Move The Line - 10 NFL Draft Bets That Could Go Wrong!

Episode Date: April 21, 2022

Move The Line hosts Connor Allen, Ryan Noonan, and John Daigle share some of the best bets they've placed on the 2022 NFL Draft, which is only one week away!Presented by FanDuelBet $5 on FanDuel Sportsbook, get $150 in bonus credit 👉🏼 https://www.4for4.com/go/fanduelSubscribe to 4for4's Betting Package 👉🏼 https://www.4for4.com/plansTopics Discussed0:00 Intro7:39 Ikem Ekonwu #1 Pick Bet12:40 Kayvon Thibodeaux Over Pick 5.520:20 Jameson Williams Bets25:51 Derek Stingley Under Pick 12.529:45 Drake London Under Pick 12.540:34 Over 1.5 Safeties48:14 Over 5.5 1st-Round WRs56:09 First QB Drafted: Malik Willis1:10:04 First RB Drafted: Breece Hall1:15:12 Tyler Smith: Drafted in Round 11:20:04 OutroHosts: Connor Allen, Ryan Noonan, John Daigle, Move the LineFollow Us On:TwitterFacebookYouTubeDiscord 4for4 NFL Draft Odds & Betting TrackerMove the Line Bets Tracker Get a FREE 4for4 Pro Sub & Bonus Deposit Match up to $100 with Promo Code 4FOR4 on Underdog Fantasy (Minimum $10 deposit)Want a FREE 4for4 Betting Subscription? Deposit $10 into a new BetMGM account using promo code 4FOR4 👉🏼 https://4for4.com/go/BetMGMGet a FREE 4for4 Pro Sub & Bonus Deposit Match up to $100 with Promo Code 4FOR4 on Underdog Fantasy (Minimum $10 deposit) 👉🏼 https://4for4.co/3wtvfuhEmail: [e-mail]

Yeah! promo code 444 to take advantage. I'm Ryan Noonan, joined here as always by my friends, Connor Allen, John Daigle. You guys got together for lunch today. I believe that there was some mushroom coffee involved. There were some experiences where Connor was maybe baptized to the world of John Daigle. How was that, fellas? Connor, how was it, buddy?

No, it was great. Daigle gave me some shrooms for lunch. Happy 420, by the way. We watched LSD soundtrack. great uh dagle gave me some shrooms for lunch um and then we watched we watched lsd soundtrack um okay i think i i butchered both of those but i had some good mushroom coffee it was pretty solid i'm still feeling like a solid buzz now and i had that at like whatever four o'clock and then we i don't know what what was that band called that you turned on in the background? It was like a live Lollapalooza of a band. I introduced you to Lion's Mane Coffee and LCD Sound System, which I got called a boomer for enjoying LCD. That's not a boomer. James McMurray may be a boomer, but the

music is not at all. It's rhythmatic, which is great for writing. So I hope you enjoyed it. No, it was solid. I had a very productive day. I wrote like one and three quarters articles, uh, got down on some more bets, uh, started calculating my positions on everything. Um, let's just say I'm in deep, I'm in deep. So, uh, but I'm feeling good about it. I think that I'm in a great position here. Uh, and you know, a lot of thanks to you guys and some other, uh, friends in the discord and, uh, you know, friends in our other group chats as well yeah i think uh wisdom of the crowd is important at this time of year though i do think that the how you kind of cultivate your crowd is super important because if you allow the crowd to be everyone uh you can get into a place where you are reacting to

literally anything that happens um if you're able to really, you know, kind of parse down your crowd, I think you can get yourself into a pretty good spot to make advantageous numbers, John. To that point, there are two important skills in life that as we get closer to the draft, I'm realizing a lot of people don't have, but should practice as well. And that is one, being able to take in information and then shit out 95% of it, right? Just ignore it. That, a lot of people are not doing well. And then also, just the fact to not react, actually not act, to say no. That's actually a skill in life. It is much easier to react and move towards something rather than to sit and ponder and think.

Also something people tend to be overre overacting right now, which is why I think today's show is very important for the draft. It is silly season. We have kind of been in silly season for a little bit. And what I mean by that is that there are numerous reports and, you know, meetings and this happened and all of a sudden, you know, these teams are allotted 30 meetings with these players. And all of a sudden a guy is announced to be meeting with the team and then markets move or people react to that thing. And it's like, well, no, they get to do this. And he was going to visit them the whole time anyway. And again, that's just, I get it.

We're as excited as can be. I do believe, I think similar to you, Dago, I know Connor feels this way. This is probably one of the best, if not the best betting event of the season because I do think that information markets are something that are better than binary results of games and things like that. So before we get into it, again, this is going to be draft-centric. I wanted to remind you, wherever you are listening or watching, to subscribe so you do not miss a show.

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We are super stoked. Hopefully we're going to give you some more today. I would love to see some of your thoughts there in the chat. Also, betting subscription. 444.com slash plans to scoop a betting sub. It's going to secure you access to literally everything on the site. Projections, articles, tools, all the best ball content that you can handle. Daigle is doing extensive work on that.

We have some great tools that Sam has for us, kind of exclusive stuff on the underdog side that I think are really cool and exciting. On the betting side, NBA, MMA, NASCAR, F1, USFL, basically anything that you are thirsty for. We have a Discord channel for you to take advantage of that. So today, the purpose of today's show is to talk about some bets that we have either alone or collectively, our 10 bets. We're going to talk about these 10 bets and essentially we're going to poke holes in them and talk about how they could go wrong. Like said we either either one of us has this play or in a lot of instances

we've all kind of got down on this play in various numbers and various points we have some thoughts so i think that this is a very useful process because dagle i think you could speak this is probably part of what you're talking about at the top, because this allows you to really stay not sucked into the vortex of here's what my card is. Here's what I need to happen, but allow yourself to be a little bit pliable based on the news that we think is actionable that we need to move off of, find some opportunities maybe to buy out of stuff. And again, things just happen when you're making bets into a market like this, say six weeks out. Anytime you listen to Daniel Jeremiah, Lance Zierlein, Dane Brugler, all these smart mock drafting individuals, they'll tell you it's perhaps the most chaotic draft of the last decade.

And although sometimes that tendency becomes hyperbole, I truly believe that's where we're at right now. So much so that it's probably irresponsible to be too overweight with nine days left until this draft which is why we are discussing these things because although we do have some very good closing lines i was talking about the connor to this earlier even something like getting let's say on that gardener at under eight and a half right in some cases we got him under double digits um and other positional player values like that it still could go bad in a hurry so much so that we saw Debo Samuel trade today like if the Jets ran on that that could ruin everything if he gets traded for the number four number 10 pick because that perhaps messes up two

or three wide receivers in the top 10 that messes up perhaps five and a half wide receivers in the first round so although we have the clv line like there's still enough out there that all of these could collapse in a hurry and so i do like our positions but yes there's a lot that can still go wrong right now yeah you can head over to the site four for four you get a bet tracker on there that has everything that the three of us have bet uh as a group which I think is really useful. Again, the Discord is how to maximize your subscription. If you are not a subscriber, take advantage of it. If you happen to be a 444 sub, watch the show and aren't in the Discord, you just aren't really getting the most out of your

subscription. It's the best place to get access to things as they break, news, grid discussion, hang out with a bunch of degenerates that are as passionate as we are and as you are about this type of stuff. So Connor, I'll let you get started with our first bet. Again, this is a play that, gosh, I really wish we would be feeling really good about it today. I feel like the way that things have shifted, we don't feel as good about it. I don't think it's dead, but I don't think it is what we thought maybe it was even, say, two weeks ago with where we are.

So get us started with our first bet here tonight, first to 10. Yeah, so something we got on, I mean, I personally got on at 100 to 1 is Iken McQuanu to go number one overall. Now this moved all the way up into him being the favorite, actually being the odds-on favorite at one point. We hopped on as a crew at plus 500. Now this is when they did not look like they were going to tag Cam Robinson. And at that point, we thought that it was almost certainly going to be a tackle. Doug Peterson talked a bunch about how important the trenches are, how important the offensive line is.

We saw what kind of success that he had in Philly with a strong offensive line. And then now we you know, we, we thought that a Kwan who the more physical specimen of the two would be the pick. So at plus 500, we got on that. Uh, again, as you mentioned, I think it's still live. I think there's still a chance. We know that Doug Peterson still would prefer a Kwan who over Hutch or Walker. Um, but at the end of the day, Peterson's not making the decisions. Trent Balky is. So, you know, I think that's probably

the biggest hole to poke there. Aquanu now down to 16 to one to be the number one overall pick. I mean, at that point, if you have a little bit of extra money and you're looking to sprinkle something, I don't think it's like a terrible play, but, you know,

I would probably go elsewhere with it. Where are you guys at on this? Am I comfortable with the selection outright? No. Am I comfortable with the number? Hell yes. I am still of the belief, as I've been the last two months, that Iquanu is the more likelier pick at number one overall than Aiden Hutchinson.

