Move The Line - 2025 NFL Draft Breakdown: Latest News & Early Best Bets!

Episode Date: March 19, 2025

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Hello and welcome to move the line. Ryan here, joined here as always by Connor Allen. And as always during this time of year as we get closer to draft day is our friend Scott Smith, fresh off of posting mock draft 1.0 in between just gallivanting all over the country, training UFC fighters, obviously general badass as well. And the draft space is always love doing this with Scott every year. Scott, what's going on, buddy? Not much, man.

Just happy to be home first time in about three weeks. So it's been Vegas, it's been Mexico, it's been a few other places outside of the country so look just first show of the season and draft season we're getting into this a little bit late but it's time to get things rolling so. Yeah I'm excited and we you know some markets unfortunately mostly just on DraftKings generally can be tough limit wise but start to get a sense of maybe some stuff that will come out, some prices, some news that's been impactful,

obviously a very busy free agency period as of late. I know Connor, you knocked out a show last week touching on some of the news on free agency and stuff like that. What's going on with you, buddy? Yeah, not much. Yeah, Miko and I did a show last week just talking about all the different free agent impacts

and everything, and I think the consensus we came to is at the top of the board, none of it really mattered. But there was a couple of teams towards the middle and bottom that were definitely makes, you know, mattered a ton in terms of what direction they're going to go. So yeah, I mean, overall, still a lot of fluidity, I think at the top, so a lot of, you know, uncertainty, I mean, all over the board, especially in a class where there's just not that many good players in my opinion. There's well, there's a lot of good players, but I just don't know how many great players are there. And I think that impacts, you know, picks six to 25, uh, dramatically. Yeah, that was kind of their thing. A key takeaway in the first show that we did, uh, without Scott was just like, you know, we look at the discrepancies and shout out to our boy, uh, Vegas refund. Um, you know, we look at the discrepancies and shout out to our boy Vegas refund. You know, VR has got that sheet that he puts out and it's just the gap between so many spots that these guys land on you think it's going to be one of those really interesting years, you know, from a mock draft standpoint,

just really tough to kind of land some of these guys, cause you'll see, uh, people going, you know, in the top 10 on the mock draft and you can see them out of someone else's mock complete in the first round or like barely in the first round. And, uh, you know, maybe we get more of a consensus as we go through pro days. I know that's a lot of Scott does a lot of work there. I think we have an Alabama pro day today. There's some other ones coming up here on deck that just kind of create stuff. One of the big shifts since the last time we met Connor was you were seeing a lot of Abdul Carter at the one

on one. We've seen pretty much a shift to the Titans. I guess staying at one with Cam Ward. You look at DraftKings has current number one pick odds, Cam Ward minus 800. So that's a pretty sizable shift from the last time that we spoke. That seems like an aggressive price, but I understand why we're there. Yeah, we very much seems to be a consensus that Cam Ward is the clear quarterback one. Just a lot going on at the top here too. I'm going to get started. I don't care where we want to take this, but any thoughts on Cam Ward? Any thoughts on how that's kind of shifted with the Titans at the top? Yeah, no, it's been an interesting, you know, kind of, I think whirlwind here for Cam Ward.

It's, you know, initially expected. we have the GM with a way longer leash You know Titans GM just recently hired like there is thought that okay Well, they can take a blue chip player like a dual Carter wait on a quarterback Just kind of like again build a good team around a potential future quarterback But the thing is is I think what they're realizing is they're probably not gonna have the number one pick over on the world pick again Hopefully like they're not sure they're probably not going to have the number one pick over on the overall pick again, hopefully. Like they're not sure when the next quarterback could come around. So if they like Kim Ward, you probably got to just take your guy and just sit there and take your guy or make a massive trade down, kind of like the Bears did. And then hope to get lucky again, you know, in future years.

So, yeah, I think that right now we're seeing, you know, Schefter saying he would be shocked if Kim Ward wasn't the first overall pick. Daniel, Daniel Jeremiah saying the Ward's going to go number one. saying he would be shocked if Kam Ward wasn't the first overall pick. Daniel, Daniel Jeremiah saying the Ward's going to go number one. Jeremy Fowler said today that meetings with the Titans have gone well for, for Ward. Uh, you know, I think minus 800 is steep, to be honest, like you said, like I think that that's tough considering, I don't know, it hasn't been like Kam Ward, some shoe in number one pick, you know, since the beginning, like as of now, I think it's probably Ward,

but I think there's still a little bit uncertainty. Yeah, it feels like a weird spot to trade up as well unless someone really loves Ward, the quarterback situation in terms of teams that are desperately needing a starter, like, you know, young quarterback, it's, you know, probably the two teams sitting right behind Tennessee with the Browns needing to make some sort of decision. Then obviously the Giants as well. You can see the Raiders getting involved, I suppose too, but like in terms of that still probably lands cam ward in number one, right? So even though like minus 800 is is Steve, it does make a ton of sense. You're looking at maybe the last week or so, you know, a dozen plus mock drafts and you really there's

only we're seeing like two that haven't had that don't have cam ward At the top there. Uh scott any thought to the uh, number one overall pick Uh talking about for the first time for me this year Yeah, I kind of feel like it's the jayden daniel effect all over again Um cam ward's got a little bit of a similar skill set as far as that and we get these lulls every few years where the The quarterback talent isn't as good as what it was the year before, but you have a team like Tennessee who needs a quarterback and they're sitting here at the top. And I think you look at what Jaden Daniels did last year for Washington, being able to

turn that team around. I think GMs get starry eyes thinking that, you know, maybe they can go ahead and strike with the irons hot and get a guy like Cam Ward, who, while a lot of analysts don't think that he's as good as what Jaden Daniels is and as good as a prospect, I think they're hoping to kind of hit lightning in the bottle and turn their franchise around that way. And Tennessee is just in a situation where they really don't have much else. You look at the quarterbacks that are out there on the market and free agency, and there's nobody that's going to turn the franchise around.

