Move The Line - 2024 NFL Mock Draft Breakdown and Best Bets

Episode Date: February 23, 2024

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Hello and welcome to Move the Line, presented by 4 for 4 Bets. I'm Ryan Noonan, and it is that time of year, friends. It is the games are on hiatus. The NFL news cycle never stops. Next two months, Move the Line will be your home for all things NFL drafts, specifically NFL draft betting. After the draft cycle, we'll get into all other things, the off-season nuggets, impacting coaching changes, futures

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Hit us with that thumbs up. Drop a comment in the chat. Tell us how incredibly connor is on his first mock draft or your dream scenario for your team whatever you like you can also listen to the show find move the line wherever you listen to podcasts i'm joined here as always by connor allen we'll get to connor in a moment uh he'll have room to cook today because we are going to focus today's show and talk through his first mock draft, which is up on 444.com and free to read right now. So go check that out. But I want to welcome back our third chair for the NFL draft season, our friend Scott Smith. Scott finished 11th in the Huddle Reports mock draft accuracy report competition last year. I was one of the best in the space connected and just, I think an absolute

level up for us on the show. We thoroughly enjoyed it. And Scott, looking forward to doing this again, buddy. Welcome back. Yeah. Missed on a few last year, but I think we had some good reads overall and got in early on some people. I don't think we're going to have quite the argument and kind of misses what we had with CJ Stroud, which you saw ended up getting that whole staff fired. You know, I think we had the right read early, and then unfortunately the GM and the owner decided otherwise. But, look, I think there's some interesting lines to kind of jump on and start looking at relative early as they start to come out.

And, you know, we're going to hit on all that. So hopefully we can give everybody that listens and tunes in a little bit of value and help people play the mocks in the NFL draft this year. Yeah, there are markets now, which is encouraging. I feel like, and I don't remember clearly, but I feel like this is more, Connor, than we had at this time last year, which is somewhat encouraging because that was kind of the struggle last year, especially in the first couple of weeks, couple of had at this time last year, which is somewhat encouraging because that was kind of the struggle last year, especially in the first couple of weeks, couple of months at this point,

we're doing the show. We just didn't have anything to really get to. Now, again, look, I'm going to let you off the hook. I'm busting your balls a little bit with the first mock draft. We are pre-combined. We are pre-free agency. This is an information market that is ever evolving. So no one gets to hold Connor accountable for this mock draft considering we're like nine weeks away from the draft. But again, it's a really interesting, fun starter conversation and thought process to understand, I think like number of positions in first round, starting to understand where your big board is and like who just missed and like team needs. Again, those things are all shaped here over the next couple of months when we get answers to free agency and who's getting, you know, extended, who's getting

franchised, all that stuff. So Connor, what's going on? Yeah. So first off, way more markets already, like especially FanDuel, you know, love FanDuel, great show sponsor last year, but they were not really a big player in the space early on, which I don't blame them because two years ago, most sports books got wrecked in the NFL draft. Now last year, but they were not really a big player in the space early on, which I don't blame them because two years ago, most sports books got wrecked in the NFL draft. Now last year, I think they won a bunch back because there's a lot of misinformation at one, two, three with Houston trading up back up to three on draft day, which I think totally threw everyone for a loop for the most part. So at this point, they're posting number one, two, and three overall. They're posting team to draft Bo Nix,

Brock Bowers, JJ McCarthy, Michael Penix, and Marvin Harrison Jr. all already. And FanDuel usually takes reasonable amounts of money, at least for the most part. At least right now, early in the going, they'll take a decent amount too. So excited about that. I think that will provide more to talk about in the show, will provide more actionable insight. And then I think like Scott said, last year was a bit of an aberration for us. I think we had provide more to talk about in the show, will provide more actionable insight. And then I think, like Scott said, you know, last year was a bit of an aberration for us. I think we had a little bit of, you know, mishap there at the top, but we still wound up, you know,

doing relatively well in the rest of the draft, had a couple of good calls. So, you know, not too worried about it and excited to dive into this year. Okay, I think we were right. And I think the information that we got, that was C.J. Stroud at the top, was correct. But they just, like Scott touched on, like they we got that was C.J. Stroud at the top was correct. But they just got touched on.

They internally got overruled. And obviously the Texans moving up kind of shifted some stuff in the top three because even the draft day, we were hearing push-pull in terms of quarterback, defensive end, and all that stuff. It was like, both? Why not both? So that changed kind of the dynamic of the top ten. So that's going to happen. But again, just going to be pliable.

And again, this is not a player takes show. If you're looking for like draft betting for your like dynasty fantasy football league, you're in the wrong spots. We're looking to mock. We're looking to mock to profit more than you'll make on your dynasty league by betting on the draft, which is the way to do this. So no offense to that niche of the quarter of the internet. This is for, you know,

betting purposes specifically and trying to hone in on some of that stuff. So yeah, some of the markets that Connor touched on are also available on draft Kings. I probably more likely to get limited or have trouble getting down on draft Kings, especially early in the process. So awesome to see FanDuel get involved there as well. So good stuff. Again, go over to the site, 444.com.

Connor's draft is free. We're going to walk through that at the top here. And again, this is a really important thing. There's some massive quarterback stuff in the free agent market that could shift some of this stuff. And we obviously have a very enticing early first round. I think that the top part of the draft and Connor, you could pop that up. If you want to take a look at it, we can walk through it. It's obviously quarterback heavy at the top. And then we have

a lot of, I think, difference makers at the wide receiver position, which is really interesting. And then they just crap ton of impactful offensive linemen. So it is going to be a spot where like first defensive player, where that comes in as an interesting market as we come in. And then I think like the number of players and positions in the first round. So Connor will start at the top. We are bears on the clock, obviously with the trade last year with the Panthers.

