Move The Line - BEST NFC North Props & Futures BETS!

Episode Date: August 4, 2022

Move The Line 2022 NFC North Betting preview hosted by John Daigle & Ryan Noonan with guest SharpClarke. Which NFC North team is favored to win the division? Which NFC North bet provides the best value? What's the worst way you can lose money betting on the NFC North?Timestamps:0:00 Intro0:35 Welcome & FanDuel Ad 7:44 Packers Betting Odds20:30 Vikings Betting Odds30:08 Lions Betting Odds40:33 Bears Betting Odds53:09 Favorite NFC North Bets54:44 OutroMove The Line is presented by FanDuel Sportsbook. New users who sign up for an account using promo code 4FOR4 will get a Risk-Free first bet (up to $1,000) 👉🏼 https://4for4.com/go/FanDuel Want a FREE 4for4 Betting Subscription? Deposit $10 into a new BetMGM account using promo code 4FOR4 👉🏼 https://4for4.com/go/BetMGM Get a FREE 4for4 Pro or DFS Sub & Bonus Deposit Match up to $100 with Promo Code 4FOR4 on Underdog Fantasy (Minimum $10 deposit) 👉🏼 https://4for4.co/3wtvfuh Subscribe to 4for4's Betting Package 👉🏼 https://www.4for4.com/plans Follow 4for4 on Twitter 👉🏼 https://twitter.com/4for4football Follow 4for4 Bets on Twitter 👉🏼 https://twitter.com/4for4bets Follow Move the Line on Twitter 👉🏼 https://twitter.com/MoveTheLineNFL Follow John on Twitter 👉🏼 https://twitter.com/notJDaigle Follow Ryan on Twitter 👉🏼 https://twitter.com/RyNoonan Follow SharpClarke on Twitter 👉🏼 https://twitter.com/SharpClarkeNFL Visit our Website 👉🏼 https://www.4for4.com/ Join our Discord 👉🏼 http://discord.gg/4for4 Subscribe to our YouTube Channel 👉🏼 https://www.youtube.com/4for4football 4for4 Betting Strategy Hub 👉🏼 https://4for4.co/3hm39cw 4for4 Betting Picks 👉🏼 https://4for4.co/3LUp0Ea Offseason NFL Betting Tracker 👉🏼 https://4for4.co/3sWVsi9

Hello and welcome to Moonline presented by FanDuel. With our promo code 444, new users can take advantage of FanDuel's risk-free first bets and get $1,000 back. If you don't win, download the FanDuel Sportsbook app today. Enter our promo code 444 and take advantage. I'm Ryan Noonan. Joined here, as always, by friends. First, John Daigle.

John, how are you, buddy? Everything going well. My personal life is over because something happens in camp every single day now. So that means the football season is truly officially here. Your travel schedule is busy, though. I know that you were basically doing... F-ing. I was about to start with the F-bomb.

I like to blend them into shows but not start at the top. Unreal. I'm going to New York for the official Flex League drafts this weekend. Not defending champion, but did win the title for the best ball draft in 2020 over the pandemic. That's actually what that championship belt is right there. So New York this weekend, Pro Football Hall of Fame for the Expo, where there is so much happening. The poker tournament. I'm part of the cornhole or bags, depending what region of America you're from, tournament.

I'm doing a live Q&A panel. I'm doing a live podcast for everyone, in front of everyone, with our old good friends at NBC Sports Edge and Pat Corain in particular. And then we'll all be in Vegas. Well, maybe not Sharpback. Clark, you actually might be there just for the hell of it. But we will be in Vegas for the main event drafts and NFFC drafts first week into September.

So it's just, it's a busy month and busy season. In the home stretch, we're both, I feel like close, but it's still a little ways away where we have like, it's five, six weeks, but it's like from like, you're in the content space and we're trying to make bets and you want to get down some futures. And it feels like that window continues to shrink.

So Connor Allen recently married is gallivanting in Europe, Portugal, Spain, all of those different things. Still very online in a very Conor Allen way, which, you know, I wouldn't expect anything different, but his wife's a big reader. He's going to have some downside downtime too. So Connor logs into the apps that he loves and will still pop himself up. We gave him the night off, though. We're going to the bullpen again, as we did a couple weeks ago,

for our man behind the spreads, one of our best writers. We're super excited to have him. If you are not aware, we have Sharp Clark on board for this season and beyond. Super excited that Clark is with us again to unpack a division that I know he's excited to get down to. So what's up, Clark? Yeah, I am excited. And tomorrow I'm going to Indianapolis for Gen Con

and trying not to think about football for four days, which will be the first four-day stretch since early March for me. I do most of my work early in the offseason, and so the last month for me is a little bit of a slowdown in terms of work. So I'm very looking forward to that to be clear is gen con actually about like gen cocktails no gen con gen i don't know why it's called gen con actually it's about like board games and stuff oh i support i'll just get more excited about gen cocktails but continue board games i love

board games is the biggest congregation of nerds in the world, basically. It's going to be great. It's all the same. I've played D&D in my days of college. And now the issue is I would love to do that. But actually still, it's hard to find people to do so as an adult. I guess you have to get online and do some things. When I'm on online, obviously, that's when I'm working.

So I don't know anymore. Gin can be fun too. I mean, who knows? But no judgment here what's the favorite what's your favorite game i'm sure it's some random game that the majority of us have never heard of yeah kaya project is my number one but i'm sure nobody's heard of it uh give me a give me a 15 second premise yeah it's sort of like advanced strategy in space you're trying to colonize planets and try to explore and research, and it all kind of builds together. That is – you're right.

That's the nerdiest thing I've heard anyone say. Yeah, it's funny. Let's be real. I mean, there is definitely – if you're talking to people outside of the bubble, we handicap football, and we draft an insane amount of fantasy leagues and make prop bets in-season, pre-season. We're in a nerdy niche, so there are no judgments here. And if you are judging, shame on you.

You've been listening to this betting podcast about football since May. So no judgment. let it go. We're in a niche more that sits down and gains weight for five months out of the year, but maybe that's also Gen Con to be honest. I do think it's important to have other interests. I think my handicapping is improved when I'm reading about things that are unrelated to football or participating in activities that stimulate my brain in a different way. It just creates those different patterns. I will agree. I'm a big like Jet Kerouac fan.

