Move The Line - 2024 NFL Mock Draft 7.0 & Draft Day News!

Episode Date: April 24, 2024

Dive into another NFL Mock Draft to find out where your favorite 2024 rookies could be heading during the NFL Draft. Find out where players like Caleb Williams, Jayden Daniels, Marvin Harrison Jr, Malik Nabers, Rome Odunze, and Brock Bowers are heading in this early look of the NFL Draft!Subscribe to 4for4's Betting Package 👉🏼 https://www.4for4.com/plansSign-up on FanDuel Today 👉🏼 https://www.4for4.com/go/fanduelFollow 4for4 on Twitter 👉🏼 https://twitter.com/4for4footballFollow 4for4 Bets on Twitter 👉🏼 https://twitter.com/4for4betsFollow Move the Line on Twitter 👉🏼 https://twitter.com/MoveTheLineNFLFollow Connor on Twitter 👉🏼 https://twitter.com/ConnorAllenNFLFollow Ryan on Twitter 👉🏼 https://twitter.com/RyNoonanFollow Scott on Twitter 👉🏼 https://twitter.com/ScottSmithFFFollow Vegas on Twitter 👉🏼 https://twitter.com/VegasRefundVisit our Website 👉🏼 https://www.4for4.com/Join our Discord 👉🏼 http://discord.gg/4for4Subscribe to our YouTube Channel 👉🏼 https://4for4.co/3OupraJ4for4 Betting Strategy Hub 👉🏼 https://4for4.co/3hm39cw4for4 Betting Picks 👉🏼 https://4for4.co/3LUp0EaNFL Betting Odds & Predictions 👉🏼  https://4for4.co/3nsW9QU

hello and welcome to move the line presented by four for four bets i am ryan noonan it is the week of the draft i've been told no funny business at the top we got to jump right into it here uh we're going to follow those directions i would do a mock draft we're going to go around the horn we each have a uh i think we have a veto and we each got a trade option as well so we're going to continue to you know try to discuss this basically as we shift here is draft fast approaching approaching. Recording this on a Tuesday afternoon. So we're 55 hours out or so at this point. I want to remind everyone, if you want the official plays,

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throughout this whole process you know i've had some connections close to jayden daniels camp i've had some other connections here in and around baton rouge and you know the the stuff about jd not wanting to play in Washington or Washington being his last preference as far as where he plays, it's there. The question is trying to reconcile some of the information you have with the Jaden Daniels and local Baton Rouge area information with some other national stuff behind the scenes. I had a family member to family member connection with the Jaden Daniels camp.

I shot the shot and that information or that phone call, should I say, went to voicemail and has not been answered. So I tried. I was waiting as long as I could to try to get some clarity. The last information I got on Jaden Daniels from a member close to his camp was that with all expectations that they have is for him to be drafted number two. That was as of Saturday, late Saturday night, early Sunday morning, and they have been radio silent since. So that's where I sit trying to reconcile that with some of the information coming back about whether or not Washington likes J.J whether JJ McCarthy's over Drake May. It's been a mess. So as of right now, putting this pick, I'm going with Jaden Daniels and I will open it up for any vetoes. I mean, I'm not going to veto. If it was my mock, I'm not putting Jaden Daniels at two, but I'm not going to veto. That's all I'll say. I feel like that's fair.

Just for the sake of the mock, you know, yeah. All right. We'll put Jaden Daniels there at two. Again, very fluid situation. And, you know, as Scott kind of summarized there, no new information. And, you know, don't worry necessarily about the steam. If it was known, I had some discussions around this today too. I do feel like if it was known, this would be

minus 5,000 and yeah, we cooked out to like minus 300 or so again, but like we're still not there yet. I think stay fluid and maybe getting some plus numbers on exactors or someone else there too. VR, you want me to take three, but you wanted to skip three so you think is kind of three as a whoever's left between daniels and may we don't think jj's in that mix um i don't know i don't know what you want to do with with three but i think it's very i think it's still so dynamic yeah i guess i mean for the sake of the mock was really the reason i did that but in the end like i think we can assume like if jj goes three drake will go four or five so it really won't mess anything up um which is why i pretty much conceded to

you taking this pick um are you going to take jj or is that just a bunch of i'm gonna put drake may there at three no. No, I was fascinated with your thought around McCarthy being off the board at two. Honestly, I was just doing that for the sake of time. Skip it. I think it's a fair assumption to assume it's one of the two, but anything can happen. Like you just said, it's fluid. Yeah, I think it's very interesting.

I think McCarthy is very much in play for New England at three. It would be fascinating to see what they would do. I don't think they trade back. I think that they stay and they take a quarterback. Who's got four? Is that UVR or is that Connor? Connor. Connor, four.

Very busy spot, obviously, in potential for trade or obviously first non-quarterback off the board. Yeah, I mean, I think in this instance, there are some reports coming out that Marvin Harrison Jr. that the Cardinals have Marvin Harrison Jr. and Malik neighbors, you know, relatively close. I think that if Drake may is there at four, that the giants will definitely be the ones to trade up to four and maybe even overpay for that pick. I think in this instance, just JJ McCarthy, I think that we will see the Vikings straight up to four with the Cardinals potentially trading back up again as well.

So, yeah, I would give the Vikings, obviously, the two first-rounders, and then a first-rounder next year, I would say, or at least a middle-round pick to get up. So I would guess three first-rounders, to be honest, plus. Not accepted, but forced to trade. Yeah, not accepted. It didn't like that one, apparently all right we're good okay uh so draft a player minnesota at four is going to take uh the remaining quarterback here which is

interesting you get buried in the rankings here which you know we've laughed at this pff so one thing that i will say i think you can force the trade through. I did. Okay. Yep. JJ4. Veto. Are we going to veto a trade? Nope. JJ4. Alright. So Connor's trade is done. VR, we're on the clock for you. 5-4

Harbaugh in the chargers. So... Oh, did we do a trade? Oh, we did do the trade. Oh, so the, okay. I said five, man. Let's go JC Latham. Spice it up.

