Motley Fool Money - We Love Cooling Inflation!

Episode Date: November 11, 2022

Several factors in the Big Macro pushed stocks higher at week's end. (0:30) Jason Moser and Ron Gross discuss: - How the Consumer Price Index report fueled an historic rise on Thursday - China's pote...ntial for pulling back Covid restrictions - The role layoffs will play in the coming months - Disney's parks division being the lone bright spot in an otherwise disappointing 4th-quarter report - The latest from The Trade Desk, Lyft, and Marqeta (19:15) Rachel Warren talks with Anjee Solanki, National Retail Director at Colliers, about the top retail trends this holiday season and how consumer spending continues to change. (32:10) Jason and Ron return to talk about - Carnival Cruise's intriguing strategy to battle rising food costs - Two stocks on their radar: Outset Medical and Titan International Stocks mentioned: META, RDFN, AAPL, DIS, TTD, LYFT, MQ, CCL, AMZN, TJX, DLTR, YUM, WMT, OM, TWI Host: Chris Hill Guests: Ron Gross, Jason Moser, Rachel Warren, Anjee Solanki Producer: Ricky Mulvey Engineers: Dan Boyd, Rick Engdahl Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:00:42 That's why they call it money. Full Global headquarters. This is Motley Fool Money Radio Show. I'm Chris Hill, joining me on the show. Motley Fool Senior Analysts, Jason Mozer, and Ron Gross. Good to see you, as always, gentlemen. Hey, hey, Chris. We've got the latest headlines from Wall Street.
Starting point is 00:01:21 We've got a closer look at retail trends heading into the holidays. And as always, we've got a couple of stocks on our. radar. But we begin with the big macro. On Thursday morning, the latest consumer price index report sent the stock market soaring. The S&P 500 rose 5.5%. The NASDAQ rose more than 7%, all because inflation rose just 0.4% in October, Ron, which was lower than economists were expecting. If you had told me at the time, it was going to be a report that was, you know, a little cooler than economists were expecting. I would have guessed the market would be up. I wouldn't have guessed this. Oh, boy, oh boy. If you didn't like Thursday, Chris, you weren't trying.
Starting point is 00:02:06 Because there was something for everyone across the board on Thursday. You know, this is a big sigh of relief rally, I think, perhaps indicating that inflation is moderating. Some of the things that factored into that better than expected report were a decline in used vehicle prices that had a relatively big impact. Apparel prices, medical care services also were lower. But there was offsets. Offsetting that were still higher fuel costs, and really more importantly, higher shelter costs, which make up about a third of the CPI index. That acceleration was fueled by the biggest jumping costs of hotel stays in more than a year. So that's important to note. It's really about hotels in this specific circumstance. One thing to note is I think we're seeing,
Starting point is 00:02:56 rent and housing costs come down. But there's a lag. And that's not going to show up in the data for a while. But when it does, I think you're going to start to see people even get more excited. So we got the better than expected print, as they say, on Wall Street. And Treasury yields fell sharply on the better than expected news. As I said, I think investors are hoping we're seeing peak inflation. And now they're waiting for what's called the Powell Pivot. It's when the Fed chairman will slow or stop the interest rate hike. I think we've still got a long way to get to the Fed's inflation target of 2%. So don't think the rate increases are going to stop anytime soon.
Starting point is 00:03:33 Futures tied to the Fed fund rates indicate an 80% probability of a 50% basis point hike in December. But I think there's hope that inflation's coming down. We can either avoid a recession or it will be mild, and that's why the markets rallied so much. I don't ever recall seeing an index up more than 7% in one day. Same. Although, Jason, I don't know about you, but why don't we wait for Jay Powell to actually pivot before we actually name something the Powell pivot?
Starting point is 00:04:03 But to Ron's point, I mean, you know, we got this report. Eyes go back to the Federal Reserve, don't they? I'm making a mental note here. I feel like after the show, we need to establish a Powell pivot Twitter feed because it's just too good. I mean, you can just go so many different directions with it. Listen, that was the headline we all wanted to see, right? I mean, inflation easing better than expected. The market's performance this week has been mind-bending at times.
