Motley Fool Money - Chipotle's Future is...?

Episode Date: April 27, 2022

To understand Alphabet's latest results it helps to look past the headlines and hand-wringing. (0:20) Jason Moser discusses: - 1st-quarter revenue growing 23% - Alphabet's board approving a $70 billion share buyback plan - CFO Ruth Porat's continued strong performance with the company's capital allocation - The pricing power of Chipotle boosting its 1st-quarter results - How Chipotle's specific plans for opening new locations provides clues as to where the business goes from here (12:00) Jim Mueller and Bill Mann square off in a "bull vs. bear" debate over Netflix. Who made the better argument? Vote in our poll on Twitter @MotleyFoolMoney Stocks discussed: GOOG, GOOGL, CMG, NFLX Host: Chris Hill Guests: Jason Moser, Jim Mueller, Bill Mann Producer: Ricky Mulvey Engineers: Dan Boyd, Rick Engdahl Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Hey, thanks for having me. We're going to start today with one of the most consequential companies in the world, and that is Alphabet. And I get that first quarter profits in revenue were a little lower than expected. I don't get the hand-wringing that I'm seeing from some corners in the financial media and the analyst community. They had $68 billion in sales in the first quarter, which, I guess, technically, that is lower than the expected 68.1 billion. But it's 23 percent revenue growth compared to a year ago for a company of this size. Come on.

Yeah, I'm glad you put it that way. It's often maybe pay less attention to those sort of targets that analysts set and pay more attention just to how the business is doing, right? And when you look at how Alphabet's business is doing, it's hard to argue that it is not doing well. I mean, as you mentioned, revenue growth, and if you exclude currency effects, revenue growth is 26%. Operating margin steady at 30%. And I think, you know, the attention getter probably, and maybe some of the hand-wringing comes from the YouTube segment of the business, the YouTube advertising revenue. That came in at $6.8.7 billion, versus the expected $7.51 billion.

Now, again, I mean, that's what was expected. That's kind of an arbitrary target. But if you look at the performance of the business from a year ago, I mean, that $6.87 billion was up from $6 billion a year ago. So it did grow. Like, I mean, it just maybe didn't grow as quickly as others might have expected, but there were some reasons why. I mean, there's been some modest performance in direct response.

They continue to witness some headwinds there in the direct response. the side of the business there. And they have noted that there is some concern out there, some pulling back on advertising budgets. So we are seeing a little bit of a slowdown in ad spend, but also part of it was just a really tough comp from a year ago. And I mean, they made the point in the call that the largest impact from COVID on the business's results was in the second quarter of 2020. And so ultimately what that means is that they've set the table here for a relatively tame current quarter as well as it's going to be going up against another really tough comp. Now, with that said, I mean, we start to see things normalize a little bit more

going forward. This is still the same awesome business that we've always talked about here. I mean, when you look at the utility of the platform, the service, the value that you get from what they provide. I mean, search is just, it's crucial, right? But it's so much more than just I mean, when you have YouTube, you have maps, you've got a hardware division, you've got cloud. I mean, just so many pieces that go into making up this business. As a shareholder myself, I look at this corner and I say, you know what, hey, keep bringing those hands, I don't mind because you want to bring that share price down a little more, make a little bit more attractive for people to maybe add a couple of shares to their portfolio.

I think it's a reasonable time to be looking at this business because it's now trading at around 20 times full-year earnings, estimates. And that's on top of already setting some fairly tame expectations. So, I mean, this is a looking like a better opportunity every day. Roof Porat, the chief financial officer, talked a little bit about how, you know, in response to the YouTube, their subscription business is growing. So, you know, that's certainly something to keep an eye on. They're investing in cybersecurity, which you would expect them to do. They got a share buyback plan that was just approved. by the board of directors, $70 billion. That is some serious kick because just in terms of what

they have done previously with share buyback plans. But I think that, among other things, speaks to the confidence they have in the business. Yeah, I think you're right. I mean, when you look at the numbers that they lob up there, I mean, YouTube now with over 2 billion monthly signed in users, they noted Google Maps searches for shopping near me. Those searches. were up 100% globally from a year ago. I mean, you got just so many different facets of this business that continue to perform so strongly.