And it's interesting to me because I'm surprised we got here already. I thought we'd spend a bit more time in the will they or won't they part of the new cycle, especially maybe that's just because we're here local in Chicago and we just came out of the tail end of the football season with so much local love for Justin Fields in the fan base. Now it feels like at least the general assumption is that the Bears will do what I think i know you think unequivocally the right thing to do here and is to take a quarterback uh is you know i've heard the arguments uh to do so like even if you think caleb williams and justin fields are equal which or drake may or jane daniels which i don't know that we think that that's the case you still

reset the clock on quarterback quarterback in the contract by having that those two extra years, you're going to have to pay Justin Fields. So even if they are equals, you have to do and it's the right thing to do. And it seems like where we're going with the Bears, Connor. So any thoughts on doing something different with the Bears or maybe even a different quarterback? Yeah, I mean, a couple of things off the top here with the whole Justin Fields Chicago debate, like Chicago media is still treating it like it's up in the air. It's not up uh yeah i mean a couple things off the top here with the whole justin fields chicago debate like chicago media is still treating it like it's up in the air it's not up in the air like i mean i see it every day my timeline has been flooded with all these guys like it's it's not gonna like the

bears are taking a quarterback they almost certainly are at this point we're gonna see that solidified i think uh at the combine in a week and a half or so like you know it was kind of the same thing last year like everyone's like oh, Oh, are they going to trade them on pick? There were still talks about them picking a quarterback at the top of last draft, which now in hindsight could have made sense if they picked a Stroud, but you know, the time made sense to hold on to fields for another year,

you know, new, new system. They thought maybe they had something there. Now at this point, I think they're basically just playing the market being like, what, well,

what more can we get for Justin Fields? And I think it's almost a certainty at this point that they're trading him away because of what you said with resetting the clock. And I also think, you know, again, quick player take, I think Caleb Williams is really good and I'm excited about his upside and

potential. So yeah, for me at this point, Caleb Williams is like minus 900. I think that's like almost a lock at this point in terms of what we're going to see. Now they still have to go through the process. If they like find out that Caleb Williams,

like, you know, is secretly, you know, a secretly, you know, a serial killer. I'm sure that they're not going to take him. But at this point, barring like some unexpected disaster,

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using our code in the show notes. Yeah, Scott, any thoughts on where we're at here in terms of what the Bears did with the top? Yeah, I actually think it's going to be the same thing. It's going to be Caleb Williams. The popular thing out there with mock drafts just to get views right now is to project Washington trading up to one. And just because the Cliff Kingsbury signing. But I just think it takes two to tango. And philosophically, when you look at building a team

and what they would be able to do by resetting that quarterback position and then also having other things that they can get with trade value coming back for Justin Fields to build around them, that's what makes sense. And even if Washington, no matter how much they may want Caleb Williams, it just takes two to tango. And I don't think what Chicago is going to want, you know, for somebody to move up, even for Washington to move up one spot. I just don't think that it's going to be within the realm of possibilities, no matter how badly Washington wants. And I think when we sit here and look at the number two pick with Washington, Washington still has some insight into Drake May.

As much as everybody wants to pair Caleb Williams with Cliff Kingsbury, Phil Longo and Cliff Kingsbury are very much connected with the type of offense they run. They're good friends. They meet often. And Drake May was coached by Phil Longo, who's now at Wisconsin. So I think Washington's going to have some good insight as far as evaluating the players because you'll be able to know what it is with Drake May in comparison to Caleb Williams

and then go ahead and throw Jaden Daniels into the mix. So what we have going on here at the top of the draft, barring some unforeseen massive trade, I think is what's going to happen there at one, two, and three. Yeah, so I think it is interesting. And again, I do agree at this point, like it is probably click driven. I understand why someone would do it. I think it is interesting to think about because it really comes down to what these teams do from an evaluation standpoint. Starting with Chicago, they hold the key. So if they happen to get to a spot where they have a close grade on Caleb and Drake May or the grade on Jane Daniels is close,

I think entertaining it is interesting. And again, you do have a new ownership group in Washington who probably wants to make a splash. So if they have like their grades or that, Hey, Caleb is clearly the guy. I think that there's probably some discussions to be had there. If Chicago was open to it again, that's the takes to the tango part of it. Now Washington does have some capital to make it work within this draft as well. You know, they have 36 and 40 in round two, they have an additional third as well. So they have five picks in the top 101 so

they do have a little bit considering chicago does not have a second round pick so there's some stuff there again like back to make up to move one spot i think it becomes uh pretty interesting so again we have to get an understanding of what these teams eval look like moving forward so i do agree it'd be very shocking to see the bears move out of position to draft the top quarterback. I don't think it's crazy that they go from one to two, but we'll have to wait and see what happens there. It depends, obviously, on the grades. Yeah, I think that's a very fair argument there.

I would say that it requires a lot of things to happen. Like you said, it has to make sure they have a close grade, and Washington would have to overpay, I think, because you're looking at people pull up the trade value chart and shit like moving from two to one I just think that this is totally different because like Caleb like you have to compare the Caleb versus Drake May not like one to two in a normal draft uh standpoint here because you're getting like potentially franchise altering moves here you know like the thing about the difference in this you know in hindsight of like if someone were to trade up for CJ Str stroud instead of bryce young at this point versus like two versus one like that's like an insurmountable

difference uh you know at this point in their career so i don't know just something and then also to add on scott's point there that's a great point that i didn't think about with the whole cliff kingsbury connection so uh hayden winks brought this up on twitter so former gm rick spielman like consulted for the washington commanders um and basically helped hire a lot of the new guys, um, there. And basically, and, you know, went on a show and was like, Oh, like I, you know, if I were to make the pick, it would a hundred percent be Drake may, like, I think he's the best prospect, you know, like outside of Caleb. So, I mean, I don't know how much that matters and how much influence he has, like actually

in the organization, but you know, again, like people hire like-minded people, like that's just how business works. So, um, I, at this point, you know, given no combine, no information, like I'm giving the slight edge to Drake May at two, but personally, I think right now it's pretty close to 50, 50. So I'm not laying the juice on Drake May. I know that we have some people laying minus 180 on Drake May to go to, I'm not quite there yet. I think it would probably be like, you know, I don't know, minus 110 Drake May plus 110 Jaden Daniels, something like that. like that yeah um used to see how that kind of shakes out but yeah the commanders aren't going too far um you know feels like they're sitting at two and they're going to

one they have to get an answer at quarterback position to move forward and it's definitely what i would expect a new ownership group to do there um player take i think drake may is really good i think it's probably pretty close to caleb uh we'll have to wait and see what happens there but again that's uh not for the purposes of the show the patriots become very interesting at three uh they do not have an internal candidate at quarterback um they just don't i mean it'd be really hard even with a new organization in terms of like you know rod mayo elliot wolf like decision makers with the Belichick tree moving on, you know, to see that you want to run back Mac. Where are their player evaluations look like?

