Move The Line - 2025 NFL Free Agency Madness!

Episode Date: March 13, 2025

We breakdown everything that happened during the first couple days of NFL Free Agency, including all the running backs that changed teams and a couple wild trades! How did all of these changes affect the NFL landscape? How does that affect how we are betting the NFL Draft? Find out here! Subscribe to 4for4's Betting Package 👉🏼  https://www.4for4.com/plans Sign-up on FanDuel Today 👉🏼 https://www.4for4.com/go/fanduel Follow 4for4 on Twitter 👉🏼    / 4for4football  Follow 4for4 Bets on Twitter 👉🏼    / 4for4bets  Follow Move the Line on Twitter 👉🏼    / movethelinenfl   Follow Connor on Twitter 👉🏼  https://x.com/ConnorAllenNFLFollow Anthony on Twitter 👉🏼  https://x.com/amicsta Visit our Website 👉🏼  https://www.4for4.com/Join our Discord 👉🏼    / discord  Subscribe to our YouTube Channel 👉🏼  https://4for4.co/3OupraJ 4for4 Betting Strategy Hub 👉🏼  https://4for4.co/3hm39cw4for4 Betting Picks 👉🏼  https://4for4.co/3LUp0Ea NFL Betting Odds & Predictions 👉🏼 https://4for4.co/3nsW9QU 

What's up and welcome to move the line draft edition noon is on his annual golf trip right now so I'll be filling in for him as the host. We got a special guest today another fellow draft grinder Anthony Mico from established Ron Mico. How is early going in draft season treated you so far? It's awesome, dude. I mean, we have no real good information and I feel like that means the last like three weeks are going to be a real sprint. So I kind of prefer it that way. So I feel good about it. Yeah, I felt like last year, I took some pretty big positions early, you know, felt like I was getting ahead of the market and turns out I was just getting behind it. So, you know,

didn't end up working out all that well, but you know, excited to refine the process, you know, it didn't end up working out all that well, but, you know, excited to refine the process, you know, trust, trust some different individuals, this go around and I think it's going to be, it's going to be solid. I feel like you and I have, you know, won a lot together, lost a lot together, you know, and, you know, thankfully in the positive, I think overall here, well, well in the positive, but, you know, excited to break it down for 2025. 100%. So, yeah. So today, we're going to go over our latest draft takes, how, uh, you know, excited to break it down for 2025. 100%. So, yeah. So today, uh, we're going to go over our latest draft takes, how free agency

may have been a signal for what teams will do in the draft. Maybe it's not at all. And so I'm excited to kind of pick your brain because I haven't really talked with anyone about a lot of this stuff and like, I, you know, I'm arguing with plenty of people in our draft group chats or like, you know, online about how certain moves could mean different things for different teams. So excited to dive into that today. But before we dive in, if you want all of my NFL draft bets for four,

you can get 10% off all the four for betting subscription with code win 10 W I N number 10. That includes Jake's NBA picks up 60 units right now. So far on the season and his golf plays so far, in addition to Scott Smith's UFC MMA plays, plenty of going on in the off season at four per four. Scott Noonan will probably be back next week for our weekly show here as well. But I think no better place to start it

than with the Titans. I think you took an early position on Abdul Carter to go number one. So far we have them signing Kevin Ziegler, Draymond Jones, Dan Moore, Sebastian Joseph Day. Like I'd love to hear your thoughts on where the Titans go with this pick between taking their quarterback in the future, trading the pick, or staying and probably picking a dual Carter. Yeah, it's, it's pretty tough. I mean, I think that they've been really

tight-lipped about this. I think that they're growing about this, you know, the way that you would want. If I was like a fan of the Titans, I'd be pumped about what they're doing because they seem smart. You know, they haven't really tipped their hand much at all here. I think Bargonzi is a smart guy, obviously from a really good organization and the Chiefs. And you know, in 2013, they stuck and picket won and took a tackle. I think that his history or the history of these sharp guys, like they definitely like to build up in the trenches. He's mentioned that in press conferences.

So it really just comes down to, I think, does he buy Cam Ward? And that's the thing that we don't know. So they have expressed an interest to move back. I feel like that is kind of like a light note that they don't want a quarterback. But we've seen in the past, obviously, like Chicago was sniffing around before they found that trade, but the Panthers,

and maybe if they don't find that trade, they don't trade and they take a quarterback, like it's kind of hard to know exactly, I guess. So I'm kind of leaning towards, you know, trade out or, or no QB, but I'm open to what you think. And I, I mean, I'm definitely not feeling like stronger than 55 or 60% on any, in any direction. Yeah.

And I mean, shout out to you. I think you got what? 50 to 160 to one of dual Carter to go first. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I out to you. I think you got what 50 to 160 to one of them dual Carter to go first. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I mean, it's just one of those things where like the markets, you know, are like always hammering the quarterbacks. And so I think it was just kind of like a dead period.

