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Episode Date: March 20, 2024

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Hello and welcome to Move the Line presented by 444Bets. I'm Ryan Noonan, excited to be back in this chair to discuss all of the recent nfl news first wave of free agency and all the rumors that are impacting the nfl draft betting markets i'm excited to pack unpack it all with uh my really smart friends uh we're missing one he'll be here soon uh joining me here as always connor allen what's going on buddy not a lot it's great to be out of the hosting chair. It was fun for one episode, but I'm not sure that I would want to take on the reins there full time.

At the same time, March Madness is in full swing, so we move the show up to today instead. I think it's probably a smart move here because I'm going to be fully deep in the engagement farming of March Madness and already have been, so not much more I want to do with that after today. Kedges Dre is in the chat from Himathy. It wasn't me, man. I was ready to go.

I was here early. We're waiting on Scott. Obviously, Scott is on the road. He's an MMA trainer on the side. He's in Vegas. I think he's trying to set up shop in a book right now. So Scott will hop in. But I wasn't here last week for the debut of our guy i mean there

is no one better in the space to talk about draft betting uh regardless of whatever the sport is i don't know anyone that spends more time grinding the stuff than the man himself vegas refund vr what's going on my brother thanks for having me i mean we've definitely had some uh news the last couple days and what connor's fully indulged in march madness i hope they post some new draft props so we can scoop those up while everyone else is distracted connor's not even like engaged in march madness connor's engaged in engagement farming right so like this is a like it feeds the beast you know pops out the threads the thread starts to do fire all of a sudden connor's like well i gotta put on another thread and i look dude no one does it better than

connor i'm not hating it's just he's not plugged into march madness let's call it what it is he's plugged into the nfl draft he's trying to get those you know those likes and uh and it's working for him man he's good at it you know how sad it is that my most popular tweet ever is a march madness thread i mean that's just kind of it's honestly kind of embarrassing but whatever is what it is i guess yeah whatever it does it pays the bills uh so yeah scott will join us i'm sure at some point here with uh some other insight like you said lots of stuff has shifted we've had a couple of i think impactful mock drafts come out with mel kuyper jr with daniel jeremiah with new drafts yesterday. I think those are interesting inflection points, especially after the first wave.

We're obviously still in free agency's first wave-ish, but I think the most stuff is settled, some of the big stuff, to maybe shape some positional needs and things like that. So we're going to continue to be here at least once per week on the 444Bets YouTube channel. Subscribe, likes, rate and reviews, podcasts as well, wherever you list the podcast uh subscribe as well we appreciate all those things scoop up the betting subscription if you want to get access to all that we're doing at 444 uh including all of the bets you want to get into discord get all the plays we start to push

those plays out take advantage of that as well 444.com slash plants um we also have some pro days today we have oh Ohio state pro day. We have a USC pro day. So it looks like we're not going to get anything from Marvin Harrison Jr. Which again, alpha move. Like,

I don't think he's doing anything. Like we have to talk. It's very interesting. Yeah. I mean, let's talk about it. I mean, kind of free flowing at this point.

Like he kind of said that that was what he was going to do at the combine. Like I put up tape. I put a baller tape for years you know my daddy uh you know what i could do like should i be doing anything does he really give a rip that everyone thinks hey maybe this is closer between malik neighbors roma dunze and marvin harrison jr he's like look someone's gonna pick me someone's gonna get a winner. What do you make of that, VR? Do you think that impacts anything with where he's at? I guess I'll reframe it as,

do you believe any of the smoke around him not being wide receiver one? No. I mean, people were kind of hating on him not interviewing because he just basically didn't show up, which it's fine. Probably could have let them know he wasn't going to come. But, I mean, he has really nothing to gain and everything to lose by going to a pro diet, I suppose, which, like, even if he ran, like, the four or fives, he'd still be fine.

And there's just nothing to gain, really. And if there is anything to lose, it would be that or risking an injury. I mean, he has nothing to prove at this point. So why even do anything? Like, I totally get it. And if it was anyone else, I would totally understand the criticism. I mean, Caleb was getting criticism for not doing anything. And he's locked in number

one um marvin harrison is locked into being the first wide receiver i mean i think it's just they have nothing better to talk about other than neighbors i guess being a potentially wide receiver one and i forget who i saw it was either a tweet or someone brought it up it was like a coordinated effort between a lot of the main guys in the media hyping neighbors yesterday. And then you see Jeremiah didn't even have neighbors ahead of Marvin in his mock yesterday. So I'm not reading into it. I mean, even if there was anything to read into,

he's still going to go where he's going. So nothing to bet off of it whatsoever. Connor, to me, this more so than anything we've touched on, and it's a term used this to me like first wave post free agency pro day stuff this is silly season to me this is agents this is like when we start to get things fed a little bit where it's you know you have to be real careful in deciphering what is coming out so you're currently out in the betting markets right now you know marvin harrison jr minus 750 on fanduel to be

the first receiver if you happen to have an appetite for malik neighbors or roma dunze neighbors plus 550 22 to 1 on a dunze there any thoughts there to expand on uh on vr's point i was trying to figure out ways in which neighbors would go ahead of Marvin Anderson Jr. Right. Like in what scenario would that happen? And I think the very unique scenario in which case it would happen would be the Cardinals trade out of four and they go back and you know,

JJ McCarthy goes for basically. So then you're sitting at five of the chargers. I still think that the chargers would probably pick Marvin Harrison Jr. Or trade the pick to someone who picks Marvin Harrison Jr. Because no one's going to trade up to five. I mean, to pick Malik neighbors, I still think that the Chargers would probably pick Marvin Harrison Jr. or trade the pick to someone who picks Marvin Harrison Jr. because no one's going to trade up to five, I mean, to pick Malik Naber. It would require the Chargers standing pat and picking Malik Naber over Marvin Harrison Jr. Like, I don't know.

To me, it seems like the current price of five to one seems way too short for the likelihood of all that happening because all we've heard from Cardinals camp is like they absolutely love Marvin Anderson Jr. So it's been like nonstop before the draft, before the combine, like from day one. So I'm going to kind of stick with that. I don't, I would love for the price of Marvin Anderson Jr.

to be the non-first-time quarterback to be drafted, to get shorter and shorter, because I would definitely lay some juice on that, to be honest, but not at minus 650, which is what we're looking at right now. Yeah, I agree. I mean, we also have to remember like these front offices like they're trying to keep their job and that there is really no risk if you've identified that receiver is in need there is no risk in going with marvin harrison jr like he's going to pan out regardless unless he has some sort of injury.