I listen to Tim Ferriss show religiously. Like I find that everything outside of what I do actually helps me best with what I do, but like everything outside of it, actually that's where the good shit is that no one else hears. We're going to stay in our nerdy niche tonight. We're going to get into the NFC North, which I think is a very interesting division. I want to remind you, there's lots of great content. And again, we are just kind of turning up the dial to 11 here at 4 for 4 with all of the stuff that you could possibly consume.

Again, most of us spend our time, or Clark and I spend our time in the betting sphere. I do have some fantasy articles coming soon. Daigle has been doing an incredible job with individual team previews, both from a fantasy and betting standpoint. There is all you could possibly consume on the site. And again, over the next couple of months or weeks, it will be even more. So four, four.com slash plans. I'm really excited. I think there's a tool coming on Monday that we can share here live next week on Wednesday. That is, I've just, I'm really excited about it. It is all encompassing stats and matchup tendency tool that if you follow me, I've done by hand for the last handful of years. We've automated it and actually blown it up and made it something that, again, talking to you now can't really do justice. If you handicap games, if you play fantasy, if you're looking for any sort of edge in matchups and anything that deals with football,

this tool is going to help streamline that process for you. Should be live on the site on Monday. So hopefully by Wednesday when we record, we can have that up and share it with you. We'll be behind the paywall because it is a huge, huge value add to a subscription at 444. So definitely want to keep your eyes peeled and check that out. I'm sure it'll be populating on the Twittersphere if you are following either of us. Tweeted it out today if you wanted to take a quick look.

Let's jump into it, gentlemen. NFC North is an interesting one, and from an inter-conference scheduling standpoint, we are looking at the East. They play the NFC East and the AFC East. Their 17th monkey game is against the AFC South. I think that's why you see, again, with these three conferences that are not necessarily needle movers, that most of the strength of schedules are either kind of middle of the pack

or fairly advantageous. So to note that, we'll get started with the Green Bay Packers. They are coming off their third consecutive division title and 12-1 on Fandle to win the whole thing, 5.5-1 on MGM to win the NFC. You can get kind of a middle, depending on your position on this team, from a win total standpoint. There are 10.5s out there on FanDuel, 11.5 out there on PointsBet,

juiced a little bit either way, depending on what you're looking to do. Minus 165 on MGM to win this division. New OC here by name, though we have a lot of continuity here, obviously, with two-time back-to-back MVP Aaron Rodgers re-signing in the offseason. Even though there's new OC, we know that this is kind of the little floor in Rodgers' offense, though this is no longer the Devontae Adams offense. And I think that that is kind of a big piece of when we're trying to handicap the Packers here. And kind of how that wide receiver room emerges, I think is going to go a long way in determining

what happens here, even in the division. So obviously having an elite play caller in the floor, all-time great QB certainly helps, but lots of questions here, Daigle. I got to start kicking me off with the Packers. It's an interesting team this year because Aaron Rodgers doesn't necessarily get worse at football. He's still, as you said, back-to-back MVP. But the way they created this particular unit tells us that they're going to run the ball more. Aaron Rodgers splits. We know them historically actually are better without Devontae Adams. But I also question if that sustains over a 17-game period.

And then, more importantly, they had two shots in the first round for offensive players. And they said, screw it. And they went defense as well well i think that tells us they're going to be relying on their bulk of edge rushers and actually playing more defense and being a run heavier team allowing rogers to still be as efficient as he's ever been on third down i think they're going to be slower paced than what we've seen in the past uh with daniel hackett the past three years as we know he went to Denver. Yeah. Eighth, ninth, 13th overall in pass play rate from neutral game script.

And I expect that to be even lower. And again, even slower for this offense this year, but perhaps even more efficient. So I'm curious to know about Clark's takes on their schedule because I do find the Vikings far sexier. I think the Vikings are going to be fun as hell, but just like the Dolphins, just like the Eagles, I don't know if necessarily fun as hell leads to more wins.

And so I'd love to get Clark's take. Yeah, I agree that their offense is going to look a little different without Devontae Adams, without Hackett. But bottom line with this team is Aaron Rodgers, when he is motivated and when he's focused and when he's keyed in, there's probably never been a passer as good as him in NFL history. His ability to read defenses, anticipate coverages, you know, hit the open man with that zip and accuracy every time. He's just a next level smart. And there's a lot of different ways you can elevate the players around you as a quarterback.

And Aaron Rodgers does it mentally better than almost anyone in the game. There's one play that sticks out to me in the 2020 playoffs. It was a couple years ago against the Rams. They rotated out Aaron Donald for a second and 10 play because they were trying to get Donald some rest. And so Rodgers ran a run play that was not very successful, set up a third and seven. But he knew that, you know, Aaron Donald was not in the field. So he called it very, very fast play. The Rams tried to sub, they didn't get it in time. He completed a 37 yard pass because they weren't ready.

And they got a defensive penalty for too many men on the field. And it was just a huge play in a playoff game. And it's like, he will outsmart you. He will use whatever avenues he has to win the game. And so I'm not as worried about about them losing davante adams i think that was the same game where we were all in the dfs world concerned about not me but we were concerned about davante adams being shadowed by jalen ramsey because that's the ram said they were going to do and literally when they got inside the 10 yard

line rogers just called pick play after pick play and it literally didn't matter at all that he was shadowed. He's like, yeah, we're still going to throw the ball to Adams. Who cares? So yeah, he's, as you said, the most intelligent quarterback on the field right now. Exactly. And you talk about his splits without Adams. It's not a coincidence. You know, there was one game in there where Robert Tunyon had three touchdowns because Adams wasn't playing. And so Rodgers decided he studied the defense and figured out, okay, they're going to be vulnerable to this tight end. So I'm just going to hammer the tight end. And then there's another game where Alan Lazard had a massive game.

He sees things and he anticipates it and then he implements it. And so I think they're going to not be as explosive without Devontae Adams, sure. But I'm not too worried, especially with two great running backs. And to go to the schedule that you're asking about, I think that all the teams in this division have a fairly easy schedule. What sticks out to me for the Packers is if you think about all the legitimate Super Bowl contenders, you're talking about the Bills, the Chiefs, the Chargers, the Bucks, the Packers, the Rams, maybe some other teams in there. The Packers have the easiest path, in my opinion.

