of this stock right now, but a pullback like this gets me even more interested. Shares of Krispy Kreme donuts down 20% this week. Once again, Charlie, third quarter results look good, but the projections for the next fiscal year is what spooked investors. Yeah. So, they grew EPS at 30% this year and said next year it'll be about 20% growth.
Starting point is 00:13:48 There's a lot of companies that would kill for 20% growth next year. But similar to Ulta, when the expectations here were so high for Krispy Kreme and then they're only, in quotes, going to do 20%, the stock sold off. You've got to put this in some perspective. The stock is still doubled this year. So, if you've owned Krispy Kreme, you're still very happy with what they're doing. I do like where Krispy Kreme is headed. Over the next three years, they could roughly double their store count domestic and internationally. I think we all think of Krispy Kreme as an American business, but actually the international franchisees are over half the company's operating profit at this point. So apparently donuts are universal.
Starting point is 00:14:28 So I do- As we always suspected. As we always suspected. I think the one point of concern here is that even with the sell-off, Krispy Kreme is still trading at almost 60 times earnings. That's a pretty expensive stock. So, I'd put it in wait-and-see mode. Jason, this is a company that was really struggling. You look at 2009, the stock was trading for $1. To Charlie's point, they just pulled off an amazing four- or five-year run, particularly when you look at something like how they were able to grow same-store sales quarter after quarter.
Starting point is 00:14:57 Yeah. I remember growing up in Charleston, Krispy Kreme was the place to get donuts. Donuts was just, I don't even know, it was just an afterthought, really. Heresy. It's been amazing what they've done, especially in light of the things that happened to the company in the recent past. I guess the one thing that concerns me with something like a Krispy Kreme, and why I can't quite get past this as a potential investment, is I don't think they possess the same sort of consumer packaged segment potential that you see from a Dunkin' Donuts or a Starbucks. In other words, I'm skeptical that they could
Starting point is 00:15:32 get Krispy Kreme brand coffee on the shelves in the store. I know donuts don't have nearly the same hurdle there, but I think the coffee side is where I'm really having a hang-up here. Before we get to our final story, a personal note for longtime listeners, some happy news from Australia this week. Uncle Joe Mager is now Papa Joe Mager. So, congrats to our man Joe and his lovely bride, and baby Jack Mager, who, is this right that he already set up a Twitter account for his kid?
Starting point is 00:16:01 TMF Jack Investor, I think. Jack Investor, yeah. That sounds like Joe. That does. So, anyway, congrats to Joe on that. Our final story, we're going to have to go to the other side of the glass for this one. This week, Olive Garden started selling the Italiano Burger with crispy prosciutto, fresh mozzarella cheese, in an attempt to better compete with other fast, casual restaurants like Chili's and Applebee's. So, I turn to our man behind the glass, investor, and Olive Garden fan extraordinaire, Steve Broido.
Starting point is 00:16:32 Steve, first and foremost, from a business standpoint, is this a good move? Steve Broido Huzzah and Excelsior. It cannot get much better. Getting Olive Garden's brand out there is always a good thing. Having more menu options is a good thing. And let me just let the audience know, I love the Olive Garden, not in a hipster, ironic way. I really do enjoy going there. I just love the salad dressing.
Starting point is 00:16:53 I think it's great. And if there's a burger there, even better. Are you concerned that, and I'm getting this off of their menu, that this burger, a six-ounce burger, has over 1,000 calories? Not at all. I think if you're going there, you're going to stock up and look more power to you. It's going to be 1,000 calories one way or another. If you get it without the prosciutto, you'll probably get it down to 850. It's a win-win, really.
Starting point is 00:17:18 In all seriousness, I was ready to make fun of this. But I look at this and I think, you know what? This is a small bet, and this makes sense for this business. Yes, it's the Olive Garden, and they have the Italian theme going on, but I don't look at this as any significant departure from what they're doing. I see it as somewhat of a departure, but they'll sell some. I don't think it's going to be the main thing that they sell. But as Steve said, it's always nice to get a little bit of an expansion to the menu, but they'll stick to their bread and butter, the good old bread sticks and chicken parmesan.
