Move The Line - LIVE 2023 NFL Mock Draft | EXCLUSIVE Insights From Mock Draft Gurus

Starting point is 00:00:00 All right, it is time. We are less than a week away and the best way to put pen to paper is to bring all my friends to talk and do a live mock draft, John Daigle, Scott Smith, and we are bringing in the heavyweight, the muscle at this time of year. It is our friend Vegas Refunds, and we're going to do a mock draft. How are we doing? Start with you, VR. What's going on, bud? Happy to be here. Ready to do this. VR took the initiative to kick us and get us going, and obviously we're talking about this all day long, all the time, and let's just do it. We're six days away.

Starting point is 00:00:46 It is close. I think we are starting to have more fully formed opinions. And I wanted to go through the process of doing a mock draft. If you are hanging out with us on YouTube, watching live, probably the best way to do that. If you're listening to the podcast form, we're going to be bringing up the screen and walking through a mock draft. We'll try to make it as podcast friendly as possible.

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Starting point is 00:01:42 the screen up here. There we go. Technology is working. I'll start here. Any disagreement with Bryce Young at number one, VR? Yeah, just slot him in. Slot him in, okay. All right, so the draft starts at two. Common thing you will hear, anything that you're doing. Hey, the draft starts at, I expect this year it is two.

Starting point is 00:02:06 You can make a case that the draft starts at three now, Connor. We are getting some, I don't know, positive reinforcement here. The markets have moved in a similar way. We discussed doing maybe a second mock draft because maybe there's a, I don't know, an inflection point here at two with discussions of what's going on with the Texans. Can they afford to not take a quarterback? Which defender do they like? Some of the stuff that we touched on on Tuesday's show. But uh conrad i'll kick it to you for the texans here

Starting point is 00:02:28 yeah for me i'll just i'll just start it off with i think that they're gonna have to pick a quarterback here and part of the reason is because you know everything i've been hearing behind the scenes has been that nick casario had a pretty tumultuous offseason you know kind of bumping heads with the ownership a little bit didn't necessarily get his pick for the head coach. Uh, and now is at a point where if they don't pick a quarterback, I mean, you're rolling out Davis mills case Keenum again, like it seems like a spot where I don't think he makes it through the year. At least if there's a rookie, maybe you can sell some hope. So I think that based on everything we've heard, we'll Levis is their second ranked quarterback on the board that's my current lean now that being said i think that anyone could be like a kind of a

Starting point is 00:03:09 sellable quarterback outside of davis mills case keenum if they trade for trey lance where there's rumors been rumors about that or someone of that caliber that could at least sell hope uh that they have the illusion of winning i think would make sense so personally i will i lean will levis and i'll kind of like start it out there uh if anyone has any you know other thoughts on kind of this pick i'm literally good with anyone but stroud like in terms of like how i would rank these guys would go probably levis tyree a little bit of a space anderson and then anyone else is just like take a lap um yeah which both of those between qb and d line we have totally different blueprints on how it can roll out but i fully support levis famous last words i am still fairly certain they're not taking a quarterback at number two everyone keeps contributing to the

Starting point is 00:04:02 idea that they don't want to roll into the season without one to sell their fans. When have they wanted one to sell their fans? I think you're looking at it illogically whenever they haven't proven that they're going to step in, right? Even when listening to that Daniel Jeremiah, Pete Schrager, Comoc, it wasn't said as if they are certain of what will happen they were literally in jest with one another and jeremiah said but you know pete it only takes one it only takes one person stepping in like they have no idea and nothing suggests they'll take a quarterback here so still in very high belief it's going to be tyree wilson and right now there's no reason to think otherwise no reason else to think otherwise is a very strong statement.

Starting point is 00:04:47 Hard, hard disagree. That's okay. That's fine. Scott, I'm going to give the floor to you, bud. I tend to lean the same side as Daigle. Not only is my pushback a little bit against Will Levis, who I think Houston, if they do want him, has an opportunity to move up from 12.

Starting point is 00:05:06 But I just tend to go with the evaluations on Stroud over what you've seen out of Will Levis. We've heard that Hendon Hooker is on some boards ahead of Will Levis and some of these other guys. So I'm leaning at one of these two edge rushers and either Will Anderson or Tyree Wilson here at two, and that's what's going to be reflected in my next mock draft. Who do you lean Tyree or Anderson? As of right now, I tend to lean

Starting point is 00:05:31 Anderson. Not only that, but remember Texans have number 12 overall pick. They have three picks on day two, including the number 33 overall pick. I'm pretty sure they get something done to quote unquote sell their fans, even though again, they're not trying to sell their fans anything. No one's ever stepped in and try to sell Texans fans anything at all. And so that's where I think they get quarterback done with Trey Lance only because of the ties with the DC in Houston with D'Amico Ryan's. That's where I lean right now. I genuinely don't think there's any interest in a quarterback.

Starting point is 00:06:01 I agree with Patrick in the comment section here. Yeah. They're right there. They have the 12th pick, but we have, I think we all agree or are in some of the same circles and discussions that the Colts have him, have Will Levis, whatever we think of the prospect, the Colts have him as the top guy on their board. So theoretically, yeah, they could trade up, but what are they going to select two and three? That seems a little bit of a tough sell to me for them to select two and three um that seems a little bit uh of a tough

Starting point is 00:06:25 sell to me for them to to get up to three to make that happen now again they have the resource to do so i'm not saying it can't happen but i feel like you know that your interdivision rival has the guy there as well i mean they have to know that if we know some of that stuff too right so like uh we're interested it's interesting here so kind of have connor with a not super strong will levis take i'm gonna i think vr was more of a stronger levis take and then we're split there with uh with dagel and scott in terms of what's going to happen i'm gonna i'm gonna break the tie because i guess as the host i get to do that because uh based off what the market's telling in some of the movement this is a will levis based on my portfolio gosh better be will levis so um well you know we have the second one

Starting point is 00:07:06 i'm keeping the second one on the side and we could talk through that uh at the end of the show once we get through the first one so dagle says you got overworked here um first of all i know your discussion or your opinion here trades are your non-trade guy in mock draft i will just say if anyone has a really strong take and they want to make a trade when i'm tossing the pick to you we could discuss it as a group too but i know daigle feels pretty strongly about not making trades but uh jd i'll kick it to you for uh the cardinals at three who are again obviously i bring that up because they're pretty popular trade i also i also just think the trades are common thought right now and they don't make much sense considering i don't know who has the capital to move up like the eagles have the capital to move up which is why when i hear like eagles moving

Starting point is 00:07:51 up to eight for instance to grab bijan robinson the eagles have all the plethora in the world no big deal it doesn't hurt them whatsoever to take a running back but the titans again three picks in the top 146 they're rumored to come to three i don't know how they get up to three i don't believe the titans trade up at all. That's why I think they just stand put or trade back instead. Who else would also move up to three? Maybe the Raiders,

Starting point is 00:08:13 but since Patriots cronies all think alike, they don't have opinions for themselves. They all are literally saying all three in Josh McDaniels, Michael Lombardi, and Nick Cesario, that they are down on CJj stroud and don't consider him a real prospect in that case i don't think the raiders are moving up at all either so no i think the cardinals just stay put as they've done to this point of the process

Starting point is 00:08:34 and we've all heard and i believe it's the right sources they have tyree wilson vehemently over will anderson so if tyree wilson is here that's where they go otherwise we have a real conversation about what they do and i just think although wilson is ahead of anderson on their board that does not mean anderson is not the pick i think they may just settle we've all seen their defensive depth chart it is absolute garbage especially in trying to replace jj watt so i think it's just an easy call here although it's not sexy it's not fun I think it's just Will Anderson if Tyree Wilson's gone I do think if Levis goes too I think the Lions are alive to trade up they definitely have the assets and if

Starting point is 00:09:16 quarterback is a top of their priority like they would have to probably let's assume jump the Colts or jump the like Colts and Seahawks would be very alive for AR which it wouldn't they wouldn't have to give up anything astronomical from six to three and they have the assets and I've always thought they were alive and like kind of the team that was the most live to trade make a trade that no one's really talking about, which it'd be a good fit in terms of like the bridge quarterback type team with, you could argue if Goff is that or not. But they would have to probably jump the Seahawks and the Colts if they want to. Scott, you mentioned that on our last show that they're a team that's live to trade up as well. Any more insight into that?

Starting point is 00:10:03 Yeah, the two people that, two players that I've actually looked at and seen them, one is Tyree Wilson and the other one was actually Stroud, surprisingly. I just don't think from a fit as far as Detroit that Anthony Richardson is going to fit within that offense and the way they want to run things. It's too big of a jump from golf to Richardson. So I believe that if Detroit is going to be live to go ahead and move up to three, it would be for Stroud. We do have, in this instance, Will Levis off the board at two and Arizona kind of essentially making the pick.

Starting point is 00:10:36 Pretty good intel, trusted source that we all agree that seems to say Tyree is ahead of Will Anderson on the Cardinals board. I think that that's an actionable source. It's proven to be actionable in the past. I trust that, Connor. So what are your thoughts here with pick three? Yeah, I would lean Tyree. I like having multiple sources of confirmation,

Starting point is 00:10:57 and it seems like that's what we're getting, but I know VR is nodding his head over there. Generally, I'm only at like one or two right now, but maybe you have a couple other people chirping in your saying the same thing yeah yeah i mean i there's a couple certainties in the top five it's one bryce is going one and then based off of what everyone's heard or whether it's lance's airline or people behind the scenes that the cardinals have tyree ahead and just looking at at at the list of meetings, they've had multiple meetings with Tyree Wilson,

Starting point is 00:11:29 including a top 30 visit. So the Arizona Cardinals have definitely been kicking the tires on Tyree Wilson, and I would definitely put them a little bit more in that camp rather than Will Anderson. All right, so currently Will Anderson, three and a half. We just discussed it, two, to the Texans. But, you know, interesting thing here with the Cardinals. VR, four with the Colts.

Starting point is 00:11:55 What are your thoughts now that their alleged guy, Will Levis, is off the board? This is, like, the hardest one if Levis is off. I'm just going to go AR. You hear Richardson totally bombed his interviews with the Colts, but then we have CJ Stroud who those McGill or McGinn, whatever his name is, this morning about his elementary level S2 test, whatever the hell that is.

Starting point is 00:12:24 It's just a tough scene where if i hadn't seen that like i would like if i didn't know you got like an 18 percent on s2 i'd be like okay stroud like just pencil a minute four um but at the same time i would say i would probably ar and like pencil um but i'm not totally like sold it's one of the two quarterbacks the one wrench in this noonan is that as we know uh for a shameless plug kevin bowen who has covered the colts for over a decade came on the 4-4 podcast the most accurate podcast and said the one thing that has stuck around between Chris Bowder and Jim Irsay has always been quarterback accuracy.

Starting point is 00:13:11 And yet, Will Levis, he even said, is number one on their board. And if CJ Stroud's here, literally, there is no one who had a higher completion rate, who had more accuracy in both intermediate 10 to 19 yards and deep 20 plus yards levels of the field than CJ Stroudon's class. That's the one thing I keep trying to wrap my head around.

Starting point is 00:13:29 It's like, if it comes down to accuracy, take an accurate quarterback. Literally not the most inaccurate quarterback outside of Anthony Richardson and Will Levis. But we've heard from, I think it's four separate voices who don't have Patriots ties and they have different opinions and come to different conclusions

Starting point is 00:13:44 that Will Levis is the number one quarterback on their board. And so that's the only reason I keep coming back to Levis going at this pick. If he's still around. Didn't strike. Well, isn't there a quote on from him recently? Maybe it was like today where you have that accuracy aspect,

Starting point is 00:14:00 but then he, something came out where he thinks accuracy can be taught as well. Like if your numbers in college weren't, that an amazing quote i need to find that i think i swear i saw something he did say that yeah which is outrageous but he did say it he may actually be biased too since jalen hurts who is an amazing story because he legitimately improved every year whereas josh allen was a train wreck for two years. And then because he picked up golf, it clicked. Like he even says, I learned how to swing differently to make different shots.

