Motley Fool Hidden Gems Investing - Surging Oil Prices Spark Market Jitters
Episode Date: March 9, 2026The Motley Fool’s Hidden Gems team discusses some historical disruptions in the energy market, explaining why they’re facing the uncertainties with timeless Motley Fool investing principles. The t...eam also talks about how trends in semiconductors are reshaping the S&P 500, as well as looking at why Hims and Hers stock is soaring. Jon Quast, Matt Frankel, and Rachel Warren discuss: -Oil’s rapid price increase and market jitters. -The S&P 500 reshuffling. -Trends in AI and data centers. -Hims and Hers stock’s big jump. Companies discussed: OXY, VRT, LITE, COHR, SATS, MTCH, MOH, LW, PAYC, ORCL, HIMS, NVO Host: Jon Quast Guests: Matt Frankel, Rachel Warren Engineer: Dan Boyd Disclosure: Advertisements are sponsored content and provided for informational purposes only. The Motley Fool and its affiliates (collectively, “TMF”) do not endorse, recommend, or verify the accuracy or completeness of the statements made within advertisements. TMF is not involved in the offer, sale, or solicitation of any securities advertised herein and makes no representations regarding the suitability, or risks associated with any investment opportunity presented. Investors should conduct their own due diligence and consult with legal, tax, and financial advisors before making any investment decisions. TMF assumes no responsibility for any losses or damages arising from this advertisement. We’re committed to transparency: All personal opinions in advertisements from Fools are their own. The product advertised in this episode was loaned to TMF and was returned after a test period or the product advertised in this episode was purchased by TMF. Advertiser has paid for the sponsorship of this episode. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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John Quast. Welcome to Motley Fool Money with the Hidden Gems team. I'm John Quast, joined
today by Foolish contributors, Rachel Warren and Matt Frankel. On the show today, we're
going to talk about some changes that are happening in the S&P 500, as well as some
seemingly important news for hims and hers stock. But first, let's go ahead and start with the big
news of the weekend. Oil prices surged over $100 per barrel. For perspective, it hasn't been above
$100 since 2022. And it started the year below $60 a barrel. So this is a big jump. It's actually
one of the sharpest increases in history. That's making some investors nervous. I was looking at
the fear and greed index just this morning, and it's hitting extreme fear levels. I think
some investors might say, look, okay, yeah, it's going to cost more to fill up my car maybe next
time I go to fill up for gas, but what is it about these high oil prices that really
changed my life, that really impact things? Why are investors panicking this morning?
Yeah, there's typically a few reasons that we see investors and therefore the market shows
signs of panic when there's a rapid surge in oil prices. And one of the major reasons is
most companies are essentially energy consumers, right? So higher oil prices, it raises the cost
of things like manufacturing, shipping, even powering the massive AI data centers that are
currently driving the tech boom. And then there's, of course, the concern that if this is a long-term
durable trend. This would make a company's expenses go up. There's the concern that some
of the businesses might struggle to raise their own prices fast enough. This could put pressure
on earnings. Right now, that risk, a lot of it is perceived. We're seeing that send stock prices
down across a range of sectors. And there's one other, I think, element to consider, too. You
know, oil can be a major driver of inflation. You know, we've seen crude cross that psychological
$100 per barrel mark. There, I think, is some concern that if this is to be a durable,
durable trend, this could force the Fed into a corner. Could they have to stop cutting interest
rates or even start raising them again to cool off rising prices? This is something that investors
hate. And then I think the final thing is that when people have to pay more at the pump, they
tend to have less discretionary income to spend on other things. And that, of course, can affect
a wide range of companies that face those discretionary expenditures. But it's still
early days. And I think that that's the very important thing to bear in mind here.
Yeah. I mean, what Rachel's describing is essentially stagflation, right? Prices rising
across the board, but it hurting economic growth at the same time. So it's not surprising to see
oil spike like this. In fact, I was kind of surprised it didn't spike even higher last week.
This is literally the largest supply disruption in history. About 20% of oil supply has been
disrupted for about nine days so far. That is significantly worse than the previous record.
