Move The Line - Expert NFL Week 15 2023 Player PROP BETS | Top Picks, Predictions & Odds | Cooper Kupp & More!

Episode Date: December 15, 2023

Dive into the thrilling world of NFL Week 15 and explore the 2023 season's standout player prop bets. Your ultimate guide for expert insights on top selections, NFL forecasts, and betting odds, now sp...otlighting the exceptional Cooper Kupp alongside other pivotal players. We provide unique perspectives on the most enticing NFL player prop bets for Week 15, perfect for both experienced wagerers and those new to the scene.Our goal is to elevate your betting journey with tactical wisdom and professional advice, helping you to achieve greater triumphs in your NFL Week 15 betting endeavors.CHAPTERS:0:00 Intro3:42 DK Metcalf Prop Bet6:27 Cooper Kupp Prop Bet10:57 Trey McBride Week 15 NFL Bet14:38 Bills-Cowboys Parlays16:14 Sam Howell Prop Bet19:07 Jayden Reed Prop Bet23:57 Derek Carr Prop Bet27:55 Tony Pollard Week 15 NFL Prop Bet30:05 Courtland Sutton Bet37:45 Tackle Props41:41 Audience Questions1:03:00 OutroSubscribe to 4for4's Betting Package 👉🏼  https://www.4for4.com/plansSign-up on FanDuel Today 👉🏼 https://www.4for4.com/go/fanduelFollow 4for4 on Twitter 👉🏼  / 4for4football  Follow 4for4 Bets on Twitter 👉🏼  / 4for4bets  Follow Move the Line on Twitter 👉🏼  / movethelinenfl  Follow Connor on Twitter 👉🏼  / connorallennfl  Follow Ryan on Twitter 👉🏼  / rynoonan  Follow John on Twitter 👉🏼  / sloprules  Visit our Website 👉🏼  https://www.4for4.com/Join our Discord 👉🏼  / discord  Subscribe to our YouTube Channel 👉🏼  https://4for4.co/3OupraJ4for4 Betting Strategy Hub 👉🏼  https://4for4.co/3hm39cw4for4 Betting Picks 👉🏼  https://4for4.co/3LUp0EaNFL Betting Odds & Predictions 👉🏼 https://4for4.co/3nsW9QU 

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Hello and welcome to the Move the Line Prop Drops show presented by FanDuel Sportsbook. I'm Ryan Noonan, back to talk about the best way, the most profitable way to bet on NFL football, and that is through player props. We are live here 2 p.m. Eastern every Friday on the 4 for 4 Bets YouTube channel. We are here to hand out our favorite player props of the week and to take your questions. So if you are hanging out with us now on YouTube,
Starting point is 00:00:40 we appreciate that very much. Jump in the chat, let us know what your favorite player prop look is for the week. Board is pretty full and populating more now as we go. So maybe it's something that's not out there yet or something that you like, you want to get our opinion on, or you just want some life advice. Obviously, you've been hanging out with us all season. You know that we are very, very well equipped to help you with all aspects of your life. Jump in the chat. Let us know what your thoughts are there. If you like the podcast version, you missed out on the chat,
Starting point is 00:01:10 but also that's going to be in your podcast feed on Friday evenings as well. No matter where you consume it, subscribe, supports the show and free content. We appreciate that very, very much. Joining me here as always, Conor Allen. What's going on, buddy? Not a whole lot.
Starting point is 00:01:24 Excited for the weekend. I don't know why this week felt super long. Like I was just dragging. You know, I'm ready to get after a little bit, have a couple of brewskis over the weekend. But, you know, excited. Last week we had some live Jamal Williams props on the show, and those were just absolute hammers.
Starting point is 00:01:38 So, yeah, I'm excited for this week, and maybe we'll get some more live looks. Who knows? Back in the middle. You know, we got him in the middle of the stream where he belongs where he operates like yeah right like you know you gotta feed the big man in the middle uh you know d bro did a great job filling in last week a lot of people were saying that he was you know a younger less attractive version of the man himself from oz jam back where he belongs john hyslop what's going on buddy
Starting point is 00:02:04 what's up guys i gotta? What's up, guys? I got to be honest with you. I almost made it last week. Like, almost. Like, it was, I was probably 15 minutes too late. But I was to the point where I was, like, getting ready to send a message. Because I was like, I want to come on. And I was like, you know what?
Starting point is 00:02:18 I'm going to make it. But then I'm glad I didn't send the message because we did not make it. Trying to hold it out without you. You know, we missed you here for sure. Shout out to D-Bro Fantasy Pros for coming in. We just wanted to, you know, stay in the archetype where like people could just kind of like, if they had it on the background, they weren't sure that it wasn't you or not. Because, you know, we tried to make sure that we just wanted to cross off all the bald guys that we knew before.
Starting point is 00:02:40 And luckily, we didn't have to get too far down the list. D-Bro said yes. What about Daigle? You know, we've done too many shows with Daigle over the years. People know him. I was just making sure he wasn't on the outs. He's in the circle of trust.
Starting point is 00:02:57 Yeah, we just wanted to mix it up a little bit. We love Daigle around these parts. What do I remind folks here? Two episodes of Move Align each week. This is obviously prop drop, game previews. If you're looking more talking ball, game previews, sides and totals, stuff like that. It's Connor, myself, and Sharp Clark.
Starting point is 00:03:14 That's 3 p.m. Eastern on Wednesdays as well. Same podcast feed, same YouTube channel. Check it out. If you want all the official plays, you want to get into the Discord where really where the magic happens. Absolutely love our Discord community. That is, I think, the crown jewel of the betting sub. That's where all the official plays are pushed out. You get access to everything on our site, including
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Starting point is 00:04:07 First play for week 15. Yeah, we're about to get real spicy real fast here. So I'm going to go with DK Metcalf over 61.5 receiving yards. Honestly, I just think that this is way too low given the matchup, given what we're going to see in this game here. I really like Philly's ability to score in this game against Seattle. I think they're going to have success running the ball. I think they're going to have success throwing the ball. And on the other side here, like Seattle is in a spot where Gino Smith is looking good in practice. I think he comes back
Starting point is 00:04:36 and he plays in this spot here. And the Eagles secondary, we talked about it in the past. I mean, they are just getting wrecked at certain times. They've allowed 17 wideouts already to clear 60 receiving yards, 10 of them to clear 80, and six to clear 105 passing yards. So I not only like this baseline at 61.5, but I think that over 82.5 and over 104.5, which are draft kings right now, plus 205 on 82.5 under all receiving yards, and 104.5 all yards is plus 500 on draft kings.
Starting point is 00:05:04 They have like a pricing error kind of like from time to time and so they'll give you like they're they have like two sections they have like an x plus receiving yards and then they have an alt receiving yards the alt receiving yards lines are like almost always better so if you can get down more on those uh i would recommend that again just doing like 0.1 units on the alts but uh to win a unit on the regular one there, I'm excited. I know he got ejected last week, but I think this line, once Geno's officially in, is going to be like high 60s by the time it closes.
Starting point is 00:05:33 Yeah, and that's, I think, probably why you're getting a little bit of a discount too there. And that's just to clarify, it's a full game line, right? We'll see. I think he hits it in the first half, but we'll see. In the first quarter, he gets the Cowboys. Yep. Pretty good stuff.
Starting point is 00:05:47 First drive. And I like the call-out, too, with the DK. It's hard because we try to do our best, and we have a bunch of tools on the site. We're going to help you shop lines and get a sense of different stuff we've partnered with Unabated. You can grab our projections, pull them into the Unabated screen, and run that stuff in there, too.
