Motley Fool Money - Meme Stocks Mania Returns & the Fantasy Stock Draft
Episode Date: July 25, 2025Meme stocks had a huge week, earnings season got into full swing with Alphabet going big on AI, and we draft our top stocks in the S&P 500 today. Travis Hoium, Lou Whiteman, and Emily Flippen discu...ss: - Meme stock mania returns - Alphabet’s $85 billion AI bet - Fantasy stock draft - 60-second earnings takes - Radar stocks Companies discussed: Alphabet (GOOG, GOOGL), GXO, UPS, Accenture (ACN), Truist (TFC), Tyler Technologies (TYL), Lululemon (LULU), Chipotle (CMG), Apple (AAPL), Alphabet (GOOG), GM (GM), MGM Resorts (MGM), Garmin (GRMN), Chagee Holdings (CHA), Intel (INTC). Host: Travis Hoium Guests: Lou Whiteman, Emily Flippen Engineer: Dan Boyd Disclosure: Advertisements are sponsored content and provided for informational purposes only. The Motley Fool and its affiliates (collectively, “TMF”) do not endorse, recommend, or verify the accuracy or completeness of the statements made within advertisements. TMF is not involved in the offer, sale, or solicitation of any securities advertised herein and makes no representations regarding the suitability, or risks associated with any investment opportunity presented. Investors should conduct their own due diligence and consult with legal, tax, and financial advisors before making any investment decisions. TMF assumes no responsibility for any losses or damages arising from this advertisement. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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The memes of the market were back in control this week.
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I'm Travis Hoyam, joined by longtime fools, Lou the legend Whiteman,
and she only has to survive the next hour with us.
Emily Flippin.
Today, we're going to talk about the latest in AI, the opening of hedge funds to more investors.
And we're going to draft our favorite stocks on the market.
But we're going to start with a meme stock.
Mania. In early 2021, game stock became kind of the first meme stock that really went viral.
The idea of an individual stock going crazy isn't new, but this is really retail acting differently
to squeeze the market, if you will, in a bunch of different ways. And it looks like we're back
this week. We saw Open Door, GoPro, Krispy Cream, and even Coles jump. In some cases, over 100%.
Emily, is this another meme stop craze?
undoubtedly another meme stock craze. I mean, when you think about these frenzy, they're really just bouts of coordinated crowd behavior. And these traders will pile into names with really heavy short interests, not because they love the business, although of course I do love a crispy cream donut, but really just to punish the hedge funds that are betting against it. And the targets, especially you can look in this case, usually deserve those shorts, right? Like open door, GoPro, Coles. They've all had really clear operating issues and just faced really big headwinds. But prices can still skyrocket once that craze begins. And those short, you know,
short start to get squeezed. But interestingly, as much as we like to blame Reddit and Robin Hood hype
for why retail investors do this, which really going on and what's really driving this is actually
the way the market just fundamentally works in these day and age. Like multi-manager hedge funds,
they're called pod shops. They largely force each sector manager who operates within that hedge fund
to be long one name and short another so that their overall book stays market neutral.
And that would be the hedge in hedge funds, right? Exactly, exactly. So you have to
to manage a certain level of volatility for these types of businesses. And the issue comes in when you
look at how much pod shops are driving the market. I mean, they're responsible for upwards of a
third of all U.S. equity volume. So you can understand how retail traders look at this dynamic and
they think, that's kind of BS. I want to do something about that, right? And this exaggeration can
occur around earning season especially when you start to have all of these volumes flooding in,
selling the bad companies, buying the good companies. And with that quarter of volume of
U.S. equity markets that are driven by retail traders, it's really easy to, like, see this dislodging
of fundamental value as a result.
It's weird, isn't it?
And I have to be honest, it isn't anything I want to be a part of.
You know, my favorite part of investing is you don't have to play in every game.
You don't have to buy every stock.
And I can, you know, I can't predict human behavior.
Fortunately, I don't have to.
So as a long-term investor, I kind of just am watching this and all.
I mean, my tendency is to look for places that others are ignoring.
I think you can find good value with stocks that really aren't bad. They're just not getting attention.
And so in a way, I love this because in a middle of a frenzy like this, when all of the attention is going on just a couple of stocks,
I'm looking at areas like transports, like financials that have been beaten down and I see signs of life and just kind of, I say, hey, no one's paying attention.
