Motley Fool Hidden Gems Investing - The Future of Real Estate and Retail

Episode Date: May 22, 2020

Facebook, MasterCard, and Spotify announce new work-from-home policies. Lowe’s, Home Depot, Target, and Walmart report big growth in same-store sales. The U.S. Senate passes a bill that would impose... new listing requirements for Chinese companies. And Take-Two Interactive hits an all-time high. Motley Fool analysts Emily Flippen and Ron Gross discuss those stories and weigh in on the future of retail and the future of real estate. Our analysts share two stocks on their radar: TJX Companies and Pinduoduo. And Motley Fool analyst Tim Beyers and Motley Fool contributor Dan Kline talk with TiVo CEO Dave Shull about television, streaming video, and the future of TiVo.   Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Everybody needs money. That's why they call it money. The best things in life are free. But you can give them to the birds and bees. From Fool Global Headquarters, this is Motley Fool Money. It's the Motley Fool Money radio show. I'm Chris Hill. Joining me this week, Emily Flippen and Ron Gross. Good to see you both. How you doing, Chris? We've got the latest headlines from Wall Street. We will dig into the future of television.
Starting point is 00:00:31 And as always, we've got a few stocks on our radar. But we begin with the future of the workplace. This week, MasterCard and Spotify became the latest companies to announce extended working-from-home policies for their employees. Facebook CEO Mark Zuckerberg said many employees at Facebook will work from home permanently. And with all this new flexibility comes increased safety for the health of those employees and increased risks for the businesses that have depended on big companies having their employees in a single office building. So, Ron, we haven't really heard yet from the big banks on Wall Street. You have to imagine they're thinking about this as well. What does this mean for commercial real estate as well as the restaurants and shops in those urban areas?
Starting point is 00:01:21 Nothing good, Chris. This is going to be a big deal. Commercial real estate's got to be, I think, the biggest thing that gets impacted as a result of the work-from-home trend. Companies are inevitably going to reduce their need for office space. Vacancies will increase. Prices will drop. I think retail bankruptcies that we've been seeing are going to exacerbate this commercial real estate problem. And it's going to continue for some time. Interestingly, I think we're also going to see an exodus from cities into suburban locations from people. And as folks move out to the suburban areas, we actually could end up seeing a residential
Starting point is 00:02:03 real estate boom out in the suburbs, again, leaving the cities in some type of pain as a result of increased vacancies that we've already started to see. As you mentioned, I think restaurants as well, especially those that rely on office parks, around Fool HQ, for example, we were talking earlier, some of those restaurants are going to be in real trouble as the amount of people that come to work each day permanently declines. And as a result, I think we are bound to see permanently less restaurants in the U.S. I think there will be some positives from the work-from-home trend. Cars are going to last longer, we're not putting as much mileage on them, there will be a reduced
Starting point is 00:02:44 demand for gas, I think the environment is likely to benefit. So, there are some pros to this. Apparel is going to change as well, less need for work apparel, less need for pants, more need for sweatpants and pajamas, but there will, I think, be a change to the apparel industry as well. Emily, what do you think? I think what Ron said is true, but there is also another silver lining here that I feel like not enough people are talking about. It's pets. I mean, there's no way that a permanent work-from-home trend doesn't result in more pet ownership across the United States. All these people who are spending hours commuting, living in cities where they didn't have space for pets,
Starting point is 00:03:27 now are living at home, right? Living in the suburbs, living in spaces that allow them to have cats and dogs. So that could be a wonderful long-term trend that also comes out from this movement. I hadn't thought of that until you just mentioned it. And now I'm thinking I need to look at businesses like IDEXX Labs and sort of the pet care industry. Or pet food. Yeah, chewy. Let's move on to the home improvement industry. Home Depot and Lowe's both out with first quarter reports this week. Emily, we typically see a similar story with these two. This quarter was no exception. Higher revenue for Home Depot and Lowe's, but higher costs as well. Yes. Home Depot and Lowe's typically move in line with each other. So it was really interesting to see them have such
Starting point is 00:04:11 substantially different quarters, despite both existing in the same macro environment this quarter. So Lowe's had amazing comparable same-store sales. I mean, that was up over 11%. And that's nearly 5% over where Home Depot's was at 6%. So both were great quarters, but it's weird that we see such outperformance by Lowe's, especially when typically it goes in Home Depot's favor. When I think about the tailwinds that both of these companies are experiencing, I come back to what their core customer is. And Home Depot and Lowe's spent a lot of money this quarter supporting their employees. But ultimately, the DIY home improvement person, you or I, is more likely to shop at Lowe's versus contractors, which will typically go to Home Depot.
