Motley Fool Money - Intel Hits a 52-Week High: Time to Buy?
Episode Date: January 12, 2026On Friday, Intel (NASDAQ: INTC) hit a fresh 52-week high. Are higher highs in the forecast? We look at the U.S. government's backing of the business and what it might mean for future returns. Asit ...Sharma, Rick Munarriz, and Tim Beyers discuss: - CEO Lip-Bu Tan's meeting with President Trump. - Plans for advanced (or even AI) chipmaking on U.S. soil. - The challenges of growing the foundry business versus the promises cooked into the current share price. Don’t wait! Be sure to get to your local bookstore and pick up a copy of David’s Gardner’s new book — Rule Breaker Investing: How to Pick the Best Stocks of the Future and Build Lasting Wealth. It’s on shelves now; get it before it’s gone! Tickers: Companies discussed: INTC, AMD, NVDA, TSM, ASML Host: Tim Beyers Guests: Asit Sharma, Rick Munarriz Producer: Anand Chokkavelu Engineer: Dan Boyd Disclosure: Advertisements are sponsored content and provided for informational purposes only. The Motley Fool and its affiliates (collectively, “TMF”) do not endorse, recommend, or verify the accuracy or completeness of the statements made within advertisements. TMF is not involved in the offer, sale, or solicitation of any securities advertised herein and makes no representations regarding the suitability, or risks associated with any investment opportunity presented. Investors should conduct their own due diligence and consult with legal, tax, and financial advisors before making any investment decisions. TMF assumes no responsibility for any losses or damages arising from this advertisement. We’re committed to transparency: All personal opinions in advertisements from Fools are their own. The product advertised in this episode was loaned to TMF and was returned after a test period or the product advertised in this episode was purchased by TMF. Advertiser has paid for the sponsorship of this episode. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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Intel sets new highs.
It's the climb just beginning?
You're listening, the Motley Fool Money.
Welcome, Fools.
I'm your host, Tim Byers, and with me, our two old friends, Rick Binares and Asset Sharma.
I hope you're both fully caffeinated because we've got a pretty caffeinated stock to talk about today.
And that is Intel, ticker I NTC.
As of the time I wrote these notes on Friday, the stock had hit a fresh 52-week high,
a $45 and $67 a share.
is this the beginning of an extended rally that will last years, or is this time to cash in on a burst of
enthusiasm and move capital into more proven chip stocks? I think these are really interesting
question, and we're going to tackle both of them. And then we are then going to get a bit
philosophical because we're going to have another episode of Mindset Monday, which is perfect for
Osset and Rick. But first, we have to talk about Intel. So, Rick, I'm going to start
with you here. Donald Trump, the President of the United States, had a meeting with Intel CEO
Lee Bhutan, and he was very excited about this meeting. He said, I just had a great meeting. He put
this out on his social media platform. I just had a meeting with the very successful Intel CEO,
Lee Bhutan. Intel just launched his first sub-2 nanometer CPU processor design built and package
right here in the USA. So I think we can.
can say with some confidence here, Rick, that the president isn't making any serious technical
statements. But what we do know is that he does seem to be excited about putting federal funds
and federal backing behind Intel. And in particular, there is one Defense Department initiative
underway that will allow Intel to get a serious amount of money, billions of dollars, for
manufacturing for the federal government. So do you think this enthusiasm for Intel is warranted?
How are you feeling about Intel knowing that it's hit a 52-week high?
Sometimes you see a stock start to move up before the fundamentals get there. And with Intel,
you see that. 2025 will be the fourth consecutive year of declining revenue. Intel is still
not profitable on a reported basis. It's not generating positive free cash flow, something that
analysts don't see changing until 2027. But what you mentioned, what happened in August when the
U.S. said, all right, we're going to put $8.9 billion for a 9.9% stake in August that's basically
now worth more than $20 billion. So you, me and Asset, we chose about $60, if my math is correct,
$60 worth of Intel just as being a U.S. citizen. You have this case where there is that enthusiasm,
that obviously that's where the White House is coming from. But it is the kind of thing where now it
has to prove it to me. Show me that you can do this. And I think,
that's the whole thing. Intel is doing a lot of right things. It had a great CES last week,
a lot of buzz, but the results aren't there yet. And that's, I think, what we need to wait for
to see if the run-up that the stock has had, a monstrous run-up over the past year is warranted.