Their schedule is easy. The Vikings are kind of a question mark, and we'll get into those, getting them a bit more. But they have the easiest path to me to, you know, getting the number one seed again and putting them in a position where all they need to do is win a couple home playoff games to get to the Super Bowl. So I do think things have worked out favorably for the Packers

in the absence of Adams. Yeah, they do have three or four at home in December. And those are all like they get the Rams, California team, obviously. And then they get two dome teams, you know, in the division here. So like, you know, that's an ad, you know, an advantageous spot in the schedule. They do have the largest rest disadvantage in the league this year. They basically all pops up in a couple of weeks, week seven through 10 in particular, they play three straight on the road, week seven, eight, and nine week eight is at Buffalo and that's Buffalo off of a buy. Not great. And then their

first game home to end this three in a row is against Dallas, but Dallas is also coming off of a buy. So that there, I think there's a handful of teams, I think three teams this season that play, two teams coming off a buy, and that's really where a lot of that rest disadvantage is coming from. Again, that doesn't mean that they can't navigate that, and I do think the December thing works in their favor a little bit more too. You made some notes around obviously having above average, I think a really good running back room. I think that matters here.

We've seen Aaron Jones really be prolific at times as a pass catcher and really running a lot of routes as a receiver. Actually, 29% of his targets last year came from a receiver alignment, either in the slot or out wide. And that number should increase this year without Devontae Adams. Again, like scheming up for a game is, I think, different. We saw that last year. I think it was that Arizona game where we saw a lot of Aaron Jones on the outside,

a lot of Jones and Dillon in the lineup together. We're going to see, I think, even more of that. But Daigle, I really am interested in your thoughts around the receiver room because there are, I think, so many, I would say, I guess, wide receiver threes on paper. But we really need a wide receiver one or someone to step up, I think, outside of Aaron Jones to really elevate this offense. Now, I do think that LaFleur and Rodgers can naturally do that, but someone has to emerge and step up here. Now, we're seeing lots of stuff on Romeo Dobbs. We know that they signed Sammy Watkins, who is

a lifetime wide receiver three outside of a couple of, you know, playoff games here and there. Alan Lazard's getting a lot of buzz. We know the trust with Rodgers, similar to Brady. We see this veteran element where they really need to trust someone. Is there someone that you trust that you're leaning to maybe in the prop market or in drafts that you think can really emerge? Well, ADP allows us to decide it.

And thus right now what's happening is that alan lazard is being treated as an alpha and although he does step into more opportunity he legitimately prior to last year when he had a career i hate touchdowns even though he didn't exceed 80 receiving yards in any game like he was not a touchdown scorer that's what he was in college oddly enough but in the nfl he was never treated as such and now he's getting jammed up to adam theelin range uh to devonta smith uh russell gage was also there tyler lockett he's ahead of tyler lockett actually and so like it's not a range where i'm interested in alan lazard at all and everyone had it's now returning it's now settling because of christian watson's slight knee surgery what they call a minor but everyone

had like the prospects wrong from the beginning we did our i did my rookie blurb for four on draft night and like if you ever watch film or like research these prospects like christian watson even having second round capital to romeo dupes it's pronounced dubs if you look at google but he said he just never corrected people so it's actually dupes this is the off season the way, of name changes across the NFL between Ken Walker and everyone else. Robbie Anderson, everyone's changed their names. But Christian Watson was actually a worse prospect than Dues this entire time.

6'4", 208, yes, that's what everyone was enticed by, but literally never played an FBS game his entire career, and even so, 13 13 drop rate and only a 30 contested catch rate so he didn't even know how to use his big body so it's not a player i wanted to draft anyhow but dubes on the other hand last two years in college still top four in the nation and yards 20 plus yards downfield like he is a true deep threat both in receptions and explosive plays that's how he gets the ball. We've also heard Aaron Rodgers talking about him in camp. Now that the seas have parted with both Watson and Sammy Watkins being

injured. So I actually think Romeo tubes is like the best way to go here. Even more so than Lazard at their respective ADPs. I did my pros versus Joe's the last of the pros versus Joe's last night, Tuesday night. And doobs actually went the 13th round. 80ps i did my pros versus joes the last of the pros versus joes last night tuesday night and dubes actually went the 13th round i think he's going to settle by the time we get to vegas for main event high stakes drafts he's going to settle around the 14th round honestly that's interesting i i think the offensive line is a question a little bit too right it's solid if everyone's

healthy but david bakhtiari was an issue last year. What's that? You don't think? No, no, no. I agree with you. I was sighing because you're right. Like Bakhtiari is big, man. Yeah. So like last year, it was almost like he's going to be back. And then they just kind of kept kicking the can down the road. And then he came back and was limited. And then it wasn't like, it was like new issues where they were having to drain the knee.

And then didn't end up playing in the playoff game after coming back for one. And now like reports in the last couple of days are that they're really handling him with kid gloves and they don't really have a timetable for him it's probably pretty smart we're still i guess in early august they don't need him out there you know doing everything in camp but his impact is massive because they also lost elkin jenkins with an acl late in the season last year as well so like even if one of them isn't there to start, they have a handful of rookies that someone's going to have to play and tackle. None of these kids play tackle in college.

That's an issue. Again, could be only an issue early in the season. But again, I don't know the Jenkins timeline, but it sounds like he's probably behind Bakhtiari, and that doesn't seem great either. So something to monitor as we come up in the next couple of weeks. Maybe there's some opportunities early in the season to look against the Packers if we have a nice matchup from a pass rush standpoint, but that's definitely on my radar.

You mentioned how they addressed the defense with the draft. I think last year they dealt with a ton of injuries. And then just the trickle-down effect. When you lose a guy like Jair Alexander, his absence was massive. They used both of those first-round picks on Georgia Bulldogs. Quay Walker, Devontae Wynn, massive talent upgrade for Joe Barry along the front seven. I think we see some more traditional base looks from Green Bay this year. Barry coached, as we know, in LA with Brandon Staley. And we heard a lot about that with Staley last year, who had basically just barely put seven in the box, never put eight in the box.

And that works a lot in LA when you have Aaron Donald. And we found that the Chargers didn't have a lot of success with that. They've attacked that in the draft as well in free agency. And I think you're going to see that a little bit here with, especially with the wind pick. I think you're going to see a little bit more of a traditional base set from Joe Barry. And again,

you put Alexander in there. He's a guy that you could put in a slot. You can allow him to do anything you need to do. You know, Eric Stokes is a really nice addition last year in the draft and played really well for them. I think this defense is much improved, even though a guy like Z'Darrius Smith went on and re-signed or signed as a free agent with Minnesota, who we'll get to in a minute. I still think this pass rush is good and there's a lot of talent in the back half.