Starting point is 00:06:04 Some of the alts are hard. You got to actually do the work. Like, you know, pulling in API to shop alt menus is super difficult and challenging to do, as I'm sure Slop could tell you about what happens at odds jam too. Like it's just really, really tricky to do. So you got to do the work and I think Connor did it for us here. So I liked that quite a bit. Yeah, that probably steams up a little bit when we get the official Geno news. i like it all right so where we at buddy what's the first play for uh week 15
Starting point is 00:06:29 all right so since connor went spicy i'm gonna i'm gonna go a little bit spicy um this one is it last year probably wouldn't have been this but uh how about cooper cup i'm gonna hang on let me just make sure i got the exact number in front of me it is i'm gonna go 110 at plus 310 110 plus receiving yards all right so he looked healthy last week i don't know if you guys saw the against the ravens like he looked like Cooper Cup again. And his line of FanDuel is 72.5 right now. Everywhere else is 76.5. So there is that.
Starting point is 00:07:11 So you'd have to do this at FanDuel. Don't go to Caesars or DraftKings just because their 110 is going to be a little bit lower than plus 310. But they've got the commanders. And I think you just play receivers against the commanders. That's just the play. On the season, no team in the NFL has allowed more receiving yards to the wide receiver position. He's playing inside this week, so they're not going to get any weather. Matthew Stafford looks great. I think that the commanders can have a little bit of success against the Rams defense,
Starting point is 00:07:42 so we can get a little baby shootout going but 110 plus for Cooper Cup I mean a lot of guys that that's a big number but that's that's not a lot for him that's definitely not plus 310 in my book yeah Stafford's cooking too I mean he's playing such good football uh I like that yeah we think he looked healthy last week Connor any uh any thoughts there I mean he's obviously coming off of the game against a significantly more difficult competition with the Ravens. Now he's in weather. Now Slop said going home in the dome against the Commanders, that's a pretty nice landing spot for Cooper Cupp to keep it going.
Starting point is 00:08:16 Yeah, no, I'm interested in that game. I wonder, like, he might just get there, like, you know, 250 passing yards in the first half. I think we might see, like, Cooper Cupp just go off in the first half. I think we might see like Cooper Cubs go up in the first half and then if they get up too much, like they might run the ball a ton. Kieran Williams rushing prop is 20 and a half carries this week. I mean, that is bananas. That is insane.
Starting point is 00:08:34 But I don't think it's that crazy. He just gets 20 carries basically every game because – It must have moved up in the last hour or so because that's coming down the line here on the show. Is it? Okay. All right. Well, I mean, I was going to talk about it. Not necessarily here on the show. So is it? Okay. All right. Well, I mean, I was going to talk, I wanted to talk about it.
Starting point is 00:08:46 Not necessarily. Yeah. So it was like a lot. It's high. That's a lot. I mean, but there's, it's just really tough to see him not getting fed either. So yeah, I think that that's a, it's an interesting look. I mean, this commander's defense is just so, so bad.
Starting point is 00:09:01 I consider taking like a Stafford attempts under two for that kind of reason, because like they're so bad, like're just gonna allow like chunk gains like they're not gonna make stafford throw like seven eight yards gonna be like 20 yards 25 yards six kieran williams runs and then a touchdown like that's we're probably gonna see that here as well yeah i'll just talk here because it's not an official play it's it's like a um a lead into my spicy section just to while we're on the subject. Part of it too, and we talked about it on the game preview show, like, yeah, they love to throw the football, and this is the best spot to throw the football in the league
Starting point is 00:09:31 is against the commanders and at home for sure. So I love, I still love Slop's thoughts around anything in the passing game, Cooper Cup specifically. But this is one of the most drastic teams in terms of like pass run splits in the league when they're in a advantageous game script when they are leading in the second half only the dolphins and niners have a better or a higher run rate than the ramps they love to put the ball in kyron williams belly over and over again last two weeks tough way tougher matchups against the browns and the Ravens.
Starting point is 00:10:05 And we're worried about like 19 and a half, 20 and a half, like 21 and 25. And those games are way tougher than what's going to happen here. I feel way better about the second half game script where the Rams are playing from ahead. So it's a little high. It's not like a play for me,
Starting point is 00:10:22 but like the alt rushing overs, I think are fantastic too. Like 95 plus is plus 110, 125 plus plus 310 like those are very much interesting to me they're not as like spicy as we get in the spicy section but i just wanted to highlight that i think that you know he's in a really great spot where it was on my notes this week i was thinking man 17 and a half uh you were actually gonna smash kyron rushing but yeah 19 is a little rich. Now we're moving to 20.
Starting point is 00:10:47 Still kind of like it to be honest. It just is. It's, it's, it's hard to get there. So that's my Kyron thoughts, but yeah, and I'll give you my actual play actual play first on the board for me here
Starting point is 00:10:57 for, for week 15, we were going to go with Trey McBride over five and a half receptions. This is plus money. If you have prop builder plus 103, Caesars plus 102, DraftKings MGM plus 100. He is absolutely getting this done here. Since Zach Ertz has gone down,
Starting point is 00:11:18 he has been an absolute wagon. 6.8 receptions per game, just under nine targets per game. It's like 30% target share, which is like top level wide receiver one type of workload here. Since Kyler's been involved, seven catches, nine targets in three of the four games. Again, in a spot against the Niners where they're going to be playing from behind, this is going to be, feels like a really nice volume spot for McBride. And I think we're getting a discount because of the perception of the Niners defense.
Starting point is 00:11:46 And when I dug in a little bit, I think sometimes like DVP stuff can be a little bit noisy, but I want to look at it. Like the Niners are middle of the pack in terms of like targets and receptions to tight ends. They haven't a lot of like a lot of touchdowns. So like fantasy points against they're really low,
Starting point is 00:12:00 but that's not what we're doing here in the prop market. So it doesn't really matter. And then when you look at like the tight ends that they faced, they've faced a garbage slate of tight ends. Look at the last couple of games. We have Seattle. They run like three tight end rotation. Philly without Dallas Goddard.
Starting point is 00:12:15 That doesn't count. Seattle again. Cade Otten against Tampa Bay. Otten caught four or five targets. Same with Jacksonville. It was a wonky game. 49 plays for the Jags, but Ingram caught four or five targets. Same with Jacksonville. It was a wonky game, 49 plays for the Jags, but Ingram caught four balls there.
Starting point is 00:12:27 Same, Irv Smith, four balls for Cincinnati in a rotation. Last time they played a meaningful actual tight end one, Hawk caught 11 to 12 targets. So I think we're actually getting a discount comparatively to how he's been playing because it's the Niners, and we're getting it at plus money. So Slop, any thoughts on McBride? Some people are calling him baby Gronk here.
Starting point is 00:12:48 I am a big McBride guy. I've been on him for a while. I think I took him once on the show and he lost, but I forgave him already. And I think we should give him another chance to win our money back. I like it. Connor, any thoughts on McBride?
Starting point is 00:13:01 I think it's the Niners are getting us a discount here. I will have an official play on the same team in a different market, but I don't want to leak that yet because it's not widely available. But, yeah, I like where your head's at. I think this is solid. I think we're going to see the Niners just absolutely whip the Cardinals' defense. We're going to see negative game script in some aspect. I just don't know the best way to play it.
Starting point is 00:13:26 It looks like Marquise Brown is going to be back, but I don't think that's really mattered that much. I mean, he just runs wind sprints. He's just out there doing cardio most of the time. So yeah, it's not too big. He's not like a target hog or anything, so I don't think it matters so much. Yeah, I think I know what your other play is when that comes out.
Starting point is 00:13:41 I think I like it. I'm pretty sure. So that's not going to make an appearance in the show, right? Because we don't have enough. No, no, no, no. We'll make an appearance on the show. Yeah. All right.
