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Episode Date: August 17, 2026Berkshire Hathaway is a net buyer of stocks again for the first time in nearly 4 years, but new CEO Greg Abel still had some surprising stocks to sell during the quarter. Jon, Matt, and Rachel break d...own Berkshire’s latest moves before answering a listener question regarding how to spot a winning stock early before finishing the episode by running some Berkshire stocks through some Hidden Gems mental frameworks. Jon Quast, Matt Frankel, and Rachel Warren discuss: -Berkshire buys stocks again-Greg Abel’s changing approach-Hidden Gems Investing’s favorite AI scoring categories-Why housing stocks could be Hidden Gems-Why the AI industry is still a great place to look for Hidden Gems Companies discussed: Berkshire Hathaway (BRK.A)(BRK.B), Alphabet (GOOG)(GOOGL), D.R. Horton (DHI), Kroger (KR), Delta (DAL), Rocket Lab (RKLB), Dream Finders Homes (DFH), Forgent Power Solutions (FPS) Host: Jon QuastGuests: Matt Frankel, Rachel WarrenEngineer: Kristi Waterworth Advertisements are sponsored content and provided for informational purposes only. The Motley Fool and its affiliates (collectively, "TMF") do not endorse, recommend, or verify the accuracy or completeness of the statements made within advertisements. TMF is not involved in the offer, sale, or solicitation of any securities advertised herein and makes no representations regarding the suitability, or risks associated with any investment opportunity presented. Investors should conduct their own due diligence and consult with legal, tax, and financial advisors before making any investment decisions. TMF assumes no responsibility for any losses or damages arising from this advertisement. We’re committed to transparency: All personal opinions in advertisements from Fools are their own. The product advertised in this episode was loaned to TMF and was returned after a test period or the product advertised in this episode was purchased by TMF. Advertiser has paid for the sponsorship of this episode. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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Berkshire Hathaway just did something it hasn't done in three years.
Motley Fool Hidden Gems Investing starts now.
Welcome to Motley Fool Hidden Gems Investing.
I'm your host today, John Quast.
I'm joined by Foolish contributors that are always joining me on Monday, Matt Frankel and Rachel Warren.
On today's show, we're responding to a mailbag question.
And to respond, we're going to pull back the curtain, so to speak, on some AI tooling that we're using in the Hidden Gems universe.
But first, we wanted to talk about Berkshire.
Hathaway because it was busy in the second quarter here. So we do like to talk about Berkshire Hathaway
around here. On the one hand, it's a trillion dollar company. And so kind of like Ron Burgundy,
it's kind of a big deal. But on the other hand, I think many of us have learned and gleaned wisdom
from investing grades like Warren Buffett and Charlie Munger over the years. So we're kind of
endeared to the company for that reason. But speaking of Buffett, there is a new sheriff in town at
Berkshire, and it is not Buffett, it is CEO Greg Abel. And really for the last three years,
actually for more than three years, Berkshire Hathaway has been a net seller of stocks going back
to the first quarter of 2022. And if you look at the S&P 500 returns since the start of 2022,
the market is up 63%. So Berkshire are really missing out on a big bull market. And yet now all of a
sudden, it is no longer a net seller, right, Matt?
Yeah, and first of all, I love how you sneak a Ron Burgundy dad joke right into the opener.
I love that. But yeah, you're right. Berkshire was a net seller of stocks for 14 consecutive quarters. I'll save you the 20-22 math.
So the reversal is kind of a big deal. The company was a net buyer of about $20 billion of stocks.
They bought about $24 billion. They sold $4 billion. So it works out to a $20 billion net addition to the portfolio.
And that's in addition to buying back about $4.5 billion of its own stock and closing on the
acquisition of Home Builder Taylor Morrison during the quarter, which cost them $8.5 billion by itself.
So of course, $10 billion of this was a previously announced private placement in alphabet stock
that added to its position, which I'm sure we'll talk about again sometime in this show.
There were a lot of buys. It was a significant addition to the portfolio this quarter.
Rachel, I couldn't help but think about this. The stock market does seem.
somewhat overvalued right now, at least by some metrics that you look at, it seems that way.