Starting point is 00:04:33 And I think that's great. I think, you know, Ron made a lot of good points there in regard to potentially we're seeing inflation starting to ease in a more persistent fashion. You look at the prices that exclude food and energy, for example, right? that core inflation that policymakers see is more reflective of the trend. That was up just 0.3% from September versus an expectation of 0.5%. And we are seeing data from Zillow and CoreLogic that shows that rent prices are coming down. And even property management software, a company real page, they reported that apartment rents fell 0.6% in October from September. That's the
Starting point is 00:05:17 third largest drop. It's recorded since 2010. So those are also very encouraging signs. But, I mean, you look back in history here just a few months ago, right? I mean, in August, we had this same sort of thing play out, better than expected inflation. The market received the news very positively the following month. We kind of went back to inflation back on the rise. So I'm hopeful that this is, you know, the beginning of a more long-term trend. But I think you've got to kind of take it with a grain of salt, right? Agreed. I don't think any economic conversation or recession conversation is complete without talking about the labor markets, especially in this environment. Labor market remains strong. Unemployment is sitting at 3.7% only. That's pretty darn good, which also may be pretty darn bad,
Starting point is 00:06:09 depending on what your point of view is. But we do have some indication that it's softening. I think layoffs are certainly accelerating technology and financial sectors. I think we're seeing that. I feel like the cutting in the financial sector is more cyclical and typical, while the tech sector is really reacting to, I think, I'll use the word bubble, the bubble that occurred over the last few years and the over-hiring that resulted, and it's just necessary to pair that back as costs are too high and companies need to right-size their business a little bit to get their profitability where they wanted to be.
Starting point is 00:06:47 So a little bit additional softness in the labor market is probably necessary to get the Fed where they want to be. Well, and we saw signs of that already this week, right? We have meta-platforms starting to execute some layoffs, redfin as well. So it seems like, you know, and there's a crystal ball element to our conversation, but Ron, it does seem like over the next six to 12, months. This is something investors should be watching when it comes to specific companies, particularly the larger tech ones, isn't it? For sure. And we'll want to listen to guidance.
Starting point is 00:07:25 Our earnings estimates coming down, they're actually doing pretty well. I would have predicted that we would have seen the earnings come in a little weaker and guidance being a little weaker. I'm not seeing it as bad as I thought, which may bode well again for not having a deep recession. But we'll have to watch costs. I mean, the China news on Friday about their easing on some of the COVID restrictions is good. The Goldman Sachs described it as marginal, and it won't really amount to more than a fine-tuning. They really have to go further away from their COVID-Zero policy for sure to make a huge impact. But that may help with supply chain issues and some other issues as well with respect to costs.
Starting point is 00:08:10 But we'll have to watch individual companies. How is profitability looking? What does guidance look like? I'm glad you mentioned China because, Jason, for those who missed it, on Friday, China announced a pullback of some of the country's COVID restrictions, including one dealing with international flights to the point that Ron made with the reference to the Goldman report. There was not a specific timeline. So, you know, if you want to take a bearish view of this announcement, you can say, well, there weren't a lot of specifics. There wasn't a timeline. Let's wait and see. If you want to be a little bit more optimistic, you could look at the announcement from China and say,
Starting point is 00:08:50 well, this is really sort of the first indication of the central government moving away from that zero COVID policy. And I'm just thinking of all of the times over the last couple of earnings seasons that we've heard companies talk about inflation, supply chain, China on their conference calls. And I don't know, I'm, maybe I'm looking through rose-colored glasses, but I'm choosing to be a little bit more bullish on this China announcement. What about you? Well, I mean, I appreciate that perspective. I want to be more optimistic. And hopefully, again, maybe this is really the first sign, right? I mean, maybe they've kind of started to wake up to reality here and understand there are better ways to handle this, I think,
Starting point is 00:09:37 than adopting that zero COVID stance. And maybe the easing of these controls, maybe this is that first step. I'm not sold that it is. I think it's odd to see this news coming out as I think the country is dealing with its worst outbreak in more than six months. I don't know what ultimately changed there. And maybe it ultimately amounts to nothing. Maybe this is just kind of like a headline and that's really all.
Starting point is 00:10:07 But, I mean, I think you go back to pre-COVID. I mean, we were having this conversation regarding China and supply chains well before COVID. And that's what I encourage folks to remember, because, I mean, we had companies in 2018, 2019, really talking on earnings calls, looking for ways to diversify their supply chains away from China because we were having trade issues even back then. And it's a difficult country to predict, right? I mean, they kind of march to the beat of their own drum, so to speak. So I feel like if I'm a CEO of a company today, I mean, one of my top priorities would remain figuring out how to diversify my supply of chain away from China. Because, you know, either way, I've seen enough to know that I don't have any faith, really honestly, in what they may or may not do going forward, not just necessarily regarding COVID either, but anything else that comes down the pike. So, I mean, if I'm a CEO, I think you really need to focus on trying to diversify that supply chain away from China as much as possible.
