Motley Fool Money - Assessing the Rise of Chinese EV Manufacturers
Episode Date: April 14, 2026Chinese electric vehicles are quickly becoming a dominant force in the industry. Rapid growth is putting these cars on the map worldwide, but it hasn’t necessarily translated into profits. We take a... listener question as a chance to dive into the Chinese Electric vehicle industry, the investability of these new vehicle manufacturers, and how it may shape or change our view of investing in the automotive industry writ large Tyler Crowe, Lou Whiteman, and Jason Hall discuss: - The rapid growth of Chinese electric vehicles - The increasing competitive landscape and how it impacts the investability of the sector - Whether the rise of Chinese EVs change the investment thesis in American automakers - Our most attractive stocks in the automotive industry today Companies discussed: BYDDF, GELYF, SAIC, TSLA, GM, F, GTX, RACE, ORLY Host: Tyler Crowe Guests: Lou Whiteman, Jason Hall Engineer: Dan Boyd Disclosure: Advertisements are sponsored content and provided for informational purposes only. The Motley Fool and its affiliates (collectively, “TMF”) do not endorse, recommend, or verify the accuracy or completeness of the statements made within advertisements. TMF is not involved in the offer, sale, or solicitation of any securities advertised herein and makes no representations regarding the suitability, or risks associated with any investment opportunity presented. Investors should conduct their own due diligence and consult with legal, tax, and financial advisors before making any investment decisions. TMF assumes no responsibility for any losses or damages arising from this advertisement. We’re committed to transparency: All personal opinions in advertisements from Fools are their own. The product advertised in this episode was loaned to TMF and was returned after a test period or the product advertised in this episode was purchased by TMF. Advertiser has paid for the sponsorship of this episode. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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We're deep diving into automotives in the Chinese EV market.
This is Motley Fool Money.
Welcome to Motley Full Money with the Hidden Gems team.
I'm Tyler Crow.
Today, I'm joined by longtime Fool contributors, Lou Whiteman and Jason Hall, who's
pulling in some spot duty for us.
This is kind of a wonky week for us.
Several of us are going to be attending a special Motley Fool member event and involves some travel.
So we're going to do a special deep dive into the Chinese electric vehicle.
market. We got a listener question related to this, and we thought it would be a great time to kind of
dive into this. So our question came in from Frederick May, and the question is, I hope you're all
doing well. I'm really intrigued by the developments we're seeing in the Chinese electric vehicles
sector lately. And I would love to hear your thoughts on a few things in the next podcast. I'm curious about
your perspectives on Chinese EVs with pricing pressure in China, Europe still having tariffs on Chinese
EVs, etc. So Chinese EV companies have become a real boogeyman for the industry.
The U.S. and Europe have put up barriers for Chinese auto manufacturers in the form of tariffs,
outright bans, both B.YD and Gili have overtaken Tesla in terms of global EV sales.
Well, companies like SAIC, Changan and Cherry, I've all vaulted in the top 10 and are really growing quite fast.
So I want to start with this question for both of you guys.
What's in the sauce with Chinese EV companies where they're having so much success?
I mean, the easy answer is Chinese customers buying Chinese goods.
But something's happening here where countries around the world are putting up trade barriers when it comes to Chinese-made EVs.
So, Lou, what are you seeing here?
Yes, there's trade barriers, but I think it's important to look at the direction of travel here because we are moving towards more acceptance of the Chinese companies.
The trends are for Europe, Canada, other parts of the world to be more receptive to these EVs.
Canada just switched from 100% tariff to 6.1%.
They did keep a cap in place on imports, so it's not a free market, but it's, you know,
even if the cap remains in place, it's supposed to raise over time. That is a thawing. That is an
opening of the market. In Europe, you have a similar story. They are moving away from tariffs and
towards price minimums. Just make sure you don't undercut our industry. And if you can do that,
sell as many as you want. It's hard to predict a future, guys. But the more of these vehicles
that are on the road in these regions, the more consumers in these regions will get to know them.
If the quality holds up, there will be a lot of pressure on governments to open up the market more.
This is sort of, we've seen this before, and I think, look, there's a lot of geopolitics,
maybe assisting in this, but I do think the trend is in the right direction for Chinese automakers,
and I don't think that's going to reverse anytime soon.
Lou, I don't think you're old enough to really remember when Japanese cars hit U.S. markets.