And Warren Buffett has been known, he's made his mark as a value investor. And so even though
the market has risen 63% since it became a net seller, I think that investors could kind of
wrap their head around the fact that maybe Warren Buffett thinks that it's overvalued and he
doesn't want to participate. That kind of makes sense. But now here we have the market at an all-time
high and now we are reverting to be a net buyer. So I guess I'm just wondering, do you think that
new CEO, Greg Abel, do you think that he actually does see value and is continuing that
value investing mantra of Berkshire Hathaway, that ethos of the company? Or is it something
different that maybe he's not quite a stickler on price as perhaps his predecessor was? I think that's
kind of the golden question right now. I mean, this is something Matt mentioned for 14th consecutive
quarters, Berkshire was aggressively hoarding cash, kind of signaling the broader market looked vastly
overvalued. You know, breaking that streak to become a net buyer of nearly $20 billion in a single
quarter, especially while the indices are sitting near all-time highs. I think it tells us that
Abel, through Berkshire, they're not just waiting, you know, for a market crash. It also doesn't
mean that the entire market is cheap. I think we are seeing a lot of overvaluation in a wide range of
sectors right now. To me, the bigger takeaway is that under Abel's leadership, Berkshire is aggressively
hunting for those high conviction pockets of value. You know, you think about how they just boosted
the alphabet stake by about 83%, pouring $10 billion through private placement to fund Google's
AI infrastructure recently. You're looking at a roughly $38 billion bet that vaults Alphabet into
Berkshire's top three holdings alongside Apple and American Express. So I would argue that Abel,
he isn't throwing out the value investing playbook, but I think he's modernizing it for the current
era that we're in with a lot of focus on the dominant tech infrastructure that is fueling a lot of
the current stock market and the broader global economy. And I know we'll talk about this a bit more
in a second, but what makes this shift really interesting is how it will fund it by cleaning
house, trimming some of those financial and retail stakes like Bank of America, Kroger, and then funneling
that right back into a lot of these bets into the future of tech and AI. And I find that to be
really, really fascinating shift. Okay, so Berkshire was a net buyer, but Matt, it wasn't only buying stocks
during the quarter. There were also some cells and some trims there. I want you to walk us through
that. What was it doing here in the second quarter? The headlines said, Rachel just mentioned one.
Bank of America was the largest sell by dollar volume, but this is the fifth consecutive quarter
they've trimmed that stake. So I'm not sure I'd call that a surprise by any stretch. It's still one of the top
five holdings in the portfolio. It's still 9.3% stake in the company. Trimmed the few
other financials, Capital One was cut by more than half.
Ally financial was slightly trimmed.
Ally generally seems like they trim it to keep the stake just under 10%.
Over time, they buy back stock and the stake goes up.
They reduced exposure to new core during the quarter.
For me, the biggest surprise out of the cells was trimming that steak in Kroger that
Rachel mentioned.
That was the one that really stood out to me.
Right now, if I'm looking at what's going on geopolitically, if I'm looking at what's going
on just talking to friends about how they feel about the economy and where they're having to
cut back. It seems like not a great time to be getting rid of a company that people have to
go to no matter what. So it seems like a cautious play that I would expect, especially company
like Berkshire to hold on to an environment like this, but that's the one that really stood out
to me as a surprise. Rachel, do you agree or disagree with what Matt just said? Because I think I
kind of agree with what Matt said. You look at the market. It's at an all-time high. There's a lot
of fast moving pieces of the market, especially with AI, just constantly changing things. And we
ask, is this company going to have a business model in two years, three years, right? So a lot of
things change. And it just seems like in a portfolio, having a bellwether grocery store
business in there, even if it's a small stake, such as Kroger, but it makes a lot of sense.