But two things you got to remember if you are caught up in meme stocks. First, it works until it doesn't, right?
And there's no signposts at the top, as they say. The sad final chapter of the 2020 meme
crazes, the gains didn't hold and a lot of people that felt rich for a bit ended up kind of back
where they started. The problem of timing the market is you have to get it right twice, and that is
really hard. Second, related, your friend or coworker, whoever is only telling you about their
wins. In moments like this, it's easy for FOMO to set in. It feels like everyone's getting rich but you.
But look, there are two sides of every trade. You're only hearing half of the story at most.
So just be careful as that FOMO comes in.
I actually love that, Lou, because when you look at this for long-term buy and hold investors,
which I hope everybody who is listening to us right now associates himself with a long-term
buy-and-hold investing, which, as we know, benefits over the long-term better than trying to day trade
or staying uninvested in the first place, what your point about, the fact that you only hear
about the good things, not the bad things, is incredible.
incredibly poignant because to be a long-term investor, you don't have to buy every single company.
Of course, you can buy an index fund, and that's to some effect doing the same thing, but you don't
have to get every single opportunity right. You just have to have a systematic and reasonable approach
to managing your investments. And this is exactly the opposite of that. So it's important not to get
caught up with it, because as we know, this is the best, easiest way to lose your shirt.
Emily, I want to ask you about how you would maybe take advantage of this. And then we can get
lose take. But one of the things that we always talk about long-term.
investing. And if you are a long-term investor and you found an opportunity in, I mean, Game
Stock originally was a value stock. That was a company that there are fools who, you know,
build positions in that when it was trading for single-digit earnings. And that was kind of where
the whole thing started. But if a stock that you own, that you have a long-term thesis on,
goes through one of these meme crazes, is that an opportunity to sell? Or how do you think of it
if it's sort of a tailwind for you, you're not necessarily a buyer at the top, but do you want to
kind of get out or how do you think about that? That's a great question because the benefit, as we
talked about, to something like this meme stock craze or even the hedge fund involvement with
longing and shorting certain companies can lead to dislodge of long-term value, right?
Where the perception of value for a company is different than the price of the market. And as
investors, that's always what we're looking for. So there can be instances where somebody is a
shareholder of a business that otherwise undergoes a meme craze. And they didn't buy.
with the intention of this dog going up 100% overnight, but they wake up in the morning and they
find themselves in that position, which is why it's so important to have a fundamental thesis for
why you're buying a company at the first place. And the case of a business like GameStop,
of which many fools did own positions prior to it going crazy just a few years ago,
you have to ask yourself, okay, when I bought this investment, what was my perception of value,
what was my thesis? And how is today's value different than what I perceive their value to be
during the thesis? And sometimes that may be, hey, sure, maybe it's gone up 50%.
but I think this is a stock that is worth 200% more today, right?
And it doesn't matter to me what the retail investors are doing.
I have my thesis.
But I think in the most cases with businesses that I've been struggling,
like these meme stocks have been,
chances are when they go up 100 plus percent,
that is a great opportunity to sell because that has that relative value
that you saw when initially purchasing,
that dislodge no longer exists.
Amen.
Don't get too greedy.
If I bought something at 10, believing it could go to 20,
and suddenly it's at 50, I think I should say thank you very much.
Probably a good way to look at it, at least take a little bit off the table.
Retail investors, in other words, you and me are driving the meme stock rally.
And that may show how some investors are using the market as a casino rather than a long-term investing mechanism.
So why not up the stakes this week the House passed a bill that would expand the definition of accredited investors?
Emily, I always get confused about these rules.
So what exactly is an accredited investor?
Well, for some people, being an accredited investor can just mean that they have a certain career in financial management, right?
They work for a hedge fund or they pass a series of tests to manage assets and work in that professionally.
But for the vast majority of investors, people listening to us talk right now, to be an accredited investor,
you need to have more than $200,000 in earned income as a single person,
more than $300,000 in earned income as a married person, or have a net worth north of $1 million.
excluding your primary residence.
So until now, that criteria was really only financial,
and this bill would add, quote,
certain licenses, education, or job experience
to the criteria to qualify as an accredited investor.