Starting point is 00:11:11 You're seeing big company. I mean, Apple is even doing it. Really, they mentioned they're going to have some supply issues with their upper-tier iPhones because of the supply chain hangups in China. And we've already seen that they are making big efforts to move into India, for example, to produce more in India. And so I think that when you see even the largest companies in the world like Apple trying to do something like that, that's a real tell, right? I mean, it's going to take time for that to play out. It's going to take years for them to really appropriately diversify away. But I think we'll continue to see those conversations being had because I think it really does matter.
Starting point is 00:11:51 Earnings after the break, including entertainment media and the war on cash. So stay right here. You're listening to Motley Fool Money. Welcome back to Motley Full Money. Chris Hill here with Jason Moser and Ron Gross. On Wednesday, shares of Disney had their worst loss in 21 years. Fourth quarter profits were well below expectations, and the company warned about slowing growth for its Disney Plus streaming service. Ron, how warm is the seat that CEO Bob Chapec is currently sitting on? Getting warmer, Chris. I'm not going to lie. This one
Starting point is 00:12:31 made me wince a little bit. I've held this stock for 20 years. My family has. And that's a big move for a company like Disney, a stalwart like Disney. So, yeah, it was a bit of a shock. Disney Plus costs are ballooning or have ballooned. The media business was also weak. Some metrics to back some of this up. Disney Plus added 12 million net new accounts that did beat analyst predictions. Now that you have about 164 million subscribers, not bad at all. But the loss in the division surged to almost $1.5 billion more than double the year before due to heavy spending on content, marketing and technology, which, let's face it, is sometimes necessary when you have a new business that you're looking to get off the ground and grow significantly. But I think what the
Starting point is 00:13:21 investors and the markets are telling you is that perhaps was too aggressive because they were not expecting that kind of a loss. As you said, CEO Bob Chey Pick, who is a bit on the hot seat, said the streaming business has reached peak losses in the quarter. I don't know what that means, peak losses, but that's what he said. That doesn't sound good. That doesn't sound that good. But he said the business is still on track to reach profitability in fiscal 2024. Very important for us to watch that, to see if he sticks to that. Because if he doesn't, then the hot seat gets even hotter. They've got some changes coming. Price increases to some Disney Plus packages, a new ad-supported subscription tier taking place in December. Higher prices could back
Starting point is 00:14:03 fire, though. We'll need to watch that carefully. Management does have plans to make cuts to marketing and content budgets. I think that's necessary. The one bright spot was a 36% increase in revenue from theme parks where Chappick comes from. Disney said the full year results from the theme parks set all-time records for the company in both revenue and operating income. And as I said, the media division was weak. That's ABC ESPN, was a bit weak there. Overall, company-wide revenue up 9%. Adjusted earnings actually down 19%. Guidance was disappointing. 20 times forward earnings. I think earnings are going to actually get better, so it'll be even better than 20 times forward earnings. I'm not selling my shares at all. I'm going to let the company do what they do.
Starting point is 00:14:46 Third quarter revenue for the trade desk came in higher than expected, but guidance sent the stock lower this week. This was before the big rally on Thursday, Jason. So shares of the trade desk actually ended up in the positive territory this week. So put aside the, stock. How is the business of the trade desk doing? I think the business is doing great. I mean, these reports get to be like a broken record, and I mean that in the best possible sense. They just continue to do their thing. They offer smart, achievable targets. They achieve those targets, and they just continue to focus on this big market opportunity that's in front of them, particularly on the connected TV side.
