Motley Fool Hidden Gems Investing - Will EV Stocks Make a Comeback in 2026?
Episode Date: June 10, 2026Five years ago, electric vehicles were the talk of the market. But in the U.S., sales of electric vehicles are falling and competition is heating up. With that backdrop, Rivian has introduced the R2 a...nd investors still think this will be a game-changer for the company. We discuss the vehicle and company’s prospects, whether autonomy will be a tailwind, and get to hidden gems on our watchlist in this episode. Travis Hoium, Lou Whiteman, and Rachel Warren discuss: - Rivian’s R2 launch - The decline of EVs in the U.S. - Will autonomy be a value add for EV companies? - Hidden gems in the EV market Companies discussed: Rivian (RIVN), Tesla (TSLA), Quantumscape (QS), General Motors (GM), Lucid (LCID), Uber (UBER), NXP Semiconductors (NXPI). Host: Travis Hoium Guests: Lou Whiteman, Rachel Warren Engineer: Dan Boyd Disclosure: Advertisements are sponsored content and provided for informational purposes only. The Motley Fool and its affiliates (collectively, “TMF”) do not endorse, recommend, or verify the accuracy or completeness of the statements made within advertisements. TMF is not involved in the offer, sale, or solicitation of any securities advertised herein and makes no representations regarding the suitability, or risks associated with any investment opportunity presented. Investors should conduct their own due diligence and consult with legal, tax, and financial advisors before making any investment decisions. TMF assumes no responsibility for any losses or damages arising from this advertisement. We’re committed to transparency: All personal opinions in advertisements from Fools are their own. The product advertised in this episode was loaned to TMF and was returned after a test period or the product advertised in this episode was purchased by TMF. Advertiser has paid for the sponsorship of this episode. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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Do we have a new winner in the EV market?
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Welcome to Motley Fool Hidden Gems Investing.
I'm Travis Hoyum, joined today by Lou Whiteman and Rachel Warren.
And before we get started, I actually want to mention that we have the SpaceX IPO coming
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But now on to our regularly scheduled topic.
That is electric vehicles.
Guys, we don't talk about electric vehicles nearly as much as we did a couple of years ago.
A lot of different changes in the market from incentives to the amount of competition in the market.
But we did get some news yesterday.
Rivian is actually starting to sell the R2.
So I wanted to kind of dive into what's going on in this EV market
because this is where there potentially could be some hidden gems for investors
because some of these stocks are pretty beaten up from their all-time highs.
Rachel, does the EV market still have growth after some of these tax changes?
And what's sort of the competitive dynamics there?
Because I want to get kind of an overview of what's going on.
this is no longer just a Tesla centric market anymore. Yeah, that's very much the case. And
it's interesting some of these dynamics as we've seen a shift in consumers leaning towards used
versus new EVs. And I'll dive into that a bit. I think the shift from the federal incentive
structure has had more of maybe a trickle down effect than some would have thought. I mean,
this idea of transitioning from a one time point of sale credit to a multi-year loan interest
deduction, obviously it applies to multiplicity of vehicles, not just EVs, but we're going to
focused on the EV market here. You've got a $10,000 annual tax deduction on American-made
auto loan interest. And so it offers long-term savings for certain brackets, but obviously you
also, as a buyer, you have to have the upfront capital or credit to absorb that initial purchase
price. And so when the federal government ended the $7,500 point of sale credit for new EVs,
obviously this created a dynamic where these cars became a lot more expensive for a lot of
average consumers. Now, what's been really interesting to look at is how we're seeing
growth in the used EV market. Obviously, these are vehicles that will have already absorbed that
massive first year depreciation that we tend to see. There's an upfront discount built into the
sticker price. And for manufacturers, it's created a bit of a bifurcated market. You've got kind of
tech forward or premium brands that can leverage these shifts, but a lot of the legacy manufacturers
are maybe going to be struggling to lower some of their retail prices fast enough to keep pace.
One final thing I'll note, early adopter EVs leased or bought in recent years are now hitting
the used market in massive numbers. And that means that secondary market supply is very high. And in
some cases, it could drive used EV prices down to near parity with traditional gas cars if we look
ahead the next five years or so. And I also think as these early generation EVs, they lease out,
they flood the secondary market. There's a question, could this cannibalize new car demand?
