Move The Line - Final 2025 NFL Draft Rumors & Bets!

Episode Date: April 23, 2025

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Hello and welcome to Move the Line. It is here. We are in draft season, almost over, which I don't know about you guys. It's this point in its silly season. I almost want it to be over. Joined here as always by Connor Allen, Scott Smith, and a great guest today, a gentleman we've had on before. Absolutely killing it in draft season. If you were not following on Twitter and you're watching the show and you're in the NFL draft, you're a thousand percent missing one of the best folks in the industry, uh, at fantasy law guy on Twitter, Nick Arisco, uh, who was grinding this, was doing live stuff, got his own stuff on

fantasy law guy, uh, his own website. Nick, what's going on, buddy? Welcome back. Appreciate the sentiment here and thanks for having me on it's awesome being on this show Especially like the flag plant final mock show. I'm really excited to be talking to you guys I've known Scott a while we meet up every year and just Scott's allowed me to kind of network with you guys And this is one of the shows I listen to basically every week during the draft season. So even from a mocking perspective, Intel perspective and a betting perspective, y'all, y'all do it all.

Appreciate that. Yeah. I mean, there's people out there. I'll be honest. I mean, two in our home a little bit. People out there that do a better job at like prospecting, right? Is their thing their dynasty fantasy people or like they get in the weeds on the prospect side. We're trying to win bets and have some acrimock drafts. So that's really where we're at. We're not going to get in the weeds on arm length and maybe we'll get in the weeds a little bit here and there. But in terms of like actual people grinding the draft, I put the four of us up here

and Nick's a great addition to what we're doing. We're trying to grind this thoughtfully to win bets. That's why you're here. Hopefully as well. Hopefully we can get some as well. We obviously have a sticking point or maybe we can argue where the sticking point is. I think we all feel pretty good. I don't want to speak out of turn and answer for all of you. But we feel pretty good about the top four currently. If not, Scott, where does it get weird? I made the case earlier that I think the Giants could get weird if there was a spot to get weird

just because, you know, if the Mara family gets involved in a strong arm, they want a quarterback that would be like the one weird wrinkle here. Scott, but where do you think we're at in the top four? Anything you want to discuss in that to start? Yeah, I'm comfortable with the top four where they're going. You've had some late stuff come in. I've heard some rumors about the giants possibly moving down with the Falcons. Um, a couple of other random things with people that would be our teams that would be interested in coming up and trying to make a last second pitch for Abdul quarter from what I've heard so far, the giants have turned down multiple.

Um, offers, including some hefty offers or we're leaking out there from supposedly Chicago even like moving up. I don't know if I believe all of that. I tend to think the top four set and I'm even comfortable saying that the top five is set. I'm comfortable with genteel five. So I'll let y'all kind of take the floor on that and see how y'all feel as far as genteel going at five. But I think at five, it will be Ashton genteel. And it will either be to Jacksonville or to Chicago. That was my follow up question. I'm very uncomfortable with gente for five general Connor. You know, I made a stand and made a decision on

what I'm doing with it to say I'm comfortable with it. Or that it aligns with anything in the betting markets is not the case. But where are you at, Connor? Do you want to push back on anything that Scott said there in terms of top four, top five? In on the top four, I don't even think that there's really too much left worth discussing. I just think that the rumors are, that's all they are. They're rumors. I felt strongly about Campbell at four, the Patriots for a while. It would take a halt for anyone to get three away from the know, three away from the giants, like an

absolute hall. Um, Baldy did talk about a premonition. I think this is a good, interesting point that he had similar wording that he used when, uh, he talked about the Falcons picking a quarterback eighth overall last year with Michael Pennings, uh, brought the same kind of heat said there's gonna be a trade in the top five. I think that'll be Jacksonville, uh, with either, uh, Chicago or Dallas from, uh, 10 or 12 up to five to take Ashendenty. Therefore I think the Jacksonville somehow is some, is somewhat allowed to take him there if they even stick.

I don't know how we got here. I've seen people push back like, Oh, the analytics guys don't like Mason Graham. Like, I don't know how the analytics guys could possibly like taking Ashendenty at five either. Uh, so, but analytics guys don't like Mason Graham. Like I don't know how the analytics guys could possibly like taking Ashton Gentile at five either. Uh, so, but we're here and either this is the best smoke screen ever. Like everyone in the media is convinced that they're taking Ashton Gentile five or we're just taking him. So, uh, I think, I think I'm kind of there. And I'm just going to probably have him there in my final month.

All right, Mick, um, you know, are these guys crazy? Where are we at? Where are you at with the top, I guess five now, which I stared at the fifth position last night and made six mocks with different variations of what's going on at five, including trades. I don't know. The thing is from a mocking standpoint, it's probably pretty sharp to mock them there because you have the situation where Chicago can move up to five. Chicago has been long linked to Gentie. Everybody knows that.

It's been like one of the things that everyone knows that if Gentie falls to 10 to Chicago, they are going to take them. They set themselves up to do so. I don't think they've made their interests very quiet. They actually tried to trade up for Roma Dunze last year. You mentioned the Pinnock situation the Falcons turned them down They tried to move up one spot there Kind of using that as evidence to suggest that they may just feel like this is their offensive guy

They're trying to surround Caleb Williams. I think that it is More likely than probably 25% I would say that Chicago going to end up with genti, but in either case mocking him sliding the merit pick five is Pretty solid because you could also see jacksonville doing it as well. Um Yeah, I mean that's some of the same arguments for genti really come into play with trevor lawrence offensive coach with jacksonville as well really come into play with Trevor Lawrence, offensive coach with Jacksonville as well. And I don't know, maybe it is even a play to get the Raiders to move up one spot.

But to me, it's probably either Jacksonville or Chicago at five. You're seeing a lot of sharp mockers, not just mockers, but people inside the industry, big media guys like McShay and Schrager who are also kind of jumping ship and and climbing on board and Sorry, I should say climbing on board and putting uh, ash and jenny at five Yeah, it uh definitely feels like the wave has gone there. Uh,

So i haven't locked in yet. Um, I think there's an answer to the said it earlier I know at least to share it with uh scott and connor a little bit I think there's an answer to the offensive weapon and the trenches, epic five. You're posturing a little bit to try to get someone to trade. I think it's a great move for Jacksonville. There's new front office and whatnot. But I think Tyler Warren is the answer to offensive and trench needs.

And it's a team that needs pass catchers. It's I think an easier sell than Tet Macmillan. So yeah, it could happen if they trade back for sure. I would love to see Gentie and bears, but, uh, you know, from a betting standpoint, real good for some, uh, pretty big numbers on, I don't know, Warren top five war in top 10. I think is it was a play I made officially for us a couple of days ago. Uh, it's a big number to go five specifically or to the Jags specifically,

or for the Jack draft, I'd end, um, which could even be an out if they trade to trade back to 10 44 to one to go fifth right now. Uh, also there was like some weird stuff in the off season about how like the coaching staff listed Brenton strange is like the fifth target or something like that on the offense. Uh, you know, something like very weird. Uh, it was, I dunno, I, I think that they, that he, that's very much in play. I dunno. It's so I, I mean it's 45 to one. Are you going to put that in your final mock? Is that, we're, are you committed to that? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

That's also Jacksonville 20 to take a tight end. Uh, again, which gives you the out of, if they were to trade back to 10 or whatever that would look like, uh, which is probably better, but like look in the mock space, who gives a rip if you're 20th in the mock draft, right? It's, you know, it's if you're not first, you're last, you may as well, you know, swing for the fences. Connor and I finished pretty poorly last year.

There was no repercussions for finishing poorly. I'm very much up for finishing poorly again this year. But the leverage that you get, you know, in a spot where I also think it's just in play, right? Like it's a team that got rid of they moved on from Evan Ingram, they moved on from Christian Kirk. It is Brian Thomas Jr. and nothing else. It's Parker Washington, they're you know, Gabe Davis, like they need, Dymie Brown, they need pass catchers. Dymie was a one year deal too, I think. So it's like, they still, they need some stuff long term in terms of playmaker. So yeah, I'm not going to, you know, cape up for that too, too hard. But it's like, they still they need some stuff long term in terms of playmakers. So yeah, I'm not going to, you know,

cave up for that too, too hard. But yeah, monotone. Good question. Thoughts on Mason Graham feels like he should have some value no longer being favored fifth markets responded a little bit there, Connor, obviously, since that's moved off of the chalk. Yeah, I like, I there's no one talking about anymore. And like, all the reports are like, oh, the Jags are going offense. And so I've had a tough time with that.

