Move The Line - An Updated Top-10 2026 NFL Mock Draft (Post-Lawrence Trade!)

Episode Date: April 20, 2026

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Hello and welcome to move the line presented by four for four bets. Ryan Noonan, Connor Allen, Scott Smith back with more NFL draft discussion coming off of newsworthy trade. Connor, what's going on with you? How are we doing anything? Yeah, not much. It's, I mean, it's an awesome week. It's like I just have all the different sports books pulled up basically the entire week.

You know, don't get enough real work done, you know, this week. But make plenty of money. And it's a good one because odds are moving like crazy news is coming in. all these like insiders are like empty certain like you know quote empty the notebooks a little bit here so um it's exciting times i love that they put the uh because it's been a lot of time early in the week on golf it's a Zurich classic team events no data it's just like the worst betting fantasy tournament of the of the years perfect timing allows us to concentrate and hone in on all the draft stuff this week scott smith here as well scott what's going on my friend what's real work the stuff that y'all are speaking of

not for us yeah well we had a a noteworthy trade if you didn't check out our friday show highly recommend taking advantage of that you probably need to chip away at that one it's a full solid two and a half hour full mock draft extensive breakdown thought process if this and this for pretty much the entirety of the draft we maybe turned the screws a little bit when we got to like the last five picks but for the most part it was you know, but hopefully a lot of takeaways for you. And if you've not checked that out, please do so. Again, 4-4-4 live on the YouTube channel where you can find that.

To move the line where we listen to podcast, we'll be back again on Wednesday. Beating on the time, but, you know, we start to solidify those final mocks. The last news that we get here in the 48 hours leading up to that, exciting times, and hopefully great betting opportunities for us as well. So we'll kind of do what we've been doing. We'll kind of hone in a little bit here, I guess, on the top and what's happened here. see if you probably not tuning into this. If you didn't know that Bexler Lawrence was traded to the Bengals for the 10th pick,

and you now have the New York football giants sitting at 5 and 10, a lot of speculation with what they'd like to do with that, discussions of them trading up. What do they do with the first spot? What do they do with the second spot? It creates kind of an interesting dialogue. So you guys want to walk through kind of like just the top 10 mock? I guess we can get our, you know, our Vell Reef. David Bailey quota in as well, make sure we cover that properly.

We're all kind of a long line there, I think. But Fernando Mendoza 1, I think this is an R.Vell Reese two panel here. But I'll let anyone, you know, Scott, if you want to speak up, if you have any thing that's come from what you've heard in the coming days or past days since we've last met. Yeah, everything that I've heard has been sticking with reset too. I don't think there's any movement. And as a matter of fact, when you start seeing some people do mock drafts and start bringing in Jeremiah Love into the mix,

like they're actually talking about Bailey, maybe even sliding a little bit, which I don't see happen to neither. I think one, two, three, and is going to be Mendoza, Reese, and Bailey. I have some trepidation and some little bit of reserve judgment as to whether or not Arizona will be making that picket three for Bailey. I think Kansas City, to a lesser extent. New Orleans are teams that would be in play for David Bailey. I just think David Bailey fits what New Orleans would want and what Mickey Loomis has done in the past. So I think there's some live action possibility for New Orleans to move up to get Bailey at three as much as what Arizona is noted to want to move down. I'm not really buying into the recent Jeremiah Love news and information that you have popping up that they may be player for him or seriously.

considering him the same way we talked about arval rice and and david bailey maybe being you know thrown in a mix to get the the cardinals to move up or another team to move up i kind of think that's what's happening with there my love i think jeremiah love is uh going to be in play at four on down but i don't see him at three so right now i think one two three is mendoza rice and bailey Connor we were vibing last night we didn't know it at the time but i'm looking at all like the news that was coming out and some stuff that was going on over the weekend. And there's all these people that want to trade down. It's like, you know, they're,

Cardinals want to trade down. And you look at the commanders. They don't have a lot of day two picks. They would love to trade down. You know, the Browns love to trade down. The math ain't mathin. And you had the tweet, basically, it was like, hey, we have all these teams that, like,

their option A is they would trade down. Well, you know, you need a dance partner. And there just don't seem to be that many dance partners that are looking to trade up in a class that seems to be considered pretty flat, right? Like, you just have this, I don't know, the narrative around like, hey, you can just get this, like, really safe. We're talking about, like, in non-premium positions being picked a lot in this draft. It's not like a superstar draft that teams are trying to, like, jockey for getting the top of the board.

We continue to hear that that's next year, which looks like you probably have a good quarterback class, you get some wide receiver prospects, but you never know. Every year, it's like next year's draft is better. but it was kind of with you with like this scenario where there's a lot of teams looking to move back and we don't have enough that are looking to move up. Yeah, I mean, I think it's Kansas City, Dallas. I think Scott brought up maybe Miami pre-show. Maybe the Jets move up from 16 to get a wide receiver if they fall.

So like, yeah, it seems like the outs moving up seems pretty thin. And a lot of these teams want to move down. You know, we're at two right here. And I think kind of circling back to that real quick. Yeah, I mean, Schragger did stick with him at two. Breer, like, didn't really stick with him. He basically was just like, I mean, you wrote like a super long column.

I would assume that that was written like last Thursday or, you know, whatever and was like basically submitted and, you know, it was very much like David Bailey. It was the exact same stuff we've been hearing. David Bailey's the most pro ready and he fits his team, whatever, blah, blah, blah. Todd McShay already flipped. DJ has been extremely tentative. I mean, these National Insiders are going to flip to Reese, I would say, any minute.

At this point, I would be flabbergasted if it's not Arval Reese. It was like minus 400 right now on Fandul, bookmakers, like minus 300, Reese, like one or two more inside of slip in. This is going to be like minus a thousand probably. Steve, Bob even. I mean, you there were minus 185s or so yesterday, beaten a lot of different spots, 175 and we've already moved. There, I mean, even today on Kalshi, there was like, it was minus 400 on Fandwell, minus 300 bookmaker. There was some like 62 percent, 60 percent, which converts like minus 160. is that kept being posted.

So I was just sitting there clicking. It was like 50 bucks at a time. Every time we would pop like 62 or 63 cents, I would just start clicking more because again, I just don't ever see this number anytime soon. So I'll put him here in the mock. But then Scott's point here, so like three is something we certainly need to talk about here too.

So like outside of the giant stuff. I mean, do you think like, so okay, so start from the top, there's like, you know, if Reese goes to, which we do think he does, I think there's a consensus mostly that this would be Bailey at three or someone would trade up for Bailey at three. But now we've gotten reports from, I mean, basically every big insider in the last couple days has said that there's like some push within the building. You know, and some people have gone as far as to say it's the owner. It's like Michael Bidwell who took over for his dad five or six years ago who passed away.

And saying that he wants Jeremiah love. And so it creates a tricky situation. because this is like a legitimate scenario that happens. And the owner just, I mean, he is the final say at the end of the day. So that's not traditionally how the Cardinals have operated. I think that they've mostly stayed out of business and they've mostly stayed out of things like that. But again, like this is one of those scenarios where all the logic says to trade down or

David Bailey and they say, no, we're going to pick Jeremy, I love because the owner says so. Yeah, a few thoughts. I mean, before they restructured the James Connor contract in the, re-signed Tyler Al Jir. I thought that like Jeremiah, I think in my 1.0, I put Jeremiah Love to the Cardinals

because my thought was, this is a GM that is kind of a, you have this like tenuous situations where they make coaching changes, but they don't make a GM change. GM hasn't really landed the plane that well. So you feel like he's on pretty shaky ground. He probably would want the guy

that's probably a plug and play, best chance for them to be viable in year one. That probably could be Jeremiah Love. I also think it's become very clear in the month or two since. And again, they, you know, made some moves to solidify the position, is that you have two teams right behind you that very clearly are interested in Jeremiah Love. But the giants have kind of been out there with Jeremiah Love. We're getting that drumbeat from the national beats that cover the Giants closely.

