Move The Line - 2024 NFL Mock Draft 3.0 & Combine News!

Episode Date: March 28, 2024

Dive into another NFL Mock Draft to find out where your favorite 2024 rookies could be heading during the NFL Draft. Find out where players like Caleb Williams, Jayden Daniels, Marvin Harrison Jr, Malik Nabers, Rome Odunze, and Brock Bowers are heading in this early look at the NFL Draft!Subscribe to 4for4's Betting Package 👉🏼 https://www.4for4.com/plansSign-up on FanDuel Today 👉🏼 https://www.4for4.com/go/fanduelFollow 4for4 on Twitter 👉🏼  / 4for4football  Follow 4for4 Bets on Twitter 👉🏼  / 4for4bets  Follow Move the Line on Twitter 👉🏼  / movethelinenfl  Follow Connor on Twitter 👉🏼  / connorallennfl  Follow Ryan on Twitter 👉🏼  / rynoonan  Follow Scott on Twitter 👉🏼  / scottsmithff  Visit our Website 👉🏼 https://www.4for4.com/Join our Discord 👉🏼  / discord  Subscribe to our YouTube Channel 👉🏼 https://4for4.co/3OupraJ4for4 Betting Strategy Hub 👉🏼 https://4for4.co/3hm39cw4for4 Betting Picks 👉🏼 https://4for4.co/3LUp0EaNFL Betting Odds & Predictions 👉🏼 https://4for4.co/3nsW9QU

Hello and welcome to Move the Line presented by 4 for 4 Bets. I'm Ryan Noonan and we are a month away from the NFL Draft. Pro days are happening all over the country. We had LSU yesterday. We got Drake May in North Carolina today. We have Washington out west with Michael Penix, the receivers, all that's going on out there. We are excited to be here and again, Move the Line will continue to be your home for all things NFL Draft, NFL Draft betting in particular until we get here we've got a new mock draft from our guy connor allen to talk

about today uh so again if you're hanging out with us on youtube hit the like hit the subscribe all those things uh check us out on the podcast wherever you listen to podcasts subscribe as well we'll get to all the other n stuff, coaching changes, future markets. Those things are starting to come out. Win totals, those are coming out. Maybe some interesting thoughts on the kickoff. I know Connor does not want to talk about new kickoff rules today or swivel hit-drop tackles today.

But hey, Connor, what's going on, buddy? Yeah, not much. I just think it's like the stone cold worst content i just don't think it matters like at all i mean this kickoff thing maybe but i just don't think anyone knows so it's just like so irrelevant so many people are spending like 30 minutes talking about it so i'll give it my you know 20 second rant there and that's about all the breath i'm gonna give it i'm excited for both i mean they're both relevant big tackle guy checking in here i have opinions on the swivel hip drop tackle, which, again,

the swivel piece is important. Swivel hip drop tackle. Basically, shit. So I'll refer to it as shit. It's S-H-D-T. But just to make it short, we'll just refer to it as shit moving forward. I think this shit's going to be impactful when we get into tackle props later in the season.

But we'll get there when we get there. And, you know, kickoffs, I don't know. It's going to be impactful uh when we get into tackle props later in the season uh but we'll get there when we get there uh and you know kickoffs i don't know it's gonna be cool like a run play now i don't know it'd be interesting to see uh also joining us here back in his home from a week in vegas he survived uh the grannies the bookies trying to place their uh 8 a.m uh you know five leg college hoops parlays and stuff uh scott smith what's going on bud what's up guys uh yeah back from vegas uh went from dry heat up there to a lot of pollen down here so a little congested but uh look lsu pro day yesterday i had a few connections up there and uh it's time to get into the thick of it this is the home stretch this last month that we have kind of breaking things down and getting into some things. And you're starting to see a lot of things clear up

and some rumors and things of some teams that are looking to move up and trying to make some moves to solidify their slot to get some of these quarterbacks. Yeah, probably have a pretty free-flowing conversation today. You know, we're talking offline before we get started around conversations with some of the betting markets that are taking shape out there. And again,

some of these are limited to a specific book, which makes it a little bit harder for us, but you know, we have, you know, over under and conference stuff we have over under on, you know, offensive players.

We're starting to get some more, I feeling pretty solid about a handful of like team positional stuff, which I think is a big crux of, you know, mocking at this point. And again, we can throw up Connor, your mock draft that you just did your, think is a big crux of, you know, mocking at this point. And again, we can throw up Connor, your mock draft that you just did your, your 2.0 and kind of, you know,

lead us through discussions on what you want to do here. Obviously we had the LSU pro day yesterday with Jane Daniels that went well. We always jog. I mean, that is the ultimate shorts and t-shirt Olympics. It is, you know, scripted in a very controlled team-led environment, even different than the pro day, which is just kind of a general-led thing. This is very much designed to showcase the university's players and have them perform very well. It'd be hard and strange nowadays to have someone feel like,

oh, that was a really poor pro day. But what are your thoughts? Again, I know you've been kind of, you know, we've kind of led because Caleb feels so locked in to number one. Now, a lot of our discussions have kind of started with Jane Daniels, Drake May, and now we've had some pretty significant line movement. And we can talk about that, I guess, too. Is that noise?

Is that just market steam, which is prevalent at this point, because it doesn't take much to move a market where you know jj mccarthy not only in the mix you know we were pushing back on jj top 10 uh when we first started doing these shows uh but that's more player take base than anything else like jj is now three to one a little shorter than three to one to go second to the commanders you're seeing a lot of mocks where mccarthy is going third to new england and they're bypassing Drake May, which makes me throw up in my mouth a little bit. But what are your thoughts on kind of the four quarterbacks going one,

two, three, four commanders kind of having the anchor to start there at two? Yeah, at this point, I think it's more likely than not to happen, to be honest. I mean, Caleb's locked in at one and all the comments out of two and three, like, you know, people have asked them, are you trading down? And so we'll start with the commanders here. I mean, they didn't say no, but they were pretty much like, you know, it would take like an outrageous amount.

And I think that that was kind of the answer at three as well with the Patriots who said it might be somewhat open to it. But again, like Robert Kraft came out and was like, yeah, maybe we trade down. But at the end of the day, we need a new quarterback. And you're not going to get a quarterback trading down. So, I mean, if at the end of the day you're trading down, I mean, it would be pretty surprising to see them do that unless they had another guy in mind, which I guess is not completely out of the question.

But I don't think that's likely. So, I think we're going to have one, two, three safe put. And that brings us to four here where Minnesota already traded some of their mid-round picks to get another first round pick as ammunition. They're trading to four or five or two or three if it's possible. But again, I don't think that's likely. I think the most likely outcomes here are four or five where they'll pick J.J. McCarthy. So I had a four in this mock and I'll kick it to you guys for some thoughts because Cause I just, you know, unloaded on the top four there, but you know, JJ McCarthy is I buy him as a top five pick. I'm not sure I buy him over Daniels or may that being said. So Gerard Mayo at their, their conference had gave one little tidbit about the number one thing he looks for in a quarterback is decision-making.

