Motley Fool Money - The Genius at Apple

Episode Date: October 11, 2019

Bed Bath & Beyond gets a boost from a new CEO. IAC unloads its stake in Match Group. Domino’s cools off on increased competition. Roku rises on a big investment. And Hooters’ parent company gets into the cancer drug development business. Motley Fool analysts Aaron Bush, Ron Gross, and Jason Moser discuss those stories and talk about the business ripple effects of the ongoing unrest in Hong Kong. Plus, bestselling author Leander Kahney shares some insights from his new book, Tim Cook: The Genius Who Took Apple to the Next Level. Thanks Netsuite. Get the FREE guide, “7 Key Strategies to Grow your Profits," at www.NetSuite.com/Fool. Thanks to Grammarly for supporting Motley Fool. For 20% off a Grammarly premium account, go to www.Grammarly.com/fool. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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today. That's why they call it money. The best thing. Global headquarters. This is Motley Full Money Radio show. I'm Chris Hill, joining me in studio this week, Senior analyst Jason Mozer, Aaron Bush, and Ron Gross. Good to see you, as always, gentlemen. How are you doing?

We've got the latest headlines from Wall Street. We'll talk with best-selling author Leander Keeney about Apple's CEO, Tim Cook. And as always, we'll give you an inside look at the stocks on our radar. But we begin overseas. The NBA is playing preseason games in China. And last week, Daryl Morey, the general manager of the Houston Rockets, tweeted support of anti-government protesters in Hong Kong. Suffice to say, this did not go over well with the Chinese government and state-run media.

The ripple effects of that one tweet are being felt not just in the business of professional basketball, but in the business world in general. And Aaron Bush, I'll start with you. As the NBA and its players and executives wrestle with the NBA. the extent to which they exercise free speech in and about China. It seems like over the past week, a lot of investors are discovering that the businesses they own shares of are engaged in various levels of self-censorship at the cost of doing business in China.

Right. This is a very big topic, and it's interesting when you think about it. The issue is being framed by the masses as something that's binary. Companies are either choosing to support democratic values or money. While there is some truth to that, these decisions are actually pretty complex, so all of these companies operate in China have to think through, because over the years, they've grown critically reliant on China in multiple ways. For example, most of Apple's supply chain is in China.

Disney has invested billions of dollars into parks. They have thousands of employees there. Tencent literally just made Activision Blizzard's last game. So saying no to China when they want you to act a certain way is more complicated than just money and how it would affect a shareholder or some rich person behind the scenes. If these companies were to pull out of China, pretty much every single stakeholder loses. Consumers lose, suppliers lose, employees, partners, shareholders. All of them have some downside here.

And so, yeah, we are seeing China take advantage of the fact that our companies have grown reliant on their citizens and their work, their technology. for us to run our business, and they are pressing on the free speech issue. And so far, a lot of companies are bending the knee. It seems like in cases like this, this exposes probably the downside of social media because everybody seems to now be a foreign policy expert when it comes to stuff like this. Terran's point, people like to make this out to be very binary. It is clearly the total opposite.

There's a lot of judgment that comes into play here. And I mean, we can use Apple as another example here in regard to a mapping app that they pulled off of their store due to some concerns there. There was credible information that Tim Cook cited that from the Hong Kong police and Apple users in Hong Kong that the app was being used to maliciously target officers for violence to victimize individuals. I mean, the bottom line is it was the potential, at least, was there for it, to harm people. So, to sit there and try to make it out to be binary, I think is incredibly naive. You can't sit there and hold this against a company or an entity for one particular decision, particularly when they are clearly exercising judgment in the matters. I mean, I look at a company like Apple. There are more companies in play here.