Because this is a roster that is devoid of talent massively on both sides of the ball. And you have some, again, this is a pretty loaded draft in terms of some like massively impactful playmakers. Do they, are they comfortable taking qb3 is their qb3 grade close to their qb1 and one and two great enough for them to do it uh because i do think that you know we'll get to the spot where we'll feel pretty clear about what the bears and the commanders do and we'll have that like a draft starts at three stuff uh we don't know what the bear we don't know what the pats are going to do with this new group um but

where are you at scott in terms of the top three quarterbacks you think you mentioned here you think that this is where we should be at the draft in terms of one two three going QB yeah I think that this is what makes sense but look it's been long for Bill Belichick calling the shots as far as what he wants to do and how he wants to build and shape that roster there's still devoid of talent there at the the wide receiver position and there's some question mark about Jaden Daniels as far as his decision making and processing. He throws a great deep ball. He's athletic as can be. Some people think he's a little bit more developed than what Lamar Jackson was coming out as a passer. So there's some interesting things there versus Marvin Harrison, who I think a lot of people are sure on as far as being the

top wide receiver in this draft and being a more sure, you know, prospect as far as that, you know, it was really going to depend upon some of the other quarterbacks. You see JJ McCarthy there at eight, you've got Bo Nix, you know, you've got some of these other guys that people think will go either there, you know, early in the second round or at the bottom of the first. So it gets interesting for the Patriots and how they're going to decide to build their team going forward with a new coach and somebody else calling the shots other than Bill Belichick. So that's your team. So you would probably have a little bit more insight as far as that locally and what they want to do. But I think it's up in the air between Jaden Daniels and Marvin Harrison Jr. I'd be highly surprised if it was anybody outside of those

two players. Connor, how much consideration did you give to doing something non-Jaden Daniels here? This is where I think it gets interesting because I think that there are outside scenarios where they trade down. So this team, the Patriots and the Falcons and the Raiders are three teams that I think can instantly change your draft board with free agency with trade. So like imagine if the Patriots trade for Justin Fields or, you know, Falcons trade for Justin Fields or,

you know, Russell Wilson to the Falcons or something like that. And you're like, all of these can instantly change the formula where, okay, if the Patriots want to have Justin Fields and Marvin Harrison Jr. for a year and see how that goes, like I don't think that that's completely ridiculous scenario. Because again, Marvin Harrison Jr. is in my mind, one of the best wide receiver prospects

that we've seen in a while. And it seems like he's viewed that viewed that way by the league too. So like that would not surprise me if I would be a little bit surprised if they wanted to trade down. I think the only thing that narrowed that made me stick to the quarterback here is like Gerard Mayo's comments early on. Again, we're like, we're going to draft the most important player at the most important position or something like that, which again, that's a quarterback. So, you know, that has me leaning here towards Jaden Daniels. But like you said, like, is he willing to take the sloppy thirds of like whoever they didn't pick? You know, and that's,

I think a lot of people have a really tough time doing that and I would too personally. So that's my question. I think that they could easily get a different quarterback via free agency, via trade and go with Marvin Harrison Jr. here. So that's, I think that one actually like, honestly, that is where I'm, in my opinion, kind of the draft starts here. Cause I don't really see Chicago or Washington moving out of those one or two spots. Maybe they flip, but think caleb and probably another quarterback goes

one and two um but other than that i think three you can start to get a little wild yeah depending on how things kind of shift out in the free agency market with the uh you know the quarterback situation as you mentioned fields too uh that kind of adds a little bit of an element to it then you have you mentioned those some of those teams, Atlanta at eight, talking about viable trade-up options. If you're in New England where you can kind of stay in the top half of the draft and get some other resources and kind of make different moves. Atlanta, Minnesota has an answer, needs to have an answer quarterback.

And that kind of clump there is 11, 12, 13 with the Vikings, the Broncos and the Raiders all kind of in the spot where they need long-term answers at quarterback. I'm no, can they make a, a play to get up to the top three? That's going to be hard. And if you're new England, like you want to stay in the range where you can take a shot. Now the other interesting team is the giants.

And again, like, well, let's see how that's like kind of shake out in terms of what they want to do. And that's kind of the same answer. The Patriots is you just don't end up in the top three in a spot where there are probably three viable options. Very often when you don't have a quarterback, it's really hard to justify moving out of that if there's a consensus that there are three guys.

So yeah, it's going to be fascinating to see what they do next is the cardinals which feels like it's just really hard to mock anything to arizona outside of marvin harrison jr they are the top team here that his has a quarterback uh that we saw we thought that was a team last year they made a ton of sense just kind of tank for caleb uh kind of rebuilds and move on from kyler and like Kyler played pretty well when Drew Pretzing's offense last year, you add a Marvin Harrison Jr. to that team with a Trey McBride at tight end. And it becomes pretty interesting really quick. They also have a boatload of picks to make a real splash in this draft,

which is pretty exciting. If you are a Cardinals fan, they have the 27th pick here as well in the first round. They also have their normal early at the here as well in the first round. They also have their normal early at the 35th pick in the second round. And then they have three third round picks. So five picks in the top 90, the Cardinals can get risky real, real quick here. So Connor, I go back to you here. Any thoughts on going off the board with something that wasn't Marvin Harrison Jr. Who's like minus 160 or something right now to go to the Cardinals? Yeah, no, I think that if it goes like these top

three, I think Marvin Harrison goes four. I think the question we have to ask ourselves is if Marvin Harrison goes three, who do they take? I could see them trading down like they did last year, traded down with the Texans and then wound up trading back up to get Paris Johnson. And I think that's who we had them penciled in for regardless, like they were really liked him. And I think that's kind of a similar scenario here with maybe Marvin Harrison Jr., but it wouldn't be surprising for them to go Malik neighbors at four. If Marvin Harrison Jr. goes three, I think that's kind of the scenario that I'm setting myself up for. If, if that were to happen or like we started to hear rumblings of that. So that's, I think something worth considering, but again, if it goes top three quarterbacks, I think Marvin, Marvin Harrison Jr.

at four is like a very very very strong thing when you look at their roster you look at what they need uh and you look at the type of prospect he is like in my opinion that's like the only thing that makes sense here yeah probably not gonna make it through 32 picks anyway uh you spend most of the time at the top of the draft which is what we should be doing anyway um but scott if you have anything to add on the cardinals and then i'll kick it to you to start us off on discussions around the chargers who are in a very interesting spot and there are a numbergers, who are in a very interesting spot. And there are a number of teams who are in a very interesting spot here where they need

offensive line help and they need playmakers in the passing game. And that's what this draft is just absolutely busting at the seams with. Now you have obviously a new front office, a new head coach. You have Harbaugh in town wanting to put their stamp on his new team. And look how Michigan was built. Obviously, from a recruiting standpoint in college, it's different. But the trenches in Michigan have been kind of why they were a national powerhouse the last handful of years there.

