Move The Line - 2023 NFL Mock Draft Takeaways & Betting Line Movement

Episode Date: March 23, 2023

Connor Allen, Ryan Noonan & Scott Smith critique the recent 2023 NFL Mock Drafts from Mel Kiper Jr. and Daniel Jeremiah, going over the biggest discrepancies, how they impact betting markets, and more! Is Will Levis really going to go 19th overall? How will Pro Days impact draft stock? Those questions and more were answered!Timestamps:0:00 INTRO4:44 Daniel Jeremiah’s Latest NFL Mock Draft5:44 What Bryce Young at 1.01 Looks Like 7:15 Ohio State Pro Day11:05 Mel Kiper Mock Draft Trade Takeaways17:25 Will Levis Infatuation 21:12 Jalen Carter Stock Watch26:54 Raiders, Falcons, Bears NFL Draft Plans33:31 How To Read Mock Drafts34:55 What Are The Titans & Jets Going To Do In The Draft?39:16 Patriots Draft Plans44:12 Commanders, Steelers & Bucs Draft Leans50:33 Are The Seahawks Drafting a WR at 20 Overall?52:57 Chargers Leaning WR?56:39 Where Is Hendon Hooker Going?59:17 Cowboys Draft Possibilities1:00:35 Dalton Kincaid vs. Michael Mayer1:04:44 End Of Draft Sleeper & OutroSHOW NOTES:Subscribe to 4for4's Betting Package 👉🏼  https://www.4for4.com/plansDeposit $15 With Promo Code 4FOR4 On Vivid Picks To Get A 3-Month 4for4 Subscription 👉🏼 https://4for4.co/3ZScKvsFollow 4for4 on Twitter 👉🏼  https://twitter.com/4for4footballFollow 4for4 Bets on Twitter 👉🏼  https://twitter.com/4for4betsFollow Move the Line on Twitter 👉🏼  https://twitter.com/MoveTheLineNFLFollow Connor on Twitter 👉🏼  https://twitter.com/ConnorAllenNFLFollow Ryan on Twitter 👉🏼  https://twitter.com/RyNoonanFollow Scott on Twitter 👉🏼  https://twitter.com/scottsmithffVisit our Website 👉🏼  https://www.4for4.com/Join our Discord 👉🏼  http://discord.gg/4for4Subscribe to our YouTube Channel 👉🏼  https://4for4.co/3OupraJ4for4 Betting Strategy Hub 👉🏼  https://4for4.co/3hm39cw4for4 Betting Picks 👉🏼  https://4for4.co/3LUp0EaRead Scott’s Mock Draft 👉🏼 https://4for4.co/3IuTxbsRead Connor's Mock Draft 👉🏼 https://4for4.co/3lwMacb 

We are just five weeks away from NFL Draft Eve, and three of the top four quarterbacks in the draft have their Pro Day this week. We've recently released mock drafts from Daniel Jeremiah and Mel Kuyper. We've shifted the top of the board odds a bit. We'll likely continue to see a shift over the next few days when the Pro Day details roll in. Today on Move the Line, we're going to break down the Jeremiah and Kuyper mocks and the live line movement that has followed. Cue the music! Hello and welcome to Move the Line. Ryan Noonan, joined here as always by my fellow draft aficionados,

Connor Allen, Scott Smith. Connor, start with you. Just released mock draft number two. Five weeks away, buddy. We're getting there. Yeah, it feels good. We also got word from some people at DraftKings that they will be releasing more markets this week.

So if you're listening to this later in the week, hopefully these are already up. That's exciting news. I was getting a little bit worried they weren't going release many markets but I'm pumped because the more markets the more money we can make yeah we are recording uh here on a Wednesday morning-ish uh and just for context because this is a very fluid time of year we mentioned at the top we have pro days starting this week and I know Scott Smith is ready for that Scott how we doing good good good man getting through this last little bit of cold spell uh down here in louisiana which is which i would

probably call normal weather where y'all are at but look man i'm pumped up man these pro days are coming i think uh there's gonna be a window here to to go ahead and play some bets over next 24 to 48 hours with uh the quarterbacks hitting the field and the media which is gonna go crazy with the superlatives, you know, pumping up some of these guys. But you've had some market movement there at the top with C.J. Stroud's numbers kind of getting a little bit more friendly. And look, man, it's time.

This is where the ball starts rolling and the momentum keeps going. And, you know, some of these markets are actually starting to open up with some player-to-team props and things of that nature so it's time it's time to get going yeah the over-unders i think are because i feel like i've multiple times in the last couple of shows have been a wet blanket a little bit like oh pause don't rush into anything i feel like early opening over unders if you've been grinding and if again if you've been listening to the show you've been consuming uh scott and connor's mocks on the site, the Jeremiah mock, the Kuiper mock, all the stuff that we've had today,

if you're in it, there is an advantage getting in really early on some of these over-unders. I think that there are some advantages to get into some really nice closing line value in terms of where things are going to be five weeks from now based off of where we're at. So I think using some of these mocks to guide, especially some names that we see at the tail end of drafts, guys that are falling out, guys that are falling down,

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betting we have an insane uh plethora of tools for you to get access to so producer sal if you bring up the mocks we're gonna kind of walk through uh some of the differences some of the things that are similar in terms of what mel kyber jr is mocked out there and daniel jeremiah um i think at the top we should acknowledge the jeremiah mock connor because i think we all really trust daniel jeremiah and what he does his connections his mock drafts um somewhat has stated that this mock in particular is maybe a little unique uh i don't really know how to say the right way but maybe not necessarily exactly what he thinks or what he's hearing, but a little bit of a kind of fuck around and find out kind of mock. Yeah.

I mean, so he talked about it on another podcast right after he released the mock and said that he wanted to quote, try out some different scenarios at different spots. And I think that's what a lot of what we see here. My initial reaction to his latest mock was that it's not something we should put a ton of stock into, but it is again,

another kind of just like thought process here and thinking through some of the picks if they go a different way. And so like he even mentioned at the top here with the first overall pick, he is Bryce young Mel Kiper is CJ Stroud. He mentioned about Bryce young that he wanted it to just see what it looked like if you put Bryce young at the top and that he would pick Bryce young at the top, but it's not necessarily what he's hearing with Young going number one. And I think that's an important distinction for a guy like Jeremiah, who normally is super keyed in, normally is very, very accurate with his mock drafts and a guy that you should pay attention to. But I guess for this mock, it's just one of those things that we need to not necessarily take it with a grain of salt, but take everything into

that context of, okay, he's just trying a lot of different things out here. Even if a lot of picks are something that he would definitely do, I think happens. Yeah. The interesting thing to me with that is that you're not changing positions. So you're like, you mess around, put Bryce Young there, it doesn't really necessarily have a trickle down effect to anything else there in the draft. But Scott, what are your initial impressions there? Look, it makes a perfect sense for a guy like daniel jeremiah who's been among the most accurate of accurate accurate excuse me um within the mainstream media i think he does a better job than both mcshay and kuiper nine times out of ten um you start to look at some of these

names and you see within the first round you see some guys like brian branch brian brazee osiris torrence you know some guys that you see across other mock drafts that are obviously missing in this mock draft. And then you see with the Daniel Jeremiah mock draft, Mazie Smith, Joe Tipman, Hendon Hooker to Minnesota. So you see some things that are different than what you're seeing from other mock drafters and different from other things that are being reported.