There's a long history of these rules changing,
and sometimes they're for the better,
sometimes for the worse.
Lou, what's good here and what's bad?
So in theory, choice is good, right?
More options is better than fewer options.
So the good news is more people,
will have more options available to them. But let's be honest, this is an industry with a long
history of inventing products designed to get the industry rich, not the customer rich. And while
I do believe it is very possible for an individual to outperform the market, it is also worth
noting that the no-choice option, people who spend their entire working career buying a total
market fund and nothing else should be just fine. So there's a lot of noise. There's a lot of,
there's a lot of selling here. So kind of the bad news, my maybe over cynical take is I do worry
that some of what will be sold to these newly minted accredited credit investors will be not worth
buying. I definitely not trying to play Chicken Little and say it'll all be bad. I mean, there will
probably be opportunities, but the downside of having more choices is inevitably some of those
choices are the wrong ones or the bad ones. Yeah, that's a great point, Lou. And I have to say,
I do think the devil is going to be in the details here. Of course, the bill that the House approved
this week just doesn't really give us a lot of details. They give suggestions for what this could look
like, but what it actually means to be taking a test and being able to be accredited regardless
of net worth, that is ultimately going to probably drive how much of this is protecting individual
investors versus just throwing them to the wool, so to speak. But I do think that conceptually,
this is heading in the right direction. I like to broaden and expand my viewpoint here and think about
how it felt when the internet started to come around and people were able to make trades on the
internet as opposed to having to call it their broker. And I could have made a very similar
argument in that day and age that it was bad for investors and individual investors in particular.
And certainly we did see a huge rise in penny stocks, right? Everybody was suddenly trying to get
individual investors to buy into these really defunct companies and a lot of people lost their
shirts. But here we are decades later. And I think we can all say that the market is more
efficient, we're all better off as a result of the ability to place free, easy access trades
over the Internet. And I wonder if this has to be the same thing. We're seeing companies come to
public markets much later in their life cycle that we have in the past. That's diluting overall
equity returns. A lot of great investment opportunities do exist on private markets for which a lot
of people do not have access to today. And as important as I think it is to have strong regulations
that protect people from effectively being robbed, right? They're being scammed by private investments that
don't have great regulatory oversight. I also think it's really important that we open up access
to the average person. Otherwise, they could potentially be left behind. Yeah, it's interesting in the
historical context. You went through some of that, Emily. I'm reading the power law right now,
which goes through some of the history of Silicon Valley. It's just fascinating how the VC infrastructure
that has helped build companies like Google, Amazon, Microsoft, Nvidia, Tesla, it just didn't exist
50 or 60 years ago, and the funds that are driving that wouldn't have been possible or legal.
And, you know, as the rules are currently written, it would be extremely difficult to start a
small fund without, you know, hundreds of thousands of dollars in capital just to pay for regulatory
fees. So sometimes there is a purpose, and sometimes this is, you know, regulations are saving
themselves from us. But Lou, what's the big takeaway here? The big takeaway is, you know, be excited,
but be careful. Like I say, there is going to be good opportunities. And Emily's right. There are a lot of
things I'd love to invest in. But there are also always read the fine print, always think of expenses,
always figure out if you're being sold because there's just a lot out there and not all of it is going to be
a good choice, even if it is a choice you have. Next up, we're going to discuss the ups and downs of
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driven the market over the past three years. Invidia is now the most valuable company in the
world. But Alphabet was the talk of the market this week with its AI progress. They doubled
tokens processed over just the last two months. Gemini now has 450 million monthly active users.
Then they up their CapEx by $10 billion to $85 billion this year. Lou, Microsoft planned $80 billion in
CAPX and they'll report next week. So we'll find out if they're going to also up the Annie. But
did Alphabet just throw down the gauntlet with going all in on?