Starting point is 00:17:51 You're not telling anybody to go to Olive Garden to get the burger, right? I mean, that's just sort of an incidental, like, family's going to Olive Garden, and I don't really feel like telling them, well, they have a burger there, so maybe they can be okay. No. Charlie's shaking his head. Well, Charlie and I, I mean, every once in a while we'll take up to it. Ray's Hell Burger, so we get used to these things. Don't give me a frozen patty that you heat up, yeah.
Starting point is 00:18:13 Unless you've had that, you can't go back. The other thing that surprised me about this is that they did this in response to Chili's and Applebee's, which apparently are, I don't want to say they're crushing Olive Garden, but they're certainly executing better of late. I don't know. It just got me thinking, Jason, about what we talked about before with Chipotle and these restaurants facing the same challenge that, look, there are high input costs and it's all about execution. Well, yeah, and that casual dining segment has faced a lot of headwinds recently because of this explosion in the fast casual. And so, these casual dining segments are having to become more things to more people. And so, on the one hand, with a Chili's or an Applebee's, I mean, they have all sorts of menu offerings.
Starting point is 00:18:54 Now, we're going to see if Olive Garden is going to introduce anything else. Steve, will you commit to trying one of these in the next few weeks? I will not. Chicken Parma. Chicken Parma busts. That's awesome. All right. Ron Gross, Charlie Travers, Jason Moser. Guys, we'll see you later in the show. up next, a look at the big business of entertainment. You're listening to Motley Fool Money. Welcome back to Motley Fool Money. I'm Chris Hill. It was just this past June that
Starting point is 00:19:31 Steven Spielberg predicted the movie business would eventually implode. Spielberg said a few mega-budget movies would crash, changing the way the industry works. And I am guessing that our guest this week politely disagrees. Anita Albersi is a professor at the Harvard Business School, and she is the author of the new book, Blockbusters, Hit-Making, Risk-Taking, and the Big Business of Entertainment. Anita, thanks so much for being here. Thanks so much for having me. It's a pleasure. We have talked on this show before about movies that were huge flops just over the last year or so, The Lone Ranger, John Carter. These are movies that lost hundreds of millions
Starting point is 00:20:11 of dollars. And yet, looking through your book, it sounds like we're just going to keep seeing that scenario play out time and time again. Why is that? Well, yes, absolutely. I think we'll see that scenario play out more in the future. And it's because making these blockbuster movies as risky as it is actually is probably the best way to go for these movie studios. Spreading their resources across a larger number of smaller vets. So making, instead of these three to five ten-pole movies, making maybe 15 smaller movies is actually much riskier, would have much greater chance of failure. So making these big blockbuster movies still is their best bet. One of the businesses that you cite that has employed this blockbuster strategy with great
Starting point is 00:21:01 success is Warner Brothers. What are they doing that other movie studios aren't doing? Well, what I learned about Warner Brothers is that Alan Horn, who was in charge, was the COO with the Greenlight decision at the time that I've studied the studio. So from 1999 to 2011, he was in charge of what movies were being made. And what he did really well, and I think more so than any other studio at the time, was to make the blockbuster strategy truly a strategy. So not to just make one-off bets on blockbusters, but really, from the get-go, in a given year, say, these are the three to five big bets we're going to be making, and we know this going in, we're going to be making sure that we dedicate all the resources that we have
Starting point is 00:21:49 to those films, and everything else gets planned around it. So he was truly living the blockbuster strategy and that paid off dividends for the studio. They had, under his leadership, 11 consecutive years of over a billion dollars at the box office in the U.S. and even more money in box office around the world. In the last decade, there was a popular business theory called The Long Tail, a very popular book as a result of that. And it basically says that the low cost of digital distribution would enable companies to make small amounts of money off a huge range of book titles, music styles, movie genres. I remember when that theory was really being pushed, when the book came out and it seemed to make sense. Why didn't it really play out that way?
Starting point is 00:22:44 Well, I think, I mean, it played out in some ways, right? So we see it on the supply side. We see that there is an enormous abundance of product in the marketplace. We see, in a way, or in terms of the long-tail theory, we see a very long tail being offered to us. Amazon is offering many more books than your Barnes & Noble physical store will. And Netflix is offering a lot more films than we would see previously at Blockbuster, the DVD rental store. But the problem is that demand isn't necessarily following that supply. So, yeah, there's some consumption that moves to the tail, but the products that really benefit from the increased access, from the lower costs that go along with offering these products, are the products that were popular to begin with.
