Motley Fool Money - Oil Glut, Wind Freeze, and Energy Policy in the Year Ahead

Episode Date: December 30, 2025

Emily Flippen is joined by Jason Hall and Keith Speights to unpack the biggest energy headlines of the past week and what they could mean for energy investors heading into 2026. How geopolitics and sanctions may impact oil pricing in the year ahead Whether or not the “energy transition” is still moving forward despite policy headwinds How energy investors should be feeling heading into the New Year after a lackluster 2025 Companies discussed: FANG, EOG, XOM, CVX, PCCYF, SNPMF, ENB, ET, EPD, FLSR, SEDG, CWEN, BIP, BEP, NUE, CAT, D, EVRG, META, PSX Host: Emily Flippen, Jason Hall, Keith SpeightsProducer: Anand ChokkaveluEngineer: Bart Shannon Disclosure: Advertisements are sponsored content and provided for informational purposes only. The Motley Fool and its affiliates (collectively, “TMF”) do not endorse, recommend, or verify the accuracy or completeness of the statements made within advertisements. TMF is not involved in the offer, sale, or solicitation of any securities advertised herein and makes no representations regarding the suitability, or risks associated with any investment opportunity presented. Investors should conduct their own due diligence and consult with legal, tax, and financial advisors before making any investment decisions. TMF assumes no responsibility for any losses or damages arising from this advertisement. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit  ⁠megaphone.fm/adchoices Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Oil remains cheap, but politics are increasingly loud. We're breaking down the energy-related headlines investors may have missed in what 2026 can look like from here today on Motley Full Money. Today is Tuesday, December 30th. Welcome to Motley Full Money. I'm your host, Emily Flippen, and today I'm joined by full analyst Jason Hall and Key Spites to dig into the latest energy headlines, including the oversupply of oil, a pause in offshore wind energy projects, and how energy investors should be feeling heading into the new year. Now, over the past year, oil prices have continued a pretty substantial march down.

There's lots of, of course, different ways to measure oil prices. But in general, we can say prices are broadly down about 20 percent today than they were at this point last year, largely driven by concerns about oversupply. Obviously, production here in the United States, but also OPEC, adding some supply points over the course of the past year. Jason, I know this is your industry, and it seems like everyone is afraid of the oversupply of oil. I mean, might be part of the reason why energy stocks have broadly underperformed the market

2025, given the volatile nature of oil prices. How do you think investors should be thinking about the energy sector as an investment? I think it's a starting point. I follow the banking industry really close to, and the banking executive tells a story about one time being asked by his child, Dad, what's a banking crisis? And he says, oh, it's something that happens about once a decade. And in the oil industry, it's the same thing. What's an oil crisis? It's something that happens about, well, once every five years, actually. It tends to happen more often. Oil prices are actually down more than half from the peak just a few years ago. And this is a common refrain in the industry, in the

15 years that I followed it. There are always geopolitical factors that come into play, but it seems like the velocity of the global oil and even the gas prices has increased because the supply dynamics have really, really shifted. U.S. oil production peaked back in 1970. We passed that peak again in 2014. But again, think about that. From 1970s. to 2014 before we got back to those prior levels. So there were 40 years where oil production declined in the U.S. before bottoming in 2009. Then we saw the shale revolution starts to kick in. And it was 2014 when we finally returned back to those 1970 levels. And then we've hit a new record every single year. A lot of people don't realize, you know, there's the political

narrative that depending on where your new sources are, make it seem like the U.S. were not producing oil and it's impossible, but the reality is the U.S. is the largest oil producer in the world. We just consume a lot more than we produce, and there's a lot of the mechanics of the way oil is refined because we bring so much oil in that means we rely on those imports, especially East Coast refiners rely on those imports because that's what their refineries are set up to produce. All oil isn't the same, like the light, sweet crude coming out of Texas, all those Gulf Coast refineries refine that. But if you're at East Coast refinery,

you're probably taking sour crude from the Middle East or Venezuela, foreshadowing. Those facilities are built to be able to produce. Now, here's the thing. As scary as all that sounds with these geopolitical factors and the reality of the pressures of OPEC and things that are going on with Russia affecting the market, most U.S. producers, they can make money at $50 oil.

We're at about 60 today. So the industry is fine. We could even drop to 40. And the vast majority of those producers, they could cover their production costs and even fund CAPEX, which is really important for shale because of the decline curves that we'll talk about here. Those decline curves are actually really interesting. Those dynamics with those wells, they drop a lot of production off after the first year. It means that these U.S. producers, if we do have oversupply, they actually have a good ability to kind of bring their expenses down by just letting the wells decline. So some interesting dynamics that are favorable in ways for the U.S. producers. But again, what it gets back to is the fact that we just need oil from other parts of the world to feed those refineries. Now, there's your oil markets 101. Okay? So that's kind of the background of what's going on. How do we think about it as investors as a starting point companies like Diamondback Energy, ticker Fang, F-A-N-G, E-O-G resources, that's the ticker E-O-G. These are independent oil producers.