It just is a reminder that you can't look at these things and think it is one way or the other. I mean, it's a unique situation. It's a big world. There are a lot of different viewpoints. It's about figuring out a way to all kind of make it work together. Yeah, but at the end of the day, I do think that we are seeing that there is consequence and risk here for investors. It's sort of a shame that politics has to get in the way of business, because what our companies

want to do and what people in both these companies want to achieve is more alike than different, but it does seem like right now that politics is at the forefront of a lot of meaningful business decisions. All right, let's bring things closer to home. After five long years, Bed Bath & Beyond shareholders finally got a ray of hope this week in the form of a new CEO. Mark Tritten, currently the Executive Vice President and Chief Merchandising Officer at Target, will take up residence in the corner office next month and shares a Bed Bath and Beyond up 30%

this week, Ron. Yeah, Mr. Tritton has his work cut out for him, but I like this move quite a bit. years of industry experience. As you said, he got things really done at Target, responsible for store revamps, private label brands, product sourcing and design. Bedbath needs all of that. Company recently announced they'd be closing 60 stores, but they still have around a thousand stores. I think, and I've said this for quite a while, I think this company can make it, but they need to reduce their footprint, they need to declutter their stores. The stores don't need to be as big as they are. But I do think they can survive. They're still free cash flow

positive. They're not a money-losing organization, even with the results of late. But they've got a lot of work to do, because obviously in the world of Amazon and Target and all the other folks, it's a very competitive environment. Like you, I think they can make it, and I think Mark Tritton is the person to get it done. But I also think if he can't, then there's no good reason to keep this business afloat, not when there is increasing competition from, among other places, Triton's most, you know, his current place of employment target. Yeah, agree. There have been three activist investors that have pushed pretty hard here to both replace the board and get a new CEO in. So mission accomplished there, but now the

hard work really begins. And I think you'll start to see these activists really keep the pressure on rather than ease up now to make sure things move forward. And as you say, If they don't, then this company will be headed out. There's a fair amount of debt on the books here. I want to say it's close to $4 billion of debt. So they need to produce some cash flow to keep this business afloat. Let's see where it goes from here. Interactive Corp owns 80% of online dating company Match Group.

On Friday, IAC, announced it plans to spin off all those shares. And Jason, is it safe to assume they're going to make a tidy little profit off of this? Oh, yeah. They'll definitely realize some gains from the transaction. I think that really for investors, though, it's exciting because it gives you the opportunity now, it gives you the opportunity to own potentially two really good businesses. I mean, for a long time, you kind of look at Match or IAC and think, well, maybe I own one or the other, but perhaps not both because Match makes up such a big part of IAC's business.

But IAC generally speaking, I mean, this makes a lot of sense for them. This is an investment in their leadership and what you think they can do with their capital. And I mean, so far, shareholders have benefited quite nicely. The stock's up more than 260% over the last three years. IAC, most people may recognize Match.com. IAC also has majority interest in Angie Home Services, which is things like Angie's list, among others. And those are the two big revenue drivers for IAC. But IAC, they've stated very clearly, they're not in the consolidation business.

They're not really looking to become this big media conglomerate. They're more interested in finding new ways to invest their capital. Shareholders can certainly benefit from that along the way. One of the most recent investments they made, for example, they put $250 million into the car-sharing marketplace Turro. And I think that's something that has a lot of potential there. But again, I think this is one of those things. It was expected.

They talked about it in their most recent shareholder letter. They just weren't sure exactly when and how they were going to do it. I think that probably a divestment in and just, you know, they were going to do it. will be next. And then from there, again, it's just betting on leadership in understanding where they see the puck going, the investments they want to make so far. Their track record tells investors, you want to hang on to those shares. Right. And from the match perspective, I don't think it's that big of a deal what's going on here, but I think it is more good than bad. So match has been roped in with IAC for several

years now. And for most of that time, there wasn't much in terms of IAC forcing any behavior on match. But over the past year, due to their influence, they released a special dividend. It was $560 million, which to some people, I think it raised questions, because this is something that Match would not have done on its own. It had probably negative implications for the balance sheet and Matches other ways to reinvest. So it was very much a case of the parent company taking advantage of its successful subsidiary. And now Match will be free. of that. Shares of Domino's pizza up this week, despite the fact that third quarter profits and revenue both came in lower than expected. Domino's also cut revenue guidance.

