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Episode Date: August 9, 2013Amazon founder Jeff Bezos buys The Washington Post. Groupon and Tesla surprise investors. And Disney survives the Lone Ranger. Our analysts discuss those stories and retirement expert Robert Broka...mp shares some timeless retirement advice. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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I'm your host, Chris Hill.
Joining me in studio this week from Motley Fool 1, Jason Mozer, for Motley Fool's Supernova, Matt Argusinger,
and for a million-dollar portfolio, Mr. Ron Gross.
Good to see you, gentlemen.
Hey, Chris.
Earnings Palozo rolls on.
We're going to talk automotive, entertainment, consumer goods, and more.
Retirement expert Robert.
Brokamp is our guest this week. And as always, we've got a few stocks on our radar.
But we begin this week with a pretty big shakeup in the media industry.
Amazon.com founder and CEO, Jeff Bezos, stunned the business and media world by agreeing
to buy the Washington Post for $250 million. And Jason, this was particularly surprising here
in the D.C. area when you consider that the Graham family has owned the Washington Post for 80
years. This is Bezos. This is not an Amazon acquisition.
But what do you think of the move?
Well, I mean, you made the point about the Graham family there.
And actually, Bezos and Don Graham do have a friendship.
Don Graham had advised Bezos on some ways to sort of get the newspaper across on the Kindle readers.
And so, you know, it was definitely a surprising deal.
But by the same token, when you look at what Jeff Bezos really is all about,
and while this doesn't have really anything to do with Amazon, I mean, Amazon has everything to do with the way he looks at the world, the way he thinks.
And so, I mean, we know that Jeff Bezos is, first and foremost, a long-term thinker.
And that when it comes to his business philosophy, it's always about the customer first.
And we certainly see that in what he's doing with Amazon.
And he's going to make, as he said, bold investments where he thinks there's a sufficient opportunity to gain market leadership.
And so what I think is, I think that he sees the Washington Post as this respected, reputable brand that's really had a difficult time.
making the leap into 21st century media.
And for him, I mean, this guy's one of the most forward thinkers we know.
And to be able to sort of take that platform, that brand that's already there and established,
he's not going in with a roadmap.
There's going to be a lot of trial and error, a lot of experimentation.
But it's going to be something that he's going to, I think, look at this for years and years to come.
It's going to be a long story to play out.
Yeah, I think it's interesting.
We'll see with him he'll take the Washington Post more national.
He'll go to try to compete with the Wall Street Journal, the New York Times to make it, I mean, it is national already, but even more so.
Whereas when you see Warren Buffett accumulating all of these tiny, smaller regional newspapers, it's really the opposite.
He likes them for the niche of being a regional player that people really still rely on those papers for their news and for their advertising.
So there's a lot of investment going on in the newspaper world, but for different reasons.
Yeah, I wonder if this is going to end up if you're like, subscribers to the Washington Post are going to get a free Kindle with their subscription.
You know what I mean?
Because ultimately he's just trying to.
Now I'm interested.
Yeah, now I'm signing up tomorrow.
But he's been very clear from the get-go.
He's not looking to make money on selling the device.
He's trying to make money from us using device.
So the device is secondary for him.
And this is going to be yet another sort of piece of content, albeit a very big piece of content, that will go into sort of his universe.
Now, that's the newspaper world.
When you go to the world of television, we have got a.
smackdown going on between Time Warner Cable and CBS. You've got millions of Time Warner Cable
customers in Los Angeles, New York City, Dallas, who have basically had CBS cut off over this
fight over retransmission fees. And I got to say, and part of it is because I'm not affected,
I love this. I just love that this is happening. This is far more interesting to me from a business
standpoint than any of the hedge fund manager slap fights that we see going on on Wall Street.
This makes me think that, Maddie, this might not be the first one of these we see.
No, I mean, we talk all the time about the cost of content and the value of it.
And this is just another example where two sides have a disagreement about that.
And it's affecting millions of people.
I mean, you know, with the PGA championships being played right now, it's going to be on CBS this weekend.
Millions of people are not going to be able to watch the PGA championship, presumably.
Oh, goodness.
Which is.
That sounds awful.
Well, for some of us it is.
Wait till the NFL comes.
This will be resolved.
And even the Big Bang Theory.