I'm not going to say that that's Drake May's strong suit specifically, or Jaden Daniels. I mean, it's not like it's outrageously bad, but I mean, Drake May had plenty of turnovers and that's, I wouldn't say that's not exactly what he's known for. And so that, that certainly is sticking in my mind as something that could be important, but I'm not entirely sure. So that's how I see kind of the top four shaking out as of now. Where are you at here, Scott? Yeah. So I've been chasing down quite a few things here, especially yesterday with LSU Pro Day here locally where I'm at. And look, when it comes to Washington specifically,

I've been on the Drake May train, and the information I'm getting is not pointing in that direction. And specifically what I'm hearing is that Washington has not made a decision, but it's more along the lines of they're putting together a contingency plan should a window open and Caleb Williams become available. I'm hearing that they are still trying to explore options to see if they can get Caleb Williams. But then when you start looking at Chicago and what their actions have been, they haven't done a lot of homework and haven't done a lot of like meetings with Jaden Daniels or Drake May. So what they're showing is that they're, they're not, you know, they're going to pick Caleb Williams to odds reflect that. And Washington is just kind of keeping that, that door open in case it does, you know, make itself available to,

to do, you know, make a, make a move there to, to get Caleb Williams. So Washington still does have some hope. But from what I have heard is that, and this is one of the things when you, I'm just going to kind of get into how I parse through information. Two or three of the things that you'll hear a lot is you'll hear the belief is, or you'll hear the expectations are, or at this time. And when you're hearing that type of information, those specific lines, that's conjecture. And that's a projection based upon incomplete amount of information that's not something that's coming directly from a source. You know, a lot of these media members and guys, when they're in the media and they're getting

something out there, they're going to say, my sources say, and they're going to make sure that they're the first ones getting credit for it. So you're hearing a lot of that right now. And the belief is right now that it's going to be Jaden Daniels. The reasons that I was told it's going to be Jaden Daniels is that specifically, he's just a little bit more dynamic and they think there'll be more competitive and he'll be able to cover up some of the holes that they still have along the offensive line. And they think Jaden Daniels at this point in time will be the person that makes them competitive faster.

So he's the person that I'm hearing that Washington is leaning towards if the Caleb Williams window is indeed shut. I also did hear that Minnesota did make calls up to Washington and some of those conversations surrounded three first-round picks. But the interesting part is that while Minnesota has been heavily linked to J.J. McCarthy and Drake May specifically, that if they did move up to two, it's to get Jaden Daniels that they're interested in, not either of those other two guys.

Washington has not been open to moving down specifically because they want to leave that window open in case there is something for Caleb Williams. But I think they end up staying packed. And as of right now, my mind is changing that it's going to be Jaden Daniels at two. The interesting thing that's happened with this J.J. McCarthy's team is that, which doesn't always happen, especially in draft markets, they don't always reflect the move, is that Jane Daniels over the last week has gone from basically minus 180 to be the number two pick in the draft. It's like minus 115 on FanDuel, minus 120 on DraftKings. That is a more palatable price if you happen to have interest in getting back in that market.

Comparatively, where it had shifted, like I said, we were getting up to like almost minus 200 at a certain point. So very, very interesting. Again, like, you know, a bettable number at this point with, you know, increasing information. So thoughts there, Connor? No, I mean, I think it's becoming like a bettable point. Like at this point, the issue though is like, in my opinion, you know,

normal betting stance, like I think that there's value on this number because I think there's probably 60-40 at this point. Daniels, maybe 60-30-10, 60-30, Daniels, May, McCarthy at this point. But 60% implied probability is way higher than minus 115. So in a normal betting market, I'm betting this, that totally makes sense. But in a draft market, I just think it's a little bit more volatile and flimsy in terms of like, if a report comes out tomorrow that Drake May is the Washington's guy, Drake May is going to be minus 250 in like, you know, 20 minutes. But at the same time, we've seen Albert Breer, Adam Schefter in the last 24 or 48 hours say,

I think they're leading Daniels. Like, and that's what everyone kind of assumes at this point. You know, there was the, the potential signal with the whole Mariota signing, you know, and all that. Like, I think that it's probably, it may not be anything, but I think it's not something, I mean, it's, I would rather have Mariota and Daniels paired together instead of Mariota and like Sam Howell, like the playbook probably just looks different, you know, for your backup. So I don't know. I think that there could be some value there still on Jaden Daniels here. And then McCarthy's team just totally has kind of disrupted that market.

And in my opinion, it's awesome because it leaves way more money-making opportunities at one, two, three, and four and five, to be honest. Interesting, too, because of the consensus when we had the trade back with Minnesota making the acquisition of the second pick in the first round to be able to move up was the first thought was, hey, the Chargers want to move back. You know, the Cardinals are kind of locked in there. But I like what you did here because the Cardinals have basically said we're open for business. They know that they have a lot of needs. They have a quarterback um

and if it's close to for them you know in this instance they have you know 11 23 and 27 years so uh talk to me a little bit about what you did here in terms of mccarthy and then you know landing on marvin harrison to the chargers who've uh you know externally like punted on receiver right like move on from keenan allen again 34 it makes a ton of sense big cap hit you know they had to do a ton of maneuvering to get under the cap number you're moving on from you know mike williams don't have a lot internally you know quentin johnson wasn't the guy last year but like yeah they want to you know make some moves, solidify the offensive line. When you hear more about talk about offensive line, it's like, well, damn,

how are they not taking an offensive lineman? But do they pass on Marvin Harrison at five? That's a stretch for me too. So I kind of like what you did here, but I could be sold on and move back to, but talk to me about that. Yeah. I think starting at number four here, it's my thought process has been kind of as follows. So essentially we know the Cardinals really like Marvin Harrison jr. I mean, that's pretty clear. There's rumors of, you know,

neighbors over Harrison jr. For a couple of teams. I think the Cardinals are very much locked in on Marvin Harrison jr. But if Minnesota is offering two first round picks plus probably a second or a third, what receiver in the league right now is going to get you two plus first round picks. What Jamar chase, Justin Jefferson, end list. I mean, Tyreek Hill was just traded for the 28th

overall pick a couple of years ago, which again, was a bad trade in hindsight. Devontae Adams, like a late first. I mean, no one is grabbing that price tag and you're getting it for a guy who's not even played yet. I mean, he's an awesome prospect. Don't get me wrong, but you're getting immediately two first round picks and they have a lot of holes. So like, do they love Marvin Harrison Jr.? Yeah. But do they also need way more stuff? Yeah. And like, as I lay on this mock, they can get Brian Thomas Jr., A.D. Mitchell and an offensive lineman. Like, I mean, that's a lot filling a lot of gaps there all in one swoop. And so I on top of, you know, the Cardinals potentially being interested in trading back. You have the Vikings interested in trading up.

You have the Giants who are now spending a lot of time traveling all the different pro days to different quarterbacks and like working, doing private workouts, which to me in my mind means that they're not bluffing. Like they actually want a quarterback. So they're, they have to be bidding for number four. We know we've talked about it multiple times, the Broncos. I mean, are they really going to go into the season with whatever junk they have a quarterback right now sean payton has not been shy about moving up in the past like they i could see them unloading this year's first next year's first and next year's second to get up to you know four potentially and i don't think that's that unreasonable either and then we have the raiders too who love jayden daniels who have you know antonio pierce has talked about in plenty

and like i think they're just moving up up. So all of that points to, if two and three aren't trading down, all these teams have to be bull rushing number four at this point. If they're not calling Monty Austin for it, I would be really shocked. So I'm interested to hear your guys' thoughts because in my mind right now,

it's like 80-20 that the Cardinals are trading back. And I know that's way off market and way off market sentiment right now. But like, I just don't see a way that they decide we want Marvin Anderson Jr. more than two plus first round picks. Today's show is sponsored by DraftKings' newest product, PickSix.