Ron, I can't shake the feeling. This is a rock-solid business, but it really seems like things are slowing down. Yeah, and I was surprised to see the stock up, because they were hurt by growing competition from the folks like Uber Eats, Postmates Grub Hub. They had to replace their three-to-five-year forecast with a shorter-term outlook, which brought down revenue targets. So, things are not going as well as they had been. They've done a wonderful job over the last five to 10 years, though. Coming up, we've got a reverse merger that you are not going to believe, but we swear it's true. Stay right here. You're listening to Motley Fool Money.

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You've got nothing to lose. It's free. Go to NetSuite.com slash full. Now, on with the news. As always, people on the program may have interest in the stocks they talk about, and the Motley Fooler may have formal recommendations for or against. So don't buy or sell stocks based solely on what you hear. Welcome back to Motley Fool Money, Chris Hill, here in studio with Jason Moser, Aaron Bush,

and Ron Gross. Shares of Roku up 15% this week, in part because billionaire investor Ken Griffin has taken stake in the streaming TV business. Aaron, Roku is down from its highs last month, but over the past 12 months, this has been a great stock. Yeah, it's also been probably one of the most volatile stocks I've seen in a while, and I feel like how people in general feel about the company just has to do with when they started looking at it. So the stock got clobbered in late 2018, and then in the first half of this year,

it nearly quadrupled. Then it fell over 40 percent, and here we are rebounding again on not really much news this week. But when you look at the fundamentals of the business, I think the upward trajectory in general makes sense. Growth has a lot of the business. accelerated because consumers are highly engaged, because Roku has multiple monetization levers. Their platform business, which is their operating system that comes automatically in TVs, is scaling rapidly. They will one day have high margins. They continue to take market share. So I don't really think too much about these news items that ex-analysts upgraded this company, ex-fund, bought this company. I don't think that really matters. It doesn't have anything to do with

the business. But I think just because the same thing, I got hit so hard. People are clinging to the good news and a quick rebound. Shares of Helen of Troy hit an all-time high this week after second quarter profits and revenue came in higher than expected. They also raised guidance for the full fiscal year. Ron, Helen of Troy, not exactly a household name, but they make household products, beauty products, brands that people know. OXO brand, Braun, Vicks, Pert, Bedhead. It's a really well-run company. Sucks up 175% over the last five years. So this is a company that has been getting it done and continues to get done. Three main divisions, housewares up 22% this quarter, beauty up nine.

The weaknesses was in health and home, which was down 10%. But they came up against some really tough comps because last time this year, this quarter last year, it was very, very strong. But online now represents about a quarter of sales, so they know what they're doing from an Omni channel perspective as well. They raised guidance. earnings were up 13%. They continued to put up really great results. If you're Mark Tritton, getting ready to take over bedbath and beyond, maybe put in a phone call to the people running Helen of Troy and see how you can get your online sales moving higher.

Chanticleer Holdings is the parent company of a few fast-cassual restaurant chains. Most famously, Hooters. Four years ago, the stock went for $35 a share. Today, it trades for less than a dollar. But management has a plan, guys. Shanticleer Holdings announced it plans to merge. merge with Sonnet Botherapeutics. In a reverse merger, the restaurants will be spun off, and the resulting business, well, Jason, it'll be the business of developing cancer drugs, because if you can sell burgers, beer, and chicken wings, why not pivot to oncology? Well, extremely complimentary businesses, right? I mean, I think... What is this?

