Move The Line - Expert NFL Week 8 2023 Player PROP BETS | Top Picks, Predictions & Odds | Travis Etienne & More!

Episode Date: October 27, 2023

Unlock the best NFL Week 8 2023 Player PROP BETS with our in-depth analysis and top picks! Dive into expert predictions, odds, and insights as we spotlight Travis Etienne, Raheem Mostert, and other standout players. Whether you're a seasoned bettor or just looking for some Week 8 NFL insights, this video has got you covered. Don't miss out on maximizing your NFL prop bets and subscribe for more weekly NFL predictions! Timestamps:0:00 Intro5:55 Aaron Jones Week 8 NFL Player Prop6:46 D’Onta Foreman Week 8 NFL Player Prop Bet11:49 Derek Carr NFL Prop Bet14:53 Breece Hall Bet18:55 Browns-Seahawks Under Bet33:10 Rams-Cowboys Same Game Parlay37:16 Travis Etienne Rushing Yards Prop39:26 Chris Olave Week 8 NFL Player Prop Bet42:26 Tackle & Sack Props1:02:30 OutroSubscribe to 4for4's Betting Package 👉🏼  https://www.4for4.com/plansSign-up on FanDuel Today 👉🏼 https://www.4for4.com/go/fanduelFollow 4for4 on Twitter 👉🏼  https://twitter.com/4for4footballFollow 4for4 Bets on Twitter 👉🏼  https://twitter.com/4for4betsFollow Move the Line on Twitter 👉🏼  https://twitter.com/MoveTheLineNFLFollow Connor on Twitter 👉🏼  https://twitter.com/ConnorAllenNFLFollow Ryan on Twitter 👉🏼  https://twitter.com/RyNoonanFollow John on Twitter 👉🏼  https://twitter.com/sloprulesVisit our Website 👉🏼  https://www.4for4.com/Join our Discord 👉🏼  http://discord.gg/4for4Subscribe to our YouTube Channel 👉🏼  https://4for4.co/3OupraJ4for4 Betting Strategy Hub 👉🏼  https://4for4.co/3hm39cw4for4 Betting Picks 👉🏼  https://4for4.co/3LUp0EaNFL Betting Odds & Predictions 👉🏼 https://4for4.co/3nsW9QU

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about profit yeah good start for sure uh, obviously joining us here is our friend from Odds Jam, also on Twitter, at Slop Rules. It is the man himself, John Hyslop. Slop, how are we doing today, buddy? Just living the dream. Nice little sweep last night on a couple overs, Connor. It was awesome. What did you have?

Did you have the yards or receptions? I had yards. We got in early, nice and early at 37 and a half on Kincaid over yards. And then we had a nice, beautiful under on Rashad White. I mean, had to, you know, of course. But the loss was on and over on Latavius Murray. I mean, that was a brutal – I think that could have easily gone our way. So, I don't know.

Yeah. No, I watched the first half maybe like i mean i watched the whole game but like but like bowl of night you know how it goes and before you know you're drinking and stuff and once kincaid cashed it was like early third quarter i was like all right i'm pretty much done with this game so i had allens over in yards but um yeah under though man jesus christ that was over you could take it, except for Evans. Other than that, like, pretty much. I mean, Rashad White sucks.

Like, how are you going to bet it over? I mean, like, watching him fail is awesome. That's what I'm saying. It's a no bet at that point. You're just like, you know what? I'm out. This guy's dead to me. I'm not going to wish he goes under, though.

Well, shout out to our buddy erica cap wise hit the rashad white over 12 and a half longest rush and under 46 and a half rushing yards total just a wow wow absolute uh lovely spot to be uh found it using our our prop tool here at four for four so good stuff first time using it. A great resource that we have on the site where it pulls in our projections and pulls in the best numbers from the books. You can just kind of get a sense of it right there. And if nothing else, it can lead you to like, Hey, let's, let me do a little bit more research on this. It's not like it's something I would say, Hey, blind bet these no matter what, but it's like, all right, this is popping a little

bit. Let me do a little bit of follow-up homework on it. And it can lead you there. A little bit of a wild middle, I'm sure. But yeah, white's garbage and nice little spot for our buddy Catboys there. So good stuff. So reminder, this is our second episode of Move the Line each week. We have a Wednesday show on 3 p.m. Eastern with Clark, Sharp Clark and Connor and myself myself Clark is an absolute beast taking on sides and totals on the NFL and you know originating lines and doing stuff that no

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Get access to everything that we do there. So check it out, 444.com slash plans, promo code PROPDROP for an extra 25% off. It's the way to go for sure. All right, Connor,nor i'm gonna give you the floor first live lines these are all available right now for you to bet on no stale bread here we want to make sure that everyone can tail and get in here uh as close to as possible as we can uh connor week eight for us we don't normally start the show like this but we're going okay so we just got some news here matt lafleur on aaron jones who has no, but we're going, okay. So we just got some news here. Matt LaFleur on Aaron Jones, who has no injury designation. We're still going to be smart with him. I don't think he's a

hundred percent by any stretch. Aaron Jones, it's pulled in most shops, but a builder and some other spots still 42 and a half rushing yards gets a Minnesota run defense has actually been playing really well. I'm I'm hammering it. I'm I'm putting some money on it. So for anyone who has that, I think it's worth a look here because I mean, I think he's way better than AJ Dillon, but if he's not healthy, they're not going to use him very much. So, uh, you know, popping that off a couple of suckers in there first, and then we'll, uh, I'll get going here. So, all right. First official bet though.

It's a good one though. I like it. Yeah. I don't know. I mean, I, it wasn't going to be around by the time we got to the end of the show, so I'm sure that's going to be pulled from basically everywhere here in a second. Okay, first official bet. We're going to go with Deonta Foreman under 48.5 rushing yards is in FanDuel right now. I think this is – I know. We're starting this off with an under.

But I had to talk about this one specifically because John Paulson said that he does not like it as well um and so it seems like everyone hates unders and i understand that but if we think about so wait what size is paulson like paulson like your side does he like the other side he likes the other side yeah paulson has an interesting comment in the chat it's weird seeing noon and be nice to people. I appreciate that, Paulson. It's amazing.

I just want to be on the opposite side of Paulson here, so I like Connor's side here quite a bit. Well, just hear me out. I can change Paulson's mind. So his Foreman stat lines obviously have been really solid the last two weeks as the lead back, but Darrington Evans has still been really involved. He's seen 10 and 15 touches the past two weeks. Now the bears are eight and a half point underdogs against the chargers. Roshan Johnson returned. And if you remember, if you

remember back to the beginning of the season, Roshan Johnson, it took him a one week to pass Deontay Foreman on the depth chart. Deontay Foreman was a healthy scratch for multiple weeks because he was just not used at all. Like, yeah, sure, he's played well, but I think that we're going to see Roshon Johnson, who's coming off of a concussion, right? Like, it's not even like an injury that you need to work back from. Once you're good, like, you're good. And so I think we're going to see probably plenty of Roshon here.

