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It's the Motley Fool Money Radio show.
So joining me in studio this week from Million Dollar portfolio, Jason Moser and Matt Argusinger,
and from Motley Fool, Deep Value, Ron Gross. Good to see you, as always, gentlemen.
Hey, oh.
Earnings Paloza rolls on. We will get to the latest results. In fact, so many stories to get
to that we don't have a guess this week. So strap in, guys, you're in for the long haul.
No one told me about this. As always, we're going to give you an inside look at the stocks on our
radar, but we will begin with the big macro. 160,000 jobs added in April. The unemployment rate
remains unchanged at 5%. What do you think, Ron?
I don't want to be a Debbie Downer.
But you're going to be.
There's a series of reports here that I'm not in love with.
The unemployment picture is not improving. We're kind of stuck where we were. Unemployment
rate holding steady at 5%, which let's give the economy some credit. That's pretty good from
where we were years and years ago. GDP, pretty weak, only 0.5% growth in the first quarter.
That's anemic.
So, we've got economy that's really not growing. These employment numbers are not great.
We did see wages tick up a bit, which we're always happy to see. But I'm not loving where
we're going here. And I think there are a lot of folks that are not feeling this recovery that
we've experienced, really, over the last seven years. If you haven't been in the stock market,
you probably don't feel that things are that good. And now all of a sudden, it looks like things
are kind of going on the down part of the cycle. And people are saying, wait a minute.
Well, you know, if you do step back, though, and take the long view, I, even with
the latest numbers, I think we've averaged at least 200,000 jobs.
We have.
Every month for five years, which it doesn't really get much better than that. I think, even
if you go back to previous cycles, and I understand there's some definitely underlying
weakness, but that's pretty strong.
Now, let's step back and take an even bigger picture of you here for a second. If we think
about the way things have progressed here just in the last decade.
Are we going back to before the wheel was invented?
Well, somewhere in that.
Revolutionary time?
If we think about the advancements in technology, we talk about unemployment, we talk about wages.
We think about it from the consumer's perspective.
As technology continues to make our lives better and better, better, it brings the cost
of a lot of things down.
At the same time, it eliminates the need for a lot of that human capital out there.
So I think even bigger picture, the concern has to be, at some point, do we become so dependent
on technology, that this completely wipes out the need for human capital in a lot of these
job markets, at the same time bringing down wages. I mean, if you look at things like
Amazon's robots running their warehouses, for example, online banking, all of these kinds
of things, just a little piecemeal of time there, but over the course of the coming decade
and further, do we need to look at sort of a new normal for unemployment, either higher unemployment
numbers or just wages that get kind of stuck?
I was listening to a sports podcast that I love to listen to, and the host actually said, his son asked him if he could go to basketball camp this summer.
And his dad said, you can go to basketball camp, but I'm also going to send you to coding camp.
Smart.
You know, that is really what students need to be learning in this new economy.
Agreed. And I'm okay with 5% unemployment. That's a pretty good number. The U-6, the broader measures at 9.7, still not too bad.
It's the GDP numbers that are more concerning to me. Zero interest rates for long.
long, long period of time, just to get us where we are today, there's not a lot of strings
you continue to pull if economic growth continues to go down. Some countries have gone
to negative interest rates. Go figure that. So that's what concerns me.
Safe to assume that we're not going to be having a rate hike in June as many previously
thought we would. I think rates are going to stay put for quite some time.
All right. Let's get to some of the earnings news of the week. Tesla Motors lost money
in the first quarter, but that's not surprising. What was surprising was the company moving
up its production target of delivering 500,000 vehicles by two years. Maddie, they're delivering
about, they're on pace to deliver about 50,000 this year. So by 2018, they're going to deliver
10 times the number of vehicles?
What's 10x between friends, Chris? I thought Elon Musk on the shareholder letter actually
had the ultimate understatement. He said, you know, increasing production five-fold over the
next two years will be challenging and will require some additional capital.
Yes, it will definitely require additional capital.
It will require, I think, Tesla's becoming the best manufacturer on Earth, which is what
he actually said on the conference call.
He said, you know, that's what we're aiming to do, and that's really the only way we'll
able to get to some kind of number like that.