We know Trayvon Walker is linked to Balky's decision. We know, like Connor said, it's Iquanu to Doug Peterson. And we know Aiden Hutchinson are to a quantum to doug peterson and we know aiden hutchinson are to those that don't matter in the organization the ones that aren't going to have the final call on this decision i still believe by saturday if not in the next 48 hours trayvon walker will be minus money to be the number one overall pick i've been hammering from 225 all the way down to plus 125 in some instances at the time of this recording i will continue taking plus money because i believe max by next week,

Trayvon Walker's definitively the number one overall. And so that's the way I still think it plays out. Yeah, I agree. I think protecting the quarterback that you drafted last year at the top is a priority. I think that their offensive line is still not strong, even with Cam Robinson signing. I think that there are holes and still not strong, even with, you know, Cam Robinson signing. I think that there are holes and ways to take advantage of this,

and you can very much slide someone over to guard, whether that's, you know, Icky here for a year as he, you know, moves over and, you know, you're in the same spot with Cam Robinson next season. So I think addressing the offensive line still makes a ton of sense. But again, we're kind of in this spot where I think we feel pretty strongly about the number one pick, even though the betting markets aren't necessarily with us yet. But again, plus money 16 to one still on this, even though, you know, the hundred not dead. I mean, I obviously, if it was a hundred, we should be still continuing to hammer it. But you know, anything here still in double digits, I think is still worth sprinkling on just

to get some access to. The frustrating thing is that in my opinion, and I'm curious to hear your thoughts on this, Connor, Icky's loan out inside the top three, since his prop is three and a half, is number one overall. I don't think we have a chance at two and three. And that is my issue right now in betting under over at minus money, because I'm just not sure the Lions, well, the Lions we know aren't interested, but the Texans are interested in him over Evan Neal, Ahmad Gardner will get there or Thibodeau. Yeah, no, that's a good point there.

And we've kind of seen his line move actually a little bit here too. There's some spots, Aquan who's moved to four and a half. There's still some three and a halves out there, but you're right. I think number one is basically the main out. And then at three, the Texans, you mentioned they, they've,

Ahmad Gardner has been getting a ton of steam as of late. And then we have heard, you know, through the grapevine that they prefer Evan Neal to Aquanu if they are going to pick an offensive player. Again, you know, I think that Aquanu is a great player.

You know, he has a lot of great traits and he was widely talked about as the better prospect throughout the, at least the last month of the draft process. But again. You know, he has a lot of great traits and he was widely talked about as the better prospect throughout the, at least the last like month of the draft process. But again, you know, each team is separate. So I think that if we have a team specific link there and we trust our source I think that Neil is very much in play at three as well. So yeah, I guess if you can find a three and a half, I would consider taking the over. But at the same time, I think we're so deep in our position that I don't think that it really makes sense with where we're at i'm probably just going to leave it alone to be honest i think that the top of that board as you mentioned is so so volatile after one i mean i

think like two through seven there could be like nine guys this is a good point though but four doesn't four feel dead too because i don't of all the instances of where the jets are we just don't have a lot of jets offensive line talk at four't have a lot of jets offensive line talk at four. We didn't have a lot of jets offensive line talk at 10. Well, I, I, Connor Hughes has gone on record saying that the only offensive lineman they

would consider in that spot would be a quantum. Um, and that it would be a serious conversation if you were to fall to four. So maybe, but again, you know, his like biggest point has been, and to some extent,

Daniel Jeremiah has been, they want it going to draft a wide receiver and an edge with four and ten. Do you mind if I move on to Thibodeau for our next bet? Because I think that's how this factors in. And that is Kayvon Thibodeau over under five and a half draft pick. And the issue is that Connor Hughes, so we have conflicting reports right now in two sources I trust. Connor Hughes does not even mention Sauce Gardner at number four at all.

An afterthought. Actually, he does. Says that they're not taking corner. Okay, yes, that's fair. He mentions them and that they're not taking him. Whereas Daniel Jeremiah last mocked him and in the last 48 hours, if you listen to any shows he's done,

is convinced that's where the Jets are leaning right now. But Connor Hughes believes they are heavily favoring Icky and not so much favoring Thibodeau as intrigued. The thing is, though, with this number, like Thibodeau, whether they know it or not, could very easily be there at 10. He may fall in their laps anyhow.

And whether you believe or not, Noonan, maybe you do, that Thibodeau is falling to the Lions, and this has been a smokescreen the entire time, I don't think that's the case at all. I am fairly sure they are in love with Aiden Hutchinson, hometown kid, and that's the direction they're going. I don't even factor Thibodeau in at number two at all. And so that's my issue is that the Jets aren't that much intrigued

to just squash Icky at number four overall. That's where I think he lands genuinely right now, unless they go receiver. We'll get there in a bit too. And then Thibodeau plummets to God knows where. Yeah, I agree because I'm with you. Obviously, we've had a lot of steam. It's kind of what the market would tell us now.

If you just, without any context, open up and look at who's the favorite to go number two, it's suddenly Thibodeau over the last 24 hours that shifts very much if Aiden Hutchinson is not the picket one in our opinion because I agree I don't think that this becomes I don't think there's any question whether you believe the reports out of Detroit around their opinions of Thibodeau like I feel like that's kind of maybe a spot where some of the early preseason narratives around Thibodeau have kind of landed around, is he a Fitz? Is there, again, he's a 21, 22-year-old kid

that is getting knocked for caring about his brand or likes crypto. I don't know. Who cares what he was doing on the side? If he could ball, he could ball, and he seems to ball out. You're going to find a lot of 21-year-olds that have some plays on tape that they take off, so it feels a little noisy. What's happening quietly this year is a changing of the guard, not only the mental process, right?

As mental health becomes a more advocated thought process in egotistical, testosterone-driven sports like the NFL. Remember, like Sean McVay and Aaron Donald at the peak of their powers, nearly walked away after last year's super bowl because they both understood they can't do this forever. McVay even said, I can't sleep 20 hours per night on a couch for six months out of the year. This is especially when I have this much money and I'm doing this well and

married to a supermodel. Like I have to step away and that's no big deal because I've lived a happy life and I have a successful career. Same thing's happening right now with rap careers, with being moguls, essentially. NFL, you come in, you get it done, you get away with your money. And that's very smart.

We should always promote that. And now you're seeing guys like Thibodeaux. Also, this is what Josh Norris has mentioned, that we have, quietly, four of the greatest athletes ever to test out in this draft at their position. Tight end, linebacker, and defensive tackle specifically, and tight end as well, I believe Jelaney Woods. They are literally the best athletes ever in a draft, and they're all here. So we're seeing nutrition catch up as well to this draft. So it's unprecedented, which also leads me right back, Connor, to just saying maybe we

shouldn't have that much money in this, the wildest draft ever. Yeah, I know. I know you're going to, yeah, I mean, I know you're going to like hate on that, but I just think that we approach drafts very differently in terms of risk allocation and everything. And I think at the end of the day, when I'm showing you a five-figure payout on my total draft card, I'll be very happy with my selections here. So I think that I like to put some skin in the game. I mean, maybe you don't, I don't know. We can go back and forth on that. But the Thibodeau here, I think, originally we took the over. I think at this point, if you can get an under,

I would consider buying back, but that's long gone at this point, I think. So yeah, I'm pretty much just holding tight with any Thibodeau I have. It's not one of my bigger positions. It was probably like, you know, a quarter of maybe what I played on everything else, or at least some of my stronger ones. But beyond that, I think that there could be some real lion steam, but it didn't really make sense because the number one pick didn't move. And so if, if you know that whatever, like they are going to pick Thibodeau, that means that they don't care who else is on the board, uh, number one, or like who went number one. So if it was Walker, they they're picking Thibodeau. If it was Hutch, they're picking Thibodeau. Um, and in that scenario, I just don't really see how you could know that. I mean, unless literally Thibodeau is their number one player on

their board, which I guess is possible. Again, it seems like there would have to be some serious, serious inside information that would have likely been leaked at some point or another. So yeah, I'm not buying the steam. I'm probably just staying off, not buying out of my position, unless you get like a really, really good number from like an offshore. The really, really good numbers, unfortunately, just aren't out there right now so with you like I don't feel great about it it's probably one on the card that I feel the worst about but I also don't necessarily think that there are zero outs I think there are definitely to Dago's point there are numerous scenarios here that can shift this whether it's you know receiver sliding in here into the top five cornerback um you know we really didn't have

even a week ago even two days ago i think the thought process was that like sauce gardener was probably seven it just felt like kind of his spot like it felt like not necessarily his ceiling but it felt like definitely his floor but if there's some thought process around him moving up whether he's three four or five that shifts people back and then all of a sudden maybe there is a spot for the bitbadoo to fall back into like Daigle said, maybe he's the second pick for the Jets instead of the first pick for the Jets, because there are other numerous positions here in the first.

So I just still don't think he's a top five pick at all. Personally. Okay. And also I have a lot of skin in the game. How come? Not based on Matt Miller's tweets, but I have a lot of skin in the game. Because I can't fit him personally in And nothing makes sense at the top. I don't believe it's the lions at all.

Texans, I believe are stronger on cornerback or offensive tackle, knowing that they can get another position elsewhere at 13, which also makes sense. They can go offensive tackle and then perhaps get cornerback, even if it's McDuffie at 13 as well. And then the jets we've discussed, are leaning icky. And I don't think Tibbs is a – I think it's something they're toying with,

but not actually in a way they're going to do. And then the Giants aren't taking him at five. So I personally can't fit him in the top five at all. We heard a month and a half ago, all the way up to that, that Thibodeau is the player most likely to fall to the mid first. And I don't see why that has changed at all since then. I don't think the Jets are dead. I could see that.

But again, this is one of those teams that we feel like when we get a couple people in particular mocking the Jets come Wednesday afternoon of next week, we'll feel pretty good about what that pick is. And then we can kind of go from there. I think that he probably is Jets or outside of the top five, and that's kind of shifted, I think, in the last few hours. So I don't think it's as dead as it maybe was a couple days ago.