I mean, Foreman's still going to be involved, but then on top of this, you have a Chargers running defense that's been, like, at least average this year. Normally, they've been horrible the last few years. This year, 17, the rushing success rate, just 3.6 yards per carry allowed to opposing running backs, playing as underdogs. I think this line is way too high. I mean, especially if Roshan is the 1A by chance, which, again, I think is very much in the range of outcomes here. And even if Foreman is the 1A to the 1B, again, like I think that's what's being priced into this number right here.

So 48.5, 45.5 or elsewhere I think is pretty solid. I know Slop hates it, but I think it could be fun. Well, I mean, Foreman played well enough, I think, to earn himself a little bit of playing time. For sure. But I think you're accounting for that here and there and that as well. So, yeah, the thing that was interesting too is uh you know Tyson Bajan like like a two yard a dot uh was like checking down so quick just trying to get the ball out of his hand really quick and I do think that Roshan is a much better receiving back too so that would be a path that I

would maybe explore in here too uh you know so you can we can do this the other way if you want to have like a positive outlook on Roshan, maybe instead of talking about the Foreman under anyone. Instead of just like dogging out Connors back. No, here's the thing. Like the Chargers could boat race these guys. Like, I mean, like I know the Bears just beat the Raiders last week, but I think it was Cole Komet came out and said that they must have been jet lagged or something.

They weren't the same team that they saw on film, something like that. And I watched that game. Unfortunately, I had Michael Mayer. So, yeah, the Raiders looked horrible. I don't know if the Bears are good. I mean, because the Bears, like, I don't know if you guys watched that game, but they won it handily. And it's like, oh, look at these Bears. Like, dude, they're still bad.

They're not good. So he could get game scripted out like very soon. So then there's always that option too. Look at that slop finding outs for unders. I mean, this is great. I feel like we're, you know,

we're making progress here by the end of the season. All I want is one under from your slop. Just one. What do you think? Maybe, maybe there's a strong, maybe it would have been a hard note in week one. So I'll take it.

Yeah. I mean, if I like, we'll have like a bet, maybe at's a strong, maybe it would have been a hard note in week one. So I'll take it. Yeah. I mean, if I like, we'll have like a bet, maybe at some point that like, if this bet loses, I will find an under, but I'll make sure that bet doesn't lose. So there's that. That's it. You know, that's the times in the past when you've played unders, I think has been like, you know, similar to the news breaking stuff that Connor even had at the top with Aaron Jones.

So yeah, I don't, uh, I, Hey, look, there there's a big old board you don't have to bet everything you know so you gotta find the find your lane find what you like and just that's what you like do it hit it so all right slop uh connor do you have something else you want to add look like you had something just quick question there yeah or we had a quick question in the chat uh what is builder uh you said someone said i'm still new to prop so So prop builder is basically like, I don't know, like a portal basically attached to like bet online and multiple local bookies and things like that, where usually they have all the props up, but they take like significant amounts of money usually. So like, you know, I have a couple with $500 maxes, a couple with $350 maxes. So, like, obviously most people complain that they can't get down enough money on props.

This is a good way to be able to get down basically however much you want for 99.9% of people. So, you know, not everyone has access to that, but you can get that through some offshores if you don't have a local that you can use as well. Yeah, just another out to help keep you moving here. All right, Slop, floor is yours, buddy. Week 8, first play from Slop. What do you got? I'm going to go Derek Carr over 235.5 passing yards.

Looks like minus 115 is the best price you're going to get. It's at DraftKings or BetMGM. I think Caesars has minus 117 right now, so, I mean, that's not bad either. But anyways, look, the Colts defense, not great. The last two weeks, they have held the opposing quarterback to a very modest day. But I think that's only because one, well, one was PJ Walker. So there's that. And then two, Garner Minshew has been turning the ball over like crazy. I think he turned over four times himself last week. And then the week before, I think he threw like a thousand interceptions. So if that doesn't happen in this game, which I mean, it's a big if, but let's say he's cut it in half. I think that we're going to see longer fields and

the Colts were giving up gigantic passing games earlier this season. On the other side, Derek Carr has gone 300 plus twice in a row. I think it's because they don't really run the ball that well. I mean, they're not horrible at it, but they're not good either. So we got a game inside. I think the Colts, if they can get near the 20s, I think that we're going to have a competitive back-and-forth type of game. Derek Carr should go over 235.5, pretty easy.

I kind of like this game in a lot of different avenues. Connor and I have talked about a few different pieces here. Carr's not someone I'm like super excited about, but I do love the matchup. I think like, you know, Juju Brents is an exciting end corner for the Colts that I think can help, you know, kind of stop the bleeding there. He's out. It's they're going back to like back-end, you know, backups. One of the guys they were using early in the season as a starter.

He's out for the year. So we're on, like, the bottom end of a pretty bad to begin with secondary in Indy in a game that, like, you know, Shane's taking games that have been going over. There's been a lot of, you know, plays in those games. Play volume is going to help Derek Carr, who needs all of it that he can get. So, yeah, I like Olave in this spot. Michael Thomas has played well.

And what Elvin Kamara is doing from a passing game standpoint is, like, just comical. And part of that's Carr kind of sucking and just chucking down massively. But, I mean, who cares? Whatever. Like, you know, you get the arts. Yeah, get the arts, right? So, Connor, anything to add there?

I know we like a lot of different avenues there. Yeah, I think, I mean, we played some Josh downs overs at a pretty solid number. I mean, I think that this, I, the more I dug into it, like the same secondary is, but playing well,

like, like Marshawn ladder has been playing awesome. The outside, but their slot corner, Alante Taylor has literally allowed the most receptions in the league out of the slot. And they play a ton of man defense. Josh downs played well against man.

Like, so I think there's a lot of different ways that this goes well for the, for I think this game, like the, the game script and, you know, like environment, I think it'd be really strong.

I like that. I considered putting it into my like middle section here. We talk about ladders or same game parlays. Cause I think there's lots of different like pieces that you could pick off in this game that could put together a a nice little nice little parlay for you uh all right i'm going to stay in my lane outside of like some defensive props uh i kind of like this niche into the the longest rush longest reception i've had some success uh last week you know christian watson he knew his role 22 and a half he got a 23-yard reception we've had some success last week. Christian Watson, he knew his role.

22.5, he got a 23-yard reception. We've had some success here with some running backs, and we're going to go back to the well with Brees Hall. Over 16.5, longest rush. I really like all things Hall-related this week, but longest rush is my favorite way to go about it. This is minus 122 on Fandle. Sponsor of the show. Shout out, Fandle.

We appreciate it. MGM, minus 120. It's also on D the show. Shout out Fandle. We appreciate it. MGM minus one 20. It's also on draft Kings and minus one 25 as well. This has just kind of been like hall taking over in this backfield. We've seen less and less Dalvin cook four straight games with his rush share dropping. You know, now we're coming off of just the buy.