Starting point is 00:14:31 And I took that to my football game and I learned how to throw the ball. And so Jalen Hurts is such the anomaly. But if you have recency bias because Steichen developed Hurts, that would make sense totally in an NFL mind. And right now, if A.R. doesn't go, he could fall if someone doesn't trade up. But if Stroud doesn't go, I think his ceiling is the Raiders, we would assume. Which, yeah. And if you want to make the connection to the Eagles,

Starting point is 00:15:01 the Eagles with A.R. fits the Eagles with like AR fits the Eagles offense more since that's the offense that he's bringing. Yeah, I mean, I'll let you guys decide this one. I'm comfortable with that. I think Scott really wants CJ Stroud here. I could go there. That's fine. Just based off of my reading of Scott.

Starting point is 00:15:20 This doesn't mean Scott gets his way. I'm just trying to read Scott's body language here a little bit too. So Scott, what are your thoughts? And quickly, Scott, let's note to everyone. Scott is literally a top five accurate mock drafter in the nation for the last five years. That's the person you should listen to. The rest of us are donkeys. So go ahead, Scott. I just look at it and look, we're here. We're here trying to connect the dots and grabbing at straws of any piece of information that we can get. And throughout this entire process, and we start talking about the S2, and we start talking about some of this negative information that's come out here on Stroud over the last few days.

Starting point is 00:15:59 Brady Quinn said he didn't show up to the Manning Passing Academy. And then Stroud turns around and says, well, I never committed to the Manning Passing Academy. Then you have the S2 test that's been, you know, getting a whole lot of buzz and pub lately. But, like, you have teams like Houston that say they don't even subscribe to the S2 test. They have something completely different. So I think when you have to sit here and connect the dots a lot of this

Starting point is 00:16:21 and you're talking about the unknown you know what's going to happen within these these rooms I tend to lean and fall back on the grade that is is there for some of these players and I think Stroud throughout the entire process has had the higher grade than what you're looking at here with Anthony Richardson there was a lot of buzz after a combine because he ran fast was super athletic and all of those things. But we knew all of that going in. I think when you look at the body of work that Stroud has there in college, I don't see how that Anthony Richardson would be the pick over Stroud. The Stroud buzz to me almost feels a little bit like Kayvon Thibodeau kind of ask last year where we got like word like, oh, he bombed his visit to

Starting point is 00:17:02 the Giants. We bombed all these visits is not not a good fit and then he ends up still going to the giants anyways like i know that we're hearing kind of behind the scenes not quite as publicly that stroud has bombed his visits but at the same time like it has been just like a negative drum beat for the last week and a half on stroud with all the stuff that scott mentioned that was i mean fairly easily debunked on some of it but like he just hasn't had that public support. So I don't know. It does almost seem like the Colts could be ecstatic and he wound up being the number one quarterback on their board at four over Will Levis, even though we've heard otherwise.

Starting point is 00:17:32 So I don't know, just something to keep in mind, I think. My only issue with that, and I'm not even saying you're wrong. I think it's right. I think if you're talking about accuracy, Stroud very clearly over Levis. Stroud is amazing. The only thing is we knew from the very beginning, Brian Dable, Joe Shane, and Mike Kafka were playing a different game

Starting point is 00:17:49 than everyone else, where Ursae and Ballard have never shown us that in just the last few years of Carson Wentz and Matt Ryan. So that's my only thing is saying that I don't think they're smart enough to play games, to be honest. But I could be wrong, and Stroud over Levis would be would fit the mold honestly so it makes sense i mean the early buzz with it they like stroud at least that's what i remember uh noon and i don't know you wanted to jump in there but well because when daigle came on last week with his mock draft he had will anderson for to the colts will anderson still on the board in this

Starting point is 00:18:20 process uh has anything changed for you where are you at again he's you know we're talking just kind of one or two quarterbacks but you know the guy that you slotted in your mock and again so much information changes so i'm not holding you to a mock you made two weeks of course just curious what your process is for the colts and the lions what changes for me is that i didn't think cj strab would be there and now i guess we're confirming he will be. And I think that changes for a lot of people from pick number four on. And so your mocks should change considering now we have to play the smokescreen game that Stroud will be there.

Starting point is 00:18:53 So of course, like, and the fact that Scott think is piecing the dots better than myself together and thinks that Stroud will be number four, that makes me happy because it does make sense. And the only hump I could not get over was the new cycle hump. And so there's clearly something blind in my game, maybe. So yeah, I like that Scott's on that because that makes a lot more sense, honestly. All right. One word answer. Sorry. No, for your pick, Connor. It's Stroud. JD? There you go. Gosh. Yeah, I heard.

Starting point is 00:19:27 It's Stroud or Levis. I'll still go Levis right now. Levis is off the board. He went second. One word. Sorry. Levis is off the board. He went second.

Starting point is 00:19:34 Oh, that's wrong. Stroud. So wrong. All right. Stroud it is. Because I know Scott's answer. I'm with you, VR. I'm kind of on a rich there uh all right seattle five uh scott i'll let it kick to you you know we've talked about anthony richardson

Starting point is 00:19:51 being an option there um we feel pretty good and daigle i know probably will want to interject around feeling like they want to cross jaylen carter off as an option there even though there's probably a team needs fit there seems to be enough of a drumbeat there that Carter seems to not be an option for them. Great spot for them. Seems like Will Anderson's on the board. Seems to me like an Anderson or Richardson discussion, Scott, but I'll let you get started. Yeah, I actually think Will Anderson's easy selection here for me as far as like nomination. I think Jalen Carter is in play here, and I also think Anthony Richardson's in play here. Really for me, I just think Will Anderson, while he might not be the elite prospect that a lot of other teams or even some evaluators think

Starting point is 00:20:30 he is, he's maybe the cleanest prospect of what's left here. And we talked earlier in the season, whenever we talked about four quarterbacks possibly going one through four, how excited Seattle would be with that. In this situation, I'm going to go ahead and lean Will Anderson. They could probably use three edge defenders in this draft coming out of the first couple of rounds. So I think he would be the selection here and just check off more of the boxes, whereas Jalen Carter, you have some off-the-field concerns as far as him. And then Anthony Richardson, you have some development concerns

Starting point is 00:21:03 as to whether or not he's going to need a red shirt year or two before you can go ahead and trust him. So here, I just think we'll Anderson checks more of the boxes for Seattle. What'd you go VR? Yeah. I mean, I think in terms of like prioritizing how Seattle will go, I think it's Anderson Richardson,

Starting point is 00:21:21 Tyree Jalen. You want to cross Jalen Carter off the list here? I would like to, yeah. Again, that Peter Schrager, Daniel Jeremiah, mocked they together. Everyone can listen to it at Move the Sticks. They collaborated, and they had not talked before then about their intel, and both had separate conclusions as to why Jalen Carter's not the pick. That alone is enough for me.

Starting point is 00:21:50 Danny Kelly also, who is very tight with the Seahawks organization and just loves the Seahawks, like passion in their organization, so he pays attention to everything, also crossed Jalen Carter off the list. That's enough sources for me. The only reason I continue putting Anthony Richardson there to them is because in most of my mocks, Anderson and Wilson are not there. I assume they run to the board for whomever's left over. If one of those two get there. So if one of those two are there, like Scott said, Anderson's the very clear pick. Uh, Connor picked to the Seahawks. Yeah. In this instance, Anderson, I do, I disagree slightly

Starting point is 00:22:23 with Luke. I think that they have Tyree Wilson ahead ahead of uh will anderson or at least it's like a coin flip right now i think it's a little bit closer than you're suggesting but i do think ar is in play and our buddy uh rob statten has gone on about that i think very much in play with gino smith on a one-year contract you know or you know a contract set up so that he easily got out in one year so that's the only way i'd flip it but otherwise i think we're all in lockstep all right pop will anderson in there lions uh had some i don't call it take lock but maybe we've had a little take lock in terms of what's happening with the lions uh vr let you get started with your thoughts on detroit at six so i do think like witherspoon is like the consensus pick here uh that's who i'm definitely gonna recommend for the pick at six where i do think it is a little bit overblown to that just because

Starting point is 00:23:11 they traded akuta they're like automatically going corner where even like on draft kings the odds like the odds of corner like minus 250 and then a couple days ago I checked and all of a sudden D line was minus one Oh five and corner was even odds, which was like, why? But it would be Witherspoon Carter, definitely allowed to trade back or trade up. But I just think Witherspoon's kind of just as easy of a pick right here as Anderson was. Scott floor is yours. And they've been talking about the Lions

Starting point is 00:23:46 as being a trade-off option. In this scenario, they have a quarterback fall to them. What are you thinking? You've also kind of been a, you know, a little bit of a Gonzalez guy over Witherspoon as well throughout the process. Yeah, I have pushed back on, you know, Witherspoon being the first cornerback off the board

Starting point is 00:24:02 due to some of the trends in past history over the last 10 years with GM's drafting underclassmen as the first defensive back off the board. Then you had the news come out today where you had some Lions players get suspended, some indefinitely, you know, one for six games. And they also fired some coaches, from what I understand, and some staff members for some gambling that happened inside of the facility there in Detroit. So when you start looking at some of that, I think that kind of takes a little bit of the steam off of Jalen Carter being the pick here. I would still kind of push back and have Gonzalez maybe as being the pick over Devin Witherspoon. As I've said, I think it's a 1A, 1B situation. So if somebody wants to go Witherspoon here,

Starting point is 00:24:49 I'm not going to fight it that hard. JD, where are you at with Detroit? Completely agree. I'm having a tough time pinpointing the Lions, especially because VR behind the scenes. I know we have discussions. He personally set CJ Stroud's line at six and a half. And I think it's perfect because Stroud had the most work done arguably in the entire draft by Detroit.

Starting point is 00:25:13 He seemed to be the quarterback this team wanted. And now I think there's a real chance he just falls to them. And so do they just reconfigure their entire draft board with another pick at 18 to make sure they get Stroud here. I certainly think it's possible if he's there, but Witherspoon makes sense. Jalen Carter, I have no idea what they think of character concerns. I think they would be out, but I could be wrong there. So I'm willing to listen. I think Witherspoon makes more sense than Carter personally. Connor, where are you at? I know we've been kind of, you know, lockstep too with Witherspoon to Detroit in terms of, you know of the man tendencies based off of how he was used at the U of I,

Starting point is 00:25:50 based off of what Detroit liked to do last year, running back similar coaching staff and some of that stuff that you would expect the scheme to stay the same. And not to say that Christian Gonzalez can't come and play man in the NFL. You know, Witherspoon just has kind of been an easier fit for me. Yeah, I kind of agree. Also Lance Eerlein came out today and said that Spoon tested better than Gonzalez and S2, you know, since that seems to be the common buzzword around everything, who knows how much that shit even matters for being a corner, but whatever, you know, I think it's a talking point that's worth, you know, at least addressing. Patrick brought up in the chat, Carter isn't known for gambling, just incredibly reckless driving. I think it's more the concept of bringing in

Starting point is 00:26:27 a troubled player into an organization that is already kind of going through a little bit of turmoil right now. And so having your kind of rock in place there and not having gone through just a gambling scandal to bring in a guy who's a little bit, I guess, seemingly troubled doesn't make much sense. So I'm going to go with Witherspoon here.

Starting point is 00:26:43 But honestly, I don't feel as good as the odds suggested as right now, I think for like a large field market, like I feel like there's a little bit more volatility. I'm just not really sure the best way to approach it at this point. The other pushback I have against cornerback specifically at this position is that the staff has come out and said that they're not overly concerned that that cornerback is a top priority for them with things in the way it's going. Also, when you start looking at this draft, there are deeper positions and cornerback happens to be one of them here in this draft. And with them at 18, there are some players that they've brought in and have visit with that happen to play cornerback. So I do think it's a situation

Starting point is 00:27:22 where you could see them address the cornerback position at 18 rather than here at six. A hundred percent. A hundred. Or like if they go like Jalen Carter, then you might as well like subtract a spot on every corner over under in the 20s right now, because that's just going to drag them all down. Like Banks is at like 20 and a half, which might as well be 19 and a half if they go Jalen or 18 and a half. I could not agree with that more. If I could flip one card to show everyone in this draft, it would a hundred percent be Jalen Carter's landing spot. Cause I think that would open up the rest of the draft and mocks for us. Honestly. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:27:59 I kind of agree. Like I liked it. I hate that it's like moved to the consensus. And I think Scott's point around the depth of the position even the second round uh there are some viable cornerbacks i think are going to go in the top 50 of this draft so you know if something happens this is why the way this board's falling with even richardson there i just don't think that that's i wouldn't comfortably cross that off i think that's very much in the range of outcomes connor failing to give a shout out here yeah i dropped the ball here dane brought that up in one of our little degenerate group chats there so shout out dane

Starting point is 00:28:28 uh one of the i don't even know if i know anyone else who bets more on the draft than dane so shout out to him sirius like a serious sick puppy man that guy's like a sick human being in a good way in a good way uh for the sake of the process we going to go Witherspoon and keep the train rolling here with the Raiders to Scott here at seven. I'll let you get your first thoughts on the board here. Look, I think there's a ton of ways that the Raiders could go here. Their defense I've been harping on for a while has just been absolutely atrocious and has really been kind of the reason why I think they've lost so much. You've got Anthony Richardson here on the board.