It was just a good timing. No, totally. And yeah, I mean, you're way out of the market right now. We're looking at cam ward, I think minus, you know, anywhere from minus 200 to minus 300 to go first overall. This market is obviously very, very fluid. Like one piece of news can shift this dramatically one way or the other. I think one of the biggest pieces of news that shifted it initially was the

Titans coming out. I think it was one of the press conferences saying like, we wouldn't pass on a generational player. And you know, that 10, you know, I think most people's minds went to either a Travis Hunter and a Bill Carter, not a cam ward or shooter Sanders, just based on how everyone looks at these prospects. So yeah, I like the position that you're at right now with, with this team. I'm, I'm honestly not sure. I think that they are now considering it more because based on how in the free

agency, like they're just adding a bunch of the offensive line, like. I don't, I don't know. Like I think it's, it's kind of like a wild card here. Like I think the cam ward is more in play now than I thought he was originally, like maybe a week or two ago. Um, but I'm still not sold either way. I think that they could easily trade out. And I think one of those things that would trade out with them would be the giants. So the giants, depending on how the Rogers sweep six goes here in a

minute, like I think that's a big domino because if the giants don't get Rogers, like they're in full desperation mode, Joe Joe Shane is this is his last hurrah. This is just Brian Dable's last hurrah. Like it's it's all or nothing in my mind I don't know. Do you have any thoughts on the Giants where if they if they do land Rogers What what do they do at three? They don't land Rogers. Like what's their their decision point there? I Think if they land Rogers, they're like almost certainly taking Travis Hunter at three. I'm like Like you said their backs are against the wall. I feel like they have to keep this job. If they have the quarterback that's going to start for this year, then they're going to look to add a piece that's going to help them this year and they can

maybe add a quarterback on day two that they view as like a longer term project or trade back up for a quarterback to be that guy, like rookie quarterbacks. Don't save your job. I just, you know, those guys don't win games. You know, we just saw what the Bears, like they drafted Caleb, who's like consensus, one of the best guys we've had. And you know, his coach got canned immediately.

So like, that's kind of how it goes. Like I'm not even sure that like trading up for Cam Ward, if they don't get Rogers, makes sense for them. Just because like, like I almost feel like they should't get Rogers makes sense for them just because like like I almost feel like they should be looking for the Cousins or the you know whatever like some other guy that you know can come in and and win games so yeah I mean I think if they get Rogers I'm like positive they're not going to take one I feel like because DJ is kind of like hinted towards that and it's just like I don't know dude like you're going to sign Rogers like all quarterbacks.

You're going to sign Aaron Rogers and then draft the quarterback at three. Like he's gonna freaking kill you. No, I agree with that for sure. It's it is a tough decision, but it feels like the last few times we've seen this kind of dynamic where their backs against a team's GM and head coach backs against the wall. It almost always seems to backfire because if they get Rogers and it goes poorly, like they're going to get fired. And then the team is kind of a disarray. Like it's not a great job at that point because they just got to fix a lot of

other issues. And then if they trade up for cam ward, hypothetically, you know, if they don't get Rogers, I mean, whoever comes in after them, it probably won't go well. Like whoever comes in after them now is stuck with a quarterback that they traded up for, traded away future picks for. So either way, I'm not generally a fan of that like team building philosophy of like, oh yeah, don't worry, we'll give them one more year

to prove themselves. Like that's just a disaster. Like that's, I think one of the worst decisions you can make. So the Giants, I do agree though. If they do get Rogers, they take Travis Hunter, then I mean, I don't know, are they gonna be good? No, but like, could they be interesting in some games? Maybe. I don't know. It depends on Rogers plays. So I don't know. We'll see.

Maybe I don't want to commit to that yet. Yeah. The other thing I was going to say, just to go back to the Titans, is they signed Brandon Allen today. Oh, okay. Yeah. And I'm like, back to the Titans, they signed Brandon Allen today. Oh, okay, yeah. And I'm like, okay. Like last year we saw like, you know, the commander's got Mariota, the Patriots got Chikobi Burset. Like I felt like that was like very clear

what those teams were doing when they made those moves. Brandon Allen is like, I don't know. I mean, I assume he's like the third quarterback there. Like it doesn't, I'm not sure if that's like support of Levis or like support of, you know, maybe we'll be in the cousins sweepstakes or if it's just like, we want to add a body, we're going to dump Levis for, for 50 cents on the dollar and then we're going to draft game ward. So. Yeah, it is. It is pretty interesting. It's how much was the deal for? I,