I feel like we just transitioned even more to Debris Hall has been awesome. He has the fifth highest explosive run rate on the season. That works really well with the Giants, who have allowed the fifth highest rate of explosive runs, 15 plus on the season. They are also by far the worst team defensively in yards before contact per attempt. 2.16 yards before contact per attempt, 2.16 yards before contact per attempt allowed. Again, like we've using this stat to kind of build and find guys this season. We use this against Denver for Brees Hall a couple of weeks ago on the show. At a time, Denver was the like worst in the league, like 1.8. We've used that in the past for Ken Walker. Now we're using it again here for Brees Hall. Now the Giants have comfortably taken the lead in the stat. So yeah, I mean, like I said, there's lots of

different ways I want to get access to Brees Hall. This is my favorite way to do so. Over 16 and a half on the longest rush. Connor, any thoughts here? No, I like it. It's the longest rush props have been an interesting angle. I think that they're kind of fun. They're a little bit unique. Like some of these, the props on these guys are just like super high. So, you know, you're, I think you're almost leaning into like the matchup a little bit because sometimes, I mean, if a team has like a 10 minute drive, which happens sometimes, or you throw like a pick six, like it just totally derails, like, you know, some of these like high prop overs, because, you know, you just get in trouble really quickly. So, yeah, I think that leaning into like the longest rush where,

you know, literally all it takes is one, I think it's kind of interesting. Yeah, last week in the same instance, I mean, Christian Watson comfortably under on his receiving yard prop yet went over for us in the longest rush. So, yeah, it kind of hedges it. Slop, what are your thoughts on this matchup for Hall or any thoughts on the bat? Brees Hall is electric, so I'm in.

Yeah. Yeah, like, you know. You can tell immediately week one that it was like, yeah, this ain't going to go well for Dalvin Cook. You know what I mean? Washed. Washed. Yeah.

I mean, the Aaron – or, yeah, the Aaron Rodgers injury wasn't great for him. I feel like that's probably the only reason why he was there. But then watching Brees Hall, like, run the ball, like, one time, like, all right, he's – like, one time, he's head and shoulders better. Yeah, 83-yard breaker in that game and limited snaps. So, yeah, even if – and shout out to Capwise mentioning here, Dalvin complaining yesterday he's not getting enough touches. That's okay.

I can complain that I don't have enough money. It doesn't change. No, one's going to give me a bunch of money because I'm complaining about it. Even if it does, that's part of the beauty of this bet is that like that complaint is not taking Brees Hall out of the workload that he's going to get here this week. And he only needs to do it on the one carry. So yeah, he's going to hit a home run for us this week. Again, like the same thing. Like when you think about, like, you look at kind of how the giants where they get gashed when you're running these like man um concepts to defensively like that also can like lead to breakers and that's really all we need here in this bet as well

so all right connor uh sun creeps in here on this nice uh chicago look it's like 72 degrees outside here in chicago lovely lovely lovely, lovely fall day. This is the time to transition to some of the long shots. I feel good. It feels like mother nature is telling us that whatever's going to happen here, she's shining her light on this play coming in from you. What do you got, buddy? I think a more, a more apt weather would be like pouring rain and like thunderstorms because I'm about to just absolutely drop a nuke on Slop's day. So my hot take of the week is that the Browns and Seahawks score combined fewer than 30 points in this game. And I'm playing that accordingly. So, I mean, I think look in this spot, Seahawks decent

getting back with their spoon, Jamal Adams, Tariq Wolin back. They've not a lot of single quarterback to average more than six yards per attempt. they get pj walker the browns defense is elite and plays great man defense gino's yards per attempt against man defense literally the worst in the league on top of that their offensive line is still not healthy so look it's going to be a dog fight it's going to be tough i think we're looking at a spot here and i played this at bet mgm where you can bet you can parlay alternate unders. So I parlayed a bunch of different alternate unders, um, and was able to get like 35 to one. Um, unfortunately with the peer strong slash Jerome Ford news that he might play, uh,

that, you know, it got taken off here, but I think a PJ Walker alternate under of like 174 combined with a Geno Smith under like 200 passing yards is like 10 to one, something like that. And I think that's pretty solid, honestly. If you consider the game state, this game's gonna be gross, slop. I know that I probably just ruined your day and, but we're here to make money.

So I'm going with the opposite approach for our normal ones. What do you think? That's, well, I mean, it's a way to get it up there. But yeah, that's definitely no watch. Like, you're not going to watch that, right? Right. You don't even have to watch it.

That's the thing. You put the parlay in. You can't watch that. You take an alternate on it. You're like, all right, this is going to be fun. You know what I mean? It's just hope nothing happens. Like, at all.

Yeah. I don't mind it, though. I'll be i'll be honest i told you before the show like it was tough to find bets because i like like a lot of games to knock on i have a lot of like shitty game in my notes you know what i mean just like just crossed off like nope crossed off games yeah yeah so i'm not gonna look in there and then you start looking obviously because that's what you want to do and it's's like, yeah, you come up with, this might be an all under. Offensive. Yeah, that was the goal.

Yeah, Connor, so you can. So do you have a lean in the game? I'm trying to find a way that we can get this a little bit more like spicy too, because you can, I can't get, I can't find like a game. Yeah. Seattle a little bit. Okay. So we like money on it.

I don't know if I want to lay three and a half. You know what I mean? Like, I mean, I just don't think to either team moves the ball consistently. They're going to run to be like run, run, run,

run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run,

run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run,

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run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run, pass punt like that's what we're gonna say yeah yeah yeah i have no plans to watch that game but there's nothing's gonna happen and tyler fanatics play there right

yeah i don't know the status is there but yeah didn't look good um shout out to our friends fanatics we did that a little bit last week some of these al alts. You can take Brown's team total under 18.5, parlayed with Seattle team total under 18.5, plus 290. Okay. So it kind of puts you in the buckets that you're talking about. I can vibe with that. So, again, you're on the right side of the 17 key number-wise for you to get there so

uh that could be that could be a look for you but yeah not as fun as this you know this is typically the fun part of the show and we're you know get off the board get a little wild we had a lot of like you know miami philly last week we're vibing we're just throwing in different legs uh you know so connor throws a big wet blanket on it oh it should have been yeah yeah that wasn't great honestly that was kind of that was honestly a sad way to end my sunday it was feeling like a pretty solid sunday and it was uh it was kind of depressing honestly the tyree killed drop yes like that was supposed to be that gets in the end zone the party keeps going it's like this is this is great

and then he just tried he's like dude no you didn't just do that i'm not gonna lie i've been pretty neutral on like the whole brotherly shove you know tush push thing but watching every single under go to dust because the dolphins literally couldn't stop it like four times in a row on the same drive and they wasted literally the dog's supposed to get the ball back with 11 minutes left and then sirianni's like, oh, fuck it. Bring him back. Bring him back on the field. We'll do the brotherly shot at our own 20.