Starting point is 00:04:59 And they do have some overlap. There's some competition there. But I think that's what we saw really influencing on Home Depot this quarter, was the fact that a lot of contractors who were working on big projects didn't come through those projects during this pandemic, whereas the average person who was sitting at home looking at that hole in the wall, maybe they haven't fixed in a while, thought they should probably get out to their local Lowe's and improve that. Yeah, I think it was interesting, the comments that Home Depot made about comp sales, which In a vacuum, 6% in comp sales is nothing to sneeze at at all, but obviously lows, as Emily pointed out, fared a bit better. Home Depot said they were accelerating, and that'll be
Starting point is 00:05:38 interesting to see what this next current quarter that we're in, how that shapes up. Do these even out and become a little bit more the way we've seen in the past, similar of increases, or is something changing at Lowe's that will continue the outperformance? You know, we've said in the past, these companies are similar, obviously, we think Home Depot is probably a little bit better run than Lowe's as a result of trades at a premium, consistently, the stock trades at a premium. So, for example, now you can buy Lowe's at about 19X earnings, where you have to pay about 23X earnings for Home Depot, but you're getting a little bit of a better company. I actually always say, I don't see the need to necessarily choose one or the
Starting point is 00:06:22 other, they're both fine companies to own and you could split the difference. But I do want to see what kind of acceleration to comp sales Home Depot comes up with in the current quarter. Well, and one other thing that we've seen from other companies and other industries that we are not really seeing with Home Depot and Lowe's is the marketing spent. Home Depot and and Lowe's are traditionally big spenders on advertising, they haven't really ratcheted that back the way that some companies have. So, that's probably also having a little bit of impact on the margin picture. But, you know, Emily, to Ron's point about Home Depot typically being a better run company, Marvin Ellison at Lowe's, I think he's been CEO for nearly two years now, it really
Starting point is 00:07:05 seems like his work is starting to pay off in terms of the way Lowe's is operating. Yeah. Ellison has made a lot of improvements to Lowe's that are similar to the improvements that Home Depot has been making over the past five years or so. Digitizing the experience, making it easier for people to sign up for loyalty programs, really improving on the omni-channel experience for shopping at Lowe's. Ultimately, if you go to a Home Depot's, there's probably a Lowe's within a stone's throw distance and vice versa is true for Lowe's. There is a lot more price competition there and customer competition there than there is in other industries. But these two companies, to Ron's point, are the two dogs in the home development space. There
Starting point is 00:07:53 really is no other competition. I think there's value in owning a basket. I do think that Ellison has more to prove with Lowe's than Home Depot needs to prove though. Shares of Walmart and Target flat this week as the two major retailers issued their first quarter reports. Ron, there are a bunch of different ways we can go here, but I'll just start by saying, Walmart and Target putting up same-store sales growth of 10% to 11% is pretty impressive. Very impressive. There are similar stories here, right up until you get to the bottom line, but let's talk about the similarities first. both saw revenue increases, Walmart 9%, Target 11%. As you said, both had comp sale increases
Starting point is 00:08:35 in the 10% range, Walmart doing just a little bit worse than Target, Target at 10.8% and Walmart at 10%. Big numbers there. Obviously, the beneficiary of being open, being a necessary business while other businesses got shut down, and then really taking advantage along with folks like Costco. very strong online sales, as you would expect. Walmart up 74%, Target up 141%, different bases, obviously. But Target, I think, their investments that they've made over the last few years in same-day delivery and pickup, really paying off, seeing the same-day business up 278%, a huge number, obviously, aided by the crisis that we're all being impacted by. both had to spend a ton of dough as a result of COVID-related costs and wages to keep employees.