That was my next point.
For those out there that love that show, this will get done.
Yeah, by September, certainly.
It'll be resolved.
But it's a bigger question, certainly, about content.
I love CBS's timing here.
I mean, they are really putting the screws to Time Warner when they had the chance, right?
Because, I mean, to Maddie's point about content, I mean, CBS is running in there right now with the number one show on TV and under the dome.
A lot of sports that they offer, a lot of sports that's coming up.
I mean, they're saying, hey, right now, we're kind of on top here.
Let's just kind of get this while the getting's good.
Now, I mean, this is just a fundamental disagreement, right?
I mean, they want X amount of dollars, and Time Warner says they deserve Y amount of dollars.
They're going to have to meet in the middle, because ultimately, if they don't, then they, then both parties come out losing.
Well, we'll keep watching, because as I said, I can't believe that this is going to be the only one of these parts that we see.
In the second quarter, Tesla Motors sold 5,150 cars, which is 650 more than was expected.
And because of that, Maddie, shares up more than 12% on Thursday.
Really? Is that all it takes?
Just a few hundred more cars, and that's it?
You know, I think this is Alex Shearer, who covers this in Stock Advisor,
recommended Tesla for Stock Advisor.
And is an owner.
And is an owner of the Model S and the stock, and has done incredibly well.
It's a beautiful car, by the way.
The 650 cars is not a big deal, obviously.
I mean, this is a company, you know, Tesla's going to do 21,000 cars this year.
I mean, Ford does about 10 million cars a year.
just to give you some context.
But what I think this is,
this is a classic Wall Street catch-up.
Wall Street's playing catch-up with this company.
They're just behind the eight-ball.
The Wall Street Journal actually had a story about this,
how wrong analysts have been following Tesla
in terms of their projections of profits and cars.
And, like, for example, I read a few analyst reports after the call
talking about how, well, you know,
the demand for the Model S could be waning
because, you know, the growth in the quarter of a quarter
with the Model S wasn't that behind.
Tesla has a raise.
It's $21,000.
estimate. But to me, if you listen to Tesla and Elon Musk, all they're saying is, look, look,
we have tons of demand for Model S. We just can't, we have third-party distribution problems.
We have third-party supplier issues. We just can't meet the demand right now. And so I think
that's kind of the bigger story right now with Tesla, is that we know the demand is there.
I mean, they just, I think they bought 31 acres of land next to their largest production facility
with the idea that eventually we're going to have to build out to maintain the demand. So,
I just think Wall Street's behind the ball. They've been behind the ball for several quarters now.
If they catch up, then maybe the final stock price will catch. But I also mention that the, again, shorts have been pummeled on this stock. But going into this quarter, still 30% of the float roughly was short. So if you're wrong on Tesla, ouch.
Online travel stocks making headlines this week. Orbits up 37% on Thursday after second quarter results were much better than expected. And price line second quarter profits rose 24%.
and the stock is hovering in the neighborhood of $1,000 a share.
What do you think, Ron?
I think it's another high-flying stock I never own.
That's what I think.
People are traveling.
These things look really strong.
Profits are looking good.
Bookings are up significantly for both companies.
Even Asia and surprisingly Europe was solid.
So we're seeing it all come in really nicely for both these companies.
Obviously, price line is much, much, much larger than or.
but 36% increase in one day for orbits is not too shabby.
So I think the guidance was a little bit conservative for the second half of this year,
but still nice and solid, so they're doing well.
You've made the point about price line being so much bigger than orbits.
Is this a situation where a couple of years from now orbits is just no longer in existence
or is acquired by someone else because it really does seem like increasingly price line is so dominant
in this industry?
wondering at some point, it just becomes harder and harder for orbits to compete.
It is harder.
I'm not sure if an acquisition would make sense.
I don't know why someone would want to buy it rather than just beat them into the ground.
Plus, you could even come up with antitrust issues, perhaps, although there's certainly
Expedia and the other folks out there.
Expedia is having its own trouble since a trip advisor was spun out.
But price line is certainly the big gorilla here, and they're going to be the guys to beat,
and it's going to be tough.
shares of Disney down this week.
Second quarter earnings came in slightly higher than expected, but they missed on revenue, Jason.