You need to not get too cute as well, and it feels like that would be a little too cute at this point. Some of the other news that we've had in the last couple of days, I'd love to get your thoughts, and we can kind of go back to running through the top 10. I think there's a trade with the Vikings and the Texans. I believe that happened right after you guys recorded last week where the Texans traded out of their first round pick. The Vikings now have ammo at 11 and 23 to possibly make a trade up into the top five. Maybe getting into the top three is a little bit

difficult. VR, I'd love to get your thoughts there. I don't know that New England's super excited about trading down. We could touch on that too, but I think we don't always love trades in mock drafts, but it becomes really hard to not kind of find a way to have Minnesota moving up to address the quarterback position. What are your thoughts on the trade, or how do you kind of see Minnesota approaching this move into the top five? Yeah, I would say this was one of a couple things that happened since the last time we were on.

But I can't remember a time that there was like basically a certainty on the vikings trading up i mean if you follow that guy crack rock which love crack rock he is pumping jj to the vikings and he's really he panned out a lot last year and i mean honestly if you read his context like you can't make paragraphs worth of things up like he is but figuring out where the trade is and i think it really comes down to like the closer we get to the draft the more likely it is to be like the cardinals or the chargers because you're not going to trade to four or five right now and leave yourself exposed for someone trading ahead of you, where that's something you could do draft day with less of a risk for someone to jump up ahead of you.

And then if it is like, let's say the Patriots, like that could be a move that would happen sooner rather than later. But I think the closer we get to the draft a week out, day of, then we're looking at the cardinals or chargers being the trade candidate for the vikings and at this point it feels like it's going to happen it's just when will it happen um and if it happens i would love for it to happen now so that we can stop just debating and get on to other things it would be um probably Cardinals. Actually, excuse me. The closer we get, it would be probably the Chargers.

And if it goes now, it would probably be the Cardinals because you're guaranteed in one of the top four. Yeah. I think you summed it up perfectly, Connor. I mean, you can't make that move right now to the Chargers because then you just risk someone jumping you with the Cardinals. So it has to wait today's show is sponsored by drafting's newest product pick six it's a pick'em style platform where you choose players that more or less of a certain statistical category like passing yards rushing yards points rebounds assists you name it the twist is that

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Very interesting to see. I guess we can kind of go back to the top five as well. Both the Kuiper and Jeremiah Mox yesterday had Drake May at two. New England seems to not be super interested in moving off of there. So talk to me however you want about the top five. Well, if we want to go back to our guy, Crack Rock, he basically said, you know, per Robert Kraft, you know, which is hilarious i love it

view was he at mar-a-lago because a lot of the crack rock stuff is coming from just you know dining in mar-a-lago it sounds like which is also apparently i love that layer to this whole thing is that some of this is just hearsay for mar-a-lago 20 2024 is the year of pretty ricky and crack rock that's all i gotta say uh pretty ricky got shut down, didn't he? I know. Rest in peace, rest in peace. He was, it was a glorious free agency for a week. Uh,

Nuna didn't even know he was VR. I literally told him, I was like, you know, no, cause Nuna was on vacation for like four days. And that was the whole span lifespan of pretty Ricky. I was like,

dude, this guy was a legend for like three days, zero to 25,000 followers in like a week. Um, but yeah. Okay. Yeah. Back to the top five so per crack rock per robert craft the patriots are going to pick one of the two quarterbacks i've heard some that as well from you know other places as well that they're just gonna they have similar grades they're gonna pick whichever one's left i personally still think i have no idea who's gonna be a two i think there was some signaling that it could be jayden with the sign of marota. There's also some signaling that they were trying to sign Sam Darnold.

It's like, I don't know whether that, you know, makes sense there as well. Specifically. I'm kind of just keeping an open mind to that, but I am pretty confident that Patriots will not trade down and pick a quarterback at three.

So in this point, like the closer and closer we get, like VR said, like I think JJ McCarthy to five makes a lot of sense. I'm wondering like at what point it's worth just like playing it for, I mean, a reasonable amount anyways. We'll get plus 450 at Caesars and FanDuel right now for JJ McCarthy to five. I think it's almost like a certainty that he's going four or five.

But I guess the only way that you get screwed is like if the Patriots do somehow trade down and then if the Patriots do somehow trade down and then if the Giants don't trade up uh and because they wouldn't have a reason to probably at that point they would just sit there and probably take McCarthy but maybe not I don't you know we don't even know that for sure so that's I think the downside there at first it kind of felt like the Pats were going to be the trade partner when that Vikings trade happened at first. And it just made more sense for them to be. But then you listen to Jeremiah on a couple of the podcasts he was on, and he was harping that the Patriots are the least likely,

the least willing team to trade out. And if anything, it would be more the commanders to trade out, which would just cost probably too much. So I think it remains probably that the cardinals are the chargers and i was pretty confident that it was going to be jayden and if you listen to costos nick costos podcast daily you better you bet he had ron rivera on i want to say last week and ron rivera was kind of going into how it's going to be Jane Daniels at two. And it really wasn't about what he was saying,

which was of course interesting. It was like how he was saying it. It was like, there was so much conviction, but you don't hear conviction out of, I guess someone in the media, like he had that he knew the answer, like he knew it was going to be Jaden.

And I thought that was definitely worth something. And Jane's odds are, I think all the way up to minus 180 right now. But then you had Jeremiah and Kuyper, which how much we're valuing Kuyper, I think is worth something, but not nearly as much as Jeremiah still having Drake. And I don't know if they just haven't,

they've had Drake since the start and they really haven't had anything worth swaying them and they're just going to stick to the guns until they have some sort of intel or what but them still having drake it too yesterday was pretty interesting yeah it was interesting for sure i mean and that's the silly season part of it too is that these big media mouthpieces can be used by gms to kind of float whatever they want out there too so it is an interesting thing to see uh and as the next couple of weeks kind of shape up but yeah some of the other bigger news that came out i guess your free agency stuff and some stuff that happened yesterday too uh the jets at 10 i think have been really interesting you know we they were

what like minus 300 to take an offensive lineman a couple weeks ago, and now have added three free agent offensive linemen in the last couple days. John Simpson played basically every snap and left guard last year for the Ravens. His teammate Morgan Moses, also a right tackle, kind of fits the need. And then they went out and made a splash with Tyron Smith. Now, these are all like cheapish one-year deals. That's kind of within the window of what they're operating into, right? We are hearing from Aaron Rodgers that he wants to play multiple seasons,

but they kind of are in a win-now mode and mentality. They kind of did the same thing yesterday with Mike Williams. Kind of the other positional need is they need pass catchers because right now you're looking at Alan Lazard as wide receiver too, so they need to make some changes there there as well they add yeah mike will though yeah mike will that's what i say mike williams that they so that but short-term deal right like similar as the offensive lineman what do you what do you go ahead and and and do because now it's like does it shift to brock bowers um what do you think in there, Connor, with what the Jets are doing at 10?

It's obviously offensive lineman, not off the table, but probably less of a win now. They should trade number 10 for like Brandon Ayuk or something like that. I mean, they should just trade it away and get another player. Like I, whoever they draft is not going to be ready enough.