I mean, Asset, let's talk about at least part of the technical stuff that President Trump is
talking about here. Intel in the United States is planning to bring online plants that will provide
chip making in two distinct but very advanced processes, one called 18A, one called 14A.
And the president did point out correctly that these are sub 2 nanometer.
18A is 1.8 nanometer, 14A is 1.4 nanometer.
This is really small.
And the smaller the chip, the more power efficient it can be, sometimes you can put more
more of these chips together on a wafer so you can create a more powerful.
chip. The implication here is that these processes are going to be highly useful for things like,
wait for it, AI, A.A. A. A.S. It. So how big deal is this, do you think, making essentially
highly advanced chips here on U.S. shores? And how significant, how much credit should we give
Intel for this, knowing that, you know, it's not done yet, but they are working on it? Well, let's give
Intel, the credit up front for working on it. The U.S. C did its most advanced chip making capabilities
to Taiwan years ago. Intel itself was the manufacturer at scale of our best technology when it came
to chips and really just got off track in so many different ways. So this represents a comeback for
Intel. If you ever hear that Intel is a comeback story, this is part and parcel of that.
And so where we get into these distinctions between 18A and 14A, it's really, to put it simply,
you can imagine the same process but getting more refined in stage two.
So 18A is distinguished by really two things.
So these nanosheet transistors and then moving the power from sort of the front of the
wafer to the back of the wafer.
Okay, so nothing in 18A should be taken as that number represents some kind of smaller
aperture or whatnot. As you said, it's really already a two-nanameter and below process,
very, very intricate designs on a chip. When you move from 18A to 14A, what's going to happen
is these machines that ASML makes, its most valuable machines, these are lithography machines
that companies like Intel buy to write onto silicon substrates. They're going to use their
latest and greatest machines, which are high NA-EUV machines. And this is sort of interesting
because ASML has been waiting for its customers to adopt their latest technology. Funnily enough,
it could be Intel that's at the forefront of that. But to get to 14A, and the reason why I'm
going to this level of detail, it takes a lot. So it's going to have to prove out this first process.
And of course, they now have a processor that's recently been released that runs on
18A. It's going to take a while, Tim, to get to 14A for that process to be widely adopted
by major players. And this is why Rick says, look, the stock prices is ahead of where the tech
is just now. I'll point out, Nvidia, great story here. They invested in Intel also, right,
$5 billion. And they've been testing out 18A. They backed off, we heard in December,
from going any further in their test. Now, we shouldn't confuse this with
and Nvidia getting really down on Intel's process.
In the first place is using this for its CPUs,
and to get to where it needs to for 18A to be part of its GPU process flow,
that development flow, it's going to take a lot.
Intel's going to have to prove a lot,
but they've got the money from Nvidia.
Invidia is a great partner for all the other stuff.
So there's a lot for this story to work out in the future.
I myself, full disclosure here, more than $60,
I purchased some Intel early last year and have enjoyed the gains,
but I realize as a rational shareholder,
it's still got to come up with a major Foundry partner.
So more big players need to step forward and say,
we're going to use this technology before we can feel that Intel's out of the woods.
Yeah, I mean, it doesn't, we don't have a lot of Intel announcements about customers
that are using the Intel Foundry for manufacturing at scale their most advanced chips.
We know that Amazon Web Services is doing this. We know that Invidia, at least is trialing some
things. What Intel has said is that they expect those most advanced chips, those 14A designs
who were talking about, Asset will start to, there will start to be decisions about
manufacturing at that level. The first half of 2027, say that three times fast. But essentially,
maybe call it spring or late spring of 2027. So we're not there yet, but it's early enough.
