Move The Line - 2024 NFL Mock Draft 5.0& Draft Day News!

Episode Date: April 10, 2024

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Hello and welcome to Move the Line presented by 444BS. I'm Ryan Noonan, joined here by my three very smart friends to talk NFL draft betting. We are just two weeks out. Draft markets are popping up a little bit. We are starting to get into the heavier time. We're starting to feel a little bit more confident here and firing off some of these bets here. So again, Move the Line, continue to be your home for all things NFL draft. We will kind of ramp up here in the next couple of weeks too. You'll have more than just the one show per

week. We'll start to maybe bring on some other guests, start to do some things more frequently as more information starts to become prevalent in the space here. So joining me here as always, Colin or Alan, what's going on, buddy? Yeah, it's a master's week, tail to your master's bets at Betfritzitz golf i know nothing about golf also bet on akshay batia shout out the homie you know uh been crushing since day one so big fan there and probably pissing money away on the hundred to one but you know it's fine it's for the mems definitely for the brand on the actually play for sure uh always here in doing his work grinding really hard right now and i really appreciate it because obviously i need someone to carry the water a little bit because I've definitely been in the golf streets more this week and always grinding visits, news connections.

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uh super super stoked for that um all right uh connor i'll let you get started obviously we you know we move on from number one we it's really hard to not start with discussions around number two in every episode. It is the quote unquote, where the draft starts. and we've had a little bit of information, moving markets, three quarterbacks for the one spot there with Washington. Kick us off with anything you want to share there, markets, news, whatever you want to do. Yeah, I think it's worth noting here that we're hearing a pretty loud drumbeat from both Adam Schefter and Albert Breer regarding the number two pick being Jaden Daniels. And obviously both of those two names are

some of the most trusted, you know, bigger name media people, I think in the space. But I think it's worth noting that, you know, it's pretty similar situation here happened with the whole Mac Jones, Trey Lance thing a few years ago. This also happened with Adam Peters being in the same front office or being in San Francisco at the time now in charge of the Washington commanders. So I believe that they're hearing that it could be Jaden Daniels. I also don't think that anyone really knows. So I would not be betting, you know, we had a question in the chat here, is Daniels minus 150 a good value, presumably to go number two overall? I don't think so, to be honest. I think that we should probably stay liquid. And I think that the day of, or maybe the day before, we'll probably have

better ideas. And it kind of reminds me of like last year where, I mean, Will Levis was the favorite to be number two overall pick at one point. And then the day before the draft, we kind of were like, okay, well, it's going to be CJ Stroud, like at the very last minute, basically. And so I would just say liquid. I don't think that it's really a great spot here. And obviously if you find out, it's a great generational wealth, but that's not something that is easily found out here uh and i don't even know if we're going to get it so um for me it's kind of just a stay away at this point yeah and with uh like shepherd is probably the most like connected person in the nfl of course but he's also the one that can like create the most smoke the most influence in And like, it brings me back to probably the greatest bet I've ever hit.

Probably the greatest bet. A lot of people listening, you know, probably some of us have ever hit, which is Paolo. Um, and Waj pumping, what was his name? Jabari. Jabari to go one. And like, yes, they're the most connected people. But for whatever reason, it's just I'm not I just don't buy it as much as if someone like less mainstream would be bringing the same point up that we knew was connected like. Like Schrager or someone like that. And it just brings me back to that Paolo Jabari, which unfortunately we don't have Paolo odds on Drake May.

But yeah, it's just, of course, Schefter is great, but he's just so mainstream that I just don't buy it as much to bet off of it now at laying anything. Yeah, Scott, I know we're kind of sitting and picking spots in terms of when do we call in favors on the Washington side or with any of these situations. Both these guys just referenced, obviously, it's the Drake May, Jaden Daniels discussion. We did have some movement a couple of weeks ago where this became a three horse race. And that's is that changed? Is this simply still Daniels or May or is JJ McCarthy still involved here?

Because obviously from a betting standpoint, Vandal in particular has floated number two overall pick out McCarthy's nine to one. Whereas you're looking at DraftKings still plus 350. So is it between two guys from your vantage point or what do you want to add to this discussion on two? So I think it is. I think it's between May and Daniels. My early lean was towards May. And I think right now the situation, I was actually telling Conor this yesterday. I think right now with as much information out there, whatever your confirmation bias is towards whichever player, there's enough information out there to, to make you lean that way and feel comfortable with who the pick's going to be.

If you're a Drake May guy, you can go find a handful of people that, that say that it's going to be Drake May. Um, the issue is, is that with Jaden Daniels, you have Colin Cowherd screaming from the rooftops that it's going to be jayden daniels i don't put as much faith into to cowherd because cowherd's not a guy that gets paid to be right he's got to get paid to have a hot take and be loud so you you have that the shifter thing is interesting but one of the things you pay attention to is the wording with shifter he's saying like the belief as of right now if the pick was today, like there's still two weeks. We we've had some rumors and some whispers behind the scenes that Jaden Daniels

isn't necessarily happy and doesn't necessarily want to go to Washington to the point where those rumors and whispers have been addressed by his agent. And they've recently come out in the last two days saying that he doesn't care where he goes. He just wants to be drafted and get to a team and play. I've reached out to some LSU connections that I have here locally. Some people that specifically are involved with NIL deals with players on the team. And somebody close to Jaden's camp said that the meetings with the Patriots have gone better than what they have gone with Washington. They didn't say that he didn't want to go to Washington.

They didn't say a number of things. But what they did say is that the vibe was better with the Patriots. So there may be some information there that he wants to go, you know, lean towards the Patriots. I also think there's an outside shot that, you to get to that three position to have a possibility for the Raiders to come in and give a Cinderella sweetheart deal to possibly move up in him land with AP. There's some other information that came out. He was on Instagram Live with Malik Neighbors. They were pumping up Brian Thomas going to the Bills and making a lot of innuendo towards where he's going to end up. I don't think anything is set in stone right now.

