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It's the Motley Fool Money radio show. I'm Chris Hill. Joining me in studio this week
from Million Dollar Portfolio, Jason Moser and Matt Argersinger. And from Motley Fool,
deep value, Ron Gross. Good to see you as always, gentlemen.
Hey-o!
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Earnings Palooza rolls on. We will get to the latest results. In fact, so many stories
to get to that we don't have a guest this week. So, strap in, guys. You're in for the
long haul.
No one told me about this.
As always, we're going to give you an inside look at the stocks on our radar, but we will
begin with the big macro. 160,000 jobs added in April. The unemployment rate remains unchanged
at 5%. What do you think, Ron?
I don't want to be a Debbie Downer. There's a series of reports here that I'm
not in love with. The unemployment picture is not improving. We're kind of stuck where
we were. Unemployment rate holding steady at 5%, which, let's give the economy some
credit, that's pretty good from where we were years and years ago. GDP, pretty weak, only
0.5% growth in the first quarter. That's anemic. We've got an economy that's really not growing.
These employment numbers are not great. We did see wages tick up a bit, which we're always
happy to see, but I'm not loving where we're going here. I think there are a lot of folks
that are not feeling this recovery that we've experienced, really, over the last seven years.
if you haven't been in the stock market, you probably don't feel that things are that good.
And now, all of a sudden, it looks like things are kind of going on the down part of the cycle,
and people are saying, wait a minute. Well, if you do step back, though,
and take the long view, even with the latest numbers, I think we've averaged at least 200,000
jobs every month for five years. It doesn't really get much better than that, I think,
even if you go back to previous cycles. And I understand there's some definitely underlying
weakness. But, you know, that's pretty strong.
Now, let's step back and take an even bigger picture view here for a second. If we think
about the way things have progressed here, just in the last decade, if we talk about
Are we going back to before the wheel was invented?
Well, somewhere in the middle.
Somewhere in the middle. Revolutionary time?
Yeah.
Oh, okay.
If we think about the advancements in technology, we talk about unemployment, we talk about
wages. We think about it from a consumer's perspective. As technology continues to make
our lives better and better and better, it brings the cost of a lot of things down. At
the same time, it eliminates the need for a lot of that human capital out there.
I think even bigger picture, the concern has to be, at some point, do we become so dependent
on technology that this completely wipes out the need for human capital in a lot of these
job markets, at the same time bringing down wages? If you look at things like Amazon's
robots running their warehouses, for example, online banking, all of these kinds of things.
Just a little piecemeal of time there, but over the course of the coming decade and further,
do we need to look at a new normal for unemployment, either higher unemployment numbers or just
wages that get stuck? I was listening to a sports podcast that
I love to listen to, and the host actually said, his son asked him if he could go to
basketball camp this summer. His dad said, you can go to basketball camp, but I'm also
going to send you to coding camp, because that is really what students need to be learning
in this new economy.
Agreed. And I'm okay with 5% unemployment. That's a pretty good number. The U6, the broader
measures at 9.7, still not too bad. It's the GDP numbers that are more concerning to me.
Zero interest rates for a long, long period of time, just to get us where we are today.
There's not a lot of strings you can continue to pull if economic growth continues to go
down. Some countries have gone to negative interest rates, go figure that. So, that's
what concerns me.
O' Safe to assume that we're not going to be having a rate hike in June, as many
previously thought we would?
I think rates are going to stay put for quite some time.
O' Alright, let's get to some of the earnings news of the week. Tesla Motors lost
money in the first quarter, but that's not surprising. What was surprising was the company
moving up its production target of delivering 500,000 vehicles by two years. Matty, they're
delivering about, they're on pace to deliver about 50,000 this year, so by 2018 they're
going to deliver 10 times the number of vehicles?