And then the Tennessee thing too, which is, you know, trailing back to the combine. So, like, if you are the Cardinals, even if it's not true, this is silly season still. where like you could benefit from floating interest in Jeremiah Love. That might not even be a GM owner pitting against. It's just like, it'll just toss us out there and see if we can move back at one or two spots. You know, couldn't even be that. So I think this is interesting for betting purposes too, right? So like I think that there's a scenario here where they go with, I'd say most likely Bailey, right?

Like one way or another. I would say that's like I'm like 75%. I think it's Bailey. That's where I'm at. But there is, I think, worlds where either Jeremiah goes three or I don't know. I mean, do we think Francis Maunaoa's like in play at all or not really? I tend to think not.

Tony Pauline and a number of other analysts and evaluators all seem to have the same thought processes that none of these tackles are worth being picked at three. I think the majority of the mock drafts you see that have Maunae there at three. are being basically connected through essentially a trade-down scenario because that's what we've been told that Arizona wants to do the most. It's trade-down, address the right tackle, gain more picks, move back in for Ty Simpson, and build that way. That's what makes the most sense to me.

And that's where I think while Maui Noah was a fit, I just don't think he goes at three. That's fair, yeah. And so we talked about like the lack of. trade up partners. I think what could get interesting is if the Cardinals trade back with Kansas City or with Dallas, like I think that they're live to trade back up again like they did two years ago. And that would create like it wouldn't be that expensive to go from 12 to 6, like with Cleveland or 12 to 7, you know, something like that if they did want to lock in Malanoa and they would still get enough capital to probably trade up to get Ty Simpson. So I think that would

help, I don't know, inflate the market. It would just bust every single bet. You know, it would be just a complete disaster from a exact pick standpoint. But I think that's possible. I don't know. I did play some David Bailey number four, like a while, like a little bit, like sprinkled. It was like, I don't know, five to one. And I did play some Mendoza, Reese, Malanoa at like 11 to one.

I don't know if I liked those as much as I did, like, I don't know, on Friday, basically kind of when I started sprinkling them. But I do think that they're outs for David Bailey to get to four, potentially. And I think you'd be the pick day. I don't know how you guys feel, but I think if it was not Bailey at three that he would almost certainly be the pick at four. Who's going three in that spot, though?

Love. I'm saying that. Okay. Love, yeah, I mean. Yeah, that makes it easy because it feels like then, you know, love feels like the one that's been in consideration a lot. And that would, that tracks, right? You want to kind of give your last year, number one pick

a little bit more of an offensive bump next to him. That would make some sense too. So, yeah, it just, it feels like it's going to be a tough year to mock. And there's just, again, you can't at those home runs in the top 10 where it gets a little bit easier. It starts to get real cloudy when you get a lot of trades in here and things start to trickle down and get wonky quickly. So I'm with you. I think David Bailey is a stay and pick. Place still really makes the most sense.

Feels the cleanest. Totally agree with Scott. I could see them liking Maui know and want to make that pick. Don't see them sitting and doing it at three. So then you have the Thai Simpson stuff too, right? where it's like, how can we grab more capital to come back in late and make that move that is something they, in fact, want to do? There's one other thing, too, on the love stuff.

Like, I feel like we see from time to time, like this kind of dynamic happened. And like this is like, I mean, this almost to me kind of feels like a little bit like the Gentie stuff last year where the Jags drafting Genti didn't make a whole lot of sense. But by clothes, it was like even money. like it was like basically he was the favorite in most mocks he was going five not six and I think the raiders had kind of like thought that that was going to happen now it feels like the same where the titans have been the favorite all the way seemed like they're going to pick him no matter what if he's there and I mean now maybe the cardinals decided to do that and I think by most accounts the jags

were actually going to do that but like all the national insiders were like hey you know the jags going to do something crazy that was like kind of the first step which had happened like a couple a week ago with jeremiah love and it's like oh you know they might step in and draft him so I don't know. Maybe 70% on David Bailey was too strong. Maybe I'm a little bit less than that the more I talk about it. But it's like the steam is rolling right now for this. One thing, I think you have to ask yourself, you look at how many people,

how many of the national guys have reported this over the last two days. And it's almost like it's just propaganda in a sense. I start to wonder because of how many people have floated it. And if that was what you wanted, why are you not keeping that a little bit closer to the vest? I just think the amount of people reporting it kind of throws up a little bit of a red flag to at least be cautioned with it. Thousand percent. You got two teams that have made it very clear that they're interested. Why would you, why wouldn't you float it?

Like, you know. And look, if I had a bit of mock right now, it's going to be David Bailey at three. But I think that and like I, you know, I'm sure you guys are the same. Like, I'm starting to like, I have my final mock. I'm making changes to it and like, you know, going through that. I have David Bailey in there, but I'm feeling, I don't know, I'm more open to change. But it's just something that you're keeping your ears to. Like you're looking for like a few of the right people to go ahead.

Now, you know, you start to see Wednesday. You see them in Daniel Jeremiah's mock. You see him in, you know, Schrager's mock and a few other guys that we trust and it's all aligned. Then I think there's fire there. Yep. I tend to agree. McShea is just all over the place. I mean, he goes from one to extreme to another.

He's, he, because he, I mean, he said last week, like, David Bailey heavily leaning there. And now he's like, it is Arvall Reese. Like he was not even like, I'm hearing. It was like, it is Arval Reese at two. Now he's saying three, he said, if the Cardinals stick and pick, they're drafting Jeremiah Love. It wasn't like they're leaning that way. Again, it was like, it's, I mean, maybe it's just McShay being quite extreme, very possible. but the definitiveness I thought was interesting.

I say for this, let's go daily probably makes the most sense. But I think we're all probably doing that anyways, right? Agreed. Look, I mean, I pushed back on this a little bit last episode too. And like I don't mean any disrespect. These guys obviously have connections that are different than what we have. These guys also do submit mocks.

These guys also do submit mocks. They get graded. And like, you know, they're, it's not like, it's flawless. So like there are plenty of misses. They are more likely to be leveraged as mouthpieces in the greater scheme of things and what teams are trying to accomplish that necessarily given the correct answer. Now it doesn't mean that they're not sometimes given the correct answer.

They don't have an inside source that is trusted, but things happen. And one thing that could be really clear can shift if someone makes a trade ahead of you, right? And it's just a domino effect of how this is. So even though like there can be directionally correct at times, that else can be wrong in the final test. So you've got to stay head on a swivel. All right.