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That's kind of nonsense to me in a lot of ways. Historically, you've had some pretty good – Josh Allen was the fourth quarterback in the draft, right? Or the third quarterback in the draft. It just doesn't matter. At the end of the day, if you evaluate the quarterback, I think that he is an answer to a problem that you have. And if you have a problem with quarterback, that supersedes any other problem you have on your roster. You need to have that question have. And if you have a problem at quarterback, that supersedes any other problem you have on your roster. You need to have that question answered. So McCarthy being quarterback four doesn't really change it for me and shouldn't really for others. Denver is going to be aggressive.

They are in the mix. So knowing that Minnesota has the ammo to make it happen as well, like Arizona is in a lovely position to be able to take home more than any trade chart is going to tell you because they're all obviously historically has also been more of a tax paid in these instances when it's a quarterback you know it's not just the straight up change for what the chart says when a quarterback is involved so yeah all those teams are going to be firing uh to try to get up there too scott what are your thoughts yeah there's some information out there that is pointing towards Minnesota having a handshake agreement and framework in place already with the Chargers to move to five and that they've also been in contact with Arizona essentially saying, look, if somebody moves up or gives you an offer, we're willing to match it or

beat it. So the framework looks like it's there based upon rumors and some information that's out there. I'm still trying to track down and verify a little bit more of that with some of their connections that I have. I've also heard that, look, the Giants, they are working out these quarterbacks and that they have made a call to New England to see if New England's willing to move up. And specifically the one that they're interested in is Drake May there at three, if the board does fall with Caleb Williams and Jaden Daniels one and two. So I do think you're going to see a lot of these teams moving up. And one other thing that I've heard here recently is that if the Cardinals do move down, a player to keep in mind that they're high on that's moving

up boards is Quinion Mitchell at cornerback. And they may go ahead and move down, take Quignon Mitchell and address wide receiver and offensive line there later with Mitchell or somebody else is essentially the way that Connor has this mock draft going. So there's a lot of options there. I do think that specifically when you look at Denver and the Raiders, I think they're kind of on the outside looking in, and the fact that they're just a little bit too far out with not enough assets.

I think Minnesota has done the best as far as being able to position themselves to go ahead and get that quarterback. I think McCarthy is kind of the fallback if they miss out on a Daniels and a Drake May. But I don't think that some of these guys, and specifically when you talk about Minnesota, they're looking to make Justin Jefferson happy. He turned down a $30 million a year contract from what they said. There's always going to be that option. They wouldn't let him go or get out for free or anything like that.

So they would always franchise him. But they still want to make their top option happy. They invested in Addison last year, so they have pieces around. They just need to get a quarterback in place, and I think that's what they're going to look to do. And I think that Minnesota is the prime team that's going to move up, and based upon all the information they've already put together, the steps that they need to do so. I still think Denver's a sneaky, sneaky team.

I think they leave this first round with a quarterback. They're either going to try to get up there or they are going to take Bo Nix at 12. They are going to take a quarterback. I don't know what else they're going to do. It seems like I just can't imagine. It's just Jared Stidham. And they're like, oh, we'll figure it out next year with a pretty weak

free agency quarterback. Good quarterbacks just don't hit free agency very often. And, you know, when you have a spot in the draft where you can punt future stuff, because, again, they have very limited draft capital this year in terms of, like, seconds and thirds. Like, it would have to be future plays, considering that the price is going to be pretty expensive for what Minnesota is willing to pay. It's going to be pretty expensive for Denver to do it.

But I think that they take a shot at it because it's like again you don't have a quarterback what do you even do and especially in the division with the chiefs you know with the rebuilds in uh in la with the chargers and stuff so yeah it's it's just a very very interesting discussion so i like what connor did here at the very top um skipping a little bit i want to talk about the most what's kind of like turned into over like the last month the most consensus pick is very weird to see anyone with a mock draft that doesn't have dallas turner at eight what does atlanta do if they don't do dallas turner at eight and if not how far does dallas turner fall uh does he get scooped up with the Bears? Again, like both 8-9 with like Turner and Adunze feel like very, very common here.

Connor, did you give any thoughts about doing anything different on either of those positions? Or what are your thoughts there? Initially, no on Turner at 8. I thought that was kind of more of like a locked-in pick. But, you know, we laid our boy Pretty Ricky to rest a week and a half ago, local Twitter insider. There was nothing and became an instant highlight reel overnight, basically nailing every free agent thing. Anthony Amico just released a mock and found basically the next Pretty Ricky of the Falcons. And he was nailed five or six things in a row as well. And now he's saying

that Dallas Turner is not their number one edge and is that, and that like they do want an edge, but they would like to trade down. But they could be interested in Quinn Young Mitchell as one of their top corners. So I do think that Quinn Young Mitchell at eight is very alive there specifically. And then Roma Dunes, I think if Roma Dunes is there at nine, the bears are going to take him. I got to reach back out to my guy and, you know, see what's up.

He gave us some, some good plugs last year with the darn all right stuff later in the draft. So I got a circle back out to my guy and see what's up. He gave us some good plugs last year with the Don't Know Right stuff later in the draft. So I got to circle back there. But I think we're still a little early. Maybe I'll give it another week or so. So, yeah, I don't know. Dallas Turner 8-7 is almost like locked consensus.

And, I mean, I guess do we even have a reason besides like they need edge and Dallas Turner we think is the best edge? No, I mean, they've been historically bad for like five six years for a pressure standpoint like they they they need it but they definitely like they need corner help as well like uh they they don't have anything there let me look i want to look at uh our guy vegas refunds uh draft sheet here vegas refund will be back with us next week uh there is a rogue 12 uh from a cbs mock uh 11 from uh fantasy pros otherwise you're basically painted eight across the board uh for dallas turner over like the last one year so mock drafts that have come out uh probably even more

like is is consensus consensus gets right now which is you know kind of wild to see so yeah i mean it makes sense but there doesn't seem to be any reporting there per se or anything coming out from atlanta i just kind of a easy connect the dots in terms of you know player range and team need. So that's it. I just want to kind of push back on some of those things and try to stay pliable in terms of information coming in. Cause I do think, you know, cornerback makes a ton of sense for them. You know, and I think when you Mitchell's kind of separated himself as more of the

consensus corner one here, as we've got further along for the process. So that one makes a lot of sense. Interesting here. And again, you can circle back to anything else that you wanted, Connor. You did kind of a double dip for the Cardinals at 11 and 23 with wide receiver. Thoughts there? Because obviously it's an interesting thing,

knowing that they have a ton of team needs, cornerback being one of them, and like Scott even mentioned, with Mitchell being in play for them at 11. Yeah. The, the Arizona connects that I had said that they want to prioritize obviously wide out and offensive line. And then maybe, maybe corner as well. Like it's just kind of like that connection right there.

And so I thought Brian Thomas jr. Made a ton of sense if they missed out on Marvin Harrison jr. I do want to circle back real quick to Marvin Harrison jr. Stuff. So I've been playing like some – so first off, initially, I tried talking you guys into Marvin Harrison Jr. at six by kind of this theory of like JJ – or someone trades up to four to take JJ McCarthy.