I, I missed the guaranteed numbers. I didn't see the numbers on it. I just saw that they got them. That's the interesting thing because we were going into that with the whole Joe Milton signing of Josh Dobbs for like 3.8 million guaranteed and all that stuff. It forced me to take a deep dive into what do these numbers actually mean in terms of like relative to the rest of the league of how much we're playing back paying backups, how much they're paying third stringers. It doesn't look like there's any numbers for Brandon Allen yet, but that,

I mean, it could be telling. I just, I struggle with like teams like them and then the Browns to some extent of like, yeah, well, are you, I mean, are you really going to like run it back for a year with like some guy that you just said has no chance of succeeding, like straight up no chance? Uh, that's kind of what I struggle with. Like I feel you at least make some maybe veteran move or some random acquisition or take a quarterback in like the middle rounds. I mean, that's the other option too, is you take a Tyler Shug or Jackson Dart or something like that. If he gets there, you know, something like that. And you just need a little bit of hope somewhere, right?

Yeah. I mean, I don't even know who's, who's butt is on the line. Can I curse on this show? Like, yeah, you can do, yeah, you can say whatever. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Like I don't know who his ass is on the line in, in, in Cleveland, because it's like, I feel like the owner has like driven all of this, but also is the kind of guy to be like, nah, this is your fault. So it's, you know, they're in a tough spot. They, they traded for Kenny Pickett. It sounds like they all of this, but also is the kind of guy to be like, nah, this is your fault. So it's, you know, they're in a tough spot.

They traded for Kenny Pickett. It sounds like they told Pickett, he's going to have a chance to compete, to be the starter. I mean, they can tell him that and then draft the quarterback and it doesn't really matter. So, you know, I, when I look at their room, I mean, Watson, I just assume is not going to play. He's just, he's toast. Yeah, he's gone. They have Pick it. They'll draft the quarterback, I guess it too. I mean, of all the teams, we talk about the possibility that Kim Ward goes one like of all the teams that are picking like in the top 10, that would seem the most comfortable with Chaudhuri. It seems like that would be Cleveland. I mean the OC is like buddies with Deion

You know picket is kind of a similar player to Sanders, so I Feel like they may be setting the table for him now I don't know if that means that they're really comfortable that ward is gonna go one or like if they would prefer Sanders over Ward like I Everything is on the table for Cleveland because I mean, they kept Miles Garrett. So I guess like the Carter angle is kind of like not as strong. I do know that Andrew Berry said that he views Travis Hunter more as a wide receiver. So I think that that is indicative that they could have some interest because they definitely have a need there. But it feels like

the quarterback is kind of the way that people are leading. Yeah, I think in here following the breadcrumbs of the people that we trust in terms of publicly available sources, the initial stuff coming out of Cleveland was, I believe, from Todd McShay saying, I don't think they're going to take quarterback. And then Schefter comes in and says, they're absolutely taking quarterback. And then now he's starting to walk it back like last week and he's like, well, I don't know actually anymore. Like, maybe they won't take quarterback. And to be fair, Schefter's comments were never like, because they told me it was like, because they have to that was the phrase that he said. They have no money. They have no money. So it's like, unless, unless

the Falcons cut her cousins and they can sign for the minimum, like there's no other way that they get a quarterback on their roster. Yeah. Like, yeah, they're, they're toast. Um, and so again, it's like, I feel like their roster is not that bad overall. I mean, they, they have a couple of decent players and I mean, are they a quarterback away? Maybe not, but like, I don't think Kenny Pickett really gives them, gives them a chance, much of a chance here either. So like, again, I, I, I hate to be like, oh, this team is going to draft this guy because they have to because I feel like that's kind of weak and like most teams I mean, ideally go with like best player available no matter the position.

But yeah, I mean, is Andrew Barry's back against the wall like they need a quarterback. They're just they're in a really, really tough spot and you can't really win. I. I mean they can't win that division I don't think without like any semblance of reasonable quarterback play at this point. Definitely. Yeah so I think that that's kind of an interesting top three there. The fourth team that I think is interesting here the Patriots. So the Patriots had kind of an interesting dynamic. Stacked their defensive line with you know added Bill Williams, added Harold Landry, Robert Splaneaine also a big sign anything with Carlton Davis another corner you know hypothetically if Cheddar Sanders cam ward and Abdu Carter go one two three in some order that leaves Travis Hunter on the board I think initially entering free entry free agency I thought well that can make a ton of sense like put

him at you know corner and then give them some wide receiver packages. The Patriots need both those still. And it would make sense. Like, do you think that any of their signings are indicative of maybe focusing more on the offensive line at four instead of corner or slash whatever Travis Hunter is? Or where's your head at after free agency? I think that they have a clear and obvious need on the offensive line. They've talked about that. I mean, I don't think that they're done making moves there, whether it's, you know, trades free agency, more draft picks, like they have to invest more in that group.