Michael Scott's heart stopped for a moment, thinking this might be the end of Hooters, but rejoice Hooters fans. It is not actually the end. of Hooters. And to be clear, Shanna Clear is a company that owns several franchises of Hooters. I mean, it is not the actual owner of the Hooters business itself. But to your point, they are strange bedfellows indeed, but really, this is all about the economics behind a reverse merger. And ultimately, it is a small private company merging into a, well, let's say a small public company now. It used to be a lot bigger. But yeah, the economics behind Chanticleer these days aren't so compelling. But there are some cost savings.

involved here where Sonnet will not have to necessarily deal with the process and the expensive compliance of becoming a public company. There's some tax savings that they'll be able to realize as well. I believe there is a New Jersey connection there. Both companies have a presence in New Jersey, and perhaps that's how leadership and board members came together to ultimately make this move. But to your point, it does seem very odd on the surface. Yeah, that's what I want to know, Ron.

Who was the person in the room who said, okay, I have an idea for us to cost-effectively become a public company, but stay with me, because this is going to get a little weird. These reverse mergers do happen. These companies often back into a public shell that doesn't have anything in it, except maybe a little bit of cash sometimes. So in this case, they'll create a public shell by spinning out the restaurants. Sonic can back in, become a public company, which is kind of good for a company. like a biotech company that needs to access the capital markets from time to time to continue

to raise cash. So they'll be public, and maybe that will help them to issue shares later on, assuming they're progressing with their business model. But you don't see this exact structure every day. Let's get to the stocks on our radar, and our man behind the glass, Dan Boyd, is going to hit you with a question. Ron Gross, you're up first. What are you looking at this week? I got Target, TGT. Digging in a bit more, even though the stock is up 70 percent this year, I think discounters like Target, Dollar General, even Walmart are well positioned. Last quarter was Target's best quarter performance in years.

Same-day fulfillment services are becoming an important part of the business. Digital sales up 34%. Online sales now account for more than half of total same-store sales. So I like what they're doing. Obviously, they just lost their chief merchandise officer, I've heard. But I think they're going to be okay. I think they're well positioned. Dan, question about Target?

Not really a question. Chris. I just got a clue run in on something. Every year, I think about where I'm going to go holiday shopping. I always choose not to go to Target because they are invariably the first holiday-themed commercial I see on TV every year. That usually counts them out for my Christmas and other holiday shopping. I'll put that down on my research.

Dan, not shopping. Jason Moser, what are you looking at? I'm taking a firm stance there, didn't he? That's great. Well, I mean, it's one that everybody's heard. heard of Lynn Blad Expeditions, Chris, ticker L-I-N-D. What? I'm sorry.

There may be a first for Molly Full Money, but I'm going to tell you, this is actually a very cool company that provide expedition cruising and adventure travel services. So if you're looking to go somewhere like, let's say, Alaska or Antarctica, or perhaps the Amazon, or any other number of out-there places, Lindblad is a company with a A. No, but it doesn't hurt the cause, Ron. have a strategic alliance with National Geographic, which features co-branding and selling, curating content, which I think really only helps their cause, given the nature of National Geographic's

business, and that is contracted through 2025. Founder and CEO Sven Olaf Lindblad owns 25% of the company. Inside ownership is just under 40%. And while it's admittedly a niche audience, it's still a big market opportunity. Dan, question about Lindblad Expeditions? Jason, you staying on the ship, Are you going to head off on some excursions when you are on a Lindblad cruise? Oh man, I got to go explore, baby. Aaron Bush, what are you looking at? I'm looking at another household name, Z-scaler. Maybe I brought this up before.

If you think about the technology behind work, it's increasingly cloud-based, increasingly mobile-based, and most legacy cybersecurity companies have not been able to adapt well. So Z-Skeller has built a native cloud-based, mobile-based cybersecurity product that's not been able to adapt well. cybersecurity product that has made a lot of old systems like firewalls and VPNs completely obsolete, growing fast, high insider ownership. Stocks fallen recently. I like it. And the ticker? ZS.