I mean, they're really hoping by the end of the second quarter to be at a rate of 2,000 units
per week.
Now, that would put them on an annual basis at about 100,000, like exiting the year.
So it is, they're ramping up very fast, but getting to 500,000 is going to be a lot.
going to take quite a lot. They have the Gigafactory coming online later this year. That's
ahead of schedule. But there's now doubt in my mind that they're going to have to raise a lot
more capital. Don't get me wrong. The aspiration to be the greatest manufacturer on Earth
is a wonderful one. But the clock is now ticking, and it's set for two years earlier than
it was before. So it's not just, we want to be the best manufacturer. It's we want to be the
best manufacturer in the next two years. Well, not only that, I think it's also essentially being
what no manufacturing company has ever done in history. And that's, you know, I'm not one
to bet against Elon Musk, but that's going to be quite an achievement.
I think the real story here is the nonchalance in Chris's voice there when he's talking
about Tesla losing money. He's like, yeah, we knew that was coming. That's no big deal.
I mean, at some point, you got to put up or shut up, right?
Do they need to reach those production levels to justify the current value of the stock?
If they reach those production levels, let me tell you, I think the stock's actually
cheap.
So, I don't think they need to do that. What they need, the reason they need to hit that number
is because of the demand for the Model 3. If they have any hope, if you have any hope as a Model 3
buyer to get your car before 2018, they really almost have to hit those kind of production levels.
Price line put up some nice profits in the first quarter, but the company lowered guidance
for Q2 and shares down more than 7% this week. I feel like we've seen this movie before,
Jason, in terms of the guidance.
Yeah, and a bit of a CEO problem to just kind of act as the
cherry on top there. I think with price line, this is really one about what in the world
does the future hold for these guys versus the performance they logged this most recent
quarter because the performance this most recent quarter was really solid. I mean,
gross travel bookings were up 26 percent, and room nights booked jumped 31 percent. And
that is a pure demand indicator right there. I mean, that is a sign that the demand is
there. And they continue to grow that network out as really the largest provider. They
are notoriously pretty conservative on their guidance. So I think that has something to do
with this here. But then, I mean, the CEO issues that are plaguing them right now, that's
going to have to be resolved because this is a difficult industry really to maneuver.
There was a lot of negotiating that went on and building up this business. And so I think
that with Houston stepping down, they really, and they're going to take it slowly, but they
They really need to make sure that they find the right fit for the CEO to take this company
forward.
Even though a lot of the hard work is done, this is still a very difficult industry to maneuver,
because it does require constant attention, constant negotiation, and that that is going to be
key to really them being able to keep this thing growing.
I think shareholders should feel good about the fact that they did communicate.
They were very clear.
Yes, the CEO is gone.
Yes, we need a new one.
No, we are not going to rush this.
process.
No, and I think that's the way you have to look at that.
Because again, this is not just some business where anybody can get in there and fill his
shoes.
I mean, they really need to make sure they identify someone who's not only very proficient
with the market itself, but also has the inclination to stay there for many years to come
and maybe not sleep with someone who works there.
And Jason, I think you have a theorist who a good fit might be for that.
Who's on the short list?
Well, I mean, this is one.
You look at some of the smartest minds in this industry.
I think that Steve Koffer, the CEO at TripAdvisor, is arguably the smartest mind in this business.
And given what they're doing at TripAdvisor, which is kind of becoming more like a price line,
you could do worse.
I mean, if you put Price Line and TripAdvisor together, that would be a straight-up market leader
that would just, I mean, plague competitors for years and years to come.
Shares of Whole Foods up this week after second quarter profits came in higher than expected,
But same store sales were actually down. John Mackey, co-CEO, C.E., sits on the board of directors
here at the Motley Fool. I feel like this was a Roershack test kind of quarter. Depending
on what you feel about the company, you could find something that you liked or didn't like.
It's a competitive market out there, and they're really continuing to struggle. They're
2 percent traffic decline, almost a 1 percent basket size decline. They're attempting to discount
and use promotions to help the business. But they're struggling.
So they're really turning to this new 365 store chain concept to try to revive things.
So, you know, they had to cut full year guidance, sales and profits.