Spicy. JC Latham. Talk to me about it. Wait, wait, go up. I'm up. Marvin's still on the board huh um go marvin sorry go marvin we're fucking four picks in what are you how are you lost with who's on the board or not you're that guy in the fantasy i was putting my phone on like do not disturb because it's like a million notifications of stupid stuff. The R drafts Patrick Mahomes in the eighth round. Yeah, Marv.

I think right now I'm seeing a lot of more Joe Walts at five. I don't know if it's just a bunch of mocks trying to be different from the crowd, which honestly I totally get. But Latham definitely has caught steam I think it's like if they stay at five Marvin then I guess Latham I have a Latham five ticket but I think the Latham buzz to the Chargers would be more at 11 it would be crazy for them to not take Marvin here. If I'm splitting hairs, I think the Chargers are more likely to trade back than the Cardinals.

And I think like what Connor said, I think the Cardinals trading back would be with the Giants because there was something today about them not wanting to go past six, which makes total sense because everything we've heard is they love neighbors. So them trading with the Vikings, I feel feel like is less likely than the chargers okay uh latham 12 to 1 currently available out there is the first offensive lineman off the board which is interesting yeah it was like 50 to 1 yesterday yeah does schematically fit oh first offensive lineman um yeah first offensive lineman yep not to five not five overall but uh uh all right so who's the pick

marv marv okay i like that one there too connor six to you with the giants quarterbacks off the board cool um so i'm gonna go with r Roma Dunza here instead of Malik Neighbors for a couple of reasons. We've been seeing last few years basically that Joe Shane has leaked nothing and that everyone, like every year, whoever people thought was just wrong. And then the latest, like the latest steam, like there were some rumors of Thibodeau and everything down the stretch. I think that we're seeing the same thing here with Roma Dunza, uh, kind of late in the process here. So, um, I don't know. I mean,

he's just a cleaner prospect than neighbors. I think he's a little bit more well-rounded in a couple of areas. It doesn't have any of the, you know, off field concerns. So I like, it's one of those things where I'm just kind of fading the consensus right here, because I think that again, no one knows. And like every single mock draft has been wrong for like three years on the giants so um yeah i think it dunes it makes a lot of sense here all right anyone move you no definitely not scott back to you seven for the titans look it's been heavily mocked that it's it's joe alt but i think if the board falls this way um and you know the the sources that i have around baton rouge they fully expect that uh

malik neighbors is gonna gonna be the pick um you know whether it be to the giants or whether it be to uh to arizona i think under this circumstance i think that this is a spot when you start staying is joe alt that much better than some of these other offensive tackle prospects i think i'm gonna go trade here and i think this would be a spot where arizona would move back up for neighbors all right arizona moving back up for neighbors uh We will give, let's see, they get seven. Tennessee gets what? They get 11 and something else. Probably not 11 and 23.

That seems rich considering it's not a quarterback. 35. Yeah, I think 35 makes sense. Okay. Yeah. Just for the sake of it. I just want to make sure we're not giving up any of the firsts. And with this, I think that, like, with this,

like, I think the Jets would be the other one that people might, like, mock to trading up. But in the end, like, the Cardinals are just going to have more ammunition to get up. And they just aren't going to be able to be outbid by someone like the Jets, I don't think. A ton of picks in the top 90 of this draft. And it'd be hard to envision them coming out

without one of the three receivers. So I agree. Um, look, we, you know, we've referenced the, you know, uh, Monte Orso for video from last year. Like there's something to that. I know that's hard to execute. It takes two to tango, but they're willing to do it. And I think that it's okay to, you know, it's hard to mock, but at the same time, like they're,

I think they can execute and get it done. So neighbors there, seven, uh,ott used his trade there as well um i'm gonna clock eight to the falcons which i think is pretty interesting i think this is another spot where trade would have made a lot of sense because again jumping to get ahead of the bears and getting you know landing one of these wide receivers makes a lot of sense. Now they're both off the board. I believe that the Falcons have Laiatu Laiatu as their top defensive end. I feel like it fits a need, and I think they can do that by trading down in certain scenarios. In this case, I think they stay home.

They take their guy, and I'm going to go Laiatu if there are no overrulings here. All right. Perfect. All right. Bears, nine. go lots of if there are no uh no overrulings here all right perfect all right bears nine uh connor take this one no this should be a vr thing what do you think well i'll take it that's fine yeah so like every mock like scott should have this uh commanders and every mock you should have the bears so yeah all right that's fair um okay so i think in this instance with a dunes off the board with neighbors off the board um i'm sticking with them going with jared verse i know there's been a bunch of byron murphy's team

as of late um and honestly like you know i reached out to my guy again he hasn't gotten back to me yet i mean this is like 20 minutes ago so I'll probably have better information later, but it just doesn't even pass the smell test to me. I mean, they drafted Dexter in the second round last year. They drafted with the first pick in the third round, another defensive tackle. They signed Andrew Billings, another defensive tackle to a two-year deal. They don't have anyone else at edge outside of Montez Sweat. And then Dexter is like 6'4". The other guy is 6'5". And then Billings is a little bit smaller, but again, he wasn't like handpicked by polls.

Like picking in Byron Murphy, who's 6'2", to be a rotational DN, basically just pushing your second and third round picks last year to just like rotate in occasionally, just to me makes no sense. Like that's like, it doesn't pass the smell test at all. And so he doesn't match what they want. He doesn't match any of the other stuff. And then beyond that, he didn't even have a 30 visit with the Bears too. And the Bears with polls have historically

drafted off that too. So in my mind, I think this is 100% a smokescreen. I think this is like, it came out a week and a half before the draft. It's been nonstop pumping from the media. Like I think that polls is probably a little pissed that the darn all right stuff got out last year that like basically everyone had darn all right as like the secondary option for the bears kind of later in the draft. And so like verse meanwhile, racked up a ton of production, you know, is like just basically would come in and be an instant starter along with sweat. Um, it would make a lot of sense. So anyways, out on By murphy selling that big time

at nine again if if things change you'll know that i heard otherwise um but you know uh i'm in on verse here at nine i'm like close to vetoing it but i'm not only based off the fact and this is like nightmares from last year but in this scenario and like i hate talking like trade backs but they have four picks and in this scenario trading back and getting him in like the 14 16 range is probably realistic it would make a ton of sense um let's walk through that though so like who is someone trading up for in this instance bro Brock Bowers? I would say... Joe Alt? Yeah, somebody like the Saints could move up to get Alt.