So with no guarantee that you're going to be here again next year for the arch manning's and some of the other prospects that could be there in a better quarterback class. I think they're in a situation where they almost have to go cam ward. And they've had a nice off season in terms of I think Dan Moore and Kevin Zeigler are starting caliber NFL offensive lineman they've added. They've addressed the offensive line back to back years in the first round. So they're at least putting in some parameters that could support a QB investment early,

if that tends to make sense. The Browns are interesting too. Can I share this in a chat this morning? I don't know if you saw that or if you had any interpretation, but it was a very I'm going to take all your money and I kind of feel good about some of the stuff I'm hearing from us internally about what we're doing in terms of roster building and the quarterback position specifically was what the question was phrased. And I interpreted that as a very interesting conversation. And I think that's a very interesting conversation to have. And I think that's a very interesting conversation to have. And I think that's a very interesting conversation to have.

And I think that's a very interesting conversation to have. And I think that's a very interesting conversation to have. I'm hearing from us internally about what we're doing in terms of roster building and the quarterback position specifically was what the question was phrased. And I interpreted that very much as someone that's saying that was comfortable with whatever he was told. That to me isn't Mason Rudolph. That isn't, you know, plucking Kirk Cousins. Like that seemed to be someone who's like, it's one of those like, I think we made the analogy before, like this box or the boat, like it might even be a boat. It's like, you know, it might be Shredor Sanders. There's a lot of questions about Shredor Sanders, but right now it's like, we don't really know what Shredor Sanders could be, right? So there's just probably nothing in terms of like a players from a player standpoint, like if I'm thinking about Miles

Gary, it's probably nothing about optimism in terms of what the upside of someone, what that pedigree could be. My interpretation of that very, very much was they're taking cam watershed or Sanders at whoever's there one or two. Um, do you have a thought on that? Is that how you interpreted that at all or anything to add to the Brown's quarterback discussion? Yeah, definitely. I mean, he signed a longterm contract and was asked about the future of the quarterback position and was like, I feel good about who we're going to get. I think it was like about the future the quarterback position and was like I feel good about

Who we're gonna get I think it was like it was like it was like I feel good The way was phrase was like they're not done adding so they're gonna get someone else and so I Know could that I mean can they even afford Russell Wilson in any sense like I mean I don't think they can they don't Have any more caps face like at all so it has to be a rookie right like and If that happens like you're not gonna feel good about who you're gonna get in the Second round like I don't know like to me. It's to me. It's one of those things where the more I think about it It's probably should err or cam ward whoever's there, too there was Another Jeremy Fowler quote today

There was like that should err has some plenty of fans in the building with the Browns But they just weren't sure whether that was gonna be in the you know enough to take him in the first round at 1.02 I mean we hear that every year like they have him with Bo Nicks We knew the Bo Nicks had fans in the building. We're just like oh, they're probably no way they're gonna do it at 112 They do it Daniel Jones when he was drafted by the Giants Michael Pena's we didn't really know but you know I think Bo Nicks is probably a more, you know clear example of like if you like your quarterback you need a quarterback You're probably just gonna pick them in the first round. You're not gonna let anyone else have a chance.

So, and obviously all the parallels between, Dion, Browns OC, Bill Musgrave, played together with 49ers, Pat Shermer, Kevin Stefanski worked together. Shermer was OC at Colorado. I'm probably gonna mention that three more times throughout draft season, but I think these things matter. I think it matters. These little things matter. So yeah, like right now, and I almost

don't even want to say this because I'm not sure because the latest hype has been, I'm not sure if they're gonna take quarterback, which maybe Brown's first position drafted right now on DK is minus 120 quarterback. Yep. Yeah. I have a little list. I have a couple of that. I think you're pretty interesting and that's, that's definitely one. Um, I have a list. I have a couple that I think are pretty interesting and that's that's definitely one. Scott, any thoughts on, you know, the Browns there do there too? I mean, obviously the mark you put out today, you have them selecting Abdul Carter, you know, talking about Russell specifically as a bridge QB. Any thoughts on the Browns and what they do it to? Yeah, right now I have Abdul Carter, just because I think he's the better talent and should or standards, but

everything you mentioned makes a lot of sense and should or Sanders and Cam Ward or both players that they've been heavily involved with. Throughout the process, they've had top 30 visits scheduled. They met with him at the combine. So they're definitely doing their homework and it's important enough to see whether or not they're going to feel comfortable with you know, who should or Sanders is as a player. A lot of analysts seem to think he's very similar to what Dak Prescott would kind of be at an NFL level.

So I think all those relationships definitely come into play. There's a lot of nepotism when it comes to coaching and relationships with players that they played with. And so I could definitely see it there. And he was the other option that I had in consideration. I think it's kind of narrowed down between three players, which would be, you know, Abdul Carter, Shador Sanders, and then Travis Hunter. I really don't see them going after anybody else. I tend to think that Cam Ward is almost locked in,

not a hundred percent, but he'll probably be there in my final map draft. So I think those three players that I just mentioned are who Cleveland's looking at there at two. Uh, one other thing I want to add on Chaudhuri too. So something that's kind of been coming to light, he didn't work out at all at the combine, didn't do any of the tests. Now in the pro day, not doing any of the tests, not doing any of the common stuff.