I don't know, Scott or Nick, if you have any other like notes on that, because I just, I haven't bought back. I thought I was going to, and I just can't get there anymore. The one thing that I look at specifically is you've had multiple big name media guys come out and say, Mason Graham isn't the pick at five. And what they're not saying is that he's not the pick for the Jaguars. It's just that he's not the pick at five and what they're not saying is that he's not the pick for the Jaguars. It's just that he's not the pick at five. I think there's very much a situation in play where Chicago comes up and maybe gets Gentie and Mason Graham slides back to ten and is

still the pick for the Jaguars. I think that is still in play. I think you could almost see a situation where even if GenT is the pick at five to Jacksonville, I could very much see Chicago draft in Mason Graham. The question mark for me really comes in at nine to the Saints is where would the Saints or where would Carolina and some of those teams be in on Mason Graham? Yeah, Nick, same thing. Jets, we ruled out, Scott didn't reference it. Thoughts on Mason Graham and where he can land inside, outside the top 10 if he were to move on and not be the fifth.

I think he's in play at seven. It's not my first choice there because of my instinct. The best argument I've seen for Mason Graham at seven is that Aaron Glenn, defensive guy wants to set the culture there. And I have seen some reports out there from some pretty credible sources that Aaron Glenn, I believe it was Brea mentioned that Aaron Glenn wants to go defense, but some other people in the organization may want to play, go offense with that pick, whether it's Kelvin Banks, whether it's Tyler Warren, whether it's Armand Mimbu, who is initially chalked there, but now it's kind of seem to drift in the Kelvin Banks direction, at least in offensive tackle. So you're looking at a range between and I even think six with the Michigan's connection. You're looking at a wide range

now, you know, relatively speaking for Mason Graham, where you're talking, you know, at six, I think 10 is kind of the sweet spot. I'm also seeing some prominent mockers mock him even to 11, 12, maybe even 13. I think Schrager is all the way down to, where is he? Yeah, 13 right there. And Schrager is always pretty plugged in. Tough situation for Graham because he's had a quiet draft season.

A lot of it was by choice. And now, because he's had such a quiet pre-draft process, a lot of people are struggling to link him specifically to teams, even though a team like Scott suggested, like Carolina, the Saints, and Chicago may have like a need. You just, you've never seen Graham linked specifically to those teams throughout the process. So he's tough to slot. Yeah, it's true. Scott, are you out on Graham? Are you on on Graham to the Jets, Scott? Was that not being not an option?

Yeah, I'm, I'm not in on them to the Jets. I've heard such similar things that Aaron Glenn has been pushing for a defensive guy and that he's likely to get overruled by both the, the front office and analytics department possibly. I think that the Jets are squarely between two players. I think it's Tyler Warren and Kelvin Banks are the two players that I've heard from multiple intel sources that those are the players that they're choosing from. You've had some Jadai Baron stuff come up. I just brushed that off. Does it make sense to me? Both upon the evaluation and a neat aspect for the Jets.

So I think I'm out on Graham at seven. I think I would have. I think he I think he would more likely go at six to the Raiders than go to the Jets. Yeah. Tony Pauline brought up a interesting point about Christian Wilkins injury. And like they're unsure about that because I think initially I had crossed him off like entirely from the Raiders board because I mean, they just, they need six other things other than, you know, front seven. And so like that just wouldn't make sense to keep, you know, I think at certain point there's straight, like some positivity towards like strengthening your strengths, but I don't

think in that situation there. So, um, and then another follow up from Gus Scott, Fred, which is honestly a really tough question. I said, I have a large position on genti fifth at eight to one. Is there a smart way to hedge that? No, it's just not clean, right? It's just, there's like, could they pick Tet? Could they pick Tyler Warren? Could they actually end up being Mason Graham team?

Like I don't know. I fifth is just not a team that I have very much insight into outside of like publicly Yeah, that's it's a new staff. So they've been tight-lipped. You're not getting as much as what you used to have coming out of there Really if it's not gente at five You have to have something happen with those first three to four picks change. And I'm talking something where the Patriots and the random stuff that you've heard, I don't see it happening. I just think if your position is there and without knowing how much exactly you played, I think that's the line in the saying that you drew and decided to stand on.

Yeah, but we've heard from even today, Mike Reese, pats are very open to moving off of four phones now ringing, which makes a ton of sense, right? It's the highest place to get up to. And what are you moving up to? Right? No one's, you know, I will Campbell could very much be there, you know, way later for them, right? Which is, I understand why no one would want to, you know, move down.

But like I said, phone's not ringing, Pat's just in it for, and, you know, that seems to be a lock. Okay. You guys seem a little bit more clear on what I think is such a trickle down effect for the rest of the draft, right? There's these pillars, and this kind of speaks to what I think we were talking about before we even hit record is The variance of the nature right Nick right behind him has VR's lovely draft sheet up behind him and shout out to VR

You know find them on Twitter at Vegas refunds You know, it's a little less worth its weight today than it has been over the like the last couple of months But still worthwhile than checking out and the range of where some of these guys are going It's just really wild the amount of where some of these guys are going is just really wild. The amount of guys that are getting mocked into first rounds and the amount of guys that have a range, meaning we're seeing them mocked from eight to 30 is wild to me more so than any other year. It just feels like you have offensive linemen, edge rushers, interior defensive linemen as being real strong

and deep. But these teams were finding out in terms of where they have these guys ranked on their own personal big boards is very different. And that can lead itself to being someone that could go super duper early, depending on where that team is. And then really late. And they're really the difference between the player is pretty flat just in terms of prospect evaluations.

These guys seem to be a little bit more clear on five. I don't understand it, but they are. And then six becomes a little bit of like, okay, can that be Banks or Memboo? We're getting conflicting source reports that we could have some conflict there, which makes it really challenging. The Saints have been, I think, a point of contection for everyone as well. Scott's been one of your teams. I know both of you were dialed in down there. The market was inefficient because there was obvious movement with the Derek Card news that quarterback was going to be where they were going.

We have heard very steadily throughout here the last couple of weeks that it is not quarterback. The market has caught up a little bit in terms of positional value being flat. But now Mason Graham also throws another little loophole into what could be maybe a really clear offensive line to need for them. But now maybe a defensive lineman falls to them too, Nick. Any thoughts where you're at currently

or where the Saints stand at nine? My instinct was to, I had that same exact question. My instinct was to I had that same exact question. My instinct is to actually believe that the Saints are in on Mason Graham. Despite taking you know defensive tackle two years ago. I don't think they've given up on Brzee but I just think that Graham might be able to provide something different and I don't think he's done enough in his career so far to justify passing on Graham. That being said, everything that the Saints have done so far has been to really kind of

shed some light on like, hey, we're taking offensive line or at least prioritizing offensive line. Catherine Terrell just reported today that the Saints aren't picking up Trevor Penning's fifth year option. So the right tackle is going to be, you know, a whole next year. And then you also have an still you still have a vacancy at left guard. You still have a huge vacancy there. Not to mention Kellen Moore is coming from Dallas and Philadelphia, these two organizations that prioritize offensive line in the past. And of course, Nick Underhill has also been kind of beating the drum pretty consistently.

Hey, should we, you know, kind of hinting, hey, should we prioritize offensive line a little more? Should the Saints be done there? And the answer seems to be unequivocally no. They've been linked to Tyler Booker and Josh Connolly in the last 24 hours by the betting markets in the public. And then you've also had a situation where the hot name before then was Kelvin Banks. So you have three guys that the Saints could be in on. We haven't even suggested the idea that if Memboo falls there, what would they do there? All reading through all the tea leaves. It just seems like the Saints big picture really want offensive line at nine. I agree that Mason Graham could throw a wrench into the situation.

I wouldn't be surprised if they stick and pick though, like even, even allowing Graham to fall. Scott. Yeah. Look, you listen to the press conference with Mickey Lewis and stuff and he says that both he and Kellen Moore in agreeance, they're going to build through the lines. I think that squarely puts things in the trenches. I leaned towards offense.