Third play. Again, this is definitely a group effort. This is one that at this point, again, we're eight days out. I'm definitely going to get more skin in the game because we do all have skin in the game. We just don't necessarily all have all of our skin in the game. But Jamison Williams, top 10, top five, under 16 and a half. Right now where I'm at, some of those Jamison Williams,

top 10, under 16 and a half can really pay for my entire card. Again, that'll change because there'll be a lot more played in the next eight days. But again, a lot of talk around him being ahead of schedule. Again, ACL tear in the national championship game. He's apparently ahead of schedule. There's a lot of people that are putting him at number one on their receiver draft board in a rich receiver class, which is fantastic.

A lot of rumors about numerous teams down below, down in the late first that have ammunition to trade back up into the top 10 to nab him, to get ahead of some of the other teams that are maybe in the teens that are kind of been pegged for receiver here. Very much love this play. Again, some of these numbers are dead. Definitely the top five and top 10 numbers in particular, the top 10, uh, and nine to one top 10 at seven to one. Um, those are very much not out there anymore. You're down to like plus one 50, uh, Connor, I know this is a very, very big position for you. One that can very much make or break your day. Uh, yeah. So, I mean, basically I actually just

mapped it out before this show, but right now, I mean, we'll look at the best on the board right now. 14 and a half minus 160 in the under is still available drafting. I still think that's a great play. You're looking at in the top 10. I mean, Daigle actually mocked it in his mock draft. They're Jets at four picking him. But I think that they're also the Falcons at eight. And the Jets again at 10 are all live in that scenario.

Also, Washington at 11. Rumor to plenty of wide receivers. The Houston Texans at 13 were mentioned a bunch in terms of wanting wide outs. And then I think a sneaky out there as well with the Ravens at 14. I mean, their wide receiver room does not really inspire much confidence. They've been talked about like 0% in terms of wanting a wide out. It's just pure connecting the dots. But I mean, their receiving room is pretty rough, especially after Lamar getting injured.

It would not surprise me if they decided to either. I mean, they obviously need help in the trenches as well. But again, I think that there's an outside chance of that, as well as a trade up at some point in there for Jameson Williams. I mean, multiple teams have been linked outside the top 15 to Jameson Williams most recently today, like Saints, Cardinals, all of that. But yeah, I mean, Jameson Williams,

Ben ranked the number one wide receiver on multiple teams boards. He's also ahead of schedule, as you mentioned. Bob McGinn came out today with his initial report where he pulls multiple executives throughout the leagues. He was his number two receiver, according to all the executives' polls. So I mean, I think that under 14 and a half, even at minus 165, is still very much in play. And yes, I have a pretty large position on 16 and a half top five, top 10. Um, and I feel great about it. I mean, even if he ends up at 12 or 11 or, you know, whatever, 14, I still make money, uh, you know, not as much as I should, but you know, again, still in the green. So that's what matters. Since we talked last Wednesday,

it is again, the tides have only gotten stronger and larger. Chris Mortensen and Daniel Jeremiah have both thrown out their top four pick, potentially, if it's three consecutive edge rushers for the Jets. And then we know he's also the number one wide receiver on a lot of teams' boards, including the Cardinals and Chiefss potentially trading up for him. The real question we're trying to answer isn't if Jamison Williams is a number

four overall pick it's who is the number one wide receiver on the jets board. And how long do they think they can wait for them? Because I think it's fairly naive to think they can wait for number 10 for both Williams or Garrett Wilson. Don't think it happens at all. And so if that's the case, again, it's me getting ahead of this thinking they know they have to jump the ship and then hope that an edge rusher or offensive lineman, offensive lineman, whether it's Penning or Charles Cross as well,

likely will be there at 10. They have to think that way knowing they're leaving four on the board, essentially. So I still think they can know they're jumping the line, getting Jameson Williams, knowing he fits the type of receiver they've been going after all offseason and Devo Samuel AJ Brown Tyree Kill they want a fast almost like a an H tight end like a motion wide receiver to do 49ers Shanahan style plays with that's Jameson Williams who literally has see a speed like you can't even clock his 40 so fast so I still believe it's not a long shot and obviously since the last show we pushed this number down single-handedly it's no longer 50 to 1 anywhere it's it's now still a good number to bet so I'm still trying to get ahead of it but if it doesn't happen sure I won't

be shocked but we still have a week to go and we've already heard so many things about him oh yeah I mean even just today uh Dago you and I were listening to the podcast today Daniel Jeremiah was asked like point blank like who do you think will be the wide receiver one uh I mean he did was not very like definitive but he said that based on what he's been hearing he thinks it'll be Jameson Williams so nine days boys nine days just imagine how much more hype Jameson Williams gets. Yep. And you know that no matter who tweets it, I'll be retweeting it,

quote-tweeting it. It doesn't matter. I'm in one dynasty league. Had the first round yesterday. Had to take Jameson Williams for the brand. Locked in the moment. Again, just an electric player I think we're going to be excited about on the field. We're going to be wanting to play him in DFS. We're going to be wanting to bet, you know, yardage overs in season, depending on where he lands. I mean, there's a few scenarios where he's just going to be really exciting if he lands on the Chiefs or something like that from a

pure football standpoint. So yeah, that's one that I think we all have a pretty big position on. And so is this next one, Derek stingley jr uh under 12 and a half this has also been very noteworthy today there is another daniel jeremiah made an appearance on nfl live on espn and emphatically i mean straight faced he's not falling out of the top 10 um that felt like not speculation that felt like jeremiah who is, I don't want to say understated, but he's not like, there's not a lot of hyperbole in Jeremiah's delivery. It's just not necessarily his games. When he says something so matter of fact,

he's not falling out of the top 10. I think that that's actionable data. We felt like 12 was kind of the floor, which is why we took that play. Once everything tested, we saw the testing after, you know, Liz Frank, the ankle injury from the sophomore year, everything looks good based off of how we tested the combine. And now we're seeing 10 and a half. There's even some nine and a halves out there on Stingley.

Now, the other thing I think, I think it's was VR Vegas refund, made a good point where I think there's some correlation tied to the cornerbacks, whether that is Gardner moving up. If Gardner really becomes three, four or five, that's really interesting. Maybe the giants are in the market still, no matter what we were pegging for sauce at seven,

maybe Stingley can move up into that area. Seattle has been a team that's been talked about for Stingley at nine. That makes the nine and a half very, very clean. Whereas 10, 11 kind of feel like dead numbers based off of what we've seen. So Stingley on the move, feel really good about the 12 and a half. 12 and a half was a bad number before he was medically cleared, knowing before the injury, he was the number one cornerback in this draft.

Seven and a half is a bad number after he was cleared. If books were sharp, and they'll probably do this right after this show, it should be 5.5 should be the number because you have outs at 3, 4, and 5. The Texans are apparently so high on him, they could go him over Sauce Gardner. We've also heard Nick Serio speak in media appearances just this past week, and he didn't say the position exactly, but he said necessarily they don't look for size and reach in a certain position. Could have been offensive tackle with Evan Neal, short arms, could have been quarterback. We have no idea. And so knowing per Jeremiah, how much extensive research they've done in Stingley and how much they love him.

They also have to know they can't get them at 13. There's no way. And so you have multiple outs, not only under 12, not only under seven, but under five as well. So very clearly like hammer seven and a half. Uh, Connor, 10 and a halves. They're still out there based on the news of Jeremiah today. I know we feel good about 12 and a half might not be necessary, uh, depending on where the juices, how do you feel for folks listening and watching now that can catch 10 and a halves? Uh, do we want to take any action on Stingley? Yeah. I mean,

I, I up to my position today actually. So initially I had about like three quarters of what I had on, you know, like a Jameson or a sauce, you know, under, and now today I up to my position in the top 10 because now,

as you mentioned, you know, sauce could go as high as three and that kind of domino effect there, I think leaves the giants who are likely to get rid of James Bradbury via trade or cut, um, exposed to potentially getting him at five or seven. And then the Seahawks, like, you know, I mean, that's just a very loud drumbeat at this point that we've heard from multiple sources saying that Stingley is a total, like complete Seahawks player and that he would be a perfect fit for them. So yeah, I think that's kind of that whole transition there, uh, like with seven and nine, having multiple outs inside the

top 10 has made me really like that top 10 pick, um, as a bet. So I think that, you know, taking that under there and then, I mean, absolute worst case we got in at 12 and a half. I think that the Vikings, uh, picking him at 12 and a half would be, I mean, the, the floor for a guy like Stingley. Um, but again, now I think, you know, constantly evaluating where the line is at. I think that 10 and a half, you can take the over, you can take the under there. And I mean, to Daigle's point, if you really want to get frisky, maybe grab like a top five number as well. Interesting.