These are the companies a lot of people get interested in when oil prices are down that are looking for an opportunity. They're just super leveraged to oil prices because they make their money producing and selling oil, right? Now, here's the thing. Let's talk about the dynamics again of the pricing. 2022, early 2020, oil prices were above $120 a barrel. They're down 55% since then. EOG and Diamondback earnings are down about 37%, 41% since then. So that demonstrates, you know, they're pretty good operators. Their earnings are down, but they're They're not down as much as oil prices are. So that's positive, right?

Now, their stock prices are down about 29%. So the market recognizes, hey, these are pretty good businesses. Now, they trade for 11 times trailing earnings. Say all that, it's like, oh, wow. Value investor, me, is getting really, really interested in here. Guys, you ever heard about a value trap? This is what got sprung on investors about a decade ago. They're cheap for a reason.

Back in 2015, OPEC and Russia launched this massive global trade war and flooded the world with oil. Guess what? It happened at the same time. Shale was ramping up. I talked about those record levels returning to 1970 levels. That happened right when our global competitors

flooded the market with oil. Oil fell from 115 a barrel in the summer of 2014 to less than 30 a year and a half later. Didn't get back above 60 until late 2017. For three years, three years, oil averaged less than $50 a barrel.

That's another $10. low today's prices. The point is that today's prices look really, really cheap, and the businesses are built to be able to function perfectly well in them. But again, the value trap that gets sprung is the global supply fundamentals don't look great. OPEC is suggesting, you know, the threat of a lower for longer narrative that could play out. Again, I think the prices look good, but they could get a lot worse. Besides embracing volatility, there's not a lot of traits of rule breaker or stocks that apply to these sorts of businesses. You have to be very disciplined. You need to know the markets, and you need to be willing to hold through some ugly to get to the pretty on the other

side of it. Even like ExxonMobil, these big, giant companies, they can be good dividend players, dividend growers. There's no top dogs. There's no first movers. There's no brand leaders. You just have to be disciplined on cost, and you have to write out those commodity prices. I feel slightly less bad about dragging my feet as it applies to oil investments now. After hearing that, Jason, although it does sound like an interesting industry. Keith, as we wrap up this segment here, I mean, no conversation about oil is complete without discussing what we're seeing with Venezuela right now, given that the situation has escalated so quickly. Just as past week, Reuters is reporting that oil loading has slowed down with tankers in the region after some geopolitical conflict with the United States. Now, I understand that chances are this won't cause like a massive immediate disruption.

oil production still exists. It just depends on where it's going. But all of these things do drive oil prices to Jason's earlier point, and they're critical inputs for businesses across the world. So anything investors should be making up the headlines today as it applies to Venezuela or second order impacts. Yeah, Emily, I think it's first, it's important to keep in mind that only a small percentage of U.S. oil is imported from Venezuela. It's around three or four percent. Now, there are certain regions in the country that have higher percentages. Jason mentioned the East Coast is one example, but overall, we're talking about three, four percent. My hunch, though, is that an escalated conflict in Venezuela could still temporarily impact oil prices in the U.S.,

but not because of a significant change in the actual supply demand picture, but more than anything, just the psychological impact of it. But that said, there are some stocks that could be negatively impacted by an escalation in Venezuela. A Chevron is a great example. Chevron could really feel the pain from an escalated conflict because it's a lot of. the only major foreign oil company still operating in Venezuela. So that's a stock that could take a head, although, you know, Chevron's such a huge player. I don't think it's going to just, you know, cause the stock to tank. Other countries such as China and India depend much more heavily on Venezuelan oil than the U.S. does. So with the potential for further escalation of the conflict

in Venezuela, I'd be especially leery of investing some of the Chinese stocks, especially some of the oil stocks that trade over the counter in the U.S., like PetroChina, ticker there, an over-the-counter ticker of PCCYF and Sinopac, ticker there is an over-the-counter S-NPMF. Investors seeking opportunities to potentially profit from a potential escalation of the conflict in Venezuela have at least two viable alternatives in my view. One is to invest in the stocks of gold miners, such as Newmont, there's NEM. Gold prices usually rise when geopolitical uncertainty increases. And so you could see, even though they've had a great year in 2025, I think it's, You can see some of the gold stocks actually go even higher in 2026 as a result of all of this.