The Chargers, I mean, there's been nonstop drumbeat about them wanting to trade down, about them wanting to take defense, about them wanting to get offensive line. None of it really is about Marvin Harrison Jr. But if you go back to a year ago when these teams had no reason to lie, Harbaugh had no reason to lie. He was just a coach at Michigan. He said that they specifically tried to double cover Marvin Harrison Jr. as much as possible. Their defensive coordinator said he's the best wide receiver prospect the last 15 to 20 years. That same defensive coordinator is now the DC of the chargers um harbaugh played with marvin harrison jr's dad in on the colts for multiple years like to me this just seems like one of

those things that no one talks about it and then draft day we're like oh of course the team that lost multiple receivers and coached against this guy who went for 250 total yards against them in two games uh and two touchdowns on like 15 receptions like and they like viewed as like one of the best prospects ever that they drafted so that would totally make sense to me but it also makes sense for the me just for them to not do that and decide to do something else so i sprayed some like i've been sprinkling the board with some non-marvin harrison jr four stuff so like 6, 7. I even played to the Bears. I think the Bears could trade up to 5

even if they wanted to. That's like 20-1 right now in ESPN. But again, long numbers. I think 7 was like 100-1 or something like that. So it takes crazy stuff to happen, but I'm pretty sure the Giants are Malik neighbor's team. That's what everything points towards that. I think they're a team that could

actually have neighbors ahead of Harrison. I don't think the Chargers are that team. I don what's up. Everything's points towards that. Like I think they're a team that could actually have neighbors out of Harrison. I don't think the charge of that team. I don't think the Cardinals are that team, but I mean, crazier stuff has happened, right? Yeah.

Yeah. I mean, they are currently on draft Kings minus one 50 to take an offensive lineman first plus one 30 to take a wide receiver first. I think the interesting piece is probably better like honing in on Harrison specifically versus just, you know, painting the broad wide receiver odds there,

which is, which is interesting. So, yeah. I don't know any thoughts there, Scott, in terms of like the Harrison, the neighbor steam,

you know, Jeff in the chat mentions to neighbor stock seems to be going up any chance. He is ahead of Maserati Marv? I mean, I talked about it last week. I think it's just kind of fancy play syndrome. I think these general managers like to make safe picks too. I think Harrison is both safe with a ton of upside and Harrison being the safer prospect with the name value and all that stuff is just something that teams like to do sleep better at night,

not having to feel like they have to defend Malik neighbors over Marvin Harrison over the next handful of years. What are your thoughts to kind of how those wide receivers are playing out there? I think there is some legitimacy that there is team. There are a few teams that have neighbors over Marvin Harrison jr. But the one thing that I go back to is Marvin Harrison jr. Has chosen not to work out, back to is Marvin Harrison Jr. has chosen not to

work out, not to do much of anything. He has the NFL connections through his dad and some other things. And I just think for him to make that decision of how this draft process is going to play out, he's had to have some type of guarantees from some of these teams that are here in that front five to six, seven picks that he's going to be the guy over Malik neighbors. I think him not working out maybe has turned off a few teams front offices that want to have access to him and see some of those things. But he's chosen just to stand on his tape and his tape is very good. Neighbors went out and blew it away yesterday as far as the, you know, just athleticism.

I think he's proven he's the more explosive wide receiver of the two um if you're comparing those two and here locally the the teams that he was seen with out around town was uh specifically Tennessee and Arizona from what I've been told um those two teams showed a lot of interest there yesterday at LSU's pro day and have been connected to him so those those teams are doing their due diligence. But I think it's going to be Harrison as the first wide receiver off the board and first non-quarterback off the board, whether that be at four to Arizona or five there to the Chargers.

It's going to be one of those two teams. Yeah, you're still having to pay a premium, a little less of a premium than before. First non-quarterback off the board, minus 500. Last time we met, it was minus 800. So that is dipped a little bit. And obviously that's coincided with a rise from Malik Nabors, who's gone from five to one to three to one,

to be the first non-quarterback off the board. Conor, I'll kick it to you. You kind of take us anywhere you want in terms of where we were at in here, in the double-digit low teens or anything you have. I mean, we've kind of spent a lot of our time over the last handful of shows here and we can touch on some other markets that are out there currently. But any positions that were hard, any teams that you feel locked in on a player or a position or anything else you want to talk about here in the mock? Yeah, I think there are a couple of interesting points. The corners are really interesting because like Quinnian Mitchell,

I think he can go as high as eight as we talked about. 15 to me feels like it's floor. I think that the Colts are just a perfect fit for him. Like in terms of Chris Ballard, love size speed guys. I think Quinnian Mitchell had like a nine, six, a RAS score. So a relative athletic score. I'd 17 corner for the Jags. It makes a lot of sense.

I think with Terryry and arnold there and then uh this the bangles drafting offensive line and saints drafting offensive line both uh with given kind of like recently what we've seen i know that the saints just signed uh or no the uh bangles just signed another offensive lineman uh trent brown i believe it was and but the saints was a ryan rams check uh mean, like, has a debilitative knee and, like, may not play again. And they already need offensive line help. So, I don't know. I think that 14, especially given how many offensive linemen are just, like, awesome in this year's class.

Like, I think Saints O-line was super strong. It was almost an official play of ours. I know it. But it was minus 120, only a draft King $70 limit. Again, I mean, we're, we are respectable touts, you know, not going to just tout one out things with $70 limits. We would like at least two plus out. So we will have plenty of stuff, but it just wasn't the right time. Caesars didn't post, Fandle didn't post. And of course Fandle posted and it's like minus 200. So what are we going to do? Still a good bet. I mean, it's just still Fandle posted and it's like minus 200 so what are we gonna do still a good bet I mean it still is I mean it's like it feels in terms of like this range and again I know

not everyone has an appetite for minus 200 but like I don't know like I just can't imagine a scenario where they go anywhere else in the first round I thought they were doing this before when there were questions around Ram checks and Scott you could talk about this local guy there uh in louisiana like now that we have this news where there's even more concern about his ability to even play at all this year like it feels like an absolute lock so like again to connor's point when we touched on the jayden daniels thing like it's a different market versus like the 60 30 10 stuff with jayden daniels versus what you would do in a typical betting market like feeling like what we know even though it's minus 200 like i feel like that's like the 60, 30, 10 stuff with Jaden Daniels versus what you would do in a typical betting market, like feeling like what we know, even though it's minus 200, like I feel like that's

still a really viable play. Cause I can't imagine the Saints doing anything else. Yeah. So as far as Ramchak goes, it's been known down here, you know, since middle of last season, even before that, that, that he's having complications. And essentially what it is, is that he's got no cartilage left in that knee. It was known when he was coming out the draft that he was going to have some knee issues and that it could shorten his career. And that's exactly what it's played out to be. They did go and run him through a surgery here recently.

It's not responded well, as they hope. And I think there are some real issues that he will end up retiring and maybe not play another game for the rest of his career. So I think that's a very real possibility. Everybody around here has expected them to go ahead and draft offensive line. The one name that I do hear, and it's a name that I hear from multiple teams in this range, is that Brian Thomas is a guy that the Saints are interested in. But specifically being hamstrung by the offensive line is something that they need to address. It's just hard to see them going ahead and drafting offensive line.