In this scenario, with Bailey going three to the Cardinals, Jeremiah Love is available for Tennessee. Scott, are you giving consideration to anything other than Jeremiah Love in this scenario if it goes with Reese Bailey, 2.3? There's been some chatter that somebody in that office will bang the drum for Sonny Stiles. I think Sunny Stiles is a clean place. I just think when it comes down to it, you look at both the offensive coordinator and Dable and Sala,

and their shortcomings at each of their last stops have been offense. You look at the quarterback. I think he still needs some pressure taken off of them to develop. You look at this running back draft and how depleted it is and how big of a gap there is between Jeremiah Love and everyone else. And we've talked about it. like round two you want you want a linebacker cj allen you know jaco Rodriguez like some of these other guys are going to be there in round two and the gap between jeremiah love and the rest of these running backs is much wider than the gap between sunny styles and some of these other

linebackers so i i feel comfortable with jeremiah love it's who unless i see something drastically changed is probably going to be my pick here for tennessee at four Carter, how about you? Yep, yeah, I agree. I mean, like, as of now, I think I feel, I feel pretty decent on this four. I think this is like a pretty good kind of start to four here. And I felt good about five until recently,

which we can get to. But, I mean, I think you're in the same bucket here as at love as well, right? I am. Yeah, I feel like this is, I feel good with this four. It's going to really take something, unless like a trade happens beforehand, where like this isn't my top four. I imagine between now and submission time here.

Okay, what if, like Scott said, like, almost feels like the gentie stuff. What if like Shrager, Jeremiah and like some other big name all had Jeremiah love going three. Would you switch or would you stick? I mean, like we're close to trending that way. This is the problem. This is like we have some tough decisions to make. Look, I feel like in this competition, you know, we're like, you know, again, we're trying

to make bats and we're, you know, competing in mock draft. accuracy competitions like i'm not a doubles guy um right like just swing for the fence right try to land the plane and get it you know like trust your gut so sometimes there's some some uh benefits if knowing that the masses are going to be switching and it feels a little thin then holding the line so uh probably holding the line here on jeremiah i love scott would you would i'm asked the same question you would you switch or would you sick i'm i'm pretty heavy Ford's love being to pick here at 4. It's going to take a lot.

It's going to take like the main beat reporters plus the national guys. Like it's going to take a very heavy, heavy bit of information from multiple sources to swing me off. Yeah, we would need like a weird news report for me, like some sort of like, you know, Jeremiah love clothes on a house type. You know what I mean? Like something that's not even like beat reporter mock draft stuff, like something that was like a little bit next level. That would make me want to take them a different.

A homeless man stopped Michael Bidwell on the street and told him he had to draft Jeremy. I love to save the city. Correct. Something that's a little bit off, a little bit off kilter. This is where we get Wunky. New York Giants 5, they've had the fifth pick.

That's not new, but now they have the ability to kind of figure out what they want to do, Apple 5 and 10, now with the Dexter Lawrence trade. five, to me, I think I'm kind of locked in on five, but like, there's this weird drumbeat of not just receiver at five, but like Jordan Tyson at five, which, you know, I don't know. I mean, people don't love Carnell Tate, Scott. Tyson's got a lot of question marks. Feels like if he was, maybe a cleaner bill of health, that would probably be a discussion that we had been having every week on the show. But he didn't and doesn't. But Pierce has to have tested pretty well. and, you know, he hosted a private workout and, again, didn't test, but, like, ran, you know, routes and showed out pretty well. So what do you do with the Giants kind of talking both here through 5 and 10 and the wide receivers and offensive linemen and Sunny Stiles and Giants at 5, Scott?

So I feel locked in that it's Sunny Stiles. I think whenever you just break down the Jordan Tyson saga, Two weeks ago, you had people mocking him to Pittsburgh, to the Jets at 16, like falling down. We talk about the talent that he has, but there is some holes and some warts within his profile, specifically when it comes to the injury stuff. Carnell Tate has been thought to be a cleaner, safer prospect, while Tyson may have more upside. I just think his agent has done a phenomenal job within the process of this last two weeks with him not getting in a full athletic profile, you know, through combine, running a 40, things of that nature. And look, when it comes down to it, did you expect him to have a bad workout?

He's not going to go out there and have a bad workout. These things are scripted. They're choreographed. They're set up to put it in as good of a light as you can for a player like Tyson. I think what they have done is they have solidified him as a top 10 pick. But I think, you know, looking at him here at 5 and then looking at his expected draft position, which sits at 16, looking at Arif Hassan does a phenomenal job with the big board that he puts together. I think it's 103 different analysts who have their top 300. And looking at that, his, on the big board, he's 14.

Daniel Jeremiah has him under Omar Cooper even, I think at like 18 or 19. So I think the truth falls somewhere in the middle to where it's not five, but it's not necessarily like 20. So I think you see him more in the line of if he's there at 10. I think he's more in line for the Giants. If something happens, say Cardinal Tate falls past

and the Saints go with Carnell Tate at 8. Then you have Jordan Tyson as an option for the Giants there. I think the Giants made this move with three to four players in mind. I think Sonny Stiles feels like the clean prospect, especially with them trading away Dexter Lawrence and what the holes are in that defense as far as stopping the run. And then you start to look at the defensive tackles that are probably going to be at the top of round two as well.

I think Stiles is the cleaner prospect, safer prospect, I think he's the pick at five. I think they want some combination of whether that's Tyson, Caleb Downs, or an offensive lineman there at 10. Those are what makes sense to me. I think Stiles is probably going to be locked in for me as that pick there at five to the Giants. Connor, where are you at on this whole Tyson noise?

And this again, you know, kind of the loudest drumbeat in the space right now. Yeah, so I think it's interesting because So it started last week before the workout And it was kind of like, all right, it's having the workout A lot of teams are coming. One team in particular is doing extra research on them. It's the Giants. They apparently brought basically everyone there.

It was reported that the GM was there. Apparently everyone went to go there and to have dinner with them after. So they went. They did that like the day after Peter Stregor and Daniel Jeremiah on separate shows said they love Jordan Tyson. They really want him. that could be at five, it could be a 10. That's basically what it was left out last week.

Then you have Adam Schefter coming out today on a show saying, yeah, like they really like Jordan Tyson. They want Jordan Tyson. Could be at five. Like that's like, and this is like Ben now consistent from three to four to different spots. Is this from Jordan Tyson's agent? Maybe. That's definitely possible.

But if it's true that they like Jordan Tyson, there's a very good chance they're not getting him at 10. like I have bet a couple times Jordan Tyson fifth overall exact at like 8 to 1. I think that that is this is a, it might be LCLV. It might be losing closing. For those of you do not watch the regular show during the season, it's losing closing line value. It's something that Noon and I joke about where we take a bet that is like, say, 100 to 1 MVP

and he closes the season at like 10 to 1 and you don't win anything. You have a lot of closing line value, but you don't win anything. So it feels good though, you know. feels like if you feel good yeah can't pay your mortgage with close a losing closing line value um but i think that he's kind of kind of live there one two i think the odds are going to go way down here in the next like couple days like this is going to be like two to one three to one um you know alongside styles uh here pretty quickly so i don't know like at first i was like i don't think that makes any sense but it's just been like a hard drum beat from like most different analysts with like slightly

different angles. And you said it before the Shonen and you mocked Carnal Tate here first. Wondell Robinson's gone. Leak neighbor's not starting the season. They're like there's Darno and Darius Slayton. I mean, yeah.

Like, it's tough. It's a bunch of bums. Like, how are you, how is your offense supposed to function when you don't have like, I mean, you can't pass the ball with those guys. Like, we can just run at every play. Your defense sucks too. So, like, you need some playmakers. Maybe it's styles.

I mean, it could obviously, again, doing a mock today, submitting styles. But I'm very interested in this progression here. And I'm betting it. I think that's kind of like, I don't know if it's like hedging the mock is the right word, but like kind of like I'm hedging some like the chaos scenarios in the betting markets with my mock, my most likely mock, which I think is styles. But I don't know.