They did buy back a lot of stock.
They continue to do that.
I applaud that.
But times are tough.
They're struggling.
They give any color on when they're going to start rolling out the 365 stores and how quickly?
We'll see the first one this month in May.
They've signed 19 leases so far.
That's really probably just the very beginning.
I expect to see a lot of them. But they'll go slow, test it and see how it works. But I'm hopeful
that this will revive them. At least, at least, let's see how it goes, but I'm hopeful.
Whole Foods always earn this premium, I mean mega premium multiple in the market because
there was a lot of growth. They were doing something a little bit different. And we've
noted how over the past few years the competition is ratcheted up and more and more stores
are really offering all of the same kind of stuff. I can't help but wonder if this isn't a
kind of space that's going to go the way of your drugstores, like CBS and Walgreen,
right aid, maybe even to a lesser degree, where it becomes less really about where you get
it as far as the brand that you're buying it from, and more about just what's most convenient.
Is it easier for me to get it from store A on the way home or go a little bit out of my way
to store B? I think at the end of the day, when all things being equal here, it's a bit more
about convenience. And on that note, I do think it's important that Whole Foods is growing
out their relationship with Instacart for delivery and things like that. So we'll see more and
more of that stuff. I think as time goes on too.
I will say since the stock has been relatively weak, certainly over the last year down almost
40%, that if they can figure this out, the stock looks relatively inexpensive here, maybe
six or seven times EBITDA at the moment. I'm in a wait-and-see mode. I'm a current shareholder
now. I'm not adding. But the stock's not expensive, so it could be interesting.
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First quarter profits for Activision Blizzard were nearly double what Wall Street was expecting.
The video game maker also raised guidance for the current quarter.
Looking good, Maddie.
It is.
And I think it's time that we start talking about Activision Blizzard in terms of its audience size.
Because it's pretty impressive.
If you look at the monthly active users, which they've started disclosing for their brands,
up 10% to 55 million at Activision, of 23% to 26 million in Blizzard, and of course, King Digital,
of 3% sequentially there since they closed the acquisition of 463 million.
So you're talking about a company that has over 500 million active users.
That puts it just behind WeChat, YouTube, and Facebook in terms of audience size.
Oh, WeChat.
I didn't realize that.
Very popular.
They're very popular.
And CEO, Bobby Cotec, I thought he made a good point on the call.
He said, our audience spent 42 billion hours playing or watching our games in the past 12
months.
That's slightly more than people watch Netflix.
Wow.
So they're kind of talking a lot more about their audience at Activision.
And I think it speaks to just the popularity of interactive games, the continuing move
to mobile on games, but also just the digital sales of games.
If you go back even five years ago, most games.
gamers, the way you'd buy games, you'd go to Walmart or Game Stop, you'd spend $50, one game,
several weeks later you're done playing with it, you move on to the next game.
What's happened now is that the lives of these games and the revenue potential for these
games because of updates or because of map packs and extra things you can buy, now the
average revenue of a game might be $100 or $150, and it might last a year or two longer.
And so a lot of great things happening in the video game space in general.
Of course, Activision is the leader, and I didn't even talk about e-sports, which
Of course, is also a big future.
Remember years ago when the stock just could not break out of its range?
And we kept saying, they're putting up good numbers.
They're putting up good numbers.
Recurring revenue.
It's moved to digital.
It's all going to work.
It speaks to kind of holding on to companies that you believe in and that you really like
the model of.
And then the stock will come around eventually.
Yeah, exactly, Ron.
I think it's that perfect example of that coiled spring.
Companies fundamentally get stronger and stronger.
And eventually, the stock price just explodes higher.
Zillow's first quarter loss was bigger than expected, but the company raised guidance.
It must have been pretty rosy, Jason, because the stock is up nearly 10% this week.
Yeah.
I mean, to that point, I think at this stage in its life, Zillow is still a, it's primarily
a revenue story.
And so anytime you can see raised guidance like that, I think the market generally will
receive it well.
A very broad portfolio of brands now with Zillow, Trulia, Street Easy Hot Pads, and there probably
will be some more that come in there over the coming years as well.