One of these other offensive tackle... I mean, Joe Alt on the board is crazy. I wasn't planning on taking him with the Jets because I didn't realize he was still there, but yeah. Alt makes sense. I don't know if I buy the Bowers, like trading up to pay a tight end already a premium. I mean, how could they not take alt either

I know They love Braxton man The surplus that they get from having Braxton on that deal And you know having Wright last year Like Braxton's been pretty good Braxton Jones has been pretty good I've always been kind of trying to sell Any Bears offensive line stuff here

It just doesn't make sense They spent money on the agency last year. And then, you know, Tevin Jenkins is a second round pick a couple of years ago. Like the arguments with them taking offensive line are all based off of Joe out, not being there.

Like, I feel like he's kind of just, and I depends who you ask on how good he is. But yeah, I mean, I'm not going to veto it i agree versus their guy it's just uh in this scenario it just they have four picks they're gonna have three left it's crazy yeah no i don't hate the trade back idea just connor makes a good point typically it would be one of the premium positions or, in this case, too, one of the premium wide receivers. Bowers would make the most sense for a team trading up, getting ahead of maybe the Jets thinking they might take him.

But at the same time, that team is probably the Colts, and Ballard's never traded up. All right. I agree defensive end is a need. I could see it happening later, but for the sake of the mock, we will go reverse. It sounds like VR has the board fall to him in a way that makes his pick at 10 pretty easy.

What are you going to do here? Yeah, so Joe Alt, but in the scenario that he's not there, I'm not buying into Bowers yet, even though I'm starting to get a little bit sweaty in terms of him going there. And from there, if you asked me a couple of days ago, I would have said Fatano. And then Pauline on Rob Statton's podcast said that Fatano had a red flag. And at first, and I DM'd Statton after, and I was just like, is there anything to this?

Because Pauline really just said he had a medical red flag come up on his knee but I need to follow up on it I was like what the fuck dude can we like confirm these types of things before you just throw it out there and Statton actually like

texted his contact at Washington who he said he trusted a lot. And that person came back saying that wishes that he knows of, but then Breer in his column yesterday stated that stat and, or not stated that there is a medical red flag kind of like confirming what Pauline said,

but in the context it says it's more of a long-term thing like degenerative maybe than a short term which for the jets that doesn't really come into play as much for me because really i think we all know they're in like win now mode um and the guy drafting him um unless they win now he's probably not going to be there to suffer the consequences of like whatever that long-term thing is so um that is a thing definitely worth monitoring but like joel is the obvious pick they have to sliding to 10 uh seems like unlikely but i you know i don't hate what we did necessarily ahead of it so So here we are, Joel 10 to the Jets.

Titans traded back, still have offensive linemen on the board. Scott, this is you here. What do you want to do with the Titans? Look, the pick that I think would make sense with the situation, even Joel falling off the board, but I start to look at if the Chargers even traded down at this number, who would possibly be the guy? And I think J.C. Latham makes a lot of sense for both Tennessee

and the Chargers should they end up in this spot. Yep, don't hate that at all. Latham, anyone veto? I would have vetoed that if you didn't go with him, so great work. Love it. You don't think Fashanu has a left tackle tackle there instead or do you think JC Latham like switches over or what do you think that looks like I think that uh I just think Latham's getting a big push with this uh this this last down the stretch and I think with specifically Fashanu

he's everything you hear about is he's a little bit weak as far as like the run game goes and I just don't think that that is something that fits in with Callahan the way he wants to run his offensive line baby hands too right for Sean who has like very very tiny hands for a man his size apparently um all right 12 denver is one of the hardest teams to mock um i i really i don't feel good about bo nicks here um i think they are in play for quarterback i don't know if you guys think that the zach wilson trade changes that dynamic i don't necessarily but um i mean really really hard team to pinpoint because they're there's like kind of a competitive roster but not like really good they obviously don't have an answer quarterback

i don't i don't really know what to do with them whatsoever i think this is a spot where brock bowers makes sense because brock bowers is impossible to mock um i think the defensive end makes some sense here um i will go bowers because I really don't know where else to put him. Otherwise, even though I don't feel that that's a pressing need, but comfortable to be vetoed here. If someone has a strong take on Denver, are you not buying the Bowers, the cold stuff, just because he didn't test or.

The cold stuff is tough because I think Brian Thomas makes a lot of sense there. And I also think corner makes a ton of sense there too. But yeah, I mean the testing thing is is interesting um and a team that i think wants to add weapons but i think brian thomas makes sense but are they scared with brian thomas's uh shoulder like i i'm it's very wishy-washy i have no strong take here i very much think dallas turner is in play as well personally i would go turner but you know it's your pick. I don't know.

Go Bowers then if you think of Bowers. I'm not going to use my veto on this, but I think. I know. Let me see. My current mock that I have in pencil currently has Bowers at 12. And again, I think a weird pick for Denver to make, but I just don't know where he goes. Very, very difficult to put there. All right, VR, Raiders, 13.

Oh, man. Can you go? I'm going to say Fulaga. For me, I'm not going to go the QB route. Penix is definitely starting to feel a little bit more convincing, but just not here, maybe later. And with those two guys off the board, I think offensive line is just the most likely candidate.

It was either Fuaga or Arnold, but I'm going to go with Fouaga he's smaller versatility right tackle yeah I think I just think he's not going to go I think this is the latest he can go all right everyone good with that

right tackle if it's mean there next to Colton Miller on the opposite side all right everyone good with that right tackle vittanine there next to colton miller on the opposite side all right huaga there connor 14 uh saints feels like kind of an easy one maybe even a middle option here yeah this is a fashanu right yeah you got to scroll for a little while yeah there we go um yeah i don't know they a left tackle. He's been pegged there everywhere. We played some over 13 and a half. I think the VR was interested in playing under 14 and a half. I think that's fine as well.