This is, I mean, it's coming loud right now. This is like all day. It's been nonstop different quotes and things. Shrager went on a show today, some New Jersey show, and like an hour ago and was like, I'm putting Tyson at 5 right now. The only reason it makes some sense to me is to Scott's point, is because if nothing else,

it's solidified our thoughts of where maybe Tyson is for other teams, and he's just very not likely to make it to 10. And it's just kind of that simple. Like if they want him, and knowing that they are probably not going to get styles, of 10 either. But if they are still very much open to like offensive line, well, yeah, they're still going to get an offensive lineman at 10. But if you want to come out of this with Jordan Tyson, you can't get cute and hope he falls to 10. You'd have to take him. So that's the only

reason I'm even kind of open to it. I,000% think it should be sunny styles. I think it will be sunny styles. Again, you trade, you talk about coming in like, we want to run the football better and we want to stop the run. Those are two problems for us last year. You trade Dexter Lawrence, Scott. then you create a big gap in the middle of that defense and you have a pretty porous lineback and crew too. Stiles makes a ton of sense. I don't understand. We talk about there not being enough dance partners to move up.

Look, the Giants sitting at 10 are in striking distance to move up with a team in Cleveland at 6 that we have heard is desperate to move down and may be willing to do it at a discounted rate. They have to part. with 2027 picks to do it though because the Giants don't have a ton of capital. I think they don't have a third rounder. They're missing some stuff. I just look at it and I think I think it's doable. I think a team like Cleveland, look, they're going to roll with Chador and give Chador

every opportunity to hang himself. And I think a team like Cleveland would be open to 2027 draft capital to go in, have a better chance at getting their quarterback of the future. a heavy quarterback draft in 2027. Yeah, I meant like with the Giants part of 27 capital. I just think, I mean, if you're that high on two players and whether that's Caleb Downs, whether it's Sunny Stiles or whether it is indeed Jordan Tyson here, I think there's a way to swing it and draft that five and draft at six and get both of the guys that you want. And for a guy like John Harbaugh, who I trust as a coach, I think he's eventually essentially

the guy that's going to be making a decision. There's some rumblings that Joe Shane could be very much out and fired after this draft. I think you come into Detroit with the, I mean, excuse me, to New York with the media that you have there. And what bigger splash to make is coming into that, you know, that environment than moving there. And look, you're going to win over the fans really quickly by making a move like that. I'm open to it.

I think if they are as high as I've heard on stock, and the drumbeat for Tyson's happening. I think it's a possibility, especially when you have a team like Cleveland, who is rumored to want to move down. And we have these issues of teams wanting to move up and down, but maybe not necessarily having the partnership. But if the Giants are as high on both of these players and Cleveland wants to move down, it's a trade marriage that I think could make some sense

and should be monitored or at least like explored. I have two last editions here real quick, too. One is there's been some, some, you know, unproven source rumblings in my DMs saying that this is, you know, again, some confidence in Tyson going five. Again, I put basically zero stock in those until they start getting reported like big time. Like this is like last week. I'm like, yeah, whatever. No, I'm not listening to this.

And then I'm like, oh, well, maybe, you know, that's kind of interesting. So that thought was, you know, worth noting. And then another person in the space, I'm not going to say who, but they posted on their like, they're not traditionally a tout. They're traditionally a draft analyst. They posted behind their paywall that this is their favorite bet of the entire NFL draft. Was this was Tyson five exactly? And I confirmed that these two people do not know each other before the show because I was

curious about that too. I'm like, did you get this from this person? They're like, no, I don't even know though. So again, there's like, there's these small tidbits of smoke and then like national, I always say this is like anytime I hear something, I put a little stock into it, but you know, not really much. Maybe dabble. Maybe $20, 30. It's fine. But then it starts picking up national steam and then like, okay, like that could actually be real then.

You know, that's like kind of what, where I started to see smoke is fire. So I know we spent too long in this. And I've been, yeah, but it's the origin to the show today. We wanted to do when they go along here. So we're good. It's interesting on these, these guys here. So mock today, putting styles, but I'm open to switching. I'm more open to putting Tyson five here than I love three, I would say, at this point.

I agree with that. I agree solely because if they definitely are clearly Jordan Tyson, wide receiver one, that just seems really clear that they're not getting him at 10. The other thing, there have been whispers in the last 24 hours from some national media guys that the Giants are actually maybe interested in moving down off of thought. So this is great. I mean, could they be in Tyson a team like Washington who's supposedly high on styles, you know, to move up? Washington has no draft capital.

I don't think they're going to make a deal within a division. So, you know, or is there another team, you know, whether that be Dallas or, you know, whomever. But, you know, there are rumblings that they might want to move down. If it's only a couple of picks and they can still nab Tyson, who knows? updated odds by the way real quick bookmaker just reposted everything and then for those wondering bookmaker takes a thousand dollars a pop and then removes and you can re-bet it so pretty good sentiment of like the betting sharp betting community i would say uh second overall arville rs is out to minus 400 third overall david bailey minus 240 pretty hefty um which is the that's a big job

domestics yeah that's like yeah that's a lot of plus money david bailey at three yeah love down to plus 475 so it's basically just them to and everyone else is kind of you know cooked out there a little bit and then fourth overall jeremiah i love minus 175 again that's also a good bit off domestics uh fifth overall styles plus 140 um and then love plus 400 so there's like i mean there's five guys under 10 to one six guys under 10 to one for the giants here at five so style is the favorite but like plus 140 is i would say significantly less convincing than a minus 175 for love or any other ones. So I thought that was interesting because it's,

the odds have been more confident in the exact mock that we basically just laid out. Yeah. The last thing I'll note on the Giants is that Joe Shane and the Giants have, you know, over the last five drafts, they have met with their first round picks. For those that are kind of like interested in it possibly being Maui Noah, I have no meeting of them with Maui Noah if he's going to be in consideration there at 10. So I, they have met with styles.

they've met with Downs, they've met with Jeremiah Love, Cornell Tate, and then we just talked about Tyson. So I think that at least does put him in the mix. Yes, I would put styles for now. But if you want to put, like, look, where you had it before, and just before you even clicked Sunny Styles, we basically there were 10 guys in the screen, in the mock draft, a little spot here.

And like, you could sell me on seven of those 10 at the time, basically going, you know, fifth. Like I just, I don't think maybe like Lemon, McCoy, or Ruben Bain are going five. Like, you know, I don't think the answer to Elaine's going five, but like you can sell me on that. Like the Giants are kind of all over the place. So all right.

Six. Cleveland, first of two. We know Cleveland wants to move down. Again, I think Nick referenced it on a Friday show. I think it was Dane Bruegler. Two things he knows confidently. Fernando Mendoza is going one. And Cleveland wants to get out of six.

Okay. So, like, who's coming up? What do we do with six here, Connor? I kind of think they're going to know with the tackle here. The more that I lean into this, I think it's going to be Fano or I've seen some people talk about Monroe Freeling. I kind of think it's, I'm probably going to have Fanoa in there. Okay.

So we're betting some plus money, you know, basically first offensive linemen, that's not, I mean, no, I guess I think we're going to get plus money on that still. Yes, I like. It's gotten smaller, but it's still plus. Yeah. And I think you can bet Fano, well, see, the problem is the Browns are really ripe to trade down. I think they're actually like probably because the Browns, I think would, because they're so analytically oriented, I think that they take less to move down, which may, I don't know.