Starting point is 00:09:26 Walmart put the cost at about $900 million, targeted at about $500 million. Margins were lower for both companies as a result of those lower margin items like food being sold and some of the higher margin items like apparel being weak. But then when you get to the bottom line, you see that Walmart was kind of able to absorb these extra costs quite a bit better with earnings per share up 5% versus Target getting kind of whacked there down about 60% on an earnings per share basis. No guidance from either company, but they're both really strong companies. I expect them to continue to execute well even when the country reopens and they're not necessarily the only game in town, but they will be one of the winners of this retail shakeout that we've been
Starting point is 00:10:13 talking about. I wouldn't want to downplay the importance of the permanent changes in habits that will come from people who have adjusted their grocery or food delivery to different platforms as a result of this pandemic. If I can bring everybody back to the beginning of 2020, when Walmart spent millions of dollars on their Super Bowl ad, reminding people that they had grocery pickup in most of their locations. I was one of the people who laughed and said, maybe that was a waste of money. The people who are ultimately shopping at Walmart are aware of the fact that they do grocery pickup, but that money as it's been proven out over the past few months was well spent. I think people who have made a shift to grocery pickup are probably more
Starting point is 00:10:58 likely to retain those habits once this pandemic is over than we may have given them credit for a few months ago. Ron, just real quick on the apparel question. Obviously, apparel, a higher margin item. Target has made investments in apparel. It really seems like, I'm not looking to add pressure to CEO Brian Cornell, but it really seems like they are set up to succeed in a future where we're wearing fewer suits and more casual clothing. They are very well positioned here. They've brought designer brands in-house. They've private-labeled some. The designers they brought in, they've created a new price point for those designers who have been willing to dilute their brand and sell more to the masses at
Starting point is 00:11:42 a value proposition, a value point that lots of folks can afford. They make absolutely fine clothes at a reasonable price. I think that continues. I think they continue to steal business from some of those retail apparel companies that are either going to reduce their footprint or perhaps even go out of business. Are Chinese stocks in danger of being delisted? That story is next. Stay right here. You're listening to Motley Fool Money. Welcome back to Motley Fool Money. Chris Hale here with Emily Flippen and Ron Gross. On Wednesday, the U.S. Senate passed a bill that could force Chinese companies to give up their listings on American stock exchanges,
Starting point is 00:12:25 coincidentally, or not. Wednesday was also the day that shares of Luckin Coffee resumed trading. Luckin had been halted in the wake of an accounting scandal and shares down more than 40% this week. Emily, we're getting a lot of questions about this issue. I mean, obviously, the House of Representatives would still need to take this up and then it would need to go to the president, but this seemed like a pretty strong signal. Yes, this is Senate Bill 945, and it actually had bipartisan support in the Senate. This bill would essentially say that any foreign listed company in the U.S., and this is really targeting Chinese companies since they have been made offenders, would need to certify that they are not controlled or owned by foreign
Starting point is 00:13:08 governments and then also get the public company accounting oversight board to audit their financial statements or have an auditing firm that is approved by the PCAOB. So this would be a big change in response to how Chinese companies are listed in the U.S. exchanges today. They do escape some of the oversight from the Securities and Exchange Commission because the Chinese government is one of those governments that says the financial information of our companies is relatively proprietary. Now, as you mentioned, Chris, this would need to be taken up in the House of Representatives and approved, then voted on by President Trump. It's also worth noting that this, as you mentioned, is in connection with Luckin. It's not a coincidence that this bill
Starting point is 00:13:53 is proposed around the same time that Luckin Coffee is being delisted from the Nasdaq here in the U.S. because of fraud allegations. So, Chinese companies are definitely being targeted right now. This is not something to be overly panicked about. There would be a three-year period as proposed in the Senate bill for these companies to essentially come into compliance with this new law. It would also need to be passed by the House of Representatives. But if these Chinese companies weren't able to come into compliance, then they would potentially list themselves on other exchanges, Hong Kong, London potentially, which would prevent American investors from being able to get exposure. Is it possible they could list on the