And then they literally drained off another eight minutes off the clock. They had one drive like the fourth quarter. I mean, it was just over. You're never going to be able to hit overs if you never get the ball back. Yeah. Yep. No, that was brutal. I watched that whole game.

That was just – that was not fun to watch. Yeah. And, like, the Dolphins were playing particularly well. But if they had more volume, I mean, I think that whole game. That was just – that was not fun to watch. Yeah, and like the Dolphins were playing particularly well, but if they had more volume, I mean, I think that all – a lot of our stuff could have still gotten there, but they were just – I mean, their defense sucks. I'm telling you, it hinged all on that drop. If he doesn't drop that – I think it was at the end of the third quarter.

He didn't drop that. He probably gets in the end zone. Now we – you know, it's a closer game. Now it's a party. It's like, dude that that just took the wind out of everything i mean aj brown did his part um but yeah i had a lot of stuff that was pinching on both of them doing their stuff and it's like tyreek's over you know all almost all the ladder legs with that catch so yeah that's that's really tough uh shout out to sam in the

chat sam appreciate it if you're watching a lot of you are first of all we appreciate that greatly take a second all you do is hit the thumbs up like we appreciate that a lot you might as well subscribe while you're here too so you don't miss the show but yeah appreciate that sam um hi slop floor is yours uh let's get a little crazy hopefully a little bit more fun than Connor's wet blanket. What are we doing here? Same game parlays, ladders. What do we got here that's a little bit more fun than what Connor did?

All right, I'm going to go ladder. I'm trying to think of which one I want. There's two that are kind of ridiculous. How do you say the name of the Bears quarterback? Tyson what? Bajent. Bajent? All right, yeah. the uh the name of the bears quarterback tyson what bajan bajan all right yeah he's like 250 plus i got him at uh oh and all three 90 i'm trying to think there's got to be a better number than that i'm looking i'm looking i don't have a screen for the alt so it kind of takes me a second yeah

it's tough uh what about our friends at fanatics what do they got for that because they they seem uh we're looking for tyler what's his name bajan we got some we got some recommendations to chat secret agent man tea bag bilbo Teabag. Bilbo Bajet. I'm going teabag. You can't beat teabag. Yeah, 250. Okay, you're looking for a plus. I need something plus 390. 425.

425? All right, 425. All right, here's the thing. That kid's not, like, that bad, right? Like, I'll start by saying that. He averaged like two yards per attempt. Yeah, which is not good. Not good.

But here's the thing. He might get game scripted into this. And we could get a catch and run because, for one, the Chargers should score all over these guys. The Bears have to be like partying. There's no way they're thinking about this. They just won a game. These guys, I mean, that'd take a lot of pressure off them.

They're going to get their asses kicked probably, most likely, right? So they show up in LA. They get rolled. It's a primetime game. Justin Herbert gets going. They start scoring points, right? Well, what do the Bears have to lose at this point? This kid, 250, not that much,

especially against the defense that they shouldn't be able to run on, probably game scripted out of running on. And when you look at the Chargers, no team has given up more passing yards to the quarterback this season. But what makes this really impressive, they've only played six games. Like everybody else has like seven, like most teams. So like they're doing it at a level that nobody's doing it like giving up pass yards so if this is a time for t-bag to get his 250

i plus what 425 like that's not that crazy that's all i'm saying it's not that ridiculous what do you think i don't hate it i i mean i know connor's gonna come in and play you know the straight up binary under um i imagine i can see that that's like that's that connor allen special for sure you've been doing this for a long time lowest number you can take under yeah honestly though like the matchup isn't good enough i like to take low unders against like at least reasonable defenses. The Chargers have been kind of playing like shit. So I don't think I could do it.

But yeah, I mean, if you believe in Tyson Bajent being reasonable, I'll say this. He certainly executed whatever Luke gets. He wanted better than Justin Fields ever has. Like in one game, he's done it better. But it's not that they do a lot. So I just don't think he's good it better um but it's not that they didn't really do a lot so i just don't think he's good like i don't think that but like i don't know i am kind of biased because he's got the ink on something like it's like if you've ever heard him talk like okay like i'll play with this guy you see him rap too he can spit some bars carry yeah i mean like he's

like drew lock but but with an arm. I mean, anytime you have a chance to bet on alt-overs on a kid named T-Bag from Division II, I mean, you've got to do it, right? In prime time, just saying. Paulson coming in with the stats. Chargers allowing 310 passing yards per game. I think that would hit the over on Bajan's prop, right? I'm not very good at math, but I think it would.

I like where your head's at. the over on bajan's prop right if you know i'm not very good at math but i think it would i like where your head's at how about gotta love paulson bringing in the stats that everyone used in 1998 oh paulson now i know i said that about you newton yeah new 75 plus plus 700 at dandle i bet you that's higher at Fanatics. I bet you Fanatics gives us a 300 number on this kid. No, they did. I backed out of it. You'd have to be an absolute psychopath

to take that. That's a tough one. I've done dumber things than that. Not a bad little choice. 100%. yeah not not a bad little 100 i actually really like paulson i would never tell him that but uh you know i like paulson i just like that he has such thin skin so it's easy to just kind of like just push just push the button i was always like that too and so once I knew you were thin-skinned, I kind of pushed it a little bit to see. Yeah. See if you'd break.

No, I don't see it, bro. I just see 275 plus 800. That's not that crazy. Again, like we're going to need a long catch and run, maybe two to get there. But I think they get rolled and they're just going to let the kid go. You know what I mean? Like, I mean, whatever that means. But 250 in today's NFL is not 250 when we were kids.

You know what I mean? Like this is – that's a number that you can just get now. Like anybody can do that. Yeah. I mean, if you're going to get Tyson Bates, you can do it. Literally anyone can do it. Yeah. Yeah.

It's going to be – you're going to be catching runs for sure. So, yeah. anyone can do it yeah yeah it's gonna be any catching runs for sure so yeah have you ever have you heard of uh if you're at a points betting you know what that is uh yeah refresh my memory though that's the ultimate like putting your you know your junk on the table there because that is so for so say the over under is like 205 or whatever it is for every yard over that you win whatever you bet. So if you bet $10, if he ends up with like 220 passing yards, you win 15 times your stake.

But for every yard under 205, you lose whatever you bet. So if he ends up with like 100 passing yards, you'd lose whatever, like 105 times 10. That would ruin me. Guy gets hurt and you're just so dumb. Oh, yeah. I have lost my ass on points betting. I've also won a lot of money, but I've also lost my ass.

And now they've limited me to like a couple bucks. So it's not quite as fun. Is that on points bet? Yep, it's on points bet. They don't post it for players until like closer to the game because they don't want to get cooked. But it's kind of like options for sports betting. So yeah, that sounds honestly, man, that sounds miserable.

