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Episode Date: November 11, 2016What does a Trump victory mean for investors? Is Shake Shack's success sustainable? Will Priceline fly even higher? And will Disney spin off ESPN? Our analysts tackle those questions and share three s...tocks on their radar. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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It's the Motley Fool Money radio show. I'm Chris Hill, and joining me in studio this week
from Million Dollar Portfolio, Jason Moser. From Motley Fool, Hidden Gems, Chief Investment
Officer, Andy Cross. And from Motley Fool One, Ron Gross. Good to see you, as always,
gentlemen.
Hey, now.
How are you doing?
We've got the latest results from Wall Street. We will talk emerging markets with David Kuo.
And as always, we'll give you an inside look at the stocks on our radar. But we begin this
week with the Fool mailbag from Ben in Columbus, Ohio. What are the best wall-building stocks
that you recommend. Yes, gentlemen. Donald Trump will be the next President of the United
States. And investors are asking, which industries will benefit? A logical question to ask. Andy
Cross, I'll start with you. We already have seen this week hospital stocks taking a hit.
When you think about investing over the next four years, are there any industries that you think
might do a little bit better? Yeah, Chris, there's been a lot. I mean,
We saw the dramatic reaction in the stock market, and we saw a bunch of industries react
positively, and some negatively, like you mentioned, like the infrastructure stocks
and some of the defense stocks.
What I'm really interested in, though, is I think this is the first time when we'll
actually see some corporate tax reform.
There's a very good chance the Republican Party and Donald Trump, President Trump, go
after the corporate tax reform.
I think that actually is going to be good for small-cap stocks.
Now, I'm a small-cap sleuth, and that's why I spend a lot of my time.
They've rallied, but here's why.
So, I looked at some numbers, and there are 750 stocks traded on the U.S. markets that
have effective tax rates that are higher than 35%, and 55% of those are small-cap stocks.
So, when I think about the stocks that are going to benefit, you hear a lot about, oh,
this helps with the repatriation of the dollars of Apple and all those big multi-caps, but
But I think it'll really help the small cap stocks do well.
I would be looking at industries that will benefit from less regulation, because
that's what he's been pounding the table on. So, whether it's banks with the dismantling
of Dodd-Frank, perhaps, or energy, which could benefit from less regulation, you could have
some strength there. The one thing I do want to caution is, campaign promises do not always
translate to actually things getting done. So to see people making big, big bets in these
industries just because of campaign promises, I'd be careful. He wants a $1 trillion infrastructure
plan. That's not probably going to happen. It's probably not realistic. There may be
some infrastructure spending, which actually the Democrats, the Republicans don't seem
to like, the Democrats do, but it's not going to be that size. So just be a little bit cautious
and don't plow all your money in at once.
Yeah, I think there are a lot of headlines talking about all of this all at once.
Traditionally, we espouse, regardless of who is the president and what they want to do,
this is all not going to happen in one day. We look at these types of situations through
the lens of years and not daily headlines. With that said, I think I said tongue-in-cheek
before the election actually took place, that if he won, we'd probably see a little bit
of a boost in alcohol stocks, like Boston Beer and Anheuser-Busch, perhaps. But in line
with what Andy was talking about, I do think there is something there, particularly on
the tax reform side, with all of these companies that have so much cash overseas. I mean, you
look at Microsoft, Cisco, IBM, Apple, tremendous resources that they are not really doing anything
with at this point. You see Apple taking out more debt just to be able to return value
to shareholders that way. So, if there's a tax holiday that allows a lot of these large-cap
companies, it allows them to sort of bring that money back here. I mean, we're looking
at more buybacks, possibly boosted dividends, reinvesting in the businesses here domestically.
So, I think that's a big opportunity that I hope to see materialize.
I was going to say, this puts a stake. I think we can finally say this puts a stake in the
bond market. I mean, when you think about bonds, I mean, we saw a 10-year jump above
2%. We're going to see some inflation start to show up. So, if I was a bond investor,
I think I'd be very careful about holding long-term bonds right now.
Last thing on the election, at the state level, there were eight states, including
California, Florida, Nevada, Massachusetts, and Maine, that passed new laws permitting
the use of marijuana. And we're getting a lot of questions from people saying,
hey, wait a minute, this is clearly a trend. Our investor is going to be able to benefit.