winning this AI race? Yeah, it's funny. It'll be interesting to evaluate the alphabet number
in a week or two when we see what their rivals did. But I don't know if this is all in,
considering they have all the money in the world. Here's what I think with Alphabet. Ever since
Ruth Porre had stepped in CFO back in 2015, the company, in my eyes, has been extremely
disciplined about allocating cash. They're not conservative. They still do a lot of other bets,
but they're very smart about it. Porre isn't CFO. And he's,
more, but she's still in leadership. I trust the company more than most of the MAG7 that,
when it comes to capital allocation, if they say they're investing based on what they see
is concrete returns they can get from it, I think I believe them. Yeah, I mean, I'm a little
more skeptical here. I will say, I think there could be a misperception that money equals success
when it comes to artificial intelligence. And if that were the case, then I should be a
Somalié with how much money I spend on wine. But the truth is, I can't tell a difference between
most of what I drink. And so in this case, I really do think that the winners of AI are going to be
the people and the companies that can derive the most value from it, not the ones who can throw
the most money or value at it. And right now, large tech companies keep talking about their
CAPEX as if they're getting this great return on investment from it. And we simply have not seen
that ROI come to fruition yet. Now, big emphasis on yet, because their backs in a lot of cases are
against the wall. What are they supposed to do? Just pretend like this big, you know, C change isn't
happening to them? No, of course not. But I would,
will say when I see big numbers like this, I have to wonder, where is the value accruing to?
Is it going to mainly accrue to the companies that are spending tens of billions of dollars
on CAPEX and AI? Or is it going to be the companies that actually partner with the companies
spending $10 billion in AI who actually get to use the end results in this product? So I do think
there's a dislodge of value between these large companies and the smaller, small caps that
are likely to partner with them, put up less capital and still get a lot of value.
One person that may disagree that money is all it takes is Mark Zuckerberg. He has been firing
eight, nine-figure job offers out of a T-shirt candidate AI engineers. Like Alphabet, META has
more cash than it knows what to do with. So is this a sign that they're worried about something?
Is this Mark Zuckerberg saying, you know what? The balance sheet and the cash is all that matters.
I'm interested in your take, Emily, but I want to start with Lou. Because Zuckerberg seems to
be taking a strategy of, we've got to be in this game, and he might be right.
Zuckerberg, I think, is being Zuckerberg, right? His nature is to be overly aggressive.
It's worked at times, like buying Instagram instead of competing with it. It is not worked as well
in other times when they went all in on the Metaverse. Obviously, this time, unlike the
Metaverse, they're not rushing in alone. So I think the market is giving them more of a pass here.
It is, as you say, I think it's a cost of business and not a Hail Mary pass.
But to Emily's point, and the interesting thing to me with Zuckerberg kind of shifting the focus to hiring,
are we getting to a point where we are approaching, we have enough capacity, enough chips,
and the investment starts shifting to how we use that capacity.
I mean, I don't think this is all or nothing.
I'm not like calling gloom and doom for Nvidia, but I do wonder if we'll look back at what Zuckerberg's doing here
and some of these investments and companies and say, okay, that was.
the beginning of the shift from exponential growth in chip demand to just a plateau and the money
started allocating elsewhere. Yeah, I agree with the Lou here. And I will say, you know,
expanding larger for meta, which I, by the way, I think it is an incredible company, has been an
amazing investment. And I'm happy I have exposure to it via all the index funds that I own. But I
will say this, tell me the one thing meta has done since like buying Instagram that has actually
helped cash flows here. They don't like take apart their, their balance, your income statement,
per segment basis, except for when it applies to reality labs. And I will say we see with reality
labs, despite all the capital thrown in it, has just not generated the returns they expected for
the Metaverse ambitions, which they renamed their company for. Reality Labs, actually as a
percentage of sale, has shrunk over the last couple of years. And it's just the same as it was in
2020. So it really hasn't been a massive driver of value for meta. And I will say, I just,
I think this is throwing money at the wall and seeing what sticks in the case for meta, which is to say
that they have a lot of capital.
They don't get a lot of shareholder pressure here
because their other businesses are so cash generative.
And I think they need to be a little bit more focused
on a per project basis of what's driving return on investment.
Because right now, it seems like they're just doing the most.
And I don't mean that as a compliment.
One company that's not driving a lot of return on investment today is Intel.
They announced massive layoffs,
and this is not the first time that they've announced big layoffs.
But this week, they said that 24,000 people are going to potentially lose their jobs,
about 15% of the staff.
Lou, what is going on here?
Is this something that's going to be a bigger problem for the tech industry broadly?
This was CEO Lib Bhutan's first quarter as CEO.
And if nothing else, I think what we're seeing here is he was brought in to shake things up,
make the company more efficient, question everything.