They're focused on really four main priorities, growing their audience of users, which they
continue to do March traffic peaked at more than 166 million, growing their premier
agent business.
And you look at that segment, revenue grew 25 percent to 134.5 million for the quarter.
Interestingly enough, on this note, this part of the business, they're focusing on really more
the high performers of premier agents as opposed to trying to grow this just vast network
of agents, because I think not only do they want to be recognized as the place where you can
find anything real estate, but really the quality real estate information out there. So,
they're focused more on quality, less on volume there as far as the agents go. And that actually
is working out. I think that's a good long-term strategy. The emerging marketplaces, which
is a smaller part of the business, but mortgage, rental, they continue to add new tools there,
which continue to benefit the top line there. And then this is a company that really prides itself
on its culture and being a company that can attract and retain great talent, because ultimately
this is a tech company. And I truly believe that this is the new sort of direction. This
is the direction in the real estate market is going in most cases. And it's going to give
more information, it's going to give consumers more information, more access to that
information than ever before. So again, top line story, the top lines moving in the right
direction. I think eventually these guys pull back on spending a little bit. Profitability will really
accelerate and patient shareholders should be okay.
And I'll add, I think one thing going for them is that you do have this whole millennial
generation that just for many reasons that have not been able to purchase a home.
In fact, you do surveys, and it is a population, now the biggest population actually in
the country that, and they do really want to buy homes.
And I think that's a generation that kind of grew up on mobile, grew up on using
things like Zillow.
And so I think that just means home transactions, home buying and home selling is still going
to be tremendous in the years to come.
That feeds right into Zillow's strengths.
It's interesting.
My wife's a realtor, and so it's kind of a double-edged sword because it acts as a great way
to get business.
But sometimes you're fighting against the data that people are reading that isn't exactly accurate.
Everyone now thinks they're an expert.
The realtor has to come in and explain, let me explain the market to you, let me explain
why values may be not what you think they are.
So you sometimes have to fight against all that information that is flowing to people.
First quarter profit and revenue for CVS Health, coming in a little bit higher than
unexpected and the stock moving a little bit higher too, Ron.
Companies doing well, benefiting from all those target pharmacies they took on in the
acquisition of Omnicare. Same store sales are up 4%. Margines took a hit that what we
call reimbursement pressure continuing to weigh some of their product mix for kind of hurting
margins. So adjusted EPS was only up 4%. But pretty good. Guidance a bit weak, but reiterated
full year. So I would say everything's on track. Company
continues to execute well. Macondo Libre is the most popular e-commerce business in Latin
America. First quarter results were surprising, but in a good way, Maddie.
Surprising in a good way. It's tough to follow the top line and earnings results for this
company because the currencies they deal in in Latin America are so volatile against the U.S.
dollar. Three metrics I really like to use. If you look at registered users, those are
up 20 percent to 152 million. So they're by far the leader in e-commerce in the region, of course.
sold, which is kind of my proxy for revenue growth, up 39% to 38 million units. And then
transactions on Mercado Pega, which is their PayPal-like platform, up 86% to 27.5 million,
which gives you an idea of the velocity of transactions across Maca-Libre's platform.
I love this company. I think if you really want to play e-commerce in emerging markets,
this is probably your best bet.
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Chris Hill here in studio with Jason Moser, Matt Argusinger, and Ron Gross.
We'll get back to the news of the week.
week and a second, guys. But I want to talk for a minute, just a minute, about company guidance,
because we reference this all the time. It is always part of the story when it's earning season.
But I want to know how you guys use this as stock analysts. And, Maddie, I'll just start with you.
Well, I do take management guidance pretty seriously. I think when management sets expectations
for the year or beyond that, it's a way for me to gauge what I think the growth of the company could be.
And it gives me ways to determine whether management is able to control the destiny of the company
and whether they're able to reach goals.
What I don't take very seriously, of course, is street guidance you get from analysts.
Other than us.
Other than us.
And, you know, unfortunately, a lot of companies are really good at playing sort of the
earnings expectations management game, right?
They're great at underpromising and over delivering on quarterly earnings calls.
And so, for me, I don't know what the actual statistics are, but I feel like every time
I read an earnings release, you know, and you see the reaction, it's always, well, this
company beat by two cents or three cents, or they beat revenue expectations by, you
know, $10 million.