He's supposed to visit Washington Monday and Tuesday. If something comes out and says that he canceled that visit or something comes out saying it didn't go well, then I think there will be a window to where things can open up. As far as J.J. McCarthy, I just don't think there's enough smoke out there. And when it comes to Drake May in particular, I think there's more smoke to Washington and Minnesota than there is to any other team with some outside interest coming in from the Giants. I think the Giants would be players if May fell into a position for them. But of the teams that I see that are the most interested in May, especially with a lot of the hate and Hackenberg 2.0 talk that he's getting and Blake Bortles talk

that he's getting compared to, I think, I just flat out think that Drake May has the most long term upside when you start comparing his age right now to where Jayden Daniels is at. And I think the Ray Longo, I mean, Phil Longo connections and some other things with Kingsbury. I just think a lot of the hate in May's direction has been overblown. And the, the Instagram live video with those,

like it was Brian Thomas neighbors and Jayden. And there was also a comment i think neighbors said something like you're gonna be playing with like your brother and then you look in the comments and like i don't know if they're boys or what but um kate sean boot which i don't even know if he's still on the patriots um is played with them last year and then you see those rumors about washington meeting going poorly and it's like oh like when his brother kashon boots on the pats there we go so with no bet it's kind of the consensus right now is there's no it's still all it's all speculative uh you probably is we would still default even though we're close for two weeks out i think we still are all of the

mindset of like your best bet is to leverage long shots, whatever that looks like, versus in certain situations eating chalk, especially in a market like this at the top of the board where it's so fluid. And we probably will know and have a little bit more information. To be fair, like huge Adam Schefter fan. It's undeniable his connections and how good he is a couple years ago in the trayvon hudgenson uh draft still 24 hours out 48 hours out there were still tweets coming from schefter that that was a hudgenson pick right so um we knew that that wasn't the case but that's still where those again there was very leading verbiage to what you know scott is saying so it's not always that specific so you know you have to kind of watch some of those things and you know take your time and jumping in you'd be

okay laying a little bit of juice when we actually know a little bit more versus still being in this minus 150 for speculation so yeah once you know you can lay minus infinity in the draft and it's fine totally different beast yeah uh kuiper just put out a two-round mock um that i think is interesting you know kuiper in the similar sense of of schaefter is obviously a you know an espn figurehead one of the ogs in the draft space again kudos to kuiper and all that he does i do think that there is something to that where not that he can get used per se, but because teams know that Kuyper is the most prominent draft guru. If you want to get some information out there, some like smoke season, silly season, lying season type stuff, best path to do it, to get it out there as quick as possible is through

Mel Kuyperper now i'm not saying that anything that comes from kuiper isn't connected or valid and that every team lies to him but sure as hell seems like the easiest way to get some good lies out there connor so i don't know if you've had time to skim the interesting thing here at the top uh is he is not mocking a trade at four he has the card Cardinals staying at four, taking Marvin Harrison. He has the trade happening with Minnesota moving up to five with the Chargers. I know there's a lot of speculation there as well. Obviously, Arizona is a team that has a ton of needs,

is in a spot where they could probably still get a key contributor just by moving down a handful of picks, still probably at a top talent at wide receiver and still be able to address a multitude of needs get them in a situation where they have three first round picks and they can leave with your receiver offensive lineman and defensive player or maybe two defensive players whatever they want to do um any thoughts to some of the early maybe top 10 plays here in Kuyper's draft or any takeaways yeah I guess I had two main takeaways here first off I think seven wide two main takeaways here. First off,

I think seven wide receivers went in his mock draft, including both the Xavier's, which I thought was interesting, both worthy and Leggett, which I think he's one of the first people to have Leggett in the first round. He had him going, I mean, in the last week of the first round. Personally, I'm not buying that to be honest. My first round, he was my, he was my 32nd pick in the first, first mock big Xavier Legavier legit fan checking okay i mean that was probably like what like february though like late i mean maybe mid-march it was yeah yeah um so i mean since i don't know i'm looking at vr's sheet here since 325 there's been like 20 mocks or so and only one of them hasn't in the first round one or two so um that was kind of i think think that stood out to me, but it's notable.

I mean, over on receivers is six and a half. I think that is probably still an interesting look on the under, just because I just don't really think one of him or McConkie makes it in at this point. But notable here in the top 10. So something that Adam Schefter said in a recent pod about the Minnesota and Houston deal. So like, I think when it went down, everyone assumed that Minnesota approached Houston to get an extra first round pick to use to trade up.

But apparently per Schefter, Houston approached Minnesota to get another mid round pick to try and trade for someone like Stefan Diggs. And so that's interesting to me because maybe it means that Minnesota is not the team that trades up. Maybe it's Denver, maybe it's the Raiders. Um, or maybe it just means like Minnesota isn't willing to give maybe that extra first rounder, because I would bet that the Cardinals are asking for three first rounders at this point, uh, to get a deal done. So I don't know. I think it made me open my mind a little bit more to it being the fifth overall pick traded instead of

the fourth, because again, I'm sure Harbaugh would take a little bit less than the Cardinals just because if Marvin Harrison Jr. is gone, but I don't know. I thought that was interesting as well. And worth talking about here because Kuyper also does have, you know, five being traded. I mean, any, any thoughts here, VR on, on kind of the fourth or fifth pick being traded because i think that's it's putting me my it's making mox difficult and putting my brain a little bit of a pretzel to be honest yeah i mean i think figuring out whether i mean it's really as long as one of them gets traded like i think yeah it will be okay um and there was that reddit guy we were talking about yesterday yesterday that i found which i'm kind of buying him which if you go to reddit threads are so back