So again, if the injuries can play themselves out, I think that that's why the Packers are still probably in the mix. They also were the worst special teams in the league last year. That showed up in a big way in the playoff game against the Niners with the two block kicks. Mason Crosby, I think is going to have to kick for his life if he hasn't already lost that job. I think they're looking to probably replace him. So, yeah, I think this is going to be – I think the division's a little closer. I think maybe because we want to talk about a sexy team like Dagle talked about with Minnesota, but the Packers aren't going anywhere unless something happens to Aaron Rodgers, and I think that's pretty straightforward.

Let's move on to the Vikings that we, I think, are all interested to talk about here. Vikings, 40-1 to win the Super Bowl. They are 20-1 to win the NFC. Again, another team that has some middling opportunities from a win total standpoint. There are eight and a halves out there, along with nine and a halves, depending on the juice. Nine and a half is minus 125 to the under. They are three to one to win this division. Middle of the pack from a strength of schedule standpoint, and they are flat in terms of rest so pretty big shift here uh rebuilding i think on the fly a little bit boring run first defensive minded coach mike zimmer is out replaced by uh former rams oc new head coach kevin o'connell

that alone should be reason for optimism we also have a new young analytical gm in place uh i think there's a lot of arrows pointing up overall, though they're walking both into a pretty good situation as far as a roster standpoint, just kind of need a talent maximizer. And again, you don't really see this upheaval that much on a team that is kind of kicking around in the middle. We typically see these teams that are, you know,

down in like the bears or the lions territory where you're, you're drafting at the top of the draft and redo the entire thing. But there's a lot of talent on both sides of the football here, Clark. We'd love to get your thoughts on the Vikings. Yeah, I'm generally optimistic, cautiously optimistic on the Vikings, but I'm a little more shy than I think a lot of people that are actually making bets on them because I think there's too many unknowns. And it starts with Kevin McConnell. I mean, we know what the Rams offense looked like last year, but there's two pieces of that Rams offense that don't exist in Minnesota,

and that's Sean McVay and Matthew Stafford. And Kirk Cousins is not Matthew Stafford. He may be able to put up some stats that might maybe rival Stafford, but there's an element of mind games that, again, Stafford plays, not to the extent Rodgers does, but Stafford is manipulating defenders with his eyes he's anticipating coverages he's calling out things Kirk Cousins is a very by the book kind of quarterback you know like when it's there he'll take it he's pretty accurate you know he feeds his studs and that's a good thing when you have

studs like Dalvin Cook and Justin Jefferson and Thielen but those two things are a little bit different and I'm not sure that Kirk Cousins will have the aggressiveness that Stafford had to make this offense work. If McConnell thinks he's going to translate what happened in L.A. over to Minnesota. I'm just not sure that I see the pieces summing up the same way they did in L.A. So I have a few concerns. The offensive line is also a big concern. Kirk Cousins doesn't do it any favors by holding onto the ball too long. A lot of times. So I'm kind of like,

wait and see, but they have the chance to challenge green Bay in this division. I'm just not ready to bet on it. What do you got? I'm going to sort of JD. I think they're going to be a significantly more fun offense in the past. Even with Matthew Stafford and Sean beve not there just the fact the rams still we expect them to carry over this scheme the vikings from los angeles and the rams

being top five and overall pass rate and no huddle rate last year whereas minnesota was practically league average in those metrics also under mike zimmer and the gary kubiak son clint kubiak still can't believe he was actually hired by the nfl at any point uh actually being fourth highest rate in run play rate in neutral game script the last two years we expect them to be more up tempo more explosive rams led the league in three wide receiver sets the vikings last year ranked 28th overall we expect them to play more three wide receiver sets. Dalvin Cook in particular, everyone's worried about his health, but when he's on the field, he crushes you.

He ends your life. And from 11 personnel in particular, since we expect Vikings to play more for his career, he's averaged 5.1 yards per carry, and that's 27% of his total carries in his career have come from 11 personnel. So I don't know how you stop the vikings first of all and even though they're getting some defensive players back i also don't really expect them to stop anyone especially how poor their secondary still

is so again i do lean on their eight and a half win total going over more than clark but i could also be persuaded the other day, other way. I just think this team is going to be so different and so much more fun and offer so many more explosive plays and opportunities to offer more explosive plays that I want to be higher on them still. Yeah. I think the three receiver set stuff, at least, you know, the 11 formation we'll see a little bit more because yeah, you mentioned that Vikings 42% of the time last year was one of the worst in the league and no team had more snaps, both with a fullback on the field. So I think we see that go down significantly. And then we also saw no team play under center without motion from a

dropback standpoint. It was like four and a half per game more than the next closest team, which again, doesn't seem like a ton, but like that's a pretty significant amount. That's like 10, 12% of your offensive plays at times. So, you know, those changes I think can lead themselves to just some more dynamic looks. You noted the success that Dalvin Cook has had running out of 11 personnel. So again, I think your concerns, Clark, around the offensive line are totally justified. I think that they have a young group that could have some potential. They put it all together,

especially on the outside of the tackle position. They have some improvements to do in the middle. But again, like they allowed the highest stuff rate in the league last season, meaning basically they're running backs were tackled at or aligned at or behind the line of scrimmage more than any other team. I think that's also like a scheme thing where they were just very predictable, very vanilla when you get lined up and you know that this team is going to run

on second and long when they have a fullback in there. You know, Devin Hamm, they're just going to run power all the time. And I think just being able to be more versatile pre-snap motion, more play action, some of these things that we've seen creatively at times out of, you know, McVay and McVay disciples. I'm hoping that we see at least part of that transfer over and should look very different than what we saw from Mike Zimmer, who we know loves to run. I'm a little bit more encouraged from the defensive side because I do think

that the secondary is poor, but Ed Donatell has been in the league forever. He's most recently the DC in Denver. He's going to be the new defensive coordinator. Also shifting back to a 3-4 base here, and I think that that's going to help them based off of a lot of the other personnel that they moved. We mentioned Zedaria Smith coming back. Danielle Hunter, he could stay healthy.