They have the option to take the top of the offensive tackle board here. They also have the ability to address wide receiver or pass catcher too, because obviously Brock Bowers was an early look there as well. So any thoughts on the Cardinals? And then you can get us started with your thoughts on the Chargers. Yeah, as far as the Cardinals go,

I tend to echo the same sentiments. It's kind of Marvin Harrison or Buss. I think Malik Nabors could come in, but I think if it gets to the point where Jaden Daniels is on the board at four, you have teams like Denver, for instance, that I've heard they are actively working the phones and having discussions about trading up and that Sean Payton in particular wants a quarterback in the worst way. And I don't necessarily think that the quarterbacks that are available in free

agency or specifically through trade would fit what he wants to do. Not that Jaden Daniels necessarily fits that either. But I think you're looking at them. If Marvin Harrison Jr. wasn't there, I think they would listen heavily to offers to move down, whether that's, you know, they're at eight. But I think that's also a situation that's going to shake out as you start seeing some trades happen, seeing some free agency happen. So I think that's kind of where Arizona sits. And look, when we move on and sit there and talk about the Chargers, it's another team that has a whole new bunch of brass calling the shots and doing the things.

And regardless of what you think they're going to do positionally, it's all going to be going around, building around the quarterback and getting the most out of Justin Herbert. For whatever reason, Justin Herbert over the last couple of years, whether it be due to injury, due to a few other things, has not been able to take that next step into the elite top four or five quarterbacks. They haven't been able to get it done as far as going to the playoffs and whatnot. So everything that Harbaugh is going to do bringing in is going to be built around getting the most out of Justin Herbert.

I think building through the trenches with that offensive line, they've had some trouble there. I think they're going to be set to go ahead and lose Austin Eckler. So I think it's going to be built around that pass game. And whether it's through the offensive line or taking a Malik Neighbors or taking a Brock Bowers, I think that's what you're going to go ahead and see. I think you can kind of narrow it down through the four picks, whether it's Joe Ault or Fashanu as far as the tackles, or Malik Neighbors or Bowers. I think that's the four picks that you're really looking at.

And, you know, like you said, we're not going to make it through 32 picks on this show, but I think the most important thing early on is narrowing down the players that you think are going to go in the top 10. And I think Connor's done a good job here for the most part with, with those guys that are projected in the top 10. And I think when you're looking at this pick, like I said, it's three or four guys that you're going to see here for, for the charters. Yeah. Where are you at in terms of other considerations connor with

joe alt going offensive tackle uh from the uh from notre dame and this is an interesting thing too right where you have a college coach who's been coaching against these guys and like i don't actively probably recruiting a number of them um so like there's just some different elements here that i think makes it pretty interesting on what the Chargers want to do. Yeah. The Chargers are unique because they brought in a lot of different changing pieces here with their GM. So their new GM is Joe Horitz. He's a former player personnel executive from the Ravens who historically drafts, you know, good offensive linemen, good kind of trench players, things like that. And then we're looking at their new office coordinators, Greg Roman, one of the run heaviest offensive coordinators in the league, you know, historically. And so in my mind with Harbaugh,

who again has, I mean, they've had a good offices in Michigan, but a lot of that's been a result of like smash mouth offenses that they've been playing really well with. And like, I think that that fits exactly what the rest of their staff wants. So beefing up the interior makes a lot of sense here. They want to go with Bowers. It could definitely make sense too. I've seen some talk about how like paying tight end, you know, draft tight ends early is like paying them at the top of the market and then you're not really getting any value by drafting them that high. But, um, you know, again, you're, you're most likely locking in a top tight end and that I think can be a difference maker for a team too. So yeah, I think all neighbors, Bowers all in consideration, but, um, Bowers is kind of a tough one. We'll get, I mean, we'll probably get there. It's just like,

there aren't a whole lot of landing spots for him in my mind in this top 10. And like, I think he's a top 10 talent. I think he's awesome. Like I love Brock Bowers as a prospect. And I think most people do. It's just that, you know, off the top, like the Chargers kind of make sense. The Giants don't make sense. The Falcons definitely don't make sense. sense the bears probably don't make sense like a lot of these other teams that outside the top four just don't really add up a lot so um i had bowers falling to 12 but yeah at five like i leaned with alt but i think that that can change it could easily be for seanu too so i think scott did a good job there laying out the options yeah that was a good point for sure uh next is the giants at six uh again team that needs, look,

Andrew Thomas has been an answer on the left side. Evan Neal on the right side hasn't been so much. Could be maybe an option to move inside if you wanted to add an offensive lineman. Again, just how quick the sentiment changes. We have, you know, Brian Dayball, bell of the ball, coach of the year, and all of a sudden, like,

the next season's not even over yet. People are talking about his job being on the line you know daniel jones in the first year of an extension like they're dying to get rid of him uh just a very interesting thing so again like what the giants can do or need to do is a lot what they're going to do is going to be very interesting to see i do think that they're a viable trade-up candidate if they happen to have their eye on one of those quarterbacks. But Malik Neighbors is kind of another. And if we didn't have Marvin Harrison Jr., I mean, Malik Neighbors is a – I don't know if we want to use – how many times we can use generational prospect.

Neighbors is a baller. You're watching a lot of James Daniels stuff. You end up like, oh, I'm i'm just watching elite neighbors uh just plow dudes over a run guy like just awesome awesome talent so neighbors here to six uh to the giants here scott what are your thoughts on uh what the giants do yeah i think the giants and you look at what they did last year i think they made a huge mistake of going ahead and signing daniel jones to what they did so i think they're in way, looking for a way out of that. I don't think they're in position necessarily to do it.

It'd be a reach if they took any of the quarterbacks here. But they have to get Daniel Jones some type of weapon if they're going to save his career as far as being able to develop what they had last year between Jalen Hyatt, Darius Slayton. Darren Waller played sparingly with injuries and stuff like that. They're set to lose Saquon Barkley. They need some type of identity on offense going forward this year. Darren Waller played sparingly with injuries and stuff like that. They're set to lose Saquon Barkley. They need some type of identity on offense going forward this year.

I think Malik Nabors would make a lot of sense here. I actually almost think, Malik Nabors, this could possibly be his floor if you start thinking about it and start looking at how some of these teams are going to go ahead and value him. When you start looking statistically at what he did at LSU, statistically, it played very favorable and close to what Justin Jefferson did. I think Justin Jefferson's a little bit better on deep ball, whereas Malik

Nabors is a little bit better with the yak and breaking some ties. One episode in, and we're not even got the first tech problem. I love it. That's awesome. Well, I'm E this year, so we're good. I feel all right love it. That's awesome. Not me this year. So we're good. I feel all right about it.

Yeah. Hey, we've been there. But I kind of agree the neighbor's floor is probably six. It's hard to envision him falling too far. But again, all the other stuff dictates it. The free agent quarterback signings, all this other stuff. So did you give consideration for any other players or any other thoughts on what the giants can do at six?