Starting point is 00:29:10 You've got Jalen Carter as well. I've heard that Jalen Carter is not in play for the Raiders for whatever reason. I don't think things have gone quite as well as what they could have there. So I'm hearing that he's off the board. You've got offensive line that's come up. But, look, I think I'm going to go ahead and kind of end the fall

Starting point is 00:29:31 because I don't know how far the fall would go. And I'm just going to go ahead and put Anthony Richardson here at seven for the Raiders. If not here, then it's going to be a long fall. Dagle, we've talked about, you know, the Jimmy G contract. They did a great job structuring. It allows them to lock into Jimmy G for a couple of years. If he stays healthy and performs and gives them flexibility to get out of

Starting point is 00:29:56 that, if they happen to land in a spot like this, where they can add a true difference maker for the longterm, what are your thoughts with the Raiders at seven? I don't think I have strong thoughts on Anthony Richardson. I'm not pushing back, certainly, especially since McDaniels is the one who previously overthrew Denver management and traded up for Tim Tebow.

Starting point is 00:30:13 That was 100% his choice. And Anthony Richardson is not Tebow. He has a much higher ceiling. But in terms of a project quarterback, McDaniels has already taken one on for high capital. Why couldn't he take another one on? So definitely don't hate it. But still have in this situation these picks down to one of Christian Gonzalez Paris Johnson or Peter Skowronski I'm hoping VR maybe has a lean on either Paris

Starting point is 00:30:36 Johnson or Peter Skowronski because I think we're hearing both and I don't know which one the Raiders would prefer if they're leaning tackle over every other position. So there's a couple scenarios with this pick, which I think seven is probably, in terms of if the Cardinals don't trade, I think seven is the most live. Seven and eight. Because teams like the Texans don't go QB, let's just say. Teams like the Texans and the Titans at 11 and 12 trading up go QB, let's just say, for teams like the Texans and the Titans at 11 and 12, trading up into seven for, let's say, AR who might be falling,

Starting point is 00:31:10 both of these teams being the Raiders and the Falcons can most likely, there's a good probability that they can get the same guys at 11 and 12 that they would already be taking at seven or eight. Like if the Falcons are trending towards Nolan Smith, like they can probably get him at 11 or 12 they might be able to get christian gonzalez at 11 and 12 and then you have the the bears the eagles if they want jalen carter they can trade up to seven or the cardinals trading back to seven and getting jalen carter anyway um but charlie campbell who i think most know um

Starting point is 00:31:42 on walter pretty accurate yeah he Yeah. He's very accurate, and they've been harping their connections with the Raiders, and they've had Paris Johnson at seven for over a month at this point. And I don't want to – I'm drinking the Kool-Aid here. And Paris Johnson's over-under was 10.5, and I want to say two days ago it got crushed down to 9.5, which 10.5 was kind of a dead number anyway. i saw there was nothing that i saw there was no discords that i could connect the dots as to why paris johnson's overrunner would come down other than

Starting point is 00:32:17 something like him going earlier like seven than we expect um if i'm making a mock, I'm putting Paris Johnson and Charlie better not be wrong. But Gonzalez probably is the safest pick and probably most likely. The problem with the Raiders is they need pretty much everything. So it's really hard to like land a needs-based selection here as a tiebreaker because they don't have a long-term solution to quarterback. It's one of the worst defenses in the league. They need edge help. They need corner help. And they could use offensive line help. So they're long-term solution to quarterback. It's one of the worst defenses in the league. They need edge help. They need corner help.

Starting point is 00:32:46 And they could use offensive line help. So they're really, really hard to pinpoint. Like if I'm making a mock draft, I'm putting Christian Gonzalez. But if I'm making a bet, I'm betting Paris Johnson at seven. Because his odds are way more fun. Yeah. Well, that makes sense. And that's an interesting point too, right?

Starting point is 00:33:01 Because we are talking about this more from a betting standpoint than team needs and how we want the Raiders to be ready to hit the field in 2023. Connor, what are your thoughts on the Raiders? I do agree that just for a multitude of reasons, and I don't want to make light of this, they cannot pick Jalen Carter. Lives have been lost already with excessive speed. The Raiders in the last couple of years with early first round picks, again, they cannot pick Jalen Carter. Just is a really tough one for me to swallow. like excessive speed, the Raiders in the last couple of years with early first round picks. Like I,

Starting point is 00:33:25 again, like they cannot pick Jalen Carter. Just, just as a really tough one for me to swallow. Yeah. He hit the nail on the head there. So no Jalen Carter. I think Paris Johnson,

Starting point is 00:33:34 Christian Gonzalez, both are in play. Still kind of trying to decipher which one they wanted to wind up picking. I think Anthony Richardson is very much at play as well, but I mean, there were some rumblings about, I don't know,

Starting point is 00:33:44 maybe like they need to win now. I mean, they have Jamie Garoppolo, but he's, I mean, fragile. center is very much at play as well but i mean there were some rumblings about i don't know maybe like they need to win now i mean they have jamie garoppolo but he's i mean fragile i don't know i i'm pretty torn on this pick honestly if anyone has a strong take we can just go that way like if like titans trading to seven titans taking ar the raiders are probably gonna get gonzalez at 11 anyway i know we're not doing trades, John, but that one does make sense. I love how everyone points at me. You've been out of it. Well, I think trades are a

Starting point is 00:34:11 beta move. I agree. I'll put that on record. Cheap way out, cheap clicks. I won't do it, but some familiarity with the Patriots and the Raiders, some familiarity with Josh McDaniels and Mac Jones. I might just be fanboying out and want to see AR in a red, white, and blue uniform

Starting point is 00:34:33 because that would be a lot of fun. But Connor's giving me the nah wave. But go ahead, Daniel. The Raiders start the beginning of teams where you then start arguing who is higher on their board. And that's the hardest question to answer in this draft, right? Like the Eagles at 10, who is the highest on their board? Because they have their pick of the litter.

Starting point is 00:34:51 You could do that for the Texans at 12. You could do that for the Packers. You could do that for the Ravens, for the Jaguars, for the Seahawks again at 20. This is when it gets really tough because it's really just becomes a guessing game from here, honestly. All right, Scott, one name to the Raiders. Look, the pushback I'll have is that if Anthony Richardson doesn't get in here, it really just becomes a guessing game from here, honestly. All right, Scott, one name to the Raiders. Look, the pushback I'll have is that if Anthony Richardson doesn't get here, it's just as easy to slide him in down there to Tennessee at 11.

Starting point is 00:35:13 So I'm fine if we go Christian Gonzalez. I agree. I don't have an issue with it. Okay. That was well said, and it makes it nice and easy and saves us time. We are on the Falcons at eight. We've had Falcons feel similar in a way to like the Lions, in which we've kind of felt like we've landed on this group consensus

Starting point is 00:35:33 of like it's such a home run spot for the Falcons to take Bijan here, where you get a little bit of input, I think, from producer Dan, a passionate, I think, ut fan and uh falcons fan but i don't know what he's wanting to do here uh but he's in the chat i'm going to let you contribute here and i'll uh i'll let you get started vr with you know kind of some of the alternatives and if you want to kick on some bijan stuff for the falcons as well before we uh hear from producer dan yeah the three trainer names are going to be Van Ness, which it feels like he's following Nolan and then Bijan, where Bijan I think is the favorite for this pick.

Starting point is 00:36:13 But everything that you see on Twitter or all the Falcon experts are implying Nolan, which I'm kind of just defaulting to those and going with Nolan. He makes sense for multiple multiple. He's a great fit. I think they're going, I think he would be like an outside linebacker there this year. But yeah, I'm just going Nolan. I think it's a two headed race between Bijon or Nolan,

Starting point is 00:36:40 which I would love to get Bijon out of the way right now. Cause he's the other landmine that we have absolutely no idea where he's going to go. If we kick Bijan down the road here, this is going to get really interesting. Yeah, I'll go Bijan. Yeah, Bijan. All right, Dan thinks it is Nolan Smith or Van Ness does not think it'll be Bijan. Yeah, I mean, yeah, I get the Nolan Smith thing too. I'm also thinking like, all right, so these are

Starting point is 00:37:08 Falcons fans. They're probably Georgia fans too, so maybe there's a little bit of like, I don't know, fanboy bias where like they're thinking, hey, we want to keep our guy in town. I don't know. That could be me just pushing back a little bit on that too. It doesn't mean that he's a better

Starting point is 00:37:24 fit or a better player than Van Ness. But Dagle, what are your thoughts here on the Falcons? And I think Nolan Smith really starts at five, honestly, with the Seahawks. If Anderson and Tyree Wilson are gone, I'm down to two picks for the Seahawks, Anthony Richardson and Nolan Smith. That's where it starts. And so it makes sense if you think they go edge. I still don't think they go edge i still have bijon robinson i haven't budged off of it nothing has suggested i should budge off of it so i'm

Starting point is 00:37:50 right now still confident in bijon to eight and it doesn't matter about whether you think it's right or wrong and team building and uh taking on a fifth year option for running back doesn't matter at all i just think it's who they draft it's skronsky's live here too. I think O-line for the Falcons is like a very dark horse, but Skronsky's definitely live, or even Paris as well. I think Schrager had Skronsky here. Someone has. There's a couple that I've just seen Falcons going O-line. Gosh, that means they immediately kick them inside,

Starting point is 00:38:23 which is a given, given that 3-14, but that's a team declaring hey you're playing on inside immediately yeah and to be the first offensive lineman that's pretty wild we could have that same thing with skronsky though right i mean skronsky very much could be you know especially the first couple years depending on where he lands could play could play guard as well so uh connor thoughts on the falcons i know we've talked about coming off of the Bijon stuff. Your recent mock had something different too. I mean, I had originally ruled out a guy like Jalen Carter at eight, but I don't think we necessarily should. I mean, they signed Clay as Campbell,

Starting point is 00:38:53 but he's old as shit. And like, you know, if they really think that they can improve Jalen Carter here, like, you know, again, if they think that they can change him, I think he's a great fit on basically any team. So personally in this spot, I would probably just just go bijan because we've actually heard some tangible reporting but i know that like that was my biggest pushback before it was like we just haven't heard anything outside of like oh it makes sense now we finally heard some reports like it's more than just it making sense so i think i think in this spot it's probably either nolan smith or bijan but

Starting point is 00:39:20 i i mean it could go a variety of directions. Scott, where you at, buddy? My pushback on Bijan is that that's a coaching staff that has shown that they can generate production in the rushing game without having an elite, like, elite rusher. The opposite side of the ball, they finished near the bottom in nearly every pass rushing metric there is in the NFL. They hired a new defensive coordinator who's from down here in New Orleans. I've actually had some run-ins with them. And I think that they can produce as far as rushing, but they've shown nothing to show that they can produce

Starting point is 00:39:58 what they have as far as a pass rush. So I would tend to lean a little bit more towards Nolan Smith at this point in time. Man, the only thing I can come back to is that Connor mentioned Campbell, but they also overpaid David Onyemata to follow Ryan Nielsen to Atlanta. They overpaid Caden Ellis as well as an off-ball linebacker, like a three-year, $21.5 million deal. That's crazy.

Starting point is 00:40:22 So it just seems like they have so much money already tied into their front seven that i don't know man i just can't wrap my head around it and they did add a couple of second round edge rushers last year in the draft to you know maybe they want to give those guys a little bit of look as well um sorry producer dan uh we do not want i just don't i don't want to kick the can down the road guys guys. I just, I don't want to mess with. Honestly, I think it's best. Yeah. Like I think we get this out of the way.