Both those guys barely played last year. This isn't elite, elite. We talk about some of the teams in the AFC West from a bookend, defensive end standpoint, but it's pretty damn good. And I think the secondary gets a little bit better with the two draft picks they grabbed, Andrew Booth and Louis Seane early in the draft this past April. Again, asking them to step into prominent roles

out of the gate is a big ask. But again, like Patrick Peterson played better last year in Minnesota because he was asked to play less man because we know that he's a liability there now. They could still do some of those things here in this base 3-4 look if they are in some more advantageous game situations. So I think there's ways to be encouraged on both sides of the ball. Again, they need a lot of health, and we need Kirk Cousins to play

maybe a little bit above average, and I think he's probably the antithesis of average quarterback when we think of the NFL. So from a schedule standpoint, only seven true road games. They play in London against New Orleans in week four. They do have back-to-back road games in the cold, in the division, which isn't great.

Green Bay and Chicago, but weeks 11 through 16 late in the season, they're all indoors. And that helps too, from an offensive output standpoint, maybe we can look at some overs or some team total overs. Because Daigle's right. There are questions with the secondary, and this could be an over team,

like we've talked about with Arizona last week or something like that. They do also play four games on short weeks against opponents. But since the NFC was gifted an extra home game, since they played an extra road game last year, actually they they looked into having all four of those short league games at home so their schedule i would argue like kind of favors them too i like the over but i think instead of laying the over on the because you're laying like minus 155 on the over eight and a half which is not something i love to do um i'm interested in maybe then make a playoff run plus 105 on Caesars to make the playoffs. We know that the AFC is significantly better.

NFC is fairly wide open. You know, you can make a case for a couple of different teams where, you know, whether it's a coin flip between Arizona or Minnesota or something like that, getting, you know, multiple bursts from a certain division. So that's kind of my look would be Minnesota plus 105. You also get the benefit of if the Packers do fall off for some reason, this division is theirs pretty much by default at that point. Yeah, the team preview for that comes out later tonight, actually,

and I'm changing it live. You're right. I had over eight and a half, but to make the playoffs is the better way to bet this, especially with literally how decrepit the NFC is, especially if you're like me and betting the under on the 49ers win total, then this thing is wide open.

No, it makes sense. Yeah, I think a little bit there's, I think, optimism and there's reason for them to be a little bit of a challenge to Green Bay. If Green Bay does have some of these injuries of the offensive line up front early, I think obviously over the course of 17 games, the Aaron Rodgers advantage is massive.

So I'm not super comfortable in saying three to one for them to win the division. I'll just be comfortable with maybe a playoff run. All right, Detroit, everyone's favorite team to talk about. The Lions are 150 to one to win the Super Bowl, 60-1 to win the NFC. This win total has been steamed massively. Six and a half is where it sits everywhere now. You can get an over on DraftKings.

There is a nice number, plus 105 on Fandle for an under, and they are 10-1 to win the division. Nice strength of schedule. They have the fifth easiest strength of schedule, and they are plus 11, one of the largest rest advantages in the league, which can lead to some of the optimism. They have been a popular team to bet on the preseason over the win total. As I mentioned, pounded early.

Dan Campbell, coach of the year odds, were absolutely destroyed. I understand some of the optimism. There are reasons to be encouraged, though I think we are still far away from a playoff team. Dago, what are your thoughts on the Lions? I hate this. I hate this team. I just hate the way they're being treated right now because, yes, they organizationally got it right,

but it's a lot like the Giants where there are still so many holes to poke, including the most important part of your team at quarterback where you're not making the playoffs with Jared Goff. Come on now. Let's all calm down just a bit. TJ Hawkinson is argued as one of the most explosive

tight ends in the league when he's done absolutely nothing with his career. He had career highs in his first year with Jared Goff last year in targets per game, target share, and catch rate, and even then, in fantasy at least, finished the tight end 15 in points per game. Literally one of the most overdrafted players at his position. I would argue, yet again,

one of the most overdrafted players at his position because he's being drafted into the wrong tier of what he's shown you so far. Also, remember, Anthony Lynn, last year, through week nine, got derailed because the Lions won one game. They said, screw this. We're going to Dan Campbell instead to call plays as he took over.

And then from week 10 on, even when they were trailing, they actually had from week 10 on the league's fifth highest run play rate whenever they were down by at least a score. So I'm not high on their play calling. Again, I believe in Dan Campbell if he has the right personnel in place, but I'm still wary about the defense and I'm still worried about the quarterback situation. So I am not as high on everyone as everyone else

on any of those odds, on team total, on coach of the year. I just don't believe in any of that personally. Yeah, the golf ceiling, I think, caps a lot of the optimists it's hard to argue that they didn't upgrade the offense in like a massive massive way on paper right and like well jamis we don't know when jamison williams going to play either we see hype we see hype videos but if he's not available for the first eight weeks of the season that wouldn't be shocking and by then what are they so So it's just not, it doesn't mesh with the Twitter echo chamber as usually life doesn't. We dealt with a ton of injuries last season too,

especially in the offensive line. COVID hit this team in a big way. See, they were forecasted starting offensive line, played zero games together, which again, that should probably come back to earth and have a little bit of regression. Also both backs, we had DeAndre Swift, Jamal Williams, both missed a good chunk of time.

At times, like we saw nothing but Amon Ross, St. Brown, when everyone else was just gone. We're looking at Josh Reynolds and, gosh, Craig Reynolds. Was it Craig Reynolds that had multiple weeks of starting? It's just not great. So, again, if they can stay healthy up front, it's a pretty good offensive line. I get why there's encouragement. Again, DJ Chark is a nice addition to stretch the field in a different way than they had last year. Again, not a great difference maker, but again, just an overall upgrade of talent. I'm with you though. The defense is a massive concern of mine.