All right. Next, Drake London, under 12 and a half. This is something that we have all got in on. Drake London's been kind of a very automatic spot in a lot of mocks for about a month to the jets at 10 uh bigger body receiver fits a little bit of kind of what their needs are there with you know slot receivers you know elijah moore last year they got cory davis on the outside as well drake london more of uh michael pitman mike evans type of body uh big play in the red zone uh a Dagle thoughts on London. Again,

obviously I think the Jamie's Jamison Williams stuff has kind of impacted London's process about like, again, there are only so many guys that we can have here in the top 10. How do you think he is kind of trending now based off of this number? The good thing is, you know, what kind of player he is. Josh Norris andde winks underdog compared him to mike evans pre-draft and that big-bodied receiver who comes down with the ball even in high school uh multi-sport athlete london averaged 29 points and 12 rebounds and in basketball and

then also in his last year prior to ankle injury led the FBS with 19 contested catches. Like he has a big play threat. You just toss a 50, 50 ball to it. He'll come down with it. The issue is I don't know where to fit him. If I'm of the belief and clearly I am that Jameson Williams ranked higher on the majority of teams boards, and that's the player teams are trading up for. So 12 and a half to me, I probably lean under 12 and a half but i'm not

confident in it um knowing the eagles chargers and saints are right after and all it takes is basically washington going a lobby at 11 over london to knock london outside of the top 11 so it's not a it's not a bet I'm personally confident with. Yeah, I'm okay if Jamison Williams kind of slides into the top 10, maybe the Falcons who are very much a wild card because of all the absolute depth of needs that they have. They just have a pretty gross roster. But again, receiver makes a lot of sense there with all the issues that they have.

We talked about that last week. It's really difficult to really name three active receivers on that team. So they have a need. You could still see London. Again, it makes sense for the Jets. But again, the Jets are very much a wild card with how they pull the trigger at four. So thoughts here on London at 12 and a half. Yeah, I mean, like the cornerbacks, I think there is another wide receiver domino effect

at the top here. So if the Jets at four or maybe the panthers at six trade out and someone else comes up and takes a wide receiver you know that bumps all of these guys up a little bit you know that takes say if gary wilson is that number that guy at number four then you're looking at a team trading out for james and williams at number six and then then you're looking at london at either you know at like eight potentially for the falcons or potentially at 11 to Washington. There's a bunch of different outs there, I think, in that scenario. But then again, like,

if the first wide receiver doesn't go till eight, and that's say Garrett Wilson or Jameson Williams, then you're looking at just 8, 10, 11. You know, Dalton Cates mentioned here, Minnesota 12 sneaky spot. I mean, I think that that's, it's a little bit thin. But again, you know, I think that it's very possible. So like, I don't love the under as much as we did before, because when we were looking at it before, it was more of like a two man race. You know, it was a London versus Garrett Wilson, you know, in the top 12. And there are like three spots for a wide receiver to go. So we thought that's more than fine. But now a lot of has been getting a lot of hype to Washington. Jameson Williams is getting a lot of hype as a top 10 wide receiver. So when you factor all that in, yeah, I think it's tough for me to feel great about London, but I will certainly sacrifice London at the hands of a Jameson Williams top 10. Quick question for both of you, because we're now talking basically the first 12 picks. Who do we lose in the first 12 picks? Because everyone's trying to shove 17 players in the top 12. That's not how this works.

In my mock draft, I even mentioned the fringe first-round players, knowing I was going to go back to that list and try to perhaps jam them in, seeing who gets heat and gets steamed up in a couple weeks prior to the draft. Like, who do we lose, in your opinion, the first 12 picks? That's why I think Tibbs could be lost in the shuffle. That's why I think a receiver like Drake Lundin could be lost in the shuffle. That's why I think a receiver like Drake Lund could get lost in the shuffle because we're just trying to fit too many

at the same position in this spot. Yeah, I mean, I think that the two offensive linemen that are very difficult are, first, Charles Cross will come off the board before Trevor Penning does. But I think both of those guys are very challenging. You can see scenarios that make sense for Penning down the board.

If he wasn't to land in Seattle, for instance, very easy for him to get lost in the shuffle. If Stingley, for instance, goes to Seattle and then crosses a guy that based off of his game has been kind of difficult to peg to. Again, just more of an air raid, pass block guy versus someone that you could put in a run heavy system again, kind of crosses him off the list of Seattle.

For instance, if there happened to fall there, there are talks that the giants really like him. But again, if the giants really like him to your point, someone else is falling. So like it does get pretty cloudy here when we have like 15 guys for 10 spots.

I agreed. It was crossed to me. Sorry, Connor initially, but the fact that Brian Dable even came out, remember giants five and seven and said cross can play left tackle. We don't mind kicking Andrew Thomas to right tackle. Andrew Thomas's rookie year was an absolute disaster last year,

much improved so much. So I thought they'd go ahead and guarantee him the spot, but also remember different regime. Didn't draft Andrew Thomas. Don't mind moving around if that's necessary. And Cross, as we know, his last two years at college, two-year starter, exclusively left tackle. That's why he was such a tough fit for me inside the top 10.

But if Dable even says, screw it, like we're taking the best player and he's the best player, that's what we have to do, that makes sense because then you can leave over Evan Neal and Charles Cross if we assume they make it to like six and seven, and you say, we're taking a corner back at five, a clear need after getting rid of James Bradbury, most likely in the next week.

And then we're going to take the leftover offensive alignment. Cause that's what we're doing. So Connor, that's kind of where my head's at now. And I definitely don't want to leave cross out of the top 10. Yeah, no, I think that's a good point.

And so if we kind of look at the guys we've talked about so far and look at the top 10, I mean, you guys mentioned, you know, 15 players in the top 10 i think it's closer to like 12 13 we can go through real quick so we got aiden hutchinson trevon walker evan neal um you know i think thibodeau is almost certainly going the top 10 i know daigle doesn't think so but i would say that based on the odds right now that he's a very good bet to go in the top 10 uh sauce gardner derrick stingley mentioned is a great bet to go

in the top 10 then you have so that's seven right there. Then you're looking at a kind of a clump of guys, Garrett Wilson to over under 10 and a half Jermaine Johnson over under nine and a half Charles cross seven and a half Kyle Hamilton, 10 and a half. And then Jameson Williams, 12 and a half Drake London, 12 and a half as well. So that's like five to six guys that need to fit into three slots. Um, who gets left out? I think Jermaine Johnson, very interesting, uh, possibility gets left out. There was a lot of early buzz on him. Now I'm having a tough time finding a spot for him. I think that eight, maybe it would be like, you know, his ceiling. But again, you know, I think that he might be one, but do you guys have any takes on him?

So Connor, when i mentioned unprecedented draft and the money involved i swear it wasn't a shot it's that this situation right here and talking about like a jordan davis or jermaine johnson again the most at the most athletic profiles ever at their positions defensive tackle and linebacker respectively perhaps the falcons with so many needs across the board don't't get that Calvin Ridley replaced immediately. Perhaps the new regime factors in the best athlete of all time at that position. Unprecedented. Again, we have no idea. And so those are the players that sneak into the top 10 and screw it up because we're in untreaded territory. We have no idea what could happen in

this one spot that suddenly kicks Garrett Wilson out to number 10. Right. And then pushes receivers back. Like it's tough, man. It's really tough. Yeah, no, for sure. And, and, you know, obviously for the listeners who don't know, I, you know, you and I like to go back and forth and just, yeah, we're joking. Yeah. Yeah. There's no, uh, no real, uh, harm here, but, uh, yeah, I think that that's a good look. I mean, there's again, like, I don't know how the top 10 goes. And I think that, uh, to your point, embracing some of the volatility of this draft is super important. So being able to get early positions with a wide range of outcomes and have multiple outs for each thing. So something that I was looking at today I think is a great talking point.

Jordan Davis. I thought his under 14.5 was a little bit interesting because Houston has been rumored to him. And Daniel Jeremiah has gone on consistently about how Baltimore is his floor. He'd be a great fit at 14 to them, you know, yada, yada, yada. But I think that's kind of an issue.

Like there's one out, like you're banking on basically just Baltimore. You're banking on Baltimore and maybe Houston. So, I mean, does that make it a good play? Like, I don't think so. I think that you kind of need like that two to three outs where you're embracing the volatility of what if this happens?

Oh, okay. Well, we can still land at this spot. You know, like what if one of the, the Ravens top offensive lineman falls? Like what if crosses their guy?

You know, he's not, but you know, what if like Trevor Penning is like their number one offensive lineman, you know, and he's still there at 14, even though Jordan Davis is a great fit on paper. He's their number two player.

Like you're basically baking on one out. And that's something that you should be concerned about. Not only in this kind of like top 15 range, but like also in the top 20, I've been talking with a lot of our subs, kind of the same issue for all of those. And that's how I've been approaching it. Yeah, we get into that in the like top 32 market as well,

because it gets really cloudy. And I think we touched the base on this a little bit in the last episode when we were doing the mock is that it's not a top heavy draft, right? We don't have like the very clear cut number one quarterbacks or even, you know, two or three that we typically have. We have these situations where we're trying to find scenarios where there are options for these quarterbacks, maybe even in the top 32,

not even in the top 10. And then we get in these scenarios where we also have eight teams with multiple picks in the first round. So again, like, and we have these teams like Carolina, everyone knows that Carolina doesn't want to really make that pick at six. They do not have a second round pick. They do not have a third round pick. They would love to find a dance partner, get themselves out of there too. So there's again, lots of different ways here that one kind of scenario,

one speck of dust in here and the entire machinery falls apart, Dagle. Since we're in the heat of the show, I quickly want to shameless plug all these questions. I'm hoping to answer with everyone on tomorrow's, or if you're listening to this, today's Thursday's 444, the most accurate podcast, because we have ESPN's David Newton,

Panthers reporter coming on the show. We have New Orleans Saints' Nick Underhill joining the show. And we have LA Times' Gilbert Man, coming on the show. We have New Orleans Saints' Nick Underhill joining the show. And we have LA Times' Gilbert Manzano joining the show. All teams that I expect to at least try to trade. And I brought them on for this reason, because we are going to get to the bottom of what the hell is happening at those picks. So tomorrow's show. Stay tuned.