When you look at marijuana stocks as a group right now, they are almost an individual business,
they are penny stocks. Yeah, I think the big challenge
with that whole market. And certainly, I wouldn't go chasing the penny stocks. That's really a
dangerous game. But I would say that the companies that are dealing with the marijuana market,
they have financing problems because it's not a federal law that marijuana is legal. And a lot
of banks don't want to touch those businesses. So, they have a lot of trouble in just managing
their day-to-day cash flows. And while I think there's a lot of small companies out there that
look interesting, I think once the big boys really start to get into this, the Altrias of the world,
you're going to see them really take over this industry, because they know how to get it done.
Alright, let's move on to earnings. The Walt Disney Company wrapped up its fiscal
year with a fourth quarter report featuring lower revenue out of the TV division. They're
still losing ESPN subscribers, not really a shock there. CEO Bob Iger, though, appears
to have turned things around on the conference call.
He's got that magical Disney touch, right? I think ESPN's challenges, first and foremost,
do not mean that Disney's best days are behind it. I think they are dealing with a bit of
a challenging environment, and it makes a lot of sense. Traditionally, working on this
cable model, ESPN was a no-brainer tethered to the cable subscription, because we didn't
really know how much Disney was making from that relationship, but we had some pretty
good assumptions, and they were making a killing from it. At this point now, it's all a matter
of distribution, and that's really the nut that they need to crack. It's just, distribution
is a far different model than it was just 10-20 years ago. So, they're taking advantage
of over-the-top, they're taking advantage of skinny bundles. They are going to launch
an on-demand, personalized style, ESPN-branded offering in 2017. They have that big investment
in BAMTech. So, they are looking at this and trying to figure out the best ways to solve
it. And honestly, I think, ultimately, it opens up a bigger market opportunity. Perhaps
they're not making as much in operating profit that they were before with being tethered
to cable, but it opens up such a large market opportunity. I think there still is plenty
of room to go there. It was interesting to read over the week, I saw John Malone had
published a piece saying he could actually foresee a time where ESPN considers spinning
off from Disney, or Disney considers spinning off ESPN. That makes sense. If the economics
aren't there, maybe it is worth it. It really allows Disney to focus on what it does so
well as an IP company, because 20, 30 years from now, they're going to still have all
of that IP, and a lot of sequels to go with them. And we know, we've seen to date, they've
proven to be very astute and able to do that. And one final thing, Disney Shanghai, obviously,
a lot of talk going into the opening. They brought in about 4 million people in the first
four months. To put that in context, Disney World down in Orlando brings in about 20 million
people per year. So, Shanghai Disney off to a great start, and they anticipate breaking
even on that far sooner than was anticipated. And the stock has not done very well
over the past year, but I think you're looking at a company still fairly, I mean, in the
big media landscape, they are still small enough that they hopefully can still be nimble.
And maybe it is John Malone. His recommendation of spinning off ESPN, I'm not quite sure if
that's actually the way it's going to go. But Bob Iger, certainly, I mean, he came back
to the, he never really left. He really is leading that company. So hopefully he will
do something that gets this company kind of moving in the right direction.
Shares of Macy's up 10% this week after a third-quarter report that, frankly, Ron,
was anything but impressive. Their profits and revenue came in lower than expected.
Same-store sales. Where is the optimism coming for this company?
So, seventh consecutive quarterly decline in same-store sales. The company is not doing well.
The optimism comes from the potential monetization of the company's very valuable real estate
holdings. Starboard Value, activist investor, guys I know well, have been pushing to unlock
value in the real estate for quite some time now. They think the real estate alone could
be worth $21 billion. The stock is only a $13 billion market cap. So, significant upside
potential there, if Starboard is correct. Announcement concurrent with the earnings
release that Macy's has cut a deal with Brookfield Asset Management to develop 50 of the locations
to unlock value there. We also have information that the Union Square store in San Francisco
is going to be sold and value unlocked there, the downtown Portland, Oregon store, the Brooklyn
store on Fulton Street, the $270 million deal there. The company isn't going as far as Starboard
would like with a spin-off of the real estate assets, but they're taking it step-by-step
and unlocking value in specific stores and specific groupings of stores, and that's where
you see the optimism in the stock.
Okay. But the real estate aside, the holidays are coming up. Don't they need to have a really
good holiday quarter?
Well, it's interesting. So, while this quarter, again, as we said, continued a trend of poor
results, they did say that the fourth quarter looked strong, and they used the term improving
retail trends in the fourth quarter, which allowed them to reaffirm their full-year guidance.