Like, I think that they just like understand the exact values of everything really well. And so they don't need to feel like they got like some massive win or like a bunch of picks or anything. Like they're just following whatever trade chart they have. They've traded down a couple times in the past. And I'm like, that's a shitty deal. But that's just because I'm like not that deep in the weeds on trade value stuff. but like I'm again like six to 12 like they would I think I was reading that's like a like a third or

something like that like it's like not like nothing it's like it's like which in my mind I'm like that's not worth it but it's again it's something the browns would do so I did sprinkle a little bit of finot six exact and I think that was um let's see it's like four to one five to one something like that yeah five four plus four 60 right now so I don't know I mean where you where are you guys out on them like are you going with tate here or because it seems to be most of the insiders seem to be hinting towards going to be offensive line yeah where are you at currently scott i think you have the most out with offensive line um specifically with finnoe i think andrew very analytically oriented there's going to be more data points on finnoe compared to maui noa um i think

people view maui noa strictly as a right tackle and i think cleveland wants a little bit more of who can play left, and that would tend to be Fano. I think even if Cleveland does move out of six and say the chiefs want to get ahead of Washington or New Orleans or some of the other teams, I think Fonaut still has an out to Cleveland if they move down as well. So I'm probably right now leaning towards Fanoe being matched here to the Browns just because I think he's the player that has most out. no matter if they stick and pick or move down a little bit. I kind of agree with that too. Like I think there's been enough, even from like early, early in the process of like

Fanu just being the guy that they like. Again, the one thing they do do is typically draft young and they draft, you know, Raz guys. And that's been like Cleve's point in like the Carnell Tate stuff the whole time. He just does, he's, you know, again, local pushing back on a lot of the Tate stuff he sees come across his time. line, I think, because again, we don't have a full athletic profile on Tate. And Tate hasn't been like this, like, young breakout candidates.

And he's just not checking a lot of, like, the historical berry boxes that I think they're looking to have checks. So I agree. They're probably a trade down candidate. I think they'd probably love to do both and still land Spencer Fennell. But I'm, I'm okay with that too. I think that's probably how I would mock it right now, too. All right.

All right. Let's roll with Finow then. I think that probably makes sense. seems like we're kind of in lock stuff there. Yeah, what's our best money on, on finding for first offensive linemen? Probably like at least two in a quarter or something like that. Yeah, hold on.

I'm looking, see if I can find anything here. First O line plus 275. It's not bad. I mean, I don't mind that. I mean, it seems kind of like a toss-up at this point. Like everyone's adamant that Mao-in-noa is going to be the first offensive lineman draft. because a lot of I feel like a lot of the scouts are like leaning on like well he's the best prospect or whatever but I just I feel like they all goes out the window unless you have like an exact pairing that you know is going to hit like you can tell me no it goes like 12 or 13 I wouldn't be like that surprise I guess one of them has a back injury that we know about like you know if you're splitting hairs and everything that they're close and not you know again well respected uh you know old line grinders think that van who was the clear tackle one um

I don't know. I just think I'm kind of with you. Like maybe Fanoa should probably be the favorite, but it should be probably closer to 50. 15. Yeah, like maybe minus 120, Mauanoa, like, I don't know, plus 150 or plus 175 on Spencer, like something like that. I, I don't know about anyone else here. Also, too, we talked about how the Cardinals, like, primarily only met with those top four guys,

Maunaa and then like love, Reese, whatever. I looked into it more and it looks like they did meet with Ian Nachor and Proctor. There might be one more, but I think those were the guys. So like if the Cardinals did trade down, like I kind of thought like, oh, they're definitely going to come back up to get Malanoa. Maybe that's not the case. Like maybe they'd move down to like 12 and I don't know, take Proctor. I guess it wouldn't be that crazy, I guess, if they really liked him.

Yeah. Yeah, that makes sense too. All right, Scott, Washington, seven here. I think they would love to get Sunny Stiles. I think they'd love to get Jeremiah Love in this scenario. Both of those players are off the board. They do have the ability to select a receiver. And again, this is another one of the teams that we know

because their lack of day two draft capital would love to trade down. As the board stands here, what do you think commanders do at seven? So I tend to think that Washington is very high on Sunny Stiles. If Stiles makes it here or even if Jeremiah Love were to make it here, I think they run that card up. Earlier today, I was on Established Run podcast. We do our yearly mock that we do over there and the great Ben Standig, who's been one of the top beat reporters for Washington for years.

I had the pick. I made the pick as Cornell Tate. I think Washington's done the most work. Ben is of the opinion that Washington wants to trade down and that, you know, they're big into trading down. That's their top priority right now to kind of get some extra picks. They only have two picks within the first two days, so no second round pick. The name that he mentioned in Trey Down, and specifically the team that he mentioned in Trey

Down, he thinks Washington could swap right there with Kansas City. That's only moving back two picks. It's not going to take Kansas City much. They'd be able to hold on to that second, first round pick that they have and not really have to exchange much draft capital. Washington would be able to pick up an extra pick. And he pointed towards Mansour Delane as possibly being a pick at nine if Washington were to trade down. And the points that he made is that Kansas City would be enticed. You know, it's a small price to pay to move up if they're high on Jordan Tyson and Jordan Tyson is there. They're jumping in front of the Saints to get Jordan Tyson. If they're high on on Bain and want to move up and get Bain there, they can get Bain.

Or even if it is Mansour Delane that they're high on, I don't know if Washington was high on them and knew that Kansas City was high on if they would necessarily move. But the option is there. And I think it makes a lot of sense whenever you think through the exercise of Washington and Kansas City possibly swapping. I've heard that Kansas City doesn't quite want to pay the price of what it would take to get to three with the Cardinals, which makes me think that New Orleans is more enticed as a team to possibly move up to three. But the small jump, two spots just to jump in front of the Saints who have some of the same. needs and same player desires that Kansas City does, makes a lot of sense.

So for me, if Washington is sticking and picking, it's going to be Cornell Tate because I think they've done the most research on, you know, and just meeting with wide receivers. You have Brandon Ayyuk being kind of the worst kept secret in the league right now. He wants to play to Washington probably going to end up a June 1st cut for San Francisco and that bad breakup that they have going on. but I think either of those players make the most sense. The only drawback I have with Mansour Delane is he has the eighth percentile arm length, which kind of draws down his Razz a little bit.

But look, he tested well. He's versatile. He plays well in zone or man. So either of those two players make sense to me with Washington's primary objective being to move down and gain some extra graph capital. I think too on the IUC stuff, I think that they can actually keep him until September 1st, if they really want to screw him over. Like, and then it is a bad breakup. It seems bad.

And if I'm them and based, and if the reports that came out are true, basically that he's like, didn't rehab and like just was a total bum and like wasn't coming into the facility for no reason, um, I would certainly do that as well. So I don't know. I think you'll end up in Washington, but it almost seems like if he isn't rehabbing well and didn't, like, you know, hasn't played in a long time. Like, I don't even know if he's going to, you can bank on him being much of contributor this year, even though he is a very good football player when he's healthy. So, yeah, I would go with Tate as well. We're looking at he's plus 375 right now, bookmaker to go seventh, the highest or the lowest odds.

So, I did. Again, though, it gets real wonky if they are looking to get out of that, right? and that's Kansas City. That's, you know. Who would Kansas City want to trade up for, Scott? Like what? I mean, it could be, the most recent drumbeat that I'm hearing is that they really want to address this offensive line. I think Bain is in play.

I think Mansour Delane could be in play. I think Fano could be in play. And Jordan Tyson, it's one of those four players to me. I think Kansas City would like Bailey if Bailey was, you know, more feasible to, to obtain, but I just don't think they're moving up to three to get them. I think you're going to see Brett Veach and Andy Reid come together and grab a player. I tend to think it's the lane that they would move up for just because the gap between the cornerbacks is so wide right now with the injury stuff with McCoy.