Like I think there's two ways to look at it. Does he have a promise? Like, does he already know that he's going top three no matter what, or does he just not give a fuck? Like, is he just like, I don't care. Like I'll figure it out later. I tend to think it's the former. I tend to think it's like, he just knows the Browns,

Giants or whatever Titans are gonna pick him. I don't know. Any thoughts there from either of you guys? I completely agree. I think dad's too involved, understands the process and the system too much to Have him kind of have like just fucking D gaff attitude right like there has to be some sort of You know advice there that is steering him in the right direction

So I think it's he knows that he just doesn't have to write He doesn't just doesn't have to bother because he's not falling really outside the top top three And let's remember Dion Dion blew off a lot of his combine stuff back when he was a player as well He doesn't just doesn't have to bother because he's not falling really outside the top top three And let's remember deon deon blew off a lot of his combine stuff back when he was a player as well The big concern for chador is I don't think his arm talent is quite where it needs to be There's been some video out there him working out with cam ward and cam ward, you know Just looking completely better throwing the ball And I think when it came down to doing things at the combine, I don't think he wanted to be overshadowed by either Cam Ward or

either Jackson Dar or some of the other quarterbacks behind him with the throwing. And I think when it comes down to it, like you said, at the pro day, I think he's getting the guidance from his dad to basically stand on his name and stand on what they've built there at Colorado with Dion. So I think he's definitely being guided by his dad as far as what to do and on his name and stand on the, you know, what they've built there at Colorado with Deion. So I think he's definitely being guided by his dad as far as what to do and the relationships that, you know, Deion has with the NFL and some of these other coaches within the league, I think it puts Shador in a different situation than many other prospects will ever be in.

Yeah, I don't want to over read the miles Garrett video, but I think it really genuinely matters. We're talking about a player that was definitely positioning himself to get out of the building and to get back and to stay in. There's definitely discussions internally for him to try to want to be involved in the future of the franchise, right? Not making decisions, but like, keep me in the loop. And there's no scenario where his response is because they're bringing Russell Wilson

in, right? And there's no scenario where his response is because they're bringing Russell Wilson in. You just signed the contract extension. You can't feel great about the future of the position. You might feel great about maybe a stopgap for this year. But in terms of the future, the position for you to feel good about taking that money and resigning somewhere, that's a bringing in a rookie to me very, very clearly. So I think it does matter. That's part of draft season and doing this is definitely some tea leaf reading. And I think that that's a good early nugget that we have that can kind of help form some of the rest of this too. And then there's kind of a trickle down effect because I think we're all in consensus that

there is a clear top four, not in terms of necessarily where we have if we were doing big boards that we would have Chidora Sanders inside that. But like if he's in the mix, really that next, I guess, top three of Cam Ward, Abdul Carter and Travis Hunter shake out pretty clearly behind that, uh, decent, I guess free agent period for the giants at three. They still have a quarterback, uh, issue to address. They're obviously still in the mix for Aaron Rogers or whatever happens there. Russell Wilson sweepstakes, right? There seemed to be maybe some stopgap situations going on there

They do have a pretty heavy investment in Edgerusher we came on tibetal and the Brian Burns sounding last year. It doesn't necessarily Reclude them from drafting Abdul Carter But they do have massive needs at corner. Even though they have, I think, some answers and they've extended, you know, Slayton and obviously with Malik neighbors. Travis Hunter feels like more of a fit for me for the Giants than Abdul Carter. Connor, do you have any thoughts on what we see from the Giants at three with the assumption here

that we have Ward and should or Sanders going ahead. Yeah, because I like where Scott went. If he's there three, I think he's probably an autopic for them. But if he's not there, yeah, I think it's you got to bring in another difference maker with Travis Hunter. I mean, at this point, we talked about before, but like there are a couple of GMs who are desperate and teams that are desperate and the Giants are certainly one of them. So, you know, adding they just need talent who can show up right away Like they can't afford to draft an offensive lineman or anything like, you know Maybe or even just a prospect that might take time to develop like they need a guy who they can throw out there All the time Travis Hunter fits that I mean to a tee like you want a guy who could maybe play both sides of the ball

I mean they might be desperate enough to just throw them out there the entire game like honestly like just right off the bat I have no idea because they legit have Just so much below replacement level talent that any kind of injection of anything is is what they need You know both sides So yeah, I think that makes a lot of sense over an Abdul Carter, especially with how their team is built Which is interesting is again Abdul could go one could go for like it, you know could go all over the place Yeah, not going after four. I don't think, uh, Scott, any thoughts on, yeah, I know we're deviating from your mock currently. Um, but if, you know,

we were to happen to have cam and Sanders, uh, one, two, what do you think the giants would then do at three? Yeah, I think Hunter makes the most sense. Um, people are fawning over the talent and the fact that he was a two way player, but also with the giants, like they just need an influx of talent. The fact that the wide receiver market has been so bare and they spent like $10 to $12 million on Darius Slayton on retaining him this year, goes to show exactly how desperate that front office and the coaching staff there is.

So I think Travis Hunter would go ahead and make the most sense. And if they still wanted to address the quarterback, I think they would be going to, to a veteran quarterback and maybe trying to move up in the back end of the first half to get a guy like Jackson Dart or somebody like that, if they are to miss out on Chador Sanders and, and Cam Ward there early in the first three picks. Yeah. It makes more sense to me than, than Carter. New England then subsequently runs to the podium, uh, and gets the

agile Carter selection, uh, in there, in my opinion. I think that they do that with either Hunter or Carter. Scott, I'm gonna go back to you because in your mock you had Hunter still on the board but you had the Patriots addressing offensive line. I don't disagree that that's not that's a massive, massive issue. You know, Armand Mendo just continues to climb. I think did my mock maybe three weeks ago now and it felt like at the time when I had Membu in the top 10, felt a little racy compared to where he had been at the time and now it feels like, I think like just almost consensus. I mean looking at the last handful of mocks, it

looks like 13, 14. I mean he was, let's see, Kuiper had him 11 yesterday, Jeremiah at 7. So he's definitely in this mix. We have seen him mocked forward to New England, not just yourself. Talk to me a little bit about the thought process on New England skipping Travis Hunter in going offensive line. It comes down to multiple things. Um, first and foremost, let me address Will Campbell, um, at LSU. I don't think that all teams are sold on him being an offensive tackle.