What's 10X between friends, Chris? I thought Elon Musk on the shareholder letter
actually had the ultimate understatement. He said, increasing production five-fold over
the next two years will be challenging and will require some additional capital. Yes,
will definitely require additional capital. It will require, I think, Tesla becoming the
best manufacturer on Earth, which is what he actually said on the conference call. He
said, that's what we're aiming to do, and that's really the only way we'll be able to
get to some kind of number like that. They're really hoping by the end of the second quarter
to be at a rate of 2,000 units per week. Now, that would put them on an annual basis at
about 100,000, exiting the year. They're ramping up very fast, but getting to 500,000 is going
be going to take quite a lot. They have the Gigafactory coming online later this year.
That's ahead of schedule. But there's now doubt in my mind that they're going to have
to raise a lot more capital. Don't get me wrong, the aspiration to
be the greatest manufacturer on Earth is a wonderful one. But the clock is now ticking,
and it's set for two years earlier than it was before. So, it's not just, we want to
be the best manufacturer, it's, we want to be the best manufacturer in the next two years.
Well, not only that, I think it's also essentially being what no manufacturing company
has ever done in history. I'm not one to bet against Elon Musk, but that's going to be
quite an achievement.
I think the real story here is the nonchalance in Chris's voice there when he's
talking about Tesla losing money. He's like, yeah, we knew that was coming, that's no big
deal. I mean, at some point, you've got to put up or shut up, right?
Do they need to reach those production levels to justify the current value of the
stock?
If they reach those production levels, let me tell you, I think the stock's actually
cheap. So, I don't think they need to do that. The reason they need to hit that number
is because of the demand for the Model 3. If they have any hope, if you have any hope
as a Model 3 buyer to get your car before 2018, they really almost have to hit those
kind of production levels.
Priceline put up some nice profits in the first quarter, but the company lowered
guidance for Q2 and shares down more than 7% this week. I feel like we've seen this
movie before Jason, in terms of the guidance? Yeah, and a bit of a CEO problem
to just kind of act as the cherry on top there. I think with Priceline, this is really one
about what in the world does the future hold for these guys versus the performance they
logged this most recent quarter. Because the performance this most recent quarter was really
solid. Gross travel bookings were up 26%, and room nights booked jumped 31%. And that
is a pure demand indicator right there. That is a sign that the demand is there. They continue
to grow that network out as really the largest provider. They are notoriously pretty conservative
on their guidance. I think that has something to do with this here. But then, the CEO issues
that are plaguing them right now, that's going to have to be resolved. This is a difficult
industry to maneuver. There was a lot of negotiating that went on in building up this business.
I think that with Houston stepping down, and they're going to take it slowly, but they
really need to make sure that they find the right fit for the CEO to take this company
forward. Even though a lot of the hard work is done, this is still a very difficult industry
to maneuver, because it does require constant attention, constant negotiation, and that
is going to be key to really them being able to keep this thing growing.
I think shareholders should feel good about the fact that they did communicate,
they were very clear, yes, the CEO is gone, yes, we need a new one, no, we are not going
to rush this process. No, and I think that's the way you
have to look at that, because again, this is not just some business where anybody can
in there and fill his shoes. They really need to make sure they identify someone who's not
only very proficient with the market itself, but also has the inclination to stay there
for many years to come, and maybe not sleep with someone who works there.
Jason, I think you have a theorist who a good fit might be for that role.
Who's on the shortlist?
You look at some of the smartest minds in this industry, I think that Steve Koffer,
CEO at TripAdvisor is arguably the smartest mind in this business. Given what they're
doing at TripAdvisor, which is becoming more like a Priceline, you could do worse. If you
put Priceline and TripAdvisor together, that would be a straight-up market leader that
would plague competitors for years and years to come.
Shares of Whole Foods up this week after second quarter profits came in higher
than expected, but same-store sales were actually down. John Mackey, co-CEO, sits on the board
of directors here at The Motley Fool. I feel like this was a Rorschach test quarter. Depending
on what you feel about the company, you could find something that you liked or didn't like.
It's a competitive market out there, and they're really continuing to struggle.
2% traffic decline, almost a 1% basket size decline. They're attempting to discount and
promotions to help the business, but they're struggling. So, they're really turning to
this new 365 store chain concept to try to revive things. So, they had to cut full-year
guidance, sales and profits. They did buy back a lot of stock. They continue to do that.
I applaud that. But times are tough. They're struggling.