you want to you want to give the intro on that i mean i feel you got to explain it a little bit it's yeah so i like i was perusing reddit yesterday and there was a reddit post from a poster who claims to be an nfl scout and he goes through his like a couple takes and then he starts like answering he goes into like a q a essentially and he's anonymous and we dug a little bit deeper and we actually kind of figured out who it might be and like i'm not one to buy this especially on reddit but you can really i feel like i have a good sense of like context on whether it's like legitimate or not and then you get into his comments and i kind of got the sense that it was legit and people that we talked to about it um one comment we got was that scouts are

definitely guys that want attention because their their role is really zero like credit like they get zero credit for anything um so they do they are ones who i can see doing something like this and one he was very strong on drake may go into um and then two i just totally lost my train of thought um he wasn't buying the the neighbors over marvin harrison jr yeah he wasn't buying neighbors over Marvin Harrison. And I don't even know where I was going with this anymore. But first he had Drake May going to, a compelling case. And then he, wow, I don't even know how I got into this.

Are you still hungover from the other night? Oh my God, I wish we could like clip. I wish this wasn't live. Either way, check it out. It's on Reddit. I wish I could drop the link in the chat. But going back to Kuyper's mock, I think the most notable things he had were Xavier Worthy as the fourth wide receiver. And then he had Cooper DeGene going 16, which after his pro day being so well, you kind of wanted to get an idea on how high he

could go. And then the last thing for me is I'm starting, you're starting to see a lot of Brian Thomas to the bills who obviously need a wide receiver. And you're seeing Brian Thomas in a lot of mocks going 28. And if you're aware of how like the mock rating system works, you get a lot of points for selecting the player to the team. So if you don't do the trade and he goes 16 or 17 to the bills, but you mock him 28 to the bills, you're going to get points for that. And for me, and like,

this is a whole, like, I don't even know conspiracy, but like, if you think about the year, Jamar chase got drafted, if Brianomas's stock to neighbors is what justin jefferson was to chase

the vikings traded digs to the bills then drafted jefferson the bills has traded digs to the texans and i can totally see them trading into like 16 to get Brian Thomas with the Seahawks, who are a, I think a prime spot, especially based off of statin to trade back in a team that loves to trade back. That would make a lot of sense to do so. And I think 16 is that sweet spot that it isn't crazy and not too far that it could be realistic for like the bills to trade into 16 for Brian Thomas. Scott, anything you want to add on any of these discussions or in connor you can touch on too if

you want to come back after and uh you know pick up the reddit thread where vr left off if you have anything to add to that oh leg it that's what it was sorry scott it was like it the guy on the reddit like like it and also mcshay on the rassila pod yesterday was pumping like it up yesterday which is interesting to kaiper but go ahead scott yeah like it like it in particular is a guy that everything that i've read on it if you find on it'll exactly like it's like blue cheese you're on one side of the line or the other like you either love them let's go so it's one of those things like he's very polarizing amongst uh the scouting community from what I understand. A lot of people, and I think it's a little bit of a lazy comparison when you compare him to Debo Samuel in some ways.

And he's definitely a fringe player, but I think it is a bit hot takey to put him there in the first round. But look, it only takes one team to fall in love. Brian Thomas, on the other hand, is from the first pod that we did for this draft season. He's been the guy that I knew was going to end up shooting up boards. I knew he was going to test well, but specifically, it's a lot of steam going to Buffalo. I don't know necessarily that it's lazy. Some Buffalo fans have pushed back, specifically saying that they don't think buffalo has the the draft capital to to really move up in and and make any of the plays um they're a little bit low on

draft picks for the the draft overall but at the same time i don't think you can go into the season with as much of a hole needing an alpha at wide receiver as what they have so i'm particularly buying the steam on um on brian thomas the one other thing that that's interesting to me that i think we can maybe get into um kuiper had bo nicks going in the second round pick 33 to uh the giants um you've heard a lot of information you've heard it straight out of gm's mouth that they don't plan on drafting a quarterback there at six. That's not to say they couldn't trade up at four. But there's been a lot of innuendo about specifically what they're going to do at quarterback.

And I think the Drake May hype to the Giants is very real. I don't know necessarily that they're as high on J.J. McCarthy, but I think if Drake May were to be available to them, they would go ahead and get it. And if he's not, I think they're very much in play to look at getting one of the other two quarterbacks in Pennix or Nix. But specifically, what I've been hearing and banging the drum on is that Bo Nix is a lot higher in the scouting community and I mean, excuse me, in the front office than he is in, you know, the internet and community and then I mean excuse me in the front office than he is and you know the internet and fans and you know a lot of other media publications they have but the number that I've heard and I heard that the Patriots in particular looked into Bo Nix and and they were interested in seeing what the possibility was going to be to to go ahead and maybe pass on a

quarterback in the first round and get Bo Nix there with that pick in the second round. Specifically, what I heard was that the Patriots are of the mindset that Bo Nix is not going to be available at pick 34. And it's interesting to me that Kuyper seems to have him slotted right here at pick 33. The over and under is at 32 and a half on Bo Nix. So I think there is a lot of play for him to go plus minus within a five pick range of here and sneak into the back end of that first round. And we've got a lot of people playing him. You're going to see a lot of mock drafters playing him to Denver at 12,

because we talked about the points in a grading scale. And it's not out of the realm that they can actually pick him there. But the other information that I'm hearing specifically with Denver is that they like Latu. So they're actually exploring some trade options to maybe trade down, add a few picks, draft Latu, and then move back up for Bo Nix. So I don't know how you guys are feeling about Bo Nix, but he's one of the guys that's highly interesting to me throughout this draft process. And when you say teams are higher, you mean like... Specifically the front offices value Bo Nix and what he brings to the table

and think that he's a little bit further along as far as being able to start and play games. Okay, so you think teams like him more than the media? Correct. Okay. Where like Bo N like him more than the media? Correct. Okay. Where like Bo Nix, and if you listen to the Rosillo pod with McShay, which between McShay and who's the guy from NFL Network that was the Raiders GM?