Starting point is 00:15:21 So the results, very strong. $395 million in revenue, $163 million in adjusted EBITDA, nicely exceeding their own internal benchmarks and customer retention remains over 95% as it has from the past eight consecutive years. Going to that connected TV opportunity, because that really is the big opportunity for the trade desk. It was their fastest growing channel. It's become their largest. When you execute three, video, which includes connected TV, represented a low 40s percentage share of their overall business and continues to grow rapidly, they say, is a percentage of the mix. Interestingly, too, this is becoming an international opportunity. The Connected TV spend grew in the majority of their international markets faster than it did
Starting point is 00:16:07 in the U.S. And so you look at this company with its partnerships with companies like Disney and Peacock. Those relationships are only growing. Big tail wins in the coming years for this advertising supported video on demand. So you got a company here, I mean, generated $500 million in free cash flow over the last 12 months. It's up 53 percent from me. year ago. This for me is just one of those holdings that I grow more and more comfortable with as time goes on. So, you know, we'll just check back in next quarter. The rally could not
Starting point is 00:16:40 prevent shares of Lyft from falling this week. Active riders were down in the third quarter, and shares of Lyft fell to their lowest point since the company went public in 2019, Ron. Yeah, it's not a good time for Lyft. Adjusted earnings were fine, but the revenue growth and the number of riders were disappointing. Revenue of 2020. 22%, active riders of 7.2%, ended the quarter with just over 20 million riders that was short of analyst's prediction and still below the 23 million it had before the pandemic. Contrast that with Uber, who said their rider count had bounced back to pre-pandemic levels. Lyft reported 66 million in adjusted earnings, but their actual net loss widened to over 400
Starting point is 00:17:24 million as they issue new stock to employees to make up for its falling share price, not something you really want to see as a shareholder. Fourth quarter outlook was in line with Wall Street predictions, reiterated guidance of $1 billion in adjusted earnings in 2024. I caution investors to be wary of that number. And they're going to cut 13% of the staff to reduce costs, which I think is appropriate. From ride sharing to the war on cash, Marquetta's third quarter revenue came in higher than Wall Street was expecting. You're a shareholder, Jason. How's Marquetta looking to you? Yeah, a company, I think folks need to be paying attention to. Remember, they operate a platform that delivers card issuing and transaction processing services. According to Bain Capital, the value
Starting point is 00:18:07 of embedded finance, which is basically non-financial companies offering financial services in some capacity. The value of those transactions is expected to reach $7 trillion by 2026. And that's important because those are Marquetta's customers. So clearly pursuing a big market opportunity, The total processing volume for the quarter was $42 billion in net revenue, $192 million. Gross margin, 42% was down slightly from a year ago, but that was mostly due to timing and business mix. The thing to pay attention to with this company, they're very reliant on Block. That accounted for 72.5% of their total net revenue for the quarter, but this is a nice
Starting point is 00:18:45 problem to have, right? A lot of this comes from the success of Block, Cash App, the Cash App Card. We talked about how now cash app card, the attachment rate for those that use the app, you have 35% of the users now using that cash app card up from 31% just at the end of the year, and 25% from a year ago. So that accounts for more inflows, direct deposits, people use those cards and spend more. All plays into Marquetta's specialty. So all in all, I think things are looking good.
Starting point is 00:19:13 All right, guys, we'll see you later in the show. Up next, Rachel Warren, with a closer look at the top of retail trends this holiday season. is Motley Fool Money. Welcome back to Motley Fool Money. I'm Chris Hill. Angie Solonke is the National Retail Director for Colliers, a professional services and investment management company. Motleyfield contributor Rachel Warren caught up with Solanke to talk about the top retail trends this holiday season and how consumer spending continues to evolve. You know, one of the things we've been hearing about is that there might really be kind of an unprecedented holiday shopping season ahead, which sort of seems counterintuitive
Starting point is 00:20:13 in the current environment, but even just some of the earnings reports we've been seeing recently seem to sort of, you know, portend that that may be the case. From your vantage point, what are you seeing, you know, what retailers do you think are poised to do particularly well? You know, we're going to still see, of course, the groceries spend, many buying to have, you know, parties at home, friends and family at home. You know, people are really much more, I think, open to seeing one another in more of a large family format or family and friends format. So I think the spend is going to occur and see, you know, I think a soft peak as it relates
Starting point is 00:20:53 to in-house decorations, more on kind of the smaller scale. still, but, you know, those home goods is going to do well. All the TJX brands, of course, are going to do quite well in that category because they're grab and go. They're fun. They're playful. You know, from the consumer's perspective, if they're spending, you know, call it $10 to $20, in their mind, they feel like, oh, that doesn't seem too out of scale.