If you're curious, that happened way back in 1956, the year my dad was born. Unlike previous
situations, there's no spare capacity available to help alleviate the problem. Just because of
where this war is, Saudi Arabia, the UAE, those are the two primary holders of spare capacity to
help with supply issues. Both are essentially right now cut off from the global oil market.
So, it's not just the supply cutoff that has caused oil prices to literally double in 2026
based on the overnight peak of what was around $120 a barrel. It's fear that this is going
to last a lot longer than people initially expected. We aren't really seeing significant
supply constraints yet. You're not seeing gas stations run out of gas, anything like that.
But it could get much worse. Rachel makes some really good points there.
I personally think the fear of consumers being squeezed even more than they already are is
one of the big reasons we're seeing investors panic so much. Consumers are fragile right
now due to inflation. This is why companies like Walmart that specialize in low prices
are doing so well. Having to spend 40%, 50%, 60% more on fuel and other energy costs could
be a tipping point. That's the big fear right now. Right now in the U.S., gas is up by 15%
over the past week. I don't know what it's up where Rachel is. But I wouldn't be surprised
to see it get even worse. I think it's more expensive over there normally.
Yeah, we're seeing spikes, and it's being felt really across a range of sectors,
which has been something that I think consumers are feeling very close to home.
Yeah, I had to fill up two vehicles yesterday, and it was not as fun as a month ago.
But this is so interesting. As I think about this, I don't really follow the oil industry
very closely. Personally, I don't think either of you do very much, maybe more than some,
but not as much as others out there who really focus on this space. I'm just thinking about
this big picture. Rachel, you're talking about the things that it impacts. Matt is talking about
it as well. As I zoom out, I think about how we invest as Fools. We're holders. We hold stocks,
generally speaking, for at least five years. We hold through market volatility. These are
big values that we have as an investing community. But Matt, you just mentioned that this being the
biggest supply chain shock in history. To me, it almost feels, our listeners out there might feel
like it's naive to apply foolish holding principles to this situation when it's kind of historic.
So I guess I'm saying, why are we not just waving our hands here at the situation? Why are we still
holders? Why is it still a good idea to hold our stocks through the market volatility when it is
something unprecedented? I don't mean this as a shot at anybody who's an oil bull, but this is
one of the reasons I don't own any oil stocks. It's one of the sectors that's really prone to
volatility that is completely outside of their control. You can run your company great, but
you're at the mercy of things like this. The great operators will continue to be great operators.
there's no need to panic and sell Chevron, for example. In fact, when I checked right before
we recorded this, Exxon and Chevron are the two of the only stocks that are up on my watch list
today. I'm more worried about the secondary effects. I don't think we're going to get a
full-on market crash because of this. But stocks that rely on discretionary spending in particular
could start to come under pressure if all those economic fears and price increases really start
playing out. Times like this are when it makes the most sense to apply that principle of holding
through market volatility. Ask anybody who's panicked and sold in the early days of the
COVID pandemic because they were afraid of, quote, things getting worse. They were right.
Things did get worse. But even after the recent market pullback, the S&P has more than doubled
from its all-time high before the COVID pandemic. So those who panicked and sold missed out.
So this is where those principles make the most sense.
Yeah. I mean, maintaining that long-term investment horizon during what we are seeing right now,
as well as other periods of extreme volatility. It's not naive, but I think it's important to
underscore. It's also, as retail investors, it is a statistical advantage. And I think that's
something that's really important to bear in mind. You know, we're seeing what's happening
with a lot of energy stocks right now. This is event-driven volatility, right? It hits the
markets fast. The businesses with the strongest modes, the healthiest balance sheets eventually
will adapt. Now, if you're looking at the market as a whole and you're seeing this volatility
impact the stocks you own. I think it's important to remember at this time, when you panic sell
a winner because of a temporary spike in crude, for example, that's having negative downward
pressure on different industries, you aren't just dodging a dip. You are incurring the investment
risk of missing that eventual recovery. And I think it's important for us to remember that
great companies are built to survive cycles in the market. Various cycles in the market are
inevitable. And the long-term compounding power of those businesses can usually far outweigh
even a one-year headwind in input costs that puts pressure on businesses.