We were all kids. Tyler wasn't, didn't exist back then.
the idea of Tyler may have existed, but we kind of saw this happen when Japanese cars hit
U.S. markets. They were panned as small, cheap, unreliable, but it turns out they were exactly
the sort of disruption that Western automakers needed to get their act together because they
were making big, unreliable garbage cars. The result was consumers absolutely won. We've seen
Korean automakers over the past 15 years, 20 years really, kind of do some of the same thing
and disrupt. Cars are far more reliable. They're more fuel efficient. They're safer, just playing better
than ever. And I think that really started with Japan entering Western markets with cars.
I think China is going to do the same thing with the EV market. Frankly, Western countries have
been extremely protectionist of their domestic auto markets while at the same time trying to
have their cake and eat it too, while trying to take share in the explosive growth of the
Chinese market. Now, there is a legitimate argument that modern cars, with all the connected
technology, could present a security risk, right? That's one of the things that's been used as the
reason for a lot of these kind of trade walls that have been put in place. But look, that's
largely just been cover to lock Chinese automakers out of the West and to prop up domestic
automakers. I just, I firmly believe that what Lou said is right, is these Chinese EVs get
access to big Western markets. It's going to disrupt things in ways that are positive for consumers
in the long run. And in part, because of something that Japan had 40 years ago, Korea, South Korea
had 20 years ago, it's labor arbitrage plus the government playing a bigger role in the industry.
These Chinese companies also have something that Japan and South Korea never did. Massive natural
resources and the world's biggest steel and electronics components manufacturing infrastructure.
that's where the real silver bullet is for China when it comes to EVs.
Yeah, it almost seems like there was a little bit of writing on the wall
with Chinese EVU manufacturing where, you know,
supply chains were keeping push components and like parts of automotives
and doing like to the point starting making assemblies.
And it was almost like a matter of time before it's like,
hey, you know, if we take these five assembly pieces and put them together,
all of a sudden we've got a vehicle and now we're cooking here.
So there was a little bit of that sort of involvement.
But I do want to give two like anecdotes,
I think is a good example of this story that we're talking about. You said I'm too young to remember
Japanese markets, cars taking the market. But I do remember that I think it was like an early or
mid-80s like automotive magazine where they lined up a Buick and old little bill, a Pontiac and a
Chevrolet right next to each other. They were the exact same color. They were exact same like
body build, make. They looked exactly the same. And it was kind of like an indictment of the
American auto industry, getting very complacent with what they were doing and being like, look,
you almost deserve to get your hat handed to you because this is what you're putting out.
And one might argue a little bit of that is happening today.
The other anecdote, and this is a little bit behind the curtain here, I live overseas, a little bit
of personal disclosure here.
And I do live in a country where Chinese EVs are popping up everywhere.
This was a place that we would see a lot of, like, you know, imported cars from,
Japan, United States that were probably used cars or something like that.
And a lot of that is getting displaced by Chinese electric vehicles.
Almost all of the taxis these days are being quickly moved over to like BYDs or something
like that in the electric vehicle space.
So it is interesting to see it on an anecdotal basis really happening.
After the break, we're going to go from the business of making Chinese EVs to the
actual investability of the Chinese EV market.
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There's a little bit of irony in the emergence of new EV companies.
both in China and to the lesser degree, United States. It seems like the legacy automotive industry
spent the prior couple of decades on this massive consolidation streak. We saw mergers or the
hollowing out or discontinuation of various brands that people knew for decades. And similar moves
because there was this acknowledgement that the industry was probably too fragmented for anyone
to really make any money. And fast forward to where they thought they were in a good place. And now
all of a sudden we have all these new EV companies popping up and making their mark.
to varying degrees of success. And also, financially, it's starting to get a little strenuous as well.
Even this most recent quarter, BYD announced that it saw a 19% decline in profits,
in part because other EV companies are clawing to take share. BYD in 2025 was the largest producer
in China. And in the first quarter of 2026, it's the fourth largest. So it's really changing
quite fast. And this leads to a little bit of a question. You know, a setting aside, any thoughts,
on whether you can buy stocks on the Chinese mainland versus Hong Kong and some of the challenges
that come with trying to acquire Chinese stocks, do you see Chinese EV companies as good
investments right now? Because I see a fiercely competitive industry that's going to price
itself out of profits for probably several years. Yeah, let's back up because let's talk about
autos before we get into the Chinese specifically because I think it matters. Auto, as you say,
is a brutal industry, perhaps the most brutal industry. It might be a much brutal industry. It might be
past life, I had experience with automotive restructurings about 15 years ago. The rule of thumb
back then was $10 billion in the bank was break-even, just because of the complexity of the
accounts receivable down the supply chain. It's a nasty, hard business. And I think that explains
that first wave of consolidation over the last hundred years. Scale matters. Evis are different.