I mean, anything other than offensive line. If they were not to pick offensive line and Brian Thomas were on the board, he's the guy I would look to. But the two names that I'm hearing consistently with the Saints are specifically Talese Fuaga and then Olufesanu as well. Those are two guys specifically. Feshanu, I hear that they like his footwork and his movement skills and would project him there on the left side. But the Saints are so hamstrung as far as salary cap, it's just not easy for them to address this any way other than the draft. Yeah, yeah, no, it's a great point. Yeah, still the $200 draft Kings as well. Still feels like a really, really strong look. Connor, you touched on the Bengals there too.

The Bengals are interesting to me. The guy that you have going right behind to the Rams, Byron Murphy feels like a absolute great fit for what the Bengals need with DJ Reader moving on bj hill in the last year of his deal uh is a massive massive need now again like yeah he talked they touched on trent brown they brought him in to kind of solidify you're the right side of the line with jonah williams moving on trent brown really struggled last year in new england didn't play a ton i had jeff in the chat he's an absolute turnstile yeah it's it wasn't great but like you also have your other massive need uh fitting a significantly i think a really exciting player i mean i like byron murphy and he's a great fit

for the rams as well so i can get on board for both i just think when you look at kind of the betting market where we could see here we get get some interesting prices. Some of the stuff on the Bengals makes a lot of sense, minus 200 to take an offensive lineman, which is what you have here. Defensive line is plus four and a quarter, which again, from a sprinkling standpoint, I'm a little bit interested in where you just kind of blindly locked into offensive line or any thoughts on that? No, that makes a lot of sense, especially kind of the way you broke it down. I would love some Byron Murphy unders on an over under, you know, I think we probably would have gotten a better price like a week or two ago

because he seemed to be more like a back twenties kind of guy. And I think that he's more of like a late teens, early twenties kind of guy. I mean, someone even, I don't know, maybe it was that same guy that talked about the Falcons or something like had them like one of their top picks as Byron Murphy. So, I mean, that would obviously be a massive reach relative to our expectations, but again, wouldn't be the first time that NFL teams just said, you know, threw up a middle finger to the mock drafters and pick the guy like 15 spots too early. Yeah. I had him at 13 and the Raiders and my first mock draft, but that was before

the Christian Wilkins signing that changes things a little bit there. But yeah, I mean, he's an exciting prospect and does fit a need there too. I understand, obviously, if you're the Bengals, the investment in the offensive line, protecting Joe Burrow, giving him time to do stuff makes a ton of sense. You need to have some long-term answers there too. I also feel really good about the Chargers. I'm sorry, the Jaguars, as you mentioned, going corner. That fits a massive need.

We've heard some stuff from Trent Baalke just talking about needing to bring in talent there. We're getting into some spots where we're having to lay a little bit of juice to get there on some of these. Jags, though, minus 110 to take a corner. Next on the board would be plus 180 to take a wide receiver like i know gabe davis has some concerns but like they do have some bodies there uh whereas like they need a ton of help uh at corner and they try to roll it back basically with the entirety of the defense from the year before last year that did not go very well you're being able to get you know consensus top corner there makes a ton of sense like again we're a

month out do i want to like take that step when it's like 140 and on the move versus when it's 110 i don't know i kind of like jags laying minus 110 to take a corner any thoughts i i'm curious though so my only concern is like arnold could very easily go 13 to the raiders i know that they've been connected a bunch so if and mitch Mitchell, I think again, the 15 I've said, I think that's like legit his floor. Like who did the Jags pick them? Like, did they read, they grabbed Wiggins? Is it like, you know, Kool-Aid?

It feels like he's kind of more like a back half of the first round guy. You know, that's my, my only concern about laying juice is like, if those two guys are gone, like, I mean, the Jags hand might be forced unless they like really like Nate Wiggins, which maybe they do. you know i guess maybe they're nate wiggins you i don't know you put any thought into that if it's not at the top two guys yeah no it's totally fair so i think wiggins is tough to peg because he could go i think to the the jags or he could fall all the

way down to like the late you know early 30s the bottom part of this first round depending on you know because again like he's an outlier in terms of his size uh you know it has some nice tape but he's just real thin we have the emmanuel forbes thing last year which kind of broke the model that didn't go so well manual forbes like got benched mid-season uh and had trouble staying on the field uh for the commanders last year so again these are you know kind of like the uh the john ross uh you know xavier or anything like there's precedent for it yeah it didn't always go so well right the teams want to like use the one example sample to be like oh no i'm i'm making a decision or not making a decision based off of it i think some kool-aid stuff has been positive as of late uh i could see him going a little bit higher than maybe we first uh had him going So yeah, there's at least options.

You know, Cooper DeGene, if he gets healthy enough where he can start to test and show out for pro days and one-on-ones, like his versatility is nice, especially since they moved on with, you know, Rayshon Jenkins going to Seattle, like his ability to play maybe safety and corner could work as well. So I think it's a totally fair point, but I think there are enough viable options here in the back half that are

going in this range. Whereas I do think we all agree that Mitchell and Arnold are kind of in the tier above everyone else. There's enough there for them to find a need where it's a really clear home run for them. Any Scott, any, any concerns here,

things to add here, Scott on Jacksonville. Yeah, I tend to agree. And Arnold's actually in my next mock draft. That's where I have him pegged is there at 17. So we're in agreeance there. But it is like you said, you know, if it's not Arnold and it's not Quinn on Mitchell already off the board, it kind of gets hard. I don't know, you know, Nate Wiggins, there are the size concerns like

we discussed. But specifically, I think McKintry is a guy that might start moving back up. Supposedly, he ran at his pro day even with the injury and still put in mid-four-fours. So it's just a matter of projecting how long the recovery is going to be after he does have a procedure done, if he can get back in time for camp and whatnot. So I think he's a guy that you'll probably start to see rise a little bit. But I think him, Cooper DeGene, and Nate Wiggins are all kind of jumbled up for that third, and it's just going to be a matter of health.

I think if you start going into size and some other things, I think DeGene and McKinstry kind of may end up jumping Wiggins if their health pans out. So I think that size issue is going to end up jumping wiggins if their health pans out so i think that size issue is is gonna gonna end up being an issue for some teams as far as fitting specifically schemes that they run on the back end yeah you make a good point connor it is definitely you'll probably the reason to not make the play at this point but um yeah it's definitely one that i have like in pencil circles trying to like net you guys to fire on all we need is a little bit of rumblings

that they like like another guy you know what i mean for sure i'll be down you know just because like we just don't have any like real other connections at this point because it makes sense on paper and if we hear that they're like cooper to gene you know in play there then i think we're i'd feel a little more comfortable with the minus 110 there specifically um i feel like we should talk about xavier worthy because we talked about him a lot offline. You guys said you don't have him in your first round mock. I have him at 28. Again, it's kind of like that field stretcher replacing Gabe Davis for the Bills. Broke the NFL combine record. I tweeted out a comparison to his stats of John Ross. Both were eerily similar in terms of yards per reception, total yards, their final year. John Ross is 20 pounds heavier than Xavier Worthy, which obviously matters.

And so then John Ross is also a massive bust in the ninth overall selection. But at the same time, you get in this back half, I think Buffalo would really benefit from a field stretcher like him, and it makes sense there. Maybe, I mean, even a team like Arizona at 27, if for some reason they trade back, I think could make sense. They don't have Marquise Brown. Like, I think that would not be, you know, I'm taking AD Mitchell at 23, but Mitchell could easily be gone before that as well. So, um, like, I think that he's, to me, he's kind of like a, you know, 60, 40 first round

guy. And to you guys, it seems like he's more like a 40, 60 outside looking in. Uh, do I have that right? I feel like that, that was kind of the sentiment that I got from you guys. Scott, I'll let you go first here. Yeah, so for me, I have him on the outside of the first round, specifically when we're talking about Buffalo. Buffalo signed Curtis Samuel, who's probably going to play out of the slot.