You look at this team. Cam Jordan is cooked. I think Brian Brazil and I've said this before has a redundant skill set to what you're going to see out of Mason Graham. The other thing that I tend to come back to a little bit, this team spent a second round pick on Isaiah Foskey and have gotten nothing out of him the last two years. I think some egos get involved sometimes in the front office with evaluations and while

he hasn't done anything the last two years, switching to a three, four and possibly being able to play him at in may still give some hope that he's still a viable talent for them moving forward. I think they let that play out for another year with this new defense and I think it's imperative for the Saints to go offense side of the ball especially if they're gonna entice a new quarterback whether that be a rookie or somebody else next year or second round this year you know with you know Shug has been kind of the one that's been getting the most heat and steam here

recently in New Orleans I just think it's offense. I think it's going to be offensive line. And there have been some names pop up over the last few days, both from Underhill and from some other sources and not just in one place. So we've heard some things for about four or five days that we haven't reported that are starting to come out. And it's interesting. We always love that, Connor. Historically, that's been the test, right? Is that when there's something that is kind of making its way to us, that slowly in the next day or two becomes public in a different way, then that feels like it's coming from multiple sources and is maybe a little bit stronger than stuff in the past and offensive line is definitely that. Yeah, I think also an interesting tell is that

because now there's exchanges where you can post up certain amounts of dollars on things. So a name popped up recently to be drafted in the top 10 and someone tried to get down last night $16,000 on them, you know, randomly at ProfitX. So that's notable. It's interesting. I don't, I'm fairly certain that that was not within my network of people. You know, so yeah, I thought that was notable. But yeah, I would guess that the Saints go offensive line or Mason Graham. But like, I think all logically that like what Scott said, what Nick said, like, I just don't know if that's gonna be the case. There's also like an interesting quote from, you know, the Loomis Presser that essentially was, was him saying like, we don't

need a player to be a home run, just need a good player can sleep at night, knowing you have the position covered for the next eight to 10 years. So I think that that can lead you to a couple of different directions and thoughts there on, you know, who could go there. It sounds like offensive line, like when you put it like that. Yeah, right. Yeah. Yeah, logically, both offensive and defensive line make a ton of sense. I don't have a bigger position really in the draft overall and just variations of Saints at nine, variations of Saints offensive line. I look at my ledger of the amount of bats and like, almost like, I don't know,

over 30 bats. I think I like eight of them contingent on what happens at nine. It's just kind of because we felt like there was a market inefficiency there for a while with the quarterback. So. And I think there's still a market inefficiency when you start looking almost every one of the players that are projected to go at nine or plus odds and plus 300 or higher range with the top one I think being what plus 350 on the co Williams right now. Yeah, so the Georgia guys are still playing a role in that, like, I guess, inefficiency if you're not buying that the Saints are into defensive line and you do want to target offense, then yeah, Mike L Williams, I think it was plus 400 last time I saw it and he was the favorite.

And we've done a lot of homework on them. We were at the UGA pro day and stuff like that. I keep saying we because because I'm in New Orleans, but excuse me. But the Saints have done a lot of homework on on all these you jail and Walker and Michael Williams. But like Scott said, the Foskey pick last year and it's kind of tough to, it's kind of tough to go defense in my opinion. If it's not Graham, I would put Graham over Michael Williams.

Yeah, it's even like you can shoot the board it plus money guys to go nine. You can cover yourself and just find Saints to draft offensive line. It's probably, I don't know what the number is there. Probably still bettable. Two to one. Yeah. Yeah.

Okay. Still bettable, right? So, you know, it's not nine and 12 a couple of days ago, but we've, you know, finally caught up a little bit. So, but again, quarterback was like minus 130 for a solid week there. So people thought that that was definitely happening. And a lot of national mocks had a door there. That was a Jackson.

Warren was a big player there as well. Yeah. But Tyler Warren at the time when we first got in and Tyler Warren, Connor was in the 20s as well. That was definitely still off market. So the Saints have been just kind of a wild spot here. Brian's asking about trades over under four and a half minus 115. A flat number is weird, but I guess, you know, I've seen some mocks.

Buddy Amico in particular got pretty aggressive with mocks, who were trades in his mock. We've seen more and more national mocks with trades here. Nick, what's your instinct here on the number of trades? It's pretty weak draft class and you keep hearing the same sentiment over and over again that these teams value a lot of players between picks 20 or 15 and 50, they say. I think they say that every year to be honest with you. However this year it does feel like Daniel daniel jeremiah keeps calling it a starters draft not a studs draft I think that there will be trades but it doesn't seem like a draft where you're making big splashes I think it's going to be a bunch of little minor You know move up

Maybe two or three spots, move back. You've had a lot of teams rumored to move back, like the Vikings and the Falcons and the commanders, and to name a few, honestly, there's several more. You're not hearing a lot of teams that wanna move up, and that's pretty telltale sign, usually, that there's not gonna be too, too many trades. I just don't really foresee like a maybe other than

bears moving to five. I don't really foresee like a big splash trade. I'm not really buying the Denver stuff right now. Yeah, this feels like a good number to me, Connor. It doesn't feel like a bettable edge per se that I beat, you know, in terms of some other things that are out there, plus money versus just the trades at minus 150s. I mean, it's kind of like betting over two and a half quarterbacks. So you're just betting on trades at the end of the first round that no one has any idea about. Also, I think that Atlanta is somewhat live, probably to trade up from 15 if possible. I know that there was a report in Pauline's thing that it was like six teams

ahead of the Bears are interested in trading down, which I just thought was hilarious because I'm like, well, yeah, I mean like everyone outside of them basically is probably somewhat interested in trading down. So I just thought that was, that was funny. Cause like everyone wants of them basically is probably somewhat interested in trading down. So I just thought that was that was funny because like everyone wants trade down and no one wants to trade up. So I think gunned ahead probably lean under on the trades. But yeah, there could be a lot of like two to three pick swaps that are like inconsequential.

And there was also reports saying the teams are like offering 70 cents in the dollar basically to trade down because they know that like it's it's dire. So yeah, I don't expect a ton of trades to be honest. Let me say this. I would I would flat out not just wouldn't bet a flat number like that. Like if it's four, I'm not playing that number. It's either got to be four and a half or it made me twitch a little bit too. Just I don't know why that was. I'm not playing a flat number like that. The two places that I think really need to be looked at as far as trades. And you saw the Rams, I think it was in Schrager's draft as far as a spot. But I think Minnesota at 24, they need more picks. And I think Washington at 29, there's reports coming in that the Giants have been in contact with Washington as well as a few other teams as far as them. I think Washington's a primary trade back spot. And the reason why is I think they have a group of players

that are all around the same kind of area. It could be a Mecca Bucca, it could be Trevion Henderson, it could be Nick Scorton, it could be Donovan Azuruku, could be one of the cornerbacks. I think they're in a BPA type of situation where they can move back with, say the Giants, like three or four picks and still get a player that they have right there at the same. So I think Washington is a team I would look at to, to trade back out of the

first. Yeah. It's the bills right there too. I'm it's a, it's definitely a cluster. Sorry, Connie. Yeah. One, no, no worries. One, uh, more little pop quiz here for Nick and Scott that I'm sure they know

the answer to when was the last time that not, not in the first round ever. When did the last time that Mickey Loomis traded back in a draft? I don't think it's ever ha has it ever happened. I mean, per what I was looking at was 2007, 2007 gosh, it seems like we trade being involved in anything. I don't even like, I was like, I don't even know that's possible. Like, I'm just trying to think of who was drafted that year. Right. Like it was like, I think that was the, that was the year that they were in San Antonio, wasn't it? Yeah. Um, yeah. He's been 26 trades to move up since then. And Lazen traded back since

in the draft since 2007. That's kind of the thing too is like, we've heard the whole like, saints want to trade back. Like you're telling me that the guy who's never traded back in his entire career is gonna take 70 cents on the dollar to trade back and then knock at the guy that he wants.

Like I just find that very hard to believe. Now he's way more willing to mortgage the future to move up. Yeah. That guy keeping his job for, I'm not saying he's not a poor job, I'm just saying like, keep turning stuff over. That salary cap situation, it's absolutely wild. Poor Scott here. Bet my kid's college fund on Imbuco over 26 and a half. Should I tell my kid's college is overrated or I'm okay because Buko is a classic good at everything, great at nothing prospect. So look, I mean, Nick's not the right guy to chime in.

He's got all the degrees on the wall behind it, but look, I can tell you just, I have kids now. I mean, Scott trade school's not bad. Just save yourself a ton of money. No, I don't know. I mean, obviously I think there's an out at 25, but I know, you know, 28 and a half, you know, smart people that were banging over 28 and a half, 29 and a half. He's definitely I think, you know, in that range. So I'll Scott you have any liens on Scott's children's future.

I think there's three outs for a buka before that number. Three outs for a buca before that number. I think Seattle has an outside shot at being an out. Love to watch that offense. I think you have Houston as an out and I think the Packers would be the other out. Those are the three teams that I would look at. But one thing look, a book has been one of those players that a lot of people have not had in their mock drafts, and he's been getting steam and more and more mock drafts as you go there, and a lot of it has to do with the interview process.