All right, Connor, today as we record it's wednesday it is pro day for ohio state and based off of this daniel jeremiah mock draft we did see a little bit of bryce young buyback in the marketplace shifting the number one overall pick uh in first quarterback selected markets slightly we talked about last episode, the CJ Stroud stuff was kind of like a match in the fire when that trade happened in the Stroud stuff really ballooned out, you know, upwards of like minus 400 at some points stabilized a little bit closer to like minus two 50. And now we've had, you know, a little bit of young steam again, off of the Daniel Jeremiah mock,

which makes sense. Again again he's a reputable source but again no real information in terms of it but again a perhaps a buying opportunity on cj stroud we were interested in that last week i know we got in when that first happened caught it on the way up um but where are you feeling in terms of where that number one overall pick market is uh when do you want to jump in on stroud because like again we again, we probably have a short window as we record now, but the time the listeners are listening, we're going to already have, you know, Stroud highlight reel from pro day. Should we get in on Stroud now or should we wait through the other pro days kind of facilitate? Yeah. The key difference here, the key thing is that Stroud's pro day is before Bryce Young. So you're probably

going to see Stroud's price shoot up a little bit as the day continues and Stroud performs well. The entire Panthers organization essentially is at his pro day right now. They sent the GM, the coaches, the QB coach, their entire media department is there. And now that being said, all of the same people are also going to Bryce Young's pro day as well as Will Levis' pro day on Friday. So I think there is going to be better buying opportunities here on CJ Stroud. I'm actually really happy that the price got bumped down a little bit because on top of

Jeremiah, Todd McShay went on ESPN and said, hey, I've been hearing that it's going to be Bryce Young at number one. Now, he prefaced that by saying that the person who told him that is someone who works with a lot of QBs and that is someone who has never been wrong, but could also change his mind in a couple of weeks. So for me, that means that he's talking with some kind of agents or some kind of QB coaches that work with like multiple QBs at the same time. And to me, agents are actually the worst sources of information. And from my understanding, they get lied to all the time by teams. They are relatively delusional in terms of their own players and where they think they're

going to go. So my experience with agents have not been good. So if we kind of wrap that back in here, I'm personally really interested on buying in CJ Stroud. If he gets to that minus 120, minus 125 range, I will definitely be adding more to my current portfolio because I think we could see plus money, but you just don't know which one of these, I guess, media personnel are going to sell out a little bit and say, hey, I'm going to make a mock that's just different to be different. That stuff moves the market, but we just don't know who's going to do that. I didn't think Jeremiah would do that, but he is. If we get more of this stuff, you might see like even money, you know, for CJ Stroud and Bryce Young, which in my opinion is still a great, great buying opportunity here for

Stroud. Yeah, I agree. If you're waiting to get back in on the Stroud thing, I think you wait until the Bryce Young pro day, minimally. I'll let a little bit of, you know, Bryce steam catch up, you know, jump into the CJ Stroud market. I still feel like we're a little bit away. You know, I got in on Stroud too. I want to still feel like we're a little bit away. I got in on Stroud too. I want to probably wait until we feel a little bit more confident in it, but I do think we are hearing a little bit of Stroud drumbeat that I think we need to pay attention to. Again, these are the top two picks in both mock drafts, just flip-flopped in terms of landing spots. We know that last couple of years, the Texans have been a little bit of a tight trap in terms of letting

information out. We'll go down and skip there. Scott, I'll let you talk about any of that if you want to. But the interesting thing in Kuyper's draft is he has a trade between the Colts and Cardinals with the 3-4 swap. Will Anderson leaning with the Cardinals on both mocks. Again, first defensive player off the board, checks that box as well. Quarterback goes to both. Kuyper has the Colts trading up for Will Levis. Jeremiah has the Colts staying home at four and landing Anthony Richardson. What are your thoughts, Scott?

Look, I think we've been hitting on the Will Anderson thing for a while. I think he's a good bet to go ahead and be the first one off the board. Look, specifically when we start talking about this three position with the Cardinals, I think they're in a good position to go ahead and move back. When you start talking about it, it's interesting where you're kind of choosing between Will Levis and Anthony Richardson. I just tend to lean for the Colts. I tend to lean a little bit more towards the Levis side. I just think he's a little bit more ready to play now. I think that team has some solid players there. And I don't know that Anthony Richardson is going to make that team hugely better,

having a start from the jump. I actually like where Mel Kiper has Seattle here at five, drafting Anthony Richardson. When I start to look at it, I definitely think that the Raiders are in play. I think that the Colts could be in play, but I lean towards the Levis. But Seattle's in a perfect position here at five

to allow the board to fall down to them. They went ahead and locked up a quarterback for the next couple of years, and that's solid as far as being a bridge. If you have four quarterbacks come off the board, then Will Anderson falls right there in their lap as the top defensive player, and I think they definitely go that route. If Will Anderson goes off before to the Cardinals where everybody has him mocked, I think then you have a good position for Anthony Richardson to be able to come sit for a year or two and develop

and then go ahead and lead that team on with a little bit younger receiving core. The other issue is they have that pick there at 20, which you see wide receiver drafted to in both of these mocks they have the ability to go ahead and use one of these picks on a quarterback and still be able to surround the rest of your team with talent and you know whatever they decide to pick at 20. Yeah that's a good I think that's a really good point the you know interesting to see that Richardson you know in both mocks is a top five pick. Early mocks, which is considered maybe a little bit more raw. Maybe the fourth quarterback on the board,

and I just think that we're a little bit past that. It is really, really kind of back and forth and jumbled. The interesting thing that stands out, like a sore thumb here, is Will Levis goes three, Connor, in Kuyper's draft. He doesn't go until 19 in Daniel Jeremiah's draft, which is really interesting, especially when you consider Kuyper has them trading up,

the Colts trading up to secure Levis, which I think is interesting too. So not only that team has identified him as their guy, team is willing to get ahead of other teams willing to trade up to get him. So again, context of Daniel Jeremiah's draft is important, but what are your thoughts about the whole Will Levis thing here and kind of the discrepancy? Yeah, there's been some buzz on Twitter recently saying Will Levis could fall.

I saw Dane Bruiseler talk about it a little bit, but I think that that's just infusing too much of our own evaluations and opinions and not really kind of reconciling with the current demand in the QB market. And so if we look at the teams in the top 10, Seattle, very much open and taking quarterback, the Raiders, you know, this is something that's not really still talked about that much. We're the main competitor to trade up to the number one overall pick and balked at the price, but we're very, very interested in trading up to the number one overall pick to say quarterback even after signing Jimmy Garoppolo. And so in my latest mock draft, I had them moving up to three with the Cardinals because I think either them or the Colts make a ton of sense to move up to that position and take

their quarterback in the future. Because if you look at a team like the Raiders, sure, they're okay for now, but they are in a good position to add a quarterback like Anthony Richardson or like Will Levis, who maybe needs a little bit of time to progress and would be a great fit in the future for them. But then if you look at a team like the Colts, the Colts right now, I think are actually in the worst position out of all of these teams at pick number four, because the Cardinals are very much in a position to trade down with a team like the Raiders, maybe even a team like the Falcons if the Falcons wanted to trade up. The Titans are in a reasonable

position to trade up. There's so many teams that could come up there and leapfrog the Colts. So then if you're sitting there at four, then there's three quarterback needy teams right in front of you. And so what are you going to do? You're taking the fourth quarterback there, or you balk and you take a defensive player, Will Anderson, and then you're starting Gardner Minshew, Nick Foles, Sam Ellinger. So, I mean, what are you doing at that point? Are you just tanking for Caleb Williams? Like you have no direction if you miss out on these quarterbacks. So I think that's one of the probably most interesting variables here at the top. Again, personally, I had the Raiders straight up to three with Arizona. I think that's,

in my opinion, a really likely outcome, but something that we probably won't see until draft day because they won't want to trade up without knowing who's going to be on the board and so that's something that i would i'm also thinking about as well yeah that's a good point i mean the problem that i have with jeremiah putting levis at 19 is that there are just so many scenarios and teams that could just stay home and would have selected him in my opinion as well like just the titans i don't think at 11 pass on levis if he's there right they i think they're a viable trade option to go get him but like they are in the last year of ryan tannehill's contract we know what they did last year with malik willis clearly got enough malik welles to identify that he is not the dude they are in the middle of a rebuild anyway like you just you take

him if he falls i feel like that's an absolute floor for levis who again i will continue to make a case until we get really clarity at the top that the levis price for number one overall is way off market there's 40 over over at draft kings now again i'm with you i think it's stroud and if it's not stroud i i think i think the anthony richardson is a really interesting thing too like i think he's probably the fourth quarterback, but again, like in this scenario, Kuyper has him going three, which means he's at least close enough to these other guys. Again, he has someone trading up to get him and we are not far removed from the December reports of David Tepper being infatuated with Will Levis.