That we will have to see. Yeah, Lou, it's really interesting to see the competitive dynamics in
this space. And, you know, we've been looking at the industrials and the auto industry for a very
long time. But if you just look at the number of new EVs sold, it seems like the tax credit ending
did impact sales starting in the fourth quarter, as you would naturally think of 2025 when that
rolled off. 216,000 units, according to Cox Automotive, that's down from about three or
four years ago. And the numbers are essentially flat over that period of time. So there has not
been this huge adoption curve. At the same time, and I think this is what's really interesting as
we look at this from an investment perspective, I just pulled the number of electric vehicles
in the SUV category. And there's now with the R2, that puts us at 20, 20 competitors in the market.
Five years ago, there was essentially two.
It was either you get a Model Y or a Model 3.
Yeah, I will forever wonder how much of the drop-off is due to the tax credit
and how much of it is just all the early adapters got theirs,
and it's just not a mainstream product yet.
But that's sort of what the R2 is trying to solve.
In theory, they are trying to become kind of the Subaru of the EV market.
Do you think they can do that?
Because looking at the list, I mean, the Chevy Equinox is about $10,000 less starting point.
You have the Ford Mustang Mach-E, which is about $5,000 less than that $45,000 starting point.
The ID.4 from Volkswagen.
It isn't like there's nothing out there in this category.
Oh, no.
And the iX3, you know.
Look, I'd even put like some of just the hybrid vehicles from Toyota and Honda right there as sort of real competitors.
Like Rachel mentioned, there's no advantage in that interest deduction credit for EVs now.
So there's nothing that really makes them special.
Can they do it?
So they are trying to offer this idea that you get a more premium feature loaded soft road product.
And again, I would say arguably BMW and Volvo and some of these might say, hello, we're here.
To me, though, I don't really I mean, we have to care about market share.
They need to generate cash from these, but they designed the R2 in such a way where the bill of materials, basically, which is a way of how much it costs to actually make it or the stuff that goes into it, is about half of what the R1S was.
They need this to be a margin driver much more than they need it to be just kind of taking over the world or becoming the new Toyota Corolla.
So, you know, there's a niche there.
They can do it.
But, I mean, even then, I'm not sure because, unfortunately, kind of they want to position this as a, if not luxury, at least a more quality product at about half of the expense of, you know, they took a lot out of it to get there.
So, I think they're in a tough place, but I do think there is a window of a market there.
I don't think we should really focus on, like, just volume here.
we need to focus on can they do this profitably and actually move some of these things to to that
point one of the things that i think is really hard to look at with a company like rivian and
the launch of the r2 is i think it is an attractive vehicle uh it it has a niche in the market but it
is a niche and that niche is filled by a lot of vehicles if you look if you're looking in that
let's say, $40,000 to $50,000 price range for an SUV that can seat four or five people,
you're not just looking at Rivian. You have Jeep. You have a bunch of offerings from Chevy,
Ford, the big US automakers, some of the international automakers.
Is there enough of a market there to be a niche player that can have the volume that can ultimately
drive to profitability? I mean, we're investors. Fundamentally, that is the question,
is you, you can't have a plant that can make 400,000 vehicles, which they are, they, they need
to build this Georgia plant and then have it sitting idle. The economics just don't work.
Yeah. And, and again, I think it's a very narrow road to this all working out. I do think they're
pursuing a path, but like the market we're in, you want to have diversity of product, just kind
And for revenue, I mean, to put all of your chips in one basket, so to speak, you know,
just the nature of this business, I don't know if there is just a product that can make
this work.
I think the R2 is a decent attempt at it.
But yeah, as investors, I am more cautious or more, you know, gun-shy here than I am
bullish or excited about this.
They always had a tough challenge.
I think with Elon, we've forgotten the fact that most automakers, it doesn't work out for.
Tesla is the exception to the rule, not the rule.
So I don't think we're saying anything we don't know about Rivian.
But just because the R2 is out there, it's not just slam dunk success.
The other note with Tesla's economics is if you look throughout their history, the high margins that they eventually got to happened during the pandemic.
When there was a lot of demand for vehicles and there wasn't enough supply for vehicles.
Tesla was one of the companies that kept producing vehicles.
They didn't make the same chip mistakes that a lot of the legacy automakers did.
So they actually raised their prices during the pandemic.
Coincidentally, those margins went up at the same time
as we've gotten back to more of a normal state of supply for the industry.