So, perhaps some good news for the fourth quarter, but you know what? The proof is in
the pudding. Let's see how it comes out.
Yeah, and department stores in general. They are really struggling. You see a lot
of the folks, the cores of the world and the coach of the world, just not really pushing
through to the department stores. They'd rather go directly to the consumers.
Graphics chip maker Nvidia coming out with blowout earnings on Friday. Third quarter
profits sending shares up 25%. They look good across the board, Andy. Their gaming division
really crushed it. Well, the gaming division is phenomenal.
they have really broadened out their entire suite of portfolios and their processing units
across not just gaming, but data centers. They have partnerships with Tesla in their
driverless cars. Their AI push into artificial intelligence is really gaining stream. So,
they are knocking it out of the park across everything. This is a $36 billion company.
It has $6 billion in cash, $3 billion in debt, generates $6 billion in sales, $1 billion
operating cash flow, spends 25% of their sales in R&D. Stocks more than doubled. It's up 25%
today. So, really, things are moving in the direction, not just for them, but for that
industry. So, they are taking market share in a very fast-growing industry.
Coming up, earningspalooza rolls on. Stay right here. You're listening to Motley Fool Money.
Welcome back to Motley Fool Money. Chris Hill here in studio with Jason Moser, Andy Cross,
and Ron Gross. Shake Shack hitting the trifecta this week. Third quarter profits came in higher
than expected. So did their revenue, and they raised guidance for the full year. You've
got to tip the cap to them, Jason.
Well, let's just go out and buy the stock, Chris.
Well, clearly some shareholders were doing that.
Let's not.
It's up more than 15% this week.
Let's not. I think this is a great example of an investment that could be good, but only
at the right price. And up to this point, the price still hasn't really made any sense.
But let's talk about the good, OK? I think you made a good point there in that they've
turned in some very good numbers. Impressive top-line growth there, 40%. Same-shack sales.
Oh, please.
That does exist. It's in the release.
If you like Zillow using the word Zestimate, then you'll love Shake Shack calling
their same-store sales, same-shack sales.
Yep. That was up 2.9%, which is reasonable. It's more in line with something
like a Panera, less in line with something like a Chipotle back in the days before the
the E. coli scare. But, guidance for the coming year, I mean, they're seeing same-shack sales
between 2% and 3% next year. Most of that seems to be coming through price increases,
though less through traffic. And that probably is a bit of a concern that you have to at
least keep an eye on. Again, going back to the price, though, I think this is where this
thing really doesn't make much sense yet. You look at what the market is valuing each
same-shack restaurant at, they're valuing those Shake Shacks at about $8.5 million per
per store, versus Chipotle, that the market is valuing at around $5.5 million per store.
And then we get down to the market opportunity, where Shake Shack is going to ...
O' They have milkshakes.
Yeah, they do. You're right about that. But Chipotle's getting ready to test desserts,
right? Come on.
O' They haven't made anyone sick yet.
I think you really have to look at the market opportunity, really, to ascertain
whether this is a good opportunity as an investment goes. And Chipotle's going to open 200 stores
this coming year. Shake Shack's going to open around 25 or so. So, this is just a bigger
market opportunity with something like Chipotle than Shake Shack. So, again, it could be a
good investment, but one where you really have to understand the value that you're getting
there for the price that you're paying. I just don't even like the stock at these levels.
Well, and restaurant stocks, just in general, have been really obliterated as people
start to digest both the potential fiduciary rules, which we'll see what happens with the
Trump presidency, those changes, but also just food costs and labor costs.
Third quarter revenue for CVS Health rose more than 15% from a year ago, but shares
falling this week when CEO Larry Merlo cut guidance, and Ron, their prescription business
is taking a bit of a hit.
Yeah, so the quarter was good, but the big problem here is that in their pharmacy
benefit management business, their Caremark business, Walgreens just ate their lunch a
bit. They signed a big deal that would cut CVS out of about 40 million prescriptions
next year. It caused them to lower their guidance for this year and next year. It's a competitive
business by bringing that benefit management business in-house, that's good, but then it
allows Walgreens to kind of remain agnostic and go after all the other benefit managers
out there, and that's what they've done, shutting CVS out. So that's a problem. Even with the
lowered guidance, the company still does well, but it's going to take a chunk out of their
business. It's only 13 times, maybe 14 times earnings based on the new guidance, certainly
not an expensive stock. But with this uncertainty here, I'd take a wait-and-see attitude to
see how actually the revenues, and therefore the profits, come in or down.