Starting point is 00:23:31 It's the hits that are getting bigger, and it's not necessarily demand, as Chris Anderson predicted, moving to the tail. In fact, we're seeing bigger win-or-take-all markets, and it's actually quite difficult for many of these businesses that have these really long-tail assortments to make the long-tail pay for itself. You're listening to Motley Fool Money, talking with Anita Albersi. Her new book is Blockbusters, Hit-Making, Risk-Taking, and the Big Business of Entertainment. One of the things you write about is the entertainment industry today does not reward playing it safe. And one example in the television industry is NBC, which, frankly, it wasn't that long ago that NBC was far and away the number one broadcast television network. Where did they go wrong? Well, I think they went wrong with Jeff Zucker saying that the time was right for what he called a managing for margin strategy.
Starting point is 00:24:28 So he looked at the landscape, and he was getting scared, I think, about the big bets that were necessary to make these television shows on an ongoing basis. And, I mean, that's an understandable fear to have. There was an enormous expense in terms of the formats and in terms of the A-list stars and in terms of the pilots that were being produced and often weren't very predictive of the appeal of the show. So he said we should scale that back. We should focus on cheaper formats. We should focus on lesser-known stars, and we shouldn't really be spending our money on these very expensive pilots. And he said we should focus much less on the ratings. We should focus on the profitability of these individual shows,
Starting point is 00:25:08 and the way to do that would be to try to bring the cost down. The problem with that is that it actually increases the chance of failure, and that, I think, is the biggest explanation for NBC dropping from being the number one in terms of ratings to the number four in terms of ratings. And more importantly, and actually more disturbingly for Zucker, profit margins also falling across the board. So it's been a strategy that on the face of it seems to actually reduce risk. But when you look at how it turned out, it actually invited risk and a higher chance of failure. One of the things we talk about at The Motley Fool is something we call the battle for the living room, which it seems is getting just more and more
Starting point is 00:25:51 crowded. It's not just television networks. It's cable companies like Comcast. It is, as you mentioned, Netflix, Amazon, YouTube, Hulu. What do you think the future of television is going to look like? So for me, this is one of the more fascinating aspects of today's entertainment world. If I knew the answer 100%, I would not tell you. I would stop my thoughts and would make my millions. But I mean, I think it will be very different. I think what we're starting to see is that the linear nature of television is disappearing. And if you ask, if I talk about it with my students, and I ask how they are watching television, they watch television very differently from the way I even watch television, right? So they don't necessarily want to watch programs at
Starting point is 00:26:37 a certain time. And certainly not when programmers are saying they should be watching them. So I think the television will become a lot more non-linear. It's not about when they're being scheduled. It's much more about consuming them when you want to consume them. I think we'll see a fair amount of the network brands becoming less important. It's much more about the individual shows. Most people, I think, have a hard time, that are watching Hulu or that are watching Netflix, have a hard time even recalling what networks the shows that they love really are on. So I think we'll see the network brands decrease in importance. But what way in which these are going to be delivered to the home, I think, is the key question, right?
Starting point is 00:27:22 Will we still have the set-top box? Will we have some sort of Apple TV or Google device? And who will control what we get to see and how we pay for that? And will that be unbundled or bundled? I think there's still a lot of questions that are completely unresolved. And yet for everything you just said, it seems as though the one programming area where that does not apply is when it comes to live sports. So do you think that that wall is going to come crashing down anytime soon or will live sports still remain the way they are? I mean, I think we'll see a change a little bit. And I actually talk about this in the book. I've done case studies on the NFL and Major League Baseball Advanced Media,
Starting point is 00:28:05 which is the Internet arm or the online arm of Major League Baseball. And, I mean, I think they've been making changes. If you look at it, at both of these leagues, they've been drastically improving or enhancing the number of ways in which we as consumers can access their content. They've also, both of them have been going direct to the consumer. There's the NFL Network, there's MLB Network, there's NFL.com. MLB offers you a range of ways in which you can consume content online.