Oh, God. Mike Mayock. Between losing McShay and Mayock, like, God. Those are like two core guys. But, I mean, Bo bonix might as well have slept with mcshay's wife as far as i'm concerned with how like he was basically just bashing him yesterday on the risillo pod claiming it was basically crazy for him to go 12 to the broncos and it's honestly he makes a pretty a pretty good case but for me like i just don't see it being realistic

whatsoever for bonics to be drafted the number 12 pick and to me that creates a lot of value for the broncos first position to be drafted market which right now quarterbacks like minus 145 and which leaves cornerback at i think it's like plus 750. D-line's like plus 400. What's the last one? And then O-line is like 14 to 1. Which to me, if the quarterback wasn't so heavily favored, which is Bo Nix, you would probably cut those three odds in half.

And I wouldn't make an argument against any three of those. I personally bet cornerback last week. I don't see anything wrong with either of the other two, specifically with what we've talked about. Like Turner could be there at 12. Like I think that is a prime spot for Byron Murphy. Like there's going to be defensive linemen that I think are projected a lot to go a lot

earlier sitting there for them as well and a plus 400 which if Bonix isn't going like they would D-line would probably be like plus 150 without Bonix. That's a great point and I think the playing though like if it's not this then what is it kind of game and trying to narrow it down is probably pretty helpful because like you said there are probably will be multiple edge there if scott's right and lot to is there maybe the falcons you know uh don't take him at eight or you know that you know steam is a real like denver could maybe consider um taking them him with his first pick corner i mean queen on mitchell and terry and arnold both probably will be there both legitimate you know contenders and then a line like there's six to seven guys who can go in the top 20 that are all like very viable day

one starters on this denver offensive line so yeah i think that's pretty sharp there especially if you think that they don't go with bo nicks at 12 i personally still have no idea um and then adjust uh addressing the reddit thread real quick he deleted his account already so it's kind of like unfortunately i was hoping to get a response yeah i just checked unfortunately we've lost multiple uh core members of drafts you know draft conspiracies including pretty ricky and anonymous reddit guy again so it's sad it wasn't hard to figure out who he was for what it's worth so uh yeah i mean it took a couple guys like five minutes searching on linkedin uh to figure out who he was for what it's worth so yeah i mean it took a couple guys like five minutes searching on linkedin uh to figure out who it was and uh i mean he spelled certain words

the same way too that were like a little bit different so um yeah we figured it out and the information made sense nothing no bangers but i think there could have been more if his account lasted longer than like 24 hours i think the thread should still be up though right the thread is still up yeah the thread's still up but it says like you know deleted like in the parentheses near his name yeah it's called uh scouts superlatives if you go on red and look it up i mean it's a pretty long thread it's worth a read it's interesting it could be fake but we don't grasp me for anything in this point. We've touched on this too, and like threading the needle to do what we're talking about here with

Denver, to be able to kick the can down the road, still address the quarterback position, but doing it in a way where you have to come back in, whether that's at the top of the second round or you're coming back in, you know, the back end of the first round is difficult to manage doesn't mean it can't happen and again just because it's something that's talked about all the time it doesn't always happen doesn't

mean that it can't happen in this situation because like nothing's changed they still don't have a quarterback uh of of interest and i can't believe that they're going to roll into the season now it doesn't mean that's bonics at 12 it doesn't mean that they don't try to to get cute and understand hey we don't have a ton of capital. So having a way to maybe move back and find a way to make something happen where we're going to add some picks somewhere else, that'd be probably pretty helpful for them to do. It just becomes really, really challenging to get done.

The Buffalo stuff too, and I think VR makes a great point. So I think taking that with a grain of salt and understanding the intentionality of mock drafters at times in doing the Brian Thomas 28 to Buffalo thing seems great. Seems like a great landing spot. Seems like a need met for what they're looking to do, obviously, with the roster that they have currently. Just doesn't seem at this point that Brian Thomas is going to stay at 28. Becomes pretty interesting to see what they're able to do and how they're able to maneuver getting up into that spot seems really hard for them to get into the top 10 to be

able to add one of the other top three receivers uh but there are discussions around that as well which i think are are pretty interesting cooper to gene has had his his uh pro day and it went very well since the last time we met uh here the show too. And again, just another very interesting name. And this midsection here of the draft, when you start to get into the whoever's picking at 11, with whatever happens with the trade, we're expecting that to probably not be Minnesota. That becomes a very interesting team.

You know, Denver, if it's not quarterback, that's a very tough spot. The Raiders, because they have so many needs. We had the Pennix stuff, like that still feels possible. But when you get outside of Pennix, they have right tackle needs. They have cornerback needs. They really can do a number of different things. The Colts feel like they could be a team that someone wants to get ahead of if they're looking to get Brian Thomas, because they could go go ahead and do that though they obviously have some needs defensively particularly a cornerback you know seattle can go a number of different ways if they stay it's a very interesting as we get two weeks out we're like oh there's a lot of chalk we start to agree on a lot

of things there's a lot of consensus growing and i feel like there's maybe a consensus pool of 25 guys maybe but in terms of like the landing spots and what teams specifically do in that range scott is kind of weird uh is there any do you have any thoughts on kind of that range anything that you feel better about or anything that's shifting there over the last couple of weeks the one guy that is really really starting to to move up. And it's Graham Barton. I mean, you had him on the outskirts, and then he moved into the back five to seven picks of the draft.