Starting point is 00:13:52 Spicy section. We all get a little spicy there. Again, you could probably take alts if you want. I mean, Brad, I'm fine with, again, five and a half plus money. That's obviously probably on the move now. But yeah, I just think this is probably at least minus 115 minus 120 if it's not the niners uh and again he's you know seven and three or four with uh with kyler in there so uh connor spicy section let's go where we go in alts inverse stuff round
Starting point is 00:14:18 robin stuff same game parlay where are we going bud yeah i think so i think you can do some interesting stuff here on like draft kings or fandos a fando doesn't have alts for this uh eagles uh game yet but i think that would be a fun game to like just you know same game parlay a bunch and just kind of like go all in on that um not really too worried about any any weather or anything there and then the other one that i am a little bit concerned about weather, but like I want to play some overs is like now this Buffalo Dallas game. I did play Dak Prescott attempts over early in the week. And then because there's no weather concerns.
Starting point is 00:14:53 And then now as we're getting closer, there are becoming weather concerns like 15 mile per hour winds, some rain. I don't think it's like bordering. It's not really like a big concern. But I do think that that game would be you know a lot of fun to kind of like stack so i think putting in like some deck passing overs there is interesting um putting in like you know a josh allen prop as well maybe maybe go back to rushing i mean god what a horrible beat last week on the josh allen rushing prop it was we had slop
Starting point is 00:15:21 out i'm you know i don't think you were paying attention but we had 34 rushing yards we had slop out. I don't think you were paying attention. But we had 34 rushing yards. We had over 32 and a half. He had 34. Two kneel downs put him at 32. Oh, yeah, the old kneel down. I hate that. Yeah, only because Tony was lined up an inch off sides because Patrick Holmes couldn't complete a couple more passes
Starting point is 00:15:38 because literally if there was 40 seconds left, the game was over. Because there was like a minute left. He had two deal downs. We lost. Um, but yeah, no, I don't know. I think that there's a lot of different ones. I think DK Metcalf is going to be like my core, you know, uh, round Robin leg, like one Oh five plus at plus 500 is just like the nuts. I'm going to have, you know, maybe some, some buddies go over to the kiosks and, uh, try
Starting point is 00:16:01 and round round Robin, some stuff there, but figuring out some other legs. I'm curious if you guys have any other good ones here that we can add to the pile here. Slop, where are we getting spicy? I know you guys are going to hate this. So, I mean, just earmuff it if you have to. But Sam Howell, 325 right now is plus 360. If you want to do 300, you can do it.
Starting point is 00:16:27 I think it's plus 198. I don't think that's crazy. I mean, he has done this against teams that you wouldn't think, right? So I think they get behind. I think he has to throw it. That's just how the commanders roll. And the Rams just gave up 316 last week to Lamar Jackson. The week before that, Joe Flacco,
Starting point is 00:16:46 I think, was like off his couch throwing for 250 against them. So I mean, it's not like this defense is very good. One thing that Sam Howell does do is throw for 300 yards. I mean, he's done it a million times this season. He did it against the Patriots, which is, you know, that's not easy to do. He did have a stinker against the Dolphins. I kind of hold that against them. But before that, let me see, Dallas 300, Seattle 312, New England 325, 397 against Philly, 388 against Chicago. I mean, at what point, like really, it's two to one? He throws for 300 yards when they're getting their asses kicked?
Starting point is 00:17:23 I mean, okay, like since I'll take it, like, why not? I like it quite a bit. I mean, he's, like you said, he's been doing it consistently all season. It's what they want to do. They love to throw the football, regardless of the game script. They're going to come out checking the ball. Colorado's are pretty good. You can add those to the round robin legs.
Starting point is 00:17:40 Any thoughts on how? Brian Robinson out, too, so that, like, I think decreases the chances that I'm trying to grind the clock at all. LA, just kind of the way they play defense too, I think kind of fits really well with what Sam Howell can do. You know, just like throws the ball a ton. They play a lot of zone. He'll probably just be able to kind of throw it
Starting point is 00:17:54 to like Logan Thomas a bunch. That's something I'm eyeing and probably got to look more into because I think that there's definitely some value on some overs there. I'm just not really sure how to approach it yet. But yeah, Sam Howell will look as good. Yeah, like two to one on 300 passing yards there is pretty nice.
Starting point is 00:18:07 I think that's solid. I do want to make one thing clear though. I'm not saying I think this guy's good. Like I don't know if I'm in or out on him. I think I'm out, but like, so I'm not saying he's good. I'm just saying he just throws for 300 yards all the time. It's crazy. Yeah, this is not a football evaluation show.
Starting point is 00:18:24 This is a prop show, right? Yeah, we're good. You want to get your hands dirty, get on the tape. We might do that on Wednesdays. We're not doing that on Fridays. What's that on Fridays at 4? Just throwing up eggs. You got other legs, right?
Starting point is 00:18:37 You got the Cooper Cup leg. We have done this before in the same vein when we were doing the – I think it was the Commander's dolphins game, actually, you know, with especially with B Rob out, you can throw in Antonio Gibson receptions. He's probably more involved in the passing game, starting to build some legs on the same game parlay there that I think makes a ton of sense. So, all right. With, with slop in mind again, like it was only gone one week. I really want to celebrate his return,
Starting point is 00:19:02 you know, cause we missed him last week. So we're going to go to a guy who owes us money, and that's a slopism, one of my favorites. This guy doesn't owe me money necessarily, but he owes my subscribers money. He owes my friend Connor money. And when you owe my friend Connor money and you owe subscribers money, you owe me money.
Starting point is 00:19:19 That's family to me. These are my people, okay? Jaden Reed let us down last week. Connor had a great handicap to play jayden reed like receiving yards over the dude caught eight balls on 10 targets and somehow still managed to massively come under his receiving problem so you know what we got to do here we have to go ahead and build a little bit of an inverse uh correlated parlay here because look what happened last week?
Starting point is 00:19:46 Why did it happen? They blitzed a ton. The Giants blitzed a ton. They love to get pressure. And Jaden Reed is like a target hog on the season, especially with Christian Watson out, especially against the Blitz. So who else blitzes a ton? The Bucs.
Starting point is 00:20:02 Todd Bowles loves to bring the Blitz 38.9 third in the league so i think we see a very similar approach than what we saw last week with a game plan defensively of how to defend the packers so eight catches 27 yards last week five of his 10 targets were behind the line of scrimmage 1.2 averaged up the target um look we just go right back to the well over four and a half receptions under 54 and a half receiving yards on FanDuel. That's plus 673. We're asking him to do something that he did comfortably on both legs last week. And I think the reasons why he did it are very much in play. Again, Jane Dorito is money. We're going to go and get it on FanDuel plus 673. Connor, what do you think? I absolutely love it. I mean, I think that there's some spots here too. If you like,
Starting point is 00:20:49 once we get like the alt receptions, we'll take like six receptions and under 54 yards or something like that, or maybe even seven. I mean, I think it's very possible. They're using him like Debo Samuel, basically. That's what they're using him. Like they refuse to throw him the ball downfield. Like they threw one downfield and there was a DPI. And it was like, you gotta be kidding me. Like you can't just like let him go. So yes, definitely still mad at Jaden Reed slash the Packers. And it's a good time to make our money back.
Starting point is 00:21:14 I mean, six to one on over four and a half receptions under 54 yards seems, I mean, the yardage is, what a crazy correction from 39 to 54 in one week where he had 27 yards on eight receptions. To me, that's a lot. I was ready to go back to it, to be honest. I like the high 30s or low 40s. Crazy, 54 is wild.