Stephon Diggs is kind of up in the air. You actually have lines out as far as where he's going to play for his next team to open up the season. I still think he ends up staying with Buffalo. And then you have to ask yourself, you know, Khalil Shakir kind of came on towards the end of the year. You know, did he do enough maybe to fill that position that maybe you think Xavier Worthy is being drafted for there in Buffalo? So those are some of the questions that I have. But specifically, when we start talking about Xavier Worthy, you know, some team, some scout

is going to fall in love with that, that speed factor. And it only takes one. It is an elite trait that he has. So there is some justification as far as him having it. I just don't see it right now at this point. And the reason being is I just think there's some stronger plays, some stronger players looking to get in there at the bottom part of that first round, specifically when we start talking about some of these offensive tackles are some of the players that I like. And then you have to kind of like look at some of the other needs. And look, when it comes to Buffalo, I think Buffalo in particular has, you know, a few needs that they they had a lot of a lot of players leaving, you know, due to due to some

of the salary issues that they've had. So I think there's some stuff that they need to replace on defense and, you know, even a few holes along the offensive line. So I think Buffalo is a tricky team to go ahead and project, but you know, if you start buying into the Stefan Diggs being going thing, then Xavier Worthy makes sense there. Yeah. I think the trade is electric. It is, you know, outside of some of the other trades, maybe the most desirable traits is the sexy trait for sure. And he like has it in spades in a way that no one else has ever done. You know, and as comes from, you know, there's a little bit of profile there, right? He went to Texas. This isn't a kid that was just like, you know, in a small school ran really fast. Like he, you know, I think that

pedigree piece matters. Part of it for me is just finding a home for him. It's not about first round, second round. It's kind of the, I don't think he goes ahead of AD Mitchell. You don't have, that's what you have to, you have Mitchell going ahead of him. Then you get into like where the rest of that back half. And if we look at like your fourth column here of teams, which is, I don't think he goes ahead of that personally. I have a hard time fitting him in, in any of these other teams. You could sell me, I guess, on the Cardinals at 27, if they didn't go, you know, wide receiver with one of the

other two picks. Obviously hard for you to do here because three wide receivers would be definitely a stance, right? We're coming out of this with pass catchers for Kyler. Then you get into like, again, Buffalo makes a lot of sense. I'm with Scott. Like I have Cooper DeGene there right now. Cause I think he fits a mold with, you know, losing safety help, losing Tredavious White. They have a lot of young corners that necessarily aren't top performers. So I think they need some sort of answer there at corner. I think Detroit's really hard to peg. They're going to go probably, you know, best player on the board. Cause they can afford to, and, you know, maybe have some, you know know maybe that's a spot for them but like is he a little

bit redundant with with like jameson williams probably right like it's a fast team if they did it that's that's hot but like a little bit interesting you know i think that they would probably do something different there too and then in terms like the last three teams i don't think those teams anymore like personally i think it's offensive line for Casey. It's probably your like last landing spot on the board that someone would push back on. But I think that that's an offensive line team right now based off of all the needs and some of the moves that they've had in the off season.

So it's not about worthy or not worthy for, you know, being a first round pick a pun intended, but I just think it's more of difficulty finding a landing spot. So, and I get why you's more of difficulty finding a landing spot. So, and I get why you did it with Buffalo. Yeah. The discussion around conference discussions more interesting because that's the other one we were having.

If you want to kind of touch base on that Connor. Yeah. So we were looking at over under players in, I think this is big 12 specifically here. So if we're looking at them, the big 12 here, we have, I guess like five ish guys that we're considering here. So if we're looking at them, the big 12 here, we have, I guess like five-ish guys that we're considering here. I'm trying to pull up the sheet here, but it's my streaming thing is

blocking it. Okay. Position total. So big 12, we have Byron Murphy, Tyler Guyton, A.D. Mitchell, Xavier Worthy, Kingsley, Suma, and Zach Frazier. I mean, that's six guys. You need four of them to go. It's about even money right now. We were kind of going back and forth on this. I think the over could be worth a good look because again, I have worthy in the, in the first round, even if he does go, I think Suma is an interesting look. I kind of have Murphy and Guyton as almost locks at this point with AD Mitchell, essentially almost a lock as well so I mean you just need one of those three guys to go I still think the over is interesting look but I'll kick it to you guys because I think we had some some disagreement there I'm kind of right

there I think it's probably a viable bat but like it's to your same point of like you're pushing back on the Jacksonville thing I'd love to have like a little bit more clarity I kind of think those first three are locks personally like I think there's Byron Murphy, no doubt Tyler Guyton going like in like 90% of mocks according to a VR sheet here. Uh, 80 Mitchell increasingly too. He's right around there. 85% of first rounds. Uh, and that feels like it's happening for sure. Then it gets into the fact that you need, you know, one of the next three guys that are all kind of borderline softly in, right? So again, you have three outs. The one element, Scott, that I think we both agree on that kind of changes the math here is what happens at 12 and 13 with Bo Nix and Michael Penix. Those quarterbacks, one or two of them getting added

to the fray pushes some stuff down that makes it a little bit interesting and that becomes a fairly decent sweat uh and again something that i think is interesting connor like popped it into our chat we were talking it was like plus 110 that's interesting but not like a oh yeah we got to get it right now uh what are your thoughts scott yeah i i'm leaning and starting to feel more strongly that there are going to be five quarterbacks there taking in the first round of the draft. Specifically, when we start looking at the Big 12, I think a lot of these guys are kind of on the bubble. I've heard that Kansas City very strongly likes Kingsley, Sua, Mattia. But one of the other guys that we're kind of split on is when you start

talking about the center out of Frazier out of West Virginia he's a guy that I've heard that while he is liked that you know some scouts do like him that he doesn't have any elite traits he came back and you know had a good season and everything but like his best trait is going to be his movement that specifically when it comes to scouting him, that teams are a little concerned about his play strength. When you start talking about movement skills, that would kind of peg him there, 31, to San Francisco with some of the movement stuff that they run along the offensive line.

But I've heard specifically, Tony Pauline's one person that you can go ahead and look at. I want to say Michael Lombardi was another one that basically came out and said that they don't see Frazier. And from people that they've talked to, he will not be a first round pick. So I struggle with having him as one of those possible outs to go ahead and get you above that line there for the big 12 players. I think if I had to, you know, put my money on a player, it would be Sua Mataya. But then when you start adding him and Worthy into the mix and start thinking about, is a team going to move up to grab that quarterback in the first round and trade into those last four to five picks? Who are the players that are going to drop out there?

And I think those are those bubble players that we're looking at here in the Big 12. Yeah, well said. I think that's all viable points. Definitely something to kind of watch because it's, you know, I think Connor makes a good point. He's got, I think, again, swimming in the right waters here that make a ton of sense.

Interesting question here, Connor, if you want to touch on this in the chat or whatever, wherever else you want to go. Yeah, so Brian, I'll touch on this real quick. Brian, 101 offshore, MHA to go seventh, worth it. One through four QB, chargers, offensive tackle or defense, New York Giants neighbors. Yeah, I mean, that's a scenario that would have to happen.