And it's no longer a surprise.
And what is surprising that the stock still reacts positively in general to that, when it's
really just all about a company managing expectations.
But Ron, when you, let's just take a new company.
If you start digging into a company and you buy the stock, is that management on a tighter
leash than a company that you've known for a while and a management team that you've known
for a while?
Because I'm assuming that it takes a little while to get a sense of how they are when it comes
to offering guidance and their vision for the near and long-term future.
That's fair.
Some companies, some management teams are better than others at issuing guidance.
And some industries lend itself to guidance better. Early stage technology, fast-growing
companies, it's very hard to nail that, even if you're there every day managing the business.
More stable, blue-chippy type companies, you can kind of nail that management guidance.
You can make it much tighter and not have to make as many revisions as you would with
like a high-tech company.
So I think if you're focusing on valuations and value, for example, like I do, it is helpful
to get management thoughts on where a company is going to be.
a year from now in terms of cash flow and profits. The quarterly guidance is a little too much
for me. It's a little too granular. They constantly have to update it. I would be fine. Let's
just stick for one year out. How does this year look like it's going to shape up that helps
me to inform my models and make a decision about a stock?
Are you the same way, Jason? If you could wave a magic wand, companies don't give quarterly
guidance anymore?
Yeah, I wouldn't have a problem with that. I mean, I tend to always pay attention to
what management says they're going to do. So that's, I care more about what management says
they're going to do versus what any Wall Street analysts ever imagines they might be able to do.
And I always just always kind of makes me chuckle businesses like TripAdvisor, for example,
where they don't really offer any guidance other than just maybe a range of sort of sales
growth that they're looking at. But we know very well that management there is geared
towards sort of three and five year timelines there. So it makes me chuckle sort of the
the audacity of Wall Street to sit there every quarter and say, oh, they missed analyst
estimates by this much money.
Well, those estimates are just arbitrary guesses on your part.
And so, yeah, to Ron's point, some companies lend themselves better than others to sort
of setting guidance.
But for me, really, the important part is that management is doing what they say they're going
to do.
If that's happening and you see the business continuing to perform fundamentally well, over time,
The stock market is going to recognize those good businesses. It's just a matter of us being
more patient.
We have to remember earnings per share numbers, which are, of course, usually the most prominent
part of the earnings release. It's what analysts usually zero in on and whether or not a company
missed or what they're guiding for in terms of EPS. Those numbers can be so manipulated.
I don't want to get in the weeds here, but the bottom line is that those numbers can be manipulated
in a way that really any company, most companies, especially financial companies or companies
that have abilities to do that can really report almost any number they want in terms
of earnings per share. And so just be very aware of that.
Something as simple as share of buybacks, for example. They always have that as being such
a great thing. Plenty of those statistics out there to prove that companies are pretty bad
at it, but that's one very simple way they can reduce that share account and therefore boost
earnings per share, which, hey, that looks great. Quarter, you beat the estimates there and
everything, but really is that a sign that your business is performing?
And I'll just wrap it up by saying, if you're a long-term buy-and-hold type of investor, you
can absolutely ignore the quarterly noise. And you probably can even ignore the annual noise, management
guidance or analyst guidance, as long as you feel the company is on track and building
and growing over time and management is making the right moves. The rest can get a little
bit too granular, it can be too noisy, can lead you to make poor decisions, buy and hold
good companies that are executing well.
You went in a slightly different direction.
I thought you were going to say you can ignore the quarterly guidance and you can ignore the
annual guidance as long as you keep listening to Motley Fullmont.
I thought that's what I meant to say.
I thought that's where you were going.
All right, let's get back to some of the news of the week.
Jason, you mentioned TripAdvisor.
Expenses in the second quarter rose more than 13 percent.
That hurt their profits and that hurt their stock a little bit this week.
Sure.
A very good example, again, of one where analysts set out all of these expectations.
based on zero guidance from TripAdvisor.
We know how TripAdvisor, how Stephen Koffer is running this business,
they're making this move to instant booking to make TripAdvisor,
not only the place where you get your information,
but the place where you can book your hotels and your attractions
and places you want to go after consuming all of that information.