Barring you get like an Adunza neighbors, something like that. Like at 10, I mean, maybe Bowers. I mean, I don't know. I think that it depends on how they view the whole tight end in the first

round situation. I think Laporta helped kind of break that mold last year with what we saw from him. So that would, I mean, could be interesting, but at the end of the day, it's going to come down to what Rogers wants to do. So I don't know. I would not be surprised if they go with like a Bowers here, like if he, if he really likes him or something like that. But again,

it's just like so subjective. I just, I feel like the jets are just going to be able to just do what literally whatever Rogers wants, which is obviously not going to be the time. Yeah. Those odds have shifted a little bit. Draft Kings.

Now it's a first position for the jets tight end plus one 25 offensive lineman plus one 75 wide receiver plus two 75, which is interesting any thoughts there vr yeah i mean 10 10 is kind of like the worst spot in the first round honestly where like after nine is really a drop off if you're including jj mccarthy now where i could get like i think if they stay at 10 it's going to be Bowers. I got a notification when they signed whoever it was, and I hopped on Bowers before they could pull it. It was fantastic because you just see the fake CLV.

But receiver was favored as well with tight end, and you just couldn't figure out who would they draft a wide receiver at 10 because the big three are going to be gone. They're not going to reach. It would be crazy for them to reach for Thomasunus and bowers just made the most sense and like i said i hate talking trades and douglas hasn't really been very aggressive i don't think trading since he's been the gm but if they're at 10 right now with mike will bowers just makes is like kind of the only option that makes sense but they're going to draft a tackle and sit them their first year would be like the most just thing to do i'm gonna have to do that but like they're all in like

everyone is on one to two year deals that they're signing because of the aaron rogers effect and bowers does feel like uh i mean bowers feels more ready than someone like laporta that went last year um and they need help because Mike will is off of an ACL. Like, I don't know if Mike Williams really, like really fills that they're not going to have interest. Cause dude's always hurt. I mean,

it's constantly. Yeah. Anytime he goes down, but 10 is just that awkward spot. Cause like there really is just a drop off in terms of like the bona fide talent with JJ McCarthy in the top 10. Now it really 10 just a drop off in terms of like the bona fide talent with jj mccarthy in the top 10 now it really 10 is that fall off um for me it might be early for brian thomas i don't i wouldn't hate it though necessarily i mean i think he was a lot closer to neighbors and i think

he based off of like production at lsu and he wouldn't show up pretty well the combine like size speed combo for Thomas. I know that hasn't been where he's been mocked early in the process. So from what we're plugged into, it would kind of feel like a stretch, but like maybe from their standpoint, maybe it wouldn't necessarily. Cause again,

like you can't feel super solid about Mike will being ready necessarily for day one or being able to last through the entirety of the season. Cause then all of a sudden you get into a depth issue it becomes really problematic at key positions and it's yeah it's crazy jamar chase one of the top five the year he went and then you had justin jefferson going the 20s which is really like the ranges for neighbors and thomas right now which is wild but yeah it's it's a it's an interesting class and again like how do you approach the depth of both of those positions as well knowing that you can possibly add someone in round two uh you know where's that teardrop on team's boards and such that those things are are pretty

interesting to me some of the other stuff connor and you can jump in and take it anywhere you want but i want to get your guys thoughts this is some of the interesting news that i think has come out of both of the mock drafts is that discussion around qb5 or qb6 because both kuiper and dj had another quarterback in their first round the quarterback is totally different it is not it's a situation where like yeah you could plop a guy at 12 in a mock draft or it's round two it's not like oh he doesn't go at 12 he's going to come somewhere else in the like the 20s quarterback's a unique beast where you have bo nicks bo nicks uh was someone that scott in his first uh mock had bo nicks going to denver we've touched on this in every episode we do not feel like sean payton is going into year two in this rebuild

situation with just jared stinham at quarterback uh or any other like free agents pluck out that they could find that's still kind of hanging around bonix probably fits his system more than a michael pennix jr then you also have michael pennix j. going to 13 in DJ's mock. In front of the show, Nick Costas has had some smoke there too, saying he's heard from his Raiders connections that they really like Michael Penix. He's a little bit older. There's some medical concerns, though the medicals came out pretty good. The combine.

Connor, what are your thoughts on the quarterback situation? Because if you look at the books right now, we can get a pretty good number at five quarterbacks going in the first rounds yeah i'm i guess i'm just kind of worried like i feel like this happens every year with these like these fringe quarterbacks and like i mean nicks and pennix to me are just the like epitome of those fringe guys that don't deserve to be round one quarterbacks but get pushed up because there's like serious need and i think that the Raiders and the Broncos are definitely fit that category. But like, I guess I'm just not ready to believe it until there's more than like, I mean, Jeremiah labeled this as quote chaos mock. So I don't know. I mean, I get it. You know,

I understand it. I think the Broncos definitely do need a quarterback. You know, Ben from cap wise over here suggested the same thing. I don't think they're going to draft a quarterback in the first round. Hope he's wrong. I mean, if they draft, uh, you know, Bo Nix here at their first round pick, that would be something, um, that would be really, really something. So, I mean, I guess it's possible. There's also rumors of like them trading back and that just doesn't really happen. Like trading back to your quarterback, like isn't a thing. I mean, we saw with Daniel Jones where the Giants had six and 17 and everyone mocked him to 17.

And they're like, nope, we're just going to shoot our shot here at six because, I mean, if we miss him, then you're just really, really screwed. So I think that's kind of interesting there specifically with them. But I did want to bring it back. There's a good comment here from Cormac. He said, if the Vikes move to three for Mayor Daniels, do you think that the Broncos slash Raiders potentially move ahead of the Giants would still make JJ a top five option? I actually think that makes sense in some aspects because the Chargers are probably still in a trade down. I do think the Broncos or Raiders would be interested in moving up to five still. I don't

know if they have the capital to do so, but the Broncos are fine punting away for as many first round picks as they have for the future. So would not be surprising to see them do like, I don't know, two firsts and maybe another mid round pick to get up to five to get a quarterback. So that's a good point. I don't, I actually don't hate that look. It makes me a little bit more interested in like JJ top five prices as well down the line there. But yeah, it's a lot of, a lot of Knicks and Pennix chat here in the well as well in the chat.

Do you have any, any, any Knicks or Pennix takes? Cause I'm, I don't know. I'm, I'm a little skeptical. I would say,

I mean, I don't see it with Bo Nixon again. Like this becomes like player takes, which is really dangerous. Like it is super irrelevant to be honest. Right. I mean, I was impressed with Michael Penn irrelevant to be honest. Right. I mean, I was impressed with Michael Penix a little bit. I,

I know he's a little bit of a long delivery and stuff like that, but like, I think the accuracy is there. I know he doesn't necessarily seem to fit like what we would expect from a Sean Payton offense, but I don't know. I could, I could see that a little bit to the Raiders. Like, yeah, they gave some money to Gardner Minshew. I think they saw enough from Aiden O'Connell last year to be like, yeah, that's probably not the guy and not the answer long term. But, like, are you okay with just kind of Minshew?