And I think, obviously, there's been some concerns of a market downturn or crash. I don't think we're
there yet. But I will also note, as a long-term retail investor, this can be our best friend.
When we see stocks in a sell-off, and bear in mind, when there's these external triggers like
oil prices going up. The market rarely discriminates. It tends to punish struggling
stocks and compounding machines equally. And this can really, I think, create a very rare
window to harvest value in really robust businesses at depressed valuations. I think
sticking to our investment principles as long-term investors can prevent us from making emotional
decisions at the bottom of a cycle. And that is also where the most retail wealth is lost,
those emotional decisions that are made at the bottom of the cycle. So, you know, as long as
your underlying business thesis is intact, holding through the noise is key. Yeah. The late, great
Charlie Munger used to say the first rule of compounding is to never interrupt it unnecessarily.
Seems like a good thing to remember here. After the break, they're shaking up the S&P 500 again.
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Welcome back to Motley Fool Money with the Hidden Gems team.
So the S&P 500, when we talk about the market,
it. We're really normally talking about an index. Sometimes it's the Nasdaq, sometimes
the Dow Jones. But most of the time, for me, it's the S&P 500. This is a collection, per
se, of about 500 of the largest profitable U.S. companies. The list is always changing.
After the market closed on Friday, the selection committee announced four changes to the lineup.
And so, Match Group, Molina Healthcare, Lamb, Westin, and Paycom are all out.
And Vertiv, Lumentum, Coherent, and EchoStar are now in.
Rachel, when looking at this list, are there any here that you're sorry to see leave the S&P 500?
Or are there any newcomers here that you really like?
Yeah, I think it's worth noting.
So, the four companies leaving the index, these have all really underperformed the market over the last year.
They've been really consistently trading in the red, even as the broader market has rallied.
I think Match Group probably stuck out to be, I mean, this was once a growth darling, right?
But they've really struggled.
You know, Tinder, which is, of course, their flagship app, their monthly users have declined for multiple quarters.
So Match Group's moving to the S&P small cap 600.
And I think that's an example of a once growth-oriented favorite that is dealing with a turnaround that's taking much longer than investors had hoped.
But switching over to the newcomers list, this was really interesting.
I think the selection committee made a very clean sweep for AI and connectivity infrastructure
with these additions, all of which I think are up by triple digits over the last year.
So these have been all very high flyers in the market.
You look at Vertiv Holdings, for example, right?
This is a company with a near monopoly on liquid cooling and high density power systems
for data centers.
They have really, really strong organic growth rates.
They recently upgraded their investment grade credit rating.
You've got Lamentum and Coherent, their leaders in photonics, which is a market that's really
surging due to the 1.6T transceiver rollout. Basically, it's this major industry transition,
which is essential for GPUs to talk to each other within AI clusters. And then EchoStar
was also interesting. This is a key player in satellite infrastructure and space defense.
And they've really gotten a lot of attention from investors recently due to some different
SpaceX-related deals. So some intriguing plays that have been added to the index.
And that's normally how it works, right? Normally, it's businesses that are maybe declining,
the stock is going down, now it's no longer representative of one of those large U.S.