Starting point is 00:21:23 However, if they, you know, compound that with quite a bit of, you know, know, items it can shift. But we're starting to see that. And we're also what's fascinating to me. I don't know if you've picked this up, but, you know, Walmart is doing, you know, these amazing commercials, really more touching that spirit of family and getting together, really driving, I would say, kind of that subliminal message of, hey, it's time to get together as a group. Well, those things also spark, okay, well, if we're going to do that, we're going to spend. So the dollar trees, the Walmarts, more of those value oriented, where you can grab and go little tabletop accessories, et cetera. And then, of course, on the grocery side for these dinners,
Starting point is 00:22:08 the holiday dinners. It is kind of fascinating to see how these trends are shaping up as we approach the holiday season. Another thing that's sort of come to the forefront that I think investors think about as well as this idea of especially big retailers, potentially discounting items as a means of, you know, kind of luring in inflation-weary customers. And of course, that makes sense, you know, from the business perspective, but there's also the fear of, you know, how could that impact the top and bottom line. So what are you seeing from your position right now? Yeah, you know, that is definitely a concern. Now, there's a couple of things that have factored in. For certain retailers,
Starting point is 00:22:47 they may have overpurchased, and so they're still dealing with an oversupport. And in that scenario, you know, these retailers really have to be mindful of, you know, the sequencing of discounting. So what I'm starting to notice and see, which I think is actually very different from prior years, it's not this call it fire sale of sorts, right? It's also not very sequenced and tied to holiday. What I mean by that is that you're seeing the retailers, you know, discounting at different. periods of time almost as though, you know, the consumers not even aware when they may discount. So it's almost like a little bit of a surprise. And now that with all this technology that we have, the ability to push notifications,
Starting point is 00:23:38 the ability to kind of spark, oh, just exit in my car, I'm about to go into the grocery store and I get a notification that something I'm not even considering, you know, to buy, such as, hey, do you remember, you may want to buy some, I don't know, pumpkin pie. You know, and it's like, oh, oh, it's a dollar off. Maybe I might do that. So I think that retailers are getting much more clever, if you want to call it, in how they ration out their discounts. So it's not tied purely to, you know, the Thanksgiving holiday and the Christmas.
Starting point is 00:24:17 I think they're starting to really, you know, kind of spread it out, which is helping them as it relates to how they're, you know, softly disposing of their oversupply. But yes, for those that, you know, they do not have the resources, the manpower, the technology, etc, that may be a significant challenge. As we all know, you know, from an online perspective, you know, Amazon decided to have a second prime day. And we were, I don't know if I was, I wasn't too surprised purely because of the oversupply, but nonetheless, I mean, it was still a significant, you know, clearing. I think they cleared somewhere around $5 billion in terms of inventory.
Starting point is 00:25:03 So that's a lot of inventory. It's a lot. Yeah. And I'm sure it's, you know, it's somewhat a global perspective, but still, it's significant. You know, when we spoke earlier this year, I kind of asked you a question along these lines, but I'm curious to hear how your answer may have changed at all. You know, what can you share about the changes that you're seeing in consumer spending preferences? How have those shifted?
Starting point is 00:25:29 Do you think that these are permanent? So there are a few that I've seen in terms of, you know, people are really looking at, okay, my dollar and how I'm using that dollar and where I'm using it as it relates to quality of goods. So in some situations, you will start to see, you know, depending on, you know, your income, right, it's going to be very, very different. But I'm still seeing quite a bit of to spend in, you know, the luxury space. I'm monitoring that very closely because I'm curious to see what it will look like come January as we continue to see, you know, the interest rates change and hike. And so I am watching that. So from a behavioral perspective, quality seems
Starting point is 00:26:23 to be still important. And they're willing to spend a little extra for better quality. They're buying less of that better quality. We're still seeing quite a bit of spend on the resale. So people are being more open to buying on the resale market. So I think we're going to continue to see there, some of which is more related to sustainability and that ESG. And I think the other piece of it is also from a value perspective. We are going to continue to see, you know, the challenges in, you know, in those economic areas where it is going to be very difficult for families to, you know, if we don't see macroeconomic changes, you know, with gas and so. on and so forth, we will see those, you know, what I would say, a continuation of this kind of shift
Starting point is 00:27:19 between, you know, people who have more to spend versus those that do not. So that spend, of course, is going to be on staple items. And my hope is that we'll try to figure out this balance between everything. But we're still seeing that spend occur. And the other thing we're seeing a big spend is those that are very focused on value shopping are spending more in fast food. And I don't know if you've noticed, but a lot of the fast food categories, the KFCs, the Taco Bells, the Young Brands, etc, they are benefiting from it. They're seeing a nice increase in sales. However, I mean, it's, it's, you know, these dollar tacos. I mean, what's the health risks around that? That worries me too. So, you know, whenever we see these, call it financial challenges, you know,
Starting point is 00:28:17 those that really struggle and suffer are also those that are also potentially at high risk as it relates to, you know, what they're consuming, how they're consuming, et cetera. You know, as we draw to the end of our time together today, I think there's kind of one key question for, you know, for investors that are looking at the retail space right now that are looking at some of these companies in kind of different ways to play this landscape. What are some of the most, you know, prominent tailwinds or trends that you can see as driving the retail landscape in 2023 and beyond? And how can we kind of track the health of this space? Sure, sure. I think it's really important to understand the strategy of a brand. What is that true Omni-Channel strategy that they are
Starting point is 00:29:07 going to deploy. Remember, this is a partnership, and that partnership requires both sides, the investor side to understand the retailer and vice versa, right? If we can be transparent in that conversation early on, of course, it's not going to be 100%, but transparent, it becomes a partnership. You know, so when there's some down days, one party helps. When there's some up days, the other party helps, right? And that can be done in so many ways, but financially, both from that point of view, but also from a longevity point of view. And so, you know, what I mean by that is from a trend perspective, you're going to see more conversations as it relates to, you know, retailer.