Will they give any color on when they're going to start rolling out the 365 stores
and how quickly? We'll see the first one this month
in May. They've signed 19 leases so far. That's really probably just the very beginning. I
expect to see a lot of them. But they'll go slow, test it, and see how it works. But I'm
hopeful that this will revive them. At least, let's see how it goes. But I'm hopeful.
Whole Foods always earned this premium, I mean mega premium, multiple in the market
because there was a lot of growth, they were doing something a little bit different, and
we've noted how, over the past few years, the competition has ratcheted up, and more
stores are really offering all of the same kind of stuff. I can't help but wonder if
this isn't the kind of space that's going to go the way of your drugstores, like CVS
and Walgreen, Rite Aid maybe even to a lesser degree, where it becomes less really about
where you get it, as far as the brand that you're buying it from, and more about what's
most convenient. Is it easier for me to get it from store A on the way home, or go a little
bit out of my way to store B. I think at the end of the day, all things being equal here,
it's a bit more about convenience. And on that note, I do think it's important that
Whole Foods is growing out their relationship with Instacart for delivery and things like
that. So, we'll see more and more of that stuff, I think, as time goes on, too.
I will say, since the stock has been relatively weak, certainly over the last year,
down almost 40%, that if they can figure this out, the stock looks relatively inexpensive
maybe six or seven times EBITDA at the moment. I'm in a wait-and-see mode. I'm a current
shareholder now. I'm not adding. But the stock's not expensive, so it could be interesting.
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Welcome back to Motley Fool Money. Chris Hill here in studio with Jason Moser, Matt Argersinger,
and Ron Gross. First quarter profits for Activision Blizzard were nearly double what Wall Street
was expecting. The video game maker also raised guidance for the current quarter. Looking
good, Matty.
It is. And I think it's time that we start talking about Activision Blizzard in
terms of its audience size, because it's pretty impressive. If you look at the monthly active
users, which they've started disclosing for their brands, up 10% to $55 million at Activision,
up 23% to $26 million at Blizzard, and of course, King Digital, up 3% sequentially there
since they closed the acquisition of $463 million. So, you're talking about a company
that has over 500 million active users. That puts it just behind WeChat, YouTube, and Facebook
in terms of audience size. O' Oh, WeChat. I didn't realize that.
Very popular, very popular. And CEO Bobby Kotick, I thought he made a good point
on the call, he said, our audience spent 42 billion hours playing or watching our games
games in the past 12 months, that's slightly more than people watch Netflix.
O' Wow.
They're talking a lot more about their audience at Activision. I think it speaks
to the popularity of interactive games, the continuing move to mobile on games, but also
just the digital sales of games. If you go back even five years ago, most gamers, the
way you'd buy games, you'd go to Walmart or GameStop, you'd spend $50, one game, several
weeks later, you're done playing with it, you move on to the next game. What's happened
now is that the lives of these games, and the revenue potential for these games, because
of updates or because of map packs and extra things you can buy, now the average revenue
of a game might be $100 or $150, and it might last a year or two longer. So, a lot of great
things happening in the video game space in general. Of course, Activision's the leader,
and I didn't even talk about esports, which of course is also a big future.
O' Remember years ago, when the stock just could not break out of its range, and
kept saying, they're putting up good numbers, they're putting up good numbers, recurring
revenue, move to digital, it's all going to work. It speaks to holding on to companies
that you believe in and that you really like the model of, and then the stock will come
around eventually. Yeah, exactly, Ron. I think it's that
perfect example of that coiled spring. Companies fundamentally get stronger and stronger, and
eventually the stock price just explodes higher. Zillow's first quarter loss was bigger
than expected, but the company raised guidance, and it must have been pretty rosy, Jason,
because the stock is up nearly 10% this week.