Next, over one and a half safeties. This is a position that is currently exclusive to Connor. Part of Deglan's, I think, hesitancy was around questions around who's labeled a cornerback. At least for me, that was a big issue. I do have Dax Hill as a first-round pick. I have a bet of him in the top 32. He is someone that can play slot corner. He can play

all over. He makes a lot of sense for Jordan Poyer, who is possibly in his last year in Buffalo, for instance, where he can slide in, play slot for a year, and then transition to a strong safety for them. It was really at the point where we were trying to decide on making this play with Connor was how are they going to label that? Is he going to be a defensive back? Is he going to be a cornerback? Is he going to be classified as a safety? Connor, this floor is yours. Yeah. So I think that something to clarify here and something that I actually got clarification on after our show last time, you know, we reach out to DraftKings, reach out to FanDuel and multiple other domestics. Contrary to last year's and other years prior, they will be going based off of what NFL.com says right now.

So they will not be going based off of what is announced. They have that in writing, you know, that is like in their rules and was also talked about with customer service. So, you know, there's multiple ways that, you know, we can get retaliation if they do decide not to do that. But the reality is they are going to go off of that. So Dax Hill, you know, he could certainly retaliation if they do decide not to do that. Um, but the reality is they are going to go off of that. So Dax Hill, you know, he could certainly be announced as a corner. I think you guys are right. Um, but now will be a safety in terms of this bet. Um, so now it really

comes down to Dax Hill first round. Um, and also Louis scene is in, in play here as well. He's been getting a lot of buzz, but you know, a lot of the buzz has been like, Oh, okay. Well, you know, he's a guy who could go in the first round or a guy who could be like slip into the bottom of the first round. That's not something that I really like to bet on, especially at, you know, we got this number at, I got this number at minus one 60, although it's a minus one 80. Um, now we're sitting at minus two 60 on over one and F safeties. Um, and then you're also betting on Daxton Hill, you know, Daxton Hill right now to be a first round pick is just minus one 35. Um, and Oh, actually minus one 60. We played it at a minus one 20 in some shops, I think minus one 35, regardless. I think that that's a better bet. If you really like Daxton Hill to go in the first round where you

liked over one and F safeties, but personally I'm getting a little bit concerned, uh, Noonan, I don't know. Do you have a take on this now? I was really bullish on Daxon Hill going in the first round. At this point, I'm kind of not souring. I just think it's closer to the odds that I got it at. I think it's like a minus 150, minus 160 type of odds. Now we're sitting at minus 260. I'm considering buying a little bit back on some of this position and getting some plus 200 on the other side and locking in a little bit of profit and then kind of letting the rest ride. Do you have any takes on Daxton Hill here or this market? I love Daxton Hill. I think he is a, I think he's a first round NFL talent. That's kind of what I was getting to is like, this is still, it's actually a decently deep draft and

a lot of teams want to get into this range because even though it's not top heavy with the quarterbacks and stars, this range I think is, is really nice. People want to have as many of these picks in like the, you know, 15 to 45 ranges they can, because there's maybe not a whole lot of things that can differentiate. We had a spot like not too long ago where they were, you know, a handful of other corners and even safeties that were getting mocked in the first round fairly often.

I just think that the position flexibility for Dex Hill is better than some of the other guys at the position. Booth, for instance, is a little bit limited and then has injury issues, whereas Hill can play safety or corner. And again, you can put him in the slot. I played a lot of slot at Michigan and did it very well. So I think some of the film grinders that I respect, definitely not something that I will pretend that I am. I mean, I like to watch football,

but to try to pretend that I am a film scout is definitely not something, and you should probably be reluctant to anyone that is doing that. I think that they really like Jackson Hill, some of that I respect. So I think that he finds himself with numerous outs in the back half of the first round um again i kind of pigeonholed him to buffalo in my mock draft but i think that's not his only out yeah no that's that's fair i also just real quick before dago i mean top 50 in daniel jeremiah's he's a 19 overall and daniel jeremiah's top 50, um, you know, has a extremely high RAS score, uh, over nine, ran a four, three, eight at the combine. Um, again, like you said, fits multiple schemes and fits. So I think that there are a ton of outs, even if they're not very clear. Um, but I guess that lack of clarity, you know, has me wavering a little bit. Um, Dago, what do you have on this?

Reminder, Connor came over for shrooms and lsd earlier and we listened to the jeremiah and bucky brooks move the sticks podcast where bucky brooks specifically used the sentence and i popped my head up like a gopher saying lewis scene is a player i can see sneaking into the end of the first round and i looked over at connor and he goes oh no because sneaking into the end of the first round. And I looked over at Connor and he goes, oh no, because sneaking into the first round is not minus 260, right? Like, so in Connor's defense, minus 150, you got CLV, you got your good number. But Daxon Hill, Louis Seen,

I still believe get shoved out of the first round because of the need at offensive line when you get to the 20s on between the Patriots, Cowboys, Packers, Bucks, and Bengals. I think they single-handedly push the two safety market out until day two, and that's where I stand. Yeah, and that's totally fair because I think that there are numerous outs, like you said, you get into some of those teams. But I think another spot for Dax Hill um again i don't think it's new england but in new england is they're often don't make the pick when they do it is

often surprising it is not always you know along the lines of your prototypical mock drafts and draft boards they definitely do their own thing they do love uh roster flexibility and some of those things so i think that again they do have a need at cornerback as well in the back half so i think that the patriots are out i mentioned buffalo i think uh there are two picks for the packers i don't think that they're going to go defensive back i think more likely you could see the chiefs of there to stay home take a defensive back with one of the two and Also, the Bengals, if they don't take an offensive lineman, I think they are very much in the realm of outs for secondary help as well. So I think that those are kind of the outs that Connor is definitely holding out for.

I'm in the same spot because I feel like I essentially have this in a different way because I have Dax Hill first round, even though I don't have over one and a half safety. So I'll take it from there. The out to both your points is the Patriots. That's kind of where I figured too. And it's solely because Hill was a full-time starter that also played special teams. And we know Belichick loves him.

Some all around athletes that play cornerback and safety and can gun on special teams. So that's pretty much your sneaky out right there. That's a good point like that. I didn't even consider that either. I mean, that's now you're adding some fuel to the fire. Now we're back, baby.

I'm not betting. Yeah, I mean, the Patriots are a real, again, first round wildcard. They could be a spot for a team that wants to move up from the bottom half or maybe, you know, leverage a second rounder to get into that quarterback mix. They could stay there, take an offensive lineman because they lost a couple in free agency. They like to have really six guys that they are comfortable starting at all times. So they need some depth there. And again, JC Jackson, pretty big loss there in free agency

on his way to the Chargers. So secondary help definitely in play for New England. Another one that we got down on early at a plus number which is very surprising in relation to what the market is now is over five and a half wide receivers we got that at i believe i plus 118 is the number that i have from mgm this is basically like minus 300 now uh but to dago's point there are some scenarios whether it's a debo samuel trade or uh some of these other situations where maybe there are some maybe outs for five receivers now. I don't know what you guys think here. You'll see a lot of mocks with seven. I feel good about having a plus number here.

I wouldn't bet into this at the current number at minus 200, minus 250, anything like that, Dagle. What are your thoughts on five and a half receivers? I still think six is the floor. So I still believe this number is safe. But Devo Samuel is a wrench in everyone's grand dislaid plans because if they were to trade him, and right now it doesn't sound like the 49ers

have any interest in trading him. We know he's demanding $25 million a year, whether that be on a three or four year deal. And we also know the 49ers have all the leverage in having him on the final year of his contract and then the potential to just slap him with the tag. He can't hold out for two years, right? And so as long as they stay steadfast, nothing's going to happen. And you would imagine it dies because there's really nothing to trade him for after the draft. So you're going to know

in nine days and it's going to die. But if Debo were traded, that's where it gets messed up. Otherwise, right now I have seven wide receivers mocked in the first round. That includes one going to Kansas City at 29 or 30, whether you think it's Pickens, Dotson, or Watson. Noonan, I'm not sure how many you have, but yes, six floor, eight ceiling is what I've been projecting it at for the last month and a half, two months. Yeah, I mock seven. I'd probably trade out one of them and put in a new receiver, but I would also just make it a receiver.