Clark, what do you think about the Lions? For the Lions, I like to start with last year. We got a season's worth of Lions under Dan Campbell, who frankly were terrible. And I think people are missing that because they look at statistics like Pythagorean winds. If you look at the point differential in their games, they should have won maybe five, five and a half games. I can't remember the exact number. But that number is heavily skewed by massive amount of points scored when games were completely out of reach. I did the research on this and 19.1% of the Lions points scored in the whole season was scored in games where their win percentage was less than 1% at the time that they were scoring. So one fifth of their points were completely meaningless. And to put it in

perspective, the Giants were at 16%, the Jets were at 14.8%, the Jaguars were at 11%, and the Texans were 8%. So they were significantly more meaningless points than these other teams that were supposedly just as bad as they were. In my ratings, I had them winning about three and a half games. There were no games where they had an impressive win. They beat the Cardinals 30-12, but a couple things about that game really went their way, and it was kind of an even game in terms of yards per play, in terms of first downs, in terms of all those metrics, and my numbers had them as an even game,

but it was just kind of one of those games where, like, you know, the Cardinals miss a fourth down here, or there's, like, a dropped interception here, and it just kind of, you know, snowballs. Other than that, they beat the Vikings in a close one, and they beat the packers when the packers benched all their players in week 18 uh they tied the steelers when the steelers had mason rudolph at quarterback yeah and and they they just were not they were not a competitive nfl team and i get that they were unhealthy that they were injured a lot but i'm not convinced that the players that were injured were really that good to begin with

and and it's a lot of projection to say, you know, well, their offensive line is great. DeAndre Swift is great. Jared Goff is great when he has a good offensive line. I think all of that is kind of like yet to be seen. And you brought up the play calling. This is a major issue. Who's calling the plays for this team? You know, like when Jared Goff had Sean McVay whispering in his ear, he was pretty good.

And he also had a lot of weapons on that team. But who on the Lions staff is helping Jared Goff overcome his own weaknesses in the game? I don't see anyone. And so what we're going to see is a few more close games because they're going to be healthier. The offensive line is better. We're going to see some close games. But here's the thing. When you don't have a good quarterback and you don't have a good defense it's really hard to win those close games so

people want to talk about how the lions had a lot of close games they're gonna have a lot of close games again they're also not going to win those games so i think asking them to win seven after a season in which they won by my numbers around three and a half wins is a huge jump i think they're going to be better but i think they're going to be better of the tune to five or six wins as opposed to seven, eight, nine playoffs. Hell yes. Four for four is taking on the world. I love this because I do think the consensus is wrong about the lines. Totally. I just was scared to bring that opinion to the table because I didn't, I didn't realize Clark was going to have a similar opinion. I love it. I love it. I i mean i think it's really hard to survive in this league with a really really really bad secondary and the secondary is really bad i'll just say jared

golf but yeah yeah i mean obviously quarterback play for sure but i think there are times where like golf can be what 24th in the league that's not a difference maker that's not a guy that's pushing you to seven wins to clark standpoint but like to actually even compete, to be in close games, to win or close close games, the way the game's played. Now you either have to have an elite pass rush. And I think they'll have a better pass rush, right?

Aiden Hutchinson, Joss Pascal, both kids that they add in draft. Again, we're not asking a lot of the rookies, but again, the secondary is really bad. They need,

you know, they took Jeff Akuda third in 2020. Bad rookie year, got hurt, and missed the entire season in week one. He needs to come in and be that dude. And if not, they're really in trouble. Mike Hughes came over from KC, cashed in on a really good year in KC. But when you consider he's been in the league for three years, two healthy years, both of those seasons, he was the most targeted cornerback in the league. That tells you how much he's feared by other teams. He's just not. They started dudes in the secondary last year that I thought were creative player names. I try to stay pretty plugged in on the defensive side of the ball too. And there's just a lot of guys that I had not heard a lot of in a couple years and playoff you know like um practice squads and preseason games and these guys are going to be asked to step into a second year in that role and to kind of contribute and i just think that that's a big big ask um on the defensive side so i think there are gains made offensively but i'm with you like especially if the momentum continues to be on this team or we've gone from five and a half to

six and a half and now it's even. We're getting kind of flat juice on both sides. I would definitely lean under getting plus money on FanDuel at 6.5, I think is interesting. Now the schedule is nice. That's fantastic. But all those other teams think their schedule is nice too because they have the Lions on it.

So I think Clark makes some good points. I'd love to hear it. Yeah, I think, again, one of the hardest schedules last year, way harder, but like, I don't know, this is not a playoff team. I know people are betting on coach of the year and playoff. Coach of the year, they got to be what? They got to get to eight, nine, they got to get to nine wins and make the playoffs.

Like you're not going to have a coach of the year on a team that doesn't make the playoffs, right? Like that would be just, I don't know what we, what he would need to do i know that we love him he went from clown to just this beloved figure in a matter of weeks in the twitter sphere because he's just kind of adult with uh kneecap stuff and then like i do think there's something that that team really did rally around him and they weren't quitting they weren't punting for the first pick and i think that that is something where you can galvanize a locker room dudes still have to have talent go win on the field and i think that that's a massive problem for this team still yeah it's

also hard to maintain that kind of attitude when you keep losing and so you know we've seen in the past when when coaches stay on after a very unsuccessful season like they had last year, the record's not great the following year. And I think part of that is if you've had a bad season with that coach and you start the next year and you don't start well, it gets really hard to just maintain that level of intensity and enthusiasm when you're just losing and losing and losing. And so this is kind of one of those things where, like,

I think if they can win some games early, it can really swing their season attitude wise. But if they lose, you know, some of those early games, especially ones they think they can win. I don't know. I don't know where they muster it up from after that.

You know, it's kind of like he's, he's on the way out. This might be the only reason, maybe why they can get to six and seven and flirt is because they play the bears twice is maybe where Clark and I disagree a a little bit but the bears our final team here very similar future numbers uh from the lions they are 150 to one to win the super bowl 70 to one to win the nfc uh six and a half is the number for them as well overs plus money under you're having to lay a little bit of

juice and they are 14 to one to win the division. Fairly easy, similar to the Lions, playing a bottom schedule against a fairly easy inter-conference schedule. And they have a plus seven rest advantage. This new regime has its hands full. It is not uncommon for us to see an offensive-minded coach fired and replaced with a defensive-minded coach. That's what we have here. But you don't love to see it when you're looking to bank on a second year quarterback's growth it'd be a little bit easier for me to swallow if they were bringing in an experienced offensive play caller to support him that's not what the bears have done we have matt abrafloos over from the colts from a defensive coordinator standpoint and as the head coach a new offensive

coordinator and play caller will be lukeetze coming over from Green Bay. Never called plays in the NFL. Called plays, I think, a couple years ago with Mississippi State and then back in Division II 11 years ago. I'm sure he learned a lot from LaFleur and Rodgers. We talked about O'Connell in Minnesota. Maybe they'll do some of that stuff from a formation standpoint, but I think there are a lot more questions than answers here. Clark, I'll let you get started on the Bears. Okay.