The giants, I honestly don't have too many notes on. I just thought that neighbors are really good player and put them at six and they need a whiteout. Like there's not really any info here or anything, or like even any like GM player connections. But no, I do think the neighbors, like, I mean, I was reading, like, he ran like a, you know uh you know four four like years ago you know like if he runs in the four threes at the combine and trains a little bit i mean

like i don't know how much higher he can go because i already have him at six but like i think it almost just confirms like i just can't see him going much lower than this um like kind of like scott was saying there so yeah it's uh i mean i'm excited for him i think he could fly and he's an exciting playmaker and it is crazy though how far the giants have fallen like literally dragged that sorry ass team the playoffs and then now now like brian dale might be fired i mean they just have no good players like they they have no one i know scott said like they need an identity offensively i'm like what's their defensive identity i mean it last year was you know it was you know with wink martindale they like blitzed a ton mean, last year it was, you know, with Wink Martindale,

they like blitzed a ton and they would like try to make, you know, generate pressure. Like, I don't know what they're doing. Like, they don't have a ton of talent defensively either. So, yeah, it's a tough scene for the Giants for sure. But, yeah, Nabors is a guy that you're like, look, you figure out some of the rest of it later. And that's why I think the Pats could do that too.

It's just like, let's just get a guy that feels like an absolute no-brainer layup 10-year type of like just star uh and we'll figure out the rest down the road so all right seven is really interesting so i want to get your thoughts here because i think we kind of touched base about it a little bit um you have uh oliver shano the tackle from penn state going here i mean last year i think you did a mock draft. People have Fashanu going number one overall, just kind of a no-brainer tackle prospect. Now, the interesting thing here is, again, the Titans are another team that needs offensive line work. They really need talent everywhere, but they definitely need pass catcher playmakers as well. And obviously,

it's a draft that has some still on the board. my pushback a little bit was like not even that i disagree with the pick was like hey i'm gonna change the coach brought in brian callahan the offensive coordinator didn't call place while in cincinnati uh brought his dad along former raiders head coach former nebraska cornhusher head coach uh bill callahan has been the league for a very long timeensive line guru who spent the last handful of years with the Browns and coaching up that offensive line. It's considered one of the best offensive line minds in the league. Now, this offensive line is pretty terrible. But if you have the offensive line whisperer, does it make sense to maybe spend some secondary capital on the offensive line and add some talent in terms of playmakers instead of the offensive linemen. So how much did you consider going somewhere else with the pick

here for the Titans? Yeah, I think Odunza is definitely in play here. And if neighbors are somehow here, like I think both of them are very much in play because I think at this point they know like Will Levis played like two good games and then otherwise you know was like a complete disaster for the most part just like a complete wasn't good yeah like i remember we talked in this show like after the first game i was like man this guy could be fun like he's good and then he played like absolute dog shit for like four straight games after and he had like one or two good plays so i then you just need to give him weapons they need to give him you know an offensive line like if they need if they're going to give him a chance at all, it has to be better just across the board.

So, yeah, I think it has to be here, in my mind, an offensive lineman or a wide receiver. Otherwise, their offense is going to be really bad. They just don't have a shot, especially with – I guess I'm just not super high on Callahan either. So I think – what did you say, Olu? I just didn't want to say the whole thing. Yeah, Olu's fun.

Yeah, I think that he's just a solid option again at a team need. Like to be clear too, I think my first mock is just mostly pinning like team needs to players that are at the right position and then like putting the good guys towards the top, the guys in the middle, you know, we'll see. And then the guys at the end are basically a coin flip at this point. So again, very, very rough outline at this point, but yeah, I would agree that maybe pass catcher could be the move there for the next one. Yes. Got any thought on the Titans? Obviously, my point that I was making as you came back

was that they have the Cowhands in town, an offensive line guru. Why not take some secondary day two picks, day three, just kind of load up with the position, let the old ball coach coach him up a little bit and you know give your your new quarterback someone to throw to because the rest of the guys are just uh pretty rough so any thoughts on what do you think the titans could do at seven i think i think the titans are can you hear me yep yeah i think the titans are uh gonna

have some issues when you start looking at their identity. I mean, their owner decided to go a completely different route and side with the GM. I tend to think the owner thinks that Will Levis is the answer and that they're going to go ahead and build around him. And there's not necessarily a wrong way to go here, but you start looking at their, their roster and their,

their right tackle is a free agent, which was Chris Hubbard, nothing to go ahead and, and clap at. And then at left tackle, they got Nicholas petite for air. Who's not somebody that you would want to build around and have protecting your,

your own quarterback to develop. So I think either one of the tackles here is what's going to make sense. Yeah. No way to go wrong really for the titans because they just need talent on both sides the falcons become very interesting the falcons obviously rumored to be very interested in a possible justin fields play they obviously need an answer at quarterback they also have a new regime in town uh new coaching staff and you know this will we'll get this answer beforehand right um so i think it makes sense to mock jj mccarthy here there are some like shanahan west coast offense mobility pocket extension type stuff that i think makes a ton of sense with zach robinson the new

offensive coordinator uh coming from a you know mcveigh shan tree, which I think is a kind of an easy line to draw there with JJ. Now, again, the ball knowers and football watchers watching a lot of Michigan weren't seeing a lot of like dazzling plays from JJ McCarthy. He just wasn't asked to do a lot. That doesn't mean that he can't do it per se. But again, I feel like this might've been like a slow climb in years past, but I feel like we just skipped it. Like it was like, is JJ McCarthy a first round pick?

It's like, oh no, no. JJ McCarthy is a top 10 pick uh no shot in hell he falls outside the top 12 and uh eight makes a ton of sense connor what were your thoughts around it yeah the more i thought about it after i submitted this i kind of think that fields is gonna end up in atlanta like i feel pretty strong about that at this point and so um i would not have jj mccarthy there if I was doing this mock again tomorrow. But I think if Fields doesn't go there, then they've already basically said they're moving on from Desmond Ritter. They're moving on from their current QBs. They're not super interested, apparently, in the veteran quarterbacks, like the older guys.

So that kind of eliminates Russ, any Kirk Cousins buzz, any of that. So it basically leaves Justin Fields or a rookie. And so if you're stuck at that point, like I think, like you said, with the new system, like maybe that they can, I mean, you know, there is upside with Justin Fields. He's not like completely, you know, dead in the water. So I think that in this spot though,

I'm taking McCarthy and you, like you said, McCarthy's range, like the more talk that we hear about, it's like the Vikings are interested. The Broncos are interested. The Raiders want a QB. I mean, the Saints, there was a report that they want a QB. I mean, that's like a bunch of teams that I think are very ripe

to maybe even trade up with the Titans. Like if the Titans think like we need to trade back, I think to skip the Falcons, if they don't get fields, like that could be in play. Even the Giants, maybe they move up too. So like I think that both, like all four of those teams are very live to skip a team like the Falcons to get J.J. McCarthy. I'm interested to see what his over-under comes in.