O' Think they should start selling cigarettes again?
I do not.
O' Shares are price-line hitting a new all-time high this week after third-quarter
profit and revenue came in higher than expected. Somebody had a good summer, Andy.
Yeah, they had a great summer. When you think about what they're doing with their
Room nights were up almost 30%, their gross bookings up 25% for the quarter, revenues
19%. One challenge they did have, Chris, is they bought OpenTable back in 2014 for about
$2.6 billion, and they wrote down $940 million of that during the quarter. So, a very large
chunk of that, which just goes to show you, when you think about companies buying other
online companies for a lot of money with a lot of goodwill, that was more than half their
goodwill on Priceline's balance sheet. So, they really had a tremendous quarter. They
can really show their business model doing very well, especially international. But they
made this acquisition maybe stretch a little bit on the price, and they're showing the
consequences for that right now. O' What happened to TripAdvisor this
week, Jason? The stock got hammered, Chris. What do
you mean, what happened? No, I mean, it really did. As a shareholder here, it hurt a little
bit. And bottom line, the numbers weren't all that bad, but really, management laid
out in the call that this move to instant booking where TripAdvisor is becoming more
like Priceline and OTA, it's just going to take a little bit longer. And the problem
is, if it's going to take a little bit longer and it doesn't monetize quite as nicely as
desktop does, well, the market just isn't really known for its threshold for patience.
And so, I think a lot of money left TripAdvisor, realizing that 2017 is going to be a big investment
year. It doesn't mean that the thesis is busted or the company is not pulling through on its
promise. I mean, all signs point towards success here. It just sounds like it's going to take
a little bit longer. But at the end of the day, it's a lot to build out a network of
users like that with that content. TripAdvisor has built up such an amount of trust with
its users that I think that is its true asset. Honestly, as an investor, I can sleep at night
knowing that.
Well, it's interesting. Priceline and TripAdvisor have a very tight partnership.
Priceline is a business that generates almost $4 billion in operating profits and spends
$200 million on CapEx. They buy back a ton of stocks. They have a lot of wealth to put
into defending their territory, and they will do that.
Nordstrom's third quarter profits came in 60% higher than analysts were expecting.
Shares up a little bit on Friday after the report. Help me out here, Ron. This wasn't
a situation where they beat by a penny. They crushed the bottom line.
They crushed the bottom line. It's partly the result of the fact that their big anniversary
sale was in this quarter, the third quarter, versus last year it was in the second quarter.
So if you start making some adjustments, it brings down how good it actually looked. But
But still, this is the second quarter in a row of decent results. The rack division and
their hot look, if I'm pronouncing that correctly, continue to be the big growers there. Sales
were up 10% in that division. That's nice to see. The full-price stores aren't doing
as well, but still, there is growth there. One negative, they had to book a $197 million
write-down of their trunk club, the men's business, which they had acquired for $350
million in 2014. Obviously, paid a bit too much for that puppy. But that business is
actually growing. It's just that they paid too much, unfortunately. Company raised guidance.
Company looks like it's doing well. Stock's not expensive here.
It could have been worse. They could have bought OpenTable and have to write
down something like that. There you go.
Alright, Ron Gross, Jason Moser, Andy Cross, guys, we'll see you a little bit later
in the show. Up next, we are heading to Singapore to get a global perspective from David Kuo.
Stay right here, this is Motley Fool Money.
Welcome back to Motley Fool Money. I'm Chris Hill. David Kuo is a regular financial commentator
for the BBC. He's also the director of Motley Fool Singapore, which is where he joins me
from now. David, thank you for being here. Good morning, Chris. What was the reaction on the other
side of the world to the election here in the States? Well, I think most people here were
totally shocked by what was happening in America. And many people over here were just glued to their
television set. I mean, as each result came in, people were just in awe as to this steamroller
that was going through America,
all the predictions were that it was going to be a Clinton win
and everybody was comfortable with that.
And then as we saw the results come in,
people just couldn't believe what they were seeing,
what they were hearing.
And as a result of that, Chris,
people started selling their shares.