Starting point is 00:40:48 Otherwise there are going to be so many arguments about Dallas trading up. I don't want to have them at all. No, I don't want to have the Patriots discussion here either. We have him buried using things to our friends over PFF. We're using their question later. Noonan. Does it stop at 10 anyhow? Like if we kick Bijan down the road,

Starting point is 00:41:07 should the line be 10.5 because he doesn't get past that? Washington is not taking him. That's complete smoke. I mean, you got Caesars over under. 15.5 is his line on Caesars. That's wild. And then I think it's 12.5 on FanDuel. So like literally no one has a fucking clue.

Starting point is 00:41:24 Yeah, no one has any idea. It seems very much like I just assume it stops at 10. It's like, yeah, Eagles take them. We'll take care of the rest later in the first round. No big deal. Yeah, I mean. Especially if we think Van Ness or Miles Murphy dip, which, you know, Murphy, as we've all seen,

Starting point is 00:41:42 his line has increased of late. VR, what did it get up to, 15 and a half? Murphy? Yeah. So it was like 19 and a half, went down to 18, then it came back up, and then it went back down. So, yeah, it's just teetering between like 18 and 19, which 19, you have the Bucs, which is a trendy pick towards,

Starting point is 00:42:03 where I guess that's kind of the key number, I guess you could say, in terms of the over-unders, which that over-under is way too low if you just use mock drafts. It's too juiced, but I still think the Bichon number is 10.5. I think that's the fairest number, but again, under 12.5 is too juiced, so you can't even bet it. Yeah, Bichon's under on Caes at 15 and a half is like minus two something. But then the over at 12 and a half is like minus two something too. So it's like – What a joke. Michael Lombardi did point out on his show yesterday that he's been told by two GMs that Bijan Robinson will not make it out of the top ten.

Starting point is 00:42:41 Yeah, because the Eagles stopped that slide for sure. Yeah. make it out of the top 10 yeah because the eagles stop that slide for sure yeah well so that you know it's it's a little bit easier as you get towards the bottom of 10 um to stomach you know in comparison to what happened with the giants because again it always comes down to and i you know birds like sam monson over pff had done a great job really kind of explaining this essentially like positional surplus because if you draft bijan inside the top five you were paying him as if he's a top three running back in the league part of the advantage and good team building comes from building roster surplus at the position so it's a little bit easier to swallow what you're

Starting point is 00:43:16 paying bijan let's say like closer to here eight nine twelve uh versus if you were to pay him where you know the giants took Saquon. Cause again, knowing that he probably has that in his range of outcomes to be instantly one of the top five running backs in the league. It's just very hard to ensure that if he is, well, then he's just kind of meeting the expectation of where you are in terms of where you're, you're slotting, you know, financial allocations to the roster build.

Starting point is 00:43:42 So a little bit easier once you slide down. And again, he is, it definitely feels like one of those generational talents at the position daigle we do also have a quick update as all the heff in the chat says bijan top 10 is even money on draft kings and i just bet it live and got seven dollars and 50 cents down on it so get ready for the line to move due to my ass being limited like everything else i'm limited on thank you draft kings fantastic uh connor the bears at nine we've made a pick we've made an official bet in the four for discord uh you me and scott aligned with uh a player going to the bears who has now fallen i guess is you know again the jaylen carter stuff is what i'm dancing around jaylen carter's agents uh been very clear.

Starting point is 00:44:25 Hey, we're not meeting with you outside the top 10. Not because we don't think a team could trade up. We're not meeting with you unless you're telling us you're trading up because we have basic guarantees that Jalen Carter is not falling outside of the top 10. I'm sure the Eagles would love to land him as well. They have needs up front. But again, so do the Bears. What are your thoughts, Connor, on Bears at nine?

Starting point is 00:44:44 Yeah, from my understanding, Jalen Carter was in consideration for them to be the number one overall pick alongside when they had the pick alongside Tyree Wilson. So in this spot, if they're able to trade down, get multiple firsts, DJ Moore in second, I think they would be ecstatic to land a guy

Starting point is 00:45:00 like Jalen Carter. They've done extensive work on him. Ryan Pohl seems pretty convinced that he can kind of change that character as well. We don't have a massive sample size for him, but that's just, again, things that I'm hearing from people who are basically been spot on all off season about them trading down with who they're trading down, the potential candidates, things of that sort. Another guy that was brought up that we bet on in this spot is Darnell Wright. And I think that he would be a great fit as well so i think if carter's gone the picks darn all right but in this instance carter's here so for me it's uh for me it makes

Starting point is 00:45:30 sense for it to be carter traffic is bad in chicago patrick uh i was more worried about or not worried i was more looking at the avatar of what is that superman kissing batman how did you not notice that that's did not. That is the comment. Just thank you for hanging around, Patrick. But yeah, that's what I was. It's kind of like anime porn. Sorry to the folks listening in podcasts, but that's why you watch live. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:45:58 VR, where are you at with the Bears, buddy? Yeah, it's Jalen. Just yeah, he's got to go. So I agree. yeah it's jalen just yeah it's he's got to go so um i agree i think the only way he doesn't go here is if the lions take him at six or the eagles trade up and take him before the bears yeah scott what are your thoughts on that because this is uh we're in jalen carter range right this is the floor for sure yeah i don't have much to. The only other person that I've seen very well connected to the Bears is what Connor already mentioned. That's Darnell Wright. So those are the two players that I have locked in here is Darnell Wright and Jalen

Starting point is 00:46:33 Carter. And I think if Jalen Carter's there, he's going to be a pick. All right. Jalen Carter, nine to the Bears. Now we're at the Eagles with the 10th selection. And I still think that this is a, especially with the way that the board has fallen, I think this is another great trade out spot. They can do that. They've had a tendency doing that. I think I pushed back on this a little bit. There are a million teams and we'll kind of get to some

Starting point is 00:46:59 as we continue to get down the board that would love to trade out. Just haven't heard of a lot of teams looking to trade up and having not identified players or situations to trade up for. But I'll let you get started here, Dagle, on 10 to the Eagles. I was hoping you wouldn't call my name because it's literally just who's highest on the big board, and I'm still trying to figure it out.

Starting point is 00:47:19 We'll kick it to VR. VR's got thoughts here. Good, good. Oh, yeah, Skronsky here for me. It just makes a ton of sense. I think the only way – like, Eagles O-line, been on it for months, where the – like, unless the Bichon falls, I guess, or Jalen falls, would be the only two scenarios, or Skronsky going – not even making it here.

Starting point is 00:47:44 But they got two offensive linemen in Kelsey and Lane Johnson who will probably be at the twilight of the year is probably like one to two years left. They do need a guard. You bring Skronsky in, you throw him at guard. When Lane Johnson retires, let's just say, you move him over. It just makes so much sense. He is the best offensive lineman in his class. The only reason people are knocking him because his arms aren't long enough um and yeah i don't even know

Starting point is 00:48:11 if scrunchie's gonna get here he's he's light i mean he is light that's why they're knocking him light like weight yeah oh yeah for nfl tackle 314 is pretty small okay well compared to the rest of these guys? Yeah. I would say the arm length is like the top narrative that you hear about him in terms of not being a tackle. And I guess his weight too, which is fair. But I just think the Eagles O-line is, and with Scroncy, it just makes too much sense if Bijan and Jalen are off the board.

Starting point is 00:48:41 I guess they can think about Christian Gonzalez, or he already went, didn't he? Yeah, he did. Yeah, we put him to the Raiders. Yeah. So I think O-line Skronsky makes a ton of sense for me. Yeah, I don't hate it. My only pushback to that would be similar to what Scott did earlier when we were talking about later picks to like there are some tackles that will probably be available to them when they pick again at 30 or some guards looking for a guard in the short term there will be some guards i think that could be available in that range as well just as a matter of if they've identified another position because i do think that that's something they'll want to address with some of this early capital so

Starting point is 00:49:17 i'm good there with skronsky um shout out to the chat um quentin johnson thing this is pffs rankings these are not my rankings. I know Quentin Johnson is going to be hanging out for us here for a while in terms of him showing up as one of the next guys on the board. He'll get drafted. He'll get drafted, but he's – We'll get there eventually. We'll get there. But yeah, it's funny that he's there.

Starting point is 00:49:38 So I'm going to go – This is a take that I lean on VR's sourced information. I think it's fine. Shout out to Main west's finest here uh peter skronsky going 10 to the what does uh what does scott think about that i want to hear his opinion yeah i'm actually like lock and step with this um just the same thought process that you've had is what i've heard. When you start listening and looking at multiple different reports on Skowronski, it's that he is the most finished product, most NFL ready of the offensive lineman that you have here. You have the kickback on his arm length and things of that nature. And he may not have the ceiling that some of the other tackles have, but as far as like

Starting point is 00:50:21 plugging him in and ready to play, and then you look at where the Eagles have faltered, you know, with Lane Johnson being injured and whatnot whatnot i think this is the pick that's gonna basically help them be one of the teams that can be more steady down the down the line towards the end of the seasons and not have to be so concerned about lane johnson being hurt i've heard some pushback i've i've heard some pushback too on the arm length thing in terms of offensive linemen where i think it more is in like that threshold has dropped a handful of times over the last couple of years. I think it's more in play. Typically, you see in terms of like edge rushers or defensive linemen.

Starting point is 00:50:54 Obviously, you don't want like a full on T-Rex here, but like you want it's more like footwork is going to be, I think, more important to teams, especially in this instance where Skowronski is like just over somewhat of an arbitrary threshold in this instance where Skowronski is just over somewhat of an arbitrary threshold in terms of what the arm length thing is. So the footwork is kind of through the roof. And footwork and hands, I think, end up being a lot more important in terms of more of a football take there. What do you got, Diggle?

Starting point is 00:51:19 He did play all five positions at Northwestern too. So like VR was saying, even if he's not viewed as the short-term replacement for Lane Johnson, just to mix in, they will likely try to find a spot on the interior line to start him. So I think he's a day one starter. Yeah, I was just playing devil's advocate. He could even be like a center in the future

Starting point is 00:51:38 where I think he's a Duke Mayweather, which is like probably like one of the higher regarded offensive line. Like I think he has like an O-line school that it's like regarded like one of the higher regarded offensive line like i think he has like an o-line school uh that it's like regarded as one of the highest and he has been pumping scrotum i want to say for like the last two weeks uh and when he like when you can see him pumping a specific guy because i do know like his duke mayweather on twitter his opinion is like so highly regarded uh you could like his rankings are kind of like mcgill's but for like offensive line um and he's been pumping skronsky all right so we are at 11 this is a spot

Starting point is 00:52:11 where we think we've kind of had the end of the anthony richardson slide here connor um what are your thoughts or any pushback on finding a home for richardson here at 11 no i think richardson's the pick here if he falls i think there's a chance that they trade up. They're a natural trade partner with the Cardinals. I think that they had already sent out an offer to the Cardinals previously. It just wasn't enough for them to pull the trigger right away. And they give it all the uncertainty at one and two that we've seen

Starting point is 00:52:35 the last few weeks. It makes sense for them not to move. I still think they're alive to move up to three, four guy like Richardson or Stroud potentially depending on how the board shakes out. But yeah, I mean, they need other stuff like if

Starting point is 00:52:45 i was them i would not be picking anthony richardson they need everything else but in this instance and from what we've heard i think that they would go richardson it's got any pushback on uh on richardson here yeah no pushback on richardson here um the the one thing that i have heard recently over this last week from a source in n was that they are more likely to trade down and acquire more picks or even trade up into the first round and take Hendon Hooker than they are to move up to three to go ahead and take a quarterback there. So that's one thing that I have been hearing. But with the way the board falls here, Anthony Richardson to 11, I think you can lock it in. Yeah, it gets, again, more challenging to find a home for him too

Starting point is 00:53:26 after this doesn't happen. So we'll slot him in there. If Levis doesn't go two, Richardson's going probably top five. If Levis goes four, then this is when Richardson can make it, or Stroud can make it to 11. Literally, I think Richardson's future is based off the number two pick a hundred percent. Like he's not going to go at number two,

Starting point is 00:53:49 but basically where he gets drafted is based off of the Texans do it too. Yeah. And a little bit for, right. Cause I, I'm in the mindset, like I was on the wrong side of the boat, but I would have put,

Starting point is 00:53:58 I would have put him at four for the Colts and that based off of a little bit of what we've heard. So I feel pretty good. But if he doesn't go, if he doesn't go to that, he'll be passed over at four. Well, this wise,

Starting point is 00:54:10 but if Levis does go to, then he's got like a coin flip to go for, and then the bottom falls out. No, that's true. That's true. Yeah. Levis would get him.