Or would you want, like, another developmental prospect to get in there? Again, kind of a new situation situation new decision makers there with you know pierce getting a leash and you know new gms and new stuff like that so like i could see penix that is an easier sell to me i'm surprised he's not getting a little bit more steam to be in the back end of the first round to be honest um but yeah i mean it's at this point more speculation i do believe you know look cost has been plugged into the league in circles for a very long time. So I trust Nick when he has that. And then when it's kind of validated with a prominent mock like DJ,

that definitely perks my interest a little bit. And just interested to see if there's anything that comes of that here over the next couple of weeks. PR, any thoughts on these quarterbacks? Yeah. And I mean, like Connor said, this is just a conversation we have every single year, and it is March.

And with the mocks, you really want to pay attention to if the guys we trust are mocking guys like Nixon, panics to the same teams is definitely worth something. And if it's a different team for each, then it's not going to be worth something as much. And putting either of those guys at like 12 or 13 to me means more than kind of just throwing a late

round quarterback into the 20s but like i don't buy it yet i really don't it feels like these guys never go in the first round and that we're always debating um but with costos then with the jeremiah mock it definitely is i guess worth something but they really just don't have a lot to talk about um right now and if we get closer and they continue to do it sure but if i'm making a mock right now i'm not putting nicks or panics in the first round even though the last couple days i've been seeing more and more of one of those two um in the first round appears to me like i don't think pierce has a very long leash whatsoever like to me i think if they don't do well this year

davis is probably gonna move on from him like i think he's he was kind of like forced to make this move after he screwed up the last one with that guy who's the Packers coach I can't even pronounce his first and last name but if anything like his leash is short and drafting a quarterback might lengthen it a little and I feel like every team Minshew has signed with they've drafted a quarterback the last couple years like the Eagles they drafted Jalen Colts they drafted Richardson. So. Yeah, I'm with you.

I want to see a little bit more. I want to get a little bit more info there too. Connor, Jeff in the chat mentioned too about the Jets losing Bryce Huff. What about reverse or Dallas Turner to replace them? They drafted Will McDonald in the middle of the first round last year and used him like for a quarter of the snaps that increased later in the season i think they're probably okay giving will mcdonald a little bit of a longer leash and i don't think they necessarily feel like huff is a short-term replacement need necessarily and they like to rotate bodies in there as well and you know so maybe but that's probably a day two day

three pick then versus you know what you want want to do with Rodgers in this window. Yeah, I mean, they have like one to two years. I mean, you have to be drafting guys that are like immediate impact players. And the only positions that that's possible at is, I mean, you could make a case for O-line, but they just signed their O-line. You could make a case for wide out. You definitely don't want to draft an O-line when you're sitting. Like that just doesn't even make sense.

Tight end, like maybe, again, it just has to be a special player. And I think Bauer is special enough, so it makes sense. But I guess we'll see. I don't know. I'm interested to, I hope that we get some like rumors out of a New York because I would love some direction here. It felt pretty clear cut heading into free agency again, minus three 50 O line. And then they added so many guys, like, I just don't really know what they're going to do. Yeah. Circling back to some of the other stuff in the top 10 that I think news is relevant. We'd love to get your guys' thoughts. I think now it becomes easier. I thought there was a pretty good debate and a pretty good reason why the Titans maybe

wouldn't go offensive tackle or offensive line with the seventh pick. But giving an absolute massive bag to Calvin Ridley makes it feel like an offensive tackle makes a ton of sense i don't really feel like anyone else is yeah so any value on titans to take an offensive lineman at minus uh 300 here uh yeah all everyone now it's like it's alt my question was that also does anyone think where we feel there's any non-alt first o-line stuff that you think is worth discussing VR? No. I would say no, but like Fandle drafted picks one through eight,

I want to say two nights ago. Immediately I saw seven, and it was like plus 125. I bet that to go number seven right away, and then I also bet Dallas Turner to go number eight, which was plus 300 at the time. Both of them got destroyed. Alt was all the way up to minus 200 at one point but it reset and came back and now i think it's even odds and alt at seven just feels as close to automatic as it can be in march things can change but i mean if that got posted again today at even odds, I would probably bet it again as well.

All that seven is just, unless I guess there's a trade, I don't see any other way. And Conrad's bet was great, and I don't know if we just jinxed it, but we probably did. And it seemed like it was going to work out too, and it took an unexpected turn for sure. But all at seven I think would be a better bet at even odds than playing minus 300 because you would need the Chargers to go O-line

at five for all not to be the first offensive line. I guess the Chargers are just the only offensive line and maybe the Giants. But everything you're hearing is Gi are wide receiver quarterback chargers are either trade out and take an offensive lineman but i don't think they're going to take an offensive lineman at five yeah where you at conrad you had you know tried to make a splash the defensive ends or you know a little bit of off your big number and i thought it was a viable play with the titans that looks a little bit less likely but hey we'll see wait until they go to the podium you never know right it's not over till it's over baby uh no but i mean it's it's pretty much over i mean we're like you know on

the last like we're wobbling a little bit ready to be knocked out by a nice uh joe alt sucker punch there uh you know at the end but yeah i kind of think it's him i've been waiting to hedge maybe i think that alt is probably a good look uh we have ryan terrell chiming in uh jc latham uh pick 722 to one like i guess i would just love more specific joe alt uh titans love like i i mean we all know they're gonna like they need an offensive they need a left tackle uh but like is that specifically alt is that any of the other guys i mean there's like i don't hate that latham latham's definitely a guy you kind of see randomly but like noteworthy pop into the top top 10 specifically at five that i don't know

if it was jeremiah's last mock or what but it was just like i think it was kyber had him had him five a couple months there was some random ass lathams in like the top five that i was like what is like it was just noteworthy um yeah and then fuago was like the one guy to the chargers that i thought was worth like a first offensive lineman taken really based off of like schrager's love for him last week but yeah latham would be the only guy i could see based off in March right now like I don't I wouldn't not betting Latham 22 to 1 in March but if I was that would probably be the one yeah it's it's tough I mean I just don't know if I'm ready to like I don't know I know that there will be a good hedging opportunity for one of these guys or two of these guys based

on what we're at our position with the 11 to one on the D aligner edge. But I'm just not sure if it's right now, you know, maybe I'm losing value. Maybe I'm losing opportunity. So I don't know. Again,

it's like March, like yesterday I was like ready to bet that or two days ago, I was ready to bet bangles online. Like I thought that was like, who was that? Good Barry. He's like bangles drafting drafting O-line in blood. And I was ready.