Yeah. I mean, to that point, I think at this stage in its life, Zillow is primarily
a revenue story. And so, anytime you can see raised guidance like that, I think the market
generally will receive it well. A very broad portfolio of brands now with Zillow, Trulia,
StreetEasy, HotPads, and there probably will be some more that come in there over the coming
years as well. They're focused on, really, four main priorities. Growing their audience
of users, which they continue to do. March traffic peaked at more than 166 million. Growing
their premier agent business, and you look at that segment, revenue grew 25% to 134.5
million for the quarter. Interestingly enough, on this note, this part of the business, they're
focusing on really more the high performers of premier agents, as opposed to trying to
grow this just vast network of agents. Because I think, not only do they want to be recognized
as the place where you can find anything real estate, but really the quality real estate
information out there. So, they're focused more on quality, less on volume there as far
as the agents go. And that actually is working out. I think that's a good long-term strategy.
The emerging marketplaces, which is a smaller part of the business, but mortgage, rental,
they continue to add new tools there, which continue to benefit the top line there. And
then this is a company that really prides itself on its culture, and being a company
that can attract and retain great talent. Ultimately, this is a tech company. I truly
believe that this is the new direction. This is the direction the real estate market is
going in most cases. It's going to give consumers more information, more access to that information
than ever before. Again, top-line story, the top-line's moving in the right direction.
I think, eventually, these guys pull back on spending a little bit, profitability will
really accelerate, and patient shareholders should be okay.
And I'll add, I think one thing going for them is that you do have this whole
millennial generation that, for many reasons, has not been able to purchase a home. In fact,
you do surveys, and it is a population, now the biggest population actually in the country,
and they do really want to buy homes. And I think that's a generation that grew up on
mobile, grew up on using things like Zillow. And so, I think that just means home transactions,
home buying and home selling, is still going to be tremendous in the years to come. And
that feeds right into Zillow's strengths.
It's interesting, my wife's a realtor, and so it's kind of a double-edged sword,
because it acts as a great way to get business, but sometimes you're fighting against the data
that people are reading that isn't exactly accurate. Everyone now thinks they're an expert.
The realtor has to come in and explain, let me explain the market to you, let me explain why
values may be not what you think they are. So you sometimes have to fight against all that
information that is flowing to people. First quarter profit and revenue for CVS
health coming in a little bit higher than expected, and the stock moving a little bit
higher, too, Ron?
Ron Grossman. The company's doing well, benefiting from all those Target pharmacies they took
on in the acquisition of Omnicare. Same-store sales are up 4%. Margins took a hit. What
we call reimbursement pressure continuing to weigh. Some of their product mix were kind
of hurting margins. So, adjusted EPS was only up 4%. But, pretty good. Guidance a bit weak,
week, but reiterated full year. So, I would say, everything's on track. The company continues
to execute well.
O' MercadoLibre is the most popular e-commerce business in Latin America. First quarter results
were surprising, but in a good way, Matty.
Surprising in a good way. It's tough to follow the top line in earnings results
for this company, because the currencies they deal in in Latin America are so volatile against
the U.S. dollar. Three metrics I really like to use, if you look at registered users, those
Those are up 20% to $152 million, so they're by far the leader in e-commerce in the region,
of course. Items Sold, which is my proxy for revenue growth, up 39% to 38 million units.
And then, Transactions on Mercadopega, which is their PayPal-like platform, up 86% to $27.5
million, which gives you an idea of the velocity of transactions across Mercadolibre's platform.
I love this company. I think if you really want to play e-commerce in emerging markets,
this is probably your best bet.
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Welcome back to Motley Fool Money. Chris Hill here in studio with Jason Moser, Matt Argesinger,
and Ron Gross. We'll get back to the news of the week in a second, guys. But I want to talk for a
minute, just a minute, about company guidance, because we reference this all the time. It is
always part of the story when it's earnings season. But I want to know how you guys use
this as stock analysts. And Matty, I'll just start with you.
Well, I do take management guidance pretty seriously. I think when management
sets expectations for the year or beyond that, it's a way for me to gauge what I think the
growth of the company could be. And it gives me ways to determine whether management is
able to control the destiny of the company, where they're able to reach goals. What I
don't take very seriously, of course, is street guidance you get from analysts and ...
Other than us.