Starting point is 00:29:49 What is your strategy as you deploy that, you know, demand delivery? How will you share that information? How are you looking at technology and technology as it relates to that specific store? is there an opportunity to share that information with the developer, not to the point where we're going to be managing your business, but to the point where we can, again, look at how the success of your business can drive the success of us bringing in more like retailers to drive everyone's business up. So I think if we can have more of those conversations, I think it really behooves all of us into looking at retail, continue.
Starting point is 00:30:33 to see retail elevate and become even more healthier. You know, there were a few clients I was speaking to the past few days, institutional clients, that, you know, have become quite bullish again as it relates to retail, you know, Class A, lifestyle, suburban retail, because they are seeing, as I mentioned, at the beginning of this discussion, this increased velocity as it relates to leasing. retailers are having those appetites, as I mentioned, to expand, more open to buys, but they're being very cautious. It's not, you know, certain retailers, it's not 100 stores. It might be 10 to 15 per year, but very, very strategic. So having that balance is going to really show and shed some success.
Starting point is 00:31:25 So I think that Omni Channel, that approach to how we're delivering, how we're educating, consumer, and that's going to continue to drive. I mean, I think you may have read or heard, you know, the drone is out there, and Walmart's droning your gifts. So it's not Santa. It's the Walmart's drone that you'll see flying around here pretty soon. I'm not knocking the innovation of flying drones, but they got a long way before they catch up to the scope and scale of Santa's delivery system. Coming up after, After the break, Ron Gross and Jason Moser return with a couple of stocks on their radar. So stay right here. You're listening to Motley Fool Money.
Starting point is 00:32:11 We've been here before surrounded in the core. You take me to places I've never known and you push me to me. As always, people on the program may have interest in the stocks they talk about and the Motley Fool may have formal recommendations for or against, so don't buy ourselves stocks based solely on what you hear. Welcome back to Motley Fool Money. Chris Hill here. once again with Jason Moser and Ron Gross. Guys, there's been no shortage of consumer-facing companies raising prices this year, but where they raise prices and by how much can be a delicate art.
Starting point is 00:32:57 Carnival Cruise Line announced that starting in January, they're raising prices on specialty dining restaurants on their cruise ships due to increased food costs and supply chain challenges. One of the increases caught the attention of producer Ricky Mulvey, guests will now be charged in additional $5 if they order a third entree for lunch or dinner. Now, let's put aside just for a moment how hungry you have to be to consume two entire entrees at lunch or dinner and think to yourself, I think I'm going to need one more. But Ron, in terms of this move, like, is this helping Carnival Cruise Lines balance sheet?
Starting point is 00:33:41 If you're a shareholder, you're thinking, this is going to work. I think, I mean, it will cut costs marginally. But listen, I took a cruise once. I like the midnight bacon as much as the next guy. But it's not healthy. And three entrees isn't healthy either. So maybe they're doing like a public service to all of us by limiting our intake. But yes, I think it will cut costs.