Many people were reacting the way that traders and investors
normally react in situations like this.
sell your shares first and think about why you actually sold later on so we saw a massive sell
off in japan we saw a massive sell off in hong kong and even this tiny little dot on the uh on
the equator singapore people started selling their shares as well and people were then piling into
gold because that's the way that people generally react so i guess in in summary it was just that
It was just shock and horror as to what was unfolding in America.
In that sense, did it remind you of an event earlier this year with the vote in the UK for Brexit?
Yes, it did.
It was probably sort of many orders of magnitude worse than Brexit,
simply because of the size of America and the implication that America has on the impact that America has on the rest of the world.
I mean, Brexit, I think most people were shocked also.
But then they kind of knew that what was happening in Britain was a fairly localized issue.
But, I mean, this event in America, the election of Donald Trump, certainly has implications in many countries, not only in Europe, but also in Asia as well.
And people were beginning to wonder, you know, what would happen next?
And so that was the initial reaction.
But then what we actually saw afterwards was this rebound in America, the rebound in the stock market.
And I think, you know, there were similarities there as well, because people, I think people realize that markets have a way of coping with situations.
and they realized that probably the market would rebound,
but I don't think they expected it to rebound as quickly as it did.
I certainly didn't.
I mean, I was very busy on the day that the events were unfolding in America
and I was so busy that I didn't really get an opportunity to buy
because my first instinct when I see things like this
is to actually sort of start buying shares
when the opportunity presents itself.
But in this particular case, I didn't even have the opportunity to do so because the
repout came so quickly that the very next day, it was almost as though nothing had happened.
And if you had missed out that day completely, gone to sleep, you would never have even realized
anything happened in the market.
But I think that was one of the big lessons on Broadscape.
But markets have a way of coping.
And in this particular case, we coped only too well.
it just reacted too quickly. And then now people are sort of wondering what is going to happen
next, Chris. I was curious how you spent the day after the election. And the reason is because I
watched an interview that you gave on CNBC on Monday, in which you were very clear about how
you were completely unconcerned as an investor as to the results of the election in the United
States, because you looked at your portfolio and thought, I see a lot of stocks that don't really
have any great bearing on who occupies the White House.
And I still believe that, Chris. I don't believe that any of my stocks in any way will be affected.
I'll give you some examples of the companies that I invested. Unilever is one of my core
portfolios and i have one of the core shares in my portfolio and i just think that you know people
are still going to carry on using unilever's products they're still going to be using soap
powders they're still going to be using and they're still going to be consuming the foods
that unilever produces and in that sense i just think it doesn't really sort of make a great
big deal of difference who is in the white house because people are still going to be doing that
I also have investments in tobacco companies.
And I just think, you know, how is that going to be affected in any way by whoever occupies the White House?
And so consequently, I look at my portfolio and I'm comfortable with what is in there.
And that was the reason why I said I don't see how the next president in any way is going to affect my shares.
Now, if the shares had fallen, and they probably did on the day,
but I just never had an opportunity to go and buy more.
But if the shares had fallen on that day,
I really would have seen it as a great buying opportunity
rather than a selling opportunity.
And I just think that sometimes investors don't think things through
before they actually sell their shares
because they are just gripped by fear
and they think that is the way that you should be reacting
when, in actual fact, you should be reacting the opposite way and saying, how are those
shares going to be affected?
And if they're not, then it just presents itself as being a good buying opportunity.
Let's move away from the election for a moment.
When you look at emerging markets, they've done better in 2016.
It's been a while since emerging markets have had a good year, but they've done better in
2016, certainly than the U.S. market has done.
I'm curious, as we head towards the end of this year, if there are any markets or particular countries that are on your radar as an investor.
Oh, certainly, Chris.
And before I answer that, I have to give you an example of how emerging markets can cope.
So I remember back in the 1960s and 70s when America had a huge amount of influence on trade here in Southeast Asia.
And at the time, many of the shopkeepers, some of whom couldn't really sort of speak English very well or American very well,
they knew they had to learn the language in order to do business with American tourists
who were coming over here.
And so many of them started to learn English.
And then we had the 1980s when Japan started to rise.
And all of a sudden, the shopkeepers realized that it was important that they learn Japanese.
And so what happened then was that they started to go to Japanese classes, and they started to pick up the Japanese language in order to deal with Japanese tourists who were coming into Southeast Asia and coming into places like Hong Kong and Singapore.
Now, my point is that emerging markets here in Southeast Asia survive regardless of whatever happens.