I think some teams can have him slotted at guard. So for him to be the first tackle off the board, um, I don't think that's a short thing. I think the fact that Memboo can play multiple positions makes him a safer pick, but specifically when it comes to, um, what we're looking at with, with the Patriots, they need, they need to influx of talent, both along the offensive line and they need to get some weapons. The how beat up, uh, you know, your young quarterback got last year and Drake may I think you have to look at that and address that

going forward and variable just kind of strikes me as a guy that's going to want to build from the trenches as far as like the defense and stuff go and you've got some guys in this in this mock draft in this draft class like Luther Burden, a Mecca, but Bucca you've got some of these guys that aren't necessarily settled with exactly where they're going to go with the talent that's there and how the drafts kind of falling. I can see, you know, New England possibly pivoting, taking who they think is the best offensive lineman and trying to address one of those wide receiver offensive weapon positions there early in round two, or even maybe trade up to the back end of round one to make sure that they get their guy. So that was just kind of the thought process that I had. Membu from everything that I'm hearing is a guy who's been flying up boards.

He had some injury concerns that kind of like kept him from really being able to work out and do some of the things that he wanted there early in the draft process. But, you know, the more you hear around league circles is that many, many teams are high on him and have him as the first offensive lineman off the board. And if the Patriots plan to address the situation strategically the way I laid out, I think he's the guy. Yeah, I like it. I mean, the positional versatility would make a ton of sense. Definitely a guy screaming up, you know big boards and such They just need talent overall too. I like the Carlton Davis signing for New England

Carl Davis has never played I think more than 13 games in his career So like just really hard to trust you're gonna get a full slate of action from Carl. They've just not Never happened. I remember but it's the same thing with both Jamal Dean and Carlton Davis every year in Tampa. It's like, oh yeah, they got great corners. But yeah, but they're never they're gonna miss a month at some point in the season. It just happens every single year. So it feels good to have them there now. But still Travis Hunter having a little bit of flexibility just the team that needs talent of any team that needs talent on both sides of the ball. They need a guy that can play two ways. It's doing they're still like massively devoid of any team that needs talent on both sides of the ball, they need a guy that could play two ways It's doing they're still like massively

Devoid of any talent and you know offensive line is is where they need a ton of help there, too It makes a lot of sense. What are we looking at? Is there first offensive linemen off the board anywhere yet? Yeah, it's you see that one. I just want 75 to minus 180 Yeah, it's a pretty terrible, pretty terrible odds currently. Um, yeah, he was like, not there were even money like maybe a week ago or so, but rightfully so. Uh, I think someone got ahead of the steam here and all the news you guys mentioned just with like kind of members steaming up Campbell,

some questions around arm length and all that. He just seems like more of a I don't know 10 to 18 10 to 20 kind of guy than you know like a like starting his range at like four you know where I think Memboo could legit go if again you know I'll pray for you if that happens Noonan and you know you don't land one of Carter or Travis Hunter. Um, but you know, I mean, Hey, if Scherter Sanders falls, it's, it's not crazy for them to go memboo instead. Agreed. Agreed. Some interesting prices based off of what we just talked about, uh,

looking at there currently. So first non quarterback drafted, um, which we kind of discussed the possibility of being Travis Hunter plus two 75 for Travis Hunter first non QB drafted. Um, Not terrible. Some other, I guess, you know, variations of this giants are currently minus 600 to take a quarterback. We snatch them basically from the giants corner. Again, of them classifying Travis Hunter as a corner corners plus three 50, the giants to take a corner first. So plus 350, the Giants to take corner

first. So not awful, but you're starting to get a sense of maybe some stuff to sprinkle on or have a look. And the same thing, New England first player drafted defensive line and edge is plus 550. So again, if we go quarterback, quarterback, Travis Hunter, you know, obviously offensive lineman is still in the mix, I think like plus 250 or so, but the thought process of them not passing on Abdul Carter at four plus 550 for doing that to land him I think is not awful. Early in the draft process, you're starting to build out a portfolio. I think there's just some variations of markets that I think makes sense based off of some of the discussions that we just had.

So again, early, six weeks out, but you know, starting to look at prices. What did, let's see here. I think also team to draft Travis Hunter Giants plus three 20, uh, it's available at a couple of spots. Um, that's interesting. Also, I think some of these two, like if something were to happen with, I don't know, Aaron Rogers or something like that, like I think it's definitely possible that, um, I mean, again, you should just try and like run to these books and tweet this out or, or, or like bet it, you know, eventually not to do that. Sorry. Let's just, uh, thinking about something else there. Yeah. No, it's,

we'd run bet it as much as possible. And, uh, you know, never tweeted out, never tweeted out, never tweeted out. Yeah. Yeah. No, I like that. So it's starting to look at me again, DraftKings first again, they'll always have typically the best markets. Just again, early in the process, laying the process very hard to do anything off of it. But I started to track that and get a sense of what can happen in other books, I think is, is pretty interesting. Just gonna kick it back to you. Talk to me about anything you want to talk about and then maybe the top 10 of what you've done mock wise. You landed Ash and Gentie at the Raiders, the same as what Connor and I have done.

There's more discussion on you know Gentie maybe not making it past the Bears even at 10 with how the Bears offseason has gone so far. Anything you want to do in the top 10, talk to us about it. Yeah, I think, uh, you know, the, the match of Junta to the Raiders, to me, what I'm looking at and what I think makes sense is the team just has no offensive identity. Um, you know, Devante Adams like left, you know, last year and via trade to, to go wink up with Rogers and, you Rogers and now he's in with the Rams. And that whole running back committee last year for the Raiders was just a mess,

whether you're talking fantasy or real life or otherwise. It's just a constant rotation of subpar performers and talents. And John T's a guy who people have compared, not style wise to Barry Sanders, but being one of the best running back prospects since Barry Sanders. And even some of these other guys that have come out, he rates very highly.

And if he is as good as what everybody seems to think he is, he's a foundational piece for a team that really doesn't have many outside of Max Crosby. You start looking at the trade for Gino Smith, so you've kind of solved the quarterback issue, but outside of that, this team needs some offensive line help. They really need some better weapons outside of the tight end, but they need to start building something that can compete and it's they're in a division where you can't consistently, you know, not score points against, you know, the rest of

the AFC West. So they need somebody that's going to help them score points. You know, they need help on both sides of the ball, but I just think Jean T is the guy that they can get the most bang for their buck here as far as like on the field. Yeah. Hard to argue with that. Connor, are you okay with 10 McMillan's 40 time? John T is the guy that they can get the most bang for their buck here as far as like on the field. Yeah. Hard to argue with that. Connor, are you okay with 10 McMillan's 40 time?