They're capitalizing on short form video. That was up 4x from a year ago. So, yeah, all things considered, I mean, this is a business that produces a lot of cash. It's pretty darn reliable. And that $70 billion repurchase authorization, it sounds like a really big number. I mean, it is. If you look back to 2017, since 2000. 2017, they've spent close to $130 billion total in share repurchases.

And oftentimes with these tech companies, a lot of those repurchases just go to offset dilution. And that has been the case somewhat here. But it is worth, though, to the share counts down 5 percent since 2017. So I suspect that that'll be one more thing that can kind of help contribute a little bit more to shareholder value there. Is it safe to assume that Ruth Porad? Porat, if she's not the architect of the share buyback plan, it's just, we've talked about her

in the past as among other things. She keeps a close eye on the other bets spending that they do. In some cases, has reined it in. And maybe if you're in the other bets division at Alphabet, you're like, hey, maybe we could get some of that $70 billion to try some new things. I don't know. I just, I have a hard time arguing against the job that she is doing. I would not argue against the job that she's doing. I take solace and knowing that she's a part of this team. She just is very thoughtful in how the company allocates capital. And I do appreciate the fact that while they have that other bet segment of the business, and that's a neat thing to think about, I mean, moonshots and all the different kinds of things that could come from that. I mean, the reality of the situation is it's really, you know, it's an incubator.

It loses a lot of money, but it can come up with some really cool ideas. I mean, Waymo being one of them, but it does feel like she does a really good job in balancing the needs of the business all the way around from, you know, what they need to be able to invest in their workforce and their core offerings to making sure that that other bets side of the business still gets what it needs and what it does. deserves, and then also keeping shareholders in mind as well, and making sure that these types of big share repurchase authorizations actually do go to help return some value to shareholders.

Chipotle's first quarter demonstrated, among other things, that this is a business with pricing power. Labor costs are going up, the cost of beef, avocados, paper products. They're all going up. But Chipotle is able to raise prices on the menu, and first quarter profits came in higher than expected. Same store sales up 9%. Yep. Yeah, another very impressive quarter, particularly in a difficult stretch. And I think it's really difficult to overstate the value that Brian Nicol has brought to this company during his tenure. I mean, he's just always, he's so on

message. I mean, he keeps Chipotle at the forefront of the conversation, but he's not putting them up on a pedestal, you know, like Ells used to do back in the day, because that's just setting yourself up to be knocked off at some point, which they've been knocked off that pedestal a couple of times. But you feel like it just, he doesn't take anything for granted, and he knows that he needs to work for it every day. And maybe that's just a part of where he came from, right? I mean, coming from Taco Bell, I'm sure that was a little bit of a different experience. But he just continues to execute.

And I mean, sales for the quarter, they were up 16 percent to reach $2 billion. Comp up 9 percent, as you noted. Restaurant level margin did fall, right? They saw a decrease in restaurant level margin, I think 160 basis points versus a year ago, as costs, input costs do continue to weigh on the business. I mean, they've noted inflation and workforce costs that continue to weigh on the business, but they are able to flex that pricing power muscle a little bit, right? They noted that they did raise prices over 4% at the end of the quarter, and ultimately

consumers are still wanting to pay it, which is a good thing. But yeah, just another really impressive quarter for a company that just managed its way through the last couple of years so effectively. Well, and when you think back, this quarter includes January. You think of Omicron variant being on the rise and sort of peaking in January and February. Some parts of the U.S. dealing with bad winter weather. You go back. I mean, Chabote warned that was going to affect results.