Now, I'm not backing the Bears. This team has so many problems, it's hard to list them all. I think you did a pretty good job. Justin Fields as a rookie really struggled with his progressions. He struggled throwing accurately from the pocket on short passes. He did have some really nice deep throws, which is kind of funny. He also was incredible out of the pocket. It's like as soon as his feet started actually moving, he can make plays.

And I'm not looking to fade this team for that reason. And it's because, you know, there's different types of quarterbacks. And when a quarterback like Andy Dalton is bad, you're talking about a guy that sits in the pocket, has to read defenses. When a guy like that is bad and has a bad offensive line and bad receivers, it goes downhill fast and there's no redemption. There's just nothing you can do. But when you have a quarterback like Justin Fields who can create plays on the run, he can make teams that even don't have a lot of talent perform at a high level against bad defenses because he can basically create winning opportunities for anybody. Anybody who's an NFL caliber receiver

can run around long enough if Justin Fields can create five, six seconds of time to get open. And we saw it last year with Jalen Hurts. We've seen it with Lamar Jackson. Neither of those quarterbacks had good receivers in their blow up years, but they still performed at a high level and won a lot of games because they can create that offense. And so I'm not looking to fade the Bears because their rock bottom doesn't look the same as a team that doesn't have a quarterback like Justin Fields. And I'll talk a little bit more about the offensive line in a few minutes, but I just want to give you guys a chance to talk as well. What do you got, JD? I just want to give you guys a chance to talk as well. We got JD. Well, you set me up to talk about the offensive line since the bears literally spent the second fewest second, least amount of money on their offensive line,

which is concerning since under pressure, that's where Justin field struggle, 46% completion rate, 5.3 yards per attempt. And the third fewest third, amount of cap that's what i should say uh in terms of their wide receiver room didn't add to their offense in the draft until their third overall pick in the third round which infamously was velas jones who remember is five months older than teammate darnell mooney and didn't produce more than 280 receiving yards

until literally his sixth year in college. I have no hope for him whatsoever in the NFL. Also, for their defense, that's where I look at and say, this is going to be an absolute mess because as much as I worry about Justin Fields being under pressure from this poor offensive line, they lost Eddie Goldman, Akeem Hicks, and Bilal Nichols. Larry Ongojobe, remember, that contract failed through because he failed his physical. And that's with them already finishing 27th overall

and pressure rate last year and then trading Khalil Mack. So overall, there is literally, outside of Justin Fields, having perhaps even biased promise when I look at him. Unlike the Giants, this team did nothing to strip down everything, and it seems like they're already building it up incorrectly. So there's no hope, and I feel like Justin Fields is going to lose another year of development. So that's where I stand with the Bears. I am definitely more worried about them than Clark is. What are your offensive line thoughts, Clark? I think that our metrics for judging offensive line play are highly flawed

because the quarterback in the scheme plays such a big role in how easy the job is of the offensive lineman. But I think things like, you know, what PFF does where they watch every snap and they grade, you know, on a scale of, I think like one to five or something, how well did this, you know, this person perform in their assignment in this past blocking situation this run blocking assignment i think espn does a similar thing because think about it like this like if your quarterback doesn't read pressure well he's not going to set up the right blocks and that's going

to lead to a bad situation where you're more likely to lose if your quarterback sits in the pocket and doesn't read that pressure coming off the edge, it's more likely to lead to a bad play. But if you have a quarterback who can escape, like let's say you're the left tackle and the quarterback rolls right, you really just kind of have to push that edge like, you know, backwards and he's not going to be part of the play. And so it's less likely that that lineman is going to get a negative grade on that play because his job is just so much easier. And so I did some research and I looked at the PFF offensive line team grades in the years where Lamar Jackson had his first year as a starter, Jalen Hurts had his first year as a full-time starter, and Kyle Murray had his first

year as a full-time starter because these were the guys that I think have comparable mobility to Justin Fields. And before the season, in all three of those years, the PFF grade for the offensive line of those teams was nine spots lower than it was at the end of the year. So in Baltimore, it went from 11th at the beginning of the year to second at the end. In Arizona, it was 21st at the beginning to 12th at the end. And then in Philly, it was 13th at the beginning to fourth at the end. And so I think what happened in those cases is when you go from immobile quarterback to a quarterback who can create outside the pocket, you just make their job easier. And so they improve, I guess, by the grades, just by having an easier job. So I think

what we what we're dealing with here is not the worst offensive line in the league. I think by the end of the year, it's going to be sort of, you know, 20th or so, which is still not great. And I'm still not optimistic about the team. But I think it lowers some of my concern about this being a complete downhill mess. Actually, in the ESPN metric, the pass block win rate, they were sixth last year. So they were actually favorable. I think that adds to your point there.

Because I am, and I think maybe like Dagle too, I want to be bullish on Justin Fields as a talent, but I'm concerned that this is going to be another lost year. And I want to be encouraged. Like I said, like I'd have so much more confidence if I felt good about what I know from the play caller. And I imagine he'll take stuff from what he had from the floor and learn from that. Um, as we're expecting, you know, Kevin O'Connell to do, um, we often do that, right? It's just the transit or property of, of coaching where you were before we expect you to, to do some of those same things.

That's the big caveat is the play calling has to maximize his talent. If they transited him in the pocket, this isn't going to go well. They're going to have to design plays for him to succeed. And it's a lot of what ifs with a new staff. But if you look at the Eaglesagles last year you know people were saying the eagles are going to lose more games than any other team i remember i think it was pff they said the eagles are going to we're betting on them to win the fewest games in the nfl we were talking about you know their offensive line struggled at the end of the year the year before we're talking

about how they didn't have any receivers how they have a new coach we don't know what this coach is going to be calling all of these same issues were true of the Eagles last year, and they won nine games because they had an easy schedule and a mobile quarterback. And so I think the Bears having an easy schedule is really the only thing that allows them, in my opinion, to potentially flirt with going over that win total, if not fail miserably.

I also wonder just how much it matters even if he does manage to succeed. Like I think about Deshaun Watson leading the league in passing yards in 2020 and that Texan team won four games overall. Watson that year also finished fifth and completion rate 20 plus yards downfield. I expect Justin Fields for instance unlike last year year, he ran the ball 72 times total. Literally only two of those were design runs by Matt Nagy. An absurd rate. He finished top five in true scrambles among quarterbacks. I expect that to increase the design runs at least.