Starting point is 00:21:33 Slop, any thoughts on Tiger's passing game here with Jaden Reed? All right, so I'm kind of mad at Jordan Love, like a lot mad at Jordan. He was horrific. I was talking him up that he was good or maybe good and then he did that i had wicks that night so six targets and he didn't get 40 yards for me it was it was rough to watch i mean like he he missed him by like feet it was very bad but uh jayden reed was one that i kind of like from that team, but he's a receptions guy. He's not a yards guy. To Connor's point, when I saw 54 and a half, I was like, I'm not –
Starting point is 00:22:09 I mean, I would never take that over. I mean, I'm not going to play the under, but I'd rather lose. But, I mean, I'm not – I can't take that over. So, it's – yeah. I think this is perfect, actually. The only thing I get nervous about is what if he gets loose because he's a slippery one like but at the same time i don't know then we lose one of them like i think they
Starting point is 00:22:31 ran him like four times like he's a running back so as long as aaron jones isn't playing i mean i think that uh i think they they're gonna treat him like a running back like i don't know what they're doing yeah jet like connor said it's like debo jet sweeps they give him a bunch of stuff yeah who knows what's going on because you got aj dylan with a broken thumb uh you got jones who's like slow to come back so hey whatever we need to do to keep him if he's you know going to be involved in the in the ground game and that impacts uh how often he's going out he only ran around in like 68 percent of the snaps too which i think is was surprising last week too. So another thing that can hold them under. And again, just targets.
Starting point is 00:23:07 We need him catching five of 10 behind the line of scrimmage again, you know, print. So plus 673 on FanDuel is where you can get that. You can play that on DraftKings as well. I think similar price. So the only thing I think on DraftKings, I think is receiving yards is like 51 and a half. And FanDuel is a little off market.
Starting point is 00:23:25 I think they're still at 54.5. So I'd rather take the higher number since we're going under. All right, Connor, back to you. Jeff's in the chat again. Jeff ready to give us some more kicker props. Absolute heater. Jeff has been on the heater, so if people want to stick around and get those, we'll put some of those up here when we get to the listener questions. Again, if you're hanging out with us, jump in the chat. Let us
Starting point is 00:23:47 know what you want us to talk about here. When we get to that section and it looks to you like anything like that, we appreciate you guys hanging out with us. Connor floor is yours. Where are we at, buddy? Yeah, this is one that has been just absolutely wild. That's why I've been a little bit, you know, staring at the screen over here, but I think that Derek Carr to go under his passing prop, 215 net passing yards is fantastic. I know Slop just let out a yawn, but hear me out Slop. Chris Olave, DNP three straight times this practice. Rashid Shaheed, probably not going to play again. And then we're getting in this spot as well. So we're looking at the Giants who
Starting point is 00:24:22 play a ton of man, blitz a lot. they play extremely aggressively. Derek Carr, I mean, showed last week, just absolutely stinks. And we're getting, we're getting a spot where there's going to be no pushback like Tommy DeVito and the giants are not going to push back. So you have Derek Arthur into AT Perry, Lynn Bowden, Jawan Johnson. I mean, just the biggest bunch of bums ever against a defense that is going to play tough defense here. So this got down. I don't know. This guy was 216 like 20 minutes before the show.
Starting point is 00:24:52 I had it typed up, ready to go. Got bet all the way down to 205 after a lot of ADNP again today. Now it's back up to 215 again. So I don't know. Maybe call it luck that we waited or whatever. Someone played it and played it back, I'm excited for this under here because I just see like a ton of running and Taysom Hill's back. Taysom Hill's going to take some snacks.
Starting point is 00:25:12 He's going to be running. He's going to be throwing a little bit. So I don't know. 215 seems real high in a game that's going to be horrendous. It moved out. It's going to move even more, I think, down when we get official Alave out. We're still waiting on Alave. It's not trending well. So that's another thing. Yeah, it's going to move even more, I think, down when we get official Alave out. We're still waiting on Alave. It's not trending well, so that's another thing.
Starting point is 00:25:28 Yeah, it's a mess there. Slop, I guess the answer or the question is would you take Carr over? No. No, no, no. I actually have that game crossed off. It legit is a stupid game. I'm not sure it's going to happen, to be honest. Yeah, I don't like that game like there's literally nothing about that game that like i would want to do there's
Starting point is 00:25:52 one thing in there that i liked quite a bit i'll put it out there um it hadn't opened i saw it 10 minutes before we got on the show i was looking at it last night and this morning and i was waiting for it it wasn't anywhere because we only had yards. Wandale receptions is interesting to me. Three and a half, I think, is like plus 105. Heavily involved the last couple weeks. I didn't know that. I'm a big Wandale guy. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:26:17 I think he got seven balls last week. I think five the week before. Now three and a half. Again, like the route rate is up, target rate is up, all those things. So that one's a little interesting to me. I was considering it was on the list for the show today. But his yards were like 31 and a half, which I thought was still in play, but not as interesting to me as receptions.
Starting point is 00:26:36 Receptions. Yeah. Yeah, now he's a receptions guy. Actually, he was kind of a yards guy. Like they found him downfield. Yeah. In that same – did they play the Packers? Was that the prime time game? Yeah. guy. They found him downfield in that same – did they play the Packers? Was that the primetime game?
Starting point is 00:26:47 Yeah. Yeah, they found him downfield. It kind of pissed me off because I had Hyatt, but whatever. But, yeah, no, Wandale is – no, he's legit. Three and a half at plus money. I didn't even know that. I haven't seen that yet. Did that come out today?
Starting point is 00:27:01 Because I've been looking. It came out 10 minutes before when I came back up from lunch, turned on the stuff to get ready for the show, and saw it on the screen. Yeah, because I had been looking for it. I might be on one day. Yeah. I think it's a good look. Three and a half is, again, working on the slot a lot.
Starting point is 00:27:17 We talked about Elante Taylor, slot corner for the Saints, the guy we like to attack. Everyone else likes to – offenses like to attack him, so we should be attacking him in the pro market too. He's a target finder for other opposing offenses. So, yeah, Wandale would be a leg that I would look for in that game. I like it quite a bit. All right, Slop, what else you got?
Starting point is 00:27:41 You got anything else here for week 15? Well, I don't think this is as good as the Wandale one, but it's getting there. I hate taking running backs rushing yardage, but I can go Pollard, Tony Pollard, 60-plus. It's plus 118 at Vanduul. I mean, they've been running the ball. I don't know if you've been watching the Cowboys,
Starting point is 00:28:03 but they've been not totally. They don't sell out and run it or anything like that. But, I mean, he carried the running the ball. I don't know if you've been watching the Cowboys, but they've been not totally – they don't sell out and run it or anything like that. But, I mean, he carried the ball 16 times last week, 22 the week before – I'm sorry, 20 the week before, and that was a shootout where, you know, that went back and forth, 13 the week before. But he's been 60-plus in all four games, his last four games. The last one he had 59, but I count that as 60-plus. I don't think your book will, so definitely check the rules on that but uh yeah you look i mean he's right in
Starting point is 00:28:29 the 50s range and the bills they kind of stink against the run the last real one they saw was uh swift from the eagles he took him for like 80 i i mean i don't know like i think weather could play into this a little bit but i mean 60 plus, 60-plus, not a big bar to get over. The only thing I'll warn you is you're going to get super mad when he catches a screen and takes it like 80 yards and you get none of that. So there's that. Nice.
Starting point is 00:28:57 I like it. He's due. I don't think he goes for 100, though. It's not a ladder situation. I think that you would just do the 60-plus. His standard line is like 53 or 51, somewhere in there. So 60-plus feels like he'll just get over that, maybe get into the 70s. But I don't know.
Starting point is 00:29:14 I think this works out for definitely a Pollard run in the ballgame, 15 to 20 carries. Yeah, definitely an interesting leg in the same game, probably if you were doing what Connor was talking about earlier, where if the weather's okay, you know, you can get a little bit wonky with that game. Connor, any thoughts on Pollard or is he a viable leg for you there? I'm more of a Dak guy here, but I understand it.
