Motley Fool Hidden Gems Investing - Prepare to Pass on Your Possessions
Episode Date: August 29, 2026n this next installment of our 2026 Financial Planning Challenge, host Robert Brokamp is joined by fellow Fool Stephanie Marini to discuss the most unpleasant area of financial planning: estate planni...ng. But it’s necessary, because while it’s nearly impossible to predict the future when it comes to most aspects of personal finance, there’s one thing we can guarantee: You and everyone you know will one day pass away – leaving assets and stuff behind to be divvied up. Topics covered:-While it’s important to seek the counsel of an attorney in your state, you can do a lot of estate planning on your own by updating beneficiary, payable on death, and transfer on death designations on your accounts and insurance policies-What should be included in your will-When to consider a trust-Creating your “financial vault” – the document that will let your loved ones know what to do and where to find everything when you’re no longer able to manage your finances (temporarily or eternally) Host: Robert Brokamp, CFP®, EAGuest: Stephanie Marini, CFP®, CRPC®Engineer: Bart Shannon Disclosure: Advertisements are sponsored content and provided for informational purposes only. The Motley Fool and its affiliates (collectively, “TMF”) do not endorse, recommend, or verify the accuracy or completeness of the statements made within advertisements. TMF is not involved in the offer, sale, or solicitation of any securities advertised herein and makes no representations regarding the suitability, or risks associated with any investment opportunity presented. Investors should conduct their own due diligence and consult with legal, tax, and financial advisors before making any investment decisions. TMF assumes no responsibility for any losses or damages arising from this advertisement. We’re committed to transparency: All personal opinions in advertisements from Fools are their own. The product advertised in this episode was loaned to TMF and was returned after a test period or the product advertised in this episode was purchased by TMF. Advertiser has paid for the sponsorship of this episode. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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Prepare to pass on your possessions because it's eventually going to happen. That's right,
we're talking estate planning on this Saturday, personal finance edition of the Motley Fool
Hidden Gems Investing Podcast. I'm Robert Brokamp and welcome to the next installment
of our 2026 Financial Planning Challenge. A few days early, usually you publish each
episode of our year well planned series on the first Saturday of the month, but we figured
this Saturday was close enough. And today we're going to cover perhaps the most unpleasant aspect
of financial planning, estate planning. But it's necessary because while it's nearly impossible to
predict the future when it comes to most aspects of personal finance, there's one thing we can
guarantee and it's that you, me, and everyone we know will one day pass away leaving assets and
step behind to be divvied up. Here to join me to talk about what you should do to ensure that all
your assets go to who you want as quickly and efficiently as possible is my foolish colleague,
Certified Financial Planner, Stephanie Marini. Welcome back, Stephanie.
Thanks so much for having me. I know this may be weird to admit, but I actually really like this
topic, so I'm excited to go through it. Okay, you weirdo. Actually, just kidding. I like talking
about this topic too because estate planning is really the one aspect of financial planning that
everyone needs, yet it's the one that's among the most neglected, right? According to the Pew
Research Center, less than a third of adults have a will, which is just one aspect of estate
planning. So let's start with the fundamentals. What's your definition of estate planning and
what it entails? Estate planning to me is making sure that your wishes are clearly defined so that
your assets can be transferred the way you want. So more importantly, though, estate planning is
a way to take the stress off of your loved ones to help make the decisions for them ahead of time.
And I love that part because estate planning isn't just a collection of documents. It's really a gift to your family. A thorough estate plan is going to save them time, money, hassle, maybe having to hire a lawyer, and really potential family strife because without an estate plan, what fills the void? Sometimes fights, disagreements, resentments.
So it's important to do all that now so that when you are gone, your family has mostly pleasant memories and not family fights.
In this episode, we're going to cover some estate planning essentials at a pretty high level and then dig deeper into creating a document that will provide a roadmap to follow if something happens to you.
And first, I'm going to start with the standard advice that you really should see and experience
the estate planning attorney in your state to actually do your plan, because a lot of estate
planning laws are very specific to each state. That said, I'm often a little reluctant to say
that because then people think, well, I can't do any estate planning until I get an attorney.