Dan? So when I hear Z-scaler, I think of a fancy fish scaler and not cybersecurity. But, hey, thanks, Aaron. Is there a question in there? Three stocks, Dan? You got one you want to add to your watch list? I'm with my man, J-Mo, and I'm taking Lynn Blad. Ryan Gross, Jason Moser, Aaron Bush.

Thanks for being here. Thanks for being here. Up next, a conversation with bestselling author, Leander Caney, about Apple CEO, Tim Cook. Stay right here. You're listening to Motley Fool Money. I'm Chris Hill. Leander Caney is the author of several New York Times bestsellers. His latest is Tim Cook, the genius who took Apple to the next level.

Leander joins me now from San Francisco. Thanks for being here. Oh, you're welcome. Thank you for having me. There are a bunch of things in the book I want to get to, particularly Tim Cook's career before Apple and his rise to being CEO, but I want to start with his relationship with the President of the United States. And this begins in late 2016 after Donald Trump has been elected, but before he took the oath

of office. Tim Cook is part of a group of tech CEOs that meet with him at Trump Tower. A little surprising because during the election, Cook supported Hillary Clinton and some of his own employees questioned why he would go to a meeting with Trump. And Tim Cook wrote an internal message to Apple employees and said, I've never found being on the sideline a successful place to be. The way that you influence these issues is to be in the arena. It is natural to compare a CEO to his or her predecessor, particularly so when that predecessor happens to be Steve Jobs. But I'm curious, are you at all surprised at how

adept Tim Cook appears to be at the art of politics, because for all of Steve Jobs' talent and skill, it's hard for me to picture him doing this as effectively as Tim Cook seems to be. I absolutely agree. Yeah, that's totally very true. I think Jobs is irascible, the white word. He's a bit too arsable, I think, to play politics. And Tim Cook, I think, definitely is a politician at heart. He knows how to get along with... people that he probably wouldn't normally get along with. And I think that's the case with President Trump. I think he seems, you know, I don't think it's a natural alliance, but it's an expedient one. And I think that, you know, he's done it very, very well. He hasn't, he doesn't seem to have

any pushback from his own employees, which hasn't been the case with some other companies. And, you know, they've been protests inside Google and inside Microsoft for some of their policies and some of the people that they're working with that their employees don't like. Apple seems to have scared at that, or Tim Cook seems to have scared at that. And he seems to be keeping President Trump happy, too. So I think he seems to be very adeptive. Let's get to your book. Tim Cook grew up in Alabama.

His dad worked in a shipyard. His mom worked at a local pharmacy. How did his family and growing up in the South helped to shape his worldview? It turned him into a lefty, I think. It's kind of funny. It has a lot, I think, to do with him. being gay too. You know, I think he was an outsider in growing up in Alabama, but he kept that, you know, again, like, you know, almost a similar situation with the president. He kept it

very quiet. He was in the closet. He didn't come out as gay, but it must have affected his worldview. And I think he talked at one time in a speech about coming across a, the clan burning a cross on one of the neighbor's lawns when he was out running his bike late one night, and how he shouted at them to stop, and one of them raised his hood, and it was a local pastor, a local deacon, not the church that he went to, but it's one of his neighbors. And he said a very profound effect on his worldview, and it instilled in him this desire to use commerce, companies, businesses, enterprises as a force for change. And this has definitely been his, defined his tenure for the last several years at Apple since he took over from Steve Jobs, is using Apple, the company, to advance a progressive agenda in terms of the environment, in terms of inclusion and the diversity, and things like that.