Other than us. Unfortunately, a lot of companies are really good at playing the earnings
expectations management game. They're great at under-promising and over-delivering on
quarterly earnings calls. For me, I don't know what the actual statistics are, but I
I feel like every time I read an earnings release and you see the reaction, it's always,
well, this company beat by $0.02 or $0.03, or they beat revenue expectations by $10 million.
It's no longer a surprise. What is surprising is that the stock still reacts positively
in general to that, when it's really just all about a company managing expectations.
But Ron, let's just take a new company. If you start digging into a company and
you buy the stock, is that management on a tighter leash than a company that you've known
for a while and a management team that you've known for a while? Because I'm assuming that
it takes a little while to get a sense of how they are when it comes to offering guidance
and their vision for the near and long-term future.
That's fair. Some companies, some management teams are better than others at issuing guidance.
And some industries lend itself to guidance better.
Early-stage technology, fast-growing companies, it's very hard to nail that,
even if you're there every day managing the business.
More stable, blue-chippy-type companies, you can kind of nail that management guidance.
You can make it much tighter and not have to make as many revisions as you would with a high-tech company.
So I think if you're focusing on valuations and value, for example, like I do,
It is helpful to get management's thoughts on where a company is going to be a year from
now in terms of cash flow and profits. The quarterly guidance is a little too much for
me. It's a little too granular. They constantly have to update it. I would be fine with, let's
just stick for one year out. How does this year look like it's going to shape up? That
helps me to inform my models and make a decision about a stock.
Are you the same way, Jason? If you could wave a magic wand, companies don't
give quarterly guidance anymore?
Yeah, I wouldn't have a problem with that. I tend to always pay attention to what
management says they're going to do. I care more about what management says they're going
to do versus what any Wall Street analyst ever imagines they might be able to do. It
always makes me chuckle, businesses like TripAdvisor, for example, where they don't really offer
any guidance, other than just maybe a range of sales growth that they're looking at. But
you know very well that management there is geared towards three- and five-year timelines
there. So, it makes me chuckle the audacity of Wall Street to sit there every quarter
and say, oh, they missed analyst estimates by this much money. Well, those estimates
are just arbitrary guesses on your part. So, yeah, to Ron's point, some companies lend
themselves better than others to setting guidance. But for me, really, the important part is
is that management is doing what they say they're going to do. If that's happening,
and you see the business continuing to perform fundamentally well, over time, the stock market
is going to recognize those good businesses. It's just a matter of us being more patient.
We have to remember, earnings per share numbers, which are usually the most prominent
part of the earnings release, it's what analysts usually zero in on, and whether or not a company
missed or what they're guiding for in terms of EPS, those numbers can be so manipulative.
I don't want to get in the weeds here, but the bottom line is that those numbers can
be manipulated in a way that really any company, most companies, especially financial companies
or companies that have the ability to do that, can really report almost any number they want
in terms of earnings per share. So, just be very aware of that.
Something as simple as share buybacks, for example, they always chat that as being
such a great thing. Plenty of statistics out there to prove that companies are pretty bad
at it, but that's one very simple way they can reduce that share count and therefore
boost earnings per share, which, hey, that looks great, quarter, you beat the estimates
there and everything, but really, is that a sign that your business is performing?
And I'll just wrap it up by saying, if you're a long-term buy-and-hold type of investor,
you can absolutely ignore the quarterly noise. And you probably can even ignore the annual
noise, management guidance or analyst guidance, as long as you feel the company is on track
and building and growing over time, and management is making the right moves. The rest can get
a little bit too granular, can be too noisy, can lead you to make poor decisions, buy and
hold good companies that are executing well. You went in a slightly different direction.
I thought you were going to say, you can ignore the quarterly guidance, and you can ignore
the annual guidance, as long as you keep listening to Motley Fool.
That's what I meant to say! I thought that's where you were going.