Starting point is 00:29:42 I think that they're going to have a ton of offensive success regardless. So I think that either way, it'll be fine. So don't know i'm i'm kind of interested either way like however you want to attack it i think you can put basically any cowboys or bills piece in uh in like an sgp and you can probably convince me of it all right last one here for me um this is annoying i played this last week i almost talked about on the show um but i didn't send it out and i should have could have used the win last week that's for sure um luckily my account got it was good uh corlin sutton uh longest reception over 21 and a half yards uh this is this is pretty low in terms of like if you look at what corlin sutton's been doing as of late he's been bruising over this. He has passed it in
Starting point is 00:30:25 seven straight games. I think like six of the seven, he's been over 30. Now we get the Lions pass D, absolutely hemorrhaging big plays since week seven. The Lions pass D, 31st in EPA, 28th in explosive pass rate allowed. And we know Russ. Russ is checkdowns and moving balls. He is second in the league in rate of throws 20 or more yards down the field uh sutton's average that the target is up like four yards per game over like the last six weeks as well he's basically just running go routes so in a spot where look it's mid-december uh we don't have to worry about it here we're in a dome no weather concerns against a leaky leaky pasty uh we're gonna get three or four probably deep shots to Cortland Sutton.
Starting point is 00:31:06 Got it last week for a touchdown again. I think he brings one in here. We only need one with the longest reception. And, you know, we've been on a spot like he'll get a 21-yard reception. But, like, I feel even better about this because, like, Sutton's not even flirting with this number. He's consistently going way over. We get a bunch of, like, if you look at his game log, it's like 46 game logs like 46 45 35 like he's not even coming close to 21 and a half here so uh absolutely love
Starting point is 00:31:31 this one slop any thoughts on uh on Sutton here against Detroit I uh I love him I want to play him every single week all the time always and then I remember that Russell Wilson just quarterback and just it ruins it for me every time because dude he sutton i'm telling you he could be a target just monster for literally anybody else and he gets wasted by russell wilson doing all the little dumb little check downs and but you're right though i mean like i like to take yardage, but it has to come on a 45-yard bomb. You know what I mean? Like, 50-yard bomb.
Starting point is 00:32:08 So, the way to play him would be long interception. I mean, you wouldn't play his over and yardage. You'd just play his long interception because, like, the only way he gets there is if he catches one of those long ones. So, yeah. No, against the Lions defense, too, like, they are awful. And they can kind of stop the run too which is which makes them kind of fun you know it's not they're not great against them but they're
Starting point is 00:32:28 not that bad it's the pass where it's just like yikes yeah i think i talked about something as one of the uh in you know uh correlated parlays last week where it was a under reception uh over yard situation uh you know draft kings lets me get down like 15 cents on those. That wasn't available on FanDuel at the time, so I did end up playing longest reception. So hopefully I saw Sam got down on some of that too. So awesome. Love to absolutely see it.
Starting point is 00:32:56 So Connor, any thoughts on Sutton and this matchup for longest reception at all? Yeah, it's a good look because these, like the Broncos basically just like dink dink and then like take shots and like that's just their whole offense it's like run run you know short passes and then they'll open it up and just do a few moon balls from russ and sudden that's like basically all of a sudden is good at like this is a it's a perfect fit for him he just like catches those moon balls and that's about all he can do so um yeah and ben brought it up here in the chat
Starting point is 00:33:22 sudden could be a good alt receiver guy i think that that's probably the way too if you don't have longish receptions play like a 60 plus a plus money because um yeah russ has lost trust in judy i mean judy sucks like he just is ass i mean i don't know what to say about it but he's good he's a good route runner it's just the whole catch of the ball always gets him yeah he's also like a head case, it seems like, too. I don't know. He's just so much potential and just not panning out at all. So we'll see. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:33:49 I mean, I'll go backwards. Look at these. These are the recent games for Sutton. Longest reception, 46 yards, 45, 31, 33, 30, 23 against the Chiefs. This is the only one that's even in the 20s and flirting with this number. 33 against the Packers, 21 against the Chiefs again. So the Chiefs maybe had their number. But everything else is like we're in the 20s and flirting with his number. 33 against the Packers, 21 against the Chiefs again. So the Chiefs maybe had their number. But everything else is like we're in the 30s and 40s.
Starting point is 00:34:09 So, again, minus 110, 21.5. I mean, if everyone's steaming it here a little bit, it's going to move to 22.5, and I'd probably still play it. It's probably still within the range of playable there. So, all right, good stuff. That's definitely the way you play him, the launch perception. That's the way. No, I've been looking for ways to play him,
Starting point is 00:34:29 and I probably should have thought of that one. But, like, I'd have to watch Russ throw the ball, and I don't like doing that. But it's a primetime game. I'm trapped. My hands are tied. I've got to watch it. There's no other game.
Starting point is 00:34:40 So, we have a question here in the chat, Ryan Jeffrey. So, he said, Dan, where can we get alt longest? You can actually do that now on Caesars. It's kind of been hidden, but you can do alt longest receptions. It's not available right now, but this is a thing. You can get like usually 30 plus alt longest. I had no idea. Like where do they put it?
Starting point is 00:35:07 You got to go to receiving and then scroll way down. it's at the bottom like the very bottom after there's like all receiving yards all receptions and then it's below that it's like all longest reception nice now that's now that's information people can use this is what this show is for you know it's uh it's uh life advice caesar's advice um they did nuke the rewards on caesar's which kind of sucks um they like yeah it used to be like really good like kind of like a casino like you'd get like every dollar you played you'd get a good amount now they nuked it to like i don't know one percent or something that you get a reward point it's kind of shitty but hey we're still grinding you know got to get that that seven stars pretty soon, hopefully.
Starting point is 00:35:45 Yeah. Jeff in the chat, do we have all longest, you know, field goal attempts? Do we have anything like that, Jeff? We need to get into that. So, yeah, we'll see. All right. Jeff loves kickers. Dude loves kickers, man. But he's been, like, he's been like he's been hitting you know he hits dude he
Starting point is 00:36:06 hits hard yeah like crack in the 80s you know slop i do gotta ask too um is corlin sutton you know on your recent bible study and adventure was he in the bible with russ because it seems like he has been him and uh marvin mims definitely was not in there. Not in there at all. He wasn't even listed. Corlin Sutton probably is, though, definitely. They got to be friends somehow because Russ doesn't seem to like anyone on that team, but Sutton, he's the guy. I don't want to exclude any of our Jewish friends.
Starting point is 00:36:41 Happy Hanukkah. I hope it was a great celebration. We're almost approaching Christmas. Did you have any takeaways from the research even though we didn't find marvin mims or corlin sutton i actually already forgot i'd have to read it again uh there's a lot of books in there a lot a lot a lot going a lot of books a lot of books i think 66 of them at last count so a lot to get to but uh yeah courtland people don't know that's why you weren't here last week because you yeah you weren't done yeah big bible study guy yeah well we appreciate it you know yeah judy wasn't there i'll tell you that yeah not listed no not
Starting point is 00:37:21 definitely letting this guy down. Yes. Not like memes. No. All right. Not the Bible, but Russell. Just so everyone's clear. I think God's cool with memes. Russell, not so much.
Starting point is 00:37:40 Tackle play for you guys. This is not out yet. I had another one, but it popped just before we went live. So I'm going to probably play that and make that official i'm not prepared to do that yet for uh subscribers first so i'm going to hold off on that so again uh jump in the show notes here four four four dot com slash plans get the betting sub get in the discord get all the plays a look that i'm going to be um honing in on and i hope he he gets posted. He has been getting posted, but some of his teammates are up right now and he's not.