Everyone, if you ask around, even like the top three drafted, everyone has something different. Yeah, so I think it is seven because of the needs. Again, not mocking any trades, having people stay where they currently are. Again, it is a position that teams have started to value. Again, seeing how these guys are. Again, it is a position that teams have started to value. Again, seeing how

these guys are getting paid, being able to have a guy in under team control for five years at a fairly nice number based off of what the current market is for free agents. The Debo thing is tricky because the Debo thing is not only the draft equity, you got to pay him. So to give up a first or some stuff next year and a first, whatever that looks like, and then you got to pay him. So like to give up a first or, you know, some stuff next year and a first, whatever that looks like. And then you have to pay him three, four years, 20,

25 million. Like that is a huge haul versus kind of staying where you're at and taking your shot and hoping you find a Debo who was landing in the second round for the Niners. So again, this is a deep, talented receiver draft. So I I'm interested to see how that shakes up and they don't seem like

they're open to really hearing anything again. I think Albright today had said, you know, the early temperature on it is that they're the ask is what you would expect it to be for a team. That's very reluctant to, to trade them to begin with. What are your thoughts here,

Connor? Obviously we got in and a pretty good number to have close to, you know, plus one 20 on this. Yeah. So you mentioned some wide receiver needy teams, just looking at the last 12 picks alone, you're looking at new England, green Bay twice. You just got rid of Devante Adams, Kansas city twice. You just got rid of Tyree kill. And then Arizona who's apparently eyeing wide receivers as we noticed today and Tennessee. I think that those are all very legitimate options for wide receivers to go. And I expect, you know, that kind of core five of Williams, Olave, Burks, Wilson, and London to all

go in the top 20. I think that even Burks probably will find sway into the top 20 current over under his 22 and a half. I think his absolute floor is the Cowboys at 24. And even then, I think that that leaves plenty of room for a guy like Jahan Dotson, who I think is my pick to sneak into the end of the first round. Um, I think that there's other guys too for a guy like Jahan Dotson, who I think is my pick to sneak into the end of the first round. I think that there's other guys too. I mean, George Pickens could certainly go. There's, you know, Bob McGinn splashed a little bit of cold water on the Christian Watson love today, you know,

with executives ranking him the 11th ranked wide receiver in this class, saying that none of them had a first round grade on him. And that is actually, Daniel Jeremiah has noted that as well. You know, again, that's not the end all be all. All it takes is one team. He's very athletic. that none of them had a first-round grade on him. And that is actually, Daniel Jeremiah has noted that as well. Again, that's not the end-all, be-all. All it takes is one team. He's very athletic, but basically they were citing that he doesn't have production. And even though he played with a top-three pick

in Trey Lance for a little bit, and he's a multi-year starter, but again, he played against guys who were running four sixes, four sevens at the top end. So obviously that could, I mean, he still didn't have that much production. So that's still kind of like, that's kind of the issue from a lot of NFL teams.

So I personally don't think he's gonna be in the first round. But at the same time, I think Dotson pickings both very, very live to make it in the first round. When you're sifting through this bet, you're not arguing the names you are doing the, the number of them, right?

Yeah. So what do you think Watson or not? Cool. If you want to sneak in you know Dotson like you said instead that does that part doesn't matter yeah no and I think Dotson's actually a pretty good bet now too instead of taking over five and a half first-round wide receivers I think you can get a guy like Dotson at under 32 and a half like minus 120 um you know I think that he seemingly is the most likely out of that group to be in the first round pick but I think you'd

also make a case for pickens to a plus money. You'd also bet both. I think that they're both very alive there. But I think those would probably be my two picks if I had to pick two. I agree with Daniel's point. I think that the player discussion is fun because there are different ways to get it. Whereas, you know,

we saw today, Greg Cassell, Matt Bowden, who I respect a ton to really enjoy their stuff. They had Pickens as the number one receiver in this class. These are not guys that are like, I don't know, these aren't just any dudes. These are like legit.

These are the film grinders. These are like the class of the class of the film grinders. Thinking of like the way that a lot of teams run a lot of, you know, three split one receiver sets, whereas Pickens is a prototypical guy that you could put in the x by himself on the outside that's a pretty interesting thing when you think about what the build is and how the packers typically draft athletically especially in the first round what they're looking at from a receiver standpoint pickens kind of fits that mold a little bit more so than a

dawson i think dawson's going to be a good pro. Like he got a shit ton of targets at Penn States, barely dropped any of them, uh, is kind of electric and getting open, not a big body receiver though. So I have a hard time putting him to green Bay. But again, if the, if the chiefs aren't able to move up a little bit into the first round and stay home and address the receiver position there, I think Dotson makes a ton of sense there. I like to see him in that offense quite a bit. I believe I will probably replace Watson, even though the Chiefs value speed. I mean, they drafted Mikko Hardman,

and he didn't even play slot receiver at Georgia until his sophomore year. Like, he was a late bloomer, still learning the business, and they didn't care. They still put emphasis on him for his speed. Same for Watson, who has the sixth fastest 40 among this class. But I think I will shove Dotson at the end if we're nitpicking here. The only issue is that he is going to be 22 on draft day

and was a late breakout, really didn't do anything, emerged until his junior year. That's always concerning for prospects. But again, maybe teams don't view that as well. Whereas Watson had, what, 52 career games? And he didn't play a single career game against F against FBS competition. Like, so he's just, and he had a, he had a 13% drop, uh, drop rate. So like he's totally untested. Yeah. Um, I mean also Noonan, you know,

who the, their number two receiver was Jameson Williams. Um, but so yeah i think the pickens point too i mean pickens was like a devy darling you know he had 730 yards as a freshman at georgia in the sec and from there his career only downturned but you know again like he showed some talent early on like i think that he's very very alive in the first as well yeah it's an interesting draft i think that there are definitely better ways to cause point to get into this versus you know laying the 250 275 that's out there you know maybe taking a play on pickens top 32 i think is plus 150 i think that's very interesting uh could be a different way to go about it first quarterback market is one that is something that i struggled with doing in my mock table i don't know about you uh, there is kind of the lazy, maybe that's not fair.

There's a lot of discussion around the Panthers at six taking a quarterback. Typically, it's Kenny Pickett. I think there are a lot of issues with that for a number of reasons. But we know that a quarterback, I don't know, maybe we don't. Maybe this is a very interesting take. Doesn't go in the first round. I feel like one probably does. I just don't know where they go.

It is very common. Daniel, you know this in your draft. The Steelers, we typically have a pretty good sense of who they're taking in the first round. Before that first round happens annually, it happens multiple times in the last four or five years. Willis has been kind of the guy that it looks like Tomlin is in love with. You know, Google AIs and pro days and all those things. They want to get mobile. Very, very, like, natural fit to start with Mitchell Trubisky, a mobile quarterback, right?

At least a quarterback that is, you know, able to create outside the pocket, do things off script, uh, and not really have to rearrange your offense when you want to slide a rookie quarterback like Malik Willis into the offense. Uh, what are your thoughts on the first quarterback drafted market? As you mentioned, we have no doubts that the Steelers are going to take Malik Willis. Really? The question is, do the Panthers take him at six or do they trade back and take him? The good news is, if they are honed in, and again, I get to ask David Newton

and Nick Underhill this tomorrow, so I'm very excited because I've tried to get to the bottom of this. But if the Panthers are infatuated outside of quarterback, it's clearly going to be offensive line and they will have that option at six, maybe with Icky,

but certainly with either Evan Nealal or charles cross and so that's kind of where i keep coming back to is maybe they stay put after all but if they drop back and take picket for mock draft sake and i shouldn't say this because i don't want noonan to get more points than me but if i pin picket to six overall to the panthers i still get the points for player team fit so i may just i may just do it anyways and say screw it because I also think putting trades in your mock is a fool's errand. So I still think they can trade back. The question is if they trade back, do they trade back for Pickett knowing they can get him before the Steelers?

And then the second question is do the Saints take him if all tackles are taking if he's the best player available on their board. So those are the two things I'm trying to figure out, Panthers and Saints in terms of Pickett. Otherwise, no doubt in my mind, wheels to the Steelers at 20. Yeah, I mean, something I keep coming back to, though, with Pickett at six is that it's in Matt Rule's contract

that he has the final decision on all personnel. And so when you kind of look at that, if they're going to, like a head coach does not trade back and be like, oh, we'll let the quarterback come to us. You know, like that to me, I think that there's actually, like the more that I think about it, like a very low chance of that happening, even if hypothetically they could do that.

I think that's just like a, that's like a fantasy analyst, like mindset. And I, or like, just like, I think that it's a hypothetical scenario that certainly could work out, but how often do we really see that happen? I mean, I, again, I think that if they really want the guy, they're probably going to just stay put and take it. And if they don't really want him, they could trade back, but they probably just, they probably just don't really like him that much.

If they don't like him at six, then even if they move back to the saints at say 16 to 19, I mean, are they really think they move back to the saints, it's a 16 to 19. I mean, are they really think they're going to pick, take him there? Like, I guess maybe, but are you that stoked about having a guy that you didn't want at six? I guess if you know that you can get them there,

that's great. But I feel like guys like this, especially rule who is, I think on the hot seat, it's not going to take a chance if he really does like him. And if he doesn't like him, then why would he take him at 16 or 19? If he's just going to ruin his chances either way.

So I don't know. That's kind of my take on it. Um, as it relates to the Panthers, I've gone back and forth on this, I mean, 50 times in the last two weeks, because you bring up some great points. Josh Norris brings up some great points in terms of what they're doing. Um, I personally, at this point, don't know. I think that they probably stand Pat and take an offensive lineman. But again, I, I don't know. I mean, I'm just trying to think through all these scenarios and just, I I don't know I mean I'm just trying to think through all these scenarios and just you just don't see that scenario very often I mean it's it's lovely theoretically and I think we heard Jeremiah talk about it today like they

want picket plus they want to get picket still they love to be able to add a second or you know a third that they don't currently have because they believe they pick six and then 137. so again the team that has a lot of needs needs to fill those guys you you need starters at the second and third round so they need to get those picks theoretically you have to have a team to move up so are there a do they have a dance partner is there someone out there that someone wants to move up for typically when you move up into the first round it's for a quarterback so in this scenario we're talking about a team looking to get out of the first round and still get the quarterback that they want.