I can see the rationale for having that to trim that at a time like that. It does strike me as
unusual. You know, it might seem counterintuitive, but I really think it reflects the broader
strategic shift that we are seeing in Berkshire's capital allocation under ABLE. I think that what
we're seeing right now, as he appears, very focused on consolidating the portfolio, pruning some of
those more defensive positions to fund larger commitments in areas like digital infrastructure
and housing, which do benefit from significant long-term tailwinds that can also go into the
portfolio. So I think it also aligns of a lot of the broader streamlining of the portfolio we've
seen in recent months, of course, as well following Todd Combs's departure. I think we're seeing
able really concentrate Berkshire's resources into a smaller number of dominant holdings rather than
maintaining fragmented retail stakes. And I think that at least so far, this seems to be kind of an
early hallmark of his leadership style as it pertains to the portfolio. Okay, Matt, final part of
this conversation, I think it's fair to say that Berkshire Hathaway's top brass has never fully
embrace the idea of portfolio diversification.
You know, within the Motley Fool world,
we don't think that it would be crazy for investors to hold, you know,
50 stocks as a really good diversification goal.
We think that might be a really good starting point.
Hey, I'm going to own 50 stocks in a portfolio.
Berkshire doesn't really go that direction, does it?
Well, and there's that famous Warren Buffett quote
that diversification is protection against not knowing what you're doing.
I interpret that as Buffett's investment style is one that most,
people shouldn't try to copy. You can take risks with that amount of money that I couldn't take
risks with my portfolio because I don't have $300 billion at my disposal. I don't have a longstanding
financial industry relationships that allow me to get investments that other people couldn't.
Buffett's most lucrative investment of the past, say, two decades is arguably his Bank of America
stake that came from the financial crisis. And it was a privately negotiated warrants and stock deal
that you and I couldn't get. So when you see that that became one of his large
positions, take the diversification comment for what you will. But I would push back on the fact
that Berkshire is not diversified because, yes, the stock portfolio has 77% of its value concentrated
in just five positions. Berkshire also holds 60 privately held companies in many different industries,
some of which are much larger than even those five stock holdings, maybe not the Apple holding.
I could make the case that Geico's worth more than most of Berkshire stocks or Berkshire Hathaway Energy
would be a top five holding. You can make the case that Clayton,
Holmes is worth $25 billion. I've done the back of the napkin math on that one. So I push back
that Berkshire's not diversified, but in its stock portfolio, it's definitely a concentrated group of
holdings. Okay, Rachel, final word here on this conversation. I want you to speak to Greg Abel.
What do you think about his first outing here as the CEO of the company? I think the real takeaway
here is that the era of Berkshire acting is sort of this hands-off passive index of the American economy
is drawing to a close. I think Abel is showing himself to be a far more active manager than
many had anticipated. I think we're seeing that he's willing to aggressive reallocate capital away
from some of these more traditional defensive bastions that Berkshire has been known for investing in
into more high conviction tech, even cyclical infrastructure. And I think as investors,
this also means that we can't just look at Berkshire through the lens of Buffett's mid-century value
investing playbook. This is now Abel's firm. He is managing it for a digital first resource-constrained
global economy. I think maybe we're also seeing signs that Berkshire is a bit more willing to accept
shorter-term market volatility in exchange for having horse stakes in the broader infrastructure
of the future. And maybe it's also a sign that Abel feels that one of the best ways to preserve
Berkshire's wealth is not just sitting on a mountain of cash, which they still have, of course,
a considerable cash stockpile to pull from, but also actively deploying into a lot of the
pillars of tomorrow's growth, those growth pillars over the next decade and beyond. That's what
this filing really showed me. Well, after the break, we're going to go.
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you know we normally don't take questions from our mailbag here in the second
segment but we're mixing things up today and the question that we got is a little bit long
so rather than read it i'm going to summarize but essentially this listener says that they
listen to our show every day and they love it. So first of all, thank you for that. Sometimes
you wonder on this side of the microphone if there's anybody out there. But listening to this show,
this listener found the company Rocket Lab, the space company, ticker symbol RKLB, found the stock
from listening to our show when it was trading in the single digits. And of course, it's
much higher than that now. And so the question was essentially, I found this stock listening to
your show right before it skyrocketed, no pun intended, found it right before it skyrocketed.
And the question is, what kind of screening can we do? So what kind of things do we screen for in a
stock to find it right before it skyrockets, find a momentum stock before it has momentum.