They are focusing on sort of a four-phase plan here in this rollout.
They gain hotelier in OTA, online travel agency, partner adoption in 2015.
They've done that.
They've got a lot of hotels and relationship there with Priceline,
on that instant booking platform, execute the global product launch, check. That's happened now.
They're in the middle of really trying to perfect that experience and educate users.
That you can now actually go do that on TripAdvisor. You could book a hotel there.
And then after that, it's really, hey, let's continue to delight our users, show them the capability,
grow repeat purchases. That'll be something that happens a little bit further down the road.
But what this is all done, because there's a difference in the way the revenue is booked on TripAdvisor.
Now, it used to be something that was recognized whenever the click was made.
But now, if you're booking something on instant booking,
that revenue isn't recognized until the person actually makes the visit and stays at the hotel.
So it delays the revenue recognition a little bit out.
And that's why the top line is slowing down here in the front half of the year.
That will re-accelerate the back-hab of this year and back into 2017.
And, again, a great example of a business with a longer-term sort of mindset there.
And, again, there's nothing out there quite like TripAdvisor.
They have such a great environment there of content, pictures, reviews, opinions, and a wonderful
mobile presence as well.
So this is one we continue to be very enthusiastic about in a million-dollar portfolio, especially.
Did they have to go back and restate revenue because they kind of said, you know, we've been doing
this wrong, or was it just a change in policy for going forward?
No, it was a change in policy.
When they decided to go ahead and roll out instant booking, it was something they were
very clear with up front and saying, we've been growing our top line 20, 25.
5% here these past five years, you're going to see in the case of these next two years,
the revenue is going to slow down considerably because, number one, we're sort of changing
our tag here and moving in a new direction, but number two, it's delaying a lot of that
revenue out. So, you know, a couple of things that will accelerate this, creating awareness
that you can actually do this on TripAdvisor's platform, and then as the timing catches
up, and again, we should see more of that towards the back half of this year, definitely
into 2017.
Urban Life's first quarter profits came in higher than expected.
stock up 12% on Friday and Bill Ackman's billion dollar bet against this company really isn't
working out well. Stocks up 40% over the last year. There's two stories going on. There's
the activist component with Ackman attacking them using words like pyramid scheme. Those are big
words, right? And then there's, how's the company executing? And the company continues to put
up relatively decent numbers. Sales are up 11% if you exclude currency effects and they raise
guidance for the year. So they continue to do well. I think the stock is actually moving
on the news that they're in advanced talks with the FTC to settle some of these things that
perhaps Mr. Ackman was accusing them of. They've said that a fine could be as much as $200
million, which for a $6 billion company actually isn't that bad. So I probably think some
people kind of heaved a sigh of relief there and sent the stock up higher. But they said
There's a number of open issues with the FTC, a range of possible outcomes, including
potential litigation or perhaps a settlement. So there's a lot of open items here, but I think
people are saying, okay, you know, it looks like we're going to have a resolution here, and
then the stock will trade as the company executes.
This week, it became official. The big merger between Halliburton and Baker Hughes was called
off, but don't cry for Baker Hughes. They got a lovely parting gift in the form of a
three and a half billion dollar check. Boy, as breakup fees go, Jason, that is phenomenal for them.
And yet, both stocks down this week. I get why Halliburton is down because they've got to
write a big check. Is Baker Hughes down because people are looking at this company and thinking
they are just in a much more troubled state than Halliburton?
Well, I think it brings more uncertainty into the picture, which we know how the market
it reacts to uncertainty. A couple of things here. Halliburton's going to be just fine. They have
the financials to bear this. Though it does bring in a question, I think leadership, you have
to kind of wonder. I mean, did they maybe, were they entering this transaction, perhaps a little
overconfident, a little cocky? I don't know. I think it could be probably argued that you
could at least ask that question. If we go back in time, we find someone at Halliburton management
saying, oh yeah, go ahead. Add in a three and a half billion dollar break. This thing's
a lock. This thing's going through. No problem.
That's something worth at least looking into.
I mean, there's a lot of money that seems to be wasted in this industry.