A lot of discussion in the last 48 hours of a big body receiver running north of a four or five. We haven't seen a lot of early investment of that. You're seeing a wide, wide array of where he's coming off the board. It was very much top 10 early, shifted a little bit more towards the bottom. You'll see him fall in the twenties and some mocks, but, um, personally, you got to do that big that moves really well. It doesn't jump off on the tape that he's slow.

Sometimes, you know, because we get so locked into these 40 times and athletic testing, it's like this dude's pretty damn good in college. Um, we're, you know, where are you at with him now? I mean, you were seeing anywhere between four and thirty in mock drafts over the last month insane range Jeremiah has been 22 Kiper at 20 like I Don't think that my thing of 26 is as crazy in hindsight as it, you know once looked

I Mean, I think the 40 times fine. I just don't like him very much as a player. And he just is a big dude who doesn't separate, which is possible. You can win in other ways. It's just not something that I don't know. It just seems like something that I wouldn't draft in the top 10 and doesn't make sense to me in the top 10.

But now I've seen people be like, there's no way he falls past eight. I've seen some people say, you know, which again, I think that the, the, the, the, make sense to me in the top 10. But now I've seen people be like, there's no way he falls past eight. I've seen some people say, you know, which again, I think that the team's opinions of him will probably vary widely. And I would probably have him going somewhere in the teens. I don't know. I just one first off the four, the 40 time of the pro day didn't run at the combine now runs reported four, four, eight.

And then all the other people were saying, no, it was like no lower than 455. Like, you know, that was basically the other team said that, which at a pro day, again, is not, not, not that good. You know, it's like, it's like, usually I think maybe it was Larky or someone did the research on it. It's like, usually like a 0.5 0.05 difference between pro day and combine or whatever, because just the way they, you know, again, they can shift the field, you know, it's like measured the way it's 40 is

measured, you know, sometimes pretty suspect. Um, so I don't know, like does that even matter? I think to your point, probably not, but I'm definitely not going to have in my top 10 unless I see something that says like this team loves him in the top 10. Um, so I'm, I'm out on them. I don't know. I'm a Ted hater. Maybe it's like, I don't know, I feel like I'm, I'm planting a flag for not really much of a reason other than he's going really high and everyone's mocks and I don't just don't, I don't like him that much. Yeah, that's fair. I mean, look, there's confirmation in that based off of the wider range of mocks too, right? So I do think it's going to be team specific, but I

think this continues to be a theme here in the draft is you're going to start to see just a lot of variation all over the map. You know, you start to see some discrepancies in the position, you know, you've seen some receivers climb up ahead, whether it's, you know, golden more so has been kind of the one as a light that's been grabbing a little steam seem to be like maybe the tight end market was kind of collapsing a little bit Scott, but now it feels like pretty clearly in that markets will tell us this too.

That is definitely Tyler Warren over Colston Loveland in terms of we're looking at, you know, first tight end off the board. Draft Kings currently has Warren minus 550 to be the first tight end off the board Loveland three to one. That's reflected in your mock. I think Connor and I had the same, but it felt like it was kind of closer. Maybe it's part of it is just finding that second team in the top 20 or so that needs a tight end, especially now that the Broncos are a team that people were mocking tight end to.

They have addressed it with Evan Ingram. Any thoughts on Tyler Warren or Kostin Loveland? Yeah, I think Tyler Warren's very clearly gonna be the one the tight end one in his draft class I've seen some some other mock drafts out there with Warren going as high as seven to the Jets So that's kind of interesting, you know sitting there looking at it But it's like you kind of just address a little bit. I have a hard time really slotting Loveland into You know the bottom part of this first round.

You start looking at some of the teams that he would kind of fit in. The Chargers kind of make the most sense with a little bit of a Michigan connection. They have a need for a tight end. But when you start looking at it, you've got Green Bay, you've got Minnesota. They both have, you know, tight ends, you know, Houston, I think offensive line is definitely more of a pressing need for them. The Rams could possibly use a tight end. Baltimore's got good tight ends.

You know, Detroit road doesn't really need one. Washington just, you know, resigned Ertz and drafted a tight end last year. Buffalo, Kansas city, like all these teams down here at the bottom end of the bottom third of the first round, nobody really needs a tight end. So with tight end traditionally being a position that'll kind of slip outside of the first round, it's gonna be interesting really to do a little bit

more research to find out how teams feel on Loveland and see which teams are meeting with him to kind of figure out a better place for me to go ahead and slot him, you know, as far as matching him with the team and here in the first round. Yeah, it's a little tricky, Connor. Seattle would be a possibility. He needed offensive lineup so badly though, too, right? So it's like, you know, these are the things too, where you can just see, hey, you can see the bangles just, hey, we're going all in. Like we're gonna try to beat the shit out of you 50 to 45 every day, right? Let's just kind of our best opportunity, you know,

but like, Dave, you make a great point. You have to try to, you know, match that need. It would be surprising. We haven't seen him outside of, you know, the first round and it's slipping a little bit. You're seeing more high twenties than you were earlier because he was typically mid teens or so. But Connor, anything to add to this one?

I think it was McShay mentioned that the Jets are really interested in him. I mean, like or Tyler Warren, Tyler Warren, sorry, not Colton. So I think it is kind of a domino and like 14, there's kind of like that dead zone of teams where it's like, does that really make sense? You know, I don't really know. And yeah, I don't know. I just had, I like Scott, I have a hard time believing that Loveland would go before Warren. But you know, I think that that's, it matters because like, again, if, if, if Warren goes early, I think, I think Loveland probably follows, you know, maybe seven, six, seven picks after probably. Yeah, it's a tricky one, but that does feel like he's starting to separate and the market indicates that very, very much as well. A couple of secondary discussions I think are really interesting.