But that's actually not true. You can get an awful lot done today, right after you're done
listening to this episode without a lawyer's help. So Stephanie, tell us about how beneficiary
designations as well as payable on death and transfer on death designations can do a lot of
the heavy lifting when it comes to estate planning. So I think you hit the nail on the head. Most
people, I would imagine, avoid estate planning because they think it's this big thing. They have
to hire a lawyer, get all of the documents, like taxes, but on steroids. But in reality, there's a
lot that an individual can handle that would help further the process along. So for most account
types, 401ks, IRAs, brokerage accounts, even down to checking and savings account, high yield
account, high yield savings accounts, there is a way to designate a beneficiary directly. Usually
that happens during account opening, but it can be modified at any time. And it's so that you,
the account owner, can directly name the person and percentage that your account will go to upon
death. So this is huge because these designations allow the account to avoid probate and go
directly to the individual based on your wishes. So often there's even a way to designate a
secondary beneficiary. So as an example, for my individual brokerage account, I have my husband
listed as the primary beneficiary at 100%, but then my two kids are listed as secondary beneficiaries
at 50% each. So I think it's a great place to start because it's a step that usually takes
less than 15 minutes, oftentimes you can do it through your online portal. And it's a low lift,
high reward step in a state planning process. Life insurance policies to that as well,
something that you put the beneficiary designation on. And when you think of
the accounts and assets that you own, this pretty much takes care of most of the net worth for a lot
of Americans. And you mentioned probate, which is the legal process that takes place after someone
dies. It involves all kinds of steps, proving in court that a will is valid, identifying and
inventorying the person's property, maybe having it appraised and then distributing the property.
Depending on the state, this can be time consuming. It can be costly. And in most
situations, you really want to do all you can to bypass probate. And these beneficiary POD,
TOD designations can do that. And in some states, property like a house or a car could have one of
these designations. It's usually done on the deed or the title. So find out what's possible in your
state. Now, we just mentioned wills, which are often considered the foundation of an estate
plan. So what are some of the most compelling reasons to get or update your will? So bear with
me because this is a stretch, but I've heard an argument made about prenups that I think
really applies in this situation too. Everybody already has a will. It's either you have drawn
one up or the state has drawn one up for you. Because like you mentioned, most of estate
planning is handled at the state level with individual law, individual state laws, and they
determine what, how assets are passed down. So do you know what your state's laws are? Are you happy
with them? I, you know, I'm going to be honest. I didn't have a will until I had kids. I probably
should have had one sooner, but as soon as kids were involved and you needed to get done. But the
will is a legal document that provides direction for executing all of your wishes. It should
encompass things like accounts, physical assets, house, but also includes things like guardian for
your children and allows you the power to name an executor for the person who is going to be the one
to execute the will and your wishes. I do think that everyone should have a will right now. We
can touch a little bit more on that later. But even as single in my early 20s, my parents wouldn't
have known where my accounts were or who my health insurance provider was. I lived on my own.
It would have been a major headache for them if something had happened to me.
So even after you get an initial will set up, I'd say things like major life events,
age milestones should really be those pillars for when to get a will updated. Check in to see
if things have changed. If you're looking at those life milestones, new kids, blended families,
retirement, those are all great life milestones. And then from an age front, I like 10-year
increments, 40, 50, 60, 72, specifically before RMDs start. Not that all of these would involve
a full will rewrite, but it's a good touch point of does everything still make sense? Is everything
still the same? Do we need to make adjustments? Just from a time-based perspective, I think every
three to five years, even if you haven't had a major life event, it's a good idea to look at
your estate plan and see if it needs updating. My wife and I actually are in the process of doing
that ourselves. And you touched on the personal property part, right? And we all have a lot of
stuff. Furniture, clothes, jewelry, art, collectibles, you know, on and on. Closets are
full, garages are full. And this stuff may not seem as important as who gets your IRA or 401k,
but attorneys will tell you that some of the biggest family fights are over who gets stuff
like a treasured family heirloom or some other item with sentimental value. So you can direct
in your will who gets this stuff. It could be directly in the will. Sometimes it's in an
accompanying document, usually known as the personal property memorandum. And part of this
could be asking the people who you're going to leave stuff to, like your kids, like what of our
items do you want? And if there's a situation where like two or three kids want the same item,
you work that out now, put it in your will, so there's not a fight after you're gone.