And I just wanted to say here as the host, I want to reframe this because that sounds a little
bit like looking for something at the right time and finding that momentum. And we're really not a
big fan of stock screeners, many of us, because there's an intrinsic flaw. They are always looking
backwards at what the company has done in measuring it against that. Whereas as long-term investors,
we're thinking more about the future. And not so much about momentum, but what are the things that
are actually creating durable, long-term shareholder value over time and adding to those businesses? However,
Within the Motley Fool universe, within Hidden Gems in particular, we are increasingly turning to AI tooling to create scores for many things in investing to help us in our research process.
And so I thought today it would be a good chance to talk to Matt and Rachel just kind of about the things that they like and some of the scoring that we're bringing to the table and how it relates to what we're talking about here with this listener question.
So Matt, I think we're going to go to you here first.
what do you look at in a stock to identify it early?
If there was an easy way to identify what stocks were going to 10x over the next two years,
all three of us would have retired on a beach somewhere a while ago.
There's no easy way.
So I want to preface this by saying that and putting that in very, very honest context.
But since the listener brought up Rocket Lab, let's use that as an example.
So consider what Rocket Lab looked like when it was trading at, say, $8 versus where it is today.
So even before the climb, it was already showing some of the things that I like to look for or screen for, if you want to use that term, to identify the next breakout candidates.
Not only growing revenue, but accelerating revenue growth, even though Rocket Labs revenue was small and still is relatively small for its market cap.
It was accelerating.
Its unit economics were improving.
That's definitely something to look at, especially in an unprofitable company.
The unit economics will tell you how the path to profitability is going to start to emerge.
a growing backlog of business.
It operates in a very large market that's misunderstood by most investors.
A lot of people really just don't understand the space economy just yet.
They have a founder leader who has a lot of skin in the game.
It's one of the big principles we look for in Hidden Gems.
I would suggest using things like this as kind of triggers for further research into a company,
not just as John mentioned, screeners are backward looking.
So not things that should say, okay, buy the stock today.
But on the topic of AI tooling, I'm going to use kind of a different direction.
So some smart ways that I like to use AI to my advantage when looking at stocks, especially if I identify something that looks like Rocket Lab did back then.
So I'll use AI to help me read and summarize earnings calls and especially 10Ks, which are annual reports.
I can't tell you if even before AI have I ever read a 10K from cover to cover.
I don't know if you guys have, you have more time on your hands than me if that's the case because they're well over 100 pages long.
You can find language like talking about accelerations that they're seeing in the business from management before they have.
show up in the numbers. You can find kind of nuance within conference calls that most people might
miss. Those are really good use cases for the AI tooling that we have. But just one key point I
would say is to use AI to compress your research time. Like I said, reading a 10K in 30 seconds as
opposed to three days, not to necessarily outsource your stock research, but to use it to give yourself
that time advantage. Yeah. And I want to double down on what you just said there regarding that. And I'll
turn it over to Rachel here, but Matt's talking about compressing the research time,
but Rachel, why even research at all if we have AI tooling? Why not just let the AI invest for us?
Can you speak to the human element of investing? I agree with Matt that this is an incredible
research tool. I mean, the thing is AI excels at processing historical data, identifying statistical
patterns. That's really key when you're trying to research a business, its model, understand
how it works behind the scenes to determine whether companies the right fit for your portfolio.
A.I. lacks the capacity to evaluate a lot of the qualitative dynamics that are also a really, really important part of evaluating businesses and seeing whether that aligns with the goals you set for your portfolio. You know, it can't gauge, for example, a CEO's integrity during a crisis or measure a lot of these other elements that AI can't really spit out. Now, investing ultimately involves your backing leadership that has to navigate unpredictable real world challenges. And so human judgment remains really essential, I think, to assess whether a
a leadership team possesses the adaptability to execute their vision when quantitative models
break down.
I think also outsourcing everything to AI can create a feedback loop, right?
We're all relying on the exact same data signals.
You know, AI tools screen for the same metrics.
They can crowd into the same trades.
Sometimes it can inflate valuations and even manufacture artificial momentum.
So I want to stress, AI is a fantastic research assistant.
Matt mentioned how he uses it for summarizing earnings calls, 10Ks.