But the fact that they put up same store sales growth of 9 percent, despite all that, is impressive. And if you're wondering, if anyone is wondering where this business is going, they open 51 new locations in this past quarter, and most of them were built with those digital-only drive-through lanes. Oh, yeah. Yeah. And I mean, they expect to open between 235 and 250 new restaurants this year with at least 80 percent, including at Chapult Lane. To your point there, in regard to January and February, I mean, they didn't. In-store sales grew by 33 percent from a year ago. So the consumer still was really kind of happy to get back out there.

That was a little bit more tilted, maybe towards the end of the quarter, but nevertheless, I mean, digital represented 42 percent of sales. So they've struck a nice balance there with the business, and they continue to experiment with the menu, right? They noted that the polio asado, which has gotten a great response. I will say, as a consumer, I've tried it. It's really tasty. I mean, if you're not tried it, I recommend it. They said it's their first chicken innovation in 29 years. And I had to kind of think back on that. Is that actually true? And I guess it is because other than just your plain Jane chicken burrito, I guess they haven't really done much on the chicken side of thing.

So it's just neat that they can get out there and try new things at will. They're working on another menu item that they're really excited about now, closing in on 28 million rewards members now. I'm one of them, Chris, and I'm going to go redeem some of those points tonight to meet the family. But yeah, I mean, they're targeting 7,000 restaurants in North America still, and that sounds like a lot when you compare it to the 3,000 or so that they have today. Now, whether they can get to 7,000, that's still a question mark. I tend to look at that, maybe discount it back a little bit to be a little bit more practical. That's still a long runway of growth, particularly when you add those Chipotle lanes into the mix.

And I think that for this business, really the big question, I mean, it's now it's 45 times full year earnings estimates, which is not bad considering how many restaurants they think they can still open. I think the wildcard really right now for this business is just the inflationary environment and how much more they can potentially raise prices because you can't do that forever. There is a point where consumers will say, no, I'm going to go somewhere else. Jason Moser, great talking to you. Thanks for being here. Thank you. In the past 12 months, shares of Chipotle are flat, which is basically what the overall market has returned as well. Shares of Netflix, on the other hand, are trading 60% lower than a year ago. So is this a buying opportunity or is Netflix past its prime?

To kick off today's debate, here's Ricky Mulvey. This is Bull versus Bear. We take a company, we find some analysts, and we flip a coin to decide which side they take. Today, the company is Netflix. And in the Bull Corner, we have Jim Mueller. Jim, good to see ya. Hello, Rick. And in the bear case, you know, it's usually in bad taste to knee the head of a downed opponent. But Bill Mann will be giving the bear case for Netflix right now. You excited? The king of bad taste. He's going to enjoy this one, I can tell. So we'll have about four minutes for each side. And then you get to decide who the winner is by voting in our poll at Motley Fool Money on Twitter. Jim, whenever you're ready with the bull case, you can get started.

All right. So we all know Netflix, right? The leader and the first, first advantage mover of online over-the-top streaming, video content on demand, entire seasons all at once and all that stuff. And for a very long time, that's been working just perfectly. In the before times, the thesis was simple. High growth of subscribers, 20%, 30% a year, eight plus years since they really went all in on streaming. That means more revenue every year, which means the ability to spend more on the content, which means if the content is good, they get more subscribers. And for a very long time, that flywheel worked very, very well. And along the way, management met and dealt with problem after problem, especially

the Quickster one back in 2011, where they basically doubled the revenue of the company by splitting the DVD service and the streaming service and started charging for both. They overcame the hassles that came with that. And actually, that was the last time until just this past quarter that the company had seen sequential decline in subscriber growth. Now, since we've been coming out of the pandemic, we've had five quarters in a row of less than 20% subscriber growth year over year. And for the last four quarters, ending in the most recently reported, Q1, 2022, less than 10%.

And this last quarter, technically they had a sequential decline. They lost 200,000 subscribers. But we knew that there was going to be a Russia effect. Russia contributed 700,000 subscriber loss to that. But still, that was still a bad miss against the management expectations. of 1.8 million subscriber growth backing out Russia. So, and management is forecasting another decline for this current quarter Q2. And so that has a lot of the bull side scratching their head and saying, is that old thesis still gone?