You know, and if Tyson is as much as what everybody is saying he is, I could see him as well if they're going to move in front of the Saints. that would be the player that would probably make the most sense, would be Tyson if they're moving specifically in front of the Saints. The Manor-D-Lane stuff to the commanders from a schematic situation tracks the same way that we made the Mansour-D-Lane to Cincinnati discussion, you know, last show. Because they drafted Mikey Sanders still to play in the slot. He played in the slot in Michigan.

He's like 5-8 with very tall spikes on, right? Like he's just not, like, he's a doll. but he's just, he's limited to play in the perimeter. And he was forced to play in the perimeter last year. I'm sure they would love to move him back in the slot. I think Trey Amos was a really nice second round pick for them last year. And you kind of lock in perimeter corners. Everyone gets to play in their, you know, correct position by adding a man sort of

laying on the outside. So that tracks from a football standpoint for me. So I understand why standing is there too. Tricky, tricky spot with what to do. So I don't know what you want to do with the mock. The Caleb Downs thing, I will say that same way. I kind of don't see that here. Scott, do you kind of agree to with Caleb?

Yeah. So the reason I don't see it with Downs is that Adam Peters has drafted the highest average RAS scores of any GM since he's been picking the last two years. They just signed Nick Cross in the off season. He's definitely going to be starting at one position. And then you have Juan Martin, who I think they still have a lot of hope for. and then they have some other safeties that play in three safety sets and things of that nature. I just don't see the elite trait.

As much as we hear behind the scenes that GMs love the evaluation on downs, I just don't see it being worthy of this high of a pick. I think you can even argue about if he was who they were targeting, then maybe he's a player that they're comfortable with moving down and getting extra draft capital. I just don't see it being a pick at seven. Agreed. I mean, they're like Will Harris and Juan Martin and you have, you know, they gave the, you know, money to Nick Cross and for agency. Like, yeah, it doesn't, the Caleb Down stuff doesn't track to me either. It just feels like people trying to like say he's going in the top 10 and just finding a home for him blindly in the top 10 versus it being a team fit. And I like the call out on Peterson and the RAS stuff too. So, Connor, what are you going to do mockwise here? Yeah, I think Tate makes no sense. That's where I have him right now. I mean, also like, we set up the mock and like we kind of get locked into a way here and it just makes things easier if things go the way that we expect them to um like just for mock purposes which i'm sure you guys

do the same because like and i like i always think about like okay well i put this guy here like i have no idea what these two teams are going to do now because you know like it just like messes up a lot of things this is kind of i think this is actually almost exactly what i add um kind of like lined up uh for my mock so the other argument i'll make Let's say Washington isn't the team making a pick. Look, I think the Jets are live to move up. I don't know that Washington won't want to move down that far to 16, but I've heard that the Jets love Carnell Tate.

They're a little bit out of range to make a play for him right now. But look, that's a team that I could see moving up to six, moving up to seven to try to get a Cornell Tate and jump in front. I think the Saints to me are the start, like the ceiling for a lot of, like these wide receivers. And I think you'll see a team if they want to move up for a wide receiver. It's going to be here with seven to Washington who will have some interest in gaining draft capital.

So, you know, there's some teams that could definitely move into this spot and still target Tate at seven. So that's another reason why I like going with Tate at seven. Makes sense. Eight, New Orleans tricky. Jordan Tyson still on the board. Ruben Bain still on the board. Feels like those are a couple of players in the last few weeks we've been honing in on Scott for the Saints here.

Given the option they have both to choose from here, what do you think that they do here at 8? I've heard nothing different to this point. I think that the three options, look, I don't put it past Mickey Loomis to move to three. I think David Bailey very much fits the archetype of defensive end, defensive edge rusher that he wants that would also fit into Brandon Saley. scheme of what he's had success with in the past. The problem is they haven't really moved up without Sean Payton at the helm. So I still think that's an option. But other than that, it's been Bain, it's been Tyson.

I've heard a little bit more of Delane possibly be an option as well. But the only other player that kind of gives me a little trepidation about going all in on Tyson here at 8 is that you have the connection of Chris Bell. who by all means would probably be a first round pick if he didn't have the injury issue. He's got the college history with Tyler Shug. I've heard that the Saints actually do like Chris Bell there as a possibility in the second round. If they're that high on them, if you've got Tyler Shug banging a drum that he wants his guy from college, then I could maybe see them going in a different direction. Maybe that is Bain. Maybe that is the lane.

But I just tend to think that if teams are as high as what they're. are on Tyson, you know, the film checks out. The Saints are comfortable with the injury. I find it hard to pivot off of him being the pick here if the Saints aren't moving up to get Bailey and they're sticking at eight. Connor, where you out on the Saints? Yeah, Tyson right now, this is crazy, actually. Tyson is only plus 230 to be the eighth overall pick at this point.

He is the current favorite on Bookmaker. The next closest is Mansour Delane at plus 428. I mean, I'm certainly not betting plus 232. For anyone listening to the show, I think we got in pretty, pretty well before on some of this Tyson 8 stuff. Yeah, like some 8 to 1s, 9 to 1s, 5 to 1s when we talked about it. I think all that's good. Top 10 for Tyson, too. You know, Jordan Tyson's slowly becoming the next R.V.L. Reese for me here.

It's, you know, maybe quickly at this point. We'll see how the next couple days go here. But, yeah, I think it would be Tyson based on everything you guys are saying. Plus, you know, I think the odds somewhat reflect that. that. So that's probably where I'd go. I mean, I again, like the other one that makes sense is Delane to me, but that's about it. Like I don't, I don't know if it'd be anyone else. Yeah, I think it's one of those three. I think it's a little tricky. I beg of you out there, depending on your style. The direct exact pig is your wrist tolerance has got to be really

high for these, right? So like, Connor's been burns, doesn't give a rip. His wrist tolerance is about as high as anyone than I know. Casuals, if you can get a bed that covers multiple outs where you be correct and not be pigeonhole to player pick and have really, really good handicapped situations where you read the board really well and you lost because a singular trade happens. I'll just be careful when you're betting those ones specifically. And again, you know, Connor sent some success at it. I know he's had some painful ELs with it too. Yeah.

That's a very good point. Actually, it's something I was telling some normal people, you know, non-community members and people was like, they're like, well, what did you bet? and I send my list of like 65 different voyagers that I've made at one like this draft season, which are like mostly like a lot of repeats obviously. But like I'm like, hey, I went really heavy on Reese to, you know, ACC under six and a half at like minus 300. Like I'm never going to tell my friends to bet something minus 300. You know what I mean?

They're going to be like, I bet $30 to win 10. Like what am I doing here? Like it's like they don't care about that. But like things like that. I'm like, I bet those like really heavy. And then I sprinkle in some like, you know, some smaller ones. like that because you you know you may make 30 of them all you're going to do is win a couple of them but if you're only making one or two to your point like it's probably not the right decision because

you're going to be quite upset when I can inevitably there's going to be some trades um I had a mansor delane number 10 for like 27 to 1 from like a while ago that I'm like oh man they traded now I'm like well maybe you know like maybe they go if they go somewhere else at the top or like maybe they like delane just like you know after downs or I had a downs I don't know it could be all similar. So I was like, all right, well, that can make sense too. So that's the way to do it. Give it take.