I do the same. It's really, really helpful as well if you're trying to understand specific
industries that you want to invest in. A lot of these very complex, heavily regulated spaces like
healthcare, for example, you want to invest in that space. You don't have time to fully educate
yourself on all of the ins and outs. AI can be a really great tool to help you better understand
those industries. And then, of course, trickling down into better understanding individual
companies, their business model, the background of their leadership, the ways they make money,
their competitive advantages. All of this is really, really key. But ultimately,
it's also, I think, really important to apply human intuition as we make investment decisions,
pairing that with the incredible research analysis and prowess of good AI models.
I think that's where it really goes hand in hand as we build out profitable portfolios.
Yeah, and just some of the things that we're highlighting here, these are things that we are
scoring for, creating scores for that a screener's not going to pick up.
Things like leadership or revenue growth acceleration, these little nuggets, these little
ticks that are in the data and we score them. And then based on how things score in our databases,
then that's normally room for more human research that goes into it, right? We're not
automating the decisions. Those databases, of course, are open to some of our members. But, Matt,
I do want to turn it back over to you here because we are talking about something that was a
big home run, such as Rocket Lab, and there are many others in the Motley Full universe, but just to
point out that Rocket Lab up over 1,300 percent over the last three years, so if you invested 10,000,
In other words, you'd have more than 140,000 now.
We'd all love that.
But listen, I was looking and it's dropped.
About 40% or more six different times in the last three years.
That's roughly once every six months.
And losing those big things on the way to big gains, what do you have to say to investors
about that?
So Rocket Lab drew down.
You're correct.
40% or more six times in the past three years, including a 47% drawdown since it hit
that all-time high in May.
So very recently.
And this is a winning stock.
we're talking about. If it's not going quite as well, you could have even worse drawdowns.
I generally suggest that when you're looking for home run stocks in particular, you don't have to
think this way if you're investing in, say, Berkshire Hathaway, but be sure to size your position
so that a 50% drawdown won't seriously damage your portfolio. So be sure to keep your
individual risk tolerance in mind, your long-term goals in mind. Someone who's in their 60s and
getting ready to retire has a completely different outlook on investing in the next home-run
stocks than someone in their 20s or 30s. So keep that in mind,
But yeah, definitely plan on drawdowns, even if things are going well.
Yeah.
And I mean, it's so important to remember that losing money hurts.
Even if you've had big gains, pulling back from those big gains can hurt.
Rachel, do you have any tips on how to push through this pain to win this game?
Matt mentioned position sizing.
That's really key.
It's really important to understand what's in your portfolio.
Know the businesses that you own.
Understand the preferred diversification you have for your individual basket of holdings.
I think also really managing the emotional pain, if you will, of a drawdown.
You've got to really separate the daily stock price volatility from the operational progress
of the underlying business.
We know that market prices fluctuate constantly based on short-term sentiment.
Long-term wealth building revolves around corporate execution and quality business.
So let's say you have a high growth position in your portfolio that's under pressure.
You know, it could be good to review your original investment thesis, make sure that those
core advantages, those core competitive advantages, and that underlying thesis remains intact,
assuming that that is the case, reframing some of those drops as the necessary cost of admission
for market-beating returns. It can help remove some of the panic from the equation. It kind of help
anchor your decisions in logic rather than fear. And also, I think it helps to build in some
emotional guardrails. You know, if you're checking your portfolio every day, for example,
You might be constantly exposing yourself to that psychological sting of loss aversion.
That can trigger impulsive selling.
But if you take a step back, you're judging your success over three to five year or more time horizons rather than any short-term intervals,
that can give you and the companies you own the grieving room needed for your portfolio to execute the way that you intend.
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So here for the final segment, I wanted to talk about some of these stock.
in Berkshire's portfolio. We've just gone through some of the hidden gems,
scoring tools that we are using and talking about some of our favorite ones.
But Matt, I want you to go first here and just talk about what stands out to you from
Berkshire's portfolio and what do you see hidden gemsy in there?
Berkshire's clearly betting that the housing cycle is going to turn.
I mentioned that they just paid $8.5 billion to acquire Taylor Morrison, the big home builder.