Again, we don't know how much say Tepper has in the draft room. I think obviously letting the process play out with other scouts and other players makes a lot of sense, but the Levis number continues to remind me of the Paulo Bencaro number in the NBA, where we, it was a three-man race, but the market told you it was only a two-man race until pro days, individual visits. And those things happen. All of a sudden it became really clear that it was actually in fact,

a three-man race. So again, I think Levis is a long shot. I just don't think he's as long as the market currently has him at. Something that I think is worth noting too, is that if you don't want to play the number one overall pick odds, they're like, they're starting to release number two pick, second pick and third, like second quarterback, third quarterback drafted. So right now, number two draft pick will have, this is 25 to one. If for some reason you don't think that they're a lock to pick Bryce young, which, uh, I think that if Stroud goes one, they're very likely to pick Bryce young. But I think in this same vein, you know, like I don't think outside of a couple random whispers, like no one knew that they were gonna pick Derek Stingley until zero line reported it. Like, you know, a couple of days before that being said,

zero line has said like very strongly, like they're picking Bryce young if he's on the board at two, but, but he also mentioned that if Stroud is there too, that they might not pick him because he's the same agent as the Sean Watson who went through a lot of issues, obviously with the Texans and that whole, you know,

debacle there. So I think that's something worth noting, that if for some reason Bryce Young goes one, I mean, Will Levis is certainly not a good question at two instead of CJ Stroud. So I think that's an interesting angle. If you're interested in Bryce Young at one, kind of pairing that with Will Levis at two ticket.

I also think if you're interested in Anthony Richardson at one, you're going to get an opportunity here in the next few days because he has the last of the pro days next Thursday. So, you know, eight days from as we record today. And the other three are all this week, you know, by Friday. So we got, you know, Ohio State today, Alabama on Thursday, Kentucky on Friday. So like we will have had buzzy news for the three of them and Anthony Richardson will have a little bit of time to, to get his. Now again, I think the,

regardless of what happens, the Richardson number gets shorter after his pro day, right? Unless it's just a complete disaster. I think it probably gets a little shorter. So again, there are ways to kind of time this market. If you want to get your toes in a little bit of all of them, there are right ways to kind of get the best of the number before the markets move. What about Anthony Richardson and will have his third quarterback selected? We're looking at Levis plus two 50 Richardson minus one 50. I mean,

I think this should be closer to even, I get the, I get the steam on Richardson, but like a team like Indianianapolis i think makes more sense like mel kuyper has in their mock jobs to take a guy like levis than a guy like richardson but maybe i'm maybe i'm off base there but at least that's because from like a fit perspective that makes a little more sense to me as a chris ballard guy versus anthony richardson yeah i don't disagree too i mean there's obviously familiarity with garner minshu who signed on with the Colts in terms of Shane Steichen going over there as well.

So they're probably okay with him as a bridge guy for a little bit, but that would probably keep any of them in play. But yeah, I just think there's a lot of unknowns. So basically shopping the market and playing the market blindly and trying to find some opportunities to get in on plus money is probably the best way to play it. If you're looking to get in on some of these things now. For the most part, I'm going to hold off until I feel a little bit more confident and we

get a little bit more information. The other thing that's really interesting here at the very top is that, as we sat here last week, we talked about the Jalen Cotter pro day, how poor that went, and how we're still dealing with a little bit of legal news and people are talking about him falling outside the top 20 scott him to falling out of the first round and as we see here i he is going fifth to seattle in daniel jeremiah's mock which is a really nice fit for them um they did sign uh tremont jones free agent from the broncos to solidify the defensive tackle position but like it was a

massive need they lost punta forward too so still a need for seattle and then mel kuyper has him going sixth uh which i think is a great fit as well to detroit so the jaylen carter floor is falling seems to not be falling all that much i i tend to disagree a little bit um with both of these these places and todd mcshay kind of hit on it early on in the draft process that, you know, like some of the things that you hear behind the scenes are going to come to fruition with Jalen Carter. Jalen Carter specifically at six, I just don't think, while the talent's there, I just don't think he fits what that team is trying to build moving forward. That coaching staff has brought in a bunch of high-character guys

that work hard and are going to get after it every time in practice. And with Jalen Carter specifically having some question marks as far as how his motor runs hot and cold and how the efforts not are always there. And let's face it, you've seen in the past defensive tackles flame out very early, especially ones that get drafted kind of high like this and i think jalen carter kind of brings a little bit of that unknown you know what you're going to get with some of the character issues and some of the motor questions and and i tend to have

him and the feeling that i'm getting is to have him more in this 8 to 12 range rather than here as a top six pick interesting Interesting, Connor, where would you set the Carter over under if we were to get that today? Yeah, I mean, I'm, I agree with Scott and for a couple of reasons here is that, so our guy, you know, our Seahawks guy, Rob Statton, who's just been putting out awesome information for the last few years. Um, I believe mentioned that they would not take Jalen Carter. We're strongly believe that they would not take Jalen Carter, even though it is a great fit on paper. I also think he'd be a fantastic fit with the lions on paper. But if we look at, uh, like all of the other stuff going on to me, he's like

the antithesis of a Dan Campbell guy. He is lazy off the field and are on the field. He like loafs, basically he showed up 10 pounds heavier to his pro day. And he has all the off field issues of like, you know, all the other shit. So so like he's like character questions off the field work ethic concerns on the field which is i think is actually probably the biggest point for a dan campbell team um even though he's awesome when he's on the field so i agree with scott i think that he's i had him at 10 to the eagles in my mock draft but i mean i think that probably that range makes a ton of sense there one of these teams is going to say okay we can't mean, I think that probably that range makes a ton of sense there. One of these teams is going to say, okay, we can't pass on this guy like in that range. But

I like for me, I don't think it's the lions and maybe it's the Seahawks, maybe statins wrong, but I, I am very, very confident. It was not the lions. And if it is, then they feel really strongly that they can take on a wounded puppy and fix them, uh, you know, up to be a superstar. And I do think that's the interesting dynamic for both of these teams because they do have two first round picks right the lions are at 6 and 18 seox are at 5 and 20 um the lions in particular like i think you guys both make fantastic points though my pushback particularly on the lions would be you got a bunch of high character guys you have this dog of a head coach that demands a certain work ethic.

Why not bring this kid into that environment to just have him be in a spot where high tide raises all ships. You got to get on and make it work. And you have a little bit of a benefit of a luxury pick, right? They both benefited from, you know, trades here to be able to sit in these spots and make those picks.