And the more and more and longer that this draft process goes, he is a guy that people are linking higher and higher and higher. And I think I touched on before the versatility that he brings. Specifically, when you start looking at it, I feel like Troy Furtado is just universally mocked to Seattle, but I've started to hear rumblings that Graham Barton's a good fit there for Seattle as well at 16. And, you know, you talked about them maybe being a tradeout spot.

I could see them maybe trading back a little bit and getting Graham Barton. But I think Graham Barton's a guy that a lot of teams are higher on than what you're seeing in some of the mocks. And I think he's a guy that can be drafted much higher than projected, that is one of those guys that pushes some of these other positions, whether it be defensive end or some of the edge rushers down the board a little bit. So he's a name specifically that I'm hearing. And then just one of the other things that I, that I want to touch on is specifically, we've been talking about, you know, some trade back possibilities for some of these teams coming

back in to, to get some of these quarterbacks, but I'm getting more and more rumblings for teams wanting to move into the first round to get offensive line. So that's another one that I'm looking at, specifically Washington. I've heard linked heavily to a couple of the tackles that they really want to move back into the first round and get a tackle. So the offensive line market is moving, and I think more and more you look at Kuyper's mock draft that just came out, and he had the right tackle from Washington as going, I think, to the 49ers.

He loves Roger Rosengarten. Yeah, Rosengarten. He's a guy. He's another guy that's kind of been on that fringe but moving up into the discussion. So I think there's a lot of outs and a lot of movement specifically with offensive line and i think people need to start digging into how these offensive linemen fit with specific schemes and teams specifically once you start hitting that that 12 13 on down range yeah it's a great point that was brought up in uh in our uh from uh our guy rp i think today which i think makes a ton of sense when you start to look at you know team needs specifically like

the offensive line is a need for them but like colton miller's a pretty good left tackle it's actually really good left tackle is one of the only like prominent building blocks on the team if they're going to go offensive line they need someone um like oregon state's fuaga who could play you know right tackle that's probably more of a fit for them than say fushanu who is a just classic he's played like basically his entire career on the left side. So that doesn't really feel like a fit. Same thing with like JC Latham, like JC Latham is played right tackle.

Is he going to play, does he fit over say like a Joel Alt to the chargers where Alt's been a left tackle, you know, they have Rashawn Slater they have a left tackle so like team specific stuff does I think matter a little bit and there's versatility there too obviously Latham can slide inside if you needed him to it's probably more of a right tackle than a traditional left probably gonna be the same case for Fuaga you know for you

know the kid from Washington like there's a bunch of them that I think make a little bit points is there anything you want to add there, VR? Yeah, and I think figuring out the order of the offensive linemen is really just the hardest. It's like the overrun. We have a bunch of overrunners now, and it's like so difficult to have any interest in them because we just really don't know.

And the versatility, and Jeremiah had a podcast a couple of days ago where he was breaking down like the closest prospects in jeremiah had a podcast a couple days ago where he's breaking down like the closest prospects in terms of his rankings and he was speaking to basically was saying over mems because guyton's more ready with mems not having as many starts and a team that a pick like mems might be more of a luxury like i guess he said the Eagles, which I don't agree with in terms of the Eagles taking a luxury pick that's not starting right away, is key. But is it... Dane Brugler came out with his beast today,

which is... It's an insane amount of work. 100 prospects, maybe more, which is his updated rankings. We haven't had an updated rankings from him since Februarybruary 13th and the two guys that made the biggest jump like relatively speaking close to the first round were graham barton and then fatano so fatano went from 19 to 9 and graham barton went from 27 to 18 and the most interesting part about that for me was he has Fetano ranked as an offensive guard offensive guard one is how he ranks them not as just a lineman in general which I think was very interesting

for teams where he could be a tackle he could be a guard sliding the guard then move him to tackle which could come into play for a lot more teams, which is why Graham Barton is so interesting. I think, I don't think Barton gets past the dolphins, like at the very, like, I think he's a lot to the Eagles if he gets there, but at this point, I don't think he's going to get to them.

You can add on this Connor. No, I think you guys did a good job covering that. I got sucked into, so they just announced that drake may will be doing his visit to washington the days after jayden daniels so it's jayden daniels next week monday tuesday drake may's late tuesday into wednesday um and i think that's kind of like the end there it looks like jj mccarthy already did um his 30 visit i believe with washington um again if that's still even a factor here so i don't know i mean the it looks like when peters was with san francisco they did it was

like covid so they did like virtual visits with trey lance and stuff so i don't know there's not really any trends unfortunately we can gather from that um which kind of sucks about because there's always like the debate of like well is it better to be first because they know you're the guy or is it better to be last because then you have the last impression whatever you know like i don't know i don't think there's a right answer it probably varies by front office but um yeah i don't know it's it's certainly gonna be interesting and the other one thing i wanted to mention with uh rogers big board is and i think this has kind of been a common theme with some recent free agent contracts that have come out with interior linemen having more value in the draft kind of being considered a

premium position now which of like the biggest movement four of his five biggest risers are chris jenkins chris jenkins from 66 to 36 christian hayes 71 to 47 marshall nealon 51 to 32 basically first round which draftings didn't offer first round odds and then brayden fisk from 90 to 71 and then Michael Hall, which four of those guys are defensive tackles. And they all moved up 20 plus slots. Ricky Pierce always his biggest mover, which I just think is very interesting. There's a bunch of like all four of those guys are five to one or better to make it into the first round,

which has been a common theme. I think the last couple of weeks of defensive tackles, having first round value that might sneak in. A couple of staying in that bucket there, defensive tackle that looking also at Kuyper's mock draft. We early in the process had seen a little bit of Darius Robinson from Missouri in the back end of first rounds. He has him 27th to the Cardinals.