So, but I think that they're flexible still, you know, like I think that if two quarterbacks were to go in the top three and it was Hunter versus OT one, then I'm kind of like, I don't know, like you still don't really have a go-to weapon for Drake may. So like you probably still take Hunter, but if only one quarterback goes and Hunter and Carter are drawn, then I think it's like Memboo, uh, Will Campbell, you know, one of those guys to, to solidify up front.

Yeah, I kind of agree. Like the more I was looking at it, I was like, it's tough. Like, you know, passing on Travis Hunter is something that you could definitely regret, but also not having an offensive line is just going to be another, you're paying for Drake Maine. You're putting a guy who I think flashed some potential last year in serious harms way. Um, but he also still has no weapons. Like it's with that, you know, age old argument of just like he's, he's thrown into a bunch of bums. Um, but he also still has no weapons. Like it's with that, you know, age old argument of just like he's,

he's thrown into a bunch of bums. Uh, and I don't really know, like there's been talk of signing Cooper cup. Like, I mean, they have like four guys on the roster who like do what Cooper cup did well at one point, like in some sense, I mean, not obviously the extent, but like they have a lot of guys who kind of get open in like shorts, intermediate spaces sometimes like, and I don't know what's better Cooper cup is right now. So I dunno, like, I guess that's the path forward maybe if they sign Cooper cup,

but I'm not all that confident to be honest. I don't know. And I don't think Mac Collins as like your ex receiver is the movie that either. Yeah, right. Like, and that's funny cause they didn't even have like a true ex before. Like, it was just like, I dunno, a bunch of guys who like, we could play flanker. Like it was like six flankers That's what they they had and then like Ty Kwan Thornton running deep like that was like their entire office is so bad

Anyways Jags, I think are an interesting team to lost lost Christian Kirk lost Evan Ingram I had a line like basically penciled in here because of the new GM's like Gladstone's comments kind of basically saying like we need to Solidify the interior. I think you could have picked defensive line as well. You know, that you talked about the trenches a bunch, which in my mind, again, they need help in the trenches. That makes sense. But now I mean, do they take a wide receiver? Do they take Tyler Warren? Like are they just not because they've also talked about like trying to, you know, surround Trevor Lawrence with talent. So I think that there's like three to four different ways that they could go at this point. Yeah. And they've invested a lot in the trenches already and free agency. I guess you could

debate like the value of some of the guys, like are they deaf pieces or are they players that Jacksonville intends to start. Um, but phew very professional sneeze on here um, but like if you're getting these pieces, I think you're at least enhancing your flexibility. So you know, I don't want to

sleep on Warren. I don't want to sleep on the tight ends at all because I think that like those are like top 6, top 8, top ten guys from a lot of really sharp people and once you get past. Carter and hunter it's kind of. Very flat so like I wouldn't shock me if they did that now like Brenton strange was I thought good for them last year that That doesn't mean that we can't do better. So um, you know, I definitely think the tight end is in play. I'm with you. Like, I definitely I was like all over the O line thing. But then I see all the

moves and I'm like, okay, maybe, you know, maybe not. Um, they're gonna have a chance at at a I keep on a calm kind of Mason Graham. Yeah. who is again, like a consensus top guy. So like, they're going to have a ton of options too. I feel like, like everything we say about the draft right now is like. They could do ABCDE and it's like, we just don't really have any clarity. I don't think that free agency clears up a lot of things for these top teams,

just because the teams are so bad. I don't think that free agency clears up a lot of things for these top teams just because the teams are so bad So it's like, you know, what does it tell you that Jacksonville signed? You know two guards and it's like it tells me that they're off as a line stunk last year and they're desperate You know, like it doesn't really tell me what they're gonna do necessarily with their fifth overall draft pick So I think that's the tough part about this Yeah, no 100% I feel like that makes a ton of sense. Um, you spoke of Mason Graham there. Um, we bet, uh, you know, our buddy Dane over here, um, about that he's going to go in the top 10.

I think it was what minus one, one 50, something like that. I mean, what, so what do you think that opens that? Like, what do you, what do you think that opens out? Like when it opens on sports books? I have an opinion on this too. Like we're what, what do you think that opens at? What do you think that opens at when it opens on sportsbooks? I have an opinion on this too. What would you price that at a sportsbook right now? Minus 900? I mean, it's a one-way market, so it's going to be juicier, but yeah, I don't know. I feel like those, the guys who are in the top 10 of every mock draft, like you either don't get a number or it's like a really high number. So I don't know. I mean, we're not going to get a yes, no on it.