So I think you guys are valid. I think that he could fall a little bit but i do think you get in a spot where it's like hey this guy's tape when he pops it is off the charts um people thought he could have been you know very clearly we saw when he opened up first defensive player on the board he was an overwhelming favorite um i do think connor's point to like maybe 10 is the floor for Carter. I just can see the Eagles making that pick and it fits a need for them as well. But I think it's definitely going to be an interesting over under when that market first comes out. Other interesting thing.

I think also too. Yeah, I was going to say last bit on here would be like, I almost kind of like I would agree with you on the point about like maybe bringing him in. They can change his character. I think that's certainly possible. My only concern is that like they had a guy like Deandre Swift, who very clearly it was the most talented running back on the team was like seemingly an awesome player from all of our outsider eyes.

Then you watch hard knocks and you see the coaches just being like, why aren't you working harder? Like, why aren't you trying harder? Like what's going on here? And like, it just didn't work. And they don't give him the workload. You know, he was banged up for part of the year. But like, it was one of those weird dynamics where like,

maybe he's obviously a different person than Jalen Carter, but he did not latch on to that type of, you know, chemistry and that type of vibe. And I'm just not sure if that's like their MO is to take those types of players on. But I guess we'll see, you know, because again, I do agree. An on-field fit, he would be an absolutely perfect selection for them at six.

Yeah, I mean, I think he's a great selection for them at six because I think he is a force multiplier type of player, right? Like he makes things easier for Hutchinson. He makes things easier for Houston. Some of the other defensive ends that they grabbed last year, if he's able to really to really reach his potential, but, uh,

interesting to see how that one comes out. This little pocket here. I've talked about a little bit, seven, eight, nine with the Raiders, Falcons and bears is really interesting to me because part of, I think putting this puzzle together is really trying to narrow down

positional needs, you know, in terms of like diagnosing what a team's going to do the raiders falcons and bears need everything right like i feel like they can go just basically anywhere what's interesting is we don't have um the raiders in either mock draft landing a quarterback which i think is a rarity we do think that they probably want to adjust the position all things considered i think with jimmy g they're probably too good to be in a spot where they're looking to select first next year and have the ability to select Caleb Williams in that draft.

They do need a ton of help on the defensive side of the football. Kuyper has them drafting Christian Gonzalez as the first corner off the board. Jeremiah has the fit that we've talked about extensively is the devin witherspoon fit to the lions at six tyree wilson landing seven to the raiders again the witherspoon thing to detroit makes a ton of sense in terms of his play style some of the narratives that we think fit in detroit the need at the position again they went out and added Cam Sutton to free agency. Emmanuel Mosley, a one-year deal. They have an option in terms of Jeffrey Okuda's fifth year and what they want to do there. I still think that corner is a need for the Lions.

It's a pretty deep position. They can address it at 18. They can address it in the second round. But again, we're kind of in that spot here too. And then Tyree Wilson falling a little bit on Kuyper's side there, Scott. So talk to me a little bit about Kuyper's side there Scott so talk to me a little bit about that bottom of the top 10 yeah so if you look I mean you kind of have those same players there talking Witherspoon and Gonzalez and uh you know we're talking about Tyree Wilson we hit on

Tyree Wilson and one of the last shows is just waiting for some of the medical clearance as far as that you know the way he, he's got the skill set. He's got the body type that you really like as a defensive end, the long limbs, the motor, the whole nine yards. It's just waiting another couple weeks to find out how those medicals come out. With that being said, I also think he fits a number of these teams sitting here with Raiders, with Atlanta, and whatnot.

So I think when we look at it, I think as long as medicals check out, we're also still waiting for Devin Witherspoon to run. Once all of these things kind of check out, this looks like the group of players until you get here to Chicago, who were in the mix for possibly early on taking Jalen Carter number one had they stayed there.

I could see Jalen Carter going there at nine or ten I think this group of players is kind of the ones that you're going to get the one pushback I kind of have with Daniel Jeremiah is the Skowronski there at nine we already talked about them signing Nate Davis and I project Skowronski to be more of a guard than a tackle but I think this top 10 to 11 tier of players is really starting to pan out and solidify itself here as the group of guys that you're going to go ahead and get. I think the surprises that you may see are going to kind of start to creep in with Tennessee and maybe Houston. That's where you kind of start to veer a little bit differently. Yeah, Connor, you've been of the mindset that Peter Skowronski is not going to be a Chicago Bear, that they could address that position.

Mel Kuyper has them taking a tackle. Our offensive lineman as well, Paris Johnson out of Ohio State. Skowronski, again, to Scott's point, shorter arms. Some people think he might be a guard at least to start. And the Nate Davis signing does maybe uh you know curtail that a little bit and again I think you've identified that they just do not like the local kid Oskaronski anyway yeah I mean that that's just what I've heard is that they don't like him I mean I was it was pretty dismissive of when I asked about him uh to someone in the know so um not to mention like Scott said kind of the fit here after them signing a guard you know I

think that he would probably slide inside. And there's so many other in this range, like other tackles who I think kind of fit what they're looking for a little bit more. A guy who kind of popped it comparatively would be a guy like Broderick Jones, obviously tackle from Georgia. Anthony Amico actually did a little comparison here that I thought was interesting with Eric Fisher. Ryan Poles was with the Chiefs at that time when they drafted Fisher, they compared to each other, you know, very similar

in terms of size, speed, kind of weight, uh, reach, all those things, uh, are fairly similar there. And they picked Eric Fisher over three tackles when the top four that year, which I did not remember, which I, for me, for some reason, I had some memory going in that Fisher was the overwhelming favorite. He was not actually Luke Jokel was the minus 150 heading into draft night. So I think that's notable a little bit. Maybe they go a little bit more of a size or size kind of aspect there. And I think that even actually further diminishes

Skowronski's case in some aspects as well. But one thing that stuck with me with this like back into the top 10 that I think is really important to talk about is that so Daniel Jeremiah mentioned in his last pod that he expects both Witherspoon and Gonzalez to be like surefire top 10 picks. And then Ben Solak has been talking about this a bunch too, saying like every year we see these corners who are good and they get pushed off the board a little bit more, a little bit more because they're Island

players, because they're premium players, like at a premium position. And these two guys, like Gonzalez tested well, he played well, he has good stats, like everything. So I think that he's very much in the mix and a guy like Witherspoon fits really well in Detroit, but it wouldn't surprise me. Like, you know, I think the Raiders need a corner, the Falcons need a corner and Detroit is very much in the market. Like two of those three teams, I think are very much in play personally too. I had the Cardinals trading down to seven in my mock with the Raiders. They're a fantastic team to take a corner because they lost Byron Murphy and they were already in the market before. Like I, that's even another reason why I think the Cardinals would be interested in trading down is because sure. Will Anderson's great. You know, maybe if you want Tyree Wilson, Jalen Carter, you can get

them all three, but you can get probably your pick of two of those guys or a corner at seven or eight if you trade down. So those are just some of my notes there. And something that when I built my latest mock, I'm like, okay, I need these two corners in the top 10 instead of some of the offensive linemen or, or edge players that I had there originally. Yeah. Both of them,

a floor is eight in both of these mock drafts with Witherspoon going six, Gonzalez going eight for Jeremiah and then for Kuyper, Gonzalez going seven, Witherspoon going eight. So yeah, it, it, it makes a ton of sense.