Starting point is 00:14:36 Toronto Exchange? It is possible. It only applies to U.S. exchanges, and this includes the over-the-counter exchange, the OTC, or pink sheets market here in the U.S. So, the New York Stock Exchange, the NASDAQ, and the over-the-counter exchanges. Neiman Marcus and JCPenney are just two of the retailers that have filed for bankruptcy so far this year. And Macy's CEO, Jeff Gannett, sees an opportunity. Gannett said this week there's $10 billion worth of sales up for grabs in the retail landscape. He's not wrong, Ron, but can Macy's be one of the retailers to capitalize on this? They could potentially be able to capture a small portion, I think the lion's share
Starting point is 00:15:18 will go to stronger retailers. Right off the bat, you know, the few that we always talk about as being the survivors here, Walmart, Target, Costco, Amazon will get the lion's share and then the rest can, kind of, divvy it up. I don't think it's going to be, kind of, the savior for companies like Macy's that are struggling. And, you know, these department stores, you know, we just saw JCPenney, obviously, recently file bankruptcy finally. As you mentioned, lots of other folks, Pier One, J.Crew, Neiman Markets, Stage Stores, and lots of smaller ones that we don't talk about or really don't hear that much about. And that's going to continue.
Starting point is 00:15:57 So, sure, there is going to be a demand from the consumer for these items still, but I think it's going to continue to be the big guys that benefit. Emily, do you think we see, I mean, I think we all think we're going to see more retailers going out of business. Do you see retailers essentially spinning off part of their brands just so that the remaining business can survive? We see some retailers doing that right now, right? So, JCPenney has potentially talked about spinning off their retail brand versus the real estate aspects of the company. But it's worth noting that the underlying economics or demand trends that exist don't change just because you spend something off. Ultimately,
Starting point is 00:16:42 all of these retailers have really struggled with merchandising. Trying to predict what people are going to want to buy and in what quantities and in what colors next season has been this struggle that companies like JCPenney and Macy's have been put up against, which has really supported discount retailers, which happen just to take excess inventory. They're not trying to make any predictions about where the market will be a season or two from now. That produces a much lower cost model. And there's really not much that a lot of these traditional retailers can do to completely change their business model at this point. Shares of Take-Two Interactive hit an all time high this week as the video game company wrapped up its fiscal year. Fourth quarter
Starting point is 00:17:24 revenue up more than 40%. Emily, this is a great quarter and really a great 12 months for Take-Two. And most people can assume why it was such a great 12 months for the company, because this pandemic has caused a lot of people to play games that weren't necessarily playing games before. Take-Two has an amazing collection of really great brand names, including Grand Theft Auto, Red Dead Redemption, Borderlands. These are stalwarts in the gaming industry that are not going away anytime soon. Take-Two Interactive has had impressive recurring revenue growth. Interestingly enough, Epic Games released Grand Theft Auto for free for a lot of people, which could potentially increase the in-app purchases for Take-Two next quarter,
Starting point is 00:18:08 so a lot of things going Take-Two's way. All right, Emily Flippen, Ron Gross, we will see you later in the show. Up next, a conversation about the future of television with TiVo CEO, Dave Schull. Stay right here. You're listening to Motley Fool Money. Chris Hill Welcome back to Motley Fool Money, I'm Chris Hill. There was a point in time when the hottest name in consumer electronics was TiVo. Today, it's fair to ask, is TiVo still around? That's the question Dave Scholl asked before he became CEO. He'd already been an executive at Dish Network and The Weather Channel. Recently, Dave Scholl talked about TiVo's business and future with Motley Fool analyst, Tim Beyers, and contributor, Dan Kline, who kicked off
Starting point is 00:19:20 the conversation. Dan Kline, Jr.: Dave, to set the stage here, and I cleared this question first because I didn't want to come off as glib, but there was a point where TiVo was a pop culture company. There were jokes on late night TV, because you've watched The Simpsons, you would like to watch the Jetsons. TiVo has 10 trademarked noises. And some of those noises were actually like, you know, the beep boops that everybody knew. And the company does not have that profile right now. Can you set the table for sort of what TiVo is compared to what it used to be? And I'm excited about where it's going and share a little bit about where it's going. So, it's interesting. When I talked to the company, my first question
Starting point is 00:20:03 was, are they still around? This amazing heritage of innovation goes back more than 20 years. It's like, damn, that's pretty cool. But the company's changed a lot. We've done 10 acquisitions in the last 15 years. We've had four CEOs. When I first came in, we had four CEOs in eight quarters. So things have changed a lot. And there was a lot of sort of turmoil. What people don't understand is there's maybe a million people out there who have TiVos. And I love those fans because they're so tied to the technology. And they can tell me sort of the 20 years of history on our tech. But we've got sort of the broader business. We have 22 million households around the world that are using TiVo technology, but they're doing it through their cable company.