And, you know, cost cuts would be expected.
To me, and to relate to spec, AI, the most interesting thing about Intel was their commentary on Foundry.
Foundry was supposed to be their way to compete with Taiwan Semi and get some of this business
that, you know, the Nvidia chips and all that, kind of the third party.
Up until March, when Tom took over, the conventional wisdom inside Intel was Foundry is the
future. All emphasis was on Foundry. Now, the commentary is basically, hey, Foundry's got to prove
itself. For better or for worse, I think Ton has beginning to question everything in Intel.
Fair to say the company needs a reboot. The hard part isn't the flush. It's fair.
figuring out what direction to go from here.
So we'll see.
But I think it's a good first step.
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and we're going to come back and draft our favorite stocks.
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NFL training camps started this week,
and that means it's time to start preparing for fantasy footings.
So we thought it'd be fun to do a investing draft, something of a fantasy investing team.
Here's the rules.
We're going to pick four stocks.
This is going to be cumulative scores.
We're going to try to beat the market by as much as we can.
We can only pick stocks in the S&P 500.
And we're going to have a snake order with Emily starting first and Lou going second.
Emily, what are you starting with?
Well, I just want to say, I want the record to show that I resent this ask, just a little bit,
because I am limited to the S&P 500 stocks and some of my favorite.
companies are small caps or businesses that otherwise don't qualify to be added to the S&P 500.
Now, I will say, I understand the ask, but I do think when I look at the performance of an
index like the S&P, I have to look at the MAG 7. And I have to kind of benchmark against those
businesses because they have been the behemists that have driven overall indexed returns.
So I will say, I will mix up a little bit here. But my first one, of course, has to be Apple.
Out of all the MAG7 stocks, this is the one that I think has some of the lowest expectations
baked into it, that when I expand performance out for a full year, I think it's more likely
to surprise investors.
So this is fun because I'm going to take the other side of this trade.
My gut is over the next year, the MAG7 isn't going to be what leads the market.
The one year is really hard, though, because it really is, my brain goes to situations.
My first pick is GXO Logistics.
You might get to it more in a little bit, but this is, I'm going to favor things like
transportation that have really been beaten down by tariffs, by supply chain concerns,
I think that there is a near-term catalyst for these sorts of companies to outperform over
the next year.
So I have two picks here, and you guys left the easy one on the table.
That is Alphabet.
We talked about it already.
They are just crushing it in artificial intelligence.
Their cloud business grew 32% last quarter.
They have enough money to just bludgeon the competition in artificial intelligence.
and trading for less than 20 times forward earnings.
That's even before analysts start adjusting their estimates for the next year or two.
I think that's just the easiest pick, and you get a pretty good value.
Speaking of value, my second pick, and the first of the second round is going to be,
look, I think the market overall is pretty overvalued.
So given that, I want to look for some value stocks.
General Motors continues to, despite everything, despite potentially weakening consumer spending,
despite tariffs, they're still going to make a ton of.
of money this year and they're buying back 15 to 20 percent of their shares outstanding every year.
If the stock doesn't go anywhere over the next year, you could just own 20 percent more of GM
than you did a year ago. I think eventually that will pay off and maybe it'll be this year. Lou,
you're up next. I'm staying with my transports. UPS has basically been cut in half in the last few
years. It's still a good business. They did have headwinds, but I do think I'm ready to call a bottom.
I'm a little nervous if it will recover in 12 months versus 18, but I'm going with UPS on a recovery
and transports.
And I'm sticking with my good old consumers, and that is Chipotle.
We had earnings out from Chipotle this week that really disciplined the market.
In fact, I think the past year has seen a lot of the enthusiasm for Chipotle and its relative
perception of value fall.
And as a result, I actually think that this is one of those businesses that can pleasantly
surprise investors.
It's an affordable luxury and a tighter economic environment.
and I think they're likely to see more resiliency as it applies to their core customer
than a lot of investors are giving them credit for right now. You get two picks here. So what's
the second one? First pick of the third round. Oh, let's go with another consumer company here,
Travis, and that's Lulu Lemon. Now, I hear everybody smacking their heads as they listen to me
say that, because this has been such a dog over the course of this year. Obviously, they sell very
expensive, you know, at leisure apparel, and there's a lot of competition in the space and a lot
of skepticism over their business. But again, this all comes back down.
to expectations. Lulu Lemon has not been this cheap since the Great Recession, and their brand is
just as resilient today as it has been during any decade in the past. So I think this is also one
that's likely over the course of the next 12 months to surprise investors to the upside.