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All right, let's move on to one of the more complicated questions when it comes to estate
planning, and that is whether someone needs a trust. So Stephanie, what do you see as the
most compelling reasons to get a trust? I'm going to say complexity. And I know that that's a really
generic answer when it comes to a complicated question. But ultimately, it's one that that
one needs to be decided with an attorney in your specific state with your specific circumstances.
But the families that have additional complexities are going to need those extra
protections in place. Maybe there are extra instructions for their loved ones. So we're
talking businesses that are going to be handed down. We're talking about maybe blended families
or contentious families, something that needs a little bit more than asset one goes to kid two.
So it could be many different reasons, but ultimately, if it's something more
challenging or difficult than that, I would get an attorney involved.
Yeah. And I'll just point out that if you're getting a trust that is going to increase the
cost of your estate plan. That's why it's somewhat debatable because you generally don't want to pay
for a trust if you don't need it. But in many situations, it is the absolute right thing to
have. A couple other benefits to highlight is that assets held in trust do bypass probate. So
that's a big benefit. And they're definitely worth considering if your heirs perhaps shouldn't
inherit all their money all at once. And it may be they have special needs and they can't handle
the money or the money that having it in trust protects them so that they can get some government
benefits. Maybe your heirs have addiction challenges, or maybe they just don't have
good financial habits, or maybe they're married to someone who doesn't have good financial habits.
So a trust is a way to have some control beyond the grave, as they say, and dictate how the money
is managed and how it will be distributed. All right, so those are the estate planning
essentials. There's a lot more to talk about with all these documents, but again, you really should
see a qualified attorney for doing that. But now let's move on to an important document that should
be a part of an estate plan, but I think it's often neglected. In fact, even many attorneys
don't bring this up. So Stephanie, tell us about the financial vault. So circling back to things
that we have control over without going through an attorney, I'm going to be honest, it doesn't
have legal standing. But what I'm calling a financial vault is an inventory of all things
finance in one spot. So not just account types, but it's something that you'd want immediately
accessible and that you'd want your executor to have access to. So we're talking about things
like not just having the account listed out, but where it is, what is a login for it, and what are
some first steps that needs to be taken. So it's that resource that your loved ones can use as that
Matt during an already emotional time for them. And I'll just highlight that it could also be
helpful if not only in death, but if you ever become incapacitated, right? You're in an accident,
you're in a coma, something like that, and someone has to take over your finances while
you're incapacitated. All this information will help them manage your finances while you recover.
And I'll just say the process of doing this is a great way to go over your finances because you
and your spouse, if you're married, have to look at everything you own and put all that information
in one place. So it's a great way to really think about your entire financial empire.
I would add, even from, you know, when my husband and I went through the will process and we did
have to create some type of financial vault. I mean, I'm in this world. And two weeks later,
I remembered things that I didn't include on that list. So starting that process now and then adding
to it. And again, this is not, this financial vault is not a legal document, but it is something
that would consolidate all the information together so that your loved one can access it
and then access the account further. Let's go through each section of the document and highlight
what's important, starting with the vault setup. So I would say the vault setup is where is this
information going to be stored? Is it like a one password digital site? I know that's been
become very popular? Is it a file cabinet? Is it a safe? I'm not saying you have to share your
passwords to your loved one today, but there should be one place to go where this is consolidated and
where the resources will be. So that's the first set of the setup. Where is it going to be and how
will you let somebody know where that place is? And there's so many options here. There's the
virtual, you know, I've heard about on a podcast where someone's dad just told the podcast host,
if I die, there's a file on my desktop, which is called titled, if I die, that's all the
information, or it's in a box or a safe, but you just have to decide where you're going to put it
and then tell the select few people who need to know where to find it.
Right. And a key part of this vault is going to be the account inventory. What's that?