Starting point is 00:38:09 But that sometimes changes when you get injury reports. I know this gentleman did not practice, I think on Wednesday, but we should be fine. But Derek Brown, not Derek Brown that hung out with us last week for slot, but Derek Brown interior defensive lineman for the panthers uh probably not a big number maybe four and a half is what i'm expecting here this is the best spot in football
Starting point is 00:38:31 for assists uh games in carolina 54.4 of the tackle opportunities in carolina have been assisted that is nearly five percent better than the next best spot in the league and about 10 percent uh 10 and a half percent better than the league average so we get a lot of assist opportunities that matters a lot I think especially for a interior defensive lineman you know he's in and around the ball you know a lot of that you get all those guys all at one time like you want the benefit of getting the assist you don't want the the scorekeeper to like nail the solo tackle there though I think it is worth noting eight solo tackles for Brown in week one when they played the Falcons.
Starting point is 00:39:07 And we know what the Falcons want to do here. We want to run the football over and over again. I know Connor played an under on Desmond Ritter here. We're in on the Falcons running the football and probably running it well here against Carolina. So he also had 10 tackles and assists, five of each, five tackles, five assists against the Saints last week. So we're coming off of a nice game.
Starting point is 00:39:27 Only the Browns average more tackle opportunities per against and interior defensive lineman tackles per game than the Falcons do. So there is a lot of like little ancillary pieces popping here for Derrick Brown, who, again, like I don't spend a lot of time. I've not pushed out a lot of defensive uh lineman plays this season there's only a couple guys i think uh the forest buckner uh brown and like quinn and williams like the only guys that have over like 60 tackles on the season anyway so not a lot of big tackle guys uh that play interior defensive line anyway but brown is one of them we're gonna go to the well this week if he if he pops hopefully that's a uh saturday night sunday morning play uh when the books kind of know for sure who's in so derrick brown especially if we're at four and
Starting point is 00:40:08 a half uh i would absolutely love that maybe five and a half plus money i'd be able to uh take advantage of too because again i love all the all the boxes are checked with the tackle opportunities assists and all that stuff so i'm not going to kick it you guys because you have no idea and no valuable input here and i just throw it to you and you have nothing to say or move it forward no i i do have something to add this time this is i came prepared just in case oh okay well not that prepared no no no so this game now also something that i did not include my original handicap heavy rain and 15 plus mile per hour wins amongst two of the teams that are going to be the most run heavy in the league already so like i mean i don't think either quarterback is reaching 30 pass attempts like i think both are going to be like 20 to 25 here
Starting point is 00:40:56 we already played jesse bates uh on the atlanta side he's gonna be hanging on the box in a lot of tackles yeah uh where are you i like connor look at you what uh at least hey you help him with the transition you know it doesn't have to be tackle related it can just be game related i appreciate it very much um i don't have a lot of sacks on the board this week that's not a great sack week um and it's been slow to kind of populate so uh if we have any of those plays push those out to uh to folks in the chat on uh on sunday morning so uh again if you're hanging out with us we appreciate it there folks in the chat on Sunday morning. So again, if you're hanging out with us, we appreciate it there. Jump in the chat. Let us know what you like here.
Starting point is 00:41:28 And Connor, the floor is yours. You want to start buzzing through some of the questions here. Yeah, we got some great questions this week. So I'm going to go through a bunch of them here. And if I forget any of them, please just bump them in the chat here. So Shane Bolin, love Hawkinson over 52 and a half. Bengals last four games against genuine tight ends giving up 82 71 81 and 149 hawkins's last four games with dreadful quarterback play
Starting point is 00:41:51 53 50 55 134 i think the obvious wrench here is that nick mullins is playing and that um justin jefferson is playing as well slop any thoughts on hawkinson i've looked at this i've looked at it a lot i just don't know if there's enough value in my mind, but I'm interested in your take. Yeah. Do we think – is Mullins that bad? Like is he that much worse than Dobbs? I guess it's the question you got to ask yourself.
Starting point is 00:42:15 And then you got to ask, is Browning going to be able to move the ball against the Vikings, which I think they will. So, yeah, I mean, if you get a trailing game script with a loose cannon like Mullen, I mean, if he likes them, a lot of these – like the Mullen types, they're first-read guys. So, if first-read's going to Hawkinson, they'll just force-read him. So, he could get – I mean, I don't hate that.
Starting point is 00:42:43 Not at all. I mean, at 52-and-a-half, that's a good number for Hawkinson. And he's right. He's had dreadful, dreadful quarterback play. Yeah. It's a good point. Yeah, I have a couple thoughts here. Hawk, do we have a reception line at all?
Starting point is 00:42:59 Receptions would be interesting to me. Five-and-a-half juiced under plus money on the over. I would love a four-and-a-half. I think that would be interesting to me. Five and a half juiced under plus money on the over. I would love a four and a half. I think that would be really good. Yeah. So, you know, we only have a two game sample. I don't know. I feel like Zach Taylor maybe deserves a little bit of credit because what
Starting point is 00:43:17 we've seen so far in the, in the two Browning starts is they've 10, like their game script has been very opponent specific. So teams throw it. One of the highest rates in the league against jacksonville browning came out and chucked the ball around teams run at the second highest rate in the league against the colts they only threw 27 times they ran the ball a ton last week against the colts so it feels like a good spot for them to be reactionary and i think you're in a spot where like you get that zone blitz heavy scheme from minnesota um yeah i mean i feel like some of that stuff could make
Starting point is 00:43:52 some some sense they're gonna get the ball up pretty quick um now on the you know on the same side too with like hawkinson the one change that's impactful there like you mentioned too like you know who they're giving up you have a different quarterback jefferson back the other thing that happened there that's more where i spend my time the bangles made a massive change at safety nick scott was one of the worst actually i think the worst graded safety in the league they pulled him two games ago and they're running with jordan battle who was an absolute dog um in at safety who i think is a little bit more impactful in their ability to defend tight ends i don't want to overrate that we don't have any that's a two-game sample but i think they're
Starting point is 00:44:28 going to be better at doing that than they've been earlier this season so yeah i touched on the first part because i'm like i thought about like mixing carries uh you know chase brown was a little spicy last week getting eight nine touches the last couple weeks like can we look at some chase brown stuff like there's different ways to go about this game. Hawkinson would be more appealing to me, I think on a reception line, but yeah, that's, I want to get some action in this game because we have like three Island games tomorrow and I don't, I don't have anything yet.
Starting point is 00:44:54 I have nothing. Well, you got the Denver Sutton longest one. Yeah. But I've been looking at those games like crazy and I've, I have nothing, which is like, I was looking at Jamar Chase receptions. I mean – What is that at? It was at 5.5, but it was too juiced. That's minus 125 I'm seeing now. That ain't bad. I mean, I think they get the ball quick just because they get blitzed.
Starting point is 00:45:18 So I think it goes to him if that happens. He had a down week last week. But I think the Bengles they they rolled the colts didn't they so i mean part of the part of the run you know kind of i think was helped out by the fact that they were in a you know they were they were leading so i mean i'm not saying they're not gonna be leading this game but i mean didn't they get like when was that uh running back long touchdown was that early the chase brown one yeah chase brown it was like a dump off early yeah yeah it was like yeah i mean like that
Starting point is 00:45:50 that kind of takes away you know what i mean like that kind of ruins everybody else especially if they're gonna lead the whole time so now they can sit on the ball but i mean i don't know if uh if the vikings could just put up a fight. You could get a little baby shootout going. The weather's not going to be that bad. So, yeah. I mean, if we're sticking at 5.5, it's bouncing around in draft games. Some of the listeners might be hitting it. It's like now minus 135, but only minus 128 on FanDuel,
Starting point is 00:46:19 minus 135 on Caesars, now back down to minus 125. So, I don't know. It looks like there's a lot of fight going on here between everyone. He's the obvious one that could catch nine, ten balls. You know what I mean? And they're not even like real catches. Like they're Wanda catches. You know what I mean?