I think could be really team driven too. This is another one of these pieces of this draft, both at corner and its safety stylistically in terms of who these players are coming off the board first, whether it's, you know, Will Johnson, you know, at corner where you can definitely see, you know, the kid from Texas is definitely really excited as well. Jod Baron. And then safety, those two safeties are very different stylistically. It's felt like Malachi Starks is falling a little bit.

And then Jeremiah comes out and puts him at 13, which feels different and looks different comparatively to where we've seen him. We've seen him left out of first rounds. We've seen them to the very, very bottom, bottom five of some drafts coming off of, obviously a fantastic combine for the kid from South Carolina Emma Warre, who just, it the kid from South Carolina, Emma Warray, like who just kind of a freak, but very much a like in

the box, you know, cover one type, you know, basically faux linebacker, right? That's not for everyone stylistically. I'm interested to see how that kind of shakes out because I think there could be some I don't know, I think there's just some variants in the market, depending on where those guys go. Do you have any thoughts on that, Scott, in terms of corner safety in terms of the stylistic piece of of how those two the corners too like very much a You know, will Johnson very much. It wasn't asked to play man. So I don't want to say the can't play man

But very much was asked to play zone Where you see a little bit more from Baron at Texas? Yeah, this is one of the things that I kind of hit on every year is when it comes to secondary pieces, you really have to look at how they're going to match up with the teams and the defenses that are going to draft them. Not every cornerback is for every team, even if they run and test, you know, very similarly. And it's the same thing with these safeties. These safeties are two completely different pieces and not every team,

you're going to have some teams that run too high. You're going to have some teams that run too high. You're going to have some teams that run one high. And you really have to ask yourself, how many times do you see a safety make a huge impact? Usually I tend to rank safety down the board a bit as far as first round priorities and stuff like that. But like specifically with a man, a man worry he is going gonna have to go to a team

that is gonna value him being in the box and value specifically what he does. I tend to think as athletically as he tested, he still looks a little bit stiff at times. So it's gonna, you really have to look at depth charts when you're, if you're trying to get a man worried in the first round and link him specifically to a team and look at who the other safety is. Um,

I think he's going to be a more in the box safety, somebody that's, that's playing kind of similar to like what a Jeremy Chen did. Um, and that could possibly fit in Washington who lost Jeremy Chen. Um, you know, they've, they've, they signed Will Harris. Um, but you know, he, he's more of a debt piece. He's not going to play exact same style. So, you know, those are just some thoughts and some things that you have to look at when you're trying to play secondary pieces and matched them to teams within the first round or the draft. Yeah.

It gets hard. Uh, Connor, anything to add on, uh, safety cornerback discussion? Yeah. There's a market on Fandl right now. First defensive back drafted, not including Travis Hunter, which is kind of fun that they added that as well as first offensive lineman not drafted not including Abdul Carter. So they're trying to give other people a chance, which is cool and make it like a, you know, a real market right now. We're looking at Baron and Will Johnson, both

plus one 15 M and worry plus one 750 Malachi Starks plus 750. I think Will Johnson's a pretty solid play there. Cause again, I would just be surprised to see I'm in warrior Starks climb up there. So it's basically just Baron versus Johnson. And we'll get the mock draft right now. Like Baron on average is average is 20, Johnson's average is 13, Johnson's average is five to 24, Baron's average is, or Baron's average is 5 to 24, Barron's average is, or

Barron's range is 11 to 34. So I mean, feels like a pretty, probably should be like minus, I don't know, 130 Will Johnson and maybe plus 150-ish Barron at this point. I'm not sold on it, but I think that's kind of an interesting look right now, uh, based on kind of what we know. Uh, and I think you, it's got, you know, the 49ers or will Johnson, the 49ers, I think that's kind of an interesting fit. I don't know. Noonan you had, does that make sense? I had Aaron to the 49ers. You'd bear in the 49ers. Okay. Yup. Yup. So yeah, I don't hate it. Which is very interesting. We touched on it before the show. Uh, both, both of the Walter football guys, uh,

Walter and Charlie, uh, you know, there's obviously you look down, there's some succinct spots. They both have Will Johnson six to the Raiders, which is not nothing. And sometimes that's catches caught our eyes to see if there's something there. It is definitely driving. I think the average Will Johnson spot to also one of them, I believe, left Baron Walter left Baron out of his first round, which is very strange considering he's, you know, 11 to the Niners on Jeremiah's mock yesterday as well.

So a line with Jeremiah is a good spot. He actually had Baron ahead of Will Johnson. Kiper had them flip-flopped, Um, but you know, Baron go in a little bit later, but um, Yeah, I mean, I think they're both really good. I think Will Johnson had a down year But I think some of that Michigan defense overall had a down year But again, like I think, you know, they're both really talented. They're both going in the first round But I like the fan rules giving us Those different markets so that we can still kind of bet into some of these spots where there's a clear

one of the positions to kind of make it a little bit interesting. So it's interesting. I do think Johnson or Baron are the way to go there. Again, Starks is an outlier with what with what Jeremiah did yesterday in his mock having him 13. So it does feel like a, you know, who takes the first corner, um, situation. So definitely interesting, interesting market to take a look. And Walter and Charlie too are like generally very plugged in with the Raiders.

I think like, I don't know if they've gotten it right every year, but it's been like directionally correct. Um, pretty frequently for the Raiders. Um, so it's definitely worth noting that they both have them there and they both have Gentie at 12, I believe as well. So I don't know. Interesting. Curious what's going on there behind the scenes. So yeah, definitely something to take a look at. One of the guys that's been flying up draft boards, not super surprising. Jahad Campbell. We have a lot of these guys in this draft where they're maybe spent some time at off ball linebacker. Maybe they project a little bit more moving forward to be edge rushers. I think you see that with the two Georgia

prospects as well in the top. We've seen this, you know, kind of changing in years past. I'm excited to see Campbell. Campbell going nine to Jeremiah is really, really interesting. Again, guys spent a lot of time in the 20s and high teens, but you see these massive shifts from Jeremiah, from previous mocks into new ones. I think should get our attention in terms of when we're starting to like look at over-unders on these guys.