And the Lone Ranger for the 17 people who actually saw it, it's going to lose a minimum of $160 million for Disney.
Yeah, the Lone Ranger is certainly not going to be when they look back on.
It's a big success story.
Thankfully, that didn't really play out fully this quarter.
We get to wait for next quarter to watch that play out.
But they did realize, I think, some pre-release marketing expenses there.
But, you know, I mean, the thing is with Disney that the studio segment, the movie segment, really is the one that makes all the headlines because of the movies that they put out that typically do so well.
But really the biggest moneymakers for the company are seen in the parks and resorts and the big moneymaker in their cable properties and media networks with ESPN and ABC and things like that.
And those two segments of the business performed very well.
What we're seeing with parks and resorts particularly because that accounts about 20% of the company's operating income is for a long time here during the business.
the financial crisis and the recession was that they were not able to really maintain any pricing.
They were having to cut a lot of deals to get people into the parks.
They are able to really start, they're stopping that.
I mean, they are able to maintain a little bit more pricing now.
So what we're seeing is a little bit more of that operating leverage flows down to the bottom line there.
They can maintain their pricing while traffic is going back up thanks to a slowly mending economy.
So between that and the affiliate fees that they bring in on those cable networks,
You know, sales came in a little bit light, but I stress a little bit light.
And when you see the market react like this, it's an opportunity, I think, to pick up a really solid long-term holding.
To go back to the battle between CBS and Time Warner Cable, how closely do you think the people at ESPN are watching how this plays out?
Because I have to believe if CBS has leverage, ESPN also has to be thinking about how much leverage they have with the cable operators.
I would think very close, especially because you know that CBS is feeling like their sports properties are a big part.
part of this equation. And so ESPN and sports are one of the same, essentially. And that's really
what has been the argument for many of us not ever wanting to cut the cable at all.
Coming up, the business of breakfast just got more awesome. Don't touch the dial. You're listening
to Motley Full Money. Welcome back to Motley Full Money. Chris Hill here in studio with Jason
Moser, Matt Argusinger, and Ron Gross. Zillow's second quarter revenue was up 69%. Maddie,
They had a loss that was narrower than before.
It seems like things are going in the right direction, but I don't know.
You watch it a lot more closely than me.
What do you make of the quarter?
It was a very solid quarter.
You know, with Zillow and a lot of these companies in this space, don't pay attention to the bottom line so much.
Don't pay attention to earnings.
I know.
Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain?
No profits.
I mean, this is, you know, top line, yeah, 69% revenue growth.
But the marketplace business, which is their main driver, this is where agents and
brokers, you know, pay Zillow, thousands of dollars for placement and leads to connect with
homebuyers. That was up 86% year over year. That's huge. Their subscription growth within that,
so their premier agents was up 71%. They added 5,000 agents. That, to me, that tells me that
business is very, very strong. Ron, your wife works in the real estate industry. How's she feeling
about Zillow? I was just talking to Chief Rule Breaker David Gardner about this the other day,
and I think something he said struck me. Zillowell.
at first was capturing the smaller realtors, the people that were really looking to Zillow to increase their book of business.
And they're slowly making inroads with the bigger real estate agents.
And that's going to really, if they can be successful there, drive the business.
I don't see it happening just yet, but I think we see a little bit of that light at the end of the tunnel maybe.
So that's something I would watch.
Sticking with online stock, shares of Groupon up more than 20 percent on Thursday after second quarter results.
Jason, revenue up 7% year over year, not that big, but really seems like the fact that leadership is now being cemented with Ted Leonis as the chairman and Eric Lefkowski, the interim CEO having the interim removed from his title.
Right. Well, I mean, we can look at this quarter as sort of the good, the bad, and the ugly.
You look at the good, and I think the leadership change certainly there, or the leadership confirmation, really.
It takes that, you know, you remove that word interim there, and now all of a sudden you have some certainty there with the CEO and Ted Leonso's being in there as the chairman of the board. So that's great. And the trend in mobile was certainly encouraging, as they saw about 50% of their transactions in North America for the month of June were mobile versus 30% a year ago. You know, the bad, I think that really, I look at that $300 million share buyback. And to me, that is just, it just reeks of just awful decision making. You know, a company in this position when they're trying to turn things around,
They have an opportunity really to take that $300 million and invest it in the business, buying back shares, which is quite plainly.