Starting point is 00:20:44 They may not realize that it's actually TiVo technology that's powering that, but $22 million around the world is pretty broad. And so that's really the bread and butter of the company. Where are we going? When I said, listen, we've got to get in on the streaming wars. And so today we announced this product, TiVo Stream 4K, which puts us kind of squarely into the streaming wars and is really the future of the company.
Starting point is 00:21:06 Now, so I looked at the 4K, and I'm very excited to order one. But I would like to hear, is this you taking on Roku? Like, is that sort of, you know, are you throwing down the gauntlet going after, you know, Amazon, Roku, the other players in this space? Or is it a little bit of a differentiated product? And just to add to that, Dave, before you answer that, you have a partnership with Roku, if I understand right. So if you can sort of paint the whole picture here. This is kind of, cause it's a little strange and it would be really great to get like the whole picture there. So there's gotta be a little bit of Roku envy. I think, I think those guys have done, Anthony there has just done an absolutely amazing job, right? You look at his
Starting point is 00:21:48 market cap, 15, I don't know what it is today, but 14, $15 billion. Our market cap is a little bit less than a billion dollars. They've done a phenomenal job. So kudos to them. But I do think There's really a missed opportunity, which is when you look at the Roku device, it's easy to install, it plugs into your TV, but what it does is it gives you a bunch of different apps. And you have to remember, is that on Netflix, or is that on Hulu, or is that on Prime, or Sling TV? When we look at our research, on average, people have seven different apps that they're trying to manage. And it could be an advertising-based on-demand service, it could be a Netflix, or a Prime, or a Hulu. Where's that show? Where do I find it? And so we think that's a missed opportunity in the streaming space. And so because we have decades of experience dealing with complex content recommendations, we can say, you know what? It's not about the apps. It's really about the shows.
Starting point is 00:22:38 And so what I want to know is what show do I want to watch now? And we have all the metadata. We have all the content recommendations and the algorithms. So we can say, hey, we're going to bring all your entertainment together and we're going to make it really easy for you to find the show that you want to watch and you don't have to remember what app is out there. That's the magic of TiVo Stream. When I look at the financials of the company, the biggest part of your business is intellectual property and licensing. You're primarily a
Starting point is 00:23:07 software company here. It sounds like what you're doing here is building out an operating system of sorts, a layer on top of all of these services that is consumer-friendly, intended to be consumer friendly that organizes the mess that otherwise exists yeah so that's that's fair let me kind of back up at a higher level and talk about tivo as a company if that makes sense right yeah right so 650 million in revenue roughly 227 million dollars in ebitda right and we've given project i'm in the middle of closing a merger so we've given very specific projections in the proxy so i would direct the investors to that proxy s4 but it's roughly half and half intellectual property and a half product. And so on the intellectual property side, there's a base of about 5,000
Starting point is 00:23:52 patents. And we license those patents out. And those patents go back decades. Any place where you see people playing video in some sort of linear stream fashion or targeting ads around video, we have some pretty good intellectual property claims. And so vast majority of pay-to-be operators, certainly in North America, but also in Europe and in Asia, license our patent portfolio for that. On the product side, we're the TiVo consumer base, this million loyal customers that we have tied to the DVR. And many of these people have very high-end complex sort of TV systems. And so that's really the value of the technology. We then have built out a software stack, to your point, that's in 22 million households around the world, where we've deployed sort of the best of
Starting point is 00:24:37 all the TiVo know-how and put that in place for the consumers to experience that, but in a traditional cable setting. We're now taking the best of all that and we're synthesizing all that down to a $49 dongle that you can just plug into the back of your TV and any content that's available on the Android TV platform is immediately sort of integrated and gives you recommendations across live TV. So we have a very unique partnership with Sling TV, on-demand content, Netflix, Prime, Hulu, and then also all the AVOD content, Tubi, Zumo, and now Pluto. And so, basically, it's kind of the culmination of, okay, intellectual property invented stuff, it got deployed in millions of set-top boxes around the world, and now we're saying,