I'm going to switch gears a little. Accenture, ACN. This is not a climate where anybody wants
to commit to big, expensive consulting projects, but we talked about AI. Everyone's scared of AI and
what it's going to be. Not everyone can invest what good.
Google and Mehta is investing, so they need outside help. I think as some of the, hopefully
clouds clear on tariffs and where the economy is going, I think we're going to see an
uptick in businesses focusing on how they can use AI, hiring Accenture. I think the stock
can have a good year. Accenture is kind of like the easy button for companies in artificial
intelligence, it seems. I like easy buttons.
I have two picks here. I'm going to go with the value trend, once again, a company that I think
the market is just overlooking. Another buyback stock buying about 15% of their shares outstanding
each year. MGM Resorts, this is a company that owns about half of the Las Vegas Strip. They have
two casinos in Macau, which is actually the biggest market in the world. And oh, by the way,
they're building what could be one of the most profitable buildings in the world in Japan. That
won't up until 2030. So the market doesn't tend to care about that sort of outlook five years from now
quite yet. But if you believe management estimates, you just pull out some of their
their China business,
there are Macau business,
and their online gaming partnership with Entain,
their core business trades for about four times the cash that it's generating.
So that,
I think,
is a phenomenal value.
And the Las Vegas Strip isn't going anywhere.
They're not building a lot of new casinos.
And I think, you know,
10, 20, 30 years from now,
Blasio is still going to be at that core.
So I like the value there in the S&P 500.
The final pick for me is going to be one
that I think has just been overlooked for years.
That's Garmin.
If you are a Garmin watchwear,
you know that this is just one of those companies
that can command phenomenally high prices.
They have all the information.
They have a fascinating 10 years coming ahead
because as we move to more wearables,
companies like meta, get into glasses and things like that.
Here's this device that's just sitting here
waiting to be utilized more.
People are paying $1,000 plus for a lot of these watches.
I don't know.
Am I going to be able to use artificial intelligence?
am I going to be able to plug this into my health care app?
There's a lot of opportunities for them.
Not the cheapest stock at about 30 times earnings, but I just love where they're going.
And the vision for the company, the founder-led company, has been phenomenal over the last few years.
Lou, you're up.
So one of the areas the market really hasn't liked was mid-sized banks, regional banks,
and a bank that the market really hasn't liked is Truest Financial TFC.
Truest is the product of a merger.
They didn't do a great job on the merger integration.
So some of that lack of love is justified.
But I think the integration is behind them.
They have about $45 billion worth of loans that roll off in the second half.
Most of those are rolling off from kind of zero rate period.
So it should be an opportunity to reprise.
I like a near-term catalyst.
I like a good bank trading at below book value.
I think it can outperform from here.
And for my last stock, you know, I had half a mind to go with another Mag 7.
But the truth is, I really love some underappreciated constituents of the S&P 500, of which Tyler Technologies is one and will make up my last pick.
You know, Travis and Lou, have either of you ever heard about or looked at this company before?
Yeah.
This is the first time I've heard of it.
But yeah, this seems like a Blue Dally.
Well, I'm impressed because this is a company that not a lot of people are familiar with, but they provide software services and payment processing to small, local and regional and regional public sectors.
So like your local government or your state government, they made an acquisition of eGov,
a number of years back, which got them some federal exposure.
And they're operating in an industry that's just really massively underserved.
And as a result, it means that they don't have to have this incredible product because
the thing they're replacing is really just pins and papers.
And they're incredibly sticky.
So this is my pick to kind of lower the overall volatility of this portfolio.
Let's put you both on the spot and try to find a coach for our teams.
I think it's always fun to think about a CEO.
running any company. Lou, who would you have as the CEO running this company of your four
stocks? So maybe it's recency bias because I was just looking at Kinseil Capital's results,
but Michael Kehoe at Kinsel is just a founder with a vision and is executed for a long time now.