And more so to me, noteworthy is that he has Johnny Newton, who has been, I mean, we did the mock draft using the PFF big board the other day. Newton's a top 10 prospect in their, in their rankings. He has Newton all the way down and is two-round mock draft, 42 to the Texans.

So not only Newton out of the first round comfortably, but having someone else at the position going about 15 picks ahead of him too. And a lot of other guys that we've kicked around that have been in the tail end of a lot of mock drafts. Another guy like Jackson Powers Johnson, who Scott's talked about a lot. Maybe there are some people that like him a little bit more, but maybe the league is down on him. And again, having more guards, interior offensive linemen, or even other offensive linemen that we haven't really seen in the process be closer to the first round or in the first round is definitely interesting as well. So any thoughts there, Scott? I mean, I know you've been on the JPJ thing, but interesting thoughts on Newton or anything on Robinson as well. So any thoughts there, Scott? I mean, I know you've been on the JPJ thing,

but interesting thoughts on Newton or anything on Robinson as well. Yeah, specifically Robinson is a guy that has been getting a lot of pump up the boards lately. I think his initial scouting or couch scouting, whatever you want to call it, that pops up on the internet. A lot of people look at him and he doesn't have the speed and explosiveness that some of these other edge rushers do. But the more you dig into the film and some of the scouting reports that I've read talk about how he's more well-rounded and able to set the edge, that he's not just the one trick pony as far as rushing. So I think his well-roundedness as a prospect is one of the things that's allowing him to kind of move up boards where he's not just pigeonholed into being a pass rusher and can fit multiple schemes. So I think Robinson is a guy who's currently kind of on the outside

looking in the first round. You're going to start to see him move into more and more mock drafts here coming up. And I think he has a solid shot to be one of those players that are the last five in on the first round, the more and more we get into things. Another guy that's kind of made the move up and specifically, I mean, he is hot on the top 30 visit circuit right now is Marshawn Nealon out of Western Michigan. You talk about Dane Brugler. He actually has him as his 32 overall prospect. I've seen him kind of ranked, you know, similarly across other boards as well. But I mean, sitting here tracking my like top 30 visits or, you know, 30 visits, whatever

they want to call them these days. He is a guy that has been seeing a lot of teams lately that a lot of teams have interested in. Sometimes when you have a little bit of a small school, I think he's out of the Mac. And, you know, when you have those guys that haven't played that a lot of power five,

you know, a lot of the rise ends up coming late, closer to draft time as people dig in more and more deep into the film. I mean, he's almost visited with every team. I mean, he's almost visited with every team. I mean, he's visited with 15 teams, which he's only not visited with like 10 teams in the back half. It's crazy.

I don't know how much value anyone wants to put into that. I mean, when you get to 15, I think it's probably worth something. Yeah, Nealon. I mean, when you're to 15 i think it's probably worth something um yeah kneeling i mean when you're seeing his visits then you see brugler pop him up as much as he did like it's definitely worth worth something to me are his odds even posted on drafting they were they put him up for like a day and i they weren't like i think it was like 12 to 1 a couple days ago it was up which at the at that point was wasn't good enough for me but kicking myself and then the one thing i want to get schrager so i'm like a schrager truther i made like a ton of money that i didn't expect to make off of just his stupid tweets and every year he comes out with like his risers list,

which when you see that those are, I was going to get destroyed by whoever. And the last couple of days he's been pumping Jalen Polk, the wide receiver out of Washington, shout out to Amiko. But it was 40 to one. I want to say a couple of ago and like i wasn't not gonna bet it and then last night he put out another tweet he's like jalen polk is a riser

with like 100 r's and to me schrager is all about his victory lap like he is not looking for a victory lap on a guy that might be projected like fourth round to go second. Like to me, he's like first round or bust for a guy like Schrager. And he wants to throw that victory lap out as that epic tweet that would get a million likes. I think it's crazy for jail poke to go in the first round to me, if like Monconky is getting love at like 32, why shouldn't Jalen Polk? But I mean, his odds are 25 to one,

so I couldn't even recommend it now. But if I get another tweet from Schrager, we might have to go back in. Well, 25 is not bad, right? I'm not going to tell anyone not to bet 25 to one, but you could have had 40. Yeah, I mean, Kuyper has him behind Jalen McMillan, so he has him as the third Washington receiver off the board

and has Roman Wilson ahead of him. He has Troy Franklin ahead of him, Malachi Corley ahead of him, some other guys that are just kind of at the tail end Again, you know, Konky, Pearsall Like he's got him pretty buried Comparatively in terms of Keon Coleman All these other guys going in the second round Ahead of him

So definitely interesting I mean, the triggers Like usually his risers hit Like guys that you're not expecting And he always reminds you after Which of course, totally valid but like that's why like i don't think a guy like he's not pumping a guy to go in the second round like that's just not like who cares um yeah and one other thing with schrager is that he's been

a little bit more quiet this draft season than what he has been in past seasons so i know they've got some changes going on there at the NFL network, but yeah, I feel like it has to be that last year he blimped on, like having another kid. Yep. But. They're moving,

right. They're moving East coast, West coast. So it's a, you know, it's not, it's not nothing. Be interested to see how things kind of come out here in the next,

next couple of weeks. Connor is anything we didn't touch on that you want to kind of go around the horn and give you guys each a shot, just something we didn't touch on or a player draft market or anything that's popped up. Cause we've had some over-unders and it's still tough. Cause like some of these things are book specific still, and they're not like widely available at every book.

But yeah, just the floor is yours, Connor. Anything you want to touch on? Yeah. Caesars dropped a bunch. DraftKings dropped like, I don't know, half the amount that Caesars did.