Starting point is 00:46:39 Like Jake Reed catches. Give me a few of those, you know? Yeah, I like the look for chase i don't think that's bad use to lay with a guy like that so it could be an alt reception line too even six and a half plus money um yeah that's that's viable all right good question yeah great question shane uh timothy holder car at 216 i'm seeing it now 212 214 elsewhere so i don't know anything above like 209 is fine in my mind. Giants blitz too much.
Starting point is 00:47:08 That's why the Ravens fired Wink Martindale blitzing on goal and last week almost lost in the game. Yeah, it's certainly aggressive. It's certainly interesting. And I don't think the Derek Carr is prepared to handle it. So we'll see.
Starting point is 00:47:19 This is an interesting one. I want to get your guys take on this. Jamal Williams under 25 and have rushing yards on FanDuel. We played the over last week, but Taysom Hill has now announced in his last healthy game. I think he had 13 carries, something like that, 12 carries. It was insane. Jamal Williams only had like two in that game. Now we have both them back. My worry is that they're just going to run the piss out of the ball. And Jamal actually looked pretty good last
Starting point is 00:47:39 week. So like, I worry that maybe he gets like six, seven carries this week. He kind of puts him in that range because he did look good. Previously, he looked horrible. And so that was kind of what I worried about. So I don't know. I guess I would definitely lean under just because I'm an under guy. Noonan, any thoughts on Jamal there? Yeah, we talked about it on the show last week
Starting point is 00:47:57 when we thought there might be a chance to taste him when he was active. I thought Williams was a viable over-carries, under-yards guy, but the number was so low. It was really hard to do. And he cruised over that. I think he got over like the second quarter. So that was a great play by you. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:48:11 He just doesn't look good, man. It looks like he, I don't know. He got a host touchdowns last year. I don't think he spent a lot of time in the gym. He looks like he's remember. We just like David Johnson just fell off a cliff.
Starting point is 00:48:23 And there was like that one carry where everyone was just like whoa what just happened i think something happened to jamal williams of late where he just does not look like an nfl running back really anymore so he needs volume to get there so if tasem's eating that i think under is definitely the play i wouldn't play the over uh as slop would say you lost me at under slop you agree well that's just not a market i live in at all and then taking unders in that market like no way oh i love it you know slop i cashed uh alex erickson over 12 and a half receiving yards last night last night let's go yep yeah we caught that i was thinking some moron just got paid. I'm glad I know that moron. It's nice.
Starting point is 00:49:07 It was great. I was like – I had turned the game off, honestly, because I was so mad. So I put it on my phone and then turned on 8 Mile on my TV because it's on Netflix now. And I'm like, you know what? Maybe this will get them going. Maybe get the juices flowing. And literally five minutes later, catches a 13-yard touchdown,
Starting point is 00:49:24 bangs the over. So, I mean, you love to see it, right? You love to see it. I can picture Conor in his living room just tossing the hoodie up, just, you know, feeling it a little bit. Mom, little mom spaghetti, just trying to find himself. That was actually, like, I was looking at that all day. That's why I was thinking about it when he caught that ball.
Starting point is 00:49:41 I was like, what's that? What was it, 12-and-a-half or 10-and-a-half, something like that? Yeah, well, it opened at 10-and-a-half, and I was, like, writing it up. I'm like, oh, it's 12 what's that what was it 12 and a half or 10 and a half something like that uh yeah it's well open to 10 and a half and i was like writing it up i'm like oh it's 12 and a half it's still great he's gonna be out there all the time gonna be throwing a bunch you know easton stick man five targets last year oh this is money literally out there like 30 of the snaps blocking most of the snaps like he's basically just like a glorified tight end on the outside i'm like oh, Oh, he's just dead. Like we have no shop and luck lucked into one. We deserved it after last week. I mean,
Starting point is 00:50:08 my fucking God. So I had Josh Palmer, uh, four plus receptions that I decided to do instead of 40 plus receiving yards. So at halftime, we had zero catches. I was like,
Starting point is 00:50:21 God, this is great. And then, and then he rips off the 79 yards. I got, that was smart, John. Like, wait, thank you idiot. And then he rips off the 79 yards. I was like, oh, that was smart, John. Like, you idiot. You know, he got the four, but that was the weirdest way to get there
Starting point is 00:50:32 because it had to be the perfect situation where the coaches just didn't really care. Like, Staley wanted his guys just to play it out, and Pierce was like, whatever. Like, we're just going to keep scoring. So, like, thank God we had that dynamic or none of us would have cashed. Oh yeah. No, it was good. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:50:48 Pierce was like gas pedal down, you know, the whole time. So I like certainly, yeah, certainly a unique game. I don't know. What do you,
Starting point is 00:50:55 yeah. What do you think about like thoughts on like blowing up opposing teams? Because I don't really mind it. I mean, like, but there's a bit of been a big debate today on Twitter I don't know if you've seen that it's like people are like oh it's not there's classless like you should have put the foot off like taking his foot off the pedal I don't give a shit I say just like
Starting point is 00:51:13 run it up you know I mean they're already out of the playoffs like what are they going to do this is professional football these are these are yes I mean what are we talking about this this happened a big time with the Pats back in 07, right? When they went absolute curb stomp the league and everyone got mad. They did it to Joe Gibbs. Gibbs brought, you know, the Redskins to New England. And like, they ran up on Joe Gibbs. It's like 70 to six or something.
Starting point is 00:51:38 Something crazy. And it was like, it's Joe Gibbs, a hall of fame coach. Like you can't do that to him. It's like, stop them. Like stop them like stop them you are a pro team this is not amateur youth sports like i'm not fine with it in college too like whatever like it's it's fine i know they're kids this is not like 10 year old youth sports where like keep the clock running like these guys got to put on good they got to put good tape out
Starting point is 00:52:02 there like some of these guys are gonna be on the raiders next year. And same thing should go for the Chargers. I don't care that your season's over and you know your coach probably isn't on the same plane ride home. You got to get a job next year. You got to manage playing time next year. You got to keep your job. So go out and compete. So, yeah, this is pro football.
Starting point is 00:52:19 Stop them. No, I particularly love the 42 to nothing, and they get down near the goal line, and they run the wide receiver pass. Just like that. So good. It's the perfect play call when you're literally curb-stopping somebody. Like, just have your receiver throwing it.
Starting point is 00:52:40 It was great to see Jacoby Myers throw the ball, too. The last time we saw him throw the ball, not great, not a great decision. You don't see a lot of guys chuck it 30 yards back to a quarterback that can't move. That was rough. So, like, it's good for him. 100%. In the next play, they ran the Brandon Bolden play, which was awesome,
Starting point is 00:53:02 when they brought him into the backfield and ran the fake reverse or jet motion and that he just kept it it was great yeah yeah they were just rolling out trick plays they were just having fun and when you're up 42 to nothing it's just that is so fun it's like man there is what else you're gonna practice them get in your bag yeah get in there it's like what i do in madden like you know you're like just beating the shit out of your little cousin Madden. You're just screwing around, running reverses, throwing the ball around because you know you'll still win in the end. Put your cornerbacks in at running back and just run one in with him
Starting point is 00:53:35 at the 90th speed. Oh, man. So good. All right, let's hear it. Jeff Stenberg. The only way I'd ever use my money to see Derek Carr is if he was amputating his own arm on pay-per-views. We'd never have to see him throw another pass.
Starting point is 00:53:49 Jeff, don't blame you. Man is a family, Jeff. This is a family show, too. It's the holiday season, Jeff. Good Lord. Definitely not a family show. Shane Boland back with another great question here. Brees Hall under 43.5.
Starting point is 00:54:03 Last four games, Dolphins have given up 34, 53, 25, 39. Rushing here is the running backs with significant usage. Brees Hall's last four games, 40, 16, 25, 23. Yeah, Brees Hall is banged up. He looks like shit. Their offensive line is horrible. They don't move the ball well. But there are going to be 25 to 30 mile per hour winds.