They think he's a solid player from both personal level and his skill level. So I tend to think he's going to end up finding a way. I just don't know if it's going to be before that 26. I think the most likely out before that 26 would be Houston. So Houston still solidly plus money is there when these are taking an offensive lineman. So you like the Texans to take a receiver. I think that that's a could be in play I've seen more Denver receiver stuff today than I was expecting. I still don't buy that based off of Sean Payton's multiple interviews here,

but I don't know where you're at, Scott. Also, Charlie, appreciate your generosity. Hot Take, he thinks Igboog is in play 22 with the Chargers. This is the problem with the Chargers, the problem with the Seahawks, the problem with the Packers, even in my opinion is pretty much their best receivers or slot receivers. What in the world is Seattle going to do if they take Ibuka and they have three slots? Who's what are they like? It's just going to be it's you know, you have JSN, Cooper Cup and you have to go five whites. You can fit these other guys, you know, close to the line just to have them fit on the inside. So yeah, I don't know. Next to nothing along the defensive line like past this year. So,

and then you have two players that are squarely in Harbaugh's wheelhouse, both from Michigan and Loveland and Kenneth Grant. So, like Bucca while in consideration would not be either the top two choices there for chargers at 22 in my opinion. Yeah. Mama, Kev, la, la, McConkey too. Did you see, have you seen the quote Harbaugh about kind of grant a gift from the football gods? Yeah.

This guy fucking gets it. Uh, Nick, what he got for us? Uh, I would add, I will Johnson might be available for the charges as well. I'm not sure how Harbaugh perceives that, but I would throw him into the mix now that we're seeing the fall being more substantial than we may have projected a couple of days ago. A lot of people knew throughout the process he was going to fall, but I think there are going to be a lot of mocks that have him available for the charges at least at 22. I have also heard, I forgot the user's name, I have heard that the charges have shown a little bit of interest in Iguca I think it's a matter to answer your question, right? I think it's a matter in the echo scott

They like his personality so much that they just want to get him in the building and just kind of see what works They think he's going to be a good leader. He's someone who's shined throughout the process with interviews and everything Uh, he's really tough to slot. I've tweeted about this ad nauseum honestly, because I don't know what, there are a couple outs. I think Houston's the most logical one, especially if there's offensive linemen go early, because I think Houston's really, really probably in on Zable and Connerly and Booker from, they need leadership as well there.

If they're all gone, which many are projecting to be, then yeah, Ibuka could land there. Seattle was mentioned as a trade back candidate. If they trade back, especially if they miss out on Zable, I would be looking at Ibuka there, despite the redundancy of the fit with JSN and CUP that you mentioned. Seattle, Rob Staten's been on one about saying that they're

gonna draft a good personality there, high character player, and Ibuca is kind of the top of the list there. And then the commanders are another team that maybe if they stick and pick, giving Jaden Daniels another weapon, Thibaut Daniels entering contract year. I believe McLaurin, not that I'm suggesting McLaurin's gonna go, but I believe he's also in a contract year as well. So just something to note with the commanders. Maybe they don't think he's gonna be there and he ends up falling there. But yeah, I think the line's pretty sharp at 29 he's he is tough to slot in a mock. Honestly, like Houston's probably the most predictable option because it's tough to sit here. You got to really take a stand to mock him at Seattle at 18.

You really have to take a stand to do that. Houston's probably the most logical option. But like you mentioned offensive line should be the favorite there. So he's tough to slot. I wouldn't be shocked if he goes on early on day two, but I think most mockers are trying to squeeze him in for the personality purposes. Yeah. And Scott mentions too, Houston already has Christian Kirk, they obviously acquired him from Jacksonville. We've at least seen Kirk play on the outside a little bit more than some of these other guys. So, but again, like some of this is conjecture, these teams have a better idea. Connor, what do you got? But again, like some of this is conjecture these teams have a better idea Connor. What you got? Yeah, and I I wanted to kick it to this this question. I've just been staring at here for like, you know a minute or two

Talk to me about Jerry world Amiko Scott this one's gonna be directed at you I think you've gotten the Cowboys pick right like I don't know three or four years in a row basically. So I think we've talked about in other shows, but it's anything changed. I know that you looked at, at golden as an option, but, uh, lay it on us. What do you got? Yeah. Um, I'm still on unread trying to verify the last bit of the Cowboys information this morning. Um, look, the last thing I said, and it was that, um, my information has had golden over TET, um, Macmillan.

I know all the Cowboys beat writers and local guys there in Dallas are kind of salivating over TET, but, um, the last thing that I heard, and it's from somebody associated with the Cowboys organization in a working capacity, shall we say? Um, it, I've just heard that they like his, his route running and ability to get open on in and out breaking routes and his speed over the contested catch stuff that Tett McMillan brings. That's the last thing I've heard. The most recent stuff that you've kind of seen pop up is that they have some interest

in some offensive linemen if the board breaks a certain way. As of right now, I have Matthew Golden slotted in my mock draft. And I know Tony Pauline and some information that he put out today feels the same way as well. So it's at least substantiated by another mainstream media guy as well. That's where I'm at. I'm about 80% that that's going to be my final. And the last 20% is holding out for one particular contact to take me off of unread. I Don't know what's Schrager's hit rate is with Dallas over the years did see Tyler Booker mocked to Dallas today

which I think is Not nothing. You're sure you're obviously super plugged in but but yeah, still Ryan with Scott's. I played receiver, first position drafted to Dallas, so I'm hoping, I don't care which one it is, just give me one of them. I know Amiko for his bags, he's trying to make sure that Golden gets over the line here. I want to quench my family's thirst on the tears of the 10 bulls prayers up. Um, it feels like a sub comments. Cause I guess definitely in this group, I am the tech bowl of the group for sure. Um, but you know, Hey, again, I'm not cheering against the Miko.

I've told him, you know, separately. I, one thing I will, one thing I will jump in on Dallas is that there's questions as to whether or not if Golden and Tet are both on the board, who's the guy? And that's the question. But I think the other thing that makes a lot more sense with Matt, with Golden ending up is if tech goes before, um, I think Golden has a narrower range with how these teams view him.

Whereas Tets is some teams have him high and some teams have him low. I don't think there's that much in between. And so I think Tets has a possibility of being the first wide receiver off the board. And that would definitely push, in my opinion, Golden to Dallas. But as of right now, even with Tet being on the board, I tend to lean towards Golden. Yeah, from a mocking strategy standpoint, I agree. I think that if you know that Golden, we don't know anything, but if we're pretty certain that there are no Golden teams prior to Dallas, and you're not as certain that McMillan,

there aren't McMillan teams, then I do think it's pretty prudent to, as a tiebreaker at least strategically, I think it's pretty prudent to mock Golden to Dallas there. Yeah. This is a separate conversation and discussion. This is why one mocking system in grading is significantly better in my my opinion, than another. Without getting, this is again, inside baseball,

not a great lesson for people, but like, you know, being directionally correct shouldn't get you some points in a different way than that. So again, we've talked about that. Comment here from Jacob, Tampa first draft position thoughts. Campbell has been linked there. Obviously there are some questions with

the shoulder pushing him lower. Part of it has been football takey. Part of it is also just looking at the roster and the depth chart. It's a great football player with a team that loves to, first of all has a need at linebacker and absolutely loves to blitz their linebackers. We're talking about a converted edge rusher to off-ball linebacker who's been awesome at both. This is a five-star recruit off the edge from IMG Academy who transitioned very successfully to off-ball linebacker. His shoulder's going to be okay. Smart team should take him. I've been of the thought that Arizona and Tampa are home run spots for him. I understand there are concerns that front offices might have now with the

labrum here. Nick, any thoughts that you have specifically on Campbell and what you're looking to do with him with Tampa Bay or, you know, anything you want to take care? I've had a mock the Tampa Bay for about a month, but I've just pivoted off that all for all the reasons you stated. I think he's such a great fit in Tampa. And I do, part of me says that I should stay in Pat because having Levante David there is a real luxury that Tampa Bay has and they could maybe kind of sit out, kind of sit and wait on that injury to heal. Levante David is probably entering the last year of his career probably, not to mention his contract.

But so maybe he could learn under Lavante David kind of be like a year, but the Bucks are really trying to contend right now. I'm probably going to pivot off it with the news kind of confirming that he's going to drop lower than or that teams are very concerned about medicals. I want to my instinct right now is to keep them in round one, but probably closer to that commander's Ravens section toward the end of the round, as opposed to height, uh, as opposed to 19 with the bucks. I think the bucks are kind of his ceiling now and his floor is unfortunately, it's, it's probably round two. Arizona fans who dig around a little bit, Connor have PTSD. As I mentioned, yesterday, I've heard the Falcons like them. I want to add that.