Thankfully, I didn't because – and I'd like to hear your guys' opinions on it. But then they went and signed – was it Trent Brown or the other massive guy? Yeah, Trent Brown from the Pats. Yeah. Which I don't know if Trent Brown totally takes them out given how many good tackles there are. I would like to see the odds come down and make it more bettable, but figuring out whether Trent Brown changes their plans is one of the more

interesting things that happened over the last week as well for me. Yeah, no, I agree. I mean, they knew that they were losing Jonah Williams. It feels like it, especially knowing that they lost another. Hey, Scott, welcome to the show, man. What's going on, buddy? What's up, fellas? How are you, man?

You set up? Good to go? Scott is live in sports. He's in Vegas. He's doing his thing. You look like a dude ready to talk about sports betting. People put that in the green screen behind him. doing his thing. He's got, uh, you look like a dude ready to talk about sports betting. Like, it's just like the people put that in the green screen behind them,

but like, no, you're, you're, you're ready to rock and roll. Uh, station sports book. Love it.

Uh, I'd love to get your thoughts. We were just touching on, uh, bangles offensive line. Is that a priority now with, after the Trent Brown, uh,

signing, you know, their, you know, VR mentioned, you know, uh, mentioned, you know, Goodberry mentioning that you could put that in blood. Any thoughts on, on Bengals offensive line stuff?

I think it's still an option. You have to look at it and see what they're going to do. But the other kind of pivot I would say for the Bengals seems to be defensive line. I think, you know, Hubbard's been around for a while. I think they're going to be looking to add maybe to the interior is what I like right now. I think a week ago saying offensive line was a lock I think was absolutely correct, but as things change, as signings happen, you have to pivot and start to look at other things. I think Brown is more than capable to go ahead and fill that spot, but I would actually

start to look at pivoting towards defensive line now. We're looking at minus 165 right now for offensive linemen still with the Bengals. Yeah, it's very interesting. I mean, it was minus 200 yesterday on draft games, so I guess it came down a little. Yeah, I think wide receiver 4-1, defensive line slash edge, like that you get both of those at 450, I think is interesting there as well. I mean, they're DJ Reader going to Detroit.

This is very interesting. They need to figure out what they're going to do there internally. There's some other guys that took a handful of snaps last year. BJ Hill, also their other main cog in the middle in the last year of his deal. And we knew what happened last year. I mean, what did we do in props last year? Like the Bengals defense was a disaster, especially like running backs could get whatever they wanted against them.

And so, yeah, it's definitely a need. That's a spot where like you could sell me on like, you know, Byron Murphy still being around as an internal cog. If he's there, that would make a ton of sense. I think that that's both like a value based off of where maybe he should go and if it's a team need. And that's kind of what we're always trying to do, right? It's like, you know, it's not always best player available.

It's kind of a marriage of best player and team need. And I think that that's a really good one too. And we're getting pretty nice odds. So that's definitely something I want to do a little bit more research. I'm surprised that we're still hanging out at minus one 65 there too. Without going too long, Scott, I want to get your thoughts on any of this like news that's happened the last couple of days, let you kind of cherry pick.

We had the, you know, the trade with the Vikings and Texans that you can kick around. If you want to have your thoughts there. Some of the stuff that the Jets have done, whether it's offensive lineman additions, Mike Williams additions. What do you think they do there at the top? What are your thoughts on some of those pieces? I think specifically when we start talking about Minnesota, I think Minnesota has done everything they can to put themselves in position to trade up and get J.J. McCarthy. You've had the rumors out there that they're going to go ahead and make a move.

Drake Mays probably at the top of their list from what I understand. So if they could get one of those first three teams to kind of budge, they might have an outside shot at that. But I tend to think it's going to be J.J. McCarthy here within, you know, whenever they do make the trade, whether that be at four or at five. I tend to lean a little bit more towards it being with the Chargers rather than the Cardinals. But there are rumors out there that the Cardinals are willing to move out. And really, it's just going to be about getting in front of the Giants is what I think.

I don't think that Denver is going to have enough ammo, you're just slotting the player to the team. I think that's what's going to make the most sense based upon the information we have right now. And specifically when it comes to the Jets, you're starting to hear a little bit of rumor about possibly being a quarterback. I just tend to think that they're overall all in on Aaron Rodgers in this one year and possibly maybe they can stretch it into two years. But I think what they've done along the offensive line gives them some flexibility to take the best player available, whether that be a Brock Bowers who slides down, whether a wide receiver drops down, whatever the case may be,

I think they've done a solid job of solidifying themselves. And I think they're in a position where they have to go all in this year. I don't think that coaching staff and that front office is on steady footing based upon the way some things have played out, specifically allowing Aaron Rodgers to dictate a lot of things, bringing in Hackett as the offensive coordinator. Those things just have not panned out. I think they have too much talent on the defensive side of the ball to go ahead and play it safe

and just rely on what they have. So I think the Jets could possibly move up a few spots, but I think they're in a good position just to stay where they're at and take best play. Yeah, that's I agree. I mean, it would be a real interesting flex for them to just go corner at 10 and stay there. And it'd be interesting for the future, but not necessarily a great win now move necessarily.

But yeah, we'll wait and see what happens there. Connor, are there any other like specific betting market type stuff that you want to touch on in terms of like things that have come out in the last couple of days, things you're waiting to see the one I wanted to kind of of get into and i'm trying to look around here around like you know whether it's first defensive player off the board first cornerback off the board

whereas like right now it feels like i'm just trying to look at vr's thing too like everyone is just putting you know eight dallas turner has been like just a rock solid like 90 percent of the last handful of, of, of mocks. Any reason to think that Dallas Turner is not the first defensive player off the board or anything else with the cornerbacks in particular. Ben Solak had a fun mock like late last week where he had Quinnian Mitchell at eight first defensive player off the board,

I believe. Look, they lost the Cuda. Yeah. I don't hate it. I mean, that could be interesting. Yeah. I mean, I think it's, uh first defensive player off the board i believe uh look they look they lost the cuda i yeah i don't hate it i mean that could be interesting yeah i mean i think it's i mean i don't know i mean i think it's dallas turner probably but like should he be minus 225 i don't know i mean i popped a little bit of fanatics when it was like minus 110 for whatever the limit was which was like 100 bucks so it wasn't worth talking about too much um so i don't know i think the queen Queen and Mitchell is interesting there. I can't really see it being a Jared verse or Terry and

Arnold. So I think it's kind of between Mitchell and Turner here in my opinion for kind of the first defensive player specifically also to, I want to add on the bangles hit thing here. Dane, you know, Dane from the chat here asked Joe Goodbury again, like a couple hours ago, if they still go online with their first pick. And he said, he still thinks so. So, I mean,

I don't know if he's ready to, you know, slice his hand open and write in blood anymore, but I guess we should ask him what, what type of ink he's thinking about with, you know, writing no line there for the first round, but noteworthy,

I think probably why it's still minus one 60. I mean, there's still some optimism from one of the best bangles. I don't really know what Joe Gobert is. He's not really a beat reporter. He's like a fan reporter, but I don't know really. What would you call him? I think he was like an SB Nation Bengals.