Let's get back to some of the news of the week. Jason, you mentioned TripAdvisor. Expenses
in the second quarter rose more than 13%. That hurt their profits, and that hurt their
stock a little bit this week. Sure. A very good example, again, of one where analysts set out all
of these expectations based on zero guidance from TripAdvisor. We know how TripAdvisor, how Stephen
Coffer is running this business. They're making this move to instant booking to make TripAdvisor
not only the place where you get your information, but the place where you can book your hotels and
your attractions and places you want to go after consuming all of that information. They are
focusing on a four-phase plan here in this rollout. They gained Hotelier and OTA, Online
Travel Agency, partner adoption in 2015. They've done that. They've got a lot of hotels and
relationship there with Priceline on that instant booking platform. Execute the global
product launch. Check. That's happened now. They're in the middle of really trying to
perfect that experience and educate users that you can now actually go do that on TripAdvisor.
You can book a hotel there. And then after that, it's really, hey, let's continue to
delight our users, show them the capability, grow repeat purchases, that'll be something that
happens a little bit further down the road. But what this has all done, because there's a
difference in the way the revenue is booked on TripAdvisor now. It used to be something that
was recognized whenever the click was made. But now, if you're booking something on instant
booking, that revenue isn't recognized until the person actually makes the visit and stays at the
hotel. So, it delays the revenue recognition a little bit out. And that's why the top line is
slowing down here in the front half of the year. That will re-accelerate the back half
of this year and back into 2017. And again, a great example of a business with a longer-term
mindset there. And again, there's nothing out there quite like TripAdvisor. They have
such a great environment there of content, pictures, reviews, opinions, and a wonderful
mobile presence as well. So, this is one we continue to be very enthusiastic about in
Million Dollar Portfolio, especially.
Did they have to go back and restate revenue, because they said, we've been doing
this wrong? Or was it just a change in policy for going forward?
No, it was a change in policy. When they decided to go ahead and roll out instant
booking, it was something they were very clear with up front in saying, we've been growing
our top line 20-25% here these past five years. You're going to see, in the case of these
next two years, the revenue is going to slow down considerably, because No. 1, we're changing
our tack here and moving in a new direction, but No. 2, it's delaying a lot of that revenue
out. So, a couple of things that will accelerate this, creating awareness that you can actually
do this on TripAdvisor's platform, and then as the timing catches up. And again, we should
see more of that towards the back half of this year, definitely into 2017.
Herbalife's first quarter profits came in higher than expected. Stock up 12% on
Friday, and Bill Ackman's billion-dollar bet against this company really isn't working
out well. Stock's up 40% over the last year.
two stories going on. There's the activist component with Acme attacking them using words
like pyramid scheme. Those are big words, right? And then there's, how's the company
executing? And the company continues to put up relatively decent numbers. Sales are up
11% if you exclude currency effects, and they raise guidance for the year. So, they continue
to do well. I think the stock is actually moving on the news that they're in advanced
talks with the FTC to settle some of these things that perhaps Mr. Ackman was accusing them of.
They've said that a fine could be as much as $200 million, which for a $6 billion company
actually isn't that bad. So I probably think some people kind of heaved a sigh of relief there and
sent the stock up higher. But they said there's a number of open issues with the FTC, a range of
possible outcomes, including potential litigation or perhaps a settlement. So there's a lot of open
items here, but I think people are saying, okay, it looks like we're going to have a
resolution here, and then the stock will trade as the company executes.
This week it became official, the big merger between Halliburton and Baker Hughes
was called off, but don't cry for Baker Hughes, they got a lovely parting gift in the form
of a $3.5 billion check. Boy, as breakup fees go, Jason, that is phenomenal for them. And
And yet, both stocks down this week. I get why Halliburton is down, because they've got
to write a big check. Is Baker Hughes down because people are looking at this company
and thinking they are just in a much more troubled state than Halliburton?
Well, I think it brings more uncertainty into the picture, which we know how the market
reacts to uncertainty. A couple of things here. Halliburton is going to be just fine.
They have the financials to bear this, though it does bring into question, I think, leadership.
You have to wonder, were they entering this transaction perhaps a little overconfident,
a little cocky? I don't know, I think it could be probably argued that you could at least
ask that question. If we go back in time, we find someone
at Halliburton Management saying, oh yeah, go ahead, add in a $3.5 billion break. This
thing's a lock. This thing's going through, no problem.