And this comes from his childhood in Alabama, and the things that he saw, the inequality, the struggle, I think, and his desire to want to change that. After college, he goes to work for IBM for 12 years. Interesting in part, because IBM is, in some ways, considering they're both large tech companies, in some ways the antithesis of Apple, particularly at that point in time. How did his work at IBM inform his experience at Apple? Well, that's where he learned his trade. That's where he learned how to be this incredible, incredibly effective operations, massive operations. A master of operations. And IBM at the time was a pioneer of what they called just in time manufacturing, which was taken from the car industry where the companies would not build,

they more or less built computers to order. And IBM was, this is new at the time, and IBM was definitely a pioneer of that. And it was extremely effective. And in contrast to how Apple at the time. Apple was, IBM was fine in all cylinders, but Apple was really in deep, deep trouble. This is just before Steve Jobs came back to take over the company, mainly because they were either making too many computers, and they were sitting in warehouses full of computers that nobody was buying, or they made too few. If they had a hit product, they couldn't keep up. They couldn't make them in time. And Tim Cook at IBM learned how to run factories to manage this really beautifully efficiently. And this is what Steve Jobs needed and wanted. So he recruited Tim Cook.

Actually, by this time, Cook had moved on to C. He spent some time at Compact and another company. But he recruited him to build this kind of system for Apple. And this is why they've been so successful, because it was, you know, he created this monster. Yeah. It's interesting in part because Tim Cook has this reputation, and it's probably well earned, of being a very good operator. the model of stability. And that's what's interesting to me anyway about his move to Apple. He joins Apple in 1998, which is pretty close to the bottom for that company's fortunes. And at the time, as you said, he's a VP at Compaq. He's got a good job at a stable company. He has friends

who are telling him not to go. Why do you think he made the leap anyway? Because Steve Jobs mesmerized him. He was in Steve Jobs' pocket in the first five minutes. or on board, you know, rather. He just, he was, he was seduced by jobs. And he felt that jobs was, you know, a legend, obviously, in Silicon Valley. And it was just a great opportunity. He brought into the vision. He felt like jobs that the company could be saved and that he could play a crucial role in that.

So he was on board, like almost immediately. And he's actually talked about this a couple of times and said that it wasn't a rational decision, you know, like rationally on paper, if he'd written out in a list, of pros and cons. I mean, there would be hardly any pros. It would just be a long list of cons. And like you said, you know, the company was nearly, it was at the bottom. It was about six months from bankruptcy. So they had, you know, they had a lot to do. But, you know, I think, you know, with the benefit of hindsight, it's obviously been super successful. It's been unbelievably successful. But yeah, at the time, it was a very, very risky move. But I think, you know, Jobs is very, very persuasive. But Jobs is also

very rational, too, I think, as well. I think that definitely appeals to. to Cook's character. I think he laid out a plan that was smart, that was rational, smart, and achievable. Before we get to Cook, assuming the job in the corner office, in terms of his relationship with Steve Jobs, what do you think Cook learned from Steve Jobs that he genuinely did not know, given all of his experience in the tech industry to that point? Well, I would say taking a risk. I think he learned how to take a risk from jobs. And I think, you know, going to work for Steve Jobs was his first, you know, risk that he took.

I think Cook is very, I don't know if cautious is the right word, but he's, he's, he's, what is, it makes him sound like he's, he's not willing to take risk, which he is, but he takes calculated risks. I think, you know, one of the things that defined Steve Jobs' career was this ability to bet the farm time and time again. Jobs took lots and lots of risks and almost went bankrupt and almost went out of business and various companies he had like Next, almost went down the pan. And I think that was thus defined, you know, sort of jobs's career, this ability to bet the farm, bet the company on one product after another. And I don't think Cook has that same character. I don't think Cook wants to do that, but I think he learned that from Jobs, the ability to step into the darkness and say, okay, let's just see how it goes. In August 2011, Tim Cook becomes CEO shortly thereafter Steve Jobs dies.