Feels like there's some information there on Jeremiah's side when we see those, those drastic shifts. One of those guys that I just mentioned was from Michael Williams from Georgia, who I haven't seen him as low as you have him, Scott. Was that like a just, he kind of fell and you knew you needed him in the first round situation? Again, not critiquing the mock draft thing is so hard

The Williams, you know anywhere from you know eight Kyber Adam at 10 Jeremiah animal the way down to 28 young prospects played hurt last year Definitely like more of a shirts and t-shirt guy than even you know, Jane Lee Walker who you tested better as well Any thoughts on uh, On Walker or Williams there from Georgia Yeah, just when it comes to to Williams, um I've heard You know through some research i've done that just some rumblings that he didn't perform quite as well when they start digging into

Some of the film and stuff that you know They they're not as excited excited with some of his bursts and some of the other things. And I'm hearing that he's kind of falling down draft boards right now. Um, I, you know, that that's a little bit reflective with, with Jeremiah, but he's also not a scheme fit for every single team as well. So you have to look at, you know, how's he going to hold up against the run in some circumstances for teams that want to play, you know, three, four versus four three. Um, and that's more of the situation.

I think I slotted them there with Philadelphia kind of replacing Brandon Graham where, you know, look, Philadelphia has drafted a lot of Georgia players over the last few years and they tend to go ahead and use players as far as their pass Russian rotation. So I kind of thought he'd be a decent fit there and, and, there. And I didn't want to slot him outside of the first round. And I thought it was a decent fit if he does slide. I think specifically when we start talking about edge, there's a lot of edge rushers here in the first round.

I think that's one of the more depth pieces of the draft. And you're going to have teams like Cincinnati who's probably going to end up losing, you know, Trey Henderson via trade after signing both of the wide receivers. There's going to be some teams and I think there's going to be a lot of teams that are looking for edge and you have to kind of start piecing together who fits and how they fit within the schemes of defense. So I think Mikael just ends up sliding a little bit for me in comparison to some of these other guys that I had in the first round. Yeah, he's really interesting.

I mean, you know, definitely play it hurt. I mean, he's 20 years old. Um, it was mixing in and play a really good ball at 18, um, you in the sec and that's, I think that typically translates pretty well, but I mean, um, maybe it's definitely something to that. Cause I don't think the tape is as good as maybe his peers and in a spot where, to your point, it is a loaded edge class. Um, you have some off the field question marks with a couple of them too. And,

you know, and how teams navigate that is going to be impactful as well. But again, it just adds to the point of the top guys, like just so much variance in terms of where some of these guys can go. Like I would not be shocked for um Michael Williams to be a top 10 pick. Um it sounds like you know he very much could be edge eight uh on someone's board. I mean they're like a legit 10 um defensive lineman at least that could go in the first round here depending on how you classify some of these off ball linebackers and edge rushers and stuff like that is is crazy. Um any thoughts Scott on a couple of the off the field stuff

issues that we touched on last time? Some questions and concerns with Mike Green, Autumn Marshall, some not great rumors there. Same thing with James Pierce out of Tennessee who also I think has some pretty good tape. But if there's like transferring from schools and got in trouble and you got in trouble in a new school, some of these things are gonna be problematic for some teams. Like these dudes will be high on some boards and not on some boards at all. Yeah, I think as far as green, you had green who kinda like was trending very up like into the top like 10 to 12.

I think a lot of teams like Tim and I think some of the off the field concerns have kinda like slotted him kinda back maybe 10 picks into the 20th range. Pierce is the one that I think most teams from what I understand had the most concerns about and could find himself as being a player that could drop outside of the first round. I think from a talent standpoint and even from what he put up at the combine, I think he is first round worthy as far as being a talent. But you really have to dig into what the off field concerns are and how teams are gonna navigate that is completely different from team to team. You have some teams that are building a culture and don't want that type of player. And then you have some teams that think that their culture can go ahead and

bring a player like that into the fold and have it work out and, and support him with a good environment and good teammates around him. So it's, it's all different, you know, whenever you have that. I tend to push players that have that type of concern down, maybe like 5 picks, but it's just one of those things where you don't know how teams are going to react. So you really have to go ahead and project the talent rather than, you know, how a team's going to react to the possible all field concerns. Now, granted, if it's, you know, pending litigation and pending legal concerns that, you know, that will drop players down out of the first round and whatnot. But, you know, some of the stuff that goes on in college and transfers and stuff that's already

put behind them, teams will navigate completely differently team to team. Yeah, it's tricky. It means to see Pierce, you know, sliding, not even in Jeremiah's first round now, Kiper Adam down at 28. You see some other ones that have come out in the last couple of weeks. He is off the board there as well. So again, both again, well reference Charlie and Walter, Walter football, both have Mike Green and Matthew Golden out of their first round, which is again, kind of unique

there as well. Anything else that's caught your eye here in the last week or two since we last spoke on it, you want to touch on maybe moving up, moving down anything in the, I guess, middle to the end of the first round. So Jahad Campbell got surgery, um, today, or like is got labrum surgery after the combine, which I mean, I'm sure Jeremiah knew about it was just clarified today, but I don't know. I thought that was kind of interesting. I'm curious to see how that impacts mocks going forward, just the labrum surgery. So there's not like a ton of, you know, shoulder labrum surgery too. So it's not a ton of concern long-term, but I don't know.

I mean, definitely not something you want if you're picking someone in the top 10 to be recovering from surgery in the off season. I don't know if you touched on Shemar Stewart. No, I mean, Combine Darling seemed to be flying at Mocs since last time that you've seen a little bit of like stalling out there too. Yeah, 32nd and Jeremiah's Moc I mean that's just wild. His range is 7 to 32 on VR's mock.