I mean, I think it's certainly more likely than one out of every 100 times. So, yeah, I mean, I put like, I mean, 15 bucks or whatever to win 1,500. So it's like, you know, in this day and age, that's not even like Chipotle at this point. So, you know, whatever. Some lunch money, you know, go crazy with it. Again, I'm just kind of not even like Chipotle at this point. So, you know, whatever. Some lunch money, you know, go crazy with it. Again, I'm just kind of, I like to, at this point, I am trying to maximize like the crazy outcomes, put a little bit here and there.

And then if all it takes is getting one right, you know, like that's all it takes and it'll pay for all the rest plus a lot more. So I think there's still going to be a lot of changes that happened before the draft. But something that I specifically, you know, notice betting on the NBA draft, NHL draft, the NFL draft last year, information for three months leading up to the draft, like 80% of it was junk. 24 hours before the draft, 48 hours before the draft, information was like 75% correct. Like it was just like way, way, way more accurate. It wasn't even close.

And so something I'm trying to avoid this year is getting locked in on, you know, anything that's like super minus money outside of like, again, like a Saints offensive line. Like they just can't physically trot out a line that's, you know, like they have. And so the top part of the draft and same for number four. So that's kind of my, my take there. I know I went a little longer on it than possible,

but just philosophically that's where we're at right now. I think in the draft period, but maybe the next two weeks we'll start laying a little bit more there. There was, I guess something else that I wanted to add, but I kind of lost my train of thought. Oh yeah. Scott question here.

So pack 12 over under is interesting that if you think one of the quarterbacks goes, we're talking about Bo Nix or Michael Penix, they're over under six and a half. You need Caleb Odunza, Fuaga, Fatu, all locks. That's four guys right there. And then you need two or three, three of Jackson Powers, Johnson, Latu, Nix, Penix, Jordan Morgan, or Troy Franklin in as well.

There's a lot of outs there. My concern was that JPJ and Latu were both a little sketchy in terms of their draft stocks. But any thoughts there on the Pac-12? Yeah, I actually like that number. I'm going to have to look into it a little bit more. Specifically, I think Latu is kind of one of the guys that you have to look at, but both of the quarterbacks are outs. I like the outs that you have there. And just to kind of piggyback off of what you were talking about with trying to find like plus money on a lot of these and not getting locked into some of the odds that you have early on,

because the information will become clear. I think it's also important to set aside and decide what your bankroll is going to be for betting the NFL draft and set aside, look, whether your risk, whether your risk tolerance is to go ahead and say, look, I'm going to use 20 to 15 percent of what my budget is to go ahead and play some of these long shots that will pay for a lot of other bets. I think it's important to figure out. But, you know, when it comes to looking at specifically the Pac-12, Jordan Morgan is a guy that is getting a lot of love and being connected to a lot of teams. Specifically, when you start talking about Baltimore there at 30, I've heard that they love both Guyton and Jordan Morgan as far as prospects there at 30. But I think there are a lot of outs for Pac-12. I mean, excuse me, Pac-12, whatever they are now.

But I think there's a lot of outs there for those guys and from these teams to go ahead and hit the over. I like the value there. It's a great look. The problem is the bets minus 180 on Caesars. So, you know, I think there are a lot of outs. There are a bunch. But again, it gets into the discussion of like the Saints number.

Like, yeah, draft betting is different. I'm just way more willing to lay a little bit of juice if I feel like we either have information or there are so many buying signs, team needs and players that are gaining steam that are becoming more solidified into the first round. So, yeah, it's a great look, but the prices. Yeah, I'll never forget. What was it? Barry Horses quote like four or five years ago at this point. It's like draft betting is not about the bets that are minus 100 or even money that should be minus 200.

It's about the bets that are whatever they are, but are actually minus infinity. That's what you should be focusing on for draft season. It's so, so much more important and you make so much more money on things that you know are going to happen and are way, way more likely instead of just the bets that like have value in traditional sports betting sense. A hundred percent. Correct. Like Jeff gets it. Like, you know, yeah, I'm willing to go all in here on the draft. I've been on Scotty Scheffler win golf tournaments and to do really good things in golf tournaments. So I have extra money in my account all the time. Cause that guy just does those things. And then I can, you i can you know we just we have more money to play with in the draft so it makes it a little bit easier mj knows

juice isn't real uh you know you only have to pay it when you lose uh as a classic mj uh saying so yeah it's uh it's interesting so let's get into some more i have a couple other thoughts that are in this like no juice section here uh going back on the draft here. Miami Dolphins are currently minus 180 on DraftKings to select an offensive lineman. They have a massive, massive need to select an offensive lineman. When you look here on recent mocks, looking at VR sheets, 56% of the drafts have the Dolphins taking an offensive lineman pretty high, with them taking a defensive lineman. With all that they want to do with the way that the cog of that offense runs, quick timing, you have to keep Tua protected. And the interior of that offensive line is a disaster right now. Considering the talent available in this offensive line,

whether it's internally here with JPJ, with what Connor did, or it's something along the edge, they need to do something to address the offensive line. Again, minus 180, really, really tough. And the odds based off of what's going on in VR sheet don't tell you that that's a buy. But any mock that I respect

has Miami taking an offensive lineman. I can't be sold on anything different a buy, but any mock that I respect has Miami taken offensive lineman. I can't be sold on anything different. Scott, any thoughts there? Yeah. The, the player that I'm actually looking at is offensive lineman. It's Graham Bartman there, Grant Barton from Duke. He's a guy that I think fits what they want to do. The, the issue when they, when you have multiple positions across your offensive line that are in flux and the fact that Barton can play all five positions, I think he makes a lot of sense for everything that they run. He's not specifically scheme dependent.

He's versatile, can play multiple schemes, good movement, good power. I think he makes a lot of sense there to Miami. And I'm with you. I think it's going to be an offensive lineman, but these books are starting to get sharper and sharper with where they're aligning some of the things. And specifically, the books are waiting longer and longer periods, getting closer and closer to the draft to let some of these lines out.

So that's part of the issue you have here. Yeah, we're not getting over-under on these players. That's actually going to be really challenging, I think, is to parse through some of the over-unders, specifically on offensive linemen, because, yeah, we know they're going in the first round but like where they go to be very specific if you're a like right tackle only are you playing interior offensive line like that becomes very very difficult to kind of parse through that's going to make it pretty challenging in my opinion uh to

kind of suss through connor but any thoughts on the dolphins or you know you're a dolphins to a stand and you have a dolphins to a tramp stamp, uh, that, you know, you got a couple of years ago. Yeah, no, it still holds up. Well, I mean, two and on forever, baby. Uh, never, never backing down. No, I think that they do need some help up front. I think that they really, I mean, like to be more versatile with their offense, like they need, he needs time. Like he needs, he needs a little bit so that they can be better in the running game so that they can introduce more concepts than just like slants and goes to Tyree Gill and Jalen Waddle. I mean, it's literally, it's like either that or like deep play action where they hope to

hit them over the middle. And that's about all they got. I would love to see him, you know, kind of introduce some more stuff and they, I mean, they just need a better offensive line, but a market that I've been waiting for is just like the, to be a first round pick market, you can usually parlay that stuff too on FanDuel. They dropped to be a top five pick. I mean, you can't parlay it yet, so it's not that interesting, but I thought it was notable that JJ McCarthy is minus 300 to be a top five pick. If we get an over-under on him right now, I think that we're probably seeing four and a half or three and a half juice over, you know one of those two because i mean the hype to two is pretty real but i guess i'm not buying it there specifically i will say noon

after the show you should look fanduel dropped all of their team to position okay almost like like an extra like 10 15 and they're releasing stuff every day so shout out to fanduel doing you know lord's work there uh draft kings we need some some more out of you because i mean we just need more limits and this is getting ridiculous yeah the more outs i mean having some of these markets that we like that we are resistant to fight like the you know saints one is a great example like you know we both wanted to bet it we will try to bet it's a 70 limit with one out this is really hard to like send to subscribers and be like uh here you go uh we're gonna move the market as well and then you can can get just a little bit down.