Again, I think 14 just seems like a very, very, very likely option. I wouldn't lay a ton of juice either way, to be honest. Yeah. Any vetoes? Vetoes, vetoes, vetoes. Cool. Shano there. 14. All right, backes, vetoes, vetoes. Cool. Seanu there. 14.

All right, back to you, Scott. Colts at 15. Yeah, I think, look, it's rough right here, having Dallas Turner drop down this far. But specifically, the two players that I've been hearing connected with the Colts the most is going to be Quinnion Mitchell and Brian Thomas Jr. There's some rumors out there even that it could be Colts and a trade down for Brian Thomas Jr.

So what I'm going to kind of go with is since Brian Thomas does indeed have the injury, I'm going to go with Quinian Mitchell here at 15 to the Colts. I think he's in play. I think Brian Thomas is in play. I think there's some Brock Bauer sweat that you can get there. Based on the way this is going, I'm going to go with Quinnian Mitchell.

Quinnian Mitchell, any vetoes? Nope. I agree at this point, especially with the way this board has fallen lee mitchell and brian thomas are uh the most likely options here uh seattle on the clock at 16 um could go in a handful of ways. I've, you know, in our chats on shows, have made a case for Cooper DeGene as a, like, long shot sprinkle first position taking corner for Seattle here. I mean, Rick Wolin got benched multiple times late last season. I don't think that they are in love with him.

New coaching staff, you've seen that Devin Witherspoon could play inside and outside. So I think corner is very much within the range of possibilities. I think interior offensive line is also possible. And I also think obviously a guard is possible too.

But in this scenario, with a lot of ammo, I'm going to make a trade because I think the Seahawks can address some of that a little bit later. They do not have a lot of draft capital either. So I am going to make a trade because I think the Seahawks can address some of that a little bit later. They do not have a lot of draft capital either. So I am going to have the Arizona Cardinals jump back up.

Again, they have a ton of stuff that they can get done here. Cardinals will give them, let's see here, we'll give them 23 and we'll throw in whatever, 71. We're going to make this happen. We're going to force the trade. Again, don't aggregate me on trades. We're just to make this happen. I'm going to force the trade again. Don't aggregate me on traits. We're just trying to like get a first round mock in here, guys. Okay.

And I'm going to have the Arizona Cardinals select Dallas Turner with the 16th pick. They think they need to come out of this with a offensive lineman and a premier defender. In this scenario, they have a couple of picks. I'm going to put Dallas Turner there who's falling to 16 and his his stop there all right now we are on to the

the one thing I want to mention like Vittano's like the consensus there and not to go back to the red flag issue and I saw it from a random like Jets guy from like it was from weeks ago and and it was a really, really good point to me. But Fatano went on 730 visits. And if you count the visits that the other big five offensive linemen went on,

combined, they went on nine. Which you hear about the visits being health reasons. They're having this guy in. He's gone on so many visits because the team doctors want to check him out. Which to me, him going on so many with this red flag coming out, kind of is a signal that I don't know if these 30 visits were more of so many teams having interest and just not more about this knee that we're concerned about. I don't know if that means he'll fall past 16 or not,

but I just forgot to bring that up on 10. That's a fantastic trade. I thought you were going to go Eagles, but Cardinals is even better. I jump in the chat. If you guys have questions, we'll try to get to as many as we can here at the end and kind of go through some of that stuff to Jeff Jeff saying I'm making trades

like I'm drunk three and playing Madden. Yeah. I mean, look, we had six on the clock trades last year in the first round. So, and that's kind of where the betting market is in terms of like number of trades happening to Connor. So like, I'm not, we're not completely out of line. Each, each guy has one trade to make here. So we'll still probably be under market. Yeah. And only you trade up for a defensive player. You know what I mean? Like that's like a new on brand thing, because like,

I thought you were going to go with, you know, the bills trading up for like Brian Thomas or something like that. And you went up for the trade up for the defensive player. So I absolutely love it. Super on brand. You're going to know where our bread is buttered here. So,

all right. VR Jags 17. What do you think? I'm going to go with man i'm between i'll go cooper to gene spice it up over to your corner i think it's definitely corner um i agree i really wanted the bangles pick but uh I think it's Arnold. Did you actually go Arnold? I think it's corner. Don't know who actually go Kool-Aid. Yeah.

What about Kool-Aid? Yeah. Kool-Aid totally forgot about him. Yeah. Kool-Aid and Penn. That's what I would have said from the start. I think there's been some rumblings that the Jags are higher on kool-aid like top of their board and if you look at the jags draft history he definitely fits the bill specifically the size and

i guess like balk loves like guys with like wicked long arms wicked and kool-aid fits the bill. And it was very interesting hearing those rumblings. And then yesterday, Charlie switched his mock to Kool-Aid at 17. And then today, Walt switched his mock to Kool-Aid at 17, which for me is like from two of the best mockers. And I don't know if Charlie's connected or what, but that is one of those that you're seeing these mocks for months and then when they make a drastic change like that and you can connect it to something that you might have heard

is like a great signal um so i'll go kuwait at 17 totally forgot about them nice you want to give me the jags gm one more time did i butcher it what is it i think it's pronounced adande trend bulky i think we just went i think we went silent e i like it though i thought i was gonna shit for saying wicked but no we got wicked we're there i'm with you all right kool-aid interesting i love it i think you make a good point those walt and charlie mocks today and yesterday were um interesting to say the least but uh let everyone else go out and navigate and find some of those uh connor this is a pick that vr wanted 18 to the bangles a couple different ways that they could go here what are your thoughts

yeah there's been some late steam here on the bangles picking a corner so i'm gonna go with cooper to gene oh actually no terry and arnold still on the board we're gonna go with terry and arnold because he's um yeah i think him or cooper to gene are in a great spot here i think they could go offensive line um but there's been some late steam for corner so i'm gonna go with i i think i'll have probably have Quinion at 18 in my mock, but I think Arnold makes a bunch of sense here. And I bet. Is this what you're going to do? What?