Starting point is 00:54:18 We have a great poll here in our four, four discard discord. What is VR love most one draft props or two his vape pen i think that's a good uh good little poll that was started there so i don't know vr you want to you want to answer that equal equal uh we're 420 adjacent are we or are we just uh you know hitting the blueberry what do we do i don't even know what day it is right now like it's my guy all right uh back to the texans number their second pick number 12 overall uh a name we've talked about makes a lot of sense here scott i'd love to get your thoughts and you kind of look at where nolan smith's line is uh he's basically lined at 12 and a half under as like minus 250

Starting point is 00:55:03 something like something close to that uh we talked about earlier feels like a really good spot again you know you can say hey maybe they want to add uh an edge rusher because they didn't do that at two based off of what we did earlier or maybe you want to get a toy for your new quarterback as well considering that brandon cooks is gone uh you scott at 12 what do you think about the texans yeah i think when you go here and you start looking at we'll love us where we have him there at two. Actually, I just looked a little while ago. Nolan Smith's at 10.5 now is where his line's gotten moved to.

Starting point is 00:55:34 I have three players here that I would have under consideration, Nolan Smith, Lucas Van Ness, and then Jackson Smith and Jigba. I think those are kind of the three players that would be here, provided that they do take a quarterback there up top. And I'd probably lean Nolan Smith here in this pick right here, just based upon some of the information I've heard. I've actually heard that of all the prospects that we've gotten information on that Nolan Smith has had one of the cleanest interview processes as far as teams liking him and him coming off as a generally good guy that

Starting point is 00:56:06 they that teams can can really pull for him that they think he'll be a foundational piece and just a leader in the locker room so that's some of the information i've got on him and just you look at what he's able to do with the speed a lot of a lot of like analysis tend to think he's like a a lawrence taylor type you know the way he had the production one there at georgia but you know his size and speed and what he's been able to do throughout this pre-draft process i think puts him in this position and if you i mean like even at like the dude has the most charisma i've ever seen like he even like the glasses like everything about him like from the glasses to just his answers for everything.

Starting point is 00:56:47 And the only thing you need to see is when he ran that 40 at the combine and you see that clip that went viral of all of his teammates going nuts when they saw the 40 time. Like, that just tells you everything you need to know. He's got Riz. Like, his teammates still at Georgia went berserk as if they won like a hundred to one bet.

Starting point is 00:57:06 Um, yeah, I love that kid. I can confirm that four, three, nine 40 was also run on St. Elmo state. Cause I was at the table directly next to him that night.

Starting point is 00:57:16 W Riz car. Yeah. W Riz. No cap, bro. No cap. I'm lucky to have a 15 year old. Cause a couple of weeks ago,

Starting point is 00:57:24 I had no idea what that was. And then I had to press my son to figure out what that is. Any thoughts, Connor or anyone that wants to push back on, on Nolan Smith? The one thing that in that Jeremiah, that tweet that he had a couple of days ago, we're like,

Starting point is 00:57:40 actually, yeah, the tweet he had a couple of days ago, like the perfect fits for the Texans or whatever it was. And I think he had Stroud and then he had Van Ness, which you assumed that Van Ness would be like his selection for 12, which, of course, whenever Jeremiah says literally anything, you want to pay attention,

Starting point is 00:58:00 which I don't know if that was personal opinion or what, but I agree that that's the only thing I think about texting. I think zero line might've had Van Ness here too. But that was weeks ago. I'll throw out one galaxy brain. This is the hardest of galaxy brain all draft season. And I'm just saying if the Texans get a deal done with Trey Lance and the 49ers that involves the number 12 overall pick I think we're on the lookout for Quinton Johnson here

Starting point is 00:58:32 for the Niners simply given that they have one type of receiver they draft and although Quinton Johnson may be the biggest receiver in this class he also was top 10 and among power five receivers and yards after catch per reception last year power five receivers and yards after catch per reception last year. Also 7.7 yards after catch per reception in his career. He's actually not Julio Jones, although he's the size he's actually Brandon. Iuk just doesn't look like it.

Starting point is 00:58:56 He's very bad at contested catches. So that's all I'm saying. Like if we galaxy brain that, especially with Brandon Iuk's deal and him reportedly trying to be traded right now, that's where I come to at this stage. I would not like that. But would you rather have Levis and Nolan Smith or Anderson or Tyree?

Starting point is 00:59:15 And I don't even know who they'd take if they went D-line here. They'd probably trade back up really soon. But if you compare the two, you can have have levis who they have at the top or nolan smith or and let's just say tyree and jsn like i would take levis i don't think van ness or nolan is that far off from tyree in terms of it will be yeah because then you still have Davis Mills, right? Which supports Levis going to. Yeah. All right. No, Nolan Smith. So 12, I think, as of us doing a secondary mock draft, and maybe we could do that.

Starting point is 00:59:58 12, I think, is kind of where we start to get interesting. So I'll recap for listeners real quick. Bryce Young won overall to the Panthers. Will Levis, two to the Texans. We went with Tyree Wilson, three to the Cardinals. CJ Stroud, four to the Colts. Will Anderson falls down to Seattle at five. Devin Willerspoon, six to the Lions. Christian Gonzalez next to the Raiders at seven. Bijan finds his home in Atlanta. Jalen Carter all the way down to nine to Chicago. Peter Skowronski, 10 to the Eagles. Anthonyalen Carter all the way down to nine in Chicago. Peter Skowronski 10 to the Eagles. Anthony Richardson slides all the way down to the Titans at 11.

Starting point is 01:00:30 Nolan Smith at 12. Again, some of the early, early decisions around 2, 3, 4 starts to have a massive trickle-down effect all the way down, I think, to pick 12 a little bit further probably, but I think that's really where kind of is the line of demarcation in terms of the variance at the top and how it trickles down. From betting perspective, like Levis going to pushing everyone up. So like based off of our top 12, a lot of overs are hitting.

Starting point is 01:00:56 I think it would be like Gonzalez is under hit. Skronsky's under hit. Then you got Anderson's over hitting where he's like pushing everyone up that the lines really aren't someone like Anderson isn't factoring in, I guess, totally. But yeah, no good point for sure. All right. Benny markets will have the first position taken for the jets offensive

Starting point is 01:01:17 lines, like minus 300 or so. Scott feels like a layup. Don't believe this pick is going to be involved in anything. Aaron Rogers related, which is pending pick is going to be involved in anything Aaron Rodgers related, which is pending, but not to be sure yet. But as of now, we'll make this pick in terms of it being the Jets. What are your thoughts on the Jets selection and some of the offensive linemen, I think? Yeah, I tend to think it's definitely going to be offensive linemen.

Starting point is 01:01:43 There was a little bit of smoke throughout this process that they do like Nolan Smith a lot, should Nolan Smith fall. But the players that they've had the most access and most connections with, Broderick Jones and Parrish Johnson here. Darnell Wright's also another player that we haven't hit yet. So I think it could be any one of those three. Just looking through, and it looks like Broderick Jones has really been the player

Starting point is 01:02:05 that they've had the most meetings with of the big offensive linemen. So I think there's a spot here where he could definitely be the pick. VR, what do you think? You've obviously had some Paris Johnson Jr. steam in the last 48 hours or so. He's still here on the board at 13. What do you think the Jets like? Yeah, I mean, out of like the 40-ish mock drafts i track like 95 of them have them going all on here uh which i think the only way it's not all line or

Starting point is 01:02:33 is if i don't even know like jeremiah who is the lvp so far based off mock drafts because his last one was like two months ago um it has them going nolan smith but yeah paris johnson falling is something that like i don't think they might maybe they're expecting it but at least a lot of the mock drafts that we're seeing have him going way before that so i would agree broderick uh but you have to wonder who they have higher between paris where if you look at like big boards jeremiah mcshay and Bruggler have Paris. Like I think that he's ranked like 18 on their board. And then when you look at like the athletic consensus, he's in like the top 10.

Starting point is 01:03:15 And then Broderick is like two or three slots behind Paris. So it's not like they're that far off where they would just automatically go Paris over Broderick. So Broderick's fun. Yeah, it feels like the offensive line class was like 2019, 2018, was it, where it was like the four tackles that were all considered top 15 picks, and then basically the order was fluctuating so much on the week leading up to the draft. The last thing, Jeremiah's two interviews he has had this week was Schrager, and then he had one with Rosillo.

Starting point is 01:03:47 His confidence level from what I picked up in the context, it might have been his opinion, but he's discussed D-line both times. He did. But he defaulted to offensive line. But defaulting to offensive line from what I picked up in his context doesn't feel like it should be a minus 250 lock. I wouldn't go and weigh Jets' offensive line first position at that use whatsoever.

Starting point is 01:04:12 And he's the Jets' plug, as everyone knows. Dale, any thoughts here? Protecting Aaron Rodgers, who seems inevitable at this point, seems like a good move to make. Mekhi Becton's been really hard to trust the last couple of years. Again, we're getting early best shape of his life from him, which is we typically get that in late summer, but we'll be getting that in the late winter for Mekhi Becton.

Starting point is 01:04:34 But any thoughts on the Jets or breaking up this bunch of tackles? In my first mock, I simply went off of Darnell Wright's athleticism just to run a 4-7-40 at 6-5-3-33. That's reminiscent of the whole reason they drafted Mekhi Beckton for just being the most athletic offensive tackle in that class. So I lean still on Wright, but I also think this is where the dark horse is coming to play. This should be the first time you're hearing Roderick Jones and Anton Harrison's name is right here at 13. And McGill's offensive line piece yesterday was somewhat of a tough scene for Darnell,

Starting point is 01:05:16 which I think it's Jalen or Darnell at nine. But if Darnell doesn't go at nine, he might fall a bit. Where McGill's piece was basically like these anonymous scouts, quote-unquote, saying he just doesn't try, he doesn't live up to his potential, his work effort. It's all like the red flags that you just don't want to hear when you get this close to the draft. That could, at the same time, fall off on tackle. He's going to go in this range, but there's all kinds of things

Starting point is 01:05:41 that are like differentiators. He's going nine if Jalen is gone. Yeah. um you're telling me things that are like differentiators where he's going nine if jaylen is gone yeah there's the same guy the same guy who is sliding into a reporter's dm saying like he's talking shit about him and things like that and also his character it's like yeah like what a surprise you know like i couldn't have guessed that that you know that same guy doesn't try hard or whatever there's other issues i forgot it's obscene you know like i it was a disaster but yeah i would say i mean par mean, Paris Johnson still on the board here. I think that I would probably pick him. But otherwise, if he's not, I think Darnell Wright or, you know, I think any of the offensive linemen.

Starting point is 01:06:11 So Noonan or whoever, if you have a strong take, that's fine. But I think I think we go with the higher rated offensive lineman, which is Paris Johnson. Like I said, I just Broderick Jones has been the offensive lineman. It's been most connected there to to the Jets. But with the way our boards fall in, I would say go ahead and select Paris Johnson all right New England at 14 another team that has uh well first of all when you have drafted a quarterback just a couple years ago at basically the same position on the list of needs here at PFF the first thing they have listed is quarterback that's's not a great spot to be. I also feel like that's a little unfair to Mac Jones

Starting point is 01:06:47 based off of the obviously coaching situation and all the drama going on last year in New England and whatnot. But again, another team that's very hard to peg. Go back to the Cole Strange thing last year. They very much have their own board. It looks very different than most other teams. So they're very hard to pin down in terms of a need. It's not typically their thing anyway, but they do have a plethora of needs here as well. VR, any feel for new England. And again, the thing that we've talked about the last few weeks is some of what we heard

Starting point is 01:07:16 from our friend, Brett Coleman talking about the Zay Jones or Zay flowers. I'm sorry. Is the worst kept secret him being on the Patriots radar. I don't know if that's a trade back spot. This feels a little rich, but what are your thoughts on New England? It feels a little rich for me with Zay. And I think they've had meetings with Jackson as well, which like, I think they're,

Starting point is 01:07:40 I just don't think they should be allowed to draft wide receivers. Like their privileges on drafting wide receivers have been removed. But if Gonzalez falls, he's auto here i think it's too rich for zay jackson makes a lot of sense i suppose um where like the amount of times i've looked at the patriots like first position odds and just wanted to like blindly bet the three that have the highest odds because no one has a clue like i don't i think there's worse bets than that. I would probably default to JSN here. If he doesn't go here, I think he might go at 15.