I think we will see that kind of continue to push its way up throughout the drafts, the mock drafts, with basically the rest of the position, because it is one of the better positions in this draft is the cornerback position. Yeah, one thing I want to hit on real quick is the way I read mock drafts in comparison, especially with these media guys, is you know that they have sources that we just don't have access to. They're a little bit more dug in with the front offices and some of the scouts and even the agents and whatnot.

But I think it's interesting when you look at these things. It's one thing when they have the same pick. That's easy at the top of the draft. But specifically, you look at Atlanta at eight. And in one, you have Devin Witherspoon, and in the other, you have Christian Gonzalez. These are two guys that are tuned in with the agents, with the GMs, with the front offices.

And the fact that they both have cornerback going in there tends to tell you that you might want to go ahead and lean a little bit more towards a defensive back being selected with that pick there at Atlanta if they're available and on the board. And that's kind of how I go through the entire mock draft process whenever I'm looking at some other people's mock drafts, especially these big media guys.

Again, at nine, you're looking at Chicago with offensive line. So when you start keying in on some of this, these guys might be hearing from these teams and their sources that, look, this is the position that they're going into play, and it's just a matter of matching up what player fits that position on the board. So that's kind of the way that I lean in and tune in to some of these mock drafts, and specifically with those two guys that we're talking about, Devin Witherspoon and Christian Gonzalez, top 10 is going to be a lock for both of them.

Good call. We have that a little further down the board at 12 with both mock drafts handing an edge rusher to the Texans with their second selection. I think Tennessee is kind of in the mix with the other 7, 8, 9 range of the Raiders, the Falcons, and the Bears because I think Tennessee has a number of needs. They can go a lot of different ways here. They have the first receiver off the board and daniel jeremiah's mock draft with jack smith and jigba i have tyree wilson falling all the way down to 11 there in mill kuiper's draft mentioned the edges to the texans with nolan smith who tested off the charts uh coming out of georgia here and

then miles murphy is a name that was pretty standard in the top 10 very early in the process and now has been falling down depending on the draft. And we see that on the Mel Kiper draft. He is not even in the first round, if I'm not mistaken, which is very, very interesting to see. We start to see a little bit of this as we get into the back half of the first round. The interesting thing here to me is the Jets as well. We're still waiting on that 13th pick is that compensation for aaron rogers what do the jets do with it if they stay home we see variations here in terms of offensive tackle edge rusher um connor kicking you about here the just fall out 10 and what these teams do and stands out

yeah i think something worth noting with the jets too is so daniel jeremiah is super plugged in with the jets and like scott said i think the best way at this point is to look like positionally and kind of where they're going there. And so originally Daniel Jeremiah had an offensive lineman pegged to the Jets. Now he has Nolan Smith and edge. And I think a lot of that he mentioned on his show as well, talking about how they think Makai Becton is looking really good. And like, they don't necessarily view the offensive line is like a need at this point. If he is playing well, because obviously hasn't played much over the last few years when he has played, it hasn't been that great, but they're very confident that they get them back on track.

And if they are confident, then maybe they look elsewhere. And I think another position would be kind of along the defensive trenches there. So that's a good point on the jets there about like whether they'll even have this pick, but I anticipate that they probably will 12. I have Nolan Smith to the Texans as well. It's a guy that I had 19 originally has been skyrocketing up boards. Um, he is a little bit small, but he just tested amazing, like overall. And not to mention this Texans team obviously just hired to Miko Ryan's former NFL linebacker, kind of a defensive guy. They signed Robert Woods. They signed Dalton Schultz. They signed an offensive lineman in free agency. So like for me, I think that if we're looking at this team,

I'm sure they could double tap the offense here with like a quarterback wide receiver combo two and 12. But I think that given they've already invested a little bit into this offense, kind of in free agency, that maybe they go for a little bit of balance, try to address the defense and make that a little bit better.

So personally, I have them going defense, but I will, like Scott said, kind of be tuned into what the insiders know about like positionally where they're they're focused yeah houston uh scott going edge edge it's probably an interesting note to to remember here down the road yeah and just one thing on nolan smith like you hit on it with the combine but listen to some of these numbers for uh you know a linebacker weight in 62 238 a little bit on the smaller side but as an edge rusher you want to go ahead and talk about it he was in the 99th percentile for his 10 yard split 99th percentile for his 40 yard dash 98th percentile for his vertical jump and 95th percentile for his broad jump so he's a

guy that pocketed made some money at the combine. I had him a lot lower in my initial mock draft, but I think this 10 to 12 range is he's going to be live from the Eagles all the way to, you know, 13 with the jets. And I can even see maybe, you know, a little bit of a fit there with the Patriots if they don't trade down or make some type of move. Yeah. The Eagles make a ton of sense there as well. They are not they're they're fine with just stacking edge rushers uh in positions of value and that makes a lot of sense there they actually have selected a defensive lineman uh lucas van ness in daniel jeremiah's mock draft van ness goes a little bit later in kuypers over at 15 um van ness is an interesting guy that you know friend of the show

uh ben solak does not understand the love for Lucas Van Ness, but I think the drumbeat is fairly loud in terms of, you know, where he continues to get mocked, what NFL teams think of him. You know, his testing at the Combine was pretty insane for his size as well. So that's a guy that I think continues to definitely make his way inside the top 15 and should get a lot of attention here as well new england at 14 is interesting again i will always be surprised when they are on the clock and we don't actually get a trade uh you know we get the little sound that the draft pick is is in there's a very rare as a uh a patriots fan over the years

to actually see someone walking to the podium for them to make that selection. Again, a team that actually could go a number of different ways. Even when they sit and make picks, they don't always necessarily go what you would think would be their positional need. They are often thinking down the road. They're often thinking best player on the board. Mel Kuyper has Joey Porter Jr., another quarterback. They're the third corner coming off the board there. Daniel Jeremiah, very interestingly, has the Patriots selecting B. John Robinson, the running back out of Texas. Connor also did a mock draft.

Also had B. John Robinson going 14, but you did a little bit differently. Yeah, so it was a little bit fun here, but it kind of makes a lot of sense to me i had the cowboys trading up to 14 with the patriots and selecting bijan robinson uh you know jerry jones has lost his boy zeke if we go back to the 2016 draft he you know put his fist down on the table and said that you know he really wanted zekio elliott over jalen ramsey you know they were considering keeping him on this outrageous contract while he was, you know, just playing poorly, I would say, or like below average for the most part. And so that was only because of Jerry Jones. I mean, any other general manager would have considered getting rid of him. So now without that, they have Tony Pollard, who's, I mean,

broke his leg basically, you know, he's like really had a relatively major injury. We'll be back in time, but like, I don't think that they want Pollard to be the guy handling 20, 25 touches a game. He's probably want to maintain him more in that 12 to 15 range. So it would not surprise me at all to see them trade up or draft Bijan Robinson. I don't think trading up or running back is smart, and I don't think most teams would do it, but if there was a team to do it, it would be the Cowboys and the Patriots also love to trade back. They love to accumulate picks like you said. So I think that there's a lot of different factors here where again, projecting trades is tough, but when you're looking at a guy

like B. John Robinson, who repeatedly, every single person in the media will tell you he has a top 10 prospect on every single team's board. But it's just really tough to find a fit with him within the top 10. I know, Noonan, you've talked about it before. The Falcons are in play at eight. And so are the Titans at 11 if they move on from Derrick Henry, like there's so many possibilities, but none of them, he's like a great fit because they have so many other needs to do to the positional just needs there. So for me, I think he could fall a little bit or a team like, like the Cowboys. Like, I mean, if the chargers move on from Austin Eckler, if they really want a running

back, wouldn't surprise me either. So that's kind of my take on it, but I think that it's a little bit little bit out there but like it's one of those things that if it happens we're going to play this clip back we're going to cut it and say on whatever march 22nd we had this live saying that the cowboys are going to get cowboys and jerry we're going to get their new zeke and bijan robinson yeah i just think he's so good that is at a certain point someone's going to want to move up to get him. He's going to start to slide a little bit. And again, I know that how the position is basically handled in the league, rightfully so. These guys are all tremendous athletes

and I think what separates them is very, very, very little. But I don't think that you can talk to anyone who evaluates the position that would tell you that B. John Robinson isn't one of those outliers. Now, again, from a team building standpoint, it's like compounding interest here. Not only are you selecting a first round running back, but in this scenario, you are trading up to get one. It is a really, really bad team building process.