I've heard the Falcons like him in a trade down situation, but not at 15. They should. He's really, really, really good. Um, anyway, sir, Vasya Dennis right now, again, real person slotted to be the second linebacker for a team that uses two linebackers on almost 100% of the snaps. Um and last year they were rotating multiple guys because um you know, they had issues in coverage with the second linebacker and Levanti David very much in the twilight of his career um across the board.

So um thoughts on Tampa first position or anything around Campbell or Connor? Yeah, I thought you just like mush mouth three words together when he said that guy's name. I wasn't, I didn't think that was like that. I made you look it up. Remember last season? It's a real person. Yeah, that's so good. So right now we're looking at the odds of Tampa is like minus or plus 155 D line edge plus 190 linebacker. Then he's like corner line, et cetera. I'm going to have him probably picking Donovan E and Campbell falling a little bit. I just, you know, I, I, I agreed at first, like, I think that the

injury is probably not going to be a big deal in the long, long term. Now that there's rumors of him ending up on pop to start the season, like that's just a tough asker in the top 20. So like, he's probably a good player. I think that's just a tough thing. Like for any team there, I played a good bit of over 18 and a half with some juice. Um, I don't know what the current numbers are at right now, but I mean,

he's only out is Arizona. So, you know, it's like, you could still go 19 and still win. So like, uh, I, I really, I don't see him as an outfit 16 or 17 and 15 in a trade back. I feel pretty good about the Falcons taking a defensive lineman at 15 laid some juice there on them taking a defensive lineman or edge, uh, which I think is like a virtual certainty barring a trade up for Jaylen Walker. So, which I don't think is going to happen. So, um, you know, that's, yeah, it's, it's, uh, if you're looking for bridge jumpers, you know,

I think that that's a, that's one of them right there that, you know, can lay some juice on it. It'd be empty, some credit if you got anything left over tomorrow at the buzzer. Scott, I want your thoughts on this. Yeah. Um, and then I want you to expand and I will go around because this kind of leads to another thing that I wanted to talk about today, which I think is really hard for us, I think for a betting and mocking standpoint is we have a couple of different things that work. One is the injury questions. We have the injury question here with Campbell. We also have some reports on Derek Harmon's injury issues. Didn't miss any games. I'm not quite sure what that is or how teams are concerned about it, but it's a thing. There's medical red

flags. Could have been in the physical more so than an injury, right? Could be an irregular heartbeat. Who knows? Medical red flags. And then we have the character issues, right? We have these situations where we have a handful of guys, James Pierce, Mike Green, we heard even a little bit of Walter Nolan. And there's certain teams that just will simply cross those guys off and will not consider them. And then you had, you know, McShea yesterday come out and say specifically that Atlanta at 15 Cincy at 17 aren't really concerned with the character issues. They will draft the right guy for them. They're comfortable They've done their work on that. So a little bit of the Campbell question and then how are you parsing through the injury and character concerns? Well, I'll jump right into Campbell

Initially they were saying that they didn't think the labor room was going to be a problem. Now they think the recovery is going to be into late August and possibly put them on the pump to start the season. So that's one thing. The main issue is doctor did send teams a letter saying that he'll be fine to go again. And that's, I don't know if that's like, I just took my physical and I weigh 220 pounds type of letter from the doctor or if that's something completely different, you know, but the other thing that has popped up with Campbell from an injury standpoint,

and I think it makes, I think it's a very valid concern is you have teams and you have players that get drafted and get labeled throughout the process as a one contract player. Um, a perfect example of it is Ryan Ramchak. It was known that he had a degenerative knee, he would have gone much higher in the draft had he not, but you don't want to be a team that gets into a situation where you have a player like Ramchek who plays well through the first four years. You sign

him to a contract extension at big money that he's only able to get through one year on and you're just just left holding a bag with a player that you've got nothing out of in the last two years. Campbell falls into that from my understanding with a degenerative knee issue. And that's one of the things that's going to push him down. Are some of these teams comfortable with him just being a one contract player and maybe getting five years out of them? I don't know how that works, But to me, that pushes them down.

As far as character concerns with some of these other teams, I think sexual assault, we've heard, we've heard any type of sexual assault for certain teams automatically takes them off the board. Other things that you hear out of a player like James Pierce, for example, has to do with not hustling on the run to being entitled and, you know, showing up to meetings late and maybe not doing workouts and showing up to that stuff. I think teams in front of offices, when it comes to stuff like that, it's very dependent. I think you need to go ahead and look and find connections to those players. But I think you also have to look at the teams that are

structured to be able to, to deal with that from, you know, a veteran leadership, from a coaching type of standpoint, if they feel like they have a good locker room that can absorb that and pull that type of player up to what their, what their values and standards are within that team and then within that organization, I think teams tend to overlook that. Yeah, that's great. Nick, anything to add to that? I do think a lot of the character concerned players, not all of them. We're seeing a lot of buzz for Walter Nolan,

his stuff involved, according to Bruegler, being on six different teams in the last seven years, a lot of people talk about maturity there, but I think that it's more likely that these injury concerns and these character concerns, they do tend to slide. I wouldn't be surprised if Loveland slid, even though there's buzz on all of them because they're so talented.

And which one, which is the one team that's going to, you know, ignore the medicals, ignore the character and take them. Yeah, it might involve certain doctors on the team that give them a go ahead. And also might involve what Scott's saying, that they just feel comfortable takingahead. And also might involve what Scott's saying, that they just feel comfortable taking a player. It also might involve desperation, right? The Falcons may be desperate enough to take a risk on Mike Green

when they otherwise normally wouldn't. Maybe the GM and the head coach are on the hot seat. So there are a variety of factors in play when you're kind of mocking that kind of stuff. You can't just go slot it based on need because there's more to the picture and there's a lot of context that needs to be kind of dove into. But my instinct usually kind of been tracking the draft for the last several years, decade-ish. Typically these players with these

red flags do tend to fall on draft night and it's not always, it's not a guarantee, but more often than not, in my experience, like when you're leaning toward like, Hey, should I move Campbell down with these known medical concerns or should I not? More often the answer is unfortunately, yes, you should probably move them down. Connor, anything to add? I think it's a useful discussion. No, I think that they, they hit on most of it there. I mean, it's like, I feel like honestly,

for most of the injury stuff, we mostly relied on Scott to kind of dig deep into that. And like, you know, that's been super useful in years past. Again, I think that like, it just increases the range of outcomes specifically. Something I think we should talk about here too, would be sort of the rising, uh, you know, smoke of Walter Nolan.

I don't like, this has been crazy. Like Ricky, you know, tweeted out, he's going top 10. So we were talking about go to Carolina, head of Michael Williams, potentially head of Jalen Walker. Um, I'm not buying that at all. I think that he could go 11th, uh, our boy, you know, Twitter rando of the week, a couple of the weeks ago, ago, lobs all day tweeted out the Walter Nolan is player number one in his two player list of the 49ers.

So if you value that at all, I don't know. But I think that there was a sharp mock that had him at 11 this morning actually. Yeah, Peter Schrager, Peter Schrager had had Walter Nolan 11th overall as well. So, you know, maybe loves all day just cloud chasing from Schrager But you know, I think it's I think it's kind of live like that Especially with Kelvin Banks expected to go off the board earlier than the possible and the whole Will Johnson Injury kind of thing lingering a little bit like maybe the Niners go with Walter Nolten that wouldn't that wouldn't surprise me at all Yeah, it's it's a tricky. He's definitely flying up the boards. People like the tape, but it's definitely a spot where you have to pay for it. Josh is talking about here. Zable before Campbell minus 200 or Campbell over 18 and a half minus 270.

None of those are super enticing to me. Again, it could be the last man standing on the Campbell Island here. Um, Campbell two 70. Um, I think that's just, uh, give me the extra 70 cents. I mean, I think it goes before Campbell. Um, but I don't want to be the one I vote. Yeah. Like, yeah, I'll say this. If Campbell was healthy, I think he'd be a 12 to 15 range player. Yeah. I'll say this. If Campbell was healthy, I think he'd be a 12 to 15 range player.

Yeah. Look, if I go to Home Depot to go buy a barbecue pit and it's got a dent in it, I'm not paying full price. Like you just look the same though. Yeah. But whenever you come over and I got to show this grill off, I'm not going to judge you for a fucking dense in your grill. Like just cook the food. I don't know. Just don't don't burn steak. I don't know. I think it'll be all right. But I get it. I get your point. I get your point. Uh, Connor, I want to mention, I want to actually agree with what you said, going back to Walter Nolan. Um, I want to agree that I'm not necessarily buying the Carolina buzz, but it's more, it's not along the lines of like a need perspective. It's more along the lines of, they've, I think

they're a team that's really going to emphasize getting the right people in the building, not players, but like people, right? And the two things you keep hear, that we keep hearing about Michael Williams is that he's such a mature leader for a 20-year-old. He's so young. He's one of the younger first round picks in the whole class. And then you also hear about Jalen Walker, amazing personality, like literally maybe the top leader personality in the entire class. And then you kind of, you know, the dichotomy between them and maybe Walter Nolan, I think that's going to kind of be the tiebreaker if there is one. So I'm not really buying the Carolina Nolan smoke, but I am buying San Francisco at 11, and I'm also buying Miami at 13, especially from a needs standpoint. You have two GMs that have prioritized D-line. They've got so many defensive linemen in the last couple of years.