Tesla's margin is actually not any better than any of the other legacy automakers.
So we'll see where Rivian can come out there.
The one thing that they would like to point out, and we'll see if this is going to be something in
the future, is software that they're selling. So we're going to talk about how autonomy could
potentially be a tailwind for Rivian and other automakers next. You're listening to Motley Fool
Hidden Gems Investing. Welcome back to Motley Fool Hidden Gems Investing. If we're going to
talk about electric vehicles, we need to talk about autonomy as well. This is the software
as a service that a lot of these companies are selling tesla started this rivian has launched
their autonomy products planning to be fully autonomous level four i believe it would be not
level five in 2028 but again more and more competition coming into the market i mentioned
rivian lucid also has a deal with neuro and uber so lou is this the kind of thing that could be a
growth avenue for ev companies specifically to kind of differentiate themselves in a different
away from the legacy automakers or are they just talking about this a little bit differently than
everybody else yeah no this is not going to be the answer here and i'm sorry because you're not
excited to pay a hundred dollars a month not to drive your vehicle that's supposed to be fun to
drive well i mean yeah there's a point to that but uh i'm i'm not a car guy for one thing i mean
vehicles are utilities they are for to get me from point a to point b so i'm not the one to ask here
But look, first of all, you have to convince me that Rivian and Lucid and all of these companies can really come to market at the timetable they're hoping for.
Tesla and even Waymo have shown that this is a very, very hard problem to solve.
So I am going to take the over on all of the timetables.
Secondly, you have to explain to me how these products can still provide a competitive advantage, a differentiator, in a moment where Detroit is not standing still and Detroit is coming out with their own products as well.
There is a long tradition here that goes back to the lowly windshield wiper. Technology, innovation, all of these things come out. It's a premium thing for a moment and then it becomes commoditized. Today's premium upgrades are tomorrow's standard features. That's what most likely comes out of this.
That's how the trend continues. I'm not saying they shouldn't invest in here, but the difficulty
is, is this is not going to be premium. This is going to be table stakes. If not autonomous,
at least driver assist. Everybody is there. The Honda I bought has all of these tools for free
that you can basically, you shouldn't, but you can basically self-drive on the highway.
You can do that right now for free with the Honda. Explain to me how in five years,
this is going to be a premium source of revenue for some other company.
OK, Lou, I want to I want to push you on some of the things that have been premium in the past and then have become standard because I think you and I are both old enough that we can we can play the old man shouting at clouds characters here where automatic windows were not standard when I was a kid.
Airbags used to be a premium feature.
I hope you want to buy this vehicle because it has airbags, whereas this other one doesn't.
So is that are those a couple more examples of the things that you're talking about, that these are premium until everybody has them?
I mean, leather seats.
Yeah.
And, you know, look, and we're seeing it today.
Adaptive cruise control.
There are still when I was shopping for there was one automaker, not one of these, that still you had to pay a package, not a subscription fee, but a package for adaptive cruise control.
I looked at six different vehicles.
The other five of them, it was free.
It was standard.
Yeah, that's that.
package is not going to last. There's just so long of a history here. If everybody would collude
with each other and agree to never give this away, but this is a highly competitive, low margin
industry. And if you're putting all of that money into it, you try to take advantage in near term,
that just always leads to commoditization. And that's where we're headed with this too. I have
no doubt about that. All right, Rachel, is autonomy something where a company like Rivian
can differentiate itself? Or is Lou right that this is just going to be the next windshield
wiper, the next, you know, power windows that we look back and, you know, my kids,
once they start driving, go, wait a second, you used to have to actually drive your vehicle?
You know, I don't think it's going to necessarily be a differentiator. And I'll explain why I have
a little bit of a different take than Lou. But I also don't think it's going to become
so commoditized that at least not five to 10 years from now, this is just the norm in every vehicle.
But kind of going back to that idea of autonomous software being the thing that drives revenue forward, that expands margins for these unprofitable cash-burning companies, I think that is a very difficult hill to climb.
I mean, first you have to think about the technology itself.