Having said that, I mean, Rick, I'll start with you here. Intel Foundry for really the past few
years has been a net zero in terms of contributor to Intel. So now that there's a chance that it's
not going to be a net zero, are you buy, sell, or hold the Intel?
on the promise that Intel Foundry with doing business primarily here in the United States
is going to be a material contributor to Intel, buy, sell, or hold based on the hope for
Intel Foundry here, Rick.
Yeah, so I'm excited that the Intel inside company that's sort of been the Intel outside
looking in for so many years is back to having a nice primary seat, potentially a leader of
this new revolution.
And the 18A is not only just what we talk about gaming, but also AI, but also gaming and more power efficiency.
These things that are matter.
And so they're making a splash in here.
It'll take a while to catch up with the NVIDs and the AMDs of the world in many ways.
But I'm excited about all that.
But again, I'm happy with my $60 that I have, my share indirectly through being, I'm not so excited to jump on the stock now because it has run up so much.
And even looking at the next year, it's not like investors are expecting it will be a return to growth.
a return to profitability, but it's just a very small step, not moving the needle yet. This is a
long-term play, and I think as an investor, it's exciting. Intel is definitely a better company now
than it was a year ago. Definitely, the 10 months that Lip Butan has been CEO, has been an
amazing run for any incoming CEO and outsider CEO at that. But I do think I want to wait,
and I think I can afford to wait because I think the stock will be volatile in the next year or two,
and I think I'll be able to pick a better entry point, and hopefully at a point where
some of these products and all this demand and the fact that they're saying, you know,
demands exceeding supply, something that we haven't seen in Intel in a long time,
these things that are being said and happening are exciting,
I want to see it, you know, bear out to actual, you know, reality.
Yeah. So, Asit, Rick is pretty happy with his holdings as a U.S. citizen.
You are a shareholder.
So are you buy, sell, or hold those Intel shares?
Like, you maybe want to buy a little bit more on the promise of Intel Foundry?
Yeah, Tim, I am a dollar-cost average in buy on Intel. And I think Rick put it so wonderfully,
that doesn't have to be dollar-cost averaging it every month this year. You could just sort of wait.
This business is going to be volatile, and the stock is going to be volatile to follow.
But I have to say, let's give a lot of credit to Leaputon. I mean, this is a guy we knew about,
Tim, right? He was the CEO of a sort of esoteric company in the semiconductor industry on the design side,
cadence design systems. He has a master's degree in nuclear engineering from MIT. And he was on
the board of Intel and just was uncomfortable with all the middle management and inefficient use of
resources when he was a board member. I think he's still on the board, but looking not as, you know,
the operator of the business. And not only has he really sets the future into motion,
He's also proven to be good on the rubbing elbow side, the handshake side.
I mean, he's been able to roll with the punches with the Trump administration.
They got off to a very rocky start.
He's sealed an investment from we the taxpayers and from Nvidia.
So I think he's showing that he brings a lot of tools to a very difficult turnaround.
I will say that Nvidia has many chances to fail.
the competition doesn't slow down. So when we hear about them being able to get 14A moving,
let's say in 2027, that's so many months more they're losing to competition, competitors like
AMD and those who are actual fabs like Taiwan Semiconductor. But on the other hand,
if this does play out, if this story plays out the way it could, you have here on American
soil a really specialized chip manufacturer that will see.
a ton of demand in the future because AI ain't going anywhere, Tim. We know that, right? So if they
can produce the chips here, that's a great revenue stream for Intel in the coming years, a chance
for it to be great again. So I caution anyone about getting too excited on this story in the very
near term. I share Rick's caution on that. But I would say if you have a little bit of risk
tolerance and you study this business averaging in, especially in those volatile periods where the
stock gets, you know, taken to the woodshed, that's not a bad strategy.
All right.
So like it, hold it, maybe a cautious buyer here.
And Li Bhutan got smarts real good is what we're what we're hearing here.
Up next, let's do some mindset Monday.