Because right now I'd probably say 10.5, 8.5. I don't know at this point. But if Fields goes to the Falcons, that obviously changes the dynamic. Yeah, that's a good call. I do think if you had field to the falcons it's probably 10 and a half um it's basically telling you like hey we know the vikings will probably take him um and we want to see if you think anyone else is going to jump ahead of him so yeah i think that makes i think that makes a ton of sense uh scott we'll move on i mean this would

be a absolute dream scenario for the bears Bears in their organization to get just talking about adding up, you know, some offensive talent and an identity to be able to retain DJ Moore in that trade from last year. And then you add a quarterback at the top here in Caleb Williams. And then to add the last of the big three wide receivers, which I do think there is a delineation here. Because, again, it's a really solid wide receiver class. But I think these three have separated themselves. What are your thoughts here with the Bears at nine? think there is a delineation here because again it's a really solid wide receiver class but i think uh these three have separated themselves what are your thoughts here with the bears at nine yeah i think the bears have a little bit of versatility as to what they can do here uh at nine um we still hadn't you know under this circumstance still haven't had the top defensive

player come off the board yet so you you start looking at what Chicago wants to do and how they want to go ahead and build a team. It makes the most sense to go ahead and build around Caleb Williams if that's who the pick's going to be there at one. And I think this is where you start to see a drop-off here at wide receivers after Roma Dunze. I think he's clearly going to be the wide receiver three coming off the board in this draft.

And I think if they want to add an offensive weapon provided they don't do so in free agency, I think he's a guy that makes a lot of sense to go here at nine. Yeah, I like it, Connor. Again, I think it's a dream scenario for the Bears. They could be able to get one of the big three quarterbacks and one of the big three receivers in this draft. It's kind of a great place for them to be. Changes the dynamic of the franchise instantaneously. Yeah, their defense played really good last year towards the end of the season.

So I don't really think that they need to address defense here. As you mentioned, Dallas Turner's routinely going in kind of that top seven to ten spots here, the edge from Bama. And then I think there could be other defensive players too. But in my mind, it's either probably wide receiver or keep adding to the offensive line here to build around Caleb because, I mean, again, you're investing so much in him. I could also see the Bears trading down from nine too.

If somehow J.J. McCarthy is still on the board and one of those teams wants to skip each other in that range, I could very easily see the Bears trading down from nine and kind of almost continuing to add draft capital because they didn't trade down at one. Because there are plenty of calls of like, oh, why don't you trade down from nine and kind of almost like continuing to add draft capital because they didn't trade down at one because there's, you know, there are plenty of calls of like, Oh, why don't you trade down from one, get a hall, trade around, you know, build around Justin, like add more talent that way because the roster is not ready. And that's, it's true. The roster is not ready to win right now, but they do have a good defense. And if they draft Caleb,

and if they draft a difference making offensive lineman or a difference making wide out, like this team could very easily make the playoffs. And if the, if the draft a difference-making offensive lineman or a difference-making wideout, this team could very easily make the playoffs. And if the draft goes like this, I will be betting on the Bears to make the playoffs. That is 100% a bet that I'm making immediately after the draft. So you can book that now. And maybe this is me wishcasting, but I think this is very much like a real scenario here

with them getting Odunza, Williams, and going from there. One other question. Go ahead. A question I have for both of y'all guys since y'all are both in the chicago area what are y'all projecting or what have y'all seen projected as a return possible return for justin fields well i think they're doing a good job right now posturing right because i think you know there's you know we still don't know that they're not getting rid of them which is again i think that they're doing their due diligence by not playing their hands i don't think it's a first round pick um you know you had the fifth year so i think anyone probably voids the fifth year in a trade

but i think it's probably a day two pick and maybe a future pick like a second and a future third or something like that i imagine you could probably get it done now like if you think he's the answer at quarterback then you make that you make that trade and i think it was still like is this not like caleb going one of the bears in my opinion is not an indictment on fields it's just like it's math and how you have to like run an organization uh do i think fields is flawed yeah do i think i understand why fandom is a hell of a drug and why you're a bears fan and you watch some of these extended play runs and scrambles that he makes and you're like damn i love watching this guy and cheering for him so i understand it so i understand why a fan base would be pretty excited

to get him and why a team would be willing to give up a couple of day two picks so connor what are your thoughts yes uh so i did like a justin fields trade rumors piece um and it kind of made me think a little bit more about like what the return would be. I think they're asking for like you know, late first comp in total, but that equates to like a second round pick and a third round pick maybe combined. I think right now you know, again, this is kind of just a guess, but with Atlanta, my guess would be that they're asking for a second, third and a swap from nine to eight for fields. And I think that that's not completely outrageous. Like I think that that they'll can probably get in that ballpark. Maybe it's a second and a swap from nine to eight for fields. And I think that that's not completely outrageous. Like I think that that they'll can probably get in that ballpark. Maybe it's a second and a fifth and a swap of nine, eight,

but I would bet that they're trying to throw in that eight, nine swap to land another guy, whether it's a dunes or, you know, maybe it gives them even more ammo to trade up to like five to get neighbors, something like that. You know, I think that, or, or even higher, I mean, even Marvin Harrison jr. There was a time where if the bears didn't win the second half of the season, they could have easily gotten Caleb and Marvin Harrison Jr.,

but instead they wound up winning. And now it's kind of, I mean, it boosted Justin Fields' trade value, I think, I guess. Like, I think prior to his second half of the season, he probably would have been like the late second, early third round pick kind of type of guy. Now, you know, he's a little bit more than that, but still like, I mean, they kind of dropped the ball and not getting Marvin Harrison Jr.

just because they, you know they ripped off some wins there. So, I don't know. Some thoughts. Yeah, they've been very interesting. So, yeah, the Bears are in pretty good shape there. The Jets finished the top 10, and everyone feels like this is a – it's got to be a win now type prospect because Aaron Rodgers feels like – I know Joe Douglas is the general manager, but it kind of feels like Aaron's got a seat at the table. So it does have to be something that helps them win now.