Were you going to do this? If this wasn't corner, I was going to be like, I bet corner yesterday, which. I want to say like a month or two ago. And Connor's in this chat that I'm in as well, someone who was nails last year on this bangles pick beforehand dropped a message with that person that he talked to about, and it was like extremely detailed about the bangles philosophy where they

want to have starters in place at every position so that they can take best available in the draft every year, which corner would be the one. I forget. And then it got into corner. It was a really long text. And that stuck in the back of my mind. And then yesterday, someone else texted me. That was Nails last year as well

basically the same as the other guy and he basically tested me the exact same philosophy like a paragraph detailing that led to them taking a corner and the first and i didn't tell this guy about what the other person had texted me prior it was like It was too detailed of a text to they don't know each other. And it just really resonated with me. It made so much sense. And I can drop the philosophy and the discord after. But it sold me. It was like 10 to 1 yesterday.

It's definitely come down. And if Terry Arnold is on the board, it makes total sense. Whether he be their second corner or third, it would just make total sense. They used early picks in the last two years on DJ Turner and Cam Taylor Britt. So they have them under control on their first contract. Mike Hilton, absolute dog in the slot slot even though he's getting up there in age uh i love your story i love the uh the discussion around it i love that you were going to use your veto if he didn't go cornered i'm using my veto oh what they're not passing on byron murphy here

they're not passing on byron mur. They need an interior defensive lineman. Byron Murphy is... People are talking about him being the first defensive player off the board. He's going to be top 10. They lost... BJ Hill is beat up. He got hurt late in the year. They lost DJ Reeder in free agency. They signed Sheldon Rankins, who's up there a little bit.

They need interior defensive line, and Byron Murphy is an extended prospect. Which I'm fine with for under 18 and a half but then it's like I might double vo now and go Bowers he's off the board Bowers is off yeah he's off the board I took him 12 reluctantly reluctantly Jeff mentioned uh I was like Can we get a halfway point recap Do you want to just run through the picks Real quick Newton

Yep I'm going to lock in Byron Murphy As my Unless someone's vetoing my veto Financially I'm with that Okay All right

Jeff was probably bowling We'll make up for it here K. Williams One Chicago Jane Daniels Reluctantly Number two here to Washington Drake May Reluctantly Three to New England J.J. McCarthy In a trade up to Minnesota chicago jane daniels reluctantly um number two here to washington drake may reluctantly three

to new england jj mccarthy in a trade up to minnesota at four marv uh goes five to the chargers roma dunze six to the giants and the trade here with the titans and the cardinals from elite neighbors seven to arizona uhu Latu, 8 to the Falcons. Jared Verse, 9 to the Bears. Joel Ault falls all the way to the Jets at 10. JC Latham, right tackle there at 11 and a trade with the Minnesota Vikings that we just kind of talked about. We have Brock Bowers, 12 to the Broncos.

Talisi Fouaga, 13 to the Raiders. Olufushano, 14 to the Saints. Quinion Mitchell, 15 to the Colts. Another trade with Seattle moving back and Arizona moving up to grab Dallas Turner at 16. Kool-Aid goes 17 to Jacksonville. And then through Vito, byron murphy 18 to the bangles okay this is uh 19 whose pick is it here it is uh scott's pick scott 19 to the rams buddy yeah look i think the rams are a little bit of a mystery because they haven't made a first round

pick with sean mcveigh so it's it's a number of different places that they could go here. I've heard that they can trade up for a tackle that they're interested in. My latest mock, I had Amarius Mims going here, and I think I'm going to go ahead and stick with that route of Amarius Mims. You can maybe think a little bit about Brian Thomas here since he's still on the board, but I'm going to go with Amarius Mims. I think they need to infuse that offensive line with some type of talent. I don't think Havenstein is the guy that's going to stop them from taking

Amarius Mims. And a lot of people fall on over his tape, his length, his size, and just what he is as a specimen. The biggest knock on him is he just doesn't have a whole lot of games played or games started there in college. But, look, he dominated this past season against the SEC competition. I think he's a guy that you're going to see kind of in this range, and I think he's somebody that the Rams would be interested in. All right, we have Vito. Mims it is.

Does anyone have any idea what the Rams are doing? I don't think anyone knows. So I feel like you could probably pretty much sell us on whoever you wanted and it'd be fine. Hopefully Shiger on the mound. Yeah. By the way, the guarantee basically,

right? Shiger's reasoning was bullshit. That was like total garbage. That was like, he's like, Oh, well I know Sean McVay. So he's for sure going offense. And like, total garbage. That was, like, he's like, oh, well, I know Sean McVay, so he's for sure going offense.

And then he, like, in another podcast, he's like, Sean texted me, like, oh, we're for sure going offense, huh? He's like, yeah, of course you are. Like, it was just Schrager, like, projecting his opinion of Sean McVay on Sean McVay. Like, I don't know. It just seemed like total garbage. Like, I get that you know him, and, like, yeah, that makes sense.

But, like, I don't know. He just said it way too confidently for what it actually was i will say this the one player that they have like done a lot of homework on that keeps popping up with the rams is chop robinson so he's another player from a defensive side of the ball that i would keep an eye on there for the rams byron murphy would be interesting if he were to fall uh seems early for johnny newton but that makes sense to me as well uh but yeah um they need corners so arnold being there you tell me on a number of things but we will go mims uh for the rams uh i am up here with the steelers offensive line uh you know one of my favorites in the book, bats right now is Steelers offensive line before it steamed out to crazy numbers.