That's front of mine. I'll take him as the coach. I will say, Travis, you did tell us that
the CEO had to be a CEO of an SEP 500 company. I didn't, no. So I went outside the box here
And I actually, I'm running with Bombsuit Kim, who is the founder and CEO of a company called
Kupong. Kupong is a Korean e-commerce company, sometimes referred to as like the Amazon of South
Korea. And the reason why I love him so much as a leader is because he has a very high level of
operational expertise. And I love the way he talks about driving shareholder value. And most
importantly, I think the best thing that a leader needs is the ability to recognize when mistakes
have been made and to change course, to be flexible and open-minded. And when Kupon, it's
tempted to expand into Japan, that initiative within a first year or two, failed pretty spectacularly.
And Bombsuit Kim was not afraid to come out and say, okay, that didn't work. We're stopping,
wasting our money by attempting to make this expansion there and focusing on back on our core
competencies as opposed to dumbling down just a safe face. So I'm running with bombsuit Kim here.
I've got a lot of sort of value companies. So I went with an execution person. I think what Mary Barrow's
done at GM has just been phenomenal. Obviously, it's one of the stocks that's in my, in my group here,
but she's just been in a very, very difficult market, continues to generate cash,
continues to have really good products coming out. The market doesn't really seem to care,
but I think if you're looking for a company to run companies that where operations are going
to be the focus, she has done a phenomenal job. Let's put some time on the calendar next
July to check in and see who won.
And we will maybe put this up on the
Motley Fool Twitter page as well.
You can let us know what they're what you have picked.
But in the meantime, Dan behind the glass
has been judging our
picks. Dan, what do you
think of our teams and who has the best team here?
Okay. So I'm
not a stock analyst. Let's just
keep that in mind. I think all of you
did a fantastic job. So I'm just
going to split a few hairs
here. Emily, I liked
all your picks, except
Lou Lemon. I don't know. I don't think it has legs. Heyo. So I'm going to give you an A minus.
Lou, I liked all your picks except for Truest because I don't like the name. So I'm going to
give you an A minus. And Travis, I liked all your picks. I don't gamble, so except for MGM Resorts.
So I'm going to give you, you guessed it, an A minus. You're not wrong on the name. You're not.
And it's clearly grating on a curve here.
next up we are going to give you 60 second takes on some earnings this week and stocks on our radar
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We're in the heart of earnings season, so I want to put the three of us on the clock
with some takeaways from earnings this week.
Emily, in 60 seconds, what is one earnings report you think has a big takeaway for investors?
I have to think about Boston beer here.
And this was actually a strong quarter for them.
Stocks up a bit after they reported sales growth of 1.5%.
And a lot of that comes down to how they're managing costs.
their gross margins actually expanded year over year because of efficiency derived from their product
mix, and that production has actually helped absorb the cost of tariffs. So there's a nice
combo of low expectations for Boston beer and a mild beat. But they're still facing tariff headwinds.
I think there could be headwinds of up to 100 basis points over the course of the next year
that they won't be able to probably pass along to consumers because they're already raising prices so much.
So this is a business that otherwise seems strong. I mean, they're continuing to buy back shares,
generate a lot of cash flow. But fundamentally, this is like a fine business operating in a bad
industry right now. And you have to think that that just kind of makes a bad business. It's not
just beer consumption that is down. I mean, alcohol consumption across the board is on a decline.
And while I'm really impressed what this company has done, given the premonization of their
alcoholic tea and the Suncruiser brand, these like one-offs aren't going to fix their company.
And I pray that at some point, management just like sees the light here. They keep talking about what
it means when their industry will improve. I mean, that is an exact quote from their earnings
call. They expect the industry to improve. And quarter after quarter, alcohol consumption and beer
consumption declines. The industry is not improving. But you know what people are going towards?
Cannabis and others. And they're taking like hundreds of millions of dollars and buying back
their own shares instead of actually investing in something that is a growing industry. So I really
wish that this company would take a broader look and think, how do I make sure that Boston beer
is relevant a decade from now, as opposed to just accepting their business as it exists today.