And J.C. Latham is a massive human being that you can plug into the offensive line, maybe tackle, maybe guard. Second lineman off the board here, Connor. What were your thoughts? Any consideration to like a Brock Bowers here or anything else here for the Jets at 10? Yeah, I think Bowers could be in play. I mean, it's just basically Rodgers calling the shots,

it seems like, at least in a lot of these areas. And I think he failed pretty miserably last year with some of his buddies coming over and not doing a whole lot. Lazard was awesome, man. Yeah, like he just stinks, dude. He was never really all that good to begin with um yeah i don't know i basically just kind of penciled in like more help for him uh you know on the offensive line i think he could be pass catcher here as well i don't think that they go defense in this spot that just doesn't really make a whole lot of sense

with rogers kind of helping the charge here but kind of after this, like top 10, there's like a couple of guys that I think are worth touching on. Um, and you know, from here on out, but overall it was kind of just like this top 10 and maybe, I mean, Bowers is the only other one that I really Bowers and Dallas Turner with only other two that I really think are like top 10 fringe fringe guys here. Like I don't really see anyone else moving to the top 10 Scott. I don't know if you feel kind of the same way or like what your early vibes are here, because it seems like a pretty kind of narrow group barring like an unexpected selection here.

Yeah, I think we would have to be very surprised to see anybody outside of kind of these top 12 guys that you have really moving in, unless it's going to be a quarterback like Bo Nix or something. I've heard some rumors that some people are high on him and expect him to go in the first round. But I think it's a very, like you said, narrow group this year as far as what you're going to see in the top 10 to 12 picks. And I think you did a good job of kind of getting those guys in the range of where I expect them to be picked. And, you know, especially here for the Jets,

with Makai Becton being the failure he's been, I think Latham makes the most sense. And there's kind of a little bit of a drop-off, the same way we said at wide receiver, here after this tackle position as well. Yeah, I agree. I think you guys did a good job there. It's a deep draft in some positions.

But in terms of where we're right now and again this is really feels somewhat dangerous to say just because we're literally like we're like two months out so much changes so fast right and we again we are pre-combined pre-free agency uh franchise tags all that stuff right we are fresh off the super bowl but does feel like there are is a pretty noticeable tier we start to get into like the defensive players and outside of some of those offensive linemen we'll see shuffles i think back of that was that like andrew thomas um it was a couple years ago where it's like there was five like offensive linemen everyone thought they were but no one knew the order and it became like it shifted so much even like the last 72 hours or so

i very much could see that here again where there's like you know a shift in like there's like But no one knew the order, and it shifted so much even in the last 72 hours or so. I very much could see that here again where there's a shift. There's an offensive lineman that are probably going to go here in the top 40 or so. So we could see a shift there as well as some of the interesting ones. The Broncos are interesting to me because they obviously played their hand late in the season with the Russell Wilson stuff and said they were looking to move forward. Now, obviously, are they going to go in the season with the russell wilson stuff and said they were looking to move forward now they obviously are they going to go into the season is sean payton going into season two with jared still in my quarterback probably not right they want to make a splash somehow draft wise though they're pretty i can again and this is something that payton's been

willing to do with what they did with like the salary cap in New Orleans for a very, very long time. And they're still trying to unpack there. They can get weird with future stuff. They just don't have a lot of draft picks. They, they have 12. They don't have a second rounder.

I don't pick till 76 in the third. We'll pick the one 22 in the fourth. So like, they don't have a lot of like this year stuff to move. So, you know, don't have a lot of like this year's stuff to move so uh you know to move up a lot like you have to be really set and in this scenario like for them to move from 12 to 3 it's going to be really rich are you going to move up to take the fourth quarterback in the draft knowing that like jj's probably not coming to youa 12 knowing that like it makes a ton of sense for minnesota to take him if he happens to fall there is minnesota even going to sit on their hands they might even move up uh to go ahead and make a move to solidify that as well so like

the broncos are really interesting in terms of what their future is they have a lot of positional needs uh you know i think they could they have some needs offensively i get why you you kind of stop the fall of Brock Bowers there. Whoever's that quarterback needs some weapons there too. So there's a lot of questions of the Broncos, and I know you gave the bag to Peyton and expect him to be a miracle worker, but it's going to get pretty tough. They're kind of in a tough spot to do.

Another team that maybe won some games on the stretch and probably hurt themselves more than they could possibly help themselves here. So what are your thoughts there, Connor? I know you have, this is a Broncos Jersey flying behind you proudly. What are your thoughts on Denver? Yeah. I mean, if Demaryius Thomas is there at 12,

they'd be drafting him, you know, for a lock, but no, it's I think it's a great point that you bring up there with the quarterback situation. I guess I didn't really think about it in depth enough like that, because like Sean Payton,

I just can't imagine he goes into like the second year with like Jared Stidham. So what does that solution look like? He doesn't really strike me as a Justin Fields guy. You know, that just doesn't really seem like, you know, he's Justin Fields might be the anti like Drew Brees. Like that might be like the complete diametric opposite of Drew Brees. And so, yeah, I think a guy like J.J. McCarthy makes a ton of sense. Now, how do they get there and what does that look like? I just think we're going to see a lot more pieces fall into place here with free agency because, again, Joseph Fields goes to the Falcons or the Raiders or someone like that.

I think kind of lessons competition, the Broncos know who they'll need to get above. Is that moving to seven or six or is that trying to get all the way up to three involving this year's first, next year's first, and a second and third round pick in the future as well, probably the year after. So like, would they do that? Maybe. I mean, they're already so screwed, you know, money and draft pick wise. They'll like, they might as well just keep going in. Like I, they're not going to be able to trade down or anything and like slowly regain capital. Like

that's boring. It'll take like 10 10 years. They also did that weird trade. I think Sean Payton was there where they traded up for, what was it, one of the Davenport guys, 12 picks trading up for a first-round pick from the 20s to the low teens

to get one of their guys who they just had the most conviction of even though he was I don't know, I think a mid-round mocked guy. I don't know. I think that's a good point though.

They're just going to be aggressive and do whatever they want they think that they need to to get what they need which is a quarterback yeah yeah why worry about it today when you can worry about tomorrow scott um any thoughts on kind of this section i think it's interesting too like i mean the raiders are in a similar spot right they have your you know first year like head coach of uh antonio pierce having him come back are you did you see enough from amy o'conConnell? You're kind of behind the ball in terms of the pecking order of the rest of these teams that are looking to make the plays

for the secondary quarterbacks. Are you going to justify a Bo Nix in the middle of the first round or a Michael Penix or whatever just because you need the position? Again, when your roster has so many holes. So I think that whole section, particularly the Broncos and the raiders i think are very interesting again i know you have insight on the saints so anything you want to talk about here in the middle go for it yeah i think uh i think one of the lines that i'm going to be looking at early on here as soon as it drops is going to be the number of trades in the first round because i i think you have good arguments

whether it's minnesota denver you know, the Raiders there in Vegas. I think those one of those three teams is going to move up and I think it's going to be for a quarterback. Naturally, we have to wait for a few of the dominoes start to fall. Kirk Cousins and Justin Fields and whatnot. But I think once that happens, you're going to start to see some of these things go on. As far as the Saints, I think what Connor has right here, it might not be the player, but I think it's right on. I think when you start looking at the Saints, you know, they have a new offensive staff coming in.