Starting point is 00:25:20 how do we distill the best of that software platform down to this dongle that we call TiVo Stream? Let me ask the business question. So, Roku makes money from, if I don't have Netflix, and the first time I subscribe to Netflix, I do it through my Roku box or dongle or whatever device I have, I have all of them, they make a cut of money. Do you have the same relationship with some of the brands? If I've never been a Sling customer and I sign up through them, I am a Sling customer, and I sign up, do you get a cut of the money? Yes. Simple answer is, again, I think Roku has done a brilliant job of trailblazing here. We make very little money on the hardware, which is why it's $49.99 for a product that's 4K and
Starting point is 00:26:01 Dolby and a bunch of other stuff. It's an amazing little piece of hardware for that price, which means that we have to make money in the future and so the way we make money in the future is is a cut of your additional subscriptions but also most of these avod services like tubi and zumo and pluto are ad based and so there's some revenue sharing there because what they want is they want an engaged consumer in our view is consumers can't process 50 000 titles and so that recommendation engine on top of the metadata makes it much more likely that someone's actually going to watch that show and so it's a valuable relationship for both us and for the provider Tim, I'll let you jump in with the real business questions, but I have one more question.
Starting point is 00:26:39 I live in a house with a 16-year-old and my wife, who is also my age, and we all have very different television choices. We need one device per person. Are there multiple accounts on the same device? How does that work? Right now, the devices are intelligent by room and by time of day. What we haven't done is we haven't layered another set of profiles on top of that, right? So the box in my office knows that I'm sitting here at this time and it knows that it's kind of my box, right? So if I'm going to put another one up in the playroom where the kids are, and so it will have very different content recommendations for them based on the time of day because it knows it's a different box. We're looking at profiles in the future,
Starting point is 00:27:18 but we're trying hard to make it a really, really simple interface. And so we think lots of people provide recommendations. Very few companies actually provide recommendations based on time a day. That's a proxy for profiles because the view and habits tend to be very different at five o'clock at night versus 10 o'clock at night. Just for context here and maybe to oversimplify things a little bit, I think most of us who followed TiVo in the past know that you have some patents that are related to the four-letter words you were relating to the DVRs and so forth. But there are probably a lot that we don't really know about that are TiVo innovations. I'd like to invite you to maybe
Starting point is 00:27:59 give us two or three that are patented technology that TiVo introduced that people just gloss over and we don't realize that's TiVo technology. Give us a couple of examples of that. Well, I would say a lot of the voice technology that you use today when you talk to your set-top box actually originated with TiVo. We would argue that some of the companies that maybe haven't license our technology that i'm not gonna name names at this point but you can kind of impute based on what we just talked about actually their voice capabilities from our voice patents and so we we provide voice technology around the world actually much more than the 22 million households that i talked about because we actually have a know-how and a dedicated team that's
Starting point is 00:28:39 focused on that um so when you're when you're what's interesting about the tevo voice product we call it conversation is is you can say hey what's on what's on tonight right so so it has to understand what's on TV tonight and that I'm talking about entertainment content. No, I actually want a comedy, comedy from the 80s, right? Something with Tom Hanks. It wasn't the one where he was on an island, right? And it starts to bury down to that. And you can have that contextual conversation is really unique. Now, we're not magicians. The way we're able to do that is we understand we're talking about entertainment and we have a very, very deep understanding of the metadata and sort of the linkages between all of these different assets
Starting point is 00:29:18 based on our knowledge base. And so there's a lot of IP tied to that. And we think there's some strong claims around that as well. So Dave, is your vision on the TiVo side to eventually just organize everything, the mass of content, whether it be podcasts or video
Starting point is 00:29:33 or YouTube videos or all the other things to just provide sort of a blueprint in order for people? Is that sort of the bigger, grander plan? Yeah, I think so. So our tagline, which they're always a little bit trite, right?