They love taking defensive linemen. They both need defensive linemen. They both need defensive linemen. They're barren on the depth chart for both of them. And you also have GMs that have been shown to take a risk. Miami's GM Greer and John Lynch take risk every, like they're one of the, I would say, argue the top risk-taking GMs in terms of picking players who may be coming off an injury or whatever it is.

So I'm buying Nolan to them. The other Nolan team is probably Cincinnati at 17. So yeah, you're looking at a situation where a couple of weeks ago, not a lot of people hesitated to put them in a mock. And now you're looking at a situation where people like Schrager and Albert Brea are substantiated the fact that I'm not the fact but the the notion that he's going to be Going in the teens he's talented player and sounds like a little in this respect the character concerns a little bit overblown But I'm looking at 11 13 and 17 for specifically for Nolan

Make sense. I I think Atlanta's in play too as well 15 if Mike William is gone I wonder I mean Niners draft defensive lineman plus 105 at Fandl right now. Like the way the board shaking up, if all those offensive linemen go early, you're looking at maybe Mike Hell's there, maybe Walter Nolan's there. I don't know if they're interested in Shamar Stewart. Like they might be. He was on Lobs top four list. Yeah. He was on Lobs.

His original top four. I'm going to wind it down to two. Stuart was on the list. Bank of England, he was on lobs top four list. Yeah, you know what? He was I'm not sure he was on lobs his original top four. I'm gonna win it down to two Yes, Stuart was on the West banks was the only offensive lineman Then it was yeah, I mean Stuart was on that list. I could be worth betting. I just don't like Who else are they gonna go with like that's what I've kind of struggled with them honestly for a while Like I don't know. Yeah, has anyone any of you finalize your mock yet and you go in a different direction or no, I haven't either, but just think that's

I'm about at 14 as far as finalizing. I've gotten through most of the top, most of those topics. Chicago is the one that's kind of hanging out for me a little bit. But yeah, it's I'm sitting here on San Francisco. I started doing it yesterday and made like six different variations depending on like five and seven, nine and stuff. And I was like, all right, forget this.

I'm just gonna wake up tomorrow and, you know, sleep on it a little bit and then make some hard stances. Cause I was like, this is, it's too much uncertainty I think in the top 10. I don't know if you guys want, if we want to keep answering questions, did you want to go through any like scenarios real quick on the top like 10 or like a mock or are we way past that? Cause I feel like we,

we kind of talked about doing that, but decided not to. I think we're way past it. I think we kind of worked its way out. I didn't realize that I thought we're going to have to work some scenarios out around five. And then I come on the show and realize I'm the only guy that still has questions at five. So I don't feel like we need to really, you know, to work anything out. So we have questions I think we can knock through and then see if there's anything else. I have a question I want to ask you guys to wrap.

Monotone again, thoughts on Dart, to go to the Giants of Rounds at plus 140, hearing a lot of Giants talk. Schrager, super connected to the Rams historically, I think good relationships with Lesn need. Sean McVeigh mocked Jackson Dart 26 to the Rams, but I heard him talking today and his thought process seems to be almost like he mocked it because the Giants are very interested in maybe trading back in and they think that that's a spot to do it. So it almost sounded like a Giants play where he's kind of playing the mock game

more so than a for the Rams pick if that makes sense. If he really loved that though he would just mock the trade. I'm actually kind of wondering now as you put it that way with all of his ends with the Rams I'm kind of wondering if he's kind of hedging a little bit and maybe Jackson Dart is a potential pick for the Rams. I think it makes a lot of sense. Actually, I don't think I'm in the opposite direction of that. Um, I know Frager has been tuned in with McVeigh and those guys out there with the Rams, but I have listened to Jordan Rogre multiple times this year and in multiple different spots that she's had the opportunity to to target a

person or player that she thinks is going to be there or go to the Rams. She has been all over Josh Simmons, Simon, however hell you want to say his last name. I just don't think with them signing and I think they want to try to make a playoff push for as much as they have. It's a really good team. It's a really good roster. Like I think it's going to be, I think they're going to try to secure something on the offensive side of the ball in the first round. I think Simmons makes a lot of sense. A lot of people think he's the top tackle in the draft if he wasn't injured.

Havenstein has got some off season stuff that he kind of had tended to. He can kind of hold that right side until Simmons is ready to play. And they talked about receivers as well. I tend to think that quarterback's not on the board within the first two rounds for the Rams. I think you could see some of these other players like a Will Howard or some of those other guys later on in the draft. It is a dark horse play for sure.

I have, I agree with that. I agree with your stance that like first and second options are probably going to be offense. I think Simmons and he's, he's who I've second on kind of my Ram shortlist right now. I have Loveland first. I think if Loveland falls there that they would prioritize him over simmons But the logic's kind of the same they would they want to help the offense

Uh heaven sign and uh tyler higbee Are entering contract years So those are kind of my top two players for the rams there right now um, but yeah top two players for the Rams there right now. But yeah. I still see corner as an option for them. If Baron falls, I could see that in play as well. Yeah. Yeah. So, well, yeah, I mean, Connor, we did a show with D bro the other day at fantasy pros and betting pros. And I think he made a good case for offensive line for the Rams. I think it, you know, was about 250 or something at the time, still probably close in that range. So I'm with the guys there. Just found it interesting, you know, when you think about historic, you know, national

beats in team connections, there's been some change, you know, in in front offices over the last few years, but that's one that's still there. I feel pretty good about Schroeger and the Rams connections, right? I don't feel like he's shooting in the dark with that. So that's, you know, probably a little bit of a last year though. Well, he kind of, he projected the Rams to trade out of the draft last year. And, and, but prior to that, he made a lot of news saying, Oh, I think the Rams are going to go offense. And they just actually, I think he guaranteed it.

Do I remember that? Yeah, he guaranteed it. It was very firm. It was very strong. Yeah. But we had reports later though, that they wanted, they were desperately trying to move up for Brock Bowers, right? So he's trying to shoot from his toes and hit a home run, thinking that the Rams are going to land the plane. They didn't. Right. And that's part of my Loveland argument, if he's there. I think that the fact that they

tried to move up for Bowers is evidence to suggest that they might be in on Loveland as a move title. I don't expect we're going to get a tweet from Schrager telling us that he intentionally mocked it wrong just to keep us all on our toes. I don't think that that's coming for us. Connor, anything else to add to that or you can go to the next one here, which is QB is taking around one over two and a half minus 140 under plus 110. Yeah, I don't think much has changed. I've gotten two messages in the last couple of like day basically around surrounding Pittsburgh at 21. One was, you know, from Chiddur's camp saying

that for sure he think they think he's going 21. Like without a doubt in their mind, they think that he's like the starting quarterback, etc. I mean, they said he's also not in play three anymore, which is kind of nice because, you know, I think when, you know, teams camp or players camps are always just like way too, you know, extra and like confident in going anywhere. So I put a little grain of salt in that. But, you know, I also got another text from someone connected in Pittsburgh that was like, no shot. They're taking shirt area 21. Like, I don't think they're doing that. A lot other text from someone connected in Pittsburgh that was like no shot. They're taking shirt area 21.

Like I don't think like they're doing that. A lot of the old Pittsburgh beats who have been like super accurate and directionally correct have been like blatantly saying it is ridiculous that they to think that they would take a quarterback. Like that's like they've been going as far as to be like you just like poo pooing anyone who says that they're taking quarterback at this point. So I don't really know what to do with that, but my point is about the two and a half office of our, uh, quarterbacks. Like you, I lean over, but I'm not,

don't want to be sweating that because you have to be at two teams, probably trading in or Pittsburgh to take one. Um, or you need like a team to take the quarterback in the future. I don't believe in Jackson Dard, I don't believe in Schroeder Sanders all that much. Like there's, there's no reason in my opinion to bet that. I think it's just like, I'm also basically retired from quarterback betting after the last couple of years. Like it's anything else. I'm up a million quarterback betting.