Was he? We used to call him bloggers. We used to call him bloggers. I don't know if we do that anymore. That's, yeah, I don't know. We don't want to use that word. He's disrespectful. He's the Bengals to go to, though.

Yeah. At least for me. Yeah, 100%. He's good info. I just don't want to use that one. He's the bangle to go to though. Yeah. At least for me. Yeah. A hundred percent. He's good info. I just don't really know. I think he writes a couple articles here and there. I guess blogger is probably the right term.

I don't know. That's disrespectful. He's more accurate than blogger. You know, I don't mean it to be disrespectful. I'm just, you know, trying to summarize it.

Let me be fair. Like Trent Brown wasn't very good last year. I missed a bunch of time. So like, you're not necessarily plugging in a guy that you can expect to play every single snap. So, you know,

it's, it's fair. I understand that that's why the market's price where it is. You know what I do want to talk about? So Scott is at station sports book station sports book has three over unders available right now for players. I'd love to just talk about those. Cause I mean,

I don't know what they're going to be posted out for domestics, but they're kind of fun ones. So we have Dallas Turner, eight and a half. Right now this is over under. The under is minus 158 and a half. Okay. I mean, you're kind of only leaving yourself, in my opinion, one out, which is eight.

So I'm not ready to lay minus 150 on that, in my opinion. I think that that's a little bit tough. I guess we can start there. Scott, any Dallas Turner thoughts on an 8.5 there? I mean, you have an outside shot with Tennessee possibly, but I mean, 8.5, to me, it's accurately lined. I mean, it's what you're going to be looking at where it's very limited out. So I think for that price, it's just not there yet to be, be looking at where it's very limited out. So I think for that price,

it's just not there yet to, to go ahead and play. I would tend to just no bet that and see if that line possibly moves with more information coming out closer to the draft. Yeah, no, for sure. And then this is,

we have another one here that I think VR is maybe talked about here. It's a layout to law to over under 21 and a half over is minus 150 under is minus or plus 120 um vr any thoughts on him because we've gotten pretty mixed reports on on him because he medically retired i think at one point already so yeah i mean for they posted it like 20 and a half at first and now it's 21.5, which everything you're hearing about him medically since the combine has been pretty negative. And Charlie Campbell, I think, even tweeted something out a couple – I think it was last week that a lot of teams have them off their board,

and he might not even go in the first. So right now it would be an over or nothing and let it continue to get bet up. And if we get closer and you don't believe it, then bet the under. Like I wouldn't bet the under now. I don't think there's anything that we can get now that would make me want to bet that under.

And I would rather, like it's not, I just, we don't know enough for me to touch it right now. I would just let it keep getting higher based off these medical reports that keep coming out. And then if anything, bet the under. But it would be an over now or wait and not bet it or bet the under later. But he's definitely trending in the wrong direction off of medical red flags. And are you a lot to God?

Have you watched this kid? Have you watched anything of this kid? He's a beast. Without those medical red flags, you would jam this under if there was not medical red flags. He's awesome. A thousand percent.

He came back pretty clean. The medicals came back clean. It was a neck thing that he retired, and then he transferred to UCLA and then absolutely balled out. Run. The tape's better than Dallas Turner. Turner's a freak athlete though.

I mean, like freakish, freakish athlete. So I get it. He will be off the board for some teams and that's okay. It only takes one. Just takes one, right? So I think VR, the way you summed it up is perfect. There's no need to do anything with that now. Let's see if there's any sort of positive news that would come back in.

If the negative stuff continues, it's probably an over or nothing. I just think there's a really good chance that someone takes a shot and gets rewarded with a really good football player because the team didn't want to take a risk. So again, that's probably more of a football take than a draft betting take. I think VR's draft betting take on that is completely spot on. There's no reason to jump on that now

because we think he's really good at football. It doesn't matter at all. But I think he's awesome. So yeah, I hope he just tumbles down the board. I just hope he doesn't go with the Ravens. I'll be so mad if he goes. The Ravens do it every single year. There's just a dude that falls. And you're like, why is he still available go with the Ravens. Like, I'll be so mad if he goes. The Ravens do it every single year. There's just a dude that falls, and you're like,

why is he still available? And the Ravens take him, and he ends up being the guy that everyone thinks he's going to be. I'm just kind of tired of that. So I hope he doesn't, you know, the Ravens don't take him at 30. They need defensive ends as well, which is another reason that's slightly terrifying to me. But, yeah, he's really good.

Yeah, I think it's worth talking about a quick like caesar's posted conference over-unders and then offense and defense over-unders and then draft kings has offense defense and positional over-unders which most of them feel pretty spot on the ones that i'm like definitely eyeing are offensive line over nine and a half which is insane sec at 10 and a half has me very interested right now um in the under at the current moment like i'm not betting it but it's trending that way and then offensive players at 20 and a half. Right now I have it at 21 with quarterbacks.

Knicks and Panics probably send this over. But I'm not betting the quarterback over, so I guess that eliminates that. But all the conferences are pretty spot on. The biggest difference that I'm seeing on my sheet would be sec then the only over would be potentially the pack 12 over six and a half but they all seem pretty well aligned which i found a draft kings guy buying my sheet last week and i booted him and refunded them that's amazing oh that's so good i had some like random guy with the drafting's email request access and i was like how the hell could you request access like someone

had to have sent you the link yeah i bought it so then i literally went through every single person who bought it and cross referenced them with linkedin and got them oh what a story that's incredible i love the grinds that's got them you have to protect draft betting a thousand percent dude again like doing the absolute lord's work here, VR, making sure that these markets stay up for us. That's great. Connor, I think you said you had three.

That was two of the over-unders that Scott has in his book. Yeah, and then the last one was Joe Alt. Over-under 7.5. Over is plus 140. Under 7.5 is minus 170. I think you're basically looking at the two outs being either five or seven, basically. Personally, it's kind of just a little bit rich because you're better off taking Alt, I think, exact to seven.

Because I mean, the more that we get closer, I think that the Chargers are going to trade out. If they don't trade out, then they'll be left with Marvin Harrison Jr. If they pick Joe Alt over Marvin Harrison Jr., I mean, that seems like war crimes there. But, Scott, any thoughts there on Ault or Latu too? I think you had something there as well.