Starting point is 00:29:45 You got to blend the marketing. But I actually kind of like it. Our tagline is bringing all your entertainment together, making it easy to find, watch, and enjoy. And so there's two parts to that statement, really. One is we do want to bring all of your entertainment together in one place. And then we want to make that finding process easy. And so we think there's a lot of challenges in the streaming world right now. And so we want to solve that for you.
Starting point is 00:30:06 Where do you think the bulk of your business is? Like, let's talk about the future here. We're five years ahead, and TiVo and Xperia have merged. where is the business coming from you know five five years from now is this you know the wind's at your back because of cord cutting where's where is your growth coming from five years from now if you had to you know cast a vision for for what we as investors want to be looking for if we're if we're investing in your company so i think the the future is still to the plan is to split the ip business away from the product business and i think what that does is that gives you a a team
Starting point is 00:30:44 that's very, very focused on building up intellectual property as an engine and making it recurring. And then the product team is not having to deal with litigation. They're very focused on sort of new innovative products. So when you look at the product side, I think the future is very much, you know, hopefully TiVo or some version of the TiVo experience is embedded across hundreds of millions of devices, right? Whether it's a TV or whether it's an automobile. And I think that very quickly becomes a very light software only solution, doesn't require any hardware changes, I think that's really the win. Because I think there's a proliferation of streaming content that is going to continue over the next couple of years. And I think consumers
Starting point is 00:31:23 love having that choice. And they love having a free choice, which is AVOD. So if you look at, you know, investors may or may not attract it, but Pluto was sold to ViacomCBS, 2BTV was sold to Fox, Zumo was sold to NBC, right? So these are all free-to-consumer advertising-based on-demand services. And so consumers love that model. And then they're still willing to pay a premium for unique content like Netflix and Prime and Hulu. In that five-year future then, in this area where TiVo as a technology is pervasive, does that mean TiVo also is bringing you exclusive content as well? Like programmed shows? I think that's something we want to avoid. And the reason why I say that is I think our value in this new world is not shows, right? NBC and Fox and CBS
Starting point is 00:32:11 are always going to be able to out-produce us. And our value is if we have the best user interface, the best content recommendations, the easiest way to find new shows, then we provide value to the consumer, of course, but we actually provide value to the show producers as well, because they want to find a way to quickly get to tens of millions of people that want to watch their shows. Serving as that neutral intermediary, I think is a great strategic place to be. Coming up, we'll give you an inside look at the stocks on our radar. Stay right here. You're listening to Motley Fool Money. We'll be right back. As always, people on the program may have interest in the stocks they talk about,
Starting point is 00:33:16 and The Motley Fool may have formal recommendations for or against, so don't buy or sell stocks based solely on what you hear. Welcome back to Motley Fool Money. Chris Hill here with Emily Flippen and Ron Gross. Our email address is radioatfool.com. I've got a question from Nick in Canada who writes, I can't begin to thank you and the rest of the analysts at The Motley Fool for everything you've taught me. My financial life has been completely changed by you. I'm a very dedicated listener to many of The Motley Fool podcasts. Thank you, Nick. We appreciate that. He goes on, I had a question about spend allocation between ETFs and individual
Starting point is 00:33:53 stocks. I've heard a few different analysts at The Motley Fool mention they think it's a good idea to be buying both shares of an ETF and individual stocks. So my question is, what would be the appropriate split between these two? Ron, for those unfamiliar with ETFs? Exchange-traded funds trade just like stocks, but they are baskets of stocks. You can buy the S&P 500, the Russell 2000, technology ETFs, commodity ETFs, any strategy you want to pursue. There is a basket of stocks waiting for you to buy. It's just like buying or selling a stock, Unlike a mutual fund, which only trades once a day at the close of the market at 4 p.m. I think it's a great question. I'm a big fan of ETFs.