So it's not like I'm going to hedge my bet or anything, but it's like, I don't know. I just feel like, I just feel like that's a great price. Yeah. I think Dan just got a little over his skis there. I don't know. Maybe, you know, interested in some action some action. Looking at Vegas refunds sheet, there's like, I mean, three or four mock drafts out of the, I don't know, 30 or 40 that he has in the last two weeks

that don't have him in the top 10. Yeah, I mean, I feel pretty good about that. I feel like 80, 90%. There's a lot of fits for him. I think starting at five makes a ton of sense. Five makes sense. Seven, nine, 10. I don't know. There's a lot of different outs for him to go in the top 10. You always need big people in football. You always need big people. I love it. I love it. Raiders, this was an interesting conversation. So trade a third for Gino. Does that take them out of the Shader

Sanders sweep six? Uh, like it's six say, hypothetically just doesn't go to the Browns. For some reason, the giants don't want him. Would they consider taking him at six? Are they going to go in the middle rounds? I initially argued yes, that I thought that they were that they would go consider like consider still going to Shader with a couple of the ties there. But a third round is pretty rich to invest in a quarterback and still take a rookie in the first. I don't know. Any, any thoughts? It's not a hard no for me, but it's a probably not just because like you said, it's a round through pick. I don't think that they've extended them yet, but it sounds like they're going to at like a pretty high price, like 45 million a year type deal. Um, so at that number, I mean, if you draft a quarterback,

he's not gonna play for like two years anyway. Like at that point, I feel like it's not worth it. I know that Brady has been big on like, you draft the quarterback, he sits, he watches, but I feel like if you're gonna do that, just do it with like a third round guy next year or something, like you don't have to dump the sixth overall, pick into it.

This is like, this is where the Genties sweepstakes starts, right? I mean, like, what does this team need, right? Like they have sincere McCormick at running back, like it's a clear and obvious need. They have decent players, honestly, on both sides of the line. Like the offensive line isn't amazing, but they have like three out of five guys on rookie deals. So they don't have like a, a huge need. I feel like in those spots, um, the defense still has max Crosby, like they're pretty solid. So yeah, like, I don't know, like I, every time I looked at the Raiders, I'm like, gently,

gently, gently, like there's other things they could do obviously, but like, that just feels like the move for them. I agree. That's what I had my mock draft. I was looking at yours, you know, hip fire mock that you tweeted out yesterday. I believe that's what you had as well. It's it's one of those things where you have also a Pete Carroll head coach. He's obviously there when they were just taking random running backs way too high.

Like, is Rashad Penny 2020 something 20 liketh and I think he was projected to be like a mid second late second round pick. Yeah. Um, and Pete's and Pete's like 100 like he's not, he's not here to mentor a quarterback. He's here to win some games. Totally. Yeah. Now I totally agree there. Um, I also thought that it was interesting how like Chip Kelly kind of reinvented himself a little bit, uh, recently, like was very fine playing slow, just like running the ball. Like it's, it's kind of cool. All these coaches just like changed throughout their careers.

And I thought that was pretty interesting. So yeah, Gentie there makes a ton of sense. Like, I mean, the thing there to me is that like, for these teams that are like disasters, there's, we always talk about like the ultimate goal of SuperRoll, SuperRoll, SuperRoll. It's like, we're always talking about rings, but like for a team like the ultimate goal of Super Bowl, Super Bowl, Super Bowls, like we're always talking about rings.

But like for a team like the Raiders, there's a proof of concept here of like, can we prove that we're competent? You know, and you get Gino, you get Gentie, you have like a very veteran, very good coaching staff. Like you win eight games for a couple years, like all of a sudden you're back in the mix. Like you're not gonna go win the Superbowl with this group probably, but you're gonna at least establish that like,

you can come here and your career is not gonna be a disaster. Yep, no for sure. And then we have a money Mitch commenting, come on the Raheem Moster disrespect. They signed Raheem Moster today. If Raheem Moster stopped you from drafting, yeah, if Raheem Moster stopped you from drafting Ash and Gentie then that's a problem. the Yeah, I think Gentie starts there at six. We can stay on Gentie though if you want. If he doesn't go to the Raiders and I don't know, maybe they love a defensive lineman

or someone else a corner. I don't know. Just hypothetically, they like someone else. Where do you think where else do you think you would go? Is it I mean, your team and your team, the Bears, Chicago Bears? Yeah, I mean, you want to talk about investing in the line. I mean, I love I love what they've done. I'm like the furthest thing from a polls guy, but like Ben Johnson has come in and been like

This shit sucks. Like we are fixing this right now, you know, like Identity built the offensive line. I mean, I know we kind of Matt Miller's like hit or miss on a lot of things but he was was like, you can kind of take O line out, which seems fair. I mean, they put a lot of money into those middle three in the last two weeks. Um, you know, the right tackle is a first round pick Braxton Jones. It sounds like they're not like out on really. So, um, you know, the only thing they're missing is the guy to jam at home. So I definitely think that running backs and play for them.