I'm like just down so bad. So I just like, I've stayed away from that, not bet it at all. And I think I'm in a much better spot this year because of it. Yeah. I think there are some significantly better plus money bets on the board. I understand the appeal of the quarterback bets. And it's for a mocking situation. Like we have to kind of parse through what we're going to do there. So I guess I'll turn it to you guys. Nick, what are you doing with Shadower Sanders? Probably not including him. Yeah. It's not about whether, I think it's less about whether It's not about whether, I think it's less about whether teams think he's a first round pick.

I know that sounds kind of counterintuitive. It's to me from a mocking perspective, it's more about, I can't find a slot for him. If it's not Pittsburgh, then I mean, where is he going? None of these teams need quarterbacks in the back half of the draft. They're all good teams. So it's just tough to slot him in the mock if of the draft. They're all good teams. So it's just tough to slot him in the mock if you're not doing it to Pittsburgh. And I'm in a camp that doesn't really believe that he's going to Pittsburgh. I would say that. I don't know

if Pittsburgh is saying a quarterback, but I think they would more likely have Dart higher on their board than Sanders. Uh, Scott, where you putting a sure. Um, as of right now, I have him slotted in at 21 to Pittsburgh. The other player who's also a little bit of a struggle because of the injury concerns that I've kind of been targeting there at Pittsburgh is Derek Harman. Um, it's just look, just point blank. I'm waiting as the day goes on to try to get some more information to feel good about Chador I would tend to feel better

About the Giants trading into the first round for Jackson dart then I do solidly about putting Chador anywhere I Tend to lean away from the Giants being interested in Chador Sanders because as much work as they've done on them, if they like them enough to trade up into the first round, I think they'd draft them at three. So I'm kind of out on the Giants to Shador. It's just where I sit right now and it's a 50-50 shot whether for me at Pittsburgh, it's going to be Derek Harmon or Shadoor Sandwich. I like the Harmon thought. I get, I get the thought on, if you like him, take him at three. I also think in this class kind of all agree and have from the jump that there's basically two blue chippers, right? It is, it is Travis Hunter and Abdul Carter.

And if you can land one of them bypassing them for a position of need, even though it is quarterback, right? If you don't have one, it's hard to get off, you know, out of the starting blocks. There's a, there's a lot. Let me just say there's a lot which should do or to the giants. That doesn't make sense to me. I don't think stylistically he's a player for Brian day ball. I think that entire staff is on the hot seat. So the second that you start having one of these older veteran quarterbacks,

they're going to be calling for should door when she door comes in. If shit doesn't go right, they're going to be calling for Shador when Shador comes in. If shit doesn't go right, they're going to be calling for Dion. That's a whole host of headaches for a whole front in New York that is on the hot seat. That does not make a lot of sense to me. No, I don't disagree. Um, Connor should or will he be in your final mock? No, probably not. I don't think I'm gonna have any other quarterbacks in there. I think I'm just going to leave itbacks in there. I think I'm just gonna leave it at Ken Ward. There's so many good players on the fringe that I just have. I'm

already having trouble and putting both of those bums in there is just not something I want to do. I don't disagree. I'm torn because I feel like there's a really nice... One probably goes. At least one probably goes. I don't know which one and to where, and I feel like we have a lot, we've done a lot of research on other connections in other places. So it feels like, I mean, 24, I think is the only place that I would consider sacrificing like Minnesota trading down for one of someone else saints or Browns or giants. I said earlier in the show, Washington at 29, moving back three to four spots, whether

it be with Cleveland or the Giants is a spot that I would look because the team that's moving coming up isn't going to have to give up a whole hell of a lot and the team that's moving down is still going to have the same group of players that they're drafting from. Yeah, my Galaxy brain thought for a few reasons, right? Early in the process, we were on Chidor to the Browns at two, thought again, reading some tea leaves with obviously the moves that the Giants made, the connections with Dion and the Sanders clan with some of the people involved in the Browns orbit made a lot of sense. And now my Galaxy Brain takes me to the Vikings have four picks and Andrew Barry and You know Quessie in Minnesota

They have a nice solid previous relationship there that makes a lot of sense in terms of a spot to trade back And look and you want to give your fan base some excitement. It's not a fan base It's had a lot of excitement for years and if you might not think that Sanders is a guy, but your parents, you know, Chador at 24 with Hunter that you took it to, to sell to your fan base, to move on from what's happened to quarterback the last few years. Could be pretty interesting. You definitely win the, the buzz of the end of the first night. You know, it's the, the story that everyone's talking about heading into,

you know, Friday morning and Thursday night is the Browns, you know, pairing back, should or in Travis and what could come of that. So I just think the Vikings are a team that you are a great trade down spot if you're considering that. So hard to pinpoint, though. Totally. All right, we'll run through a few more here. Pizza Man. Sorry, just tuned in Saints O line plus 200. Yes, agreed that we have room there and that is a bet that we advise making. Amiko, Beren steamed a ton under. Not sure I get it, but what do you

guys think? I mean, the outs are tricky. Miami's a really good fit. Miami needs a lot of things. So but I don't know where the outs are necessarily Connor and he leans on Baron under or what your thoughts are to this one. Yeah, it's tough. It's a guy that I know Daniel Jeremiah mentioned a couple weeks ago saying that teams were telling him he's gonna be there and available in the 20s even though he's like one of Daniel Jeremiah's favorite players. Now we're seeing him, you know, being mocked a little bit higher. Uh, to Miko's point, like the fits are really narrow. We're talking about Miami at 13.

I mean, we have some Arizona 16 Arizona at 16 from my understanding, 19. Yeah. I don't think 16 is happening from my understanding. So 16 doesn't make sense just in terms of the roster. So 17 and a half is what the number is right now. Yeah, right. So I mean, would he go in the bang? I think I'm currently mocking him to Miami at 13.

Just yes, but there's not a lot of really narrow out. But that's very live, right? Like it's 1000%. Yeah, I would go with the over. Yeah, I mean, because it's come down a lot. Like I think you have to think money on 18 and a half. And like, I think it's even at 17 and a half. You had a lot of a lot of information. I don't want to call it even information, but the rumors of him to the jet, I think is what steam the line three points. And I just don't buy that rumor. So like you're paying, I mean, that's three spots is a lot for, for Baron. Yeah. Um, yeah. Also, I think, uh, you know, worth noting there, you know, for all the live listeners, you're getting a nice little bump here. Fandle dropped exact does on position. So top four quarterbacks,

top four running backs, and top four wide receivers taken in this year, specifically, there's a lot of uncertainty and volatility with some of those. So take some long shots. I mean, I don't have time to look through 70 of them right now we're on air. But, you know, if any good ones stand out, definitely, you know, pop them in the chat or feel free to hit us up in the discourse. I think that there's, there's some massive opportunities there. I went and looked for Baron. I promise I was, you know, sticking with the show script here and I stumbled into a draft exact as when I see that button, it's like, you can't not click it, right?

Like, yes, he was in there. Yeah. Yeah. For sure. They put the little parlay builder up the other day. I'm like, what do we got in here? Yeah. Yeah.

Um, there's another one that's really hard. Uh, Schmier Stuart over 15 and a half Jacob. I don't know what the juice is on the other side of the bar. I don't know what the juice is on the other side of the bar. I don't know what the juice is on the other side of the bar. I don't know what the juice is on the other side of the bar. I don't know what the juice is on the other side of the bar. I don't know what the juice is on the other side of the bar. I don't know what the juice is on the other side of the bar. I don't know what the juice is on the other side of the bar. Yep. Yeah. There's another one that's really hard. Shemir Stewart, over 15 and a half. Jacob, I don't know what the juice is on that.

I'm guessing it's not. Nothing in the old runner market at this point is flat. Tricky, right? Shorts and t-shirt all-star. Not a lot of production, but won the combine. Basically you're're talking about is he the go-to for the Falcons, the outs ahead of him? Again, I don't think he's on the Falcons short list. Notable again, he was on the Lobs list for, okay, minus 122. He was on the apparently in consideration for the Niners.

We'll see what happens there. Scott, you're shaking your head. No, I think you're like the over. Yeah. At that number, I don't mind it. Um, I don't have a strong position on Shamar Stewart. He's one of the players when I'm trying to do my final Mac mock draft, I have trouble slotting him to a specific team.

I don't like the fit with Atlanta. I think they're looking for, I think Pearson green and McHale Williams are all over him. Really, the two teams that I think you would kind of consider and I wouldn't put him as the leader in the clubhouse for any of these teams would be Miami and San Francisco. So for me, I tend to think Shamar starts to have more outset Arizona, Cincinnati, you know, some of these other teams that are on the over. You're not getting plus money for playing over. I tend to want to

try to find as many plus money plays in the first round as possible for drafts. I don't necessarily like playing the juice, but it's probably accurately priced is what I'm trying to say. I was running through a mock this morning just trying to get a sense of where I'm going to be locked in on the final spots. You know, when I get into like the 27, 28, 29 range, I still have them on the board. I don't feel great about it.