The supply chains are a little different, but I think that all of this suggests that there will
be consolidations, these standalones will end up as part of some new general motors, if not the
existing general motors. The difference this time is it won't necessarily be Detroit leading the
way. Detroit led the way in the last century because we had the biggest, most dominant companies
that were doing the best in extending their reach across the globe. Arguably, China this time,
because of the trends we mentioned earlier, has a big say in this, if nothing else. I do think it's
probably safe to invest in Chinese market leaders. BYD, I think is a good one. In Gile, you mentioned
them at the top. They own a ton of Western brands. They own Volvo. They own Aston Martin. They own
Polestar. That's a huge, huge leg up already in this consolidation process and in getting your brands
across the world. The challenges are real. I see better opportunities out there, be it Chinese
or U.S. automakers, so a very lukewarm endorsement. But yeah, I do think that there are Chinese
companies that will be among the winners. Yeah, for the most part, directionally, for certain,
I agree with Lou. I think Chinese EVs are going to take share and challenge Western automakers,
force them to innovate and improve, but I'm just less concerned that investors in those Chinese
EV companies are going to be big winners. Look, the CCP doesn't really care about the share
price being a big winner. It cares about building a durable industry that will employ large numbers of
Chinese and generate lots of revenue that it can take its share of. We should be honest to,
Lou, you hinted at it, but I want to be very clear about it. Automaker stocks that beat the
market writ large, their rarities to the point of possibly being extinct. Instead of looking
for the next Tesla, we should either be looking for pockets where there's predictable profitability,
and we'll talk about that next, or disruption that's happening somewhere else.
kind of stole my line here and coming up for after the break. We are going to take a broader look
at not just Chinese EV companies, but the automotive market writ large and look for opportunities.
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member NYSE, SIPC. I think another ironic twist in the EV story is just how a few months ago we started to see
big automotive makers in the United States pulled back from EV manufacturing and took some considerable
write downs as they tried to reshuffle or redo their portfolios. Some of them are saying,
It's a, hey, we just needed to redo it and require write downs as a result.
But, you know, that probably meant there was a little bit of a misstep here.
Now, I'm not going to say this was the sole reason.
But the decisions did line up quite nicely with the end of the EV tax credit in the United States,
which I think ended in, I believe, in October of last year.
So just a little bit of a timing seems very serendipitous here.
At the same time we're recording this, the Financial Times put out a story on the surge of
used EVs in the United States as the price of gasoline or petrol, if I'm being specific to the
financial times here. And because people are opting for EVs again because of high prices.
Now, I don't think I'm being controversial here when I say that a lot of automotive companies
have shot themselves in the foot a few times. And I feel like this EV reversal at a time when
everyone wants EVs again is just another example of that. I'm going to hold my nose and defend
Detroit here, because I actually think what GM and Ford made sense, and I don't think they
shot themselves in the foot. We've already said, this is a brutal industry. Investment takes
years to pay off. Yes, EV sales are rebounding now, but let's see where they are in six
months. And Tyler, remember, even if it holds, what do we talk? It's six, seven percent of
the total market. We're not talking about a huge part of the market, EV relative to the rest
of the industry. Ford and GM are big enough to walk and chew gum at the same time. They
took those charges to focus on their current production of hybrids and other products that
are in demand. Their job is to both generate cash today and invest in the future. They didn't
end their EV R&D. They are in a position to consolidate, say, the rivians of the world, even
if the time comes. I think they made the right move. I think they're fine. And yeah, it is a little
ironic that things have changed, but I'm not going to blame them for not predicting or seeing
what's going on with oil markets coming.
I would be far more terrified if the CEO of any of these large automakers was making
product decisions about what they were predicting that oil markets were going to do in the
short term, even over a two or three or five-year period.
If I'm running a big legacy automaker, I'm just trying to get it directionally right,
not perfect.
I actually, you know, I want to push back on that a little bit because I feel like a lot of
these companies do make those decisions on three to five-year windows.
Let's wind the clock back like 10, 12 years ago, where when shale price, the advent of shale
oil in the United States plummeted the price of oil, it took like two, three years.
All of a sudden, everyone was buying SUVs.