That's something worth at least looking into. There's a lot of money that seems to
be wasted in this industry. For Baker Hughes, again, it brings some more uncertainty into
the picture for them, because there are a number of different strategic initiatives
they need to examine with the business, particularly now that they're not going to be a part of
something bigger. But the interesting thing I think here, and actually, we talk a lot
about share buybacks and really how so many companies do such a poor job at them. This
is an interesting situation, though, because Baker Hughes Management is talking about wanting
to return value to shareholders. This is some found money, really, isn't it? This is money
that they didn't have to do anything for. They talked about using some of this cash
to buy back shares. In this case, I think this could work out pretty well, because most
energy stocks, and Baker Hughes is no exception, are in the tank right now. You want to buy
back those shares when the market is really taking you to the shed. It could be argued
that they are buying these shares back at an opportunistic time. They have the financial
resources to bear this storm. And I think, when all things are said and done, this could
be actually a nice little opportunity for Baker Hughes shareholders if they can hang on.
In terms of Halliburton's case, I think if you ask Paul or us on the MDP team,
we wanted to see this merger go through, because I think it created a lot of competitive advantages
for both companies, as a combined company. At the same time, though, any time I see a
big acquisition or merger unfold, and the company's allowed to be separate, generally,
I don't feel too bad about that. Especially when it's a big one like this, these acquisitions
don't often create a lot of value down the road. Companies are usually, over time, better
off staying standalone. Do you expect Halliburton to go shopping
for a smaller acquisition? Obviously, this was a much bigger one with Baker Hughes, but
do you think that they're itching to buy something?
I think so. If you saw the conference call that Halliburton did, it's remarkable
that essentially every oil and gas service company is losing money now. So, you can imagine
how that affects a company like Halliburton or Baker Hughes or Shumbler Lane, but imagine
what's happening to the smaller players who don't have as many combat advantages or the
balance sheet. So, I think there's going to be room for Halliburton to probably make some
small acquisitions, especially during this still negative period in the cycle.
Yeah, I think this is probably a deal that was more important for Baker Hughes
than it was for Halliburton. I think Baker Hughes really needed Halliburton more than
the other way around. But at the end of the day, they'll both still be OK.
Coming up, we'll give you an inside look at the stocks on our radar. Stay right here,
this is Motley Fool Money.
As always, people on the program may have interest in the stocks they talk about, and
Motley Fool may have formal recommendations for or against, so don't buy or sell stocks
based solely on what you hear. Welcome back to Motley Fool Money, Chris Hill, here in
studio with Jason Moser, Matt Argersinger, and Ron Gross. After years of poultry supply
problems in China, KFC is starting to turn things around, guys. Sales in China rose 12%
in the first quarter of this year, and now the company has unveiled a new offering, KFC
polish. Working with the good people at McCormick, the spice company that provides KFC's secret
mix of 11 herbs and spices, the nail polish comes in two flavors, original and hot and
spicy. And I say flavors because it's edible nail polish. This might be the worst idea
in the history of everything.
No extra crispy.
So I would understand, like, scratch and sniff, like on a cherry-scented, are you supposed
to actually start sucking on your fingers and then eat it?
You can. Let me just play devil's advocate. If you're the producers of this nail
polish, don't you want people to run out of nail polish as quickly as possible? So, instead
of waiting for people to chip their nails, it's like, no, just wear it, and then at the
end of the day, lick it off, and then they're flying off the shelves.
This is the end of Western civilization.
I mean, as the father of daughters, there's more nail polish in my house than
Nike's got sneakers. So, I don't know that this would be any different than any of the
other stuff that they have in there. It seems like it lasts about a day, anyway. But I really
think this is interesting from the McCormick perspective, right? I mean, are we talking
about a new potential revenue stream here?
O' Can you get a side of fries on your toenails?
McCormick has found a way from your kitchen into your bathroom.
O' I just thought of this. The reason I kind of like it, even though I'm a little
a little speechless here, just the thought of it. But, the whole nail polish removal
chemical scent that invades my apartment, I'm sure your guys' house is at least once
or twice a month, that kind of goes out the door, right? Because, essentially, my wife
is ... Yeah, maybe you're not really trying
to pull this stuff off, it just disappears after you're done licking.