Starting point is 00:28:37 Will they go direct entirely? Will at some point we just consume NFL content from the NFL? I don't think that's going to happen anytime soon. I think they both realize that these network partners or the ESPNs of this world bring a lot to the table and help introduce their sport to more casual fans. And so they won't really jump headfirst into really big changes. But I think they are on the margin making quite significant changes. You mentioned sports, and I should mention it's not just movies and television that you study in your book that you research and write about,
Starting point is 00:29:12 but it is the music industry, it is the business of sports as well. LeBron James is someone who shows up in your book. I am curious, when you talk about companies, particularly in the film business, needing to spend money, needing to go after the big stars in television, that sort of thing, whether it is a team or a company that is seeking an endorsement, who gets more of the upside, the athlete or the company? That's a great question. And I think increasingly the answer there is the athlete or the celebrity or the personality because, frankly, they realize how much they bring to the table. And they've seen the enormous gains that some companies have made by employing these endorsers. And there's only a few endorsers that really make a difference.
Starting point is 00:30:00 There are only a few superstars that every company wants to work with. No one wants to work with the 37th most popular rapper. They all want to work with Jay-Z. and no one wants to work with a B player on the heat. They want to work with LeBron James and therefore that gives them enormous power. And what we've seen, which is something I described in my book, is that they are increasingly pushing for compensation models
Starting point is 00:30:24 that give them a huge share of the upside. So LeBron James is not really interested in getting a few million dollars as an upfront payment. He is asking for a share of the revenues of the brands that he endorses or he's asking for an equity stake in the companies that he's working with. And that has worked very well for him in the past, and I think it's setting him up to be a billion-dollar athlete and not just someone who gets tens of millions of dollars or even hundreds of millions of dollars. And that is very much, I think, the wave of the future.
Starting point is 00:30:55 You're listening to Motley Fool Money, talking with Anita Albersi. Her new book is Blockbusters, Hit-Making, Risk-Taking, and the Big Business of Entertainment. This is your first book. What surprised you the most when you were working on it? Wow, that's an interesting question. I'm not sure if there's something that really surprised me. I'd say what was interesting to see is how little the publishers actually do marketing. There's been quite a bit of a crunch in the book publishing industry, and they have actually quite, well, very few resources to bring to the table, I think, at the moment.
Starting point is 00:31:35 And advertising budgets for books are extremely low. In the book, actually, I give an example of Jay-Z and his book, Decoded. And I think most people would be surprised to know that this book that he released in 2010 had a $50,000 advertising budget. At least that's what Random House wanted to bring to the table. Now, if Jay-Z gets $50,000, you can only imagine what I get to market my book. So there's no surprise that Jay-Z sought a partnership with Microsoft, and Microsoft was actually willing to pay $2 million for this very innovative campaign that they did for the Decoded book,
Starting point is 00:32:13 and I describe how that unfolded in my book. Unfortunately, there was no electronic giant that said, Anita, we're going to give you $2 million to market your book. I'm still looking for a big company that steps up in a big way like that. Now you say that, but one of the things I discovered in my research for this interview is that your book party for the launch of your book was quite different from the average book party to launch a book. In fact, it was much more like a party that Jay-Z would have. Could you just share with our listeners how you came to have a book party at the Marquee Club?
Starting point is 00:32:51 Ah, yes. Well, I mean, I figured I'd live what I say in the book, right? So instead of doing a whole bunch of smaller parties. This is actually one of the things that surprised me. What happens when you write a book is a whole bunch of people say, I'd love to throw a party for you. And I thought, well, this is nice, but how many people will come to your party? I'd much rather combine all these offers and throw one big party to which all of these people invite their contact.
Starting point is 00:33:16 So that was the idea going in. And then the people at Marquis were kind enough to offer the space. Marquis is a nightclub that features in the case. I've studied them in the past five years. So there's an existing relationship. And they said, you can use the space. And I found a few sponsors willing to make it all possible. And again, not the $2 million kind of budgets, but they were kind enough to step up.
Starting point is 00:33:45 And yeah, and we had, I'd say, about 500, 600 people come to the book launch. The club was entirely ours, which is quite amazing, and LeBron James himself even showed up. Again, that's not the typical book party. You do realize that, though, right? I do realize that, yes. I also don't have the typical life of a professor, I'd say. So I'm slightly more used to it. I think that strange things happen in my life. But it was still a night that I have to remind myself actually happened occasionally because it was quite unusual. All right. We'll wrap up with a round of buy, sell, or hold.