Again, more of just like one of the craziest like, I don't know, this is some of the craziest you know ranges that I can remember for a lot of these guys here. There's a lot of tough guys to slot in. I don't know. It's, it's, there could be some wild, I mean, we already see at the end of the first round, some really interesting picks that no one's expecting. You know, like I think we saw, what was it? Ricky Pierce all last year snuck into the first round that he was like, I don't know, maybe at mid second round pick, most people thought, um, they, they really get, I think that they traded up for him, right?

The last pick of the first round. I mean, first off, terrible, terrible pick. Thank God we got a, you know, eager over there helping them out. Um, I mean, it was a, that was a bad pick from day one. So, um, but yeah, like my point is that Coober de Jean not going in the first round, which busted a lot of my first round parlay action, just again, awful at the time, egregious now that we know what a dog Cooper Jean is. So like just insane. It's our, our ball knowing takes where, you know, I know betters. Uh,

we're actually much more, much better than our draft betting. I know betters because, uh, our draft setting I KBs did not turn out as great as the ball knowing ones. Uh, but yeah, like my point is like, what, I mean, what guy in like the forties is going to be a first round pick? Like that's what, you know, it's going to be wild because that's going to be someone where when we get the, to be a first round pick market,

I'm interested to see how they price it because I have a feeling that they're going to screw us, but there could, there could be some really interesting down, the, you know, board long shots. Um, just because again, there's like so much uncertainty after the first, like, I don't know, six, seven picks basically. Yeah. Hopefully, which we won't get, but like theoretically getting a yes, no market on some of these would be wild too, because you could see such a range for, for some of these dudes. I mean,

almost play that self out and like an over under, but yeah, to your point, like I think what's the number now we touched on it last time we met, we've seen 57 guys mocked in the first round in some way, shape or form in the industry over the last month. 57. That is, that's wild, right? There's only a couple of those have been like one or two, right? You see most of these guys in a handful of mocks. So it's just really, really tough. You've seen some of the post combine bumps like a corner with Maxwell Hairston from Kentucky. You've seen more of the Thomas kid for Florida State. Both those guys were in a Kuiper and Jeremiah's mock after really not being in much of any of them. So you just kind of what happens where, you know,

you think you have an understanding, but this year, I feel like we were all understanding there's a little bit more variance than, uh, than normal. So, um, Donovan as a rookie, the kid from BC is also climbing. Um, has he gone from like not any mocks and then you see Jeremiah's at 19, right? That's, that's alarming. You hear a lot of good things about, you know, character, right? From him too. Right? So if you're trying to make this decision between as a rookie and peers at at the same position, you don't think the game film is significantly different. You got a guy who

People love as a leader stay to BC, even though he could transfer probably anywhere You know kind of galvanize that team in the locker room and then you know Who knows what's going on with the other guys those things get pretty interesting you having to make those decisions at the end. So Those things get pretty interesting. You have to make those decisions at the end. So, Scotty, any other sharing notes that you have? Maybe anything you've heard or anything else back in your mock that you want to give to us before we take off?

Yeah, two players, both from Ole Miss that I think that you really have to start looking at. And look, we talked about it last year with Bo Nix, and a lot of people didn't think Bo Nix was a first-round quarterback. I think Jackson Dart is that player this year that either sneaks into the first round or kind of shakes up some things. But the one player that I'm kind of looking at, I track visits from the senior

bowl and before some of the other bowls and stuff all through the combine. And the one player when we start talking about somebody who can sneak into the first round that's getting a lot of buzz and a lot of teams are doing their due diligence on is the cornerback at Ole Miss, Trey Amos. He's been all over the place at Maxwell Harrison out of Kentucky. He's kind of the other cornerback along with Azaria Thompson. I mean, Thomas from Florida State, but specifically Amos has been one of the players that's met with more teams than

Any other players throughout the combine top 30 and and whatnot? So I think there's a lot of buzz on him I think a lot of teams are doing their due diligence and you know along with Donovan is a rookie That as far as a couple of players that can slide in right there the last like five picks in the first round So those are come some of the guys that I would keep an eye on. But when it comes to Jackson Dart, you've got the Giants, you've got Pittsburgh, you've got the Browns, you've got some of these teams that just have an unsettled quarterback situation

and somebody is going to find themselves as the odd team out. And I think you're going to have to address a young player like Jackson Dart, who has fans in some circles and he has some detractors and others. So it's not a clean evaluation. Um, but the same way that Bo Nicks didn't fit everybody's, you know, picks and, and, and schemes and stuff. He very much fit, you know, what Sean Payton wanted to do in Denver.

I think you're going to have the same type of situation there with Jackson Dart. And, you know, I think he'll find himself, you know, trending close to the first round, but I think you still have to have somebody who's better in quarterback shake out and find themselves to teams before you can start feeling good about where to project them. Yeah, it's interesting call out for sure. I mean, yeah, Jackson Dart very much not in the mix for a while. And now, you know, Kuiper's got him at nine. So that speaks to the you know, just wild part of this process. He did have Amos 26 to Jeremiah and his latest mocks. So one thing that kind of sticks out to me, we're looking at the last few mock drafts

that have come through. It's not necessarily the player, but like you've seen, Staten is a Seattle guy who's typically dialed in. He's got cornerback Harrison going 26 to the Rams. Kuiper's got Thomas corner out of floor, stay going 26 to the Rams. Jeremiah has Amos corner going 26 to the Rams. Walter and Charlie have a corner going 26 to the Rams. Jeremiah has Amos corner going 26 to the Rams. Walter and Charlie have a corner going 26

to the Rams. Rams currently right now plus 220 to draft a corner first. It's been a problem for them for a very long time. I think they had like 25 million invested defensively, 25 million less than the next closest team. Like they need to start, um, you know, they, they've poured a lot into the, uh, defensive front in the draft in the last couple of years. They need to start investing a little bit more into the secondary. And, uh, that would make a lot of sense. And we're starting to see that thread link through mocks that have come through lately. So these are the little things that we need to be picking up on now to

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