And this is a very unusual thing. I don't really know what that scenario is. And then everyone in the league knows that Carolina is trying to get out of that position. They are definitely not dealing from a position of power. They are kind of under leveraged here too. If they don't back out, it's going to be their choice. I cannot imagine with so much steam around Jameson Williams

and the cornerback market, I cannot imagine every team from the Vikings maybe, the Chargers for sure, the Chiefs, the Saints perhaps, the Cardinals. I cannot imagine they won't have six to eight offers ready to go immediately. And so it'll be their own doing. Yeah, I forgot what my next point was, but yeah. Uh, I mean, that's part of it. Yeah. So as it relates to this market, I think you brought up a good point. So we know that the Steelers like him, right. But right now Malik Willis is minus one 40 to be the first QB drafted. Can he pick it as plus money

in this market? And so who picks him first? You know, like we're confident the Steelers will pick him at 20 if he's there. I think that's pretty safe. But if he falls out of the top 10, would they consider trading up to 12 maybe to get him with the Vikings or 13 with the Texans? They've shown interest in moving back. I mean, even 10 to the Jets, they've shown some interest in moving back. All of that kind of range there very much seems like they could be trading up for him because, or they're just that confident that they're going to get Malik Willis and not

have to give up any equity. But I mean, that's some serious confidence that they will get him there. So I think that's viable too. At the end of the day, though, I'm not playing this market. We have some plus money. We bet this at plus 140. Again, I have a quarter of a position on what normally I would for the other bets, but I'm considering buying out of even half of that at plus money and just hedging in some profit on Kenny Pickett because this is a super volatile market. Also, I want to relate this really quickly back to 2013 draft. I was just thinking about this. So people have related it back to that, right? With Gino Smith and EJ Manuel were the two quarterbacks. Even a day or two before the draft.

I don't know why I distinctly remember this. Gino Smith was being five years old. Yeah. Gino Smith was being mocked in the top five consistently because the NFL, because those guys were like the media members were like, well, a quarterback has to go in top five or quarterback has to go in the top 10. You know, like, like I know the league has changed since then. You know, I know that the league has become more quarterback driven, but at the same time,

like the media almost kind of, you know, wrote like raise their draft positions and made it seem like, yeah, I guess you're right. Like quarterback should have to go there. These teams need a quarterback. This is the best prospect. Like they're going to pick him. Um, but I think this is a pretty similar scenario where like a guy like Malik Willis, sure he is upside, but does, I mean, his floor is super low, you know, very little experience

guy like Kenny Pickett pro ready, but very little upside. It seems like no arm talent. I mean, that's kind of like, you know, where, where should those guys really go? I mean, that's, that's kind of the thing. So I think that this could be like a, I mean, Gino Smith fell out of the first round. He attended the red draft and he fell out of the first round, if I remember correctly. So if I may play devil's advocate, or maybe I'm even agreeing with you.

In 2013, they also didn't realize, or it wasn't happening, that 2014, that 32 GMs knew it was going to be the next great class, where everyone is shuffling, knowing all the bad teams are shuffling, knowing they're waiting for their quarterback next year. That's why no one wants a quarterback in this draft.

Not only because they have huge blemishes, but like Kenny Pickett, one-year wonder, Sam Howe injured, but Sam Howe also lost four NFL players in his starting offense until his final year that out of nowhere became a rushing quarterback. Malik Willis has the lowest completion rate under pressure of this entire quarterback class. Also a small school quarterback who didn't fare well. Two and three, four games against ACC, and then one against the SSC where he was just absolutely murdered. There are just so many red marks with this, whereas everyone, like I mentioned earlier, knows next year is the great class.

And so knowing that it's also a hearsay league, it's a sheep league, like everyone's kind of positioning, knowing their friends are positioning for the CJ Strauss of the world. That's my issue. And so I still think we get one, if not two, knowing the lions are probably going to poach us at 32, but pick it again to the saints or Panthers. That is my point. That's where I'm sticking. The saints thing is interesting, right? Because I am of the mindset that if the saints truly roll on at a quarterback and they want to get in this mix of quarterbacks that when they made that trade they probably would have done so to get higher now they would make a good point like they very much could be playing the game of best player on

our board and they could sit there and say yeah we weren't necessarily making the trade to do that we needed to get some receiver talents because we don't have a lot besides michael thomas we need to replace terry armstead who went to miami there's numerous offensive linemen that make a lot of sense here we can get back into the playoff mix it's not a strong division carolina atlanta like we have some some wins we can get back into the playoff mix quickly but if they happen to have a decent grade on kenny pickett if they like malikik Willis and they want to cuck the Steelers before the Steelers pick, they have two opportunities to do so. So very interested to see what happens with the Saints.

I don't think they're in a spot to trade up. People have talked about, hey, the Saints have two firsts. They can make a play. I don't think that that's what's going to happen there, but they very much could have a high grade and can be playing coy, sit there and let someone follow them and uh and swipe up so desmond ritter i believe we took um i don't know i took a 25 to 1 to be first quarterback just because i thought it was an interesting speculative number uh he had been gaining some

some steam i don't think that he goes ahead of willis or pickett theoretically but i had a really hard time placing pickett in my mock draft if I didn't put him to Carolina. So I thought about the Carolina thing from a mock draft standpoint, because I do think that there's a possibility that he still lands there. But again, like I don't want that name in the top six because there are so many other guys that I like in there. So it's definitely an interesting thing. It is unusual. As you mentioned, we have, you know, Young and Stroud year is is pretty much at this point figured to be consensus lot top fives uh richardson out of florida i think is another guy that's going to

find his way into the first round too so definitely a better quarterback class than than we have here connor yeah i mean so i guess you know kind of going off that like you said you wouldn't be surprised if no quarterbacks go in the first round we're pretty confident that two go right now the over under on quarterbacks at some shops is three and a half. You're laying a little bit of juice on the under minus one 75. Um, but I mean, to me, that seems like a good bet. Uh, I mean, that would require both Desmond Ritter and Matt Corral making it in the first round. In addition to Kenny Pickett and Malik Willis. I mean, if we think that even if we think both of those guys fall out of the top 10 i mean that is a jam-packed second half of the first round picking of those these teams picking quarterbacks and as you guys

mentioned if we know that next year's class is loaded i mean it seems pretty far-fetched to seem that all of those guys go to lose the bet uh in that the back after the second round so i think that's actually becoming closer and closer to playable territory for me. Um, you know, I already had a small position on that, like minus one 30, but I mean, even a minus one 60 minus one 70, I think it's, it's interesting. Yeah. Not a spot for player evaluation, but I think Matt Corral might be good. Decent. It'd be interesting. I don't think he's bad. I don't think his D ball stuff is not very good. If you look at some of the numbers there, uh, he also lost some talent there in his uh you know sophomore to junior years he's just really small and loves to run so like i don't know that he stays healthy

but i don't know that he's uh necessarily bad at football so these guys are all like like backup quarterbacks though like i mean like like really like are you i mean are you drafting like a backup quarterback in the end of the first round like when you can get like a true like a day one starter the issue for corral is that you would be wasting or not waste. You'd be using high draft capital on a question mark. Not saying he can't do it, but he's never proven it. Like the last two years in her lane,

Kiffin 60% play action rate, uh, led the nation last year with a fifth, most passing yards on screens. Like he was strictly a, when you get pressure, you make your first read and dump the ball off. That's all he did.

So I just don't know. And I don't know if anyone would spend a first round capital on him. Tennessee has been linked to him. That's why I think Ritter's the one who sneaks in because he's the one who teams feel like at least progressed every single year and has shown NFL tendencies, both with his arms and reads. Yeah. Yeah. Which I think is, makes a lot of sense. Hef is here, joined very late.

Can I interest you in Titans taking a quarterback? Yeah. I mean, have I mocked Kenny Pickett there in my first mock draft? I think there are thoughts there. They can get out of some big money on Tannehill after next year. That makes sense. Again, that's, I think that they could but i also feel like that feels like a spot we're looking to find a home for quarterbacks versus does that make a

lot of sense for the titans on draft day considering where they're at they're still in a winnable spot in the division coming off of another playoff berth so uh yes and no again the quarterback thing i think is is really hard last uh last two uh first quarterback to be drafted don't feel like there's a core a running back going in the first round daigle unless there's i think the only team that's been really talked about here would be the bills uh from all accounts breeze uh breeze hall is very special he's going to be someone that we are excited to draft in fantasy leagues, in best ball leagues, to play in DFS. I think the mindset of where we're at from a positional value standpoint is very much changed slowly over the last five to ten years.

Brees Hall ten years ago, Brees Hall 15 years ago, is a surefire top 15 pick. The way that we kind of allocate draft capital these days, not so much. There's actually a decent draft for some running backs. And Brees Hall, I do think is the bell of the ball, Diggle. We know the Bills have prioritized explosiveness. That's what they've been looking for when adding running backs. Zach Moss and Devin Singletary, they drafted for their broken tackle rates. Little did they realize, they discovered, little did they realize the broken tackle rate doesn't matter when you run horizontally afterwards.

So they keep on, like with Matt Breida signing, they keep on just looking for splash plays to help out their passing game, to open it up. We saw the Jags numerous times, whether it be the Patriots in the regular season, the Jaguars, many other games, just get stunted by two-eye safety because they had zero running game and no team respected them, just sending four rushers and getting there every time.

And now, after the Bills tried to add a specific player in J.D. McKissick, pay him more money than Washington, before McKissick backed out and went back to Washington, we now have a player that not only fits that profile in Brees Hall averaging 27 catches per season but that also brings that explosiveness with him his 41 touchdowns the past two seasons are five more than any other running back in college football in that span and also just to be a workhorse and having 531 carries the past two years while also running a 43940

at 217 pounds, that's massive. That's truly a workhorse. And the argument is they were a forward-thinking organization. And I am definitely along for the ride with that argument. Perhaps, though, the double-edged sword is that they are so forward-thinking. They understand, in hindsight, they played the league's easiest schedule last year and they still struggled for 10 games, 12 games out of the gates

until they opened up their offense, which by the way, they also know no longer is connected to Brian Dable. What happens with his offense? So they could easily still be trying to make life easier with a three down running back with all the skill and explosiveness like Brees Hall has constantly showed.