Now, if Donald Trump is true to his word and he says that he's going to start erecting barriers and he's going to start making it difficult for Southeast Asian countries to do business with America, and I don't think that's ever going to happen.
I do believe that Donald Trump is a very pragmatic businessman, and I think that he is not going to close the doors to Southeast Asia.
But if he did, all that will happen in the emerging markets here in Southeast Asia is that they'll look for new markets.
They will just look for new customers who will buy their products.
So if America doesn't want to buy our products, then, of course, we will sell our products and our wares somewhere else.
And we'll just knock on the doors of other countries in order to sell.
So, I think the big lesson about the emerging markets over here, Chris, is that we are survivors, and we will survive regardless of whatever happens.
And I know this event with the election of Donald Trump has been pretty seismic, but it is in those seismic conditions that the industries here really sort of come to their fore.
And these are the kind of industries that I am looking for, Chris, these kind of companies who will be able to survive regardless of whatever happens.
All right, last question, and then I'll let you go, because I know that your business day is just beginning. Before you were a highly respected financial commentator, you were a bookmaker back in the day.
And your former colleagues in the UK have had to pay off some really big long-shot bets this year.
Donald Trump, the Brexit vote, Leicester City winning the Premier League.
I'm curious, when you saw those long shots having to be paid off, what was your reaction?
Were you just happy that you were no longer in that line of work, or did you feel some
sort of commiseration with your former bookmaking colleagues?
Oh, well, I tell you, Rob, Jess, I mean, that is the beauty of bookmaking.
The bookmakers hate favorites coming in.
They always like the long shots, because you know that if you have a big race and you have
the hundred-to-one winner coming in, there aren't going to be that many people that will
be betting on the long shots.
Everybody has their money on the favorites, which is really how bookmakers survive.
And the thing about bookmakers is that they don't really care who wins,
whether it is the favorite or the long shot that comes in,
because the book is constructed in such a way that they will make a 10% profit
or a 20% profit on that particular book.
So I think this is the same situation here.
It doesn't really matter who wins.
I know from a political standpoint, people will say it does matter, say that you're talking
rubbish, because it does matter who is going to be occupying the White House.
But from a business perspective, I don't think it really matters.
And I am not troubled in any way by a Trump presidency, because I think that businesses
have the ability to survive, just like bookmakers have the ability to survive.
And let's say they didn't make a great deal of money on the Trump vote or on the Brexit vote.
There's always another race coming along.
So it is on the next race that you'll be able to sort of start making even bigger money.
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David Kuo, always good to talk to you, my friend.
Thank you so much, Chris.
You have a great day.
And we're looking forward to another great day here in Singapore, too.
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Chris Hill here in studio once again with Jason Moser, Andy Cross,
and Ron Gross. Before we get to the stocks on our radar, a couple of things real quick, guys.
A little bit more earnings from Wayfair, the online home furnishings company. They didn't
just lose money in the third quarter, Jason. They lost four times the amount of money that
they lost a year ago. Shares fell nearly 20% Tuesday morning after the report, and by Friday,
they had finished up about 7% for the week. What in God's name is going on with this company?
It is a very volatile holding, and that is something that I think investors need to accept
with this company, at least in the near term. Because as you noted, still losing money.
I think really that the most important thing they can do right now is figure out a way
to at least get profitable. The big question really is all down to just, when they pull
back on their spending to grow the business and acquire customers, are they going to have
enough brand loyalty to keep that wheel spinning and grow this business? So, for Wayfair, it
It all boils down to the percentage of orders that come from repeat customers. As they continue
to pay to acquire new customers, that's expensive. They eventually want to have these customers
coming back for more, they don't have to pay for those acquisitions, and it makes the business
more profitable down the road. These numbers are trending in the right direction, but it
is a difficult business to set up. It requires constant spending to build out that infrastructure.
It is a very Amazon-like business model in that regard. I'm really conflicted with this
You know, I like the company, I like leadership, I like the opportunity there, but when we
model out the numbers, there is a big question mark as to how big they can grow this consumer
base and how many orders are these consumers going to place in a given year, given that
it's home furnishing. So, very competitive industry. Obviously, Amazon plays into it
in some degree. Just no easy answer with this one.
Our email address is radio at fool.com, from Halstead Frost in Austin, Texas. Can
When you tell listeners what you think of Periscope vs. Facebook Live, I'm just trying
to determine which has a brighter future. I'll just start. I think the future is pretty
bright for both when you think about streaming video. The quality is certainly good on both platforms.