Yeah, I think even without getting like super cute on like thinking team X is going to be taking player Y, like kind of build in some spots like, hey, this guy's going in this range and his numbers way off. Like I think Delane right now at 27, knowing when we know who's picking, like that'd be a great number against who cares that as the Giants. So that's the way, in my opinion, to approach those ones specifically. because it can get a little bit wonky. Like, you know, a little safer with like team to draft position stuff over,

unders. And again, you're not going to get the payouts to Connor's point. You know, you're not going to find 27 of ones there. But, you know, just careful with tracking that specifically. Again, you can have a really good read, you know, cash you a big LCLV because of a nice little trade happening. So I'm going to Tyson here. Yeah, I'll go Tyson.

And then, yeah, we've got two picks here. I don't know. One of the national drum beats that I am starting to come around to is it just seems offensive linemen to Kansas City has been really, really consistent. At first to me, it was like, well, maybe they'll do that at 29. Now that they get the second pick, they can get one of those falling. You know, they don't want some maybe they can kick to the interior. Like they're kind of, they don't have like a specific need along the offensive line. I think they just would like to add some quality talent.

That to me seems like it's just safer for them to pick it. nine, Scott, and that seems to be a trend from the national beats that I'm kind of behind it on. Yeah, early on, and I think when I did my first mock draft, I thought Spencer Fenno was a good pick. He's a good fit. There's a connection with the coach over there at Utah. Supposedly, Andy Reid wants to fix this offensive line. If, you know, you have Patrick Mahomes dealing with the knee injury and coming back from that, I think it's imperative to, go ahead and protect them, even when you're getting some rumblings from Daniel Jeremiah and a few other people saying that they're not totally sold and comfortable with where Simmons is at as well.

So I think there's, if it's me making the pick, I believe in building through the trenches, especially when you have a quarterback, the caliber of Patrick Mahomes. I think you have to keep them protected at all costs. And this is another team that, you know, they have a second first round pick where they can still address some other needs. So I could definitely see it being offensive line. And I'm tending to kind of go in that direction with maybe Ruben Bain being the player that slides back a little bit that they pass on.

So I like the options of them if they move up being offensive line. And if they stick and pick it, maybe it's offensive line as well. So it just seems like it's it's. a clear need, especially with Patrick Mahomes, recovering from injury. Yeah, where are you at here, Connor? Yeah, I mean, good call about Patrick. This is a great call here, yeah. Plus 250, Chiefs Align, because, so where we've mocked ourselves into, like, I have,

I think actually this exact eight right here kind of penciled in or close. I have Malanoa going here, but is that a fit? Like for the Chiefs? Sure. Okay. Yeah. They don't seem to have, like, a specific need. positional wise i mean i i think it's a fit he's going to play on the right side simmons will move over

to the left you know the the negative that you're getting on on now you know is the versatility that they don't project him to play to the right i mean excuse me to the left side and then he's got the disc issue with his back that may what i've been told is that if it goes extremely bad worst case scenario he could miss three months with a cleanup in surgery if something had to happen but he's been playing with it as far as an asymptomatic injury and dealing with it. They don't project him to miss any time. He hasn't had a ton of visits. Let me look because I think the Chiefs were one of the teams that actually did their homework on him.

Still. Yeah. So the Chiefs did have a visit with mine. I know it wasn't a top 30 visit, but I think they did meet with him at the Combine. So, you know, there is that connection. there as well. It's something I was talking with Dalton Cates about yesterday because we, he was like pretty confident that the Cardinals were going to try and trade down.

And one of the teams potentially trading up is Kansas City Chiefs. And we know that the Cardinals also like Francis Mawanoa. And so like number nine exact with Mowanoa is like 11 to one. Like there's legit two outs here. Like there's multiple outs here. Like I I you know so now that we're going through this and I'm like hey like I don't think it's not that I'm realistic for him to be here could the chiefs like him straight up sure could this also just be Arizona that's also possible too and also take him here and I'm I'm way more confident of Arizona's on the board that they're going to take him at this point but I don't know I got I'll probably dabble in it a little bit I think it's that's kind of a fun one but chief so line is probably the better way to play it chiefs are tough because I mean Ruben baines still on the board we've seen that mocked we've mocked it mansor Delane still on the board. board like we'll probably would want to mock or consider edge or corner or offensive line, right, those three positions.

We're probably going to give Chiefs two of those three, just where do they see the value and where they see the tear drops. Because we talk about like questions at corner two, considering the questions with Jerome McCoy, like, could you see Mansor Delane just being like, hey, this is the cleanest corner prospect in the board? It's not have to worry about what happens or who falls to 29. we really want to come out of this first round with, you know, a starting perimeter corner. Let's just take the best one in the class at nine.

Like it wouldn't shock me either. And same thing. Like Ruben Bain feels like we said, a Spag's defensive end, right? Going to play a lot. He's going to stop the run. Like he just feels like he checks a lot of boxes. So the chiefs are tough for me. And my pushback, my other pushback that I've kind of dealt with with, with Bain is he's a fit for Vech and Spagnoa and what they want to do.

but there's other players that are going to be there in the second round that are also fits. You know, Gabe Jackus is almost a spitting image profile-wise of what they have drafted in the past. Is that a good thing or is that a bad thing because they haven't hit on those 10 plus sack guys? But, you know, I think there are players that are going to be there at edge that, you know, is a little bit deeper than what some of these other positions are when you start looking in the second and third round. Yeah. I mean, yeah, a line's going to be gone by 29. I mean, there's going to be eight gone at least.

Yeah. Yeah, it gets super thin. It does get super thin for sure. So yeah, I just think those are the three positions. And you have three, you know, top tier caliber guys here. Like, I get another spot where I don't think it's downs. And I think you'll see some downs here too. I just, we've talked about how that this doesn't seem to fit.

Over, downs over nine and a half. Back to being live again. Back live. We're just bouncing back. I'm already hedged out. Like, I mean. I'm soft, you know, I'm, you know, but. Hey, for hands.

Look, I've talked, I talked about how I've hedged. I hedged, you know, I have a lot of downs over nine and a half. And my hedge point had some overlap of downs top 10. So I have that overlap. If he hits at 10 to here to the Giants, you know, then, then I could, I could really skyrocket up. And it would be good for me. Oh, that's nice. I like that.

That's actually a great hedge right now. I don't know, again, obviously, depends. and what juice you got and everything, but I think that's, that's great. Do we want to go Mau and O here? Just for, I mean,

unless you guys, what happens? All right. And then this is it. All right, well, 10, Caleb Down still on the board.

Still have Mansour Delane on the board. Ruben Bain, based off of the, you know, the lone strength of the Giants kind of being the depth of edge rusher. Feels like a spot that Ruben Bain wouldn't even be in consideration.

We gave them Sunny Stiles with the pick at five. Scott, where are you at with Giants sticking at 10? I mean, if it's here, I think it's Caleb Downs. We've heard so much about Caleb Downs even being in play at 5, to which I have said that I just thought that that was too high for the traits and the overall profile that he has and he hasn't tested. You look at all the other top tier safeties that have been drafted, and I just do not care how good he reads defenses.

And if you can put the green dot on his helmet and have him play in the secondary and all the things that he does, it's just not a profile that I feel comfortable with as being up there at five or seven or whatnot. Now, with that being said, does John Harbaugh want to put his stamp on this draft? You get a guy like Sonny Stotthouse or, you know, say it is Jordan Tyson. is it Jordan Tyson at five because they're comfortable with getting that Caleb Downs here at 10? So I think it's downs if the board falls this way. I just think you've heard so much, you know, before the Giants even made the trade that, you know, 10 is the floor.