For Baker Hughes, again, it brings some more uncertainty into the picture for them
because there are a number of different sort of strategic initiatives they need to sort of examine with the business,
particularly now that they're not going to be a part of something bigger.
But the interesting thing I think here, and actually we talk a lot about share buybacks
and really how so many companies do such a poor job, Adam.
This is an interesting situation because Baker,
Baker Hughes management is talking about wanting to return value to shareholders.
And with Baker Hughes, this is some found money, really, isn't it?
I mean, this is money that they didn't have to do anything for.
And they talked about using some of this cash to buy back shares.
In this case, I think this could work out pretty well, because most energy stocks and Baker
Hughes is no exception are in the tank right now.
And well, you want to buy back those shares when the market is really taking you to the
shed.
And so it could be argued that they are buying these shares back at an opportunistic time.
they have the financial resources to bear the storm.
And I think when all things are said and done, this could be actually a nice little
opportunity for Baker U.
shareholders if they can hang on.
In terms of Halliburton's case, I think if you asked Paul or us on the MDP team, we wanted
to see this merger go through because I think it created a lot of competitive advantages
for both companies as a combined company.
At the same time, though, any time I see a big acquisition or merger kind of unfold and
the company's allowed to be separate.
Generally, I don't feel too bad about that, because I think, especially when it's a big,
one like this, these acquisitions don't often create a lot of value down the road.
Companies are usually, over time, better off staying standalone.
Do you expect Halliburton to go shopping for a smaller acquisition?
Obviously, this was a much bigger one with Baker Hughes, but do you think that they're
sort of itching to buy something?
I think so.
I mean, if you saw the conference call that Halliburton did, it's remarkable that essentially
every oil and gas service company is losing money now.
And so you can imagine how that affects company like Halliburton or Baker Hughes or Shrumbull-L-A,
but imagine what's happening to the smaller players who don't have as many combat advantages
or the balance sheets.
So I think there's going to be room for Halliburton to probably make some smaller acquisitions,
especially during this still negative period in the cycle.
Yeah, I think this is probably a deal that was more important for Baker Hughes than
it was for Halibu's.
I think Baker Hughes really needed Halliburton more than the other way around, but at the end
of the day, the bolts will be okay.
Coming up, we'll give you an inside look at the stocks on our radar.
Stay right here. This is Motley Full Money.
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Welcome back to Motley Full Money, Chris Hill, here in studio with Jason Moser,
Matt Argusinger, and Ron Gross.
After years of poultry supply problems in China, KFC is starting to turn things around, guys.
Sales in China rose 12% in the first quarter of this year.
and now the company has unveiled a new offering, KFC nail polish.
Working with the good people at McCormick, the spice company that provides KFC's secret mix
of 11 herbs and spices, the nail polish comes in two flavors, original and hot and spicy.
And I say flavors because it's edible nail polish.
This might be the worst idea in the history of everything.
I'm studded.
So I would understand, like, scratch and sniff.
You're like on a cherry-scented.
Are you supposed to actually start sucking on your fingers and eat it?
You can.
And let me just play devil's advocate.
If you're the producers of this nail polish,
don't you want people to run out of nail polish as quickly as possible?
So it's like, instead of waiting for people to chip their nails,
it's like, no, just wear it.
And then at the end of the day, lick it off.
And then they're flying off the shelves.
This is the end of Western civilization?
I mean, as the father of daughters, there's more nail polish in my house than Nike's got sneakers.
So I don't know that this would be any different than any of the other stuff that they have in there.
It seems like it lasts about a day anyway.
But I really think this is interesting from the McCormick perspective, right?
I mean, are we talking about a new potential revenue here?
Can you get a side of fries like on your toenails?
McCormick has found away from your kitchen into your, you know, your bathroom.
room.
Well, I just thought of, but I just thought of this.
The reason I kind of like it, even though I'm a little speechless here, it's just the thought
of it.
But you know, the whole nail polish removal, chemical scent that invades my apartment, I'm sure
your guys' houses at least once or twice a month.
That kind of goes out the door, right?
Because essentially my wife is...
Yeah, maybe you're not really trying to pull this stuff off.
It just disappears after you're done looking.
I guess.