Yeah, I tend to agree. I think Periscope was one that came in there and knocked
Meerkat out of the picture in the very beginning stages of live streaming. To see Facebook
Live come on and then not really knock out Periscope. Periscope has only gotten stronger.
I think that's a testament to the strength of both networks. Facebook, obviously, having
a very large network. Twitter having a big network in its own right. I foresee both of
these concepts doing very well in the years to come.
Is this like an ABC, CBS, NBC thing someday? We're talking three or four key networks
when it comes to streaming?
I absolutely believe that, yes, more and more people will be viewing their content
in this way. Twitter, for example, actually has an app on the Amazon and Apple TV now.
You can go watch sports on TV. I think Twitter and Facebook and others, Amazon even, are
really helping reshape this media space in the 21st century. They are going to be challenging
those networks that we traditionally grew up with.
Let's get to the stocks on our radar this week. We'll bring in our man Steve
Broido from the other side of the glass to hit you with a question. Ron Gross, you're up first.
What are you looking at this week? Well, I am sorry to sound like a broken record,
but in the age of Trump, I have to go back to Titan International, TWI, maker of industrial
tires and wheels. Stock is up 190% this year, but if you look at it over five years, it's still down
50%. So, it's good to get some context there. So, Trump has a $1 trillion infrastructure plan
that he says he's going to do. We talked about it earlier. Even if it's not even anywhere
near that, if it's half, it's a quarter of it. I like what that means for these types
of stocks. Even before this, the mining agricultural industries were looking up. Some of the infrastructure
was looking up. I think there's at least 40% upside left in this stock. Potentially significantly
more, depending on how these end markets rebound.
Steve, question about Titan International?
O' Knowing it's government and it's slow-moving, how long, let's just say a large
infrastructure bill was passed, how long does it take to trickle down to Titan International?
It would probably take a while. You'll start to see it show up in companies like
Caterpillar, which would be a great way to play this as well. It'll take a while, but
the stocks will reflect it in advance of that.
O' So, shouldn't Caterpillar really be your stock?
If you want a small cap, or a microcap even, you go with Titan. If you want a behemoth,
go with Chat.
O' Andy Cross, what are you looking at?
Transdime is a provider of aerospace parts, and we founded Hidden Gems in 2006.
It was a sub-billion dollar company around that.
It's at $14 billion today.
It's been a great winner for us.
They report earnings next week.
The aerospace products they provide to all different kinds of companies who make jet parts and equipment,
90% of their revenues are tied to products that are specific to Transdime,
and about 60% of their sales are aftermarket parts.
So when I look at the aerospace market, I look at more and more growth in aero travel,
the more demand that we're going to have for higher efficient products that fly through the air,
I think Transom's a good play to be.
Steve?
Can they make something to make planes quieter?
Is there a part that they could put in that's incredibly loud when you're in a plane?
Yeah, there's a lot of the new carbon fiber parts that go into the new Dreamliner 787
7 are designed to help not just fuel-efficient, but make the experience all that better. Trans-Ime
could play there.
And the ticker?
TDG.
Jason, what are you looking at?
Home Depot earnings are coming out next week. Ticker is HD. This has really proven to be
one of the more Amazon-proof businesses out there. They benefit from all weather, whether
you rent or own your home. You talk about a large market opportunity, and this is the
biggest footprint out there, really. These guys have actually grown earnings per share
over the last five years at an annualized rate of 21%. And when you think about that
top-line growth was only 5%, they were very good at bringing things down to the bottom
line. I suspect that's going to continue. The stock is down year-to-date, but the longer
you stretch that timeline out, it is just really phenomenal how bigly shareholders have
won with Home Depot.
Steve, what's the last thing you personally bought at Home Depot?
Wow, gee whiz.
That's why the stock's down year-to-date.
Yeah. I'm going to have to think about that one. Probably some paint.
I wonder, in the age we saw interest rates tick up here, mortgage rates are higher than they were,
I wonder if that hits Home Depot a bit for at least the near term.
I don't think in the near term. I think longer term, that's perhaps something to keep an eye on,
but I think it's going to take so long to get those up.
What do you like, Steve?
I'm going Home Depot.
I just bought a plunger there. Does that count, Steve?
It sure does.
That's going to do it for this week's show. Thanks for listening.
We'll see you next week.