10 is the absolute floor for for downs. And so, you know, for my bags and the positions that I have, this would be the dream scenario for me to make out in the draft. I like the fit. And we also have some of these other offensive linemen off the board. I think the guy owning would be another outside player to kind of look at here. I think he is like the worst case scenario for the Giants here at 10. And I think they're comfortable with a number of different players falling here to 10. And that's part of the reason why they made the trade that they did.

But for me, it's going to be Caleb Downs. Connor, where you at here with the way the board fell? I mean, this is, we're going through this. This just makes me believe more that Tyson's going to be the pick at five because you got, you're going to get one of downs or styles or I've heard that they like Delane. I mean, Schrager had Delane there at 10 too earlier. And like, I mean, there's very little chance that they're going to get Tyson,

maybe still a chance. And there's a very high chance that they get one of those three players that all would be great additions to their defense. So it's, I mean, I hate to compare it to fantasy. football, but I think this is kind of an apt comparison of like, if you know that you're going to get one of the three guys in a certain tier that you like and then can get a different guy, maybe you reach for the first one. So I don't know.

I think in this scenario, I'm probably going downs. But I mean, I've put the lane and then downs at 12, I think, and kind of like playing around with things and that kind of fit nice. I didn't mind that either. I don't know. I think it could go either way here. But I would say one of those two guys. Or Vega.

Vega was brought up too. Some people were kind of pushing that a little bit. I tend to think it's a little rich if you have the other two guys in the board and if you already went offense, but who knows? Yeah, it does speak to the original Harbaugh thought of, we want to run the ball and stop the run. This, again, is why we made the point when making the pick at five that if they want Tyson, you know, you have too many suitors right behind there.

You'd probably have to make that pick. But again, you're not getting sunny styles at 10 either, right? commanders are running that pick up. They're probably not trading back. They're comfortable making that pick. So that's where this gets a little bit tricky. So or then you open yourself up to Dallas moving up to another team to kind of make it if you pass by. So yeah, this is this is tricky.

Do we see that there's a big enough gap where like McKay Lemon is not an option. It's not just they want a receiver. It's just that they're infatuated with Jordan Tyson specifically all of a sudden. Like we're even considering, you know, we haven't heard anything about Lemon. but I don't know if you have anything or thoughts there, Scott. No, I haven't heard much about Lemon. I've actually heard that Lemon could actually be sliding a little bit, maybe even to the Jets at 16.

So I just think, you know, the box of players that we're looking at here for the Giants is going to be, you know, down to the players that we've kind of talked about. And I think they're comfortable with where they're at as far as getting two of maybe a handful of four or five players. And like I said, if it was me, I'd be moving up to six. I can guarantee that I'm getting who I want. But, you know, I just think they've thrown a monkey wrench here and things. You know, we just blew up our boards for a little bit and kind of starting over with some the stuff that they have here and some of the rumors, especially if Jordan Tyson ends up at five.

For sure. All right. Caleb Downs, Connor. All right. Beautiful. Tyler Newman was the safety one two classes ago. And they're like, yeah, you know what? Throwing in the towel.

Caleb Downs, it is. It's just interesting. I'll say they're wrong. But it's interesting. I mean, I don't know. I'm saying it. I don't know. This is a crazy time of year.

You're warming up to, you're warming up to Jordan Tyson 5. I can feel it. Oh, yeah. It's, it's kind of cooking. You know, it's kind of just like sitting with me

and I'm like, you know what? Maybe. Also, we got a message during the show that Peter Schragger tweeted out, like a shrugging emoji over the, like,

Arval Reese is the- Coach me and your boy, Coach with your boy, Connor Hughes. Yeah, okay. Well, we share the same first name, we're not share,

the same draft success um you know he's but but i took that more as like schrager's saying i don't know he said on the show earlier he's like yeah for now i lean bailey but i i don't have no idea basically is what he said so um i i don't think it matters still minus four under a bookmaker if i can get anything close uh minus 150 i'll just keep adding i don't know bags are packed why not so interesting scenario where reuben bain falls out of the top 10 which is interesting if I think a couple of suitors sitting there at 11 and 12, that would be pretty interested to scoop him up. Anything else we want to highlight here?

Obviously, our goal was to kind of walk through the top 10, but are there any player-specific, team-specific, rumors, reports, anything that you have, Connor, that you want to touch on here before we wrap. And we'll go obviously a little bit longer, I imagine, on Wednesday. Yeah, Fandle dropped over-unders. Vega over-under was 16-5 for a little bit. I bet that.

Vic pops up to 15-and-half. I think the under there is really good. It's like juiced over at 14.5. The, I mean, that's really not too much else. Just keep sprinkling on some of the exact picks. You know, if you're going to build a portfolio, you know, just keep letting them rip, you know. It's all it takes is one and you'll be, you'll be good.

You got to wait a whole other year for the next draft. So, you know, preaching responsibility for the casuals, but, you know, again, just one of these. Just one. Scott, anything else in closing that you want to touch on? And, you know, take us anywhere. No, the only other thing is Dylan Thineman is all over the map, getting a lot of, a lot of buzz going into this final week.

But the one team that I think is maybe prime to make a move is Carolina. I think Carolina really likes Thineman and would move up. And then, you know, Ryan, your boy, Jacob Rodriguez, is starting to get a lot more and more. they're talking maybe as high as 20 to the Cowboys or that the Cowboys could move down and select them. I think in the next couple of days, I think Rodriguez is one of the players

that's probably going to be cemented into my first round. Let's go. I think they still find some maybe five to ones or so to go in the first round for Rodriguez. Actually, the way the board fell for us in this top 10, then you could end up in a situation where Dallas gets an edge at 12. And then I think Jacob Rodriguez is very interesting for them at 12. 20 if they're able to get a Ruben Bain at 12 or something like that.

So, you know, again, we'll have to wait and see. But yeah, he's worth, he shouldn't be as long as he is in the first round market. So all right. Last question. Thoughts on Satique. We don't have a lot. But we find him, I think consensus, Patrick is that we all find him to be really, really, really difficult to mock.

And the other factors go higher on a lot. I think you have. outs at 14, 15, 18, and 19. The outside shot is Minnesota. I've heard some rumblings there, but I think those are the teams that would be in consideration. I think if Thineman is off the board, I think, you know, Carolina could give some consideration there. But, you know, I just, I have trouble finding a comfortable fit to them. So that's kind of where I stand.

I think those are his four outs. If they aren't, then I don't know how long the fall is going to last. I have nothing other than, you know, Eric Dukasta comment from the other day where he says they want to come out of the draft with multiple tight ends. Again, hand up. That does not guarantee at all that one of those is in the first rounds. I just don't know where to put the player. So you tell me you want to get a multiple tight ends.

I'm going to give you one in the first round because it's kind of in his range to begin with. I kind of want to do some other stuff with Baltimore, but I don't know. Baltimore could be a team to me, Scott, we've talked about it a bunch. They do this every year where they grab Jermann McCoy and he's healthy and he's fine and he's awesome because I think he is awesome. He's just a lot of question marks and it's hard to take question marks. But like that's a fit. They throw him in a perimeter corner and he's two, three years from now a pro bowler and you're like, son of the pitch. They got him at 14.

Like how do they do this all the time? Like that would not surprise me at all. Like as soon as if they make that pick, I would be like, it he's healthy and he's fine i just i just they know and otherwise he slips to 29 or you know chiefs do it and you're like oh chiefs did it suckers yeah i don't know they're tough they're tough they're tough he's a tough he's a tough ask and that's why patrick asked so all right fellas uh appreciate everyone hanging out with us as always subscribe to the channel thumbs up on the video goes a long way and helping us continue to do all the cool free stuff we want to do um take the time come back on

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