Caesars is now sending a lot of stuff to review, which sucks. Before they were just taking 500 to pop and not really saying anything about it, but should still be able to get a decent amount down there. Something I did want to talk about, though, is staying in the first round market. DraftKings now is allowing you to parlay them,

which is kind of interesting because then there's a few guys that are, uh, I mean, going to be like early twenties, late teens, instead of, uh, you know, like fringe first rounders. Cause I think in my, my opinion, you don't really want to be parlaying guys like, you know, Darius Robinson with like, you know, Ladd McConkie or anything like that. Like that just doesn't make sense. Cause those are two guys that are gonna be fighting for like literally the last two spots pretty much, you know? Um, but I think guys like Graham Barton, Tyler Guyton, Chop Robinson and AD Mitchell, those are all guys who are like minus 600 or above. I think I'm very comfortably in, in my mind. And for most mocks, like that's minus 147 for all

those four guys. So, uh, and obviously i think nate wiggins i mean his hype has gotten you know pretty uh pretty steep some people are a little bit concerned because of the size and i think you brought up some good points about that but um like the most recent reports are like that his stock's trending up i mean some people are even saying that he could you know rise above quinn on mitchell which i'm 100 not buying but uh i think is noteworthy that other people were saying that. So he's like minus 800 to be a first round pick again, all that's like minus one 12.

If you put those guys together, I don't think that's bad putting it all together. I'm not someone who's going to be laying individually minus 600, but I think all these guys are, you know, 25, 26 or higher instead of like the last, you know,

six, six, seven picks. I would throw, I would throw like something about wiggins i just have a bad feeling about too and like shepherd on the etr pod yesterday the only nugget he gave was adande mitchell's gonna go a lot earlier than where he's being projected which wiggins is like minus 800 and adande is like minus 600 yep but i'm more

interested in like the parlay in the top 10 and the angle that i was like playing around with yesterday it's these are for fun like was albert breer speaking to how he sees three offensive linemen going in the top 10 which if you which there's seven that could realistically and my gut like i have a gut feeling that latham might be one but if you just do like alt with fuaga latham and maybe like throw in like a quinion mitchell to maybe the falcons but like you don't want to cancel because you got the falcons with like if you use the falcons and use like mitchell first or lotsu and then throw in an offensive lineman, maybe like Fatano to the Jets,

those can get fun in terms of odds, which Alt is minus 800, so he would be one of the three that's not going to really... I think it bumps it up like 100 if you throw him in. The parlay odds aren't real either. Probably for FanDuel to get involved too. I like when FanDuel lets us parlay stuff there. DraftKings is predatory at this point.

I get some Masters doom going inside of me with DraftKings and put this market out that I thought was awesome and they just wouldn't take anything. It was one of those like you reached your limit they don't tell you what the limit is i'm like yeah just mad i'm just mad so yeah fando hopefully we'll get in there get in there soon it's just one of those things like i you've done any hang hung a while with us at all like connor's not typically advising uh five and six leg parlays very often but draft season is a little different, right? Because you start to understand where these guys are going and they are pretty

safe to be drafted inside the top 20 or inside the top 25. You feel pretty good adding a minus 600 leg to a parlay and an information market's totally different than, you know, an outcome that has to actually be played out on the field. So yeah, it's like, look at these donkeys giving the field. So yeah, it's like, look at these donkeys giving out six leg parlays. It's like, actually this is different.

Maybe it's different. Yeah. I mean, it's not like, it's not like, you know, like a Fezzik gets a ton of, you know,

shit on Twitter for like the minus 4,000 Purdue money line tweet from last year in the first round that he sent out. Like you like legit tweeted, like I'm betting Purdue minus 4,000 first round, obviously pretty lost in the first round last year. I mean, like the draft is different because no game has to be played. Like Roma Dunza is going to be a top 10 pick. So, I mean, he's minus 1600, but like, it's like a hundred percent. Like, I mean, Roma Dunza would literally have to have like a, you know, a life changing injury in the next two weeks for him not to be a top 10 pick.

Uh, and so again, like parlaying that with, you know, something else I don't think is a, is a bad look. And especially, you know, maybe a dunza and like verse or a lot to something like that. Like, I don't know, I'm going to play around with it. Maybe there's two like plus money, one guys that like under certain scenarios. Cause I think that you, we all collectively are starting to get a little bit spicier with our seven through 10, I guess in the back part of the top 10, just based on some of the things we're hearing.

So, you know, we've released, we released plays in the discord on picks eight and nine yesterday. And I think there's still some value there on those. So, you know, again,

not going to, not going to tell the free listeners, you can go find that in our discord, but I do think there's some interesting outcomes there that I'm going to play around with here on the top 10. Yeah. Subscribe to the betting sub. Promo code VR.

Get all the plays. Scott, the floor is yours. Anything that you want to touch on here that we haven't talked about? Yeah. One of the markets that I think is interesting right now that I think has some value is you've been seeing Dallas Turner and hearing some stuff about Dallas Turner possibly not being that first defensive player off the board. I think DraftKings and a couple of other bookmakers have some interest in line on some alternate players, specifically here in New Orleans. We've kind of talked about it and beat a dead horse to the standpoint of

it makes no sense for them to draft anything other than an offensive lineman. But the rumors and so to the players that you're hearing down here specifically jared verse is a player that they're very interested in here down in new orleans and possibly brian thomas i think uh brian thomas would be a little bit of a luxury pick for them compared to what they need along the offense and defensive line but it's not necessarily set in stone that they're going with offensive line and uh jared verse or possibly another you know if dallas turner is not that first defensive player off the board he's a player that they could also be interested in along the defensive line looking at edge like i think

of like the three edge guys like whether it's a lot to turner or verse if like they don't go eight or like maybe 12 like that they can really fall yeah far no it's a good point what else do you want to touch on vr to wrap us up um i think that's pretty much pretty much it mims and bowers have i don't know if they're private workouts or just pro day but they have workouts today that are a pretty big deal specifically mems um where bowers is pretty much you know what you're getting with him um if anything he could i guess raise his stock um but mems is gonna be big yeah uh we got a little question here from scott uh we're good in the way he wants wants to know about Mims 22 and a half. His family's food budget has been spent on the under 23 and 22 and a half.