Now, that doesn't mean that someone won't do it. It doesn't mean that the Cowboys are not a perfect fit to do so. Keep the kid in Texas. It makes a ton of sense after again, letting Zeke go franchising Tony Pollard and having to figure what that looks like down the stretch. So it would be interesting. It'd be a lot of fun. And we know the Cowboys are within the range of possibilities to do something like that. I think the Patriots drafting B. John Robinson is absolutely ludicrous. So I mean, I thought that's nuts, but I mean, I guess it wouldn't be the first time they drafted a first round running back, but taking them at 14, given all their other issues offensively would be, oh boy, that would be rough.

It'd be rough. Again, like, you know, at a certain point it's, it'd be very similar to the Sonny Michelle situation where, I mean, I love love Sony Michelle in college. He was electric. He was a great, you know, receiving back. I don't know why he was not used that way at all. Maybe I identified something again. I know we had some knee injury issues at the time. It was like, Oh, we took a running back. And then you're like, Sony's fun though. All right, let's go. Even though we passed on Lamar Jackson, you know, knowing that Tom Brady, you know, was definitely on in the 17th or 18, knowing that Tom Brady, you know, was definitely on

in the 17th or 18th hole of his career. So yeah, it's an interesting play. I don't think New England does that. But again, they are a team that will go off the board in terms of need when the guy is that far, far down in terms of where they have them on the overall board. So now we get down here to the commanders who have again another team with a ton of needs we have uh emmanuel forbes which is really early for mill kuiper at 16 forbes really good tape uh nice combine uh he is not appearing at all in daniel jeremiah's mock draft which again i think

is really interesting to have one guy in the top 16 and another guy not on the board um kyber also has a corner at 17 to the steelers with uh dante banks again another kid who had a really really good combine tested off the charts and we're seeing more and more quarterbacks to connor's point kind of flow up the board uh scott jeremiah has broderick jones going to p to Pittsburgh. I do think that those are the two really clear needs to the Steelers in terms of, you know, kind of where they're at. They can add offensive line help. They had a lot of continuity last year. I think they're going to have a lot of continuity again next year. No one's very good. So they kind of need to add some just overall talent there and some depth. And Deontay Bakes fills a need too, obviously with Cam Sutton

leaving. What are your thoughts on kind of this mid part of the uh the teens I think when you look at Pittsburgh there's there's a nostalgic uh basically narrative that's going on and across the mock draft community Joey Porter Jr. is the player that's getting overwhelmingly mock draft to uh Pittsburgh because his dad played there and deservingly so, he's within that range of possibilities. But I think when you start to look at what Pittsburgh needs and what's available here in this position, I think it'll be a good spot for them to go ahead and take a tackle. I like Broderick Jones if he falls to that point,

which Daniel Jeremiah has him. I think the upside for him is through the roof as far as tackle goes. And it just makes the most sense to me as far as team that wants to go ahead and protect Kenny Pickett and give that offensive line and some other things just the way they want to build. I just see offensive line help as being a little bit more of a need than cornerback. But Deontay Banks is a player that's interesting. And I think when you start looking across the range

of where he's being drafted, I think that 15, 16 range all the way down to the end of the first round, I think he's a player that starts to come into play here. Another player who tested well, did himself well at the combine. But then you also look at Darnell Wright, who's there at 19 to Tampa. He starts to come into play here, and I've seen him mock draft to Pittsburgh a good bit as well.

So I think this is kind of the range you start to see some of these players come into play. And, you know, nothing's set in stone here with a lot of these guys, but it's just trying to get the next 10 players after those 10 just to kind of, you know, march them out from 11 to 20 and try to figure out who's going to be in that range and start placing them where they fit in team need. Kind of the cool part in terms of what the Steelers do, right,

we were trying to piece a puzzle together. And when we have a team like the Steelers who has two really clear needs, we also have a team that historically we go into the draft knowing who the Steelers are going to take, who they've identified. And when you can kind of put the one piece of the puzzle in, it makes things around it a little bit easier, even though we don't have the clear answer. So if we get a really clear idea that banks or in this case, offensive tackle is the priority, it allows us to shift around it in a way that even though we don't know the answer, like we do with the Steelers, knowing the Steelers answer helps us fit other puzzle pieces in.

Yeah, absolutely. Because it's honestly, after the first, I think in this mock or in this draft, it's probably going to be the first like 10 picks or so. I feel like we have a pretty good idea of who's going to be in those, that top 10 range. After that, it gets, there's a lot of guys. There's like a chunk of like,

you know, another 10 guys that could go in the next like six, seven picks that we don't really know how they all fit. And so like you talked about project Jones, it could be Deontay banks. I had Joey Porter in there because his dad, but again, that's probably shaping up to be more of like a Kenny Pickett

to Carolina situation where just because he played in the area and knew someone who knew someone, you know, it doesn't really mean that the team's going to draft in there, but for now it's pretty convenient to put them there in my mock draft. So, you know, until we get more solidified information on sealers, I'll probably roll with the corner. But like you said, an offensive lineman there, once we know that pick, it'll help solve the lions at 18 which uh you know a popular pick has been uh can't see uh you know kind of the defensive tackle there daniel jeremiah has him and i mean the rationale beyond that was that uh the current gm of the lions used to be with the rams the rams used to like drafted and have aaron donald you know and and that like he could play kind of play that role

i do think again like we talked about j Jalen Carter, like having another, adding a defensive tackle makes a ton of sense. This defense, it could be cancey. I would not surprise me at all. He's a little bit undersized, but I think that he could be a good fit there as well. So that's not surprising to me. He's kind of been a late bloomer as well. And the bucks here at 19, I think are kind of a mystery because they need a lot of help now in the tom brady you know i guess post era here with especially a quarterback baker mayfield ain't it i mean we've seen one reasonable game in the last three years from him uh and so i don't know man i don't know what they're gonna do if they're gonna go decide to go run heavy if

they're gonna do they need a better offensive line to do that they can't even get pushed off the line the receivers are obviously good but can make baker mayfield get them the ball like there's i have so many questions at 19 that like i'm just like i'm just kind of like blacking them out for now and then hopefully figuring them out later in each mock draft it's not gonna be will levis like he's just not gonna be there i mean it's you know it's it's a ridiculous exercise to even do it but you make a good point like they lost jamal dean uh cornerback they could definitely address that position uh you know sliding offensive lineman they can move tristan worse over to left tackle you know darnell right would be a guy that could slide right in on the right side like that makes

a lot of sense that feels like a good fit but again there's a reason these teams are towards the tail end of the first round they often have a lot of needs um do we get a little bit of clarity to scott's point when you start to see some redundancy in terms of mock drafts that we respect uh you know mocking a certain position there it allows you to maybe narrow down where you have some of these guys going both guys to that point have a wide receiver going to the Seahawks with their second pick here in the first round at pick 20. Kuyper has Jackson Smith and Jigba falling all the way down to 20, where he goes 11th in Jeremiah's mock to Tennessee. Jeremiah has Jordan Addison out of USC going 20,