Pretty straightforward, right? The list of accounts, and I would include,
make sure to include crypto, but again, including the accounts listed out,
maybe what they're used for, or maybe what payments come out from which account. So that
if someone, like you said, you are incapacitated, that someone could come in and take over and
manage your financial life. So what the accounts are, maybe what they're used for, what automatic
transfers come, but then including a login and password, maybe even a customer service number
to reduce that number of steps that your loved one would have to take in order to get that access
and see what they need to see. Think about it, like without this, if something were to happen
to you, how would your relatives know where to find everything? This is almost, I mean,
it's essential to tell people not only your accounts, but all the other policies and everything
you own. Well, and I would say, especially in today's age, think about how spread out that
information is. I mean, we don't live in an age where it's your local bank down the street where
John knows you, your family, your mom, your dad. Nobody's lived more than five miles apart.
They've watched you grow up, right? Not only are we spread across geography, but I can bank
somewhere that might not even be in North Carolina because of today's digital age. And then to take
it a step further, based on the resources available at my job, the resources as I've changed jobs,
there could be accounts all over the place. I mean, retirement accounts, old retirement accounts,
where's your health insurance? Where's your life insurance? There's a lot. How could anybody,
even the closest people in my life, I don't even think my husband might know everything
off the top of his head. And if you think about if something happened to me,
I hope he would be mourning or at least overwhelmed that it wouldn't come to mind
right away. So really, this is just putting it all together in one lovely document and resource
for your family to use you mentioned crypto but boy that's particularly important because people
have all kinds of ways of storing crypto wallets and and usbs and the passwords uh you know they're
usually not held at schwab and vanguard where you could find out if there's an account there so
just do an online search for articles about people losing access to their family members
crypto because they didn't have the right information so you definitely want to get
that down somewhere. All right. The next section you should have in your vault is information about
executors and guardianship. So if you have kids, you never want to think about this, but you have
to think about it. What happens if you're not around to take care of them? And this is where
I could see it getting very, very messy within families because everyone hopefully loves you
and wants the best for your children. And everyone thinks that they know best for your children. So
having a written out executor and guardianship for your kids. And I would also, you know, make
sure that is clearly communicate to those parties responsible so that it isn't a surprise, I think
is important. But this should also be included because if there are kids involved, there are
immediate decisions that need to be made. And so having those available and what instructions with
what those wishes are is very important. With the executor, it's always important to just choose
someone ideally in your state and someone who's very detail oriented. And you might want to list
a backup because you can't make someone be an executor. Someone might say, yeah, I'll be the
executor. And then they change their mind later. And I will say too, as someone who's been an
executor, if you take on that responsibility, you should ask for this document and as much
information as that person is willing to share, because you're going to be on the hook for a lot
once you become the executor. And since you mentioned kids with guardianship, I'll also
point out, it could also be older adults. So we have a former Foolish colleague whose
brother was the guardian for their mother, and then his brother passed away. And he had to step
in and be the guardian for his mother, but then find where all the accounts were and all that
stuff, too. So that's another thing to think about.
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all right let's move on to life insurance so i think life insurance is separate i kept it
separate for from the account side of things because it is often that separate line item
again a lot of times there are beneficiary designations but this one i kept because
it could also have been from a current employer established a long time ago and then forgotten
about but knowing what life insurances are available to heirs or to the estate as a whole
should something happen to you is important and not always something that people think about again
it's not something that you might get a statement for every week or every month and so if someone
is stepping into your life they might not even know it exists that's not something that's talked
about on a Sunday dinner table oftentimes. So it should be, it needs to be included in this type
of list, in this type of vault. And since you mentioned employer, you might want to include
information from like your HR department because you don't know what employee benefits may be due
to you or some other thing you had, like a flexible spending account, a company stock.