Like you're watching that game and the guy gets hurt. You're just like, dude, I'm in financial ruin now. You know what I mean? I enjoy doing it with quarterback rushing overs, because the line is lower. You get a quarterback over 16 and a half rushing yards, something like that. A guy has blow-up potential,

so you're less likely to lose your ass in a big, big way, because the actual prop is not that high. When you get into the spot where just the range of outcomes on a quarterback, passing yards over is nuts. that's what i was thinking i was like there's no chance i would be able to survive in that cut what you want is you want to get like the third or fourth receiver on like the primetime game his number's like eight and a half correct you know what i mean it's like all right well i can only lose you know whatever eight and a half so that's fine but i mean the ceiling is kind of there daniel jones rushing forever lives in my hall of fame it was like 22 and he had 80

no it might have it might have the commanders it was a commander's game manager yeah you remember that night i remember that night that's why he's gone. He just eats it. Yeah. People falling down is always funny, though. I mean, I still laugh when they talk about that. Always funny. As long as they're okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm not talking about, like, an injury happened, but, like, just falling down. Oh, falling is always funny.

Always. Every time. All right. I'm going to stay. Again, like, we found, you know, Fanatics has some of the best numbers. We're trying to find some ways that we can gain some access to some ladders. And, you know, we don't have a game like we had last week, obviously. But I do have some interest in the Rams-Dallas game.

And I do think the Alphas can eat in this spot for sure. You know, last week we had a little bit of – we thought it was a great spot for Cooper Cup. Ended up being a Pook and Nakua game. I think you see a little bit of bounce back. I think, you know, Stafford, Cooper Cup go, they have breakfast, they talk about it. And, you know, with some of the injuries in Dallas, I think there's a little bit more of a path here for Cooper Cup to work. Like Deron Bland's a really good slot corner, but with the injury to Diggs, he has to move outside. So that makes, that puts Jordan Lewis in the slot, not nearly

as good big loss i think for dallas um so i think you're gonna see cooper cup eat here and we've had some pretty uneven games for dallas the seasons i think it's impacted i think the perception at least the start of the season that we've had for you know some of the stuff with cd lamb and even you know tony pollard is kind of underperformed. Lamb looked really good last game out, primarily working on the slot. Slot is a bad spot here for the Rams defense too. So not even going real crazy, just kind of hitting their normal props for the most part.

You can grab CeeDee Lamb, six or more receptions, 80 or more yards. So that's a little bit higher than his receiving yard prop, but I think he can do that here. You add Cooper Cup for eight or more receptions, 110 or more yards, which he had done comfortably in the two games prior to last week, which is those four legs. You can add a little bit.

That's eight to one. You can add Puka on there for 50 yards. That adds it to 10 to one. If you want to add some low bar numbers for the quarterbacks here to get involved or to do something, I think you can boost this out to 15, 20, but just lambs six and 80 cup eight and one 10,

eight to one on fanatics in a game where I think both of those receivers have a nice day. So Connor, any thoughts on that matchup? I've been kind of like unsure about this game, honestly, because I see the potential, you know, but I also see that I don't really trust the Cowboys offense. And then the Rams offense, I think is a little bit more flimsy than, you know, I think, especially in a matchup where they're going to get a lot of pressure and, you know, their running game probably doesn't get going. So I don't know.

I think that if you want to play it, I think there's definitely some upside. So it's probably the way you're approaching it. It's probably the right way to do it. But I'm kind of staying away from most of the binary props in this one, to be honest. Yeah. Not a stamp of approval there. Slop, any thoughts on that matchup? I like CeeDee Lamb. I think he's kind of undervalued at the moment just because of how the season

started. But last game, it's the CeeDee Lamb show. They kind of force fed him a little bit. So he's definitely somebody to keep on your radar all you need to have that that's one that uh do it do it live oh because all you need to happen is like just maybe one team goes out ahead of the other and you can you can eat with cup or lamb depending on which team is going to be stuck throwing the ball but i mean yeah that's not that i was looking at that game too and i'm scared

i was more scared of the defense for one of the teams just all you need is one defense to show up and now you know you're shit but like i said you you start watching that live you get one team out ahead now you're all set yeah i'm still not ready for the r defense to be doomed. I still think they've overperformed based off of, you know, talent and some of those metrics are not great. I thought they were going to be one of the worst like units in the league. Like seriously, like I thought they were going to be like very, very bad. Like you could just go nuts with Stafford over. It's just because that defense sucks so bad that like they're going to throw

the whole day, but they haven't been. So it's like, all right, so what's happening? Why? We should have had – the Cowboys have been in nothing that's been normal until that Chargers game. They've had blowouts. They've been on the wrong side of some blowouts. It's been such a weird, uneven game.

They just haven't been in any neutral game settings where they have to kind of just play their normal offense, a game that's contested in the fourth quarter. So, yeah, I think we're going to get a little bit of a discount on Lamb, play their normal offense uh you know game that's contested in the fourth quarter so yeah i think we're gonna get a little bit of a discount on lamb and i want to buy back on you know cooper cup falling on his face for the first time you know like three four years so all right connor back to you third prop here uh what do you got for us yeah we're gonna wrap up this week's show for me with an over you know gotta get slapped back in my good graces here.

I'm going to go with Travis Etienne, over 63.5 rushing yards. This is at FanDuel Builder, DK, et cetera, et cetera. So Etienne's seen pretty massive workloads this season, averaging 18 carries per game. Hasn't seen a ton of production on the ground, but I think a lot of that has to do with the matchups. The Saints, Colts, Falcons, Chiefs, all good or above average in run defense so far. He absolutely shredded Buffalo a couple of weeks ago for 136 rushing yards and Houston for 88.

Those are probably two of the worst run defenses he's played relatively. And then now he draws the Steelers who have been among the worst without Cam Hayward, who is off IR, but it's not activated. So I don't think he's going to play this week uh he makes a big deal here he's one of their best run stoppers so far allowing 4.65 yards per carry to opposing running backs steelers allowed 60 plus rushing yards to six different running backs already includes 150 yards of cmc 106 to jerome ford 81 to damian pierce 66 to royce freeman 64 to nick job 62 to j to Josh Jacobs, and 61 to Daryl Henderson. I think his favorites here, we're probably going to see a heavy dose of Travis Etienne. I think he's going to have success.

I think there could be, if he breaks a long one, you know, alts are very much in range here. So I think regardless, I think with the big workload that the median line is a pretty good look, but with, you know, a couple of explosive plays here, he could be cooking for some alts too. I like him as the longest rush option, 14 and a half. That will probably be something that I play. Like that spot for sure. Just all the reasons you lined up there. Slop, any thoughts on Etienne here in the spot?

It wasn't long ago we were saying we didn't know if that team, if he was good or if Jacksonville couldn't run the ball. It might have been me that said that. So there's that too. But somebody said that on the show. But no, he's looked good. Like he looks like electric. So it feels weird to target a running back against the Steelers.