Starting point is 01:08:16 I think they've had meetings with JSN, and you've got the Boston College connections, and being in Massachusetts, it's probably a lot easier to meet with someone that lives in Boston multiple times than someone that lives in Boston multiple times than someone that lives in Ohio but uh yeah I would probably go Jason here um if Gonzalez is gone and one of the top tackles has gone or Broderick um yeah yeah I mean they signed Riley Reif it's a one-year deal uh they don't have outside of you know starting next year they don't have a tackle in terms of you know like a set player that's a tackle because you know they love swing guys that they can move from guard out to tackle and back and forth they don't really have a tackle on the roster uh next year take a look at your thoughts on new england here at 14

Starting point is 01:08:53 i still believe it is a flowers the number one wide receiver on their board but if they do not feel it necessary to take a wide receiver just yet i think they just go back to their natural tendency although they've only drafted one cornerback in the first round in the last 16 years, I think it is. And that was Devin McCourty, a Hall of Famer. I still think they are leaning likely offensive line or cornerback. In this case, I'll go to a two-way cornerback and either Deontay Banks or not Emmanuel

Starting point is 01:09:23 Forbes. Yes, Porter. Yes, Porter. Yes, Porter. Because both played on punt returns. Porter played on punt return coverage for four seasons in college. Banks only entered special teams in his last year,

Starting point is 01:09:36 but he still has the experience. So that's just kind of the way I lean with their coaching staff. Connor, any thoughts on New England? I had Zay in my latest mock, but it's definitely something I don't feel good about. I just personally don't feel good about anything, honestly, on New England? I had Zay in my latest mock, but it's definitely something I don't feel good about. I just personally don't feel good about anything, honestly, with New England.

Starting point is 01:09:48 It feels like, I don't know, have we ever had the pick for New England, right? Like ever? Has one person ever been like, oh, I'm confident they're going to pick this position? Even the position-wise. I don't think I've never, there's been no plugged in. We have that for the Texans.

Starting point is 01:10:00 We have that for the Jets, Cardinals. We have a guy who's like, oh, they're always at least nailing the position. Never had it for the Patriots. So for me, it's just, Cardinals. You know, we have a guy like, oh, they're always at least nailing the position. Never had it for the Patriots. So for me, it's just like a toss-up. I would just vote we can do whatever, but I would lean Zay or an offensive lineman. Yeah, I kind of lean Darnold right based on the way our board has gone because I feel like they – again, think about some of the traits

Starting point is 01:10:19 or the things that we know New England does. They like versatility. They like guys that can be pliable in terms of needs. You got a guy that can play left tackle, that can play right tackle. Let's play a little bit of guard. Played it in the SEC. I just, I feel like that's a play for them. And again, I think the Riley Reif thing is not super exciting.

Starting point is 01:10:40 Orlando Brown, they kind of need some help there outside of him. So this is the problem is that we've all landed on different spots and like you could like you can't assume this but like for a lot of the guys in the top 13 that we just drafted like the Patriots are like the backstop for them like if Gonzalez falls he's going there Skowronski falls he's going there Jason technically might be falling, could go there. So this is kind of like, if people are falling, this is as far as they can probably go in terms of like the top 13 guys, I guess you could say. Yeah, but this year's Mike Reese is going to say that Darnell Wright has like one bad game and then he's going to slide into Mike Reese's DMs and start, you know, trying to fight with them. And then he's going to end up getting dropped by

Starting point is 01:11:22 the Patriots. So, I mean, I would not actually, but I would lean towards like Broderick Jones or like, you know, someone a little bit, I don't know. I mean, branches, I don't know. I lean towards the pick that makes the least sense in Zay flower. So that's, that's what I'm doing. That's fair. That's fair. We didn't get Scott's noon in Christ. I would tend to lean either Broderick Jones or Jackson Smith and Jigba. They've had private meetings with meetings with both of those guys.

Starting point is 01:11:48 They've really, when you include, say, Flowers, Jordan Addison, and some of the other wide receivers, they've met heavily with wide receiver across the board. But then you can even start looking at some of the defensive ends and Miles Murphy and Lucas Van Ness. Like I said, I think when you start looking at things, nobody had Cole strange in the first round of any mock drafts that i saw last year and that was their pick so like you know it's a prime

Starting point is 01:12:11 spot for them to trade back pick up extra picks um if they stay at the pick i think they have to pick the uh the best player off the board and i think that would be jackson smith and jigba right here if not i would lean Broderick Jones. All right, so I lean Broderick Jones. I'm going to give it to JSN because there are multiple votes for him and no one else got multiple votes. So JSN would surprise me, if I'm being honest. But again, every time the Patriots even make a pick, I'm surprised. Sorry, I thought VR was coming in with a thought there.

Starting point is 01:12:43 Oh, no. All right. Packers. Live is all All right. Packers. Live is all it was. Packers at 15, another team that could go a lot of ways, another spot that JSN has been discussed. Solid offensive line, but they could use some edge rushers. They definitely have a type in terms of guys that they like to bring in.

Starting point is 01:13:01 Scott, any nuggets on the Packers in terms of visits, or what are your thoughts here on Green Bay? Yeah think when you start looking at green bay they're definitely a traits-based team in the way that they draft um the two players that i have a feeling that have the most fit here would be jackson smith and jigba but they they've always tended to draft you know wide receiver and in the second round it would be great to see them like go ahead and trade rogers and then be like a big fu to rogers hey we're taking a wide receiver to give Jordan Love some help. But I've been told that this is a spot for Lucas Van Ness, that this may be his bottom.

Starting point is 01:13:34 He fits what they typically draft, and I've been told that if he gets to this position, he'll be the pick. He looks like a Packer. Big Iowa, big white, corn-fed edge rusher. Connor, what are your thoughts on the Packers or the Van Ness thoughts? Because that was a pretty strong take from Scott. I had him there in my latest mock as well. So definitely I'm willing to lock it in there with Scott for sure.

Starting point is 01:14:00 What's his over-under right now? VR is like 18 or something like that? Van Ness, 12.5. 12.5? It was like 10.5 this morning, and finally it moved to 12.5, but the over is still unbettable. I just have not even been paying attention to half these over-unders because there's like one place you can bet on them like half the time,

Starting point is 01:14:18 so it's like not even worth our time. I can confirm they'll let you get $7.50 down on it. Seas is a little bit better. Seas is typically what lets you get $7 and 50 cents down on it. So season's a little bit better. See, this is typically a little, let you get down a little bit. I, I,

Starting point is 01:14:31 I do agree. Then I was like, this is like the first spot that a tight end could go, but like everything, like the red flag, it feels like there's a red flag coming out of the tight ends every day. Um, yeah, I agree.

Starting point is 01:14:43 Yeah. We can go Van Ness here. Uh, I, I have the six guys written down who fit their thresholds with first round projections and in order it is jackson smith and jigba lucas van ness darnell right michael mayor nolan smith and broderick jones so if your mock does not include one of those six guys you are wrong here's the problem they're almost all available right oh no i'm not i'm not saying i'm just saying you better pick one of those six guys you are wrong here's the problem they're almost all available right oh i'm not i'm not saying i'm just saying yeah you better pick one of those six i'm not saying which one i have no idea no clue yeah no you're you're you're right i think that those are the

Starting point is 01:15:13 six threshold guys right there yeah rashaun gary's getting up there in age had some injury issues they don't have a lot of uh young edge rusher depth on the roster so uh don't hate that uh that pick whatsoever whatsoever we're definitely in michael mayer watch at starting at 15 i agree i agree scott i'm gonna go back to you here 16 uh this is your squad the commanders you've been plugged in here and uh have some thoughts on the commanders what do you got so yeah they've had multiple visits with uh joey porter but they've also had multiple visits with Darnell Wright. I think they desperately need a primary cornerback there that secondary has struggled for years. I think that they would come to a position where it would be hard for them to pass up on Joey Porter.

Starting point is 01:16:00 But here recently over the last week, I've actually heard that they may have a higher grade on Deontay Banks. So I think both of those guys would be in play. Ultimately, I think a lot of people, and we talked about Darnell Wright, has fallen throughout our mock draft. And when you look upon that offensive line, they've made some plays in free agency. They're going to go ahead and be moving and shuffling that offensive line around with Wiley and then like some of the other players moving into guard. I just think they don't have a premier player along that offensive line. We talked a little bit about Bijan Robinson possibly being in play for this as being a smoke team, smoke screen. But look, that team wants to run the ball. That's what they want to do. They have a second-year quarterback,

Starting point is 01:16:46 and they're going to be trying to figure out what they're going to do on offense. And I think if they want to run the ball and they want to go ahead and give their quarterbacks as much possibility of being able to stand upright in that pocket throughout the year, I think this is a spot where I could see Darnell Wright going. All right, Dagle, any thoughts on the commanders? At the beginning of the show, Astronaut mentioned, imagine being confident about this draft.

Starting point is 01:17:11 And he wasn't talking to any of us directly, but I will say that my job is literally to have educated opinions, although sometimes they come from different directions, sometimes hard stances, sometimes just laughing. But yeah, I do the research and I have opinions, but there are three people who make me stop down anytime because i respect their work especially during draft season so much one is ben standing of washington one is scott smith and the other is evan silva

Starting point is 01:17:37 pre-2023 so honestly when scott smith discusses knowing who he believes Washington will take. I stop and listen. So I have Broderick Jones, but if Scott's telling me don't know right over Broderick Jones, I'm absolutely listening. The funny thing is I'll be on a Monday on a show. That was run with both of those other two guys. They're both my best friends.

Starting point is 01:17:59 It's okay. He knows I'm kidding. It's no big deal. Scott, did you know the Cubs are 11-7? Silva will tell you. Those are the texts we get right now. Season ticket holder will tell you. Look, I just can't wait to get on that show for the Michael Mayer slander on Monday.

Starting point is 01:18:15 That's so good. Literally, while we're live on show, Silva, old enough to remember when the Cubs were the top five team in baseball, long live the Ricketts. Yeah, we all got that text right there. Right on cue. Yeah. Previous version, he'd probably be on

Starting point is 01:18:31 the show, but he's got more important things to do, like sweating April baseball. So we'll go Darnell Wright again with the conviction. Thanks to Scott. I think a sigh of relief a little bit from VR with not not landing joey porter jr uh there to the commanders is kind of i think the dead spot there and i'll let you get started

Starting point is 01:18:51 uh vr with the pick to the uh the steelers yeah so i mean we got we have like the mock drafters that we all know we're like connected to teams like jeremiah to the jets zero line of the cardinals but then we also have mike tomlin, who like every single year, like we just know, like everyone knows who he's going to be drafting and they always take him. Where this year we don't really have as much of an idea, which kind of makes the whole trading up scenario where they like Gonzalez, I suppose, like seem more realistic because you don't know

Starting point is 01:19:23 who Tomlin's going to take by now. Like maybe the trade is actually going to be happening. But based off of their visits, I would probably go Anton here. I think they visited the favorites. Based off their visits, it should be Anton, Breesy, Ringo. Ringo just feels like a stealer to me, but that this would be too rich. Who knows? But Anton has been in the second round.

Starting point is 01:19:50 I want to say the last two months and the last week or two, like he's becoming more and more and more almost to like a certainty to go on the first round. And based off, we know about who Thomas met with and based that's like the blueprint on who he always takes. Anton here makes a lot of sense. I know Joey Porter has the connections.

Starting point is 01:20:10 They have a need at corner. I think Banks goes before Porter. So to me it would be either Anton or Banks. But after Anton, the fall off at tackle is steep. And I think you can wait on corner. So I'll just take the tackle, knowing I got one of the top end tackles and worry about corner in the second round.

Starting point is 01:20:33 Because they had the first pick in the second round as well. Yeah, that's a great point. They picked 32. So they're at the top of the board there. And it looks like they'll probably be able to address both. But I kind of agree with you. I do think it's probably easier to address corner there than it will be to address um at least an offensive tackle scott you've had some nuggets recently or at least have had some teams uh discussing

Starting point is 01:20:53 kind of where they are ranking uh these remaining cornerbacks and maybe some having a preference that's been a little bit off the board in comparison to where the market's been forbes yeah forbes is the other one that's up there. Actually, look, being projected and having a lot of connections there with the next team in Detroit. But the one other pushback on this pick here at Pittsburgh, we still have Broderick Jones on the board. Oh, I forgot about that.