Another option for investors is to take a look at North American midstream energy leaders. A good example would be Enbridge, ticker is ENB or enterprise products partners. There's EPD or maybe energy transfer. Ticker there's E.T. The U.S. now ranks as the second largest oil exporter in the world behind Saudi Arabia, even though we still do import some oil because of some of the dynamics. Jason mentioned with the refineries. Canada ranks us the fourth largest oil exporter. So an expanded conflict in Venezuela could drive higher demand for North American oil, and that cruise is going to

flow through thousands of miles of pipelines operated by some of these top midstream companies. Lots of good opportunities for investors who are looking to play the energy, but one to do so wisely avoiding some of the conflict there with Venezuela. Up next, we're diving into renewables and how policy risk has colored performance there. Stick with us. The old adage goes, it isn't what you say, it's how you say it, because to truly make an impact, you need to set an example and take the lead. You have to adapt to whatever comes your way. When you're that driven, you drive an equally determined vehicle, the Range Rover Sport. The Range Rover Sport blends power, poise, and performance. Its design is distinctly British and free from unnecessary details, allowing its raw agility to shine through. It combines a dynamic sporting personality with elegance to deliver a truly instinctive drive.

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which is causing fear and some confusion amongst developers and utilities that were tied to those wind projects. But taking a step back, this is really just fitting the broader narrative that I think we've seen over the course of the past year, which is that renewable energy and the transition towards it has taken a bit of a step back. Jason, I want to start with you. Given the policy risks that exist for renewable energy stocks, do you think that these stocks are still worth investing in? Like, is that transition to green energy happening still? And if so, is it a feasible way to play despite the headwinds? As U.S.-centric investors, we have a pretty myopic view of renewables, and it's a big global opportunity. And despite the things that are

happening in the U.S., there's still a massive, massive opportunity. Renewables were the largest source of new energy brought online in 2025. And they were the largest source of new energy brought online in 2024, right? So it continues apace. Now, the catch is American and U.S.-based investors is, where's the opportunity? How do you leverage it and make money and avoid losses? And a couple of things. I think the first thing is, like, there's the misnomer about oil supply I talked about before. I think there's a misunderstanding about the technical realities of investing in renewable stocks, too. We think of these as high-tech, innovative companies, right? Really attractive to, like, rule breaker style of investing. Guys, these are still commodity businesses.

They still live and die on selling electrons, right? So it's all about the cost per unit is still so critically important. Motes are very rare. For every first solar that's had a great technology, like their thin film panels that just are incredibly reliable, and utility scale developers love them, there's a dozen commodity panel makers that are just driving down prices. So it's that race to the bottom. This is carried over to like in phase and solar edge, which for every moat that they might have in terms of like their ecosystem for residential users, again, it's the cost per watt continues to go down. We saw the Trump administration pulled the, working with Congress, pulled all of the federal incentives for renewables that expire. In a couple of days,

actually, they're going to expire. But there's other factors that have been at play for a long time. The bigger factor, if we go back to interest rate skyrocketing back in 2023, that kill residential solar because it's the funding mechanisms that matter more than anything. As we get onto the other side of what's going on there, we saw the bottom in 2024. And this going to be a really good year for residential solar, actually. And it was a good year before the tax incentives were canceled. That's kind of speeding it up. But why is that happening? Interest rates have come down. That's a good thing. Also, energy costs have skyrocketed. Since 2019, utility costs are up like 40 percent in the U.S. Since 2013, transmission costs have doubled,

right? So all of those things are kind of coming into play. And I think the dynamics put companies like EnF, ticker E-N-P-H, Solar Edge, S-E-D-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E. So-E-D-A. So-D-A. So, so all of those things are kind of coming into play. And I think the dynamics, in relatively good positions from a financial perspective. Now, there's a little bit more, I think, is important to think about, too. The renewable energy is not just bigger than the U.S., but it's also bigger than residential solar. There's the big companies like Clearway Energy, ticker CWEN, Brookfield Renewable, ticker BEP, Brookfield Infrastructure, BIP. These are the big companies that develop, invest in, and operate the utility scale, these big, big projects.

When costs are lower, that's really really. really good for them because they're the buyers, right? So they can take advantage of those opportunities during the downturns. And clearly, William Brookfield both have a knack of being savvy buyers in tough times. They have capital when others need a lifeline. And we could see them take advantage of those opportunities in the months to come. That's one of the benefits of being a well-capitalized player in an industry that isn't going anywhere when the industry is down. Typically, the leaders just further their advances. But, Keith, renewable energy projects were pitched initially as one of the big inputs that

drive energy growth to meet soaring demand from AI data centers. But it seems like that's changing. I mean, just this month, the PALF has to permitting reform bill aimed at approving more big infrastructure, though it looks to speed up energy and infrastructure broadly, as opposed to just clean energy. Are there any businesses that you think are net beneficiaries from this bill should it pass in the Senate? Big emphasis on should.