Just, I mean, for years they weren't someone you would do that with. But, yeah, I mean, it's probably time. Yeah, it's a good look Connor I like it quite a bit all right slot back to you what's uh number three for you this week I'd go Chris Alave over his receiving number depending on where you can get it I'm saying like 80 plus plus 200 at DraftKings it looks like it's down to plus 195 now so there's that but look I mean this kid just got locked up. He's out. That's just a definite.

Like you heard Carr today talking about how great a guy he is, all that. Carr already force feeds him. He's had, like, I think 10-plus targets, like five of the seven games. I think this does go back and forth. Your cornerback situation, Noonan, is another reason. Maybe we like this. All that has to happen is to just to have a back and forth game or the saints to trail the whole time that would

be perfect but yeah i mean guys fresh out of jail he's ready to play some football even though he probably wasn't for very long he probably just signed something and left but whatever yeah yeah 70 and a 40 or something like that that's not that bad yeah that was kind of a weird thing it's like so what did he do again and i'm reading i was like wait he was just going 70 or 35. like if you were doing 70 down my street right now i'd probably kill you but like i mean it's not that crazy you know what i'm saying like when you think about it like they take you to jail for that it's kind of it's kind of wild yeah it's like a new rule right

that's like if you're going over 30 over the speed limit not new but like a couple like a year or two ago a couple years ago maybe that they could like arrest you for like reckless driving see what calf wise said in the chat which with wider series you play with bar and he wasn't going as fast as that one kid from what was it who was that from alabama henry ruggs yeah that was like ridiculous oh my god that's nuts yeah that's a problem car might be having with his receivers this one got out though so there's that so things are looking up do you see car yelling at him uh last week yeah and then he caught a ball after though so it's kind of like all right i'm good

you know what i mean like it's a? So he's not like mad bad. It's like, all right, he's still going to throw it on. It's definitely a car problem. He's got to get that figured out for sure. Yeah. Yeah, like I said. Yeah, see? Here we go.

Try the vehicle. We're all weak. Yeah. Don't forget to tip your waitresses. Yeah, there's a lot. I mean, you know know you gave out car you gave out uh you already gave out uh olave like i know it moved a little bit like you can get some pretty good numbers on i don't know if you can get juicy four and a half still on kamara receptions

some of the josh down stuff is interesting i know connor played that officially before the show for us like that's a that's a really good play uh so there's there's some same game parlay action that you can build just because I think the play volume in that game is a little bit higher than you would think so even if you know binary just the players themselves aren't great I think kind of the high tide raises all ships kind of environment that we could see there so all right before we jump into the like official like I'm gonna give some tackles like some defensive stuff I'm gonna give an official tackle play here on the show now I don't bet a lot of tackle unders um part of that I'm kind of like slop I like to

cheer for it I like sweating some good overs like going on Alphas over performing and even when I kind of make projections I lean a little bit under in terms of like play volume. You know, again, not like irresponsibly under, but I would love to see if you can, you know, if you're under where my median number is and you're still popping as an over where I think there could be some play volume upside in the play, but I feel even better about playing. And that's kind of how I build out my projections and models for tackling. But when I have a under that just jumps off the page, we have to take advantage of it.

And we have one here. This is on MGM minus 105. You can get this on bet 365, barstool, Caesars, DraftKings, anywhere you're betting tackles. Zedarius Smith, under three and a half tackles and assists. Defensive end for Cleveland here. So this is a wild reaction to last week's game. Heading into last week's game,

Z'Darrius Smith had one solo tackle on the season. He had four tackles last week. So he did top this number last week, but he hadn't topped two tackles in any other game this season. He has more zero game tackles than games with three or more. So we need him to get four again this week. He has more zero game tackles than games with three or more. So we need him to get four again this week. We're basically getting even odds. Like I think

bet three, six, five is like plus one 15 plus one 10 on this, which is wild. So like great, great price. We're not even like laying a ton of juice on something like this on the season. Zedaria Smith averages one tackle and assist per 23 snaps played. Plays about 65, 70% of the snaps, which is where I have him here. That's going to be 40, 45 snaps in this game. So he's basically going to need to move that 23 snap number down to like nine to top this number. It's not happening. I haven't projected for 1.78 tackles and assists.

So I think this is playable down to like two and a half plus money if you have the stomach for that again really low you know outcome here there's more you know variance in like defensive ends getting tackles it's not something that i typically you really spend a lot of time and they're not guys that i focus on but like when you have a projection here that's just like i shared it with connor i'm like like here's the hit rate here's like the ev on it like this is like bright green by uh so we're gonna play it under a low under three and a half but again uh you know almost plus money here on zedaria smith so uh go for that one like it quite a bit and uh yeah the like i said i haven't played many i think like four or five

tackle unders on the season and we are perfect on those two so we kind of just wait and choose our spots this is a good one if you can get it so i always try to kick this to you guys you guys I think make four or five tackle owners on the season and we are perfect on those two. So we kind of just wait and choose our spots. This is a good one if you can get it. So I was trying to kick this to you guys. You guys don't have any really takes or anything to add because you're not grinding Zedaria Smith tackle number. So no, it seems like a mistake.

Draft came from a town of two and a half. Like under that plus money. No. Okay. Two and a half over is plus 20 it's not three and a half but over there so that's good yeah it's a bad bad bad line so uh all right uh connor you get it yeah i did but now it's locked at least it's not like unlocking for me i'm trying to get more but you know yeah that's what it is uh let's see a couple others so tackles we played a few and

there's one that's still out there we played cam byron uh minnesota uh safety who we played him last week at six and a half he got nine he's had like eight or more in all but one game this season's been absolutely crushing the opening at five and a half he's still at six and a half i think at like minus 115 still playable you know again we played five and a half this morning now it's moved basically a whole number and then you know all the juice through but i mean i have him for like eight and a half it's's a really good spot for assists in Green Bay. You know, he's been really good, pretty easy, normal matchup. So like, I think like 51 and a half percent of the snaps or he plays in that game or plays in Green Bay this season

have been granted an assist, which is significantly higher than league average. It's in line with what we saw last year in a full season in Green Bay. So good spot for assists. Minnesota numbers across the board are kind of off so uh that's a that's a look so and then still you could play jamal adams still a bad number we bet that last night too that's still i think viable depending on what you have i haven't looked so uh anything else you guys want to share i have some then i have some sacks i want to i

want to share some sacks yeah just roll right into the roll right into the sacks so look shout out i forget i should have looked i forget who it was last week we killed the sacks yeah just roll right into the roll right into the sacks so look shout out i forget i should have looked i forget who it was last week we killed the sacks we talked about playing uh commanders and giants sacks i listed like six guys shout out to a listener he parlayed all of them and hit like like a massive parlay they all hit like it was a great great spot so wow i played a bunch of them. I did not parlay them. Awesome. Shout out to him.