So they will get him, presumably, out in the open more. And unfortunately, for better or worse, he carried over those traits from college in that he was still poor under pressure in college. He was still poor against the Blitz in college. open more and unfortunately for better or worse he carried over those traits from college and that he was still poor under pressure in college he was still poor against the blitz in college but when left clean he was still one of the more accurate passers he was the most accurate passers entire class 20 plus dollars downfield so if they can just roll him out more which maggie which naggy did not do at all like there is promise there i just still don't know if it even matters when he looks up and it's only byron pringle and velas jones running downfield so saint brown that's why that's why i'm a little worried

and but to your point though clark like it's not like the win total is going up or down like they're still somehow in my opinion only at six and a half at fandal it's only juiced to minus 145 under like that's not even threatening you could still just lay it right now if you want to and so that's why i still lean personally to get the plus money and go alt under five and a half wins but then again like if you if you like the over just because of justin feels i think that's okay too it's not egregious in my opinion yeah and and the other thing that we haven't touched on with this is how if they call design runs correctly and well designdesigned runs, your overall run game improves. We've seen this time and again.

It's basically like you have another offensive lineman because instead of the quarterback handing the ball off and being out of the play, the quarterback is a potential runner. So as a linebacker, you're running in and now you don't know which way to commit to. It causes you to stay off the line for another half a second, which can be all it

takes to create a six-yard run that would have been a two-yard run. And so the running backs can be more efficient when the quarterback has designed runs in his arsenal. And so I think there's just a lot of ways that this team outperforms its talent level, which is extremely low. Yeah, I think that's right. The defense, as Dago lined up, still massively concerned. They didn't do a lot to replace those guys.

A lot of those guys missed time last year, but then we saw what happened. And now we're asking, they didn't have a first-round pick because of the Justin Fields trade the year before, and they had two early picks in the second and added two guys in the secondary that they need to step in and play immediate snaps. And again, that's okay. Sometimes that works.

It's just a big ask when they didn't do anything else from a talent standpoint. It's going to be a below average pass rush. They're not going to do a lot to support this team. They tried to hide. They played a, they did not want their nickel package on the field last year. They knew their secondary was bad. I think obviously, you know,

it reflux with his background is a fairly vanilla cover to guy historically. Like they don't do a lot of dynamic things. Again, maybe he's got some new plans. It'll be different when he's in charge, but it's a combination of both the offense and the defense. I can be sold on the fact that Justin Fields' talent prevails and he, you know, high tide, raise all ships kind of thing on the offensive line and masks some of the offensive line issues

and can make Velas Jones or Byron Pringle a thing and they could do enough to get him to be decent. But yeah, I mean, I took the alt under at five and a half because there's, that is just way too many ifs and it was plus money. And I just feel like this, this team is, again, I know the schedule is nice, but I don't know. I just, I worry about what's going to happen here and they just don't know that they have any close games and his, his pressure numbers worried me from last year.

So I think you make great points, Clark. And I think that doing that research on where those Russian quarterbacks were, I think is a really cool note. And I think that that will be something that we'll reference when we see kind of how the bears are doing. And if they start to have some good success in the season, I think that that will play itself out as some, as a pretty good work. So yeah, under on the bears for me still, I think that will play itself out as some pretty good work. So, yeah, under on the Bears for me still.

I think we're all in agreement. I didn't want to sell Clark as a Bears backer here, but I knew that he was a Justin Fields homework he had done and he felt good about it. So, I respect that work. So, we'll go around and you gentlemen can give me your favorite way to bet the NFC North. Diggle, I'll start with you.

I think it is Vikings to make the playoffs a plus money. I still like they're over eight and a half, honestly. But as both of you mentioned, making the playoffs is so much safer given the discrepancy and just how wide open the NFC overall truly is behind the buck. So definitely Vikings to make the playoffs. Yeah, again, Caesars is the best number there. Plus one Oh five. There's a minus one Oh five on MGM.

Otherwise, most of the other places are minus one, 10 minus one 15. Clark, what do you got? I hope Eric eager is not listening, but I'm making mine lions under six and a half wins on circuit. You can get a plus one 10.

That's what I played it at. You can also get Fandul plus one Oh five. I think that a plus 110. That's what I played it at. You can also get FanDuel plus 105. I think that's fine too. I just think that the optimism has gotten a bit out of control and disconnected from what we saw on the field last year. Love it. Yeah. I'm with Dagle on the Vikings to make the playoffs. Like I said, again, I took an alt under multi-unit play on the Bears under five and a half. So those will be my favorite ways to bet it. I think it's an interesting division.

I think that they're, again, like the Minnesota thing could be interesting. I do think that, again, if we get a full season of Aaron Rodgers, Packers will win this division again regardless of the questions at the receiver position. But, again, a little bit more interesting than it's been in the past. Even the – we could be down a little bit on the Lions, down on the Bears, but at least the storylines I think are a little bit more interesting than it's been in the past. We could be down a little bit on the Lions, down on the Bears, but at least the storylines, I think, are a little bit more interesting than they were last year.

Matt Nagy, Bears were pretty boring in all senses last year. Good stuff, gentlemen. Dagle, what do you got coming up on the site? Team preview is already halfway done. I'm hoping to have, I should have 20 by Friday, and then we really kick into gear next week to finish this thing out but also they're being updated for camp news so i've already had to update six for injuries between james washington and van jefferson deshaun watson news all discussing adp since i'm heavy in the ffpc high stake streets right now so definitely just tune into that and

then um a couple more one-off articles every Friday for the rest of the off season. Clark, you got some more stuff coming. Yeah. I've got an article right now where it has all my week one bets. I've actually played six or seven games already on week one, because if I feel good about the number, I'm just going to play it, you know, and trust that, that, you know,

I'm beating the market and some of them have already moved. So you don't, you won't get them all, um there's still some numbers out there that i like and and i it's never too early to take them in my opinion i have far too much money for august 3rd on that jacksonville hook i'll just say that much yeah me too yeah that's that feels like the clark game at four for four for sure in the discord we got i think the hook is gone the hook is gonna be gone by the way so yeah i got four and a half and then the money line is also tasty it's tasty oh i didn't i didn't think about that gosh don't make me i don't want like half my net worth on jacksonville by august 3rd for a month down the road join the dark side should be interesting um i'm working on a piece that will tell you the best way to bet every team win total.

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