companies, and vice versa. Companies that are really, the business is booming, the stock is
going up, now it is more representative of that large-cap company. And I'm glad that you brought
up that for some of these, such as Vertiv and Coherent, for example, this is really playing
in on this semiconductor trend. Business is hot for all of those companies. And it's kind of
playing into these larger trends that we've been looking at in AI, in data centers. And some people
are afraid, of course, that we're reaching kind of a bubble territory because of how the funding
works out. And two of the main companies that are the source of fears for some investors would be
Oracle and OpenAI. And on Friday, Bloomberg reported that talks between these two companies
for a data center in Abilene, Texas, had broken down. The thought was that OpenAI can't get the
funding, and Oracle's running into this cash crunch. And now it turns out, Oracle reporting
yesterday that those reports about the Abilene site were false and incorrect. I mean, Matt,
what are your thoughts here on the AI spending chart? I mean, there's too much to keep up with,
honestly. But in my mind, the AI spending trend, it reminds me of what Warren Buffett said a few
years ago. I think it was Berkshire's 50th anniversary, how he said the 20% annual gains
that they return are not sustainable for the next 50 years, because at some point,
the numbers just get too big. And in this case, you literally can't have companies spending a
trillion dollars on AI infrastructure, which I think just between the Mag7, that's close to what
they're spending. And they keep doubling their spending year after year. That can't go on
indefinitely. A lot of it seems like, to me, circular spending is what I call it. For example,
OpenAI buys a lot of NVIDIA's chips. NVIDIA invests in OpenAI's next funding round,
essentially giving them their money back. OpenAI places new orders for NVIDIA chips.
The cycle just goes on. I don't necessarily think AI spending is in a bubble. It just can't keep
growing at this rate indefinitely. I do foresee a lot of long-tail demand, not just for GPUs and
data centers. But for other types of chips, for example, CPUs are likely to play a much bigger
role in the next wave of AI. And energy infrastructure to power all these things,
I see that as a big long-tailed driver of demand. So, I don't think we're in a bubble,
but I don't think the growth rate that everyone expects between now and 2030 is necessarily going
to happen. After the break, we'll chat about a stock that jumped 40% today.
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Welcome back to Motley Fool Money with the Hidden Gems team. For our final topic today,
HIMS and HERS stock is having itself a day. As of this taping, it's up about 40%.
This isn't a company I follow closely. So Rachel, why on earth is HIMS stock up so much today?
Well, for anyone who follows this business, it's been kind of a rocky road for the stock
over the last year. But HIMS and HERS just struck a massive, kind of unexpected partnership
with their former legal rival, Novo Nordisk. The deal is a significant game changer because it
basically ends what had been turning into this very high stakes legal feud over weight loss
drugs. Investors might remember that when there was a shortage of semaglutide, the FDA allowed
compounders like hims and hers to be able to manufacture duplicates as long as that shortage
was ongoing. That shortage ended over a year ago, and then they were sort of operating in this
gray area where they were able to sell individualized doses. But this sparked legal
action from Novo Nordisk. Well, now moving forward, HIMS is going to sell Novo's Blockbuster,
Regovi, and Ozempic directly through their platform. And so this has them selling FDA
approved brand name treatments rather than these copycat versions. And this comes after a few
weeks ago, we had a situation where Novo was suing HIMS for patent infringement. Now they're
partners. So this removes a massive legal cloud that had been overhanging the company.
It's worth noting that GLP-1 treatments are still a pretty small part of the business for
hims and hers. The revenue is growing at a really incredible clip. And they reported their first
full year of positive net income in 2025. So there are, I think, a lot of good news for the company
today. So ever since the GameStop drama a few years ago, it seems like investors are paying
a lot of attention to short interest and short squeezes more than ever. I did check this morning,
39% of the float for HIMS stock is sold short, according to YCharts. Matt, I guess my question
here for you is, why are investors so pessimistic about this business here, about HIMS? But two,
is this news with Novo Nordisk potentially something that causes short sellers to rethink
their assumptions. I realize that what I'm about to say is an oversimplification. Rachel can correct
me if I'm wrong. At least until today's news, for the past year or so, a big part of him's
business model was literally copying the products of a very deep-pocketed company that had the power
to fight back. I'm not that surprised at the high short interest. If I were to start a business that
made my own iPhones and called them iPhones, I would expect Apple to sue me. That's why investors
have been a little pessimistic. As she said, they were operating in a gray area. And I don't like
investing in companies that operate in gray areas of any kind. So today's price action could
absolutely be at least partially due to short sellers closing their positions. But on the other
hand, I would say it's a move that changes the business model for the better. Well, and that
change of the business model is something that we like to pay attention to. So thanks for pointing
that out. I wish we had more time to talk about it, but we are out of time for today. Rachel,
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