I'm sure there are some upsides, although I was bouncing this idea off our colleague
Melissa Malinowski, who heads up our office ops team here at The Motley Fool. She was
immediately horrified by the idea, and brought up something that I had not thought of, which
is animals. If you have a dog or a cat, and you're feeding them, what does this do for
them? Particularly if we're talking about the hot and spicy.
I have two. But if this catches on, if this does catch on, what's coming next? Pepperoni
pizza? Do I need to state the obvious timing
I mean, with Mother's Day, just a couple of ticks of the clock away here.
If any listeners want to test this out for us, drop us an email, radio at fool.com.
Let us know how it worked out.
Let's get to the stocks on our radar.
We'll bring in our man Steve Roido from the other side of the glass.
Ron Gross, you're up first.
What are you looking at this week?
Steve, I'm really thinking about adding to my position in Apple, AAPL.
The stock's down 25% over the year, last year.
I get that.
Concerns over China.
I understand that.
And really concerns, I think the overriding concern is, is this company going to be able
to continue to innovate? I think the answer is yes. $11 billion in operating cash flow during
the most recent quarter alone, $230 billion of cash on the balance sheet. Now, the iPhone 7
and future iterations does need to be strong. That's a given. But 10 times earnings, 2.4%
yield, I think it's a bet worth taking. Steve, question about Apple?
What would make the iPhone 7 just knock your socks off?
Is there anything they could put on it that would just make you go, this is it?
Because ever since the first iPhone, it's incremental.
It's got better.
The screen's gotten better.
It's got a camera on the other side.
It's cool, but, you know.
That's fair.
This will never happen, but I used to love the old StarTAC flip phones that, you know,
you could kind of feel like it was a real phone.
Like the StarTAC, but the StarTAC Motorola StarTAC.
Oh.
Remember those?
If they made one with a flip up, I'm in.
Retro.
I like it.
It rhymes with StarTAC.
Jason Moser, what are you looking at?
Yeah, one I've talked about here before, WageWorks, the ticker is W-A-G-E, and
they provide consumer-directed benefit programs like flex spending accounts, health reimbursement
arrangements, things like that, to employers. So, I like the value proposition there, helping
employers save on the tax bill, helping employees save on the tax bill, talking about companies
that run their own show and meet their own expectations. They met their own expectations
that they set for themselves last quarter. A couple of interesting catalysts here on
health reform. As you see, new healthcare coming in, and many will pay lower prices
for higher deductible plans, which means more out-of-pocket expenses, more incentive for
them to participate in those plans. And they just signed a really big deal with the U.S.
OPM that's going to bring in a number of customers as well. So, interesting, interesting stock
I'm going to take a look at for MDP.
Steve, question about WageWorks?
With a company like this, do I as a consumer have to lose for WageWorks to win?
Is it just higher fees? And I'm like, oh man, they're winning and I'm losing. I want win-win.
I think they're actually setting it up as a win-win, because you get to stash those
dollars away as pre-tax dollars. They're helping you save on your tax bill.
O'Reilly. Well, I talked about Activision Blizzard earlier. I take our ATVI. Listen,
we are close to a watershed moment for esports, which is, for those who don't know, competitive
video gaming. Activision's got the best games. They've got a massive audience. They recently
recently acquired Major League Gaming, which is one of the big esports leagues. Bobby Kotick,
the CEO, can't stop talking about it. I think it's a massive opportunity.
Steve?
My question is, when is virtual reality and Activision Blizzard synonymous?
That's going to take a little more time. At least five years, even longer. I just
don't think the technology or the costs are low enough to give it a mass audience just
yet.
What do you want to add to your watch list, Steve?
You know, I've owned Activision Blizzard and I regret selling it, so I might
add it back to the watch list. It seems like it's done very well recently.
All right, Ron Gross, Jason Moser, Matt Argersinger.
Guys, thanks for being here.
Thanks, Chris.
That's going to do it for this week's show.
Our engineer is Steve Broido.
Our producer is Matt Greer.
I'm Chris Hill.
Thanks for listening.
We'll see you next week.