So I feel pretty good about that, just a matter of which one it is. I think Graham Barton makes a lot of sense. Scott, you're shaking your head there. This is a pick we thought we would have a little bit more information on, but Scott, you want to lend anything here to my Graham Barton pick who will be my pick? So I've been on board with the Graham Barton pick as well. And leading up to this, it's been kind of assumed that it's between both him

and maybe Amarius Mims. Those are the players that have been kind of heavily projected. But with the news of Fatanu kind of dropping down possibly for the knee issue, it's kind of a wonder how much further is he going to drop. And Fitanu, they met with Fitanu both at the Combine and he had a top 30 visit. I think recently Tony Pauline on one of his shows, he mentioned the fit with Fitanu to Pittsburgh and kind of had a little bit of a bridge there. So I think Barton is a sound choice, provided that Fitanu is off the board. The question is, we just don't know how much about that injury. And I think they both have the versatility to play multiple positions. So I think that in general, both of those players would fit what we're hearing that they're looking for.

It's just if the knee injury isn't severe and they're not concerned about it, Fatano is generally thought of to be a higher ranked player from evaluation experts. Hayden Winks had a really good point yesterday on their like mock draft thing with underdog and i don't know how i missed this with jeremiah but jeremiah i guess made a point about him knowing of one specific team that has fatano created out as a center and the steelers have brought in all their 30 visits have been centers. And if that one specific team is the Steelers and they're the team that thinks he can be the center and he's there, that would make a ton of sense. Like I thought that was a really good point by him. And I actually looked up the quote till I just confirmed that Jeremiah said it.

And yeah, he said there's one specific team and only one team that thinks he's a center. So interesting. Yeah, I like it. I think it's only one team that thinks he's a center. So. Interesting. Yeah, I like it. I think it's a good, I think it's a good discussion point. I think Scott makes really good points. I don't think Furtano will last much longer on the board, but I'm going to go Graham Barton here. And I think Furtano could make a ton of sense as well.

VR Miami 21. I'm going to go with Patano at 21. I think it's definitely a need. As you can see in the team, he's in the top right, tackle guard. He can play either or. Makes a ton of sense. Massive need. Any vetoes? You have veto videos and trades available still all right

tano there connor 22. philadelphia this is an immaculate spot for the eagles the way this board broke got cooper to gene and terry and arnold both on the board at 22. um i don't personally know how they rank out i know that there was some Cooper to Jean buzz, but I think that that was kind of assuming that Arnold was off the board. Um, I don't know. I'll let's, I, yeah,

I don't know. Let's, let's go. Uh, let's go Arnold. That's fine. Um, I,

I do think the corners position need, there's been some offensive line rumblings, but again, the way this board kind of shook out, um, I think the corner is like way, the corners left are way better than the offensive line. I like it. Arnold. Good. All all right scott back to you uh dallas 24 oh i'm sorry you're uh my fault

you're uh seattle 23 my fault my bad so uh you talked about a little bit prior and like we said the way this board shakes out um i think cooper dejean would fit in i think seattle would be happy to trade back and acquire some picks and still be able to get a guy like cooper dejean would fit in. I think Seattle would be happy to trade back and acquire some picks and still be able to get a guy like Cooper Dejean. The biggest issue that you're starting to hear lately, as far as Cooper Dejean is concerned, is that a lot of teams are here basically saying that he's a safety. With the Seahawks in particular, I don't think that matters as much to them.

I think they would plan to play him in a number of spots, very similar to what Detroit did with Brian Branch last year. So I think he makes a lot of sense right here from a value standpoint. And I think he would fit in well with the scheme of what Mike McDonald wants to run there in Seattle. So I'm going to go with Cooper DeGene. And what McDonald ran with hamilton and kind of that hybrid role last year in baltimore too so it makes a ton of sense

they did bring in ray sean jenkins from jacksonville they have a friend of the show julian love as well it's a nice little safety group uh and it's seahawks nice little secondary if they were to add uh cooper dejean here so i like that quite a bit i think sneaking up here, interestingly, could be also like Chop Robinson can make a lot of sense for them as well. I know Chop is kind of falling a little bit later, but I think Edge could make sense too.

But I like the Gene pick. Training back again. All right. Sorry about that. Dallas. All right. 24 to Dallas. I think Scott's done some homework here.

I feel like offensive line is a spot where it's going to be hard for them to move off of. Let's see how the board is available in terms of offensive linemen still stacking up here. I think there are some options here. I will go with Tyler Guyton here. Offensive lineman from Oklahoma to Dallas. Anyone have any vetoes? Thoughts? I don't think they need to Dallas. Anyone have any vetoes? Thoughts? I don't think they need to tackle. All right.

VR, 25, Green Bay Packers. I would say this is kind of like worst-case scenario in terms of guys we think they're going to take not being there. Scroll down a little i would probably it's hard because they're so normally so it would be not on the board by the way okay i'm gonna go with scroll up scroll scroll yeah like i guess it's tough it's tough is i think newt does newton make sense um well the one thing i will say is that uh in tracking a lot of the visits i've heard that uh green bay does like jordan morgan um he's a player that makes sense and also fits in athletically with the way

they tend to draft. I do agree that this is like a worst case scenario for the Packers in this situation. But when you start looking at it, you know, is Morgan a guard or is he a tackle? Different teams are going to value him different ways. But he's a player that's been linked there that I think would make some sense. But this situation right here, you know, how are they along the interior? Does Jerzyn Newton make sense? It's one of the spots that I don't necessarily feel confident in with the packers across the board and did you barton 120 right yeah yeah yeah um i would say newton would be a no for them to be based off of me um kenny clark they took an early

pick on obviously devonta went uh Devonta Wyatt just two years ago. And I also don't think corner's really a need for them as well. I mean, that doesn't mean that they won't take it, but they got some really good play out of some guys they weren't expecting to even need to use last year with Valentine. And Valentine as well. Stokes and Alexander are back healthy for now. It's actually kind of an area of strength for the team, I think. So corner doesn't feel like a need for them so

i really do think offensive line is a great play let's do a i was gonna do a trade just to get out of this pick because honestly i have no idea um i'm not i honestly have no idea well what happened here like i guess jordan morgan yeah i think they'd go morgan yeah i'm not like i was almost like jackson powers but let's just go morgan i'm not like totally sold on him going in the first as high as i think he's being projected right now but it's a worst case scenario um and i wanted to just like bow out and take the old let's trade back but we go against every principle i have someone who bet packers first pick offensive line i'd like that

we stayed on that one too uh see connor back to you here 26 for the buccaneers yeah the chalk here has been chop robinson i think it still makes sense um i don't know if you guys have any other thoughts but i think chop makes a ton of sense here yeah especially how it fell um look i you could go a number of different ways um i'm not going to veto this but i'm going to throw this out here of the teams and there's some argument whether or not jackson powers johnson's first round pick or not um i've heard different teams have him graded some not even in in first round, some in the third round. Um, I've also heard that he's personality wise,

he's rubbed people the wrong way through some interviews. So, you know, that's, that's one of the things, but I do think that there is a connection here with, uh, with Jackson powers,

Johnson, but like, I'm not going to veto or argue or change that. I agree. And the Pewter Report, which is the Bucs... It's not a beat site. It's their go-to fan site, I guess.