Speaking of companies in bad industries, NFACE makes microinverters that convert energy
from solar panels to AC current we use in our house, it has been a tough stock to love, down 70%
over the past year. And, you know, look, not without reason. Arguably, the current political
climate in the U.S. is not favorable towards solar. A lot of the tax incentives that were supposed to
fuel residential solar growth. They're disappearing as part of the big, beautiful bill. And yeah, shares
were down another 10% on an earnings release where Enfei said the U.S. residential market is going to
shrink by 20% in the next year. But, you know, looking at these earnings. They actually top
quarterly expectations for both earnings and revenue. Some of this could be a poll forward,
people trying to get systems installed ahead of those tax credits running out. But I also think it's a sign
that there is just kind of expectations align with reality and we can stop with the maybe quarter
to quarter drama. Companies doing what it can. European sales are up and phases pushing new products
that don't require big tax subsidies like balcony solar systems to be used in an emergency. As a shareholder,
I walk away from this quarter both with little reason to get excited in the near term and surprisingly
not concerned, given how much the holding is down over the last year. If solar ends up being a big
part of the long-term answer here. And I still think that's likely. There is nothing to adjust
in phase won't have a big part to play in that transition. It's just going to take a lot of time.
That balcony solar product is going to be really interesting to see. The one that I think that we need
to pay a little bit more attention to, if you're interested in an autonomous driving,
MobileI beat their estimates for the quarter, increased their guidance. And then they also said
that they're going to be launching in 2026, some autonomous vehicles here in the U.S.
They have been testing those for quite a while.
So keep an eye on mobile eye if you're interested in autonomous driving.
Now, we like to end the show with stocks on our radar.
Emily, I'm going to start with you.
What are you watching this week?
I'm looking at a company called Chaki Holdings.
The ticker is CHA.
This is relatively new to public market, so probably a new one for a lot of listeners.
But this is a rapidly growing collection of upscale tea houses and bars, largely in China,
although they are expanding across Southeast Asia and even the United States as well.
This is run by a founder-led management team who's still relatively young, and they have
massively expanding business. Now, there are some red flags here. This is a franchise model,
and same store sales growth is declining as a lot of cannibalization happens across their massive
expansion. But it is sitting at that, you know, $5 billion-ish sweet spot when it comes to the
market cap of some of these fast casual chains. And we've seen the success in the number of stores
that can be held up by a large market in China. They have a higher price point, which has improved
profitability, and this is an incredibly profitable cash-generative company growing really rapidly.
Definitely one to keep on your radar.
Dan, what do you think there?
Yeah, Emily, another reason for the listeners to dislike me, but I'm a big tea drinker.
So this is exciting to me.
Do you have a favorite type of tea you like to drink?
I'm actually a loyal coffee enthusiast, but I will say the majority of what Chagi sells
are actually tea lattes, like milk-based teas.
So really not what you would imagine when you think about a classic tea.
Lou, what are you looking at this week?
I mentioned it before in the draft, but GXO Logistics, it's a backdoor way to play the kind
of continued growth in e-commerce and Omni-Channel Commerce without having to pick winners
and losers among retailers.
Company runs warehouses, the supply chains, and handles returns for Apple, Nike, Whirlpool,
Apple built a million dollar warehouse and just threw the keys at GXO and say, it's your
problem.
The stock has underperformed in part because it has a major European account.
exposure and Europe hasn't done as well as the US for the last few years. It was also waiting
in a trust approval for a big deal. Europe is picking up. The deal is finally closed. They report
in early August. I'm really curious if these headwinds turn the tailwinds and we start to see
some life in the stock. Dan, is a logistics area of the market that you have any interest in
plan? I mean, you have to say yes to that, don't you? Because companies like GXO are kind of behind
everything that we consume and everything that we do around here. So yeah, I'm interested in logistics.
But my question is for Lou. Lou, do you have any warehouse experience in your job history?
No, I visited them. Does that count? I got to see a cool robots demonstration, which is that,
if that counts. I think that does count. Everybody likes cool robots.
All right, Dan, which of these stocks are you going to put on your watch list?
Well, as much as I like cool robots and logistics, I'm actually going to go with Chaggy because, you know what?
I'm a little thirsty and I think I'm thinking about my next cup of tea here, Travis.
For Lou Whiteman, Emily Flippin, Dan Boyd behind the glass and the entire Motley Fool team.
I am Travis Hoyam. Thanks for listening to Motley Fool Money. We'll see you here tomorrow.