And they even said so on the call. It's just to offset dilution. Shareholders get virtually nothing out of that.
And then really the ugly for me in this case is why I still would never invest in Groupon.
While they have gone away from being a one-trick pony of just offering daily deals, now they're going into a couple of more tricks,
is offering goods and offering some travel deals and even offering you to make your reservations for you at a restaurant.
But the problem is they're sort of backing into these markets with your companies like OpenTable and Amazon and price line.
I don't like their chances of competing against first mover, big dog companies like that.
And that's why I'm still very much off of this stock.
Green Mountain Coffee Roaster's third quarter profit was up 59%.
But Ron, revenue was at the low end of projections.
What did you make at the quarter?
It seems like the very early reaction on Thursday for this stock, it tanked right at the open.
It really seems to stabilize throughout the week.
I think it tanked, as you said, on the lower, came in light on revenue, but lower coffee costs really drove profits, which of course is good.
I don't think you can extrapolate that out too far into the future, though.
But I think what's more important is, though, even though the Kyrig machines themselves were down about 4% in terms of sales, we saw these single server pods up 18%.
And the big fear here with Green Mountain was when some of their patents came off, that they were going to be,
in real trouble with the K-cups.
And what we're seeing is not so bad.
They're really turning what they say.
They're turning competitors into licensing partners.
We see that with Starbucks.
They've increased their relationship with them.
So it's really not as bad as people had thought it would be,
and I think the stock reacted appropriately.
You mentioned the lower coffee prices.
That seems like the sort of thing that is just the automatic win for anyone in this business,
Starbucks, Duncan Brands, that sort of thing.
Of course, the flip side,
They're not going to stay low forever, right?
I mean, at some point, if you want to see the glass is half empty, don't you look at that
and think, boy, that's going to hurt their margins as soon as those prices rise?
Sure.
You take it when you can get it, so it's nice to see margins up now.
But the mistake for an analyst or an investor would be to carry that forward into future years
because you would end up making a valuation mistake.
Hey, you know what goes great with coffee?
Breakfast.
Taco Bell has been testing the waffle, taco.
They were testing it in Southern California in just three locations, and they are now expanding it to three markets. Fresno, California, Omaha, Nebraska, Chattanooga, Tennessee in about 100 locations.
This is it, right?
I mean, this is just the final test before it gets rolled out nationally, don't you think?
I think so.
I mean, I think this has probably got to be their biggest hit since the Doritos Locos Taco or whatever that is.
I still haven't had one of those.
This is something, yeah, neither of I.
I mean, I never will, and I never will have one of these breakfast tacos either.
You know, Mack and I were talking before taping here.
I mean, you just go back to basics here, man.
I mean, the breakfast burrito is so good.
It's just, you know, now all of a sudden they try to get novel with this.
It's not better wrapped in a waffle, though?
The waffle that's a taco.
I mean, you just make it better.
If you inject maple syrup into that waffle.
Well, now you're getting into a McGrittles thing.
I'm sure there would be a patent war out of something like that.
But, yeah, I mean, it's certainly they need to do.
something with a breakfast menu because it doesn't seem very compelling now, and we're
talking about it, so it must be important.
It must be important.
But on a more serious note, we've talked before about breakfast, coffee being a game changer
for McDonald's, breakfast expanding opportunities and revenue for these businesses.
Why is Chipotle not going down this road?
Well, I mean, Chipotle is testing things like this at least.
I mean, their stores right now are focused on their strengths, which is lunch and dinner,
obviously, but there are a couple of stores that they have that open a little bit earlier,
and they are using those stores as sort of testing grounds to see if that's a market that
would be worth pursuing, and I would just say at this point to stay tuned.
Let's bring in our man, Steve, from the other side of the glass.
Steve, do you have any interest in maybe, I'm not suggesting you and I road trip to Chattanooga,
although that would be fun, but a waffle taco?
Is that of interest you at all?
Can I name it the Waco?
Nice.
That might be confused with the, if you spell it, as I think you might, then, I mean, it may be confused with Waco and that might send some people home.
No, I didn't want that.
No. Waco. Waco. Waco.
Two Csies, maybe.
I don't know.
Two Csies.
Sounds delicious.
I don't know.