Yeah. I think from my understanding, they really like Braxton Jones just because he's, I mean, he was like a fifth round pick, very cheap. Like he's playing, I mean, he's not awesome, but he's like playing like league average, you know, maybe around there. He's value. Yeah, like that's a, it's a big value.

It's like a good team building aspect here. So drafting, I mean, interior, a guy who drafting the interior is like off the table. So like a guy like maybe he was on the border, maybe like a will, you know, like I don't think we'll Campbell's on, on the table anymore at this point because of that arm thing. Maybe, I mean, and you know, poles, the guys that poles drafts, they're like, I don't know, random traitsy guys like darn all right, you know, it's just like analytics,

analytics, the arrows. Exactly. Yeah. Um, so yeah, I think genti is very much in play there. Now, if they don't go that way, like where do they go? I mean, it's Tyler Warren in play. Would they consider drafting Colston Loveland? I mean, this is, this is a hundred percent, the bears are a hundred percent true BPA, I think like true by the grades. It'll be genti. It'll be one of the tight ends. Like, I mean, you look at everything that happened in Detroit and it already feels like Ben Johnson

is doing like the same kind of deal. Like they drafted a running back. They drafted a fricking off the ball linebacker in the first round. Like they just want good players. And I think that that's what they'll do. You want to hear a take that I just like thought of in my head, Gentie goes six, Omarion Hampton ten. Yeah, I mean it wouldn't shock me. Like I mean Jameer Gibbs was legit a

fringe first rounder and most people already have Omarion Hampton like I don't know 20s like you know or low 20s and like that like and there was many teams who were like oh well not many teams there was reports that some teams had a Hampton higher than Gentie, which I don't know if I fully believe, but anything close means that he's probably like a middle of the first round guy. So I don't know, just throwing it out there. Something that came to my mind, like if Gentie's gone, like you said, the best player available. So however that grades out, I think is pretty interesting. Um, let's see here. What else we got?

I think there's a couple more. So the jetsets, I mean, I just need to say, I don't know what, okay, well, I'll ask you this question. What do you think the Jets win total opens at? What does the Jets win total open at? Five and a half, six and a half? I was at six and a half probably my first guess. Yeah, I mean, I'm hoping for six and a half. It'll be like my first immediate future

under Jets win total. I mean, Justin Fields, like all the optimism surrounding Justin Fields is like this like fantasy pill, like nonsense in my mind. He can run. He's exciting to watch sometimes, but he is like one of the worst quarterbacks in the league. Like it actually winning football games, just the amount of times he throws terrible back breaking interceptions,

holds onto the ball too long takes terrible sacks Like he is just not a good quarterback to win games I mean, I've you know again watched every single play of his career at this point I feel pretty comfortable saying that and the Jets just I mean They don't have enough around him to like really even make it work in my mind barring like a wildly wildly run heavy Approach where he's just like designed runs like you know 10-15 times a game and maybe they scrape out some wins if the defense plays better because the defense sucked after Salah left like sauce Gardner looked

terrible too it was it was not good so yeah that's I look at the Jets and I'm like I you know I cannot wait to bet unders on this team because I McShea also hinting that, you know, Warren might go there too. He was saying you might not be there at nine or 10. Like that would not surprise me either. Yeah. They, I mean, they have no tight ends. They have my boy Jeremy Rocker, but like they don't have any like tight ends that other people would consider legitimate tight ends. Um, so yeah, like I think that that's kind of like a, a top need for them. I, they're like, Oh, line D line situation is always not as good.

I feel like as we think too. So that's another like Mason Graham, potential team. Yep. Cause they, they added some guys who last year and that was part of the optimism, but they just didn't really play all that well. Um, so, you know, Justin Fields behind a battle line. I mean, just seen it. We've seen that.

Yeah, it's it's not a winning, not a winning recipe. I already talked about the Bears. The the Broncos are interesting too. I want to get your like a quick temperature check on this. They signed up in Ingram Tom Pellissera reported that Sean Payton quote got his Joker thoughts on that? I mean it's definitely a position in an offense that he's been looking for like hated Greg Dulcich he's not even on the team anymore.

And yeah like I like we were saying earlier those tight ends are good players in this class like they're like top 10 top 15 guys so So if you're picking at 20, I think it's reasonable to think like, we're not going to get Colson Loveland here. So let's just get Everett Ingram now. And like maybe one of those guys comes and we take him anyway, but probably not. Yeah, like, I don't know, in my mind, I was kind of thinking like a joker of being some exciting young player, maybe one of the wide receivers or like out of one of the tight ends, if it fell to them, maybe Omarion Hampton, just someone like that can, I don't know, maybe it's a little more juice. Like I thought that immediately crowning him as like Sean Payton's Joker felt like a little

rushed, but, Listen, man, options are sparse out there. Okay. They got, you know, Lucas Kroll or whatever, you know, they're just trying to find guys that are reliable. I mean, what Bo Nix did with that pathetic receiving core, I mean, is and like just surrounding skill cast is honestly pretty awesome. Like, I mean, he was throwing a billion, like seven yard slants and, you know, curls.