And so I'm a 50, 50 right now. I don't know what I'm going to do in my final mock, but we basically have one out to the bills. And I, I think there's a great chance we get there. I'm just not sure yet. What do you think here, Connor? Yeah. So I actually just wrote up an article on this first running back draft. It's a right now Brees Hall is minus two 50 to be the first running back drafted. I think that's really rich. I think that he's by far the best prospect. But to be honest, like at the end of the first round and even into the second round, like

this position becomes so much more volatile. We saw in the last few years, Clyde Edwards Hilaire leaped over Jonathan Taylor. I mean, we've seen it, you know, periodically where would it be that crazy if a guy like Kenneth Walker was drafted over Brees Hall if they both made it into the second round, I think that that's very, very much in play. And now part of the issue here is if you're going to, if the only out and something that we've seen here has been like basically Buffalo bills or bus is the only out for a running back in the first round.

We kind of look at, at least in my opinion, maybe there's some other one that I'm missing, but I think that's probably, would be the only other one. Yeah. Maybe the Cardinals. Exactly. Yeah. So maybe the Cardinals or bills right now. You can get the bills to draft a running back in the first round at plus 600. So rather than laying the minus two 50 or the plus one 30 on over one and a half running back or over half a running back drafted, which is the current line right now, it's a, you know, Oh, plus one 30 on over like minus one 80 on zero running backs drafted. Um, I think the plus 600 is a much better way to approach it.

And then if you're betting on this specific market, the first running back drafted, I think Brees Hall is probably the first running back drafted. But again, if he doesn't go to Buffalo, I think all bets are off. Second round, I have no idea. Like all it takes is one team deciding that they like, you know, a more pure runner in Kenneth Walker.

And that's what they need over a guy like Brees Hall. Or, you know, someone there, James Cook got some buzz in some circles as like, you know, an Alvin Camara type role, you know, maybe not at that level as a prospect, but like using him in that kind of role, he's like 40 to one. I mean, again, I'm not betting either of those. I'm just saying that I would preach caution on betting Brees Hall at like minus two 50 to be the first running back drafted. Yeah. I like the team fits. You can be careful with that. Cause that can get a little dicey. And if he doesn't go early,

he doesn't go in the first round to the Buffalo. He's probably not happening. So yeah, I mean, I think the thing about Brees Hall and, you know, Ken Murray did test better than people were thinking. I just think Brees Hall maybe is one of those,

I don't want to say generational running backs, but I think again, if this draft was back in the day, very much Brees Hall is a buzzy, noteworthy guy that's going super early. And I think the league has kind of caught on and the way that we value the position in general has fallen off quite a bit. Last one, Tyler Smith to be selected in the first round. A lot of buzz on Smith as we've gotten in this process. We took him, I believe we did, I did, at plus 250 to be a first-round pick. That has dropped now to, I believe, plus 120 at DraftKings.

Rumors to New Orleans, it made a lot of sense to Smith. And again, we get into a spot where there are a lot of sense to smith and again we get into a spot where um there are a lot of tackle offensive linemen specific heavy teams in the back half of the draft smith has been an ascending player who has kind of a mean streak to him people like him smaller school at tulsa so maybe not the buzz uh you know that we were thinking part partially why you get the number uh but some scouts love him and some teams in particular. Again, New Orleans makes a lot of sense. We talked about Armstead.

They need to replace him. We've gone down the line here with Dallas, Green Bay, more so Tampa Bay, Cincinnati. All these teams are very much in the market for an offensive lineman. The reason he falls out here is because there are a lot of other guys that are in the mix that are in this late tier of first offensive first round offensive lineman daigle so thoughts here on smith is it still bettable to you at plus 120 patriots cowboys packers bingles bucks that's why i have tyler linderbaum who won the remingtonrophy for the nation's best

center, squeezed into the back of the first round. That's why I have Tyler Smith in the first round as well. Having said that, even though I'm confident about them two and Zion Johnson and Kenyon Green sneaking in here, I'm not betting it because there are, again, far too many names. Again, go look at my mock draft at the very bottom, fringe first round players. I think I put 10 there because literally you see guys that in expert mocks are 48% of the time, 52% of the time in first rounds, because we're just trying to squeeze a number of players in. And so Tyler Smith is part of that range we're squeezing, but given the needs, especially in the back with the Bucks and the Bengals, like you mentioned Noonan. Bucks, it's massive just because

Alex Kappa, of course, bolted forinnati and then you have ollie marpet who retired this year so right now the buck starting left guard in front of tom freaking brady is aaron skinny he only played 86 snaps at left guard last year that's not gonna fly that's not happening they're protecting brady with their first pick we know that he is the gm and then for the bingles it just makes so much sense because after a it j's literally immaculate what they did to revamp that offensive line. One weak link, Jackson Carman at left guard. They have Ted Karras, who we know plays interior, not just center but interior. If they take Tyler Smith, they can just kick out – or Linderbaum for that instance.

They can just kick out Karras to left guard. They put Linderbaum or Smith in the interior. They're just kick out across the left guard. They put Linderbaum or Smith in the interior. They're just fine. And then you suddenly have Kappa you stole from the Bucks as well as Lyle Collins on the right side. Just amazing job. And so it completes their one weakness last year. And so I think it makes too much sense to leave Tyler Smith out of the first round. I agree, Connor. What are your thoughts? Did you get down on the 250? I think you did. I did. Yeah, I did. I did. And I like it. I think that plus 120, again, you're, you laid out a great case of why this is, I think

a lot closer to a 50, 50 bet. So if you're looking at a 50% implied, you know, probability, you're looking at like an even, uh, at plus 120, that technically makes this a value. You know, obviously I don't love it after we got down to plus 200, but I still think it's certainly, certainly in play. I think that something you should consider day and you've made a great point for it, would be, you know, the over-under and the number of offensive linemen. You know, something that, you know, you've kind of made me think about here.

I don't have the exact number. I believe it's seven and a half in the first round. That seems high, but, you know, you made a great point on the amount of teams that kind of need offensive linemen. And just off the top, we're looking at Aquanu, Neal, Cross, Penning, Linderbaum. As you mentioned, Zion Johnson, you mentioned Kenyon Green, Tyler Smith. I mean, we're already at eight right there. So, you know, I think that that's like, and that was just literally off the top of my head. I think that there's one or two that could also sneak in as well. So yeah, I think

that that's an interesting way to play this as well. If you're considering, you know, anything, any other kind of derivative action on this. Yeah, 7.5 is an interesting number. To Diggle's point, there are so many outs, and there are a lot of reasons that teams can shift here in the back half. Projecting out in the back half of the first gets super-duper tricky, especially when we know that could be the range for teams training back up to solidify that fifth year on the quarterback that slides, someone that wants really any of the quarterbacks we talked about

that we think that could be available here late in the first. It could be all of them. So it gets a little tricky. I do think Smith is maybe a little bit ahead of some of those other guys. But again, it could be preference. It could be fits. It could be versatility. I do think that the Bengals thing is interesting.

I'm excited about it. We will be back. Mock draft point 2.0. fits um it could be you know versatility i do think that the bangles thing is interesting i'm excited about it um we will be back mock draft point 2.0 uh vr coming i believe probably with daigle would probably be the wednesday before the draft will probably be at least for me probably be picks only uh very little written content with it at this point. But again, we'll definitely have that. What's going into the competitions mock coming out before we go live next Thursday. So we'll be back on Tuesday, right? Tuesday? It is Tuesday for the big show.

The big show. We always typically bring on three guests. Now we stole one permanently. Daigle is part of the family here, but we'd be joined by Evan Silva of establish the run and Joey Kanish lions, pride.org. Big,

big mock draft grinder. Kanish here to antagonize all of us. We can get conditions takes at a number two with the lions and 32 as well in the first round to get some of the insights here from him it's always entertaining so um anything else boys uh anything else that we need to pub let you know connor's been pumping out lots of great content on the site uh most of it if all of it is not i believe i believe it's all free connor444.com yeah no it's all free i've broken broken down all the position markets so far. And then I'm,

I have one coming out tomorrow on my favorite top 32 picks. And so, I mean, just kind of like breaking down some of the markets there as well. So yeah, I think that's, I mean, I'll probably have a couple more,

maybe, maybe I'll slide in. I'll probably tweet out a mock draft. I don't really want to write up all of the, you know, all every single player like you guys did. That seems like a little bit aggressive amount of work, considering I wrote up all the players already in the position totals

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That was the bold prediction here. What do we got from Dane? Pennington round one, minus 500 and retire early. We know someone that did that. I don't know if he's going to be able to retire off of it. Hopefully he's able to use it to get married. He'll need that money for that. But yeah, Penning is minus 500.

Probably the surest fire first round pick that's being booked out there currently on D on draft Kings. Yeah. Daigle's going to have lots of good stuff for you over on team app tomorrow. So definitely check that out. Also again, subscribe, move the line.

Don't want to miss that. We'll be back next week on Tuesday, Kanish and Silva, and we'll fire off all of our final draft takes there. So for Connor and Daigle, I'm Ryan. We'll see you all of our final draft takes there. So for Connor and Diggle, I'm Ryan. We'll see you all very soon. Thanks. you