There's some really good sack spots on the board this week. Most of them aren't out yet. So we have to wait and see. It's a great spot for Jalen Carter, Philadelphia, internal defensive lineman. Again, he ends Hassan Reddick, who Hassan Reddick is posted over 0.75 sacks. They play the commanders just again that that's the place that you start your sack research with uh you know sam howell was taking 40 sacks you know a pressure to sacrate that's almost 34 insane number uh jalen cardo will be a great play if we can get him on the board also a good spot for the jets um either quentin williams my preferred

would probably be john franklin my Myers if we can get his number. They play the Giants. Really good spot. Giants are taking a ton of sacks. The offensive line is completely beat up. Tyrod took a bunch last week as well. So like some of those. Great spot with Micah Parsons.

Rams offensive line is beat up. They're going to be playing backups playing backups on the uh i think the tackle positions here i think joe note boom's coming back in here so micah parsons probably eats khalil mac revenge game against the bears again like so maybe tyson beijing gets the ball out real quick again but khalil mac's been awesome and the bears are also dealing with injuries braxton jones might be back but i don't know if that's happening if it is probably limited sacks but uh you know their other darnell right their rookie is out uh he hurt his arm last week so maybe maybe backup tackles for the for the bears here against khalil mac that's not a good place to be but here's the play i can't push it as an official play for our subscribers because

right now i only see it on draftkings um so i'm gonna you know again it can't be an official but i want to share with our our people here because just it's a good one this is not a household name like some of the other names that we see here um but this is a again plus 160 on draftkings i'm gonna give you some of the information here first um this gentleman according to pff ranks third in the league in pass. I'm going to say it slowly because this one gets me. Pass rush, win rate. He's third. He's ahead of, and this tells you it's a good metric. These are the guys a little bit behind him. They're all in the top 12. Aiden Hutchinson, Chase Young, Max Crosby, Micah Parsons, Nick Bosa, Josh Allen, Aaron Donald. They're all behind this guy.

Six pressures last week against Tampa Bay. Now going against the worst offensive line in the league in Tennessee. And then what? They're going to give us two quarterbacks? Both of them love to take sacks. Malik Willis played 12 snaps against Baltimore a couple weeks ago. He took four sacks. That's an insane thing to happen. The only thing that Will Levis loves more than Mayo is taking sacks. He took a sack on

30.5% of his pressures last season at Kentucky. That is more than any other quarterback in this class. So Will Levis also loves getting sacked. David Onyemata, interior defensive lineman for the Falcons, over a quarter of a sack. So again, another spot where we just need him to get a half a sack. Plus 160 on DraftKings for David Onyemata. He has been awesome this season. He has, I think, three sacks in the year. Again, like you said, great week.

Last week, six pressures and a sack against Tampa Bay. Love the spot for him. Again, he doesn't have to do much. We just need a quarter of a sack for Anyamada. Again, on DraftKings. I can't find that that's anywhere else right now, so it's hard for me to push it when it's just one out for our subscribers. But I want to share here on the show, we've had some success.

We'd love to share some more sacks in our Discord if we can get them this week. But, yeah, that's a great look. Again, plus 160. I think this is in play if we were like minus 110 so on yamada over a quarter sec david on yamada yeah they would only let me do 22 and then i accepted it and then they took it off the board they're onto you ryan yeah it'll be back it'll be back yeah oh he's on builder he's on prop that he's on builder that's what we got over half plus 200. that's kind of tough because he needs a full one then right yeah i don't know how how common are our half verse full sacks like have you looked into

scorekeeping with that or what that's a great question i have not i've not tracked scorekeeping on sacks um yeah that's a that's a good look. That's something to look into. But yeah, I mean, cause you know, you'll see, you know, a couple of guys, you know, there's some other ways to go about it too, right? You can go Bud Dupree. This is a revenge game for Bud Dupree against his Titans. Bud Dupree sucks. Played pretty well last week, but again, he needs to do the same thing. He's plus 175. Calais Campbell plus 140. Like again, we're picking on the offensive line. We're plus 175. Calais Campbell, plus 140. Again, we're picking on the offensive line. We're picking on these quarterbacks that hold the ball and take sacks.

Onyemata has the best metrics in terms of his ability to get pressure. He's the best player in terms of Falcons that are going to be rushing the quarterback. And those are the only three that they have posted on DraftKings. Now it's down to the other two. But Onyemata is the best player there in the bunch. So that would be my preferred way to go about it well what would you play on your model too we got a question chat here plus 140 in a few spots would you play like what plus 120 something like that oh yeah i would definitely take that yeah plus 140 for sure yeah we're still at a quarter sack absolutely also builder still has the area smith at minus 140 on the under three and a half so uh i'm ripping that a little bit more too yeah seems like a good

look good look yeah so there's waiting on some of these you know i like the hassan reddick number or this hassan reddick play um we're still waiting on some of the other oh you're uh we are gonna we're gonna fire here both quentin williams and Williams and John Franklin Myers for the jets have posted John Franklin Myers plus one 60 over a quarter of a sack against the giants. That will be something I am playing. You can also do Quentin Williams over a quarter sack plus one Oh five. Yeah.

Yeah. I'm a draft Kings. It's still on the board. Not letting me get down much of anything, but yeah, it's like 20 bucks. This is like some bullshit draft Kings. What the fuck? You're a publicly traded company. I mean, much of anything. Yeah, it's like $20. This is some bullshit. DraftKings, what the fuck? You're a publicly traded company. This is ridiculous.

What are you doing? Don't post if you don't want to take a bet. Yeah, right? $26 on John Franklin Myers. Yeah. This economy, $25? You can't be serious. They can't even buy you anything.

$100. I don't understand. What are they afraid of you anything. It's $100. For real. I don't understand. What are they afraid of? I'm a guy who drives a minivan. They're afraid to take money from a guy who drives a minivan. That's pathetic. It's tough.

Yeah. Yeah, I mean, so you can just sprinkle. If we can get $25 a pop, Jermaine Johnson, John Franklin Myers, Quentin Williams, let's just kind of plus money, splash the board a little bit on Jets getting home here against the Giants who are absolutely depleted up for it yeah

they just they're waiting gangsters their business model is proud of people who are losing, that's absolutely correct their CEO has gone on record multiple times basically saying that they don't want winners. So if you're limited, I guess, congrats. You're a winner. There was also a really good

podcast about it. It was like maybe one of the old points bet traders, shout out to our friends at points bet. He went and talked, I think it was maybe the circles off pod and he talked for like 30 minutes about how they're able to identify people. They're going to limit within like, like a week of them going through their promo bats, like how they use their promo bats, things like that. So if you're interested in yeah,

shipper, if you're interested in learning more about that, I thought it was pretty insightful podcast. I mean, most of my accounts are cooked at this point, so there's nothing really I can do. So just, you know,

got to get creative, but yeah, figure it out. That's the thing like what podcast is that it was a circles off when i think they said shipper that was his guy's name he was like some i don't know australian dude or something like that yeah he seemed to have a lot of knowledge uh it was yeah it was a really good podcast um i don't know it was interesting it was like was, it was pretty crazy though, because it was like, if you use your promo funds optimally, um, you like basically were for sure getting limited. Like that was like, they said there was like a 90% chance you're getting limited. So now I'm like, oh shit. Cause everyone in the chat's been like, how do I use the promo funds? Blah, blah, blah. And I'm like, oh, well you should, you know, depending on your risk

conversion level, you should be putting in this much on like, you know, all this stuff, like trying to optimally work it through with them and realize we were just setting them up for failure. And based on what you bet in closing line value, you said you're just cooked. Your account's cooked in a week. Yeah, I know CLV will get you bad, really bad. If you're always beating. Oh, Paulson. Yeah.