We don't know if it's going to. Right. Yeah. I do like some of the picks and shovel stocks. that could benefit from greater spending on energy infrastructure. For example, New Corps could be a big winner as the demand for steel increases. Another likely beneficiary, in my view, is Caterpillar, ticker there's CAT. New Corps is, by the way, as NUE.

Any major infrastructure build-out is going to probably require heavy machinery, construction equipment, that would likely translate to higher revenue for Caterpillar. Big utility companies would also be helped by a significant reduction in red tape related to capital projects. Dominion Energy, ticker there's D, and Evergy, ticker there's EVRG, are two names I like in this space. Dominion is headquartered in Virginia, close to you, Emily, which is basically the data center capital of the world. There's so many data centers being built in northern Virginia especially. Evergy is not as well known, but it provides power in Kansas and Missouri, and both of those states offer tax incentives for data centers. As a result, companies such as Meta Platforms, Tigger there, by the way, is META.

they're building data centers in the region, so Evergy is benefiting from that. I hadn't even heard about Evergy before you mentioned that, so certainly wanted to dig into more. But coming up next, we're going to put you on the spot again, Keith and Jason, to get even more stock ideas from both by reflecting on the past sector performance and whether or not energy stocks are still poised for a comeback in 2026. We'll be back soon. These days, I'm all about quality over quantity, especially in my closet.

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Emily, I expect to increase my positions in pipeline operators, midstream companies such as energy transfer, and enterprise products partners. I've mentioned both of those companies already. As I mentioned earlier, these companies could benefit from a potential escalation of the conflict in Venezuela. Whether or not that happens, we don't know. But they could also be helped if the Senate passes the Speed Act, which would discuss, which would reform permitting for infrastructure projects. More importantly, though, these pipeline companies profit from the continued surge in data center construction and the shift from coal-fueled power plants to natural gas. I could also maybe consider adding more shares of renewable energy stocks. I already own Brookfield Renewable, which is a stock Jason mentioned and

Clearway Energy I own. I would especially look at maybe buying more of those stocks if valuations become even more attractive. Now, admittedly, the dynamics for renewable energy in the U.S. Arn. is encouraging now as they were a few years ago, and Jason talked about that. But I still believe that all of the above is the best strategy for U.S. energy and for any country's energy. So that means more rather than less renewable energy over the long term. Well, for end phases sake, I hope that is the case. And Jason, you know, when you look at it, how do you think an investor should manage their energy investments, given the lack of predictability we have in the year ahead, both in terms of obviously supply and demand, but also, of course, geopolitics?

I think it starts and ends with companies that have really good cost controls and cost advantages because this is a commodity industry at the bottom line. And that's the one reason why I think I've been early on In-phase. That means I've been wrong so far. Hey, I'm right there with you. The bottom line is that it's a company that is continued to generate cash flow, even through a brutal, brutal period. It's a U.S.-based manufacturer and has international manufacturing with his contract relationships. Those are advantageous with the current administration. All of the above policy that Keith talked about, I think it's going to continue to play out.

I think starting there matters a lot. And one of the companies that I like in that regard on the oil and gas side is Philip 66, ticker PSX. It doesn't produce oil, but it refines it. It has real strong cost advantages as a refiner. It's very big in petrochemical manufacturing. manufacturing, has a lot of those midstream and storage assets that Keith talked about. It's a great dividend growth investment. And investors got a little bit of an opportunity to buy it at a pretty good price here recently when they announced their CAPEX plans for next year, which push the stock price down. It's a very well-run business. And I think it's largely immune from some of those long-term factors that affect these stocks in the short term. And it's built to be a big winner.

Awesome. Well, we learned a lot about oil, energy, renewables today, and more than enough interesting stocks for our investors and listeners to dig your teeth into. So Keith and Jason, thank you both so much for joining today. As always, people in the program may have interest in the stocks they talk about and the Motley Fool may have full more recommendations for or again, so don't buy ourselves stocks based solely on what you hear. All personal finance content follows the Molly Full editorial standards and is not approved by advertisers. Advertisements are sponsored content and provide for informational purposes only. To see our full advertising disclosure, please check out our show notes. For Jason Hall, Keith Spites, and the entire Motleyful Money team, I'm Emily Flippen. We'll see you tomorrow.