Yeah, to me, the thought process on Ault there is spot on. I think when you start looking at him being under, I don't see it. So I don't know either of those lines. As far as Lat't, I don't see it. So I don't know that either of those lines, as far as lots of, I tend to think it's going to be over. I think there are some teams out there that have him above Jared verse, as far as like the profile and what he has done on the field. It's all about the medicals. That's things that we don't have access to, but even with the medicals, you're hearing rumors and things leaked out that he has that the medicals that's things that we don't have access to but even with the medicals you're hearing rumors and things leaked out that he has uh that the medicals didn't come back clean um

versus somebody like michael pennix where pennix had some medical issues and you're starting to get reports from from the combine that pennix's medicals came back rather rather clean so with with that i think you could see lots to go down. The one team that I kind of like the fit for Latu is at 19 with the Rams. But if it's not him, if it's not there at 19 with the Rams, I would definitely see him falling below that 21, 21 and a half spot. So as of right now, I like the over, but I don't think it's anything that you have to make a move on at this point in time. I think Jeremiah had him at 19 and someone else did too. Maybe Charlie Campbell, someone like that. It was, uh, there was two, two people that had him at exactly

at 19. So, I mean, that makes sense. And then there's also one more market that I think is interesting. We touched on a little bit, Quinn mitchell versus terry on arnold draft position mitchell right now minus 105 arnold minus 125 i know this opened with arnold's a big much bigger favorite it's kind of gotten bet down a little bit but i don't know it could be still a little bit of value there on the bone i mean any any mitchell takes newton i like it i mean you start to see where he's going in these box um you're seeing a little bit more of that's consistent consistently jeremiah and kuiper uh 15 to the colts i had that as well in my mock uh a couple weeks ago we've talked about how chris ballard in indy is a traits-based drafter especially early uh they want freakish athletes and And like when you Mitchell is that guy, I know that Terry M Arnold is,

is not like a terrible athlete as well, but you know, Mitchell makes a ton of sense. That's why I also think like Brian Thomas could be in play for them as well with the Colts and the culture. Was it pretty interesting? I think the Colts are one 15 plus one 15 on draft Kings to take a corner there. Plus threeings to take a corner.

They're plus 330 to take a wide receiver. I think those are pretty interesting markets to look at. But, yeah, I mean, I would lean Mitchell. I think there's a lot of steam there that I think makes a ton of sense. It's hard to evaluate a guy who plays at Toledo that doesn't play in the SEC like Arnold did. But Mitchell did two years ago play against Marvin Harrison Jr. and showed up pretty well, just balled out man on him. And that was, you know, there's like a clip of Harrison

catching a touchdown pass, which is like an elite Harrison clip because he just like the toe drag in the corner was amazing. But Mitchell was up in his stuff. So I think you're going to continue to see the more teams kind of get him in and his pro day stuff. Maybe he can add to what some of the stuff he did in the combine i don't know just say minus 105 plus 105 i'd probably lean that way not necessarily bettable now but i think that the steam that's happened makes sense yeah and per vr's sheet it looks like with all the newest mocks like they're almost dead even i think there's a slight lean at

this point to mitchell which was not the case like a couple of weeks ago in terms of you just like averaged out all the positions of where people have selected them. So yeah, it's not super valuable right now, but any, any thoughts here with the right now? I mean, I can't right now.

The mocks are, there's a dangerous consensus going on right now. Like to a level that I don't think i can remember seeing like right now there's like 34 guys being drafted in the first round out of like the 30 mocks that i look at 30 plus give or take like there's no variance it's the consensus is crazy which if it pans out accurate that's great for us. But it is extremely dangerous. Which, like Jackson Powers Johnson, I think it was Nick Orozco, our friend, pointed out yesterday that it was notable that Jeremiah

and Kuyper, neither of them had him in the first round. And Jeremiah has never had him in the first round yet out of the four that he's done. Every single mock right now has jackson powers johnson 100 other than those two in the first round so it's the same 34 guys that are really being mocked like i would love some variants like 40 guys usually is like the sweet spot but outside of once you get to like the 35th guy on my sheet, then the first round percentages get to like 15, 10 out of like the 30 that I track. So the copycat consensus, it is March, which is usually when you start to see this.

And hopefully we get a little bit more variance as we get closer. But it's scary. But at the same time, if it works out this way, it should be pretty profitable at the same time. Yeah. I mean, the issue is that you have two positions that are just like, that are normally in the mix. Just to piggyback off of Jackson power,

Johnson, some of the information that I've been chasing down specifically because Pittsburgh's a team that's been kind of linked to him a little bit. Everybody I've talked to in the Pittsburgh know says that it's much too early to draft Jackson Powers, Johnson for them there at 20. And so at least Pittsburgh evaluation on him thinks that he's not going to be a player that's in that 20 to 25 range, that if he is drafted, it's going to be in those back, you know, six to seven picks of the first round and possibly out of the first round.

So a lot of what you're seeing coming out of jeremiah and kuiper aligns with some of the other information that i'm getting from people that are connected with the front offices of specifically goodsburg uh that definitely makes sense yeah yeah um i wanted to add real quick like there's two positions that are just like totally i mean not even in play this year which is like running back and safety which normally we get like, you know, one or two of each generally, at least like kind of close. And we just have zero of each. And so if zero each of those, like there's not that many,

I guess there are the two, you know, Pennix or Knicks, but they're all mocked like in the top 15. Like there's not really anyone mocking them like in the late half because none of those teams are really a threat to pick a quarterback, at least seems right now. So I don't know. I think that that's probably lends to some of the like less in volatility but i'm sure you know as we get close to the draft we're gonna hear random names uh kind of creep up there into that top 32 at least maybe not hopefully but i don't know i'd love a little

bit more mix up to some of this yeah the back half of the draft is filled there's like extreme depth at three positions and it is loaded with teams that need two of those three positions you have a ton of offensive linemen still to go you have a ton of wide receivers and then there's defensive linemen slash edge rushers or you know a handful mix of those guys you know interior defensive linemen but like all these like multiple needs kind of where guys are expected to go as well so it becomes kind of like parsing through is there any free agents scuffles that are coming up in the next couple of weeks that could change these things or you know any of the news that we

can hope to kind of pinpoint where that is because that'll kind of help shape what vr is talking about where there's just a ton of consensus it's very easy to like not pick this team to go corner in this mock. We're going to give them a receiver this time. But then that corner is still going to go within like two or three picks because there's a bunch of other teams that need them as well. So it's just very, very interesting the way this dynamic is shifting to. How about some of the back end corners or receivers?

Some of these guys too are offensive line in those three positions that I'm talking about. Are there any of those guys that you think VR that are like have made a name for themselves are kind of coming up in your sheet that are a little bit more consistent obviously coming out of the combine we had the buzz out of the the texas guys you know with with worthy ad mitchell both running really well uh you know teams want to like put those guys in the back end the more you hear about like say a graham barton uh who fits a ton needs, who could play a bunch of positions along the offensive line.

Like, he seems to fit a bunch of teams. Anything kind of at the bottom half that you're feeling a little bit more stronger about as we kind of get closer? I mean, every single mock has the Bills and the Chiefs taking a wide receiver, which everyone's had Xavier Worthy to the Chiefs at 32, which I think was in Jeremiah's mock. He kind of went against that and went Adande Mitchell for the reason of the Chiefs signing Hollywood Brown.

But when there's such a high consensus this late, you kind of want to go against the grain, at least in terms of betting team two position. But Lasseter, he's kind of falling after, I think he ran like 4-6 at his pro day last week. But Michael Hall is one guy that I'm kind of keeping an eye out. I forget who the guy was. It was the Senior Bowl guy. He was a Senior Bowl expert on Twitter.