Starting point is 00:34:25 He's replacing Jay Leno in 2014. Buy, sell, or hold Jimmy Fallon as host of The Tonight Show. Definitely a buy. Strong buy? You didn't even hesitate there. Oh, no. No, that's a strong buy, yes. It's going to be a huge success.
Starting point is 00:34:41 This is the latest purchase of Amazon CEO Jeff Bezos. Buy, sell, or hold? The Washington Post. Ooh, that one's more difficult. I'd say hold. And finally, at various times this year, he has been the most followed man on Twitter, and he has a new movie coming out on Christmas Day. Buy, sell, or hold? Justin Bieber. Hmm. I'd say sell. Really?
Starting point is 00:35:08 Yes. Because if Justin Bieber was a stock, he'd be trading incredibly high right now? Because I'm not sure if a stock can go any higher. So this would be the right time to sell. You heard it here first. The book is Blockbusters, Hitmaking, Risk-Taking, and the Big Business of Entertainment. It is already on Amazon's list of the best business books of 2013. So pick it up.
Starting point is 00:35:33 Anita, thanks so much for being here. Thanks so much for having me. Coming up, we'll give you an inside look at the stocks on our radar. This is Motley Fool Money. As always, people on the program may have interest in the stocks they talk about, and The Motley Fool may have formal recommendations for or against, so don't buy or sell stocks based solely on what you hear. I'm Chris Hill. Joining me in studio, Once again, Jason Moser, Charlie Travers, and Ron Gross. Guys, before we get to the stocks on our radar this week, I should mention we have a new special free report, The Motley
Starting point is 00:36:12 Fool's Top Stock for 2014. Speaking of stock ideas, it's a free research report you can get just by sending an email to topstockatfool.com. That's topstock, all one word, topstockatfool.com. It's a report from our Chief Investment Officer, Andy Cross. The Motley Fool's Top Stock for 2014. So, check it out. Ron Gross, you're up first. What do you got? Going with my beloved Costco, C-O-S-T. They report on Wednesday, we've owned the stock for years, but I've actually had it on hold for quite some time. Because at current prices, I don't see it as screamingly cheap, but I admire the company, as we've said, so much. And I'm really interested to see what they say. November same-star sales were disappointing to the street. And continuing
Starting point is 00:36:56 this retail theme of being concerned, I'm really, really interested to hear what they have to say. Steve Broido, question about Costco? If the economy tanks, does Costco do better or worse? I think they do better because the value proposition is there, and I don't think the $55 annual membership fee gets impacted in any significant way. You're not actually rooting for the economy to tank, though, are you? Absolutely not.
Starting point is 00:37:20 Just wanted to clear that up. Charlie Travers? MFC Industrial. The ticker is MIL. This company is in the natural resources and commodities business. It's a little bit convoluted as to what exactly they're doing. I will say they look to buy things like natural gas and iron ore properties on the cheap and then get more value for their shareholders that way. The stock is at like $7.50, book value is close to $12 a share.
Starting point is 00:37:46 I think it's dramatically undervalued. I'm watching it because there's a nasty proxy fight in process. 30% shareholders trying to get seats on the board, and the CEO and chairman is saying, no way. There are shareholder meetings later in December. We'll see if this unlocks some value. Steve? How did you find a stock like this? It was an old Hidden Gems recommendation. That's how I found it. Nice little plug for Motley Fool Research. All right, Jason Moser, we've got a minute left.
Starting point is 00:38:10 What do you got? Tweet, tweet. Keep an eye on Twitter. I think this is just a really interesting company here. We have the quiet period that just ended, so a lot of analysts' estimates and expectations, and some more research has come out of the company. It's funny to see the expectations cover the gamut from sell to buy and everywhere in between, but I think that really it all boils down to your timeline with this company. When you look at it from a five- to a ten-year perspective as a long-term holding, I think you have to be pretty positive on Twitter's relevance in today's society, especially as a media platform. I don't know
Starting point is 00:38:42 that it gets the credit it deserves there, but it's certainly one to keep an eye on. Maybe this will inspire Steve Broido to get on Twitter. And the ticker symbol? TWTR. Steve? And how will Twitter make money again? Well, the head- Prosciutto.
Starting point is 00:38:55 It's advertising, right? But they actually just released something yesterday, a new idea that's tailored audiences to target more advertisements to relevant audiences. And so it's basically an ad play at this point. All right. That's going to do it for this week's show. We'll see you next week.

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