Starting point is 00:34:36 When I tell people that about 50% of my personal portfolio is in ETFs, they're often surprised. Now, that's a little bit skewed because of my 401 is primarily in ETFs. So, if you strip that out, I'm about 25% ETFs, 75% individual stocks. I don't think there necessarily is the right number. I think a person could have 100% of their portfolio in ETFs if they wanted to, if they were not the type of person that liked to pick stocks and follow stocks. So I also don't think it depends necessarily on age either. I think either way is fine to go, depending on how much attention you want to give to your portfolio. Emily? I would generally agree. I've also been
Starting point is 00:35:15 open about the fact that a lot of my assets, virtually all of my retirement funds are in index funds, not necessarily ETFs, but funds that track the market. It's because I don't like the volatility in a lot of the funds that I know I'm going to need to retire with, for instance. But everything else that I invest in is in individual stocks. And that's a totally personal preference, mostly because I know that if I have my individual assets that are volatile on a daily basis, invested in Chinese companies, cannabis companies, whatever you put into it, I know that that money goes away, I still have my retirement funds. So without digressing too much into my personal finances, I don't think there is a right answer. I think it depends on you and your personal
Starting point is 00:35:56 risk tolerance. All right, let's get to the stocks on our radar. Our man Dan Boyd's going to hit you with a question. Ron Gross, you're up first. What are you looking at this week? Speaking of discount retailers earlier in the show, I'm going to go with TJX Companies, ticker symbol TJX, retailer best known for TJ Maxx, Marshalls, and HomeGoods, focused on a wide assortment at very competitive prices for its customers. Obviously, this last Q1 was a mess, sales down 52%, stores were closed. As of May 2nd, stores have started to reopen, 1,600 open so far out of about 4,500. Importantly, the company is seeing sales above last year's for those reopened stores. All things being equal, we may be back to a growth mode. Balance sheet is strong thanks to a $4 billion
Starting point is 00:36:42 float of notes. They did suspend their first quarter dividend and probably their second quarter. But before that, they had 23 years of consecutive dividend increases with a compound growth rate of 22%. Dan, question about TJX? Certainly. Ron, so when I was a kid, my mom would take me and my brother on shopping trips to the TJ Maxx in Springfield, Virginia, and I remember it as being a very boring time. What can be done to make shopping at TJ Maxx more exciting for children? Well, it's commonly thought of as kind of this treasure hunt experience. You walk in, it's almost like looking at a tornado of clothes. They're everywhere, and you got to find exactly what's right for you at the right price. So think of it as a little bit of a treasure hunt.
Starting point is 00:37:27 Emily Flippen, what are you looking at? I'm looking at a Chinese company called Pinduoduo, the ticker is PDD. They reported this week and had a really impressive sales, especially as compared to Alibaba, which didn't quite meet expectations. They had a 42% year-over-year increase in active buyers on their e-commerce platform. Impressively, they had nearly as many active buyers as Alibaba, so they've scaled up really quickly in China. Dan? Yeah, Emily, the Senate bill doesn't give you any pause with a company like this? It may in the future, but right now, no. Two very different businesses, Dan. You
Starting point is 00:38:05 got one you want to add to your watch list? You know what? As much as I remember those times in TJ Maxx and I didn't really enjoy myself, I got to go with the discount retailers on this one. So, Ron, you're the winner. Nice, finally. All right. Ron Gross, Emily Flippen, thanks for being here. Thanks, Chris. Thanks for having me. That's going to do it for this week's edition of Motley Fool Money. Our engineer is Dan Boyd, Our producer is Mac Greer. Chris Hill, thanks for listening. We will see you next week.

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