Which Pewter Report's great. And they've been pumping Jackson Powers. And yesterday, they did their quote-unquote final mock for the Bucs, and they took Jackson Powers and yesterday they did their like quote-unquote final mock for the Bucs and they took Jackson Powers the one interesting note in the whole thing and they had a spot where like surprise players they could take and they listed off a bunch of guys and the very bottom is saying the one player they will not take is Nate Wiggins and I Pew Report has like weight to me like I think they definitely know what they're talking

about um and that was like probably that was like one of the nuggets out of a bunch in terms of me betting the over on wiggins which is 26 and a half but financially i'm in on chop under all right i like it all right we'll go chop uh let's see scott back to you i believe uh arizona 27 so who do we get with the trades ups we got neighbors arizona get yeah neighbors and uh dallas turner and so we we've kind of addressed the the edge we've addressed the wide receiver position and we're sitting here and we're looking at some of the other things that they need. And offensive line is one of them. We looked through some visits real quick.

And Jordan Morgan is a guy that I do know that they've done some work on. You know, when I'm kind of going through some of the visits and stuff, there's nobody that's really sticking out. It's been a lot of wide receiver, a lot of edge, and a little bit of offensive line visits that they've had. Look, I think the versatility here, and, you know, we didn't pick Jackson Powers Johnson. I don't have a necessarily feel I think

we kind of through the trades we we've addressed some of the needs that we we thought were more of a priority but you know for the sake of a of keeping Jackson Powers Johnson in the the first round I think the guard center need he can be versatile enough to to kind of fit that but i am not against money vetoing me here it's just a spot like like vr had two picks ago with green bay i just i don't know after we were managed to get neighbors and dallas turner i really don't know you know what they would be in for here and it you know is this a spot after they they feel those two needs that a team comes up for a quarterback i already used my trade so i'm not going to do it here but you know if it's up to me i'll do uh jackson powers johnson yeah i've used my trade in my veto i think corner is something that they could

use as well just as a matter of like do they do they like wiggins i mean they brought don murphy bunting over uh it's like to spearhead that group. It is not a good group. It is probably one of the worst groups in the league at corner. But yeah, you guys have any thoughts on JPJ or in this scenario fact that they got

neighbors and what's his name? Turner. Like O-line just makes a ton of sense. Anything other than O-line, I think it's just, yeah. It's three premium positions. It's the three. I mean, I guess he's not a tackle, but yeah, Jackson Powers.

All right, good with it. Would have been good with Wiggins too. The cornerback room is sus. All right, good with it. It would have been good with Wiggins too because the cornerback room is sus. All right. I was able to stay home at 28 and have Brian Thomas Jr. fall to Buffalo, which makes a ton of sense. Very easy to mock that. I think there's, you know,

you can make the case that they're in play to trade up for him. I think he could go as high as 15 to the Colts or maybe in a case of someone not being scared off by the shoulder stuff and maybe even goes higher. But I'm going to go Brian Thomas Jr. here. Any thoughts, concerns? I feel like we're all probably pretty good with that one falling into my lap here. Yep.

All right, VR, 29, and the Detroit Lions. I'm going to go Darius Robinson. I think somewhat of a, I don't know if that's like a trendy pick, or I think it's kind of becoming a consensus, but I think you read he's riser, was invited to the draft, fits the bill. Don't buy Nate Wiggins. Kool-Aid, if he was here, I think would be the other guy I might think about. But Darius Robinson, I mean, he's over-under. He's literally 28 and a half. i think would be the other guy i might think about but darius robinson i mean

he's over under is literally 20 and a half um so this would be it over um but yeah i think darius robinson being here is easy and if the cardinals hadn't traded up and gotten turner in the teens i think at 27 um he would be live as well, or even 26. Um, but yeah, I'll go Terry's Robinson. Good. Any, uh, videos.

Lots. Nope. All right. Connor Allen, pick 30 Baltimore Ravens. Yeah, this pick sucks. Cause I had offensive line normally pegged in here.

Like who's, who's left. Can you shift Swift? Can you like shift to that? I don't know. I mean, like I, I've had corner of an opposite line. I mean, I don't think that they would go nate wiggins right

i mean uh kingsley a tackle uh rosengarner i don't know if you're familiar with uh his game he's uh sending maybe uh interior offensive lineman as well you would have yeah patrick paul he's going the first round we've heard look i've also heard that that the ravens aren't necessarily tied to this pick and that if the board doesn't fall away they're willing to move out of the first round um you know do the raiders or do you know does denver come up here is this a quarterback spot where you get a trade back in i think it's possible um especially if the board were to fall this way um it, it's just kind of my thoughts. I already use my trade, so I can't use it again, but I would have like the Panthers

or someone trading up to get, uh, 80 Mitchell here probably at this point. Um, I'm not, I refuse to put Pennix or Bo Nix in the first round. So, um, that's just, I'm sticking my guns there as well. There's a few things and that's one of them so i don't know i mean can i like pass can i give the pick to someone else is that like a you know like a i mean you can you make a trade with vr for his trade what you trade with vr for his trade i had i struggled through the packers pick like make the pick you gotta i'm saving my veto so christ all right um i mean edge would make a lot of sense

for them as well there just isn't one of those dudes here either so to scott's point like they just board did not fall for them like it typically does if paul guy whatever i mean he's got some first round hype i mean it's just you know yeah whatever you to scroll for like an hour. This is one of the Paul brothers. Patrick Paul. Currently ranks 101st. I mean, there's just no shot this guy's going to the first round. Put Sua Matai or Matia or whatever it is.