So kind of in that range where it makes a ton of sense. There's, you know, Philly's in that range. Just ahead of that is Miami. You know, you have Pittsburgh at 20, which makes a ton of sense as well. It's been a team that's been talked about, obviously, with Roger Jones last year out of Ohio State, just kind of bookend, big dogs. Scott, any thoughts there on Mims in this range, 22, 23 and a half?

VR hit on it. I think there's going to be a big representation amongst multiple teams there today to see him work out. His range is all over the place. A lot of people like his athleticism and his size, but then you start to look at it. I think he only played like nine games. You know, Pittsburgh and Cincinnati would be the two teams

that make the most sense there as far as what I've heard him being linked to, Pittsburgh being the most prominent. But, you know, he's also getting a lot of steam to a team like Green Bay. So that 22 and a half line, you have a few outs, but his range is much wider than that going past that pick 22 range. I could see him falling all the way in the back five to seven picks as well with some of the other players that are moving up. I think while he's athletic, I think he is another player that may be pigeonholed to playing the right tackle and maybe only being a right tackle. As far as him playing left tackle, it's going to take a lot of development at the NFL level before I think teams trust him protecting the blind side of starting quarterbacks.

But 22 and a half is a little bit stiff. I don't know what the odds he got on it but um you know it's it's one of the ones i would i would like to think that pittsburgh's out but there's a there's a little bit of variance in a wide range for mems yeah i mean not to be alarming scott but i mean i think uh well i guess scott d and scott smith not to alarm you scott d uh but i think scott smith is saying that you should start stocking up on Rahman and PB&Js just in case. I would never bet that over.

I would not. It would only be an under for me. The only issue is kind of Graham Barton getting pumped up the board might be taking a mem slot like the Steelers, but I would never bet the over on that. And Scott's point

about right tackle versus left tackle probably takes miami off the page for mims being that in miami with two uh right tackle is protecting the blind side so that is essentially the left tackle position for all intents and purposes in miami so obviously they have taran armstead there as well if you can stay on the field. So they would need more of a right tackle and that becomes an important position. Miami has more needs, I think, in the interior. And that's kind of another spot where Barton makes a lot of sense if he were to fall too. And one other rumor that might give you an extra out is that San Francisco has been interested in possibly moving up for an offensive lineman in particular. But whether

that's right tackle or interior remains to be seen, I think they have a little bit more need at interior. But, you know, that's another team that could possibly move up into that mid-range and take an offensive lineman. Yeah, San Francisco's another tough one. Offensive line, interior defensive line, cornerback, I think all of those are very much in play at San Francisco. So we have to see how the board falls to them at 31 and what they do there uh jeff just a great question as always jeff uh

hard rock uh plus 125 odds on the first kicker to be drafted in the fifth round uh personally feels like that's four rounds too low jeff big big uh kicker prop guy uh just absolutely plugged into uh you know to the kickers things that there should be one in round one uh does not have the stones to name a kicker in round one here which is also classic jeff uh you know just hedging out and not having uh the actual balls to put someone out there but yeah jeff obviously getting plus money on anything kicker wise you should probably get in there so i've not been grinding uh kicker data at this point so did have a did love a play last year i think i had rams first pick kicker like you know 20 or something like that because they needed one and they didn't have like a first pick until like the you know third or something

round so yeah uh last one will rickard kicker fromer from Alabama with a fifth-round grade on Dan Brugler's beast. So that's the only one that is within that range. There's no big-name kicker like there's been in the last few years. That would be the biggest one that leaves you probably one out. Hard Rock, also a Florida thing, which also definitely checks out. Jeff is definitely a florida man it's a new jersey is it okay well it also checks out so it could be one of those uh you touched this at the top here and drew mentions is daniel's at minus 150 good value

no not right now it can be like today no tomorrow right could 100 be amazing value we're doing i'm saving my one phone call yep let's go i would schrager mocking daniels tomorrow i think his first mock comes out what next week something like that um usually a week out i think some or maybe around there would him mocking daniels change it i think that would make me considerably more interested in Daniels it too. I feel very – I'm probably on the outside. I'm 65-35 leaning in direction of May right now at this point. There's been a lot of smoke with Daniels, but if Schrager came out, I would have to go change my way.

I feel like no interest. I could care less who goes, yeah, I would have to go change my mind. I could care less who goes, yeah, I'm a Patriots fan. It's just, I don't think I would just bet the plus money one at this point because you really don't know.

The Reddit scout says Drake, so let's go. And Scott says Drake. Schrager suggested two from yesterday. I mean, it's just not happening. I just don't like what it is. It's just like the dominoes effect of the top three.

Like, I don't think it really like whether it's four trades out or five trades out, it's still going to be the same five guys that go on the top five, I believe, which is good. As long as like a Levis doesn't happen Which I feel like everyone's a little bit more

Gun shy It probably shouldn't be Because a Levis scenario really When was the last time that happened Quarterback is so neat too We've touched on that They fall but it's like if they don't go early It's the same thing with Knicks

In play at 12 we can disagree with the player take But in play at 12 for sure but then also like in play at 33 you know what i mean it just is a totally different beast so quarterback is is its own little island so all right gents good stuff as always i want to remind folks to subscribe uh to the youtube channel or the podcast wherever you're consuming this, you want all of the plays that the four of us are making on the draft. You need to get into our discord at four for four. To do that, you need a betting subscription and you can use promo code VR to take advantage of a discount to get in there. Again, you will get all of VR's draft bets on the NFL, the NBA, NHL, and Major League Baseball,

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