I do like waffles and I do like tacos.
So I think it's a win-win.
All right.
Drop us an email, Radio at Fool.com.
Way in on the big stories of the week, but especially the waffle taco.
All right.
Ron Gross, Matt Argusinger, Jason Moser.
Guys, we'll see you a little bit later in the show.
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Welcome back to Motley Fool Money.
I'm Chris Hill.
For many Americans, it is the number one financial question they face.
And that is, am I saving enough for retirement?
For the answer and for a few other topics.
We turn to the Motley Fool's resident retirement expert, Robert Brokamp.
Good to see you, my friend.
Well, thank you, Chris.
How are we doing?
And when I say we, I mean the collective we.
Do you have a sense of how Americans are doing at this point in time in terms of saving for retirement?
I feel like it's the sort of thing where no matter how well we're doing, we could always be doing a better job.
Right. And the answer to your question is not well.
I mean, the average person is not saving enough to retire. They have not accumulated enough to retire.
One issue, though, is I think that we have to re-envision retirement.
colleague, Morgan Housel wrote an article a while back, and he cited some interesting statistics.
And then back in the 1880s, 78% of people who were 65 or older were still working.
You move ahead to 2010, just 22% of people are still working.
So we're living longer, but stopping work earlier.
So I think to a certain degree, we're asking too much of ourselves to accumulate enough over 40 years of work to pay for 30,
years of retirement. I think we have to reconceive retirement, reconceive what we're going to do
in our older years and think, you know what, maybe doing something, some kind of work well into
our 70s isn't such a bad idea. When you think about that whole notion of, you know,
retirement reimagining it, I think of earlier this week on Twitter, T. Boone Pickens came out
and linked to a study that CNBC had done about people retirees.
retiring later in life.
And the way he put it was, I'm never going to retire.
When I retire, I'm going to retire in a box.
Right.
I mean, is that really the mentality that we should be taking,
that it's that it is not this pot of gold at the end of the rainbow,
but it's just essentially dismiss it as we have come to know it to this point.
I think so.
And that's because the fact of the matter is retirement actually may not be good for people.
There was a French study out recently that found that people who are
retired earlier, we're more likely to suffer from dementia later in life. Some possible reasons
for that is our job gives us a certain level of intellectual stimulation, certainly gives us
some social benefits. You know, we become friends with the people we work with. So there are all
kinds of benefits to retirement. And I would think one thing that people should think about,
especially if they haven't saved enough, is to think, all right, what else do I want to do for
the rest of my life? Maybe the kids are out of the house, the mortgage is almost paid off.
You have a little bit more financial freedom, maybe take a job more for how much you enjoy it rather than the paycheck, and you'll be more comfortable with working well into your 70s and 80s.
For people who are still thinking about, no, I actually do want to have the retirement community in Florida or whatever it is, however they envision retirement for them, retirement for themselves.
And they realize, you know what, I'm not saving enough.
Let's say you're 50 years old and you do a quick.
quick check of your finance? Do you think I'm not saving enough? Are there a couple of ways that are
sort of the best and quickest ways to catch up if you feel like you're not saving enough for
retirement? And if so, what are those things that someone, again, at the age of 50, if they want to
start catching up, what's the best way to go about that? Well, like I said, when you get older,
kids are out of the house, hopefully. You've paid for college, hopefully. So a lot of people at that
stage in life suddenly find themselves with additional cash flow. So it comes down to really making
sure that you save that instead of spending it. Uncle Sam helps a little bit in that 401k and
IRA contribution limits go up for those who are 50 and older. So you need to start saving more.
The other thing is that is also not so fun, but very powerful, is retiring just a few years later.
So there's an example, use an example. So let's say you're 50 years old, making $75,000 a year,
saving 10% of your income, you would retire at 65 and about 70% of your current income to cover
your expenses. And generally, that's what people do. They live on 70% of what they were making
before they retired. If you're only saving 10% of your income and you've only accumulated
$50,000 up to this point, you retire at 65, that money's going to only last seven years.
Not very long. And at that point, Social Security is only going to cover about 44% of
your expenses. Okay. Let's say you delay to age 70 and still just saving 70%. You've extended how long
your money is going to last from seven years to 16 years. Wow. So your money's going to last longer.