Put him. He at least has a chance to go in the first round. This guy's not going in the first round. Jeremiah's top 50. He had Kingsley. I think he was like 143, which mean that's so far off the top 32 obviously i was just shocked at how far back he had and i think he had paul in the late hundreds as well and look when it comes to to sua matai uh the issue is is that he he has he has interviewed poorly with some teams.

I mentioned, I think, last week that I was told that he's actually gotten taken off of the Cowboys board because he had some bad board work and a bad visit there. So some teams are high, some teams aren't. I've continuously heard him there to the Chiefs at 32. I have not gotten any semblance of him going to Baltimore. But let me just double check. Yeah, no visit that I track. Or a visit-specific team are they i look specifically there i let the board fall to

you and they snatch up whatever talent has fallen or drop one player that they do have a top 30 visit with that it's a little bit interesting is xavier worthy but i think it's a little bit redundant with uh with uh zay flowers from last year. Okay. All right. I'm finalizing this here. They're taking A.D. Mitchell. I don't care if it's or not.

They're just taking him. They're wide receivers. Rashad Bateman blows. I mean, he's not good. So, like, I mean, they could very easily draft a wide receiver. They don't need, you know, like Zay Flowers and Mark Andrews old ass is not going to, you know, cut it the whole year. All right. AD Mitchell.

Where are we at now? Scott back to you. Niners 31st. Yeah. I'm going to go to design Newton. I think he makes a lot of sense along the interior. He's a guy that I feel pretty solid about getting into the first round. You know, I'm going to go with him. There's some other players here that I think some other people feel strongly about getting in the first round, but that's going to be my pick, Jerzyne Newton, interior defensive line for 49ers. I currently have Newton mocked there as well. I could say he could fit in the need. Anyone want to use the veto?

Trade. You don't have a trade. You can't use your trade. You can use your veto. All right. VR said he's sitting on his veto, which is interesting. Do you have a thought here that you want to get out on the Chiefs before I make the pick to wrap us up?

Go for it. There you go. I want to see what you take first. I mean, I wanted to give them – I'm still torn. I think maybe the Rice situation maybe makes them go wide receiver. I still have been offensive line kind of holding there too. I really think that that's going to be the case. I can just take Jalen Polk and I know that you won't feed on me if I put

Polk at 32 for the sake of the show. Let's see what we still have Kingsley in terms of offensive lineman here. Worthy. I mean, is that redundant with, you know, Hollywood Brown kind of feels like it a little bit. Let's, let's toss it out there. What do you guys think here for, for 32 Connor, where you at with Hollywood Brown? Kind of feels like it a little bit. Let's toss it out there.

What do you guys think here for 32, Connor? Where are you at with the Chiefs right now? I'll let VR go first. He looks easy. I was just going to veto and put Jalen Polk there to welcome him to existence. Can I veto the veto? Yes. I would have vetoed.

Yeah. um can i veto the veto yeah i would have vetoed yeah um i wish because i did i wish i like counted the order so i could get the niners and the chiefs where i would use my trade for the bills back in to take mcconkey and then veto so that jalen paul could go 32 um just hit on both of those which i mean i don't you hear all the rumors about the bills wanting to trade up for a receiver and they have no one and i don't know like brian thomas would it be crazy it probably would if they like they take brian thomas and then they trade back in 232 and take lad mcconkey because if i was i mean if brian thomas isn't there i'm taking mcconkie at 28.

But yeah, I was just going to veto Galen Polk. Other than that, I had no real valuable advice into it other than wanting that bet to hit. Connor, any thoughts on Worthy, Polk, Kingsley? I don't think Polk's a first-round pick. But I mean, VR is just happy that he's teamed with that from 50-1 to 3-1. I think that's what he's most proud of. I think if it falls differently, O-line is definitely alive. Extremely alive.

But if it falls like this, I don't think Ladd-McConkie is crazy. I don't think he's a first-round pick either. I like Ladd-McConkie a lot. Yeah, I think McConkie would be a great pick at 32. Even if Rice wasn't an issue, I think it'd still be a great pick. I'll go Ladd. I like consensus to wrap it up. Interested to see what happens there. I think they're in a nice spot for teams to trade it up. Interested to see what happens there.

I think they're in a nice spot for teams to trade back up to. I do think, I don't know, I think you get that. I think Eager's done a good job explaining this. The surplus with the new CBA is more beneficial for teams to trade back in and lock in offensive linemen versus, say, quarterbacks like it was in years past. You have to pay that quarterback an exorbitant amount of money in that fifth year even if they didn't do anything if you kind of opt into that last year.

So the surplus to be gained comes for an offensive lineman that's earned that fifth year typically compared to an average offensive lineman. So here we are in closing. I'm not going to read it off for you. If you're watching on YouTube, you can see it. If you're listening to podcast form, try to do this as best as you can to make it a podcast.

Listen for you. Check out the YouTube page on four for four bets. We have our first, I guess final. We'll be back tomorrow to do another show, but our group mock draft here, a pretty interesting takeaway. So we'll go around any last thoughts here, Connor,

on what we did here, anything else you want to get out or any thoughts on the draft? No, I think we, you know, did a good job summing everything up. Probably have one or two more plays in the 4-4 Discord today or tomorrow. Love it. Scott, you got anything for the people?

Yeah, I've got a couple of shows to do later today, but I'm interested to see some of these mocks the final mocks from big media guys tomorrow to kind of see where they're going to verge and specifically you know that that number two spot has kind of been a pivot issue of the whole time not you know not necessarily from a betting standpoint but from trying to lay out how to or draft is going to fall uh vr what do you got buddy got nothing love it four four four dot com slash plans get the betting subscription use promo code vr you'll get access to everything that we do for this upcoming football season and you'll also get all of vr's uh draft picks

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