That's on top of already having exposure through both Clayton's.
and their big real estate brokerage, Berkshire Hathaway Home Services. I also mentioned I can make a
good case that Clayton would be worth $25 billion or so as a standalone company. So it's really
interesting that Berkshire added to other home building stocks as well during the quarter.
D.R. Horton, they have in their portfolio, it's a very small position. I wouldn't even call it a
starter position. But Lanar is a significant investment for them, and Berkshire just increased that by
30%. They're really betting that pent up demand and a general housing shortage in the U.S. is going
lead to a surge in demand, especially if and when interest rates start to fall. So it's a very
hidden gems approach, I would call it. Homebuilders are cyclically cheap, and Berkshire is definitely
going against the crowd here. The most investors see high mortgage rates and poor affordability
of housing, not pent up demand and favorable unit economics of housing. So even after paying a
premium for Taylor Morrison, Berkshire still paid a pretty low PE ratio for that company. They're
buying the U.S. housing recovery, and they're buying misunderstood.
cyclically cheap leaders, pretty fair prices right now.
And that is one of the key components of Motley Fool Hidden Gems investing is understanding
what is misunderstood out there? What is the market getting wrong about something that
we intend to get right? And so you're saying that for Berkshire, that's housing. Are there
any housing stocks? Can you give an elevator pitch for something not in the Berkshire portfolio?
Sure. My biggest housing stock is a company called Dreamfinders Homes, D.F.H. They are not the lowest
risk home builder. They are willing to bet on a housing recovery.
have the most debt. It's still a reasonable level of debt, but they're the most leveraged of
the major home builders. They just signed an agreement to acquire Beezer homes, which they're
leveraging up even more for that. But they're acquiring it at a rock bottom valuation,
which, I mean, if they're right in the housing market turns, these are going to be home run
moves. So it's not for the faint of heart, but they are definitely going all in on a housing recovery.
Okay, Rachel, your turn. I want to know what your favorite scoring domain is in the Hidden
Jim's universe and where that applies to Berkshire's portfolio.
For me, I have to go with the AI score. I think it's one of the most exciting ones we have.
I think it helps us see which companies are actually using AI to change their business right now
rather than just talking about it. And if you look at Berkshire's recent moves, I think going
back to Alphabet, which I talked about earlier at the show today, I think this is a really
perfect example of why this score matters so much. You know, we are seeing a time where there's
a lot of debate about whether tech companies are spending too much money on AI. But ABLE has
funneled billions directly into Alphabet's AI infrastructure. And to make Alphabet the third
largest holding, you know, this isn't just betting on a trend. This is recognition that this is a company
with the scale, the data, and the cash to turning eye into a highly profitable engine for the future.
Which going back to the Hidden Gems AI score, that's exactly the sort of competitive advantage that
that score is meant to highlight. And it's interesting. I mean, you think about how this is playing out
in the past value was all about, you know, factories, land, grocery stores. That's still the case to a
certain extent. But today, one of the most valuable assets a company can own is a network of
data centers running intelligent software. And I think Abel is saying that maybe one of the
biggest competitive modes in the future is not just going to be built on brick and mortar. Maybe
it's going to be built out of code. So Matt gave our listeners dreamfinders to go take a look at.
We're not saying that's a personalized investing advice to buy, but something to look more at in
light of his views of the housing market. You've just highlighted the AI scores that we have.
Is there a stock that you believe our listener should look into more from here?
Yeah, one I would say to look into is forgent power solutions, ticker FPS.
This is also a recent Hidden Gems recommendation.
You know, this is not a household name.
This is a company that provides customized electrical equipment for data centers,
the power grid, very energy intensive industrial facilities.
And this is very much a company that stands to be a direct beneficiary of the power constraints,
the bottleneck, and the demand that we're seeing amidst the ever-changing.
I revolution. So fascinating company, again, not necessarily for investors who do not have a certain
tolerance for risk. Really fascinating business, though, one that I would say is worth looking into
further. I think that's my favorite thing about investing. Things change so quickly and things are
happening all around us all the time. And so just stay curious and keep diving in because there's a lot
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