But specifically, Ryan Ramchak over at right tackle has a degenerative knee, and they're saying that, like, all the cartilage is completely gone in his knee. While he played well the first few years, I think you can't trust him here going forward. There's potential talk that he could retire in the offseason. And then they went ahead and drafted Trevor Penning, expecting him to play left tackle, and he's been a huge bust for him. He's not been able to move over and play that left side.

And there was talks of moving him into guard, but he couldn't even move into guard. It was getting outplayed by backups that they moved into guard to where they ended up putting Andrews Pete starting at left tackle. So when you start looking at Derek Carr, I think Derek Carr is the type of quarterback that can have success whenever he's protected. And specifically with the way the Saints offensive line is kind of in shambles right now, I think they're looking at drafting, you know, a tackle or some offensive line help here in the range that there are. And, you know, Connor hit that right on the head with the offensive tackle there from Georgia. So, you know, as far as that kind of group

and some of these others, I think, you know, early on, you know, as far as putting things together for a mock draft 1.0, I think Connor's hit a lot of nails on the head as far as where I would be looking to go and kind of what my mock drafts are going to be very similar to. But that's one of the lines that I look to keep in sight is what the over and under is on amount of trades in the first round is going to be very similar to but that's one of the lines that i look to to keep in in in sight is is what the over and unders on amount of trades in the first round is going to be yeah that's a good that's a good call yeah i think uh you know some of the next picks on the

board make some sense too and again i think we'll have some free agency stuff franchise tag stuff uh suss those out like jacksonville at 17 uh with jared verse they're like what do they do with josh allen that's a big piece for them i think that they probably lock him up um do they still want to go edge if they do so brian thomas uh junior the wide receiver from lsu to the uh the bangles there bangles have uh probably tyler boyd walking and a decision to make on t higgins in terms of extending or you know franchise. That makes a lot of sense. The most shocking thing on the board is number 19. The Rams have a first round pick.

That's the first time the Rams have had a first round pick. I think it's since 2016 when they took Jared golf at one Oh one the Rams. And again, like you want a team that's going to trade out of the first round the rams could give a rip about taking first round picks so uh we'll see if the rams want to hold that position but yeah even shocking to see la uh and the blue and yellow there on the board because it's not something we've seen very often here first round box so uh yes again like now we get into some position stuff because we have kind of a group of defensive backs and Connor has them bunched up here basically from 15 to 22. Really hard to make up or down or like, you know, have any insight on terms of like why

you think one guy is higher than others. But I'm interested to see how that kind of shakes out. So what are some guys, Connor, that maybe just missed or you wanted to touch on or if you were to do it again now having a couple of days back that would have made it in the first round for you. Yeah. Um, it's interesting. Scott brought up Bo Nix. That's something that I've been toying with. And I think the quarterback conversation is interesting with Michael Penix and Bo Nix. Uh, I don't think the Penix goes in the first round. I think that he's probably more of like a second, like early to mid second round guy. Um, but I'mott so i mean where did you hear nicks like kind of linked to like in the

middle part of the round like late part like is he like a a trade up and get the fifth year option guy or is he like a legit interest in the middle part of the first round some of the scouts that i uh that i listen to and pay most attention to as far as respecting their outlook, a lot of them have him kind of in that early 20 to mid-20 range as far as what they think. They think he's going to interview great. They think he's going to test well at the combine. They think the combine is kind of set up for him to go ahead and shine. But specifically, they think when he goes into interviews,

doing some of the whiteboard work and doing some of that stuff is where he's going to win over some of the scouts and some of the coaches. And that he's really going to make some of these front offices start thinking about, can we go ahead and pass on one of these guys? And especially when you start looking at some of these teams that may end up missing out on a quarterback there early in the draft or through free agency like that you know look their quarterback is one of those positions where there's not many guys that can go ahead and scout them accurately i think no matter how good you think some of these scouts and some of these front offices are you see misses on quarterbacks time and time again um to the point where you even start looking at washington and sam how you've got some like Jets were a team that I heard that are interested and maybe possibly trading for Sam Howell if Washington's willing to move on from him.

So you've got some teams that are always going to be looking like quarterback. I mean, Pittsburgh's another team right there. I mean, how comfortable are you with their quarterback situation moving forward? You know, there's some rumors that they're looking for one of these guys in free agency or via trade. So there are some teams there that you have some concern about. They're in a, you know, that late teen, early 20 range. And, you know, even if he falls past there, you know, late in the draft and you have these teams that are comfortable there from like 28 with Buffalo all the way down to Kansas City, you know, you may have a team move into the bottom of that first round to get that quarterback that they think can go ahead and help them move forward. And, you know, for a team like Denver, if Denver's uncomfortable moving big draft capital to go ahead and get into that top, say, five or six or to, to get one of these quarterbacks. If they miss out there, it's the bottom of the first round, a potential spot where they move up for a guy like Bo Nix or

somebody in that caliber to, to go ahead and get their quarterback of the future. Since they don't have a whole lot of draft capital, you start talking about Sean Payton in particular and how he's leveraged, you know, future first round picks, um, you you know for previous years coming up and that's a type of move that i could see him making yeah it's been fascinating he said it's a good exercise thank you connor for going first and you know taking the lumps here for the team uh scott is on deck uh we'll have a mock from scott here uh and i will uh circle in um you know the knight in shining armor with more information than both of you to run out my first one. And then we'll just keep doing this out through the process.

Again, we will continue to get more information. We are a little bit more than a week away from the combine, which I think is going to be impactful. And you start to get a little bit more of this stuff to shake out from a free agency standpoint. It's going to be massive, too, because, again,yan got me here too in the chat uh white guys everywhere marking dejean to the rams with seahorn adam archuleta visions in their head uh yeah uh he will not be at the combine which is uh too bad because like i've seen this kid's like high school basketball tape and he's springy and uh and pretty fun so uh too bad we won't see him in the combine again maybe that's impactful in terms of where he falls,

you know, in the early DB rankings and stuff like that. But yeah, good one, Ryan. We appreciate that one. It's pretty good. So again, don't forget to head over to the site, 444.com. Click on the betting tab and you will find Connor's mock draft there on the site. So you'll be able to find Scott's there as well. Find Scott on Twitter at Scott Smith FF.

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