falling a little bit in Kuyper's draft there too. So, Scott, is that something that is, you know, actual? Yeah, I think it is a bit actual. But also, when you look at the two players that are here, and Jackson Smith and Jigba and Jordan Addison, you know, the player that you're not seeing is Quentin Johnston, and that's because Seattle already has that alpha. So I think these two players complement that offense a little bit more. Tyler Lockett's getting up in age, approaching age 30,

even though it seems like he's been in the league for way longer than that. And he's also dealt with some injuries, been a smaller receiver. So I like the fit of both of these receivers here, and I think both of these, I tend to think Jordan Addison's a little bit more of a fit here, as I think Jackson tend to think Jordan Addison's a little bit more of a fit here as I think Jackson Smith and Jigba may go a little bit earlier in this but I like the mindset of both of these and I think this is actionable information um that that you can see I think my next mock draft I'd probably be leaning a little bit more towards Jordan Addison sitting

here at 24 Seattle and uh you know Quentin Johnson's a guy who has kind of fallen down a little bit in some of these mock drafts, went into the combine early as the early-on favorite. You look at what Jackson Smith and Jigba did, and, you know, we got some pro-date numbers here with him running a 4-5, 4-5-3 in his two attempts. Also, early word out of Ohio State today is that Paris Johnson absolutely killed the offensive lineman

workout. And so that kind of pushes him up as a stronger position to be that first offensive lineman off the board. Tony Pauline's reporting that he absolutely looked like every bit of a top 10 player as far as the tackle goes. But I think when you start looking here and you bounce from Seattle even to the next pick with the charges there and you bounce from seattle even to to the next pick with uh with the charges there and and you're still looking at offensive receiver type weapon you know they're kind of missing out on a tight end is a flowers you know an option as well as a wide receiver to get somebody it's a little bit more of a game breaker and uh i think you look at that and that's a team in the chargers that are looking to build around justin herbert and their quarterback yeah we're getting

some help there for uh for her with their connor what are your thoughts on the chargers that are looking to build around justin herbert and their quarterback yeah we're getting some help there for uh for her with their connor what are your thoughts on the chargers who again i think are probably the favorites right now in the market if i'm not mistaken on bijan robinson landing spot which i think is interesting but again the austin eckler news probably is uh compounding that but uh chargers adding a pass catcher um i mean i think they're more likely to add a tight end i don don't know. I kind of thought that after they kept Keenan Allen, they have Mike Williams still, you know, I like schematically and fit. Like I think Zay profiles more like Keenan Allen than he does like a stretch Y or like a stretch outside receiver that can kind of like open up the middle of the field for Keenan Allen and Mike Williams. I mean, or if they want a more complete guy, like I feel like honestly, even like a Quentin Johnson would make more of a fit there

in terms of just like a guy, like another guy who could be an alpha kind of like, uh, you know, just a different fit for them because I'm not saying Zay is like a fully redundant kind of guy, but to me, it just doesn't make a ton of sense in that fit there for, for the chargers. Um, I think that a tight end makes a ton more sense with dalton kinkade i actually have that fit as well in my latest mock draft mel kuyper has that as well 21 uh and the seattle bit is really interesting as well because i kind of jordan addison i've seen people comp him to tyler lockett and so again like like he's like scott said they don't need an alpha because they already have dk but like do they need another Tyler Lockett I don't know

it's just like I like it's telling that both these guys are going wide receiver but I'm not ready to lock that in because in my mind like sure having three wide receivers is awesome like great wide receiver is great but like you know that just doesn't seem to be either mo currently with Gino with maybe a rookie quarterback you know like obviously Pete Carroll likes to skew a little bit run heavy so there's a lot of different things there, factors of play that kind of make me a little bit weary towards this spot here. I think the Ravens are an interesting team though, that absolutely need wide receiver help. Daniel Jeremiah hasn't going Joey Porter, Jr. Mel Kiper at 22, hasn't going say flowers. I think that makes a ton of sense for a wide

receiver because they have, I mean, obviously Mark Andrews, but you know, outside of that, Rashad Bateman was injured and like fine, I guess, you know, as a player, like I'm sure the dynasty community and everyone will want to fight me, but he's just, I don't think he's all that good. And so like, they need another guy who can be a guy in the Todd Monk in offense with massive questions about Lamar to the report saying that they were splitting. So I don't know any, if you have any thoughts on any of those picks Newton, but this is the range for wide receivers. We did talk about over four and a half receivers like a month ago. I am very much out on that. If that pops, I like, I'll probably be taking the under because I don't think Jalen high makes in the first round anymore. I think

that there's like four guys, uh, right now between Zay flowers, Jordan, Addison, Quinn, Johnston. Um, and then I'm missing one more here. Uh. Jackson Smith and Jigba that are like very likely to go in the first round. But I mean, even if one of them falls out, like I wouldn't be that surprised. Yeah, I think that's a good call out. I think the,

as Scott pointed out, the Quentin Johnston stuff is, is pretty interesting too. Like Jeremiah has him as the fourth receiver off the board where he was routinely in early mocks, the first receiver, most spots. Like he was kind of a very easy pencil into the Texans at 12. And that seems to be, you know, long gone.

So interested to see where his over under comes in at based off of maybe some early thoughts. Whereas in these two drafts, he's 23 in Kuyper's draft. He's 27 in Jeremiah's draft. So I think that that's definitely some news and a guy who is trending down, even though he had a good combine. I just think that there's maybe some other, his style of play is maybe not a fit for everyone. And maybe you can get in a spot where team specific needs in terms of his size and stature, maybe kind of dictate where he goes um hendon hooker to jeremiah uh 23 in minnesota uh again maybe he's doing somebody a solid here uh i know that he's talked about liking hendon hooker

i know there are people that do like him as a player again you just you just haven't seen it a lot uh it's it's very very, very interesting. Scott, what are your initial reactions to what seems to be a little wink, wink, nudge, nudge to maybe an agent or, or perhaps someone in the organization? Look, I absolutely think these guys trade information for, for, you know, little, little trades. Hey, I'll get your guy a little bit of publicity and get them some clicks and get his name out there in the media. And I absolutely think this is a situation.

Hendon Hooker played great this past season up until he got hurt. But when you start looking at his entire body of work, it doesn't make him a first round pick. I want to say he's like 25 or something. So he's an older prospect at quarterback who's also coming off a major injury so so there's if there's a bet that Hendon Hooker would not be a first round pick I'd put my paycheck on it you know bet the house I just don't see this happening I think this is a little wink wink nudge nudge let me get your guy in there you give me some information and we'll go ahead and work from there and there's a couple of other guys in here that you're like I said you're not seeing in any other mock drafts joe tipman maizey smith who the hell is joe tipman you know that

even is no uh interior offensive lineman from wisconsin i've not seen anywhere i've seen maizey smith a little bit i have not seen joe tipman uh or hendon hooker anywhere i don't even have joe tipman in the top 50 not to say that i'm the end all be all, but like he he's not on my list as a possibility to even make it in. And it's not to, not to shit on a guy because he's probably a really good prospect, but he's not a first round talent. Uh, you know, again, a little noise, you know, Jordan Addison going to the giants at 25 and Kuyper's draft and the aforementioned Joe Tippin going, uh, interior offensive line in Jeremiah's draft, which I think is pretty interesting. We've got a couple guys just trying to look at some guys that are also popping in both.