Starting point is 00:34:02 They're doing other things to their lobster dinners and some other cost-cutting measures. On the margins, I think it will help. Jason, I don't know. I'm skeptical. I haven't been on a cruise in a very, very long time, but this just seems like one of those moves that, look, I get that it results in more money, but why wouldn't you just, I don't know, raise the overall price of the ticket rather than nickel and dime people looking for a third entree? You know, I've never been on a cruise. I don't really have a desire to go on a cruise. I share your skepticism, but really what this all boils down to me,
Starting point is 00:34:39 is, if I ever start a band, I mean, I am totally going to name it Midnight Bacon. I mean, that is just a sure thing. Feel free. I thought you were going to go third entree. That also seems like it could be. Third Entree could open up for midnight bacon. Let's get to the stocks on our radar this week. Our man behind the glass, Dan Boy, is going to hit you with a question.
Starting point is 00:35:03 Jason Moser, you're up first. What are you looking at this week? A stock that closed at $11.47 cents on November. 8th, and now I'm watching it, scratch $20 per share at the end of this week. Outset Medical tickets. Wow. Oh, M. Remember, they make dialysis machines known for the Tablo-Dialysis machine that opens them up to not only acute care settings and hospitals and clinics, but also in-home settings.
Starting point is 00:35:27 And this was a really good quarter they announced, raised guidance for the full year. And this really was the quarter where they've been able to put that whole FDA hold on tablo machines from earlier in the year. They made it put that behind them. Remember, that was something where the FDA, they were working with the FDA, ultimately, just to provide more data, right? It wasn't a question of the machines, but updates to the machines. They just wanted more data.
Starting point is 00:35:48 The stock got hammered when that hold was placed. They got through it very quickly, and now it really does feel like they've just put this in the rearview mirror, and that's why the stock has performed so well this week, because it really is pursuing a large market opportunity in dialysis in general. It's limited competition in the space. They were awarded a VA contract, which enables them to be sold into 106 VA hospitals throughout the United States. All things considered, I think this is a business that is back on track. It's one that I own shares in personally, and I'm excited to see how they develop.
Starting point is 00:36:24 Dan, question about outset medical? Raising guidance, Jason? You never hear about that happening anymore. Unheard of in this market. Unheard of, Dan. And that's why I think the market is reacting so positively to that news. In all seriousness, that caught my attention as well, because I just thought, wow, this, we've been saying all year, this is not the time nor the place to be overly aggressive with guidance. So definitely something that's worth watching. Ron Gross, what are you looking at this week? An update for longtime listeners on Titan International, TWI, a stock
Starting point is 00:37:02 I've held and at times sold for a long time manufacturer of wheels and tires for agricultural and industrial equipment. Shares are up almost 40% this year. That's even after falling 20% from their 52-week highs. So not that normal to see a stock up that much in this environment. Still a very small company with a market cap of only about $960 million. Companies probably in the strongest position they've been in quite a while. In this latest quarter, sales were up 18%. Gross margins and operating margins widened. Operating income was up 120%.
Starting point is 00:37:41 Free cash flow was $40 million for the quarter, almost $70 million year-to-date. They reduced their debt by $35 million in the quarter, improving their debt leverage ratios significantly. Management expects adjusted EBITDA of around $250 million for this year, with free cash flow for the year to be at $100 million. or more. That puts the stock at only five times EBITDA. I'm thinking we have a quick and dirty measure of cash flow. I'm thinking we have at least 30% upside left in the stock. Stocks around 15. I think it goes to the 20s or perhaps even the low 20s. That's around where I've sold some in the past. I think Titan is doing a great job. Recession is always the wild card. A slowing economy,
Starting point is 00:38:26 slowing agricultural market is always a wild card. But I think they look really strong right here. Dan, question about Titan International? I'm just glad that old economy, Ron, showed up here on Friday, a Molly fool money. I miss him. Just for you, Dan. What do you want to add to your watch list, Dan? That's a tough one, Chris, because, I mean, Titan continuously impresses,
Starting point is 00:38:52 and they just make wheels. Like, that's like, they're just making wheels out there. They're not reinventing them. They're just making. Don't you feel like the reinventing the wheel? They do. They have some technology out there that you could argue is reinventing the wheel. But isn't that a bull? Isn't that part of the bull case for this company? Who in the world needs to reinvent the wheel? That shows how solid their competitive position is, right?
Starting point is 00:39:14 I guess so. So that's why I'm picking Titan, Chris. No. Jason Moza, Ron Gross, guys. We'll see you next time.

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