I forget whatever his name is. Nagy. Michael Hall, who's the... Yeah, Nagy. Yeah, I think so. The D-line out of Ohio State. He's like one guy I think teams are a lot higher on than the media. But really, like there's such a consensus,

it's like tough to see anyone rising at all. It feels like everyone's falling because the consensus is so strong right now. But if Knicks and panics go in the first round if one of them or two figuring out who the guys are gonna fall out i think it's great because they could take two spots up and guys like maybe that would put offensive line under nine and a half instead of over um if those quarterbacks go but i think free agency is somewhat buttoned up. I don't know how many guys are left that could really make a difference.

But Braden Fisk was the other guy that had a fantastic combine that's definitely rising. It feels like the D-line, like Chris Jenkins, Braden Fisk, are kind of rising. I mean, I think Walter updated his mock yesterday, and he had TJ Tampa, who I have no idea who he is out of Iowa. He had Roger Rosengarden, which is a tackle from Washington,

which was the first time I've heard of him as well. And I expect both of those guys probably to be in his mock for the next month or so. But Walter and Charlie, the two guys that definitely throw darts on the randoms. And honestly, you have to take it for something because they're the best at this for sure.

Is that Frazier? He's another guy that Frazier is definitely rising big time. Who is the, I think guard from West Virginia. I don't know if he's garter center, but Zach Frazier, I'm seeing a ton of now. Yeah.

The darts are also like a chance to, you know, just kind of, you know, pinpoint a guy that you like and just want to say, Hey, I want to be early on this guy. You just kind of like,

Hey, I'm going to use a March, a March mock to kind of, you know, flag playing the guy that you think is, is pretty interesting. Scott, how do you feel about the chiefs?

The chiefs, you know, with obviously the Hollywood Brown signing, still a positional lead at wide receiver there on DraftKings, minus 120 to take a wide receiver with the first pick. I think offensive line is still a need there as well. It's plus 220 corner because you're still hearing a lot of like a luxurious need.

Movements, obviously they've drafted a ton of depth behind him in the last couple of years. That's why they're maybe willing to move on but hey like there's some corners that could be available there too along with defensive line and edge i think like all plus money lines there on the chiefs i think are are interesting too i'm not necessarily something embeddable at this point but what are your thoughts on the chiefs and you know just the consensus of putting a wide receiver there yeah i don't think it's uh as locked in as what a lot of people think. And even before the Hollywood Brown signing,

the players that I've heard heavily connected to the Chiefs are actually at offensive tackle. And that would be Jordan Morgan and then the other tackle from BYU, Kingsley Sua Mataya, however you say his last name. I've been told that if either of those two players were there at 32, that the Chiefs would pull the trigger and not pass on them. So those are two players that I would keep an eye on. A little bit of pushback.

Zach Frazier is a guy who you've seen rising in a lot of mock drafts, but some of the scouting community that I've talked to and that I've touched base with don't believe that he's a first-round talent. They think that he is skilled, but that's particularly on the interior. It's a little bit of a weaker class and that what he's put out there on film would not make him, you know, be a first round talent. And then you also talk about the value of drafting a center there in the first round. So he's a guy while he's rising and you're going to see him in a lot of mock drafts. I don't project him going into the first round and I don't think any of my mocks will have him there.

Interesting. Yeah. Connor, I could do this all day, but we're pushing an hour here. Anything that you want to wrap up with as we shut down shop? I know, I know. And so we could do this for another hour if we really wanted to.

Okay. So Scott's comments there. Chiefs right now, plus 220 to draft an offensive lineman, minus 120 to draft a wideout. I mean, if you're saying that they're going to pick one of Kingsley or Jordan Morgan if they're there, I mean, one of them is going to be there. It's like, you know, I mean – And I also think there's a chance that, like, you know, Xavier Worthy, Donny Mitchell all go before the Chiefs pick. Like, I think that that's very much the range of outcomes.

So are they going to pick, like, a Ladd McConkie or Keon Coleman or someone like that? I think they might probably prefer to go off at the line. So it could be some value there. Also, if you're saying that there, if we assume that one of those guys is picked, that puts VR is over nine and F Lyman as well, because like they're kind of the 10th guy right there. Uh, because looking at like alt Flaga, Fashanu, uh, Troy Fatu, J.C. Latham, Mims, Powers Johnson.

That's, I guess, maybe a little bit more skeptical than we thought originally, but Barton and Guyton seem pretty safely on the edge right now. We're looking 87%, 91% in round one. And then Morgan and Kingsley are kind of the two fringe guys. But again, if you're getting one of those guys, you're very likely to be hitting over nine and a half. Yeah.

VR any last thoughts before we wrap up? Seemed good. Love it. Scott, anything in closing? We missed you for a little bit, but you know, floor is yours if you want to take us home with any final thoughts. Yeah, man. A little bit busy out here in Vegas this week with some fights coming up

this week for UFC. Had my times a little bit mixed out here in Vegas this week with some fights coming up this week for UFC. Had my times a little bit mixed up, but look, you know, everything's fluid right now. And really, I think right now where you're at as far as the market with what VR said with the 34 or so players that kind of are falling in that range, you really have to you're going to have to do a little bit more line shopping this year than what you've probably done in the past. I think you're going to have to find the book that gives you a few extra points here and there in some positions. But some of these players that are currently being mocked in the first round, I think you have to start to play out scenarios where they're going to fall. And that's Latu and it's Powers Johnson know, Powers Johnson and, you know, even Kool-Aid McKinstry.

I think what you're going to end up seeing late there in the first round, you're going to see some teams that are in the second round end up moving into those last few kicks, either to grab that last offensive tackle that they have in a tier or to grab that quarterback that they didn't get, you know, looking at Denver in particular. But I think those are going to be the moves that kind of push some of these players down the boards and potentially out of the first round. So whenever you're looking at some of the bets and some of the lines that you have out there right now, start to consider those things, play out some of the different scenarios that you could see happening,

specifically with those teams that are in the first, like, seven or so picks in the second round, because those are going to be the teams that likely move up into this, into the late first round to kind of change things. Sorry, Jeff, no kickers, no kicker talk. You know, no, no first round kickers going by. This is a good way to get a good way to get fired is to take a place kicker in the first round. So appreciate everyone hanging out, hit the thumbs up, subscribe before you take off,

come back for next week's show. Maybe it's continue to get better as we go on. We get more information. We'll ramp up. We'll start doing more shows as we get closer and closer. He said that I didn't even, I just happened to look at the time. I saw we were already in an hour.

I had like three more questions to ask. So like we can talk about this stuff all day long. Like I said, you know, these are three of the smartest people to talk about this and listen to so uh happy to be able to bring this to you guys all season long so uh for vr for scott for connor i'm ryan we'll see y'all next time thanks everybody you