Will McDonald, defensive edge out of Iowa going to the Jags in Kuyper's draft at 24. He's the last pick at 31 in Jeremiah's draft. This becomes interesting because we get you know odds on will a guy be a first round pick these things are interesting to continue to take note of the cowboys are not trading up in either of these drafts to draft bijan robinson do you think it's an interesting point but they are drafting defensive linemen in both i mentioned maizey smith out of michigan i have seen some guys like him as an interior defensive lineman. I think his over-under will be a little bit higher. That's actually one that I have written down to maybe look at

when that first pops out. If he does get a number, I think I like the under there. Some teams seem to really like him. The other one that Kuyper has, I'm going to butcher this poor kid's name. I really don't know how the defensive end out of Northwestern, Adebe Wore, he is definitely a mover up in draft boards. I think he is really interesting. Another guy to take a look at, tested very, very well.

I think the tape is questionable, but like size speed stuff is kind of off the charts. 280-pound guy running like a 4 stuff is is kind of off the charts 280 pound guy running like a 454 um is pretty insane uh in terms of you know when we think of like that's what basically jackson smith and jigba just did uh at his pro day and this this kid's like 6 to 280 out of northwestern that's going to get some teams attention so those are names to kind of watch out at and that's kind of i think the best way to approach back in the first round is what do you see kind of popping up in a bunch of spots what i think is interesting that jeremiah has when we talk about the tight end market connor

um dalton kincaid going early as the first tight end off the board 16 to the commanders michael mayer all the way down to 29th with the uh there. Kuyper has them way closer, 18 and 21, with Mayer going first. One has Darnell Washington. Kuyper does. Again, I still am in the mindset that under two and a half tight ends is going to be the play there. I get the need for the Bengals, which is where Kuyper has Washington landing. I think offensive line or defensive back, like a safety makes more sense for the Bengals at this point. But what are your

thoughts on the tight end market and maybe some of the other names kicking around down at the bottom? Yeah, I originally had Kincaid in my first mock at 16 to Washington. I had Michael Meyer there afterwards because I just think from a fit perspective, they're a team that I think will probably want to run the ball a little bit more and he's a better blocker. And so Kincaid obviously would add something as a pass catcher, but I would imagine they'd want the more balanced guy. But again, that's just kind of me projecting my opinion there in terms of where they go. I think they're very much free reign to be at his back half of the first round. There was some buzz about Michael Mayer potentially falling down the board a little

bit. And then after his initial push aser potentially falling down the board a little bit. And then after his initial push as being kind of like the guy, you know, like the next mid round tight end to potentially develop into a versatile, you know, blocker, but can also run routes and pass catch. He's kind of some lost some of that luster and kind of pushed him back towards the end of the first round here. And that's something that multiple people have reported. So for me, I think that that, I guess, lowers the two tight end thing here

because I was pretty interested in an over two and a half tight ends. I thought that we'd see Darnell Washington sneak into the first round. But if you're not getting a Michael Mayer until the end of the first round, I mean, it's really thin to get Darnell Washington there as well because Mayer, by almost all accounts, is far more complete from a prospect perspective. Darnell Washington is just more athletic.

So for, for my perspective, I think under two and a half times if it pops as a, as an interesting look here, but again, we'll kind of have to see how this buzz goes for the next couple of weeks. Yeah.

What are your thoughts on that market, Scott? Yeah, I think, I think these two guys, it's, it's really going to be Kincaid and, and Michael Mayer.

I do not like the fit in jeremiah's draft with michael mayer to uh new orleans specifically you know they they just resigned johnson as a free agent and um you know they've been kind of piecing together um with adam troutman solid blocker and and tasem hill is kind of that other athlete there and specifically when it comes to to new orleans look their their defensive line is in shambles right now. You've got Jordan, I mean, Cameron Jordan, who's, you know, towards the end of his career, definitely on the downside, but right now, especially like the interior defensive line is kind of where I look at them

going. You've got Kalen Saunders, Nathan Shepard, and Carl Grandison rounds out the rest of their defensive line right now. I don't think they're going to be able to make many more moves in free agency to address some of that. And so they've got Peyton Turner, who hasn't really panned out since 2021 over the last two years. He's been more injured. He's going to have to go ahead and kind of slide in

to another one of the defensive end roles. But with his injury history and the way he's played over the last two years, I think New Orleans is alive to go defensive know early here in the first round at 29 and that's what kaiper has them doing brian breeze day who again was uh early in the process pretty commonly a top 10 pick uh he is all the way down to 29 in kaiper's and he is not appearing at all in jeremiah's mock draft so that's again'm interested to see what the books do in terms of over-unders with maybe some early consensus versus some of the latest consensus on some guys. Cause you might get some opportunities with, you know,

Breeze and Quentin Johnston in particular guys that definitely showing up later in drafts in comparison to where they were saying in late January, if you happen to be grinding this stuff like we do because we're psychopaths. But this is what we do. The other stuff, again, another name that is popping in both of these, which, again, I think is something to look at, is another name I don't want to butcher.

But 31st to the Chiefs for Kuyper is Felix. I'm going to go Uzoma. I'm going to skip his hyphen name, not to butcher that. He's also going 30th to the Eagles defensive end out of Kansas State. So again, the name that we have not seen a ton, but a name that is moving up and is appearing here in both of these mocks where it's very possible that you see maybe an over-under, say in like the low 40s or highirties in terms of where this guy has been

previously. And maybe, you know, some real nice plus money going in the first round when that number comes out originally, because this is something we need to kind of watch as we get more of these pro days and more of these commonalities in the back end of the first round Connor to wrap it up. Anything that pops out to you to, to summarize both of these drafts? Uh, no, I think, I think we've covered most of it here. I think some of these names at the end here are ones to consider when we get the market, that'll be like to be a first round pick. A lot of these guys are probably gonna be plus money. It doesn't mean you should fire on them right away, but, uh, you know, we've got hit some great ones over the last few years where players start to get a little bit of buzz towards the end. And, uh, you get these a plus money and you're not you most likely do not have to lay any juice

on like these kind of fringe guys here towards the end of the first round so definitely something to watch for how about you scott uh anything in uh wrapping up yeah i think uh you kind of hit on his oma there and he's a guy that when i scan through mock drafts he's not generally mock draft in the top 50 so for two guys that are tuned in with some of these franchises and stuff, both to be getting him in their top 31 there, I think that's some noise and something that's

actionable that you can pay attention to. The other thing that I'd kind of hit on is with some of these guys like Kalaja Kanci and some of these other guys, not all of these players that are projected in the top 30 are universal fits, meaning that you need to start looking at some of these other guys, not all of these players that are projected in the top 30 are universal fits, meaning that you need to start looking at some of these teams on the back 10, back half of the first round and kind of start placing players that are a proper fit to the schemes that some of these teams run.

You know, naturally, you don't want to be projecting a 4-3 in to a team that runs a 3-4 and whatnot. So like Kalajikantse, he's a guy who has a high range of outcomes, you know, all the way from like 15 to, you know, the bottom of the first round pick 31. So, you know, when you're looking at some of these things to play in and trying to start matching players to teams, just be aware of scheme fit and that not all of these guys are universal talents. Yeah, it's a great call.

I love what Jeremiah did for the Lions. If I was a lions fan to get witherspoon and can't see i think our fantastic fantastic fits that answers a little bit of the carter question that we had in terms of what kuiper mocked and uh yeah i think those things matter to continue to watch free agency again we were outside of the eye of the storm but we'll continue to have free agent news and that can dictate uh things that we see teams do if teams you know start to get in on you know picking up fifth year options for guys things like that those things can uh can

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