And before you know it, the modern American sedan from Ford and Chevrolet was gone.
And all they made was trucks and SUVs.
We can say that they don't make the decisions on these relatively short timelines,
but history suggests that they do.
Okay.
But what about today?
I mean, GM is still going to spend billions on EV research today. What they did was say that
these vehicles aren't selling the way we want to right now, so we need to retool our factories
to provide the products that people are buying now. That's what generates the cash to invest
in the future. Again, at its peak, EVs represented barely 10% of total U.S. sales.
The revolution didn't come as fast as they thought a few years ago. I don't think that,
that what they were doing was adjusting to the near term.
They were admitting that they made a mistake five years ago or so in saying, yes,
is this going to happen all night?
They were acknowledging that the timeline was going to be much slower than that.
And again, I do think that makes sense.
I think we should acknowledge, too, that something else that's happened over the past 15 years,
certainly over the past 25 years, is these larger vehicles that are still such an important part
of the profit for these companies are also, they're far more fuel efficient and they're more
reliable. So maintenance costs have come down. And even though fuel costs a lot more in terms of how
much it hits your wallet is less when you're getting 50% higher fuel economy on a large SUV today
than you would have if you bought it back in 2005. So I think that's part of the calculus too.
If we were to do a straw pearl real quick, we think we know who is the most negative when it
comes to automotive manufacturers here, which actually brings up, again, widening the lens
even further. Obviously, I think everyone's pretty clear on my opinion on automotive, or at least
opportunities in the automotive industry. It's why you're thinking about the OEMs and the manufacturers,
but putting it to you guys, and I'll give my thoughts at the end, where do you actually see
opportunities in automotive? Is it in these players, or are there other places where you can go?
Even in the best of times, the OEMs, these big automakers, are low-margined companies.
All this talk of tech-based innovation and subscription models in the future, Balderdash.
Consumers are used to new tech becoming standard, and you basically are for, I mean, I just bought a car,
and everything that I would have had to pay up for is now standard as far as safety features.
There isn't a way to make this a high-margin tech business, period.
I don't want to invest in them.
The real place to be, for me, is the well-run suppliers, an emphasis on well-run, because
until recently, those were hard to find. There was a really, really brutal restructuring
of the, especially Tier 1 and Tier 2 suppliers. The net net is we do have a bunch of strong
companies. Garrett Motion Tickert GTX is the one I've done well in, but there are others out there.
That's the only part of this puzzle that I really want to look at.
Yeah, and as much as there's growth in markets like China, globally, the auto industry
is pretty mature. So as a result, you know, capture, it's kind of zero sum to some degree. And if there's
anything that we didn't learn from Japan, if we didn't learn from South Korea, we better
learn here with the Chinese EV story. Most automakers are price takers. And if you're not the
low-cost leader, you have nowhere to go when things are bad. Because of that, if nothing else,
this industry is in the too hard pile for me.
It's just putting in the effort to try to find a little bit of alpha is just not worth the time,
frankly, to me, because as Lou said, there's other places to invest where there's better
opportunities and the lift is a lot lighter.
With that said, I do think there's some exceptions.
Ferrari is a good one, ticker race, R-A-C-E.
Yes, it builds cars, but this is an election.
elite, luxury, scarcity business. The cars that it builds are some of the most desirable vehicles
on earth. And then it makes sure to under supply the market. That's such an important part of
the formula. Stock trades for about 32 times earnings. I mean, that sounds expensive, but you look at
the margins and the cash flows, and it's actually pretty attractive. It's actually a level,
if you go back to 2020, the stock has only traded out for a few months in the past six years.
Another area of the auto industry that I think is compelling is you find really good operators
like Lou was talking about, and you can look at retail auto parts, O'Reilly Automotive, for example,
ticker ORLY. It's getting interesting again. Its earnings multiples near the high end of its range
over the past decade, but its cash conversion cycle is the thing of legends. And its business is a little
countercyclical, too. It does well when the economy's strong. And when automakers are struggling and
discounting the hell out of everything because people aren't buying new cars. You know what people are
doing? They're spending more money to maintain their older cars. Well, I said I was going to give my
opinion in my stock, but unfortunately, Jason stole it with O'Reilly. So I guess, and he gave two anyways.
So, you know what? I'm going to have to leave it at that. And I'll just double upvote O'Reilly
automotive in terms of the great companies in kind of the ancillary parts of the automotive market
that do incredibly well despite the brutal, brutal industry that is the automotive makers.
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