And I think it's worth remembering that there was genuine skepticism about Tim Cook. as the leader of this company, and not just because he was following a visionary like Steve Jobs. That's obviously an incredibly tough act to follow. But when you think about that point in time and you think about the skepticism of Tim Cook, is there anything that stands out to you as being completely warranted as a legitimate question or, on the flip side, something that was completely unfair? Well, I think the skepticism at the time was completely unfair. unfair. I think people had, the reaction, you know, when he was announced that he was going to take

over his CEO was, I think, one of sort of genuine shock and horror, it was like, almost everybody, I don't think anybody came out in Cook's Corner at that time. I don't think many, there weren't many people defending him. And that has a lot to do with him being a cipher. You know, people just didn't know about him. He'd been kept behind Apple's iron curtain for almost his entire career. I think he gave about three, maybe four interviews the entire time he was there. And they were very early on, and they were to like specialist trade publications, like one of them was called like, you know, a customer supply chain management magazine. So stuff like that, you know, it was very, very, he had no public face. And so people were saying, oh, Johnny Ive, who's the chief designer,

he should be the one to be the CEO. You know, he's obviously more creative, always creative as Steve Jobs. But I don't think, you know, what they didn't know is that, is that behind the, they don't know what Steve Jobs knew, which is that, you know, behind the scenes, Cook was extremely effective in all sorts of different ways. And in fact, Jobs had been grooming him for perhaps a decade to, as a possible CEO, successor candidate and be putting him in all these different positions so he could learn all these different parts of the business. So he had this reputation as being like a boring operations guy. But in fact, he'd run all kinds of things inside Apple. He'd run the Macintosh division.

he'd run hardware, he'd run the stores, he'd run sales for a long time. So he'd had a pretty good sort of across-the-board apprenticeship to be a potential successor to Jobs. And Jobs had set that up, but he didn't tell anybody. Jobs is very secretive. He operates on a need-to-no basis. So yeah, there was a lot of skepticism when he took over. And I think that came mostly from the fact that he just was not a not a known quantity. People dismissed him as a boring operations guy. And I think he's not a boring operations guy. He is quite a risk-taker. Look at it when he came out as gay.

That was something that he did not have to do. And yet, I think it sort of reset the public perception of him as somebody who is his own man. And if you look now, you know, seven years later, I mean, Apple is extraordinarily successful. It's much, much bigger than it was when jobs took over. And people are kind of dismissive of that and say, well, it has a lot to do with the momentum that jobs. up. That might have been true, I think, in the first couple of years. But now it's definitely Tim Cook's company. And it has been for quite a few years. The fact that it's firing on all cylinders, I think, should be, it's unfair to attribute that to Steve Jobs anymore.

This is Tim Cook and Tim Cook's doing. What are some areas that Apple might disrupt? We'll get into that next. So stay right here. This is Motley Full Money. All right. Before we get back to the interview, quick shout out to Gramerley. Gramerly is a communication tool that helps people improve their writing to be mistake-free, clear, and effective. They encourage everyone, even the best students and the top professionals to use Grammarly to do their best work and accomplish even more of their goals. They help people show their best self through writing.

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Go to Grammarly.com slash full and get 20% off your Grammarly premium account today. That's Gramerly.com slash full for 20% off your Gramerly. premium account. All right. Let's get back to Leander Caney. Welcome back to Motley Fool Money. Chris Hill in studio talking with bestselling author, Leander Caney. Apple was the first company to hit the $1 trillion mark in terms of market cap. And when you just think about the impact that the iPod and the iPhone have had on the music industry and the mobile phone industry, I mean, these are truly revolutionary products. So Apple has set the bar. are incredibly high. And yet, it's natural to ask the question, can this company continue to

innovate in the same way? You're someone who studies this company very closely. When we're looking at areas that Apple might disrupt, where should we be looking? Well, they have some secretive skunk work projects in behind the scenes. And one of the one of the biggest ones is the Apple Car, which is rumored to be Project Titan, it's known as, internally, and it's rumored to be an autonomous electric car. This has been just dating for several years already, and it could well be several years before we see it. But that, I think, has the potential to be an extremely disruptive product if they're successful in bringing that out. You know, I mean, autonomous cars could rewire everything from tourism to commuting, to travel,