But it's I mean, whatever got the job done, you know, like they were a reasonably competitive team and Sean Payton, I think, continues to prove that even though I think some of his moves are not all that sharp you know he he wins games and so finds a way to do that so I think that's interesting for sure one other team I want to touch on before I'll open it up to you a little bit the Texans so Simon Christian Kirk retooling basically their entire offensive line they were another team that I had like not in Penn but like I mean I was pretty confident they were gonna draft one of those receivers at 25, whether it be a Bucca,

whether it be, you know, Ted or Golden, anyone who's there. Like, does free agency or like their lack of offensive line change anything for you? Because I'm just starting to become a little more scared that maybe they just need more offensive line than actually receiver at this point. Yeah, it's a weird situation because it feels like they just were completely dissatisfied with that room, not just from a talent standpoint, but just like a energy effort leadership type

deal. I mean, they only drafted Kenyon Green like what three years ago and then they traded them. So like, I think that they're just completely retooling that. That puts offensive line squarely in play for pretty much every round for them, I feel like. Yeah. But it doesn't necessarily mean that they'll do it in the first round. I mean, I, I, Bucca is just like the easiest guy to pencil in because, um, you know, the Ohio state thing and, uh, obviously he's really good and they

don't really have any receivers outside of Nico Collins, even with the Christian Kirk thing. So yeah, I just, I don't know, like I, this is not really the offensive line class, like in, especially in the twenties, like you're really talking more like, I don't know, Calvin Banks or Booker who's a guard or Josh Simmons who like just had a major injury. Like it's not like, it's not awesome down there. So I kind of still lean skill player in round one, but you know, I would buy anything.

Totally. Yeah. And it looks like a good point here. It's like, while we're on the show, if I can just trade at Ingram to the Texans. I mean, you traded for like, I think a conditional sixth. Again, like it's just one of those other things that probably is not enough to impact their draft decision either way if like, you know, there is an offensive lineman that they like,

but yeah, I mean, you're talking about just like guys who are, I mean, fringe first rounders, they have the 20, you know, or 25th pick for a reason. So it's unfortunate for them. They have a lot of holes to fill and not a whole lot of, you know, capital to do so at this point, it seems like. Yeah.

I mean, maybe from their perspective, they're just like, can the O-line really be worse? Like get these guys out of here and we'll just do it cheaply and we'll see how it goes. Yeah. And I think they got to get CJ Stroud's confidence back too. I don't know. He kind of had the yips last year, I think towards the end of the year and just didn't play all that well. The offensive line wasn't playing well.

Obviously, when you're throwing to like Xavier Hutchinson, Bob Woods and like, you know, John Metchi for half the season. I mean, it's just tough, you know, it's not, not ideal situation. I think real quick, some couple of things that sit out and you're like hip fire mock, Nick M. and worry, you had 13th, the athletic freak safety. He's like minus 300 now to be the first safety

or minus 220 to be first safety off the board. I thought I had him either. I think I had him like 20 or something like that. You think he's like a teens guy now? Is that the latest steam? I don't have a strong opinion there. I mean, I just feel like Miami really needs a safety. This guy's like a freak athlete.

I feel like Miami always needs a safety. This guy's like a freak athlete. I feel like Miami always loves the athletes. And yeah, like, I don't know, like it's one of those things where, yeah, like safety is not really a premium position, but I think it's closer to that than it was, like when we did the Kyle Hamilton thing and he fell, like you get the guy with all these tools and I think teams are excited about that.

Like, I mean, I look in that range and I'm like, I'm not really excited about anybody. So I might as well take the guy that I need. Yeah, this draft is, I think like you said, it's like these top few guys, a couple of fun skill players with like the running backs and tight ends, and then just a bunch of guys who are very much fine

and were like starters, good players, but they're not going to like change your franchise or anything, or even like maybe you can change your unit, even in the first round pick. So yeah, I think that probably qualifies. He's kind of used like all over from my understanding, like he's not necessarily just like a standard safety, like he's used, you know, they need to use them like in the box and like bring them in tackle and just be special. So, yeah, I thought that stood out to me specifically. All right, I think good time to move on real quick to some of the markets that are available.

Two markets stood out to me. We already talked about Evan Worre with minus 220 to be the first safety. I thought that would be closer to about even with him and first safety. I thought that would be closer to about even with him and, uh, Starks. I thought that that would be, you know, closer to even, I'm not like running to bet, you know, Malachi Starks. I think that two safeties in the first round is a bit of a stretch as is. Um, but he's probably going to go at some point. And I think that they're pretty close overall.