So yeah, good luck. It's just, it's not our brand. It's not what we do. Others, they're fine with that, which is no, it's not how we hang. Yeah. Anything else in closing? Let me, I want to look at this Chiefs here real quick. Cause again, I know we still are,

we're kind of more consensus on offensive line. Whereas, you know, still receivers is the favorite in the market, minus 110, for the Chiefs to go receiver with their first pick. Offensive line, plus 210 on DraftKings. That's interesting to me. Corners moved with the Sneed news. I thought that that was a little bit more interesting. I think it was like 6-1 before the Sneed trade,

and I thought that that was viable. They do have some depth there. They've drafted it well there in the last handful of years. So that's in play for me, but two to one offensive line, pretty interesting. Any thoughts there, Connor,

or anything else you want to touch on before we wrap it up? I played chiefs corner at seven to one before they, before they lost Snead, but that, I don't know. I feel like that I might just play offensive line at this point and kind of like de-risk and just, you know, hopefully it's one of those two because I'm not, I'm not entirely sure the most I was totally on my Italian, my, my draft props. And this is just a bonus for anyone who's listed, listen, 58 minutes here.

Uh, the most ridiculous bet that I've made so far, Brock Bowers of the Cowboys at 75 to one, uh, of them trading up into the early to mid-teens for a guy like brock i mean it's the most jerry move of all time i think would be trading up to get brock bowers nice sec boy absolute stud um i don't know some b writers have him like number one on the projected cowboys board so i don't know just some thoughts i don't need that that's that's fun they're all in this why not yeah no 75 to 1 at this point like scott's in the chat we know nothing just take long shots like uh yeah i mean not that we know nothing per se but his point is is there's a lot of conjecture a lot of like group think and like being able to connect dots like connor's talking about there

that do make sense. You obviously need a couple things to happen for it to go that way. He's not falling to 24. But again, it's the draft. Stranger things happen. They want to take a swing. They're kind of essentially telling you they're going all in by not doing anything with Dak's contract, which is definitely an interesting thing too.

So yeah, I don't hate that too. The other one is the Steelers offensive line. You see the Steelers like needs listed. It's like interior offensive line, like tackle. We're still talking about offensive linemen, right? Like it's just other than, you know, you know, the tackle that they got last year, like they're kind of good

and you can lay some juice for it. Obviously you need to, but does that make a ton of sense to me? It does. Offensive line minus 140 for the Steelers. i know wide receivers in play i guess plus two and a quarter is the next play i still think cornerback is a need for them but maybe not in the first rounds after you know acquiring dante jackson in the uh the johnson trade there so i mean minus 140 steelers is one like i feel like we're gonna know but like it

feels like an offensive lineman guys i don't know like yeah i'm i'm in this this like i'm just swimming around these i want to lay some juice part of it is i do think i want to get some bets down but i also do think like i'd be very surprised if these things change based off of anything that can go on right now in free agency there's just not a lot of big name free agencies that are going to additions that are going to change teams first round draft needs at this point so any thoughts there scott on uh steelers offensive line 140 yeah that's pretty much where i have them projected at as well most of the mock drafts that you're going to see specifically when you start mapping out where where a lot of the players are going to be available at and specifically team needs that's that's kind of it i think you're right when you start mapping out where a lot of the players are going to be available at and specifically team needs, that's kind of it.

I think you're right when you talk about wide receiver being kind of one of the other places. One of the wide receivers that I have heard connected to them is Tyler Boyd. I heard that that may be a signing that they make here shortly. So that could kind of maybe fill that wide receiver issue that they have and push it a little bit more towards offensive line. So that's, you know, one of the things. Just a few notes for me to kick it off with and kind of finalize some things.

I have a friend of mine that I've known for about 18 years that's involved with, you know, some sports management and managing a few of these players and stuff. But specifically the Bo Nix talk, when we start talking about Bo Nix, I'm hearing from him specifically that teams are higher on Bo Nix and they have higher grades than they currently have projected grades onto the top quarterbacks coming out next year, talking about Shadur Sanders and a couple of other guys.

So Bo Nix is a guy that a lot of front offices trust to run the offense. I think he is a fit there in Denver for what Sean Payton wants to do, somebody that will go out and not make a lot of off-key plays and follow specifically the reads that are within the offense. He's been connected there with Denver. I hear that Denver is also looking at Pennix as an option as well, but the situation that Denver finds himself in is not wanting to overpay and overdraft one of these players. So the option that I'm hearing is that

they're looking and exploring options to move into the back part of the draft, but it's really what they're going to do. And we've talked about it here offline. That's not a situation you play with too often where you trade back to get a quarterback. It's going to be interesting to see what Denver does there. Brian Thomas, specifically from the pro day yesterday, is a guy that is getting a lot of hype from a lot of teams there that are in the wide receiver market. Specifically, within that 10 range, I've heard him there connected to the Jets. I've heard that he's an option for Arizona, Denver, even with the Saints. So I think he's a guy that's going to probably end up getting drafted a little bit higher than what he's at. I think expected draft position has him around like 18 or 19 right now.

I think he's going to go in the top half. Team to draft Bo Nix on Fanuel uh denver broncos plus 160. they are plus 470 to draft michael pennix they are minus 125 to draft a quarterback in the first rounds uh draft keys does not have that market but they are uh it's only available on on chandel i was and that's a number that's come down because when you look at bo nicks connected to denver a week a couple weeks ago it was it was plus 200 plus 250 they're taking a quarterback man i'm telling you i don't know who's gonna be but they're taking a quarterback like we might not like it like it's again like the quarterback's so hard to evaluate teams miss all the time we think we know about bo nicks we're probably right but like dude it's so

hard like so hard like so hard my quarterback so I mean yeah I think these are just again you're not this is not a long shot to sprinkle in on uh maybe the panics number at 470 is but yeah man I don't know I don't know these things are are interesting also if you're a team in like the back half of the first round I mean you want Denver's first round pick next year I mean like that's a great point I mean you're it's I think it's like a top 10 pick lock. Like, I mean,

they're going to be not good no matter, especially the Bo Nix fucking be their quarterback. I mean, what a joke. This is just, Oh, it's going to be a disaster. So I've been team 20 and on I'm taking Denver's first.

Yeah, no, very, very good point. You brought that up yesterday. I thought it was an excellent point. Cause yeah, they're going to be,

they're going to be not good. So, all right. Before you leave, you're hanging out with us, we appreciate it. Subscribe to the channel here, 444Bets, so you don't miss a show. We'll be back next week. And, again, as we ramp up and we get closer now, we're just a month out,

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