to, you know, how people design cities, where they buy real estate. It would be an extremely disruptive product. So I will say about that. But I think, you know, more immediately, the Apple Watch, you know, is a pretty good example, I think, of, I think it's a huge, product. It's a massive hit product. It's much bigger than both the Mac and the iPad right now. It's much bigger than the iPod ever was. And it has a potential to open up this whole new category of, you know, computing, which is based on health and fitness, monitoring your body, telling you how what your body is up to, what you should be doing, when you should be standing, when you should be how you slept. It's like a little, you know, like at a hospital, one of those charts, the machines

they hook up to you, you know, that tells you your heartbeat and all your other vitals, but it's strapped to your wrist. And I think they're only just really getting started. I mean, there's rumours about adding senses to do blood sugar tracking. And of course, this would be hugely beneficial for people with diabetes. They potentially wouldn't have to prick themselves and measure their blood anymore. But it would also be useful to everybody, you know, for the entire population. I mean, if you get a war, if you read a donut and then you get a warning from your watch that your blood sugars, you know, spiking, it may create, you know, better behaviors for people to manage their diets and for dieting, for how they eat, how much they eat, when they eat.

And there's a potential to add a lot more senses, you know, all different kinds of health and fitness centers. Johnny I said to me once that, you know, who wouldn't want to wear, who wouldn't want to wear a device that might one day save your life. And we're already seeing reports of this, people with the heart rate, with the EKG, people finding out that they have undiagnosed heart conditions. And of course, there's small numbers now. But I think the Apple Watch is a great, great product, and I think it has huge potential. That's why I eat donuts, Leander. So my blood sugar will spike. That's why I eat them. I don't need a watch to tell me that.

I know. Who doesn't? I know exactly. I totally agree. Last thing, and then I'll let you go. It's worth remembering that Tim Cook was interim CEO at Apple a couple of times before he got the job full-time. So while there was skepticism about him being CEO, there was no surprise. Even when Steve Jobs was the CEO, there came a point in time when we all knew who was going to be next. Tim Cook is 58 years old. He appears to be in very good health, there is no reason to think he won't be CEO for the next 10 years. I am curious there, though. Is there any talk that you're aware of regarding who follows him? Who is Tim Cook's Tim Cook? Good question. Right. Yeah. Well, it seems to be his right-hand man

at the moment is Jeff Williams, who is a longtime operations executive, also worked at IBM, has been working with Tim Cook almost since the get-go. I think he joined a couple of years after Tim Cook, but has been one of his close colleagues through that whole period when Joe was CEO. And now it looks like he's being groomed to be the successor. He has moved on from operations, and now he's in charge of, well, in fact, the Apple Watch. He's the head of the Apple Watch. And in fact, I think he just got put in charge of all hardware. So he looks like is being trained to, you know, to one day possibly take over the CEO role. But it's an open question. You know, they're very, Apple's very, very secretive, and it doesn't drop any clues at all. I mean,

this has never been addressed publicly. It's just, you know, this is people speculating from reading the tea leaves and seeing what they're up to. But I think for sure, I mean, like a lot of people at the moment, and people are still skeptical of Tim Cook. I think which is kind of crazy, because I think he has a clear track record. And people are still skeptical. about him and say that he's ruining the company. I mean, you see this in comments all the time and on Twitter and, you know, all over the web. And people say that, you know, someone like Elon Musk should take over the company. They want to see someone like Elon Musk because he's kind of like Steve Jobs. He's brash and flashy and extremely ambitious and, you know, doing crazy

futuristic stuff. But I think he wouldn't be a good CEO for a company like Apple. I think someone like Tim Cookies and I think possibly someone like Jeff Williams is a good success to him too. The book is Tim Cook, The Genius Who Took Apple to the next level. It is available everywhere you find books. So get yourself a copy. Leander Candy, thank you so much for being here. You're very welcome. Thanks for having me. That's going to do it for this week's Motley Full Money.

Our engineer is Dan Boyd. Our producer is Matt Greer. I'm Chris Hill. Thanks for listening. We'll see you next week.