Plus, previously I said Social Security is going to cover only 44% of this person's expenses.
Now Social Security is going to cover 61%. That's because for every year you delay taking Social Security,
the benefit goes up about 8%. So you delay to age 70.
you've increased the amount of Social Security that you're going to get.
That's guaranteed income.
It adjusts for inflation.
I know people have lots of questions about Social Security,
but I think anyone in their 50s and older can pretty much assume that they're going to get it.
You're listening to Motley Fool Money talking with Robert Brokamp,
retirement expert here at the Motley Fool.
For a lot of people, the 401K plan is really their ticket to retirement,
their main financial engine to retirement.
And yet it seems like there's something,
of a growing backlash against 401Ks.
There are articles that I've seen that the system, the 401K system, is really failing,
working Americans.
What is the issue here and how bad is it?
Well, first of all, one of the big problems with 401K is that the employee has to manage it themselves.
Employees are smart people, wonderful people.
But that doesn't mean everyone in this country is an investment expert.
it doesn't mean that, you know, everyone can work all day, come home, cook dinner, take care of the kids,
and then at 10 o'clock at night they want to sit around and learn about asset allocation and choosing the best funds and stocks.
We're asking a little bit too much of people here too to make everyone becomes their own financial planner,
and not everyone has the time, inclination, or skills. So that's one problem. The other problem is that 401K plans themselves are not often good investment plans.
the costs may be high. You're limited by the investment choices, usually a handful of mutual funds. And often these
plans are chosen and designed by the folks in the HR department. Wonderful smart people also may not be
investment professionals or experts. And to defray the costs of running a 401k plan, the employer
might choose a plan that shifts some of those costs onto the employee in the form of higher expenses
and more expensive mutual funds.
So really, in a lot of ways, I don't want to go so far as to say the system is rigged because
it's not.
You know, it puts people in control of their savings.
They can decide how much they can spend a little bit on how to manage the money, that
type of good stuff.
But it is not as, it's not the ticket to a secure retirement that a lot of people thought
it would be, especially back in the 90s when everyone's accounts were growing at 20% a year.
I just like the image that you just painted there, the whole.
notion of at the end of the long day. Once the kids are in bed, I can open up a bottle of wine
and by candle, I'd say, honey, come on over here on the sofa and snuggle with me. We're going to
buckle down with some asset allocation lessons. Talk index funds to me. Exactly. You and I
talked about this earlier in the week. The whole notion of opting in and why that's not automatic,
when I think about all the transactions that the average person goes through online, whether it's a
free email that you sign up for or a purchase that you make online and you are opted into
email, marketing, catalogs coming to your home, that sort of thing. Is it that radical a notion
for a company to say, oh, by the way, when you start working here, we have automatically
opted you into our 401k plan. That seems like an easy, like, again, that's the one thing
I'd love to be opted into. Right. And it is becoming less radical, but as we were discussing,
earlier in the week that even we at the Motley Fool on the 401K committee had a pretty
heated debate about whether we should automatically enroll people because it's their money
and we shouldn't tell them what to do with their money. But more and more employers are doing it.
In fact, the Motley Fool is going to start doing that now. One reason people didn't do it
beforehand was concerns about liability, right? So if I'm an employer, I'm going to put you in my
401k plan, which investment do I choose? And am I going to get in trouble for choosing
that. Fortunately, there was something called the Pension Protection Act in the 2000s, earlier 2000s,
which said, yes, you can enroll people. And if you put them in an appropriate investment,
and they listed out specific ones, your employees can't sue you. So thanks to that,
more and more employers are putting people in the 401K automatically and automatically escalating
the savings rate so that they're saving more every year.
What is your own vision of retirement like? And has it changed?
I mean, we've known each other a good 15 years or so.
I am curious, to what extent you think about how you envision your own retirement?
You're married, you have kids, and also has that changed over time?
I would say it hasn't changed.
I think I am someone who is like T. Boone Pickens.
I would be very surprised if I ever retire to a life of leisure.
You know that at one point I was studying to be a priest.