Or do we have to figure out what the company is going to be doing next? And I think it's the latter nowadays. I mean, I still have confidence in management. They have a long history of meeting and overcoming problems. But this is going to be a big problem that's going to take some time to figure out. They have a couple of different paths ahead. They could just pull back a touch on the content spending and become a cash flow generating machine, kicking out billions and millions of dollars in free cash flow, hold subcount steady

or grow slowly. We saw how that looks back in 2020 when they had to cut back production in the middle of the lockdowns. They generated $2 billion of free cash flow that year. And they could use that to buy back shares, grow earnings per share. and grow their share price that way. Or they could look around for other sources of revenue growth. They mentioned in the last quarter password sharing, they're going to crack down on that,

but that's just a one-time boost. They've been investigating games and could possibly turn that into a revenue stream. Advertising, they're going to look into that, offer an ad-based tier subscription, generate revenue from that. And of course, there's always licensing and merchandising, basically doing the Disney Plus. play. And management has indicated they're going that route. It won't be a fast fix, so we don't expect multiples and 50% growth in one year that they've had in the past. But I'm trustful of management that they will be able to figure out what they'll do. They've earned my trust in the past.

They've been very upfront with shareholders, very honest, haven't shied away from recognizing problems and telling people how they're going to try to fix them. And they've shown to be good at pivoting, so I think they can do it again going forward. Bill, man, you lost the coin toss. You elected to go second with the bear case. What do you got? I'm interested how I ended up getting to choose which side I wanted to go after I lost the coin talks.

But I guess I lost the coin talks because I am the bear for Netflix. And you're right. This is a very, very important company for, you know, in the Motley Fool's history, even this is a company. even. This is a company that we have written, we've recommended many times, and it has been a fabulous company for us and for our shareholders. But you have to ask where we're going to from today. And Netflix has gone from an open skies market to a Lord of the Flies market, where they are now in a competition with well-heeled, incredible,

deeply pocketed competitors who are putting out great content from their own libraries. There's a statistic from this last quarter that I think really nails down exactly where Netflix is and where the challenge is for them. They spent $556 million in marketing. 556 million. That's half a billion in marketing, and their subscriber base shrank, which means that if they paid people 100 bucks to sign up, that would be 5.6 million new subscribers. Their churn was incredible. Had to have been this last quarter. It currently is still also the most expensive of the streaming services. And so I think you have to ask yourself, with Netflix's position where they are now in a highly competitive market, is it any longer the default choice for subscribers?

What we've heard over years was that subscribers would have Netflix plus one or two other subscription services. I think that what we're seeing now, and I think that the numbers from the company's marketing costs really bear this out, is that it's not even that they are losing to what are called streaming tourists, the people who sign up when they want to watch something and then cancel when they're finished, they're losing to their competitors. It is no longer Netflix plus a few. It's a few and maybe Netflix. Their cash burn is growing. They are pushing very, very hard to retain subscribers, at least in part because of the cash burn, at least in part also because of the incredible amount of money that they are spending for new content.

So, Netflix, it would not surprise me. I think very highly of their management team. They have been trailblazers in the past. They have done things that people didn't believe that we're going to work, but they have not done them in an environment where they're going up against Disney. They're going up against discovery. They're going up. against Amazon. They're going up against CBS and Apple. I think it's too much to, you know, in terms of competition for Netflix to be assumed to be the default anymore. And so then you have to question why it is that subscribers in their millions would continue to pay a premium. Thank you, gentlemen. You can decide who made the better argument at Motley Full Money on Twitter.

We'll have a poll up there and you can check the results. Thank you. Like Ricky said, we've got a poll on Twitter at Motley Fool Money. You can cast your vote for who made the stronger argument on Netflix. As always, people on the program may have interest in the stocks they talk about, and the Motley Fool may have formal recommendations for or against, so don't buy ourselves stocks based solely on what you hear. I'm Chris Hill.

Thanks for listening. We'll see you tomorrow.