So you want to have someone at the company to be able to reach out to. And I guess you could
expand it to really any professional, your financial planner, your accountant, someone else
that you think is a professional knows your situation who someone should contact if they need
to. Let's move on to a relatively new development and that is platform legacy settings. So this is
a new problem, new generation, but with so much being controlled and saved on our phones, our
devices or computers, having access to that cloud storage and just technology is important to set up
ahead of time. So similarly to beneficiaries, that's something you can do now, but set up a
trusted contact with Apple, Google, that would be able to be named so they can access, again,
cloud storage, your phone, your history, either after a certain waiting period or providing
medical legal documentations. Yeah. And this includes social media too, right? Facebook has
certain settings, like anything that you want some data access to. I just think it's interesting to
think about, do you want your Facebook account to continue beyond when you've passed away? You
might, or you might not. But so whole set of things that, you know, 20, 30 years ago, people
weren't thinking about, but certainly worth thinking about today. All right. As a final part
of it you might want to have a letter of instruction even though it comes at the beginning
tell us about the letter of instruction so i'm thinking about this is like a cover letter
so what you're about to find behind all of these behind this page it's all to come so a list of
maybe just two to three immediate steps that you're going to need to take a list of maybe two
to three red flags to watch out for but almost that cover letter table of contents uh style page
that should be front and center and then on top of all of this vault there could be other messages
if if you've been listening to this podcast for a while you've heard me mention um bob hasmiller
a longtime motley fool member who every year would update his what he called his letter from your
dead husband for his wife to look at because he handled the family finances. Sadly, Bob passed
away in 2016 and his wife. Sue wrote a book about what it was like to move on from Bob, but talked
about how valuable this letter was. And some of the aspects in that letter from Bob was very loving
messages to Sue and his family, but also advice of like who to turn to and who to avoid, right?
Like family members don't take any advice from these people. So anything like that, that you
just think people should know about moving on without you and handling your assets would be
very helpful. Okay. So this collection of documents is going to have a lot of sensitive
information. So Stephanie, any suggestions on where this should be kept?
So I mentioned 1Password early. I know that a lot of people are turning digital. I have to say I'm
super old school. I have a copy in our home safe and I have my sister is the closest person
in my life outside of my husband. And so she knows the code to that safe and knows what is
waiting for her should she need to go into it. So I'm really, really thankful to have a great
relationship with my family. I also am thankful that we are super open about a lot of these
things. So everybody's got a financial vault. We kind of use the same framework around it.
Some are thicker than others, depending on our life stage. But everybody has a person and knows
what steps they would need to take. And I also think it's important that you mentioned you
were an executor at one point. And it is cumbersome. It is labor intensive. And so
if you can be mindful of that, too. I come from a bigger family. I spread out the wealth a little
bit should something happen to us. And I think I'm very thankful for my parents who brought that up
because they knew not to give too much power to one person, more so from the emotional weight of
it all. Yeah. My wife and I have a box that's a kit and you can buy these kits online that walk
you through the process of inventorying all you have, providing the instructions and often comes
in a fireproof box or at least a fire resistant box. And we've told our four kids where to find
this if they ever need it. So that's how we've handled that. I will also add, because again,
I'm very thankful my family is open and we have this conversation. But one thing that came up was
my sister, who is the guardian or future guardian, if needed for my children, she asked questions and
she wanted additional information right front and handy. And so it did also prompt those
conversations. Her big thing was she wanted to know doctor's information right away. You know,
we are very close, but she doesn't live in my same town. So some of those daily tasks for my kids and
updating those as they get older, I think is another way to keep things up to date. But having
the conversation, making sure the person responsible feels comfortable having anything available for
them, they might have a preference. You know, if you're talking to your kids and how to store it
for them, that might be better digitally, especially if they're not close or nearby
proximity-wise. So I would add that to the mix. Well, Stephanie, any final thoughts about estate
planning? I would just say that I've watched families fight over very, very little, and
estate planning is not very little. I have felt myself personally like I was drowning in sadness
when I've had loved ones pass, and I could not imagine needing to put one foot in front of the
other and make steps with no map or no roadmap. So having things written out both legally through
a will, but then also more as this brain dump with financial, a financial vault has given me
a lot of peace of mind that I'm providing clarity and direction to my loved one should something
happen to me. I'll add that I strongly encourage you to reach out to your family, talk to them
about your estate plan,
but then nudge them to talk about theirs, right?
And you don't need to know all the details
unless they're your executor, by the way.
But otherwise, you don't need to know all the details.
But you do want to make sure that they have a plan
because if they don't,
you and the rest of your family
will be the people who pay the price.
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