So I was like a minus 220 plus 170 split on that seemed pretty tough. Any, any thoughts on Starks or what you think his ranges? Uh, I would probably say like 20 to, I mean, 20 to 40, I guess, but I think he's probably ultimately going to go on the first round. So I'll say like 20 to 32, whatever. Yeah. I think that's fair. Um, all right. The other market though, TET is minus five 50 minus 500 to be the first wide receiver taken.

I don't get this one. We're looking at Matthew Golden plus 320 and Agbuca 14 to one. I mean, it's normally ordered as Golden Tet Agbuca or Tet Golden Agbuca, but they're all going pretty close to each other. It seems like in most mocks, but there's some people who are putting Tet at like, the Duke, Ibuka, but like, they're all going pretty close to each other. It seems like in most mocks, but there's some people who are putting Tet at like,

you know, as high as five. Yeah, I think this is like a fantasy thing too, where it's like, the fantasy profile on Tet is just way better than those guys. So we're all pumped about Tet, always so good, but like, I don't know, Matthew Golden's number one for two really respected guys. And he just ran a four to nine.

I feel like the speed guy, I feel like when it's close, the guy was faster. Usually ends up getting picked first. Like we've seen that so many times. So yeah, I'm like all over this golden price. Like it's like the only position I have right now that's like fairly large. Oh, did I cut out?

All right, can you hear me? I think wi-fi just died there. We back. Cool. Was it me or you? No, it was me. My wi-fi just shut off. All right, Sorry, keep going there. And we can we can wrap up. We're talking about the wide receiver market. Like, I mean, yeah, I just don't get it. Like, are you so you betting golden the plus 320 or? Definitely. I mean, dude, I bet him when it opened, I bet him at like, plus 170. I bet him at like, plus 150. Like I was like, Oh, like golden should be, I think golden should be favored or, you know, at least like a even money type deal.

So I was like, Oh value. But now I'm like, Oh, now it's three to one. I got up at it again. Like, so this is definitely my biggest position so far. Okay. Well, no, I love that. Love to hear that. I think that, um, I think it's probably probably the right move. Like I'm,

I need to add a little bit. Like I've been, I think this is a good time, especially at plus three 20 to kind of start like adding to a portfolio in this market because it is a volatile market. And I think that's normally actually where we honestly not win in a sense, but like it's much easier to make money because like there could be a report that comes out next week that says everyone has, you know, like golden bodice or one or like that says everyone has like golden water super one

or like 12, like most teams have water super one. In this case, this market's gonna be like golden minus 150 probably or minus 200 even. So yeah, I think good time to add there to golden. Any interest in Ibuka at 14 to one or no? I mean, I like the case that you made, but it's just not, I don't know. I guess I just feel like he's a certain team flavor, and I don't know if that team is going to come before the other guys come off the board.

So yeah, I think their range of outcomes are pretty tight, but I do agree that he seems kind of like a back 20s type of guy. It's tough to think that he'll probably get a chance to go in the teens whereas I think Ted and Golden either of them could easily go in the teens and I wouldn't be surprised. So yeah I would think Golden's probably the better move there. All right I think that's about it honestly. You know I think we ran through everything. Do we miss any free agent stuff? I think we hit everything right? Yeah I mean everything it's important, you know,

there are so many moves where it was like, everyone was like, oh, free agent, she's going to suck. And then it was like all these things were happening and all of a sudden we're like, oh, this guy's awesome. Like, but for the most part, I felt like. Not a lot. Yeah. Do you have do you have notifications set on your phone? Like like Schefter underdog, stuff like that.

I mean, it's I I don't know if you have an Apple watch as well. My wrist is just buzzing like for like two days straight with all these trades. Um, I was like, I gotta turn some of these notifications off because, you know, obviously I care about like some of it. And usually it's like quick notifications are a good way to like make money if something big happens. Um, but some of these moves I was like, I could just, I don't need to know this right away, you know? Um, but anyways, appreciate you coming on.

Miko is good chatting, uh, tell everyone what's going on. I'm gonna be on could just, I don't need to know this right away, you know. But anyways, appreciate you coming on, Miko. It was good chatting. Tell everyone where they can find your work or what's going on over at ETR. Yeah, we got to establish the run going. I mean, it's prime dynasty season. So I'm doing all the rankings over there. We're starting to put the dynasty player profiles out.

We got a genties up, Hamptons up. I think we just put Ted up today. So the goal is usually to get through like the first two rounds of guys that you'll see in Ricky draft. So definitely check those out. Awesome. Awesome. Appreciate it. And we'll be back next week. Hopefully me, Noonan and Scott Smith, maybe some more guests, you know, in the future, we'll see. So appreciate everyone for hanging out and listening along. For Anthony, I'm Connor. See you all next week.