So I think at some point what's most likely,
is that I will take a job that is more along the lines of make the world a better place
type of thing. And it might be still doing what I'm doing, but offer more financial planning
service for lower income people, things like that. But again, like I said earlier, at some
point in your life, you can focus more on what really brings me happiness, whether that
as opposed to what's going to create enough income for me to take care of my kids and stuff like
that. Do you ever find yourself, though, clicking through when the articles get promoted on
a financial website or a general news site, you know, the top 10 places to retire to,
that sort of thing. Do you find yourself looking at that stuff? And if so, does anything leap out
at you in terms of not just this looks like a nice location, but, oh, this looks like a
financially, if not easy place to live? Certainly, this is a place where I can enjoy a
comfortable retirement and not feel like I'm breaking the bank.
Right. And that's also a very powerful
way to increase your retirement security, especially if you are like us and you live in a higher
cost part of the country. You sell your house. You move down somewhere where it's cheaper. You buy a house
outright. Taxes are lower. Maintenance is lower. All kinds of things are easier to pay for and
your dollar goes farther. And it doesn't even have to be in this country. I mean, we've talked
before about this couple that I've profiled in rule your retirement who live all over the
world on less than $30,000 a year because you can go live on a beautiful beach in South America
on almost nothing.
So more and more Americans are doing that as well.
And that's also partially because health care is so expensive here.
You can actually get decent health care in places outside of the U.S.
What?
Yes.
Are you kidding?
Absolutely.
No, no, no.
That can't be right.
And it's high quality health care.
It's much cheaper.
I mean, obviously you have to do your research and all that stuff.
But that's another reason why many Americans are retiring overseas.
Last question.
And I'll move away from sort of retirement in this regard because we've been talking about people who are closer to retirement than the person I'm about to mention.
That is your oldest daughter who was in the office earlier this week.
And I'm curious, when you talk with her about money, she is just starting to really make her way in the world in terms of having a job and all that sort of.
of thing. What do you see in her and her experiences with money that make you as a dad go,
oh, okay, she's getting it. She's really starting to learn. One of the, I think, least appreciated
aspects of financial planning is your human capital, which basically is your ability to earn money,
your skills, your social network, your affability, because that's important in the workplace.
Do you get along with people? Do they want to work with you? And we actually, that's the
discussion we had in terms of, all right, what skills do you have to build to get to the point
where you have the job that you want? Some of that is education. Some of it is, you know what,
just go find someone who offers that job, an employer that you like, and say, listen,
I'll work for you for free for a little while. Just give me a chance. Give me the experience.
I'll do whatever you need. I just want to get my foot in the door. You have to be pretty
aggressive about stuff like that, and we know people here at the Motley Fool have done that. I'll work here
for a month. You don't like what I've done? Well, part ways, fine. You like what I've done. You can
hire me and pay me for this month that I've been here. So I think that's one way to think of it.
And then the other way to think of it, and this is the way we think about investing is as you get older,
accumulate companies, right? So when you're a stockholder, you are a genuine part owner of the company.
So to look at it that way, as you're using your human capital, earning some money, use that money
to buy little pieces of companies that can grow along with you. He's a certified financial
planner. He runs our Rule Your Retirement Service. He is our resident retirement expert, Robert Brokamp.
It's always good to talk with you. Thanks, miss.
Coming up, we'll give you an inside look at the stocks on our radar. This is Motley Fool
Money.
As always, people on the program may have interest in the stocks they talk about, and the
Motley Fool may have formal recommendations for or against. So no buy or sell stocks based solely
on what you hear. I'm Chris Hill, joining me in studio once again. Ron Gross, Matt Arguson.
our Jason Moser. Guys, before we get to the stocks on our radar, happy to say, we get to welcome
in a couple of new stations, Business 1310 WRSB in Rochester, New York, along with Sister
Station, WASB, AM 1590. We're on in the Rock.
Nice. Speaking of the PGA Championship, that's up there in Rochester this week.
There you go. Again, we've got to do a little road trip here.
Let's bring in our man, Steve, for the stocks on our radar, and he'll hit you with a question,
and feel free to hit him back, Ron. But you're up first. What's your stock?
this week.
Heading back to Perry Ellis, P-E-R-Y, diversified fashion clothing merchandiser.
They report next Monday, and they've been revamping their Perry Ellis line and their
women's line called Raphaelah.
And they've been making great progress, but we need to see how that progress is continuing.
So that's something I'm watching real close.
I think it's very undervalued here, 40, 50% upside probably.