Starting point is 00:54:23 There is going to be pouring rain. I can't get there. If this was going to be totally clean, I would have already played the under. As you guys know, this is a great look. But I just can't do it because he could easily see 15, 17 carries because they just can't do anything else other than short throws and running the ball because they're screwed. Is that you guys on the same page, it seems like?
Starting point is 00:54:42 A thousand percent. That's it. Yeah, Mal. That's the cap. Volume. You could get him there yeah yeah on paper like connor said like i i totally believe connor would have played this already so yeah yeah uh 12 and a half carries if you believe that he will get a lot of work but i don't really want to go there either so i don't know maybe dalvin cook carries if that pops at like three and a half or something you know something like crazy low um let's see here would you pops at like three and a half or something, you know, something like crazy low.
Starting point is 00:55:05 Um, let's hear, would you play sudden over 54 and a half instead of longest noon in, would you prefer an alt instead? I prefer an alt. Let's go. Yeah. Go up the ladder a little bit,
Starting point is 00:55:14 get rewarded for the big plays. Um, yeah. Yeah. Um, the longest are in a lot of books, the law, like a lot of books have the longest.
Starting point is 00:55:22 So check it out. You can find the longest hanging around somewhere. Max is in the chat. Max is in the chat. Let us know. I think he uses Builder. He only uses Offshores. For some reason, they don't have longest for some stuff.
Starting point is 00:55:35 Or they're late with a lot of things. Sit out, Max. Sorry, bud. Yeah. Brian, super late joining in. What are your thoughts on Ty Chandler? Are we hammering his rushing receiving yards 73 and a half slop any interest here alexander madison is out
Starting point is 00:55:49 um he got like i think 20 maybe i'll touch i think he out touched kenny wongu 15 to 2 after madison left so he's gonna see all the work the matchup's good but i always get worried with this kind of stuff because like ty chandler could just be absolute dog shit. So I don't really want to bet a high number over on this guy. No, remember Mike Boone? He's got some juice. A couple years ago, remember? I think Cook was out, then Madison was out.
Starting point is 00:56:15 It's like, oh, Boone. Yeah. Yeah, but he doesn't say he has juice, right? That's the kind of stuff that happens with these running backs where you're like, oh, he has to get the work. We're all set. And then you realize like, oh, well, maybe he's not that good. Maybe he is a change of pace guy.
Starting point is 00:56:30 I'm not saying he is or isn't. I'm just saying that I don't know if he is or not. So that's a 73 and a half. That's a big number. But it is rushing and receiving. So there is that. I mean, you got a Mullins guy. He could be a check down guy. We don't know about that so I mean maybe but I don't know play 100 plus plus money how about that
Starting point is 00:56:53 probably shocked no one too uh we've actually attacked the bangles in this prop in particular longest Rush uh Bengals have been giving it up Chandler's got some juice you just need them to have the one carry that hits a little bit you You can suck for the rest of the game, and you've already got the money in your account. So it's been a team we've targeted. Let's see. Is it even up? Connor, do you have it?
Starting point is 00:57:14 It's got to be up. Let's see here. Ty Chandler, longest rush, 13.5. That's kind of nice. That's kind of nice. Yeah, that's the way to go about that. 13.5, so for whatever that's worth. Yeah. At my book, that would of nice. Yeah. That's the way to go about that. I would give it 15 and a half. So for whatever that's worth. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:57:27 At my book, that would be 15 and a half. I'll book it for you at 17 and a half. Book it for you at 17. That's good. Missed the life advice. What was it? We talked about how to properly fill up your Slurpee. That was very
Starting point is 00:57:45 important um where to find marvin mims uh you know whether his breakout is happening that happens in the bible slop with the bible study so yeah any other life advice you guys need to talk about we are very much open uh you know so well for the most part we'll see i think it's yellow snow season isn't it don't eat that i think that's good it's a good good advice it's old but like still i mean it never gets old really if you think about no new generation they don't know yeah no one's ever told me outside so you know they might eat it's not on tiktok then they'll never know the worst thing you can do is assume that someone knows it yeah just i got on tiktok i'm telling you i think i got it all just i got on tiktok i'm telling you
Starting point is 00:58:25 i think i got it all figured out the whole tiktok all that yeah you blown up on tiktok it's not easy no not at all i think i'm way too old to be on tiktok but i'm staying just like uh start dancing and like pointing to the pics you know that way you can like yeah i might try that next my kids would kill me like what are you connor's got some of those but connor's young still so a couple is so good only like the text pops up yeah there's nothing better than the people dancing and doing it though too uh there's that one guy from like bookie with trent's thing uh it's like whatever mikey overs or whatever that shit just cracks me up because it's like this like 22 year old kid just like dancing and like pointing to
Starting point is 00:59:09 his pics and uh he just calls them locks and i think that's just hilarious i think those guys are hilarious so funny like i think they're just funny like it's it's funny like it just is yeah it's like good entertainment people get really mad about it but i think it's like because they're not like masquerading as sharps which is like i think a big difference it's like good entertainment people get really mad about it but i think it's like because they're not like masquerading as sharps which is like i think a big difference it's like the people who make me mad are like people who are like oh this is a super sharp play and then their reasons are just like absolute horse shit you know like they're just like giving you like some like things i'm like that's like what are we looking at stats from 2011 for like they don't give you any price yeah all right so you're just gonna
Starting point is 00:59:45 take his own like over 54 i got what like for how much like because that's like literally most of it you know what i mean like yeah or they cite like you don't random okay so why am i taking advice from anybody that doesn't gamble like at least gamble and show me a ticket yeah show some tickets as the great grP Wynn says, not many cappers can show $1,000 tickets. Maybe we don't need to show $1,000 tickets. Show me a $10 ticket. If that's what you're working with, I don't care.
Starting point is 01:00:14 Just show me that you bet. For me, it's like an entertainment thing. You know what I mean? You want to be entertained, so you bet what you're comfortable with and go. So if we're together on this, that's fun. But if you're not gambling at all, then why are you telling me picks it's weird it's just weird that's all uh yeah all right well we ran late and i worked we talked all this time i'll mow through the last few ones
Starting point is 01:00:35 here um zeke under 16 and a half yards definitely lean that way 18 and a half carries is outrageously high only on fanduel and uh builder but i like the under there considering game script to rashad white over three and a half receptions i don't know maybe yeah i like rashad white like me but man that's four catches for a running back yeah that's it makes sense on paper totally yards would be an interesting way for him too just because you kind of cover your butt no matter how he gets there you know um sitting his workload is whether we think he's good or not doesn't matter his workload is is pretty elite at this point so yeah yeah uh no totally agree bobby big wheels fashionably late but good to see the band back together the winner
Starting point is 01:01:19 of the slop lookalike contest winner last week was a nice fill-in uh slop he was labeled as the dollar general slop last week uh that's what he got some serious some serious strays thrown his way hey i'm sorry to whoever that was my bad it was jeff said that uh you're just messing around they like yeah of course no yeah derrick will be fine um and then i think that's about it. Let's see here. Sam C, hit the thumbs up button before you guys leave. Only 10% thumbs up so far. Got to do better. Sam, our guy. What a nice guy, man.
Starting point is 01:01:52 Oh, and then Bobby Big Wheels, whose jersey is that behind you? Thomas? Yeah. We got Demarius Thomas, one of my favorite players as a kid. Rest in peace. Awesome guy and just a fantastic player. He was electric. The time he took that ball against the Steelers in the playoffs.
Starting point is 01:02:10 I'll remember that forever. Never even heard of Tebow before that day. Yeah, and then there was all those questions about like, oh, but he can't run routes. And then he just comes out with Peyton Manning and just balls the fuck out for like six years and just sick. It was awesome. Good stuff. Yeah, i appreciate it the like button uh on the way out so we appreciate you guys doing that uh again like
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