You know, I'm sure there's some upsides, although I was bouncing this idea off our colleague
Melissa Malinowski.
who heads up our office ops team here at the Motley Fool. And she was immediately horrified
by the idea and brought up something that I had not thought of, which is animals. Like,
if you have a dog or a cat and you're like, you're feeding them, like, what does this do
for them? Particularly if we're talking about the hot and spicy.
I have too. But if this catches on, if this does catch on, what's coming next?
Have brownie pizza? Do I need to state the obvious timing here? I mean, with Mother's Day, just a couple of
It takes the clock away here.
If any listeners want to test this out for us, drop us an email, radio at fool.com.
Let us know how it worked out.
Let's get to the stocks on our radar.
We'll bring in our man Steve Roydo from the other side of the glass.
Ron Gross, you up first.
What are you looking at this week?
Stevie, I'm really thinking about adding to my position in Apple.
The stock's down 25% over the year, last year.
I get that.
Concerns over China.
I understand that.
And really concerns, I think the overriding concern is.
is, is this company going to be able to continue to innovate? I think the answer is yes.
$11 billion in operating cash flow during the most recent quarter alone, $230 billion
of cash on the balance sheet. Now, the iPhone 7 and future iterations does need to be strong.
That's a given. But 10 times earnings, 2.4 percent yield. I think it's a bet worth taking.
Steve? Question about Apple?
What would make the iPhone 7 just knock your socks off? Is there anything they could
put on it, but would just make you go, this is it? Because it's a bit.
So ever since the first iPhone, it's incrementally.
He's got better.
The screen's gotten better.
It's got a camera on the other side.
It's cool, but, you know.
That's fair.
This will never happen, but I used to love the old Star Tech flip phones that, you know,
you could kind of feel like it was a real phone, like the Star Trek, but the Star Trek, but the Star Trek.
Oh.
Remember those?
If they made one with a flip-up, I'm in.
Retro.
It rhymes with Star Trek.
Jason Moser, what are you looking at?
Yeah, one I've talked about here before, wage works.
The sticker is W-A-G-E, and they're.
They provide consumer-directed benefit programs like flex-spending accounts, health reimbursement
arrangements, things like that, to employers.
So I like the value proposition there, helping employers save on the tax bill, helping employees
save on the tax bill, talking about companies that run their own show and sort of meet
their own expectations.
They met their own expectations that they set for themselves last quarter.
A couple of interesting catalysts here on health reform.
You see new healthcare coming in, and many will pay lower prices for higher deductible plans,
which means more out-of-pocket expenses, more incentive for them to participate in those plans.
And they just signed a really big deal with the US OPM that's going to bring in a number of
customers as well.
So, interesting, interesting stock.
I'm going to take a look at for NDP.
Steve, question about wage works?
With a company like this, do I, as a consumer have to lose for wage works to win?
Does it just higher fees?
And I'm like, oh, man, they're winning, and I'm losing.
See, Steve, I want win-win.
I think they're actually setting it up as a win-win, because you get to stash those dollars
away as pre-tax dollars. They're helping you save on your tax bill.
Maddie?
Well, I talked about Activision Blizzard earlier. I take her ATVI. Listen, we are close
to a watershed moment for e-sports, which is, for those who don't know, competitive video
gaming. And, you know, Activision's got the best games. They've got a massive audience.
They recently acquired Major League Gaming, which is one of the big E-sports leagues. Bobby
Kotick, the CEO, can't stop talking about it. I think it's a massive.
massive opportunity. Steve? My question is, when is Virtual Reality and Activision Blizzard synonymous?
That's going to take a little more time. At least five years, even longer. I just don't
think the technology or the costs are low enough to make it give it a mass audience just yet.
What do you want to add to your watch list, Steve?
You know, I've owned Activision Blizzard and I regret selling it, so I might add it back
to the watch list. It seems like it's done very well recently.
All right, Ron Gross, Jason Moser, Matt, Argusinger. Guys, thanks for being here.
Thanks, Chris. That's going to do it for this week's show. Our engineer is Steve Broido.
Our producer is Mac Greer.
I'm Chris Hill.
Thanks for listening.
We'll see you next week.