You know, that's the section where I talk a lot. I'm sorry. No, we have nothing to add. You know? Yeah. That's like his segment.

Like, like neither one of me and Connor, like we don't even know the guys that he's saying to bed. We're like, who's he played for? You know what I mean? Like every time he says a name. You could have asked me if I wanted Anya Mata on my sandwich,

and I might have said yes. Yeah, no, I do. I will say yes. Guess who comes messaging me all the time asking, like, you know, what he should play this tackle play up to on his prize pick slips. This guy who's in the chat talking lots of shit today is always messaging me. I like having Paulson in the chat. This is a good little vibe change here.

Just had a little bit extra free time this afternoon to just blow up the chat. I love it. Just a little bit of extra free time. You guys are always struggling for free time. What's free time? Yeah. I don't know. Ask Paulson.

Yeah. yeah, I don't know. Ask Paulson. Oh, yeah. So, yeah. I mean like people crap on points, but they're like, yeah, you can't talk about points, but I can't get anything down on MGM. It's like,

well, like DraftKings is widely accepted. We all love draft. Like DraftKings, sometimes you can't get peanuts down either. So like, they're not, it just depends on,

you know, how fast your account got cooked on one place and the other and you know some of them are you know they're all bad for the most part so shout out to the sponsors of this show fandle like they'll let me like if i put in 200 then they'll be like hey 155 but like whatever like that's cool like betmgm dude you put in a hundred i just did a show this morning like you put in a hundred like live show ten dollars it was like nine dollars and sixteen cents it's like like re like it's a hundred dollars it's not it's not a lot of money i never bet a lot of money 100 bucks nine dollars sixteen cents drafting the same way too fanduel caesars are the goat they just move pretty quickly no win bro

oh well you guys don't get win do do you? Yeah, we don't. That's like using like Windows 98, man. I mean, that platform. Dude, they don't limit though. Oh, that's good. I've seen Alex from Odd Jam, like he'll throw out tickets $3,500 on it. Like the kids limited literally on every single book

on the planet, like he could bet 35. And I was like, how are you doing this? He might be single-handedly bankrupting them because I don't know a single other person using Wynn outside of you two. You have to be in Massachusetts or I don't know the other states. They have to have a physical presence

in your state. That's the only way you can use them. I think. That's an Illinois long team. Very funny. Yeah, hilarious. of Sportsbooks. Very funny. Yeah, hilarious. The commercials are kind of funny. I'll give them that.

I like Jamie Foxx. Isn't he the guy? One of them? Yeah, Jamie Foxx. They got a nice lion on there. It's like, you know. Yeah. Kevin Garnett.

Vince Vaughn was in a commercial with the Mannings. Yeah, no, they had good commercials. Yeah. True story. In Colorado, I think it's good commercials. Yeah. True story. Colorado, I think it's shutting down. Brutal. I'm an East Coaster slop. I'm from the Seacoast, New Hampshire,

just a little north of Boston. I was moving out here to Illinois, Chicago Burbs for school. This is back in the late 90s. I'm a little older. And my sister at the time was working at – again, this dates the conversation. She was working again she's working at this again this dates the conversation she's working at skytel uh selling pagers business to business okay what's the pager okay yeah i tell skytel pager company uh this woman who was a sales rep with

it was like hey my son uh just moved to california to pursue his acting career your brother can stay with me when he goes to school instead of having to like commute from my sister's house which was almost an hour away they just built this new house come walk through it you can see you get some room um and you know her uh her son vinnie had just moved to california is vince vaughn's mom whoa it was you hookedughn's mom. Whoa. It was, it was like, it was like, your sister is banging Vince Vaughn. I mean,

it's like, Whoa. So do you know him? Like he's one of my favorites. Like that guy just come out. He just moved to California to do the movie. I did not end up moving in with her, but it was interesting at the time of walking

through like his room he just left like so he just moved out of the house that they had just built he had a room like is all his stuff it's like you could stay in here because like Vinny just moved to to California and uh yeah Vince Vaughn uh six degrees of separation Vince Vaughn story who wasn't Vince Vaughn at the time uh so I wasn't even like oh i know i know who vince vaughn is do you regret not moving in i mean it's not a story yeah i think my life would have been very different i think if i had moved in at some point like vince comes home they would have made swingers too and you would have been in it probably probably somewhere in the background yeah so yeah we wouldn't even be having this conversation, most likely. So I'm very thankful you did not.

That's true. How about that? That's a valid point. Yeah. So it looks like Paulson's going to play. He actually met Vince Vaughn. So there's that. Yeah.

Shocked that Paulson, in his spare time, found time to meet Vince Vaughn. Table interviews? That's pretty cool. Well, with the Wedding Crashers cast Vince Vaughn. Table interviews? That's pretty cool. With the Wedding Crashers cast. What is table interviews? What does that mean? I don't know. He did table interviews?

Maybe I'm just, I don't know. I'm not in tune with the scene. Oh, so Purdy on place to be cleared here. So it looks like we're going to have Brock Purdy here, which is interesting. Probably while we move down to three and a half. Connie, you got to feel pretty good. You took a nice little chunk at minus three on San Francisco there.

So Brock star coming back in. So yeah. Yeah. Interesting. Yeah. There's no props out right now so makes sense i'm gonna take a cmc over most likely to cmc oh yeah i mean this is a absolute nut spot so um and he's been seeing all the usage so i think

we're gonna we're gonna i'm gonna take some of that over and then we'll see what the rest of the props come into. I love it. Paulson talks so much. We don't have any time for any other questions in the chat. So we're already over our allotted time, but you know, anything else slot for the folks before they go and let them know where they could find you and what they need to do over at Odds Jam. Odds Jam, best pricing tools in the world two weeks free 14 days yep promo code slop go get it right now if you don't know how to use

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Probably going to pop another prop here in the Discord. Just found one that I really liked that came out. So yeah, it's a good week to get rich, boys. And as our subscribers know, Friday evenings, Fridays after Prop Drop is tackle time. This is when everything starts to get pushed out from the books. You know, it's, we've had like, I think four official plays, five official plays will probably end up close to a dozen this week.

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