Starting point is 01:21:18 Yeah, Broderick Jones is a player that they've met with just as much as Anton Harrison. So, like, for me, this pick here would be clearly Broderick Jones. I just think he's going to be rated higher on a lot of boards. And I think it's going to be imperative for Pittsburgh, if they want to go ahead and take that next step and develop their quarterback, to go ahead and get him protected. So I think a tackle here is going to make the most sense.

Starting point is 01:21:41 You know, there's a possibility it could lean Anton Harrison, but I think Broderick Jones is the pick. No is a pick no i totally forgot about broderick uh dougal any thoughts on that broderick i have ranked higher uh anton certainly in the conversation here makes sense but i think we for the sake of this practice go ahead and put broderick in yeah connor any additions to cut me off nope totally agree and uh but I do think to your point, if the offensive lineman get pushed up, I think this is like the start of Anton's range, kind of like in this area.

Starting point is 01:22:10 So if, if it does, if the board does play out like that, I think that we're starting to see him probably go in this area at noon. And I know you bet on him to go to the first round pretty early on. Those, the prices are getting blasted, but we'll see what,

Starting point is 01:22:22 you know, is dropped here in the coming days. So you never, and remember, we haven't even got started yet. Like Osiris Torrance is favored to go in the first round. Matthew Bergeron got a nod from Daniel Jeremiah as a first round player. Like night one is the night of offensive linemen.

Starting point is 01:22:37 So if like five and a half or whatever bad number still out there, it's probably juiced heavily and you could probably only get $7 and 50 cents down on it, but it's like the right pick because we're getting like seven offensive linemen on night one at least yeah juan jones is another one that's on the border there which of course yeah yeah so yeah you 750 you went enough to buy yourself a uh red bull nothing in chicago yeah yeah parking for uh an hour so uh all right for, for the sake of this, we will slide the offensive lineman, Roderick Jones, in there. Now we are back to the Lions with their second pick.

Starting point is 01:23:12 I think they can go a lot of different ways here. And, Connor, I'll start with you. What do you think about the Lions at 18? Yeah, we had them going Witherspoon. I think if they don't go corner in the first, they're almost certainly going corner with 18. And I think they would probably be in this spot, it would be banks, Emmanuel Forbes. But in this mock, we have them going corner first.

Starting point is 01:23:30 So I think a guy like Kalijah can't, he makes a lot of sense of defensive tackle potentially for them. I mean, they could really go anywhere. I think like they could, they could be a team that would be interested in maybe a tight end, Michael Mayer, Dalton, Kikade, you know, obviously I think you're both in play personally. I had can't see, but I think I'm kind of open.

Starting point is 01:23:45 But that's kind of like the grouping that I would have there. Yeah. VR, any thoughts here on second pick for the Lions? Yeah, I mean, if they go Witherspoon at six, then the Lions definitely in play. Maybe even tight end. And if they go someone like Jalen Carter at six, then someone like Deontay Banks is in play here or Dre Porter. I think Kansi makes a lot of sense. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:24:13 Kansi's tough for me if I can interrupt you. Cause I hear, I've heard both. Kansi's a guy that I've heard is both like people think he's going to go higher than you think. And then some people are like, no, he's not going to go.

Starting point is 01:24:23 He's going to go lower. He's just too undersized. And that just there's there's you need a very specific style coach system for a guy uh that undersized at the position even though he's you know electric for what he's been able to produce scott any thoughts on cancer or any thoughts on the lions here at uh at 18 yeah can't see the player that that is just polarizing from the fact that you just said. You have analysts and people that are very high on him. I think there's some nostalgia there when you start kind of considering a certain former Pittsburgh defensive tackle who's been kind of the best player in the league for the last few years.

Starting point is 01:24:57 But I'm struggling right now where I'm going to place Cancy, like here in my final mock draft that comes up at the end of the week, but here, the way the board has fallen out, you know, and a player that's, that's, you know, rising up the board. And I think would make a lot of sense here is miles Murphy. There is an edge his over and under right now is sitting at 18 and a half. We're here at pick 18. If, if defensive end with Tyree Wilson and you know, Will Anderson on the edge edge they are in play at

Starting point is 01:25:28 six but they go cornerback at six instead I think you know edge is definitely going to be a position that would be here and I think Myles Murphy's a guy that you know has been mentioned as high up as like you know the 10-12 range I think it'd be hard for Detroit to pass on a player like that here at 18. Yeah, I agree. Yeah. Is there a board that I'm not a part of that, like who's still available that I have no idea exists? Because Miles Murphy, 100%, right here. Like if they go corner, Miles Murphy.

Starting point is 01:25:56 No, unfortunately, I'm in it with – Yeah, Scott's just sharp. What this scroll allows me to do. You're good. If they are tantalized and go quarterback at six, I have them taking a cornerback here. But yes, for the sake of this practice, I think in this case,

Starting point is 01:26:11 they're getting their interior rush or pass rush in general. And there is no master doc VR. What are you reluctant to do? Oh, go ahead. What are you reluctant about? Edge rusher to the Lions. They added three last year in the draft i think they

Starting point is 01:26:26 like all of them um i just do you think using another early asset on edge i think is it's not like you could have too many obviously we see the lions or the uh you know the eagles successfully rotate them in and out but it's uh it just seems he's an ascending prospect. I think he went out and crushed basically all of his drills and RAS scores through the roof. I get the player being slotted here. I feel like it's just not necessarily a spot that they...

Starting point is 01:26:57 I feel like an interior lineman makes a lot more sense. Again, it doesn't mean they should be drafting for need at all. That's my only issue with slotting. I think Breesy is live too here. I think this is the one spot that brucey could go that brings like that doesn't push him back to like the late first um like if he doesn't go here he's probably going to go in like the late 20s or second round um which is like entirely dependent yeah all right for the process we'll go miles murphy uh some consensus there and again it's a guy that i definitely should think should be going in this range you know closer here that

Starting point is 01:27:30 probably not sliding past 20 and we've seen that over under move quite a bit the uh bucks are up here in 19 another team very very tough to pinpoint because they have a plethora of needs uh no real assurance on what they do feels like offensive line would make a lot of sense but again we're kind of running out of bodies but maybe this is a spot where we can go back to the antoine well connor any thoughts on uh on the bucks i don't want to guide your selection do anything you'd like sorry my thing wasn't muting there properly uh i would go with banks here i think that he's been kind of a buzzy pick here but i think it it uh dionte banks could be an interesting selection for them just tested really well at the combine been you know flying up draft boards um and it's kind of been

Starting point is 01:28:09 one of the more commonly mocked spots i think this is kind of like not the start of his range but like a honestly i think a pretty meaty select like part of his range like right in 19 i know vr considered playing the under uh i don't know maybe for a couple other reasons as well. Yeah, this is definitely on Banks. Yeah. I wouldn't have gone corner here. I mean, Banks is – this is prime Banks territory. But, like, every, like, Bucks beat writer or, like, Easterling, he's a Bucks – or he was a Bucks beat writer,

Starting point is 01:28:42 has – who's kind of, like, faded from, like – I want to say, like, two months ago, like, Branch was a Bucs beat writer. Who's kind of faded from, I want to say two months ago, Branch was a very popular pick. And I am still seeing Branch to the Bucs as somewhat of a no-brainer in the context of the Bucs beat writers. I think Branch is live here. Anton, he's the last first-round talent tackle. I think Anton, offensive line, should be probably the favorite in terms of positional odds. I think Anton offensive line should be probably the favorite in terms of positional odds.

Starting point is 01:29:07 I don't hate Banks. I mean, I don't think this is a prime spot for him. But Anton being like the last tackle, like I'm kind of just sliding Anton or Broderick, not Broderick, Anton or Darnell because they're the most common guys to get in here at 19 if it's not Branch for me.

Starting point is 01:29:24 Yeah, I mean mean this is maybe the top jd of where i know sirens taurus can can you know start to go as well maybe a little bit early as well and you know guard a little bit harder to swallow than tackle but uh what are your thoughts on the box they can go a lot of ways many ways that's why it's so hard they need help though on their offensive line on the interior especially at the Shaq Mason trade much more so than tackle so that's the only reason I don't personally pin a Broderick Jones or anyone there that's why I lean Osiris Torrance who again is favored to go in the first round um but yeah if it was any other position even tight end it would not shock me at all this team has needs everywhere

Starting point is 01:30:00 they're going to compete with the Titans for the worst roster in the NFL and thus eventually getting Caleb Williams next offseason. So I don't know. Take your pick. Figure out their big board. I feel like teams in this state who are kind of like – their future is like drafting a quarterback in the future. You see them taking foundational pieces for that quarterback called the future,

Starting point is 01:30:28 like an offensive lineman, which is another reason I think offensive line is in play. Didn't they lose their tackle? What's his name? Yeah, Shaq Mason went to the Texans. Yeah. I thought they lost someone else. But, yeah, I'm good with that. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:30:41 I could probably pull up something right now. Don't look at their depth chart. Their current starting lineup is disgusting. Their current starting offensive line, outside of Tristan Wirfs, is a complete disaster. If they trade one of Mike Evans or Chris Godwin, Evans is being loomed larger, the

Starting point is 01:30:58 rumor mill, then this offense depth chart looks similar to Arizona's defensive depth chart. It's literally just trash. We're going to give him a Anton Harrison, even though I kind of agree with Degla. I do think guards more of a need. They have holes everywhere and they can do anything to take the better position.

Starting point is 01:31:17 Guy started as a absolute as a freshman in the big 12 at left tackle. And I think allowed one pressure in all of his 400 plus drop back passing snaps last year has been a pretty, pretty talented kid. So I like that. He's sending up the board. I will say this about Tampa Bay, Tampa Bay has held more meetings and met with more players than any other team here in NFL this year. But this is also a team that heavily drafts off of,

Starting point is 01:31:42 off of players that they've, they've had, you know, official meetings with, whether it be at the Combine, a Top 30 visit, or a Pro Day. This is a team, when you start looking off of their list, start targeting and looking at some of the players that they've had meetings with, and Anton Harrison falls into that category there. They lost Donovan Smith. Yeah, they did lose the tackle.

Starting point is 01:32:01 Thank you, Kenny Pope. Is that who you said? I was Googling that. Thanks, Kenny. Or Kenny Pops. Yeah. We're back to the. Thank you, Kenny Pope. Is that who said? I was Googling it. Thanks, Kenny. Or Kenny Pops. Yeah. We're back to the Seahawks at 20. We gave them Will Anderson the first time around to pick five.

Starting point is 01:32:12 This time it was mute. Fair question. And I'll start with you, Dago. What are your thoughts on Seahawks pick 20? It depends, like a lot of these teams, what they do with their first pick. And so who did we have for the seahawks at five in this draft will anderson so they can't go edge here thus i think their next needs are wide receiver uh they're not doing a quarterback after the big four yeah so i guess i just have wide receiver

Starting point is 01:32:41 i don't know scott i had to kick it to you. I haven't even toyed around with outside of an edge at 20 for Seattle, honestly. Yeah. I think a defensive back is, is in play here. I think you can see a guy like Brian branch or Deontay banks, or even, you know, reporter junior. I think all three of those are in play.

Starting point is 01:33:00 I tend to lean a little bit more towards the wide receiver with a flowers possibly being the pick. So that's that's more of the range that I'm looking. I think some of the players that would have to fall to them to really consider edge would be like a Lucas Van Ness and Nolan Smith, like Miles Murphy. You know, some of those guys. But, you know, with the way the board is, I think we're looking at either wide receiver or cornerback here. Connor, any thoughts on a corner in terms of, I guess the Seahawks in terms of a receiver there, a preference with, you know, say Flowers, Jordan, Addison, anything like that?

Starting point is 01:33:33 Yeah, I put corner in my last mock, but just because they did so well drafting corners, I kind of later in the draft kind of gives me hesitance that like maybe they think they don't necessarily need to go with a corner here in the first round. Like, I don't know. I kind of been wavering on it a little bit. So I'm fine with the corner here in the first round. Like, I don't know. I kind of have been wavering on it a little bit. So I'm fine with the receiver here if you guys want.