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This time we're going to look at breaks, specifically the benefit of a break from the market and
from investing. Have you taken one recently? And if you haven't, why not? Breaks are on my mind,
guys, because I just took one, a holiday break where I did a lot of things other than work or
think about the market. I did buy and sell some stock, though, but that was in the context of
plans made a while back. I think being able to disconnect from the market and daily business news
proved pretty restorative for me. I have to say, so let's talk about this. How you do it,
Asset and Rick, I'd be very curious and what's it like when you take a break from the market?
Rick, I'll start with you here.
Do you ever do this?
Are you conscious about taking a break from the market and from investing?
I am not.
To me, it's the kind of thing where it's the market isn't just work.
It's also fun and it's also life.
So it's a lot of factors that it's not something if you were working like a 9-to-5 job that
you don't like and you're like, well, great, I get to take a vacation, so take a break that way.
But there are times, of course, where I'm traveling with the family, and traveling far,
like we were in Europe, like two years ago, for about a week or two, there was no point for me
to check in because I was at different market hours and everything was completely different,
and it felt great. So I love that, but I also was happy to get back into it.
But, yes, I do think it's important to take this break every once in a while, especially
if you are kind of like watching the stock market, every passing tick.
on your stocks. That is not healthy for anyone as we're all long-term investors. So in that regard,
but again, I can't, I mean, I do cheat, even when I tell myself, you know, I still have a little
side eye, you know, look, see, you know, let me see, CNBC playing at this, at this hotel bar. It's
probably not going to be on. But it is a kind of thing where, yeah, I can't really get away from
it. But when I do, I'm thankful that I do it. I think I become a better, a better investor by
taking a break, just like you would with anything. Just gives, you know, if you can't
crack a Rubik's Cube or any kind of puzzle or the New York Times crossword, take a break and look
at it with fresh eyes a little while later, and you're going to have a different approach that
will probably make you a better investor and a better person. I'm going to have some things to
say about that, but, Asid, I want to hear from you first here. When's the last time you took a market
break? Yesterday. Now, yes, we're taping on a Monday. There was no market there in front of me
on Sunday, but I did take a complete mental break, as I tend to do. I have a few passions.
outside of investing, Tim.
I love to read.
I like to write some fiction.
I love to learn languages.
But I'm not going to lie either.
I mean, the three of us have chosen this as our profession.
So we're pretty wired in all the time.
And I think if I don't take that conscious break to chase my passions,
it could easily be something that I don't turn off.
And so I wanted to just go over three quick ways that I take a break.
One is to take a walk out in nature.
I try to do that every day.
The second is what Rick mentioned, which is travel.
Anytime you pull yourself out of your normal rhythms, your daily rhythms, and go somewhere else,
it's a great way for your brain to disengage because your brain is disoriented.
It's disoriented spatially.
It's got a lot of new stimuli coming in.
So that makes it easier to disconnect.
And then the third is to get absorbed in something.
I mean, for me, that's reading.
Your brain is trying to problem solve when you think about the markets and whether
your professionals like the three of us or someone who is more nine to five and does investing
in his or her spare time, when your mind is there, it's really trying to figure out, okay,
how do I achieve what I want to achieve? Why am I not having the success that I want?
Or, wow, this is great. I'm really exceeding my expectations, but it always sees investing
as this problem, something to optimize. And the way that you actually can really help yourself
solve that problem is to immerse yourself in other problems. So that could be,
the Rubik's Cube, Rick, sites. It could just be letting yourself go into the flow of something
else. Music, art, literature, seeing friends, going out for a beer. All of those things are really
great in helping you disconnect from this thing that's tugging at you. And I think it leads to better
results, or at least it has in my case. Nice. I like it. Well, a quick final thought on this.
The greatest benefit, I think. I'm taking a break from the market is perspective. Removing yourself
from the daily grind of news, stock movements, and more can help you to reframe your portfolio
as a loose collection of businesses with plans and purposes you may or may not believe in and
like following. And that is something that's very valuable. It'll allow you to actually build a
portfolio. Understanding what you like and where you still have questions is also a great way to
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