But like the range is one of those players where to Scott's point, he could go 11 and like he could barely sneak in the first round. I've seen him at nine and I've seen him at 32 and I've seen him completely out of, out of her first round altogether. So that's the player that he is. And look, a lot of these guys that they do the analysts and breaking these players down, I'm talking about the Todd McShays and those guys, they've started to make a good point.

You've seen multiple players get drafted over the last five to six years. And from what I understand, these front offices, some of them still on traits. But if you haven't done it at the college level, that production doesn't get easier to just go ahead and say this guy's gonna do it at the NFL level. So I think that's where a lot of teams and specifically for me when I'm ranking him against some of these other prospects that I have to slot ahead of him, that's kind of where I fall.

I agree with that take. All right, we went over our hour. I don't want to be disrespectful of everyone else's time. It'll come in here. Josh Norris says the 49ers, a coach like Stewart, that checks out. Again, shout-out to Leo Lobbs, getting lots of love today. That's why he probably had Stewart on that list there, out. Again, shout out, you know, Lobbs getting lots of love today. That's why he probably had Stuart on that list there too. But Nick, in just closing here, there, let you go one of two ways, and I'll do this for each of you. Is there a team fits, team player fits, I guess later that we didn't get through that you either feel really good about or a team in particular that you're really struggling with? I think that if Tyler Booker is on the board for the Houston Texans, I think that he'll be the pick. Now I'm struggling with whether he's going to be on the board essentially here. I think the easy answer is probably Janty if he's on the board going to the Bears. I'm kind of just looking at my spreadsheet right now.

Gray's able to Seattle is one that seems pretty confident. It sounds like Denver's going Hampton or Henderson. I think we should have a lot of confidence in that even though there's some receiver smoke there. Looking at the in the teams I would have a teams I'm struggling with. Man, I'm having a harder time with Pittsburgh than Scott is. I know I do have Derek Harmon high on my short list for Pittsburgh, but I'm kind of unsure whether Sanders is going to be that guy or whether they really go quarterback at all. Kenneth Grant to the Chargers is one that I feel really strongly about in favor of happening as well. The other player I'm struggling to slot is Nick Imanwari, the safety there. Probably going to have Starks higher than Imanwari is, but I'm struggling to kind of find a team match with Imanwari, even considered not mocking him in round one at all. What about you guys? He's tough. He's a tough one. Connor, same question. You can take it anywhere you want.

right now for me, Ted McMillan, the Packers at 23, I think would be great. I think he'd be in such a good spot to succeed. It'd be perfect. So I like that one a lot. Struggling with, I mean, you point to a lot of the teams in the back half of the first round that I think are, you know, basically just depending on depending on who drops the Eagle or the Chiefs that uh, they had a phone call or a zoom call or something with Travion Henderson yet last night, something like that. That could mean absolutely nothing. That could be like,

are they really going to take another running back at the end of the first round? Um, I don't know. It's, it's a, it's a real tough situation. And then the Viking same thing, like if they stick and pick, I'd like they're probably gonna take a safety. They don't then, you know, again, they don't. So then you're just like kind of playing with that whole day. So, yeah, Ted McMillan of the Packers, which is not a, you know, normal opinion at this point, he's like over under like 11 and a half, but I'm still of the opinion that, you know, he goes a little bit over that. Firmly in your first round now. So that's, I want to acknowledge the growth. Yep. Yeah. I'm not,

I'm not dying on that Hill. Uh, you know, I quickly, quickly walked back down and uh, you know, putting him right there at 23. God, how are you buddy? So I have two players that I've been struggling with the most. Um, and they're both the cornerbacks, Will Johnson and Jaday Baron. You have wildly different analysis on these two guys. Will Johnson, you heard struggles with the knee. That might be a concern, not running the 40 time.

So a lot of that is pushing it down, but more so, you really have to find a fit schematically for both of these guys and which teams are gonna overlook the slow 40 time and whatnot for Johnson and possibly the injury. Jaday Baron, he's either a top 10 on some people's list or further down and it's just, I don't necessarily think he goes to Miami and so it's finding a slot for him. Those are the two guys that I'm really struggling with because they're interchangeable and just finding where they fit the best within the first round. Those are the two guys that I'm really struggling with because they're interchangeable and just finding

where they fit the best within the first round. I've been on Amara and Hampton since the beginning to Denver. I've had two random people hit me up in the DMs and say it's Trevion Henderson to Denver and that's what Albright had. So that's a spot that I'm kind of second guessing. I have to circle back to some people,

but the one player that I think that I'm probably very comfortable with in the back part of the draft, I like Nick Scorton. I like what he brings to the table as a prospect. I think schematically he fits multiple teams. There's been some rumors that he's got a guarantee to be a first round pick. I like him and Ben Standig seems to think that he's a good fit there for Washington.

Washington may trade back as I said, but I think he could be a secondary type of player on Kansas City's board and Philadelphia's board. I think he would fit very well with Philadelphia and all that they've lost, um, as far as like edge rushers and whatnot. So I haven't kind of slotted him, whether it's going to be to Washington or Philadelphia, but I like him as a fit to both of those two teams and I expect him to be in my final, my draft.

Yeah. He's one that's, you know, I don't have a home for me yet, but I kind of agree with you with some of those, those back half teams that definitely could use an edge rusher. So it's tricky. It's tough sliding out here. I mean, the Steelers, if they don't go Harmon, or if you saw, I think to your point, the Henderson spot to Denver, Hampton to Pittsburgh gets real interesting as well. Again, then all of a sudden, you know, interior defensive line,

which made a lot of sense, gets a little bit trickier because I feel like they would maybe be more Hampton than they would be for Henderson. So, you know, it's going to be a really interesting one. So again, like. If you're looking to kind of dabble and get into some bets that you haven't made yet, like you think there are wise plus money opportunities to lean into the variance still in terms of going against what seems to be perception or locked in, especially

when you get towards the back half of the draft where it's really hard for these teams to get an understanding of actually what's going to be there. I think I've mocked the entire time and I know I think the Ravens would trip over themselves if Malachi Starks is there for them. I'm worried that he won't be, but I feel really good that that's the pick. They're not an M&Ori team. We've talked about you could get Ravens to take a safety of like six to one, but it's literally a single out and you got to wait 26 picks to get there. So it's really a tough sweat, but from a mocking standpoint, Starks there makes a ton of sense. Um, and I think that we've heard some stuff from, uh, from them that they would absolutely love that pick.

So there's gonna be some good players left out of the first round mocking wise, because we said at the top, we've seen, you know, 45 plus guys. Landing in the first round here in the last week and a half or two. So, you know, these, these back half guys, you thought were first round picks for sure. It'd be available, you know, pick 41, pick 42. It's kind of an interesting spot. So, all right. Anything else with the people before we wrap coming back tomorrow? So we can have some more time to talk, but mock draft homework pencils down tonight.

So it's an important one. All right. Yeah, they'll be in and look, there's, there's still going to be information to come. So look, we have all going to be information to come. So look, we have all our Twitter handles on here. So look for tweets and stuff coming out and and it's going to be a fun one. Mox will be done, but bets can continue. So Nick, appreciate your time. Again, at fantasy log guy on Twitter, tell people where they can otherwise, where else they can find you and all your stuff. That's it at fantasy log on Twitter and fantasy law guy.com.

Yeah, Nick's got great content up there. People should be. I'll say this. He's got all of his law degrees hanging up in the back. I want to see that draft grinder degree hanging up next time we hook. Yeah. Much deserved. Uh, been enjoying your stuff. Um, you know, the, uh, the live streams, the, uh, threads again, like, you know, aggregating contents that we can all parse through quickly. Um, people definitely, again, if you've made it through an hour and 20 minutes of this, this is content that you like. Nick deserves your follow, um, on Twitter. So check them out at fantasy law guy. We'll be back again tomorrow.

I'm not sure what time yet, but again, move the line. I'll be listening to the podcast for four bets on the YouTube channel. Subscribe to show after the draft ends, we're going to get right into actual football talks. So, you know, win totals, divisional stuff, all that different stuff to Scott. Did you have something else? Matt Miller just released his mock draft Walter Nolan at eight to Carolina. Matt Miller's not my favorite guy. So yeah, whatever. Yeah. And that was kind to be honest. That was kind. But on that note, see you guys later.

On that note for Nick, Scott, Connor, I'm Ryan. We'll see you all next time. Thanks everybody.