Wow.
Steve, question about Perry Ellis?
First off, full disclosure, my wife's cousin does work for Perry Ellis, so I must disclose that.
Okay.
Secondly, consider it disclosed.
Do you consider Perialis to be a top-tier brand?
I do not consider it to be a top-tier brand, but not everything can be.
There's certainly a place for the mid-tier, and I think they actually do it quite well.
But that is a fair question.
So my question for you, Steve, first of all, do you own a tuxedo or if you need one, do you rent?
I do own a tuxedo.
And are you bow-tie or a regular tie?
Real bow-tie.
Tying it, and my father taught me how to do that.
And, yeah, it's stuck.
Impressive.
I do not possess that skill.
Matt Argusinger, what do you got?
Yeah, my company is X-1, ticker X-O-N-E.
This is one of the newer 3-D printing companies.
They IPO earlier this year.
Really, they report earnings next week.
Interesting, they're not the typical 3-D printer.
They print things out of metal as opposed to sort of 3-D systems and strasus,
which are more focused on sort of plastic molding and things like that.
So, very interesting company.
Steve, question about X-1?
Well, I ever have an X-1 printer.
in my home, or will I contract that out to them?
You will definitely contract that out because I think their cheapest models like a million
dollars.
Well, not to say Steve, that, you don't have a million dollars.
I was going to say, if you know anything about Steve's success as an investor, that's, you know, I think.
Yeah.
Do you have a question for Steve?
Sure.
Okay, Steve, if you had to, if you had to mold something using a 3D printer, what would you do?
I would mold another one of myself.
Ah.
So I could be in two places at once and get more done.
Two stees is better than one.
Wasn't there like a Michael Keaton movie about that one?
I mean, that could be really scary.
Multiplicity, I think.
If you just mold another printer and put them out of business?
Just keep producing for this.
Oh, man.
My brain just exploded.
Jason Mozer stock on your radar this week.
I know Maddie will like this one.
Boston beer, ticker S-A-M.
Craft brew sales in the United States continue to do well.
They've doubled, more than doubled since 2006,
while the overall beer market remains relatively flat, no pun intended, craft beer continues to pick up that market share.
And this is a very foolishly run company with founder and Chairman Jim Cook and CEO Martin Roper, ensuring that the business is run with a long-term perspective.
I think that they have some encouraging signs there with their little subsidiary in Alchemy and Science, developing new brews and partnerships.
It's a stock that never looks cheap.
And we said that two years ago when it was around $50 per share.
And now it's trading over $200 per share.
You got to get in it at some point.
I'm so thirsty right now.
Steve, a question about Boston beer?
Are you familiar with their commercials?
There's often a man with a very long, frightening red beer.
I've seen those, yes.
Have you seen thoughts about that man's beer?
I've just thought that it'd be a pretty cool job to be able at the end of the day
to sit back and drink the product that you've created.
So the beard never really entered my thinking.
I'm going where I think you're going, Steve, which is I look at that beard and I just think,
I don't drink this product, but I just worry that your beard is in that product at some point.
Question for Steve?
Well, I kind of wonder why he hates beards, but I'm not going to go there.
Steve, you have a son.
I do, yep.
And how old is now?
About two?
Almost two in October.
Now, understanding the drinking age in this country at 21 years old.
But at what age do you think it's appropriate for a father to share his first beer with his son?
You know, vacation was on television last night.
There's a terrific scene.
So I think Rusty was around 13.
I'm going 13.
Nice.
Good talk, son.
Good talk, Rusty.
We got about 30 seconds left.
I'm going to hit Steve with a question, which one of our colleagues, Danny Shaw, hit me with, which is, is there any truth to the possibility that, Steve, you are actually doing
voiceover work for cricket, which is the prepaid cell phone plan.
Zero truth.
There's a doppelganger.
It's not me.
Someone printed Steve.
That's well.
It's not me.
It's a vocal doppelganger.
If you hear the radio commercial for cricket, all right.
Ron Gross, Matt Argusinger, Jason Moser.
Guys, thanks for being here.
Thanks, Chris.
Thank you.
That's going to do it for this week's show.
Our engineer, Steve Broido.
Our producer is Matt Greer.
I'm Chris Hale.
Thanks for listening.
We'll see you next week.