It faces what I would say is sort of the severe 99% problem, meaning that software can handle standard highway driving, but mastering that final 1% of the chaotic, unpredictable urban edge cases,
it requires a computing power and software sophistication that a lot of these pure play
EV startups or other automakers are burning billions trying to solve without having a
guaranteed timeline. There's also the capital destruction that goes back to hardware redundancy,
right? I mean, if you're looking at integrating expensive LiDAR, dual super chip processors,
redundant braking and steering systems into these mass market vehicles, that is a really
significant weight on corporate profitability. And that also trickles down to the consumer at
a time when a lot of consumers are demanding more price accessible cars. And then finally,
the other note I'll make, we were seeing these commercial fleet partnerships with the likes of
Uber, but it's not a silver bullet. There's still a really crushing operational burden that a lot of
these automakers are going to have. There's the wear and tear and rapid depreciation of these
high utilization commercial vehicles. One final thing I'll note, you think about how standard
cars are designed for a consumer who maybe drives 12,000 or more miles a year. But a commercial
robo-taxi is often running constantly in dense city centers. There's really accelerated mechanical
wear and tear. So there's a lot of really practical realities that even if you see this software
becoming the go-to for these automakers, I don't think it offsets the costs that they're going to
be experiencing elsewhere. And that's where when you have a really unprofitable company burning
cash, I think they're already facing an uphill battle. The analogy here may just be the EDV,
the delivery vehicle that was supposed to be, you know, 100,000 units of demand from Amazon.
I actually see these around every once in a while. They're huge. I'm sure they're great
and they're efficient. And they seem like they hold a lot of boxes. But it has not been a huge
sales driver for Reagan. So sometimes these, you know, hey, this is going to be our silver bullet
it just doesn't quite materialize. All right. I think we have plenty of questions about what
the future of some of these EV companies are, especially Rivian and the economics.
But when we come back, I want some Hidden Gems stock ideas because there are some
opportunities out there. We'll get to that in a moment. You're listening to Motley Fool,
Hidden Gems Investing. Welcome back to Motley Fool, Hidden Gems Investing. Guys, as you look
at the EV market, are there any hidden gems?
Lou, I'm going to have you go first.
All right.
So the one I'm really still watching is QuantumScape, which is ticker QS.
And this is solid state batteries.
They are the breakthrough that need to happen to get me off the fence, to get me to buy
an EV.
Explain.
So why is solid state important?
Yeah.
So QuantumScape, and they're not the only ones doing this, but on paper, this is, well,
basically it is a more stable battery, period.
Lithium ion batteries are not stable.
that nickel some of these we're just not using great designs now we're using the designs we have
to use with a more stable battery a you can pack more into it so you don't have to charge as often
but also you can charge it a lot faster so the charging time would be about a gas station visit
so it would basically be what we're all used to and as consumers who would just give us what we
want these are really cool they've been around forever the hard part and it's taken decades to
even get close to this, is mass producing them. It is really, really hard to make them at scale
for automakers or others. QuantumScape is slowly getting there. They have great partners like
Volkswagen. It seems to be on the path. Again, there's others here too, so there's a lot of risk.
But if and when they get here, that's when the EV revolution is really going to happen.
We've been kind of, it's amazing the numbers we've sold given the lack of technology we have here
to solve problems, but it would solve so many issues from just the ability to pack them,
the number of batteries needed, some of the heat concerns and a lot of that. It is just a better
chemistry if you can do it at scale. Rachel? Yeah. The company on my watch list is NXP
Semiconductors, ticker NXPI. So they essentially dominate the automotive processing and battery
management systems market. And their proprietary microcontrollers, these are mission-critical
components, monitor things like cell voltage. They optimize thermal management, calculates
real-time range accuracy. So this means that a lot of major global automakers require their
hardware to prevent issues like battery degradation or catastrophic overheating.
And they have a really structural moat in radar processors, secure vehicle-to-everything
communication chips. So I think that if you're looking at the growth in advanced driver assistance
systems and you're looking for a potential direct beneficiary of that, you know, a profitable,
diversified hardware play like NXP semiconductors could be an interesting one to take a look at.
I'm going to play a little bit here, too, as well. Do you guys know the number two
EV manufacturer in the U.S.? General Motors.
General Motors.
Guess what?
General Motors stock over the past three years up 124% that beats Rivian, Tesla, Lucid, which is down 92%.
So, you know, take that with a grain of salt.
And QuantumScape.
And the stock is still trading for just six times forward earnings estimates.
So sometimes the obvious answer, which is the legacy companies are going to be just fine, is the hidden answer.
So it doesn't sound like a hidden gem, but I think if you're interested in EVs, take a look at GM.
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