Starting point is 01:33:49 I had Joey Porter Jr. there. I think both he and Banks are, I don't know, not maybe slightly overdue, but I think this is like a good spot for them as well. So, yeah, I would probably put one of them, but kind of fine with whatever. I think Will McDonald is alive here if they don't go edge at five um but i also think like torrence is live as well interior offensive lineman um which isn't like a glaring need but this is his range they do need help there i think torrence is live i think one of the corners is live i think one of those wide receivers is live um it really is like so dependent on because there's going to be like

Starting point is 01:34:30 this is a great spot for edge rushers too i mean it's going to be dependent on whether they get tyree or anderson or go quarterback um if if it is cornerback i will say remember seattle has historically prioritized length and joey porter Jr. literally has the fifth highest wingspan in the last two decades among all cornerbacks. And those guys would be considered falling. Joey Porter's range is probably the 15, 16. So you would assume if Porter's in the 20s, that might be a guy that they would consider themselves lucky to have

Starting point is 01:35:04 at the top of their board relative to the guys we have now. 34 inch arm length to be exact. He's a praying mantis. Yeah, it's a good sell on Joey Porter Jr. We'll make him the selection here to keep the train rolling. Connor's Dolphins don't get a pick because they cheated. We'll move on to the Chargers at 21 uh they have a a number of needs this is a team that's been uh we talked about the connection with jordan addison's former uh wide receiver coach chris beattie who was with

Starting point is 01:35:37 him at pittsburgh is now on the staff of the chargers that makes a lot of sense and again um you know i've talked about it here on the show last week, Scott poked a hole in, in, in terms of, you know, team visits, they have not met with a lot of defensive backs,

Starting point is 01:35:50 but it is a team need do feel that you kind of get that validated for some other smart people a little bit yesterday. Again, this year, Adderley retired 24 year olds safety retired kind of out of nowhere. And Bryce Callahan, their slot receiver or slot corner. I'm sorry.

Starting point is 01:36:09 Also not coming back due to free agency jc jackson they gave a ton of money last year in free agency sucked when he played and then got hurt a bunch so i definitely feel like corners within the range of outcomes for them but i do think it comes down to either being honest about wanting to add uh speed there vr is there anyone here do you think it's receiver that could kind of trump them needing to add anything to the secondary? The connections with Addison are just too strong to ignore. It just seems like he's kind of – he's one of the consensus picks in the mock drafts that you read at this point to the Chargers

Starting point is 01:36:42 that just make too much sense if he's there. But I think Kans see his live here if kincaid didn't have the red flags i might go that direction as well um but i like addison's kind of just it just makes too much sense with addison yeah uh connor where are you at here yeah i think i had I had it as – I had it at Kincaid, but I think that you could go Kincaid, Addison. I thought you penciled in Brian Branch potentially, I believe, correct? I think all those options make sense in this spot. So I think any of those three guys would make a ton of sense. Maybe Michael Mayer over Donald Kincaid.

Starting point is 01:37:19 I mean, maybe they want a guy who can do it all a little bit more, but I would think one of those three guys. What do you got, JD? Unless you want to sell me on DB, I think it just makes too much sense with Jordan Addison. Too much sense. Yeah, I mean, my DB sell is just they don't have... Plus odds.

Starting point is 01:37:36 They don't have a slot. They don't have a second safety next to Durin James because they're young safety retired to pursue other things. And then, you know, their big money free agent last year was a problem. Otherwise, like this team has pretty much a turnkey starters on both sides of the ball. Now, Scott poked a hole in it last week by saying they haven't met with anyone

Starting point is 01:37:58 at the defensive back position. And I think that that's fair too. I do think there are teams, some teams that I don't know what the chargers where they fall on the spectrum in terms of we pick off of our meeting list or, you know, it's not necessarily that cut and dry, but I don't disagree with you that the Jordan Addison thing makes a ton of sense. It's a very easy line to draw. Scott, what are your thoughts on the Chargers? You know, the Chargers aren't necessarily a team that, that, you know, sticks specifically to drafting off of the players that they they've met with but you know my main pushback is just from a logical standpoint that this isn't a deep wide receiver draft um you know we're talking about and poking holes and the guys

Starting point is 01:38:32 that are going here in the first and i just think when you read the tea leaves there's too many connections with jordan addison going there and then you know i this they do have a deeper secondary you know talent here in this draft so i think they're going to go and add a pass catcher and continue to build around Justin Herbert. Whereas, you know, they can go ahead and address some of those other positions there in the second and third. Kenny pops asks about Jalen Hyatt in the chat. And I'll just say,

Starting point is 01:38:58 I wrote up 50 players for our night one draft tracker blurbs, and I did not write up Jalen Hyatt. So I not kenny i absolutely hope he's not a first round player because that jen is going to be scrambling last second uh i will say this in in relation to jaylen hyatt my model and it's based upon both player evaluations and some of the top you know mock dra has Jalen Hyatt sitting at around pick 33. So 33.8. Okay. I may have to go back here and write one more. Got it. Took us about 50 minutes to get through the first 10 picks. We have about 10 more to go. So we'll be pushing three hours.

Starting point is 01:39:37 Hope no one has anything to do. We're onto the Ravens at 22. I think the Ravens probably trade this pick, but we're going to pretend they're going to make the pick here. Cause we're not messing around with that. They only have five selections and it's just not typically how they've built their roster. They take some swings and have had a lot of success wide receivers in need edge rushers in need. Cornerback is a need as well.

Starting point is 01:39:58 VR, what are your thoughts on what the Ravens do here at 22? So I think if like, if Joy Porter gets here here i think that's run to the just run the card out um receivers need like i think banks is also like he's technically kind of falling at this point um where them signing odell doesn't mean they don't need a receiver anymore like i think he just got like some type of charges against them i saw saw somewhere where one of the receivers, I hope it's not Zay, but with Joey off the board, like I would probably like pinpoint Banks at this point.

Starting point is 01:40:34 If Banks isn't going now, he's probably going to go to the very next pick. But at the same time, like trading back, no idea what D linemen are still left, but like I would probably go with Banks, but that's the bias towards my Zay Flowers bet for what it's worth. No idea what D linemen are still left, but I would probably go with Banks, but that's the bias towards my Zay Flowers bet for what it's worth.

Starting point is 01:40:50 Like interior linemen? So, Kalijah Cansey is still here. Brian Brisey, if we can look at how to bring in a defensive interior. Yeah, that's kind of where we're at. So, pretty much only, yeah, Cansey. Per usual, Ravens just take the best player available. That's what happens every draft. They just get the best one.

Starting point is 01:41:09 So where are we going? I would have it as Banks at this point, probably. I would agree. I think Banks across from Marlon Humphrey makes a lot of sense. Yeah. I think the Vikings, again, are another prime team to trade back if they can. They do not have a lot of draft picks, but they do need wide receiver with Adam Thielen moving on and not having really anything next to JJ there. I'll get it started with you, Dagle.

Starting point is 01:41:33 What are your thoughts on the Vikings if they stay home and pick at 23? To me, it's either cornerback or wide receiver. And I would think it's Deontay Banks if he's there. But in this case, I think this is where we probably start seeing Emmanuel Forbes being mentioned, who is, I believe, will be a first-round player. I'm pretty confident about that. I will drop Cam Smith out of my first round right now.

Starting point is 01:41:56 It could change over the weekend because we'll get a lot of news. But that's where I stand right now. So, yeah, I guess I'm going to go – I'll go Emmanuel Forbes personally. Okay. VR, that's your guy and this works in minnesota since he plays half of his games indoors where he's not in jeopardy of blowing away in the winds um due to his very very very very slender frame um but is this the range where we start buddy the slender yes i totally agree small. I totally agree. I can see Forbes going ahead of the two other guys where, like I think if Banks, Porter, or Addison follow them, like they're just easy.

Starting point is 01:42:35 But if those three guys are off the board, or yeah, those three are off, then Forbes makes a ton of sense. Yeah. And by the way, if Forbes went man-on-man against Quentin Johnson, Forbes is winning that 10 out of 10 times. He has so much more dog than Johnson does. Forbes is shutting him down, dude. He plays 210.

Starting point is 01:42:57 He plays huge. Scott, where are you at here with the Vikings? Yeah, I think Forbes or Zay Flowers is definitely to pick. Forbes is a guy that hasn't been on a ton of mock drafts, but here he's been getting some steam lately. I think he's in play from 18 on. And even if you go back to one of Mel Kuyper's earlier mock drafts, he had Forbes projected there to Washington at 16. So he could even be in play there at 16 on down. So I think this is a good spot for him. I think he's a player that I don't know what the odds are right now, but I think you definitely have to go ahead and bet him being in first

Starting point is 01:43:26 round. Starting to capitulate a little bit. That was not a Forbes. The tape's actually good, but I mean, you get into like, you know, yeah,

Starting point is 01:43:34 but you get into like, you know, pick sixes and stuff like that. There's, is that dude getting involved in, you know, any sort of run support? He's just probably not.

Starting point is 01:43:43 And then again, that's not his job. We've had some great corners in the league that have not been very active in the run game. You know, any sort of run support. He's just probably not. And then again, that's not his job. We've had some great corners in the league that have not been very active in the run game. You know, that might try, but I don't know if he's going to survive. Yeah, that's, I'm sure the coaches are hoping he doesn't put his nose in anything there too.

Starting point is 01:43:55 It'd be hard for me to think that they pass on Zay Flowers here, but I'll go with Emmanuel Forbes for you guys. You think Joe Judge looks at pick sixes and thinks the same thing as you, that they're complete luck? No, not at all. I don, that they're complete luck. No, not at all.

Starting point is 01:44:06 Joe judge says, this is the best cornerback I've ever seen in my life. Yeah. Yeah. Well, we're going to, I'm going to give them to you. I,

Starting point is 01:44:12 again, I think that the drumbeat is, uh, I think both are fine. I say, I mean, yeah, yeah.

Starting point is 01:44:19 We'll go with Forbes here. We'll go with Forbes. Um, all right. I feel like we got decently sourced information where this could be the bottom of Brian Branch and where he falls at 24 to Jacksonville. Feel pretty good about that information. They can go a number of different ways, but again,

Starting point is 01:44:36 it's more all need based because they are, you know, an ascending roster. VR, any thoughts on Jacksonville? Yeah. Branch is becoming one of the more consensus picks of the jags and the mock drafts that you go through um where it seems like every single mock draft you look at has branched there which surprise surprises over under is 24 and a half um but i would say branch or torrence are probably alive here um if kinkade was i think but because of their line everyone's just pushing them further and

Starting point is 01:45:07 further back um but yeah like branch is just like it's tough to find a mock draft without branch at six or at 24 scott any thoughts on uh the jags yeah i i tend to lean branch as well um he's been connected you know even by you know by the Jags beat writers. He's one of the top two players that they have. My pushback on Osiris Torrance is that where is he going to play? Is he going to play a tackle or is he going to play a guard? If he's going to play a guard, they already have Brandon Scherf as their right guard. I tend to think that Anton Harrison is a player that would be in play here

Starting point is 01:45:41 if he falls here to Jacksonville. I think they're looking at putting some pieces there around. I mean, they still have Cam Robinson playing left tackle. It's not ideal. They've flirted with moving him inside to guard at times. So, you know, with the players that are on board, I would tend to leave Branch here. Daigle, any thoughts on the Jacks?

Starting point is 01:46:00 The numbers I've seen on the list that have been steamed lately all have Brian Branch at 24. half over under for a reason. It's because his slide, I would think certainly stops with Jacksonville. That's that's it. So now if he's here, which is still a big question as Scott has mentioned because of Washington, then yeah, he goes at 24. Yeah. Connor, I'm going to skip you. I'm going to pop Brian branch in there. And Connor, let you get

Starting point is 01:46:25 started with the giants at 25 yeah i think zay flowers is still on the board right uh zay flowers is still on the board yeah i think he would be like a insta pick for for them in this spot now we've heard some discussion around like size right go ahead vr so the one thing that like one of the few points that really stuck with me was with the schrager and jeremiah like collab mock is schrager said that which he's notorious for his second to last mock getting reactions and one of the reactions he got is when he puts zay flowers to the giants is he got multiple texts from teams saying that he was crazy putting zay flowers ahead of quentin and that his order was all out of

Starting point is 01:47:06 whack which I would go Zay Flowers here too when you hear something like that from one of the more connected guys that does mock drafts it definitely makes you think because Quentin a month or two ago was going 12 to the Texans and we could all just be wrong so yeah I mean McGinn also came out and had him like in their McGinn polls. He was second among the wide receivers in the thing among scouts, which is so strange because we've had a month of steam of Quinn Johnson just getting pushed on boards and now even being like a fringe first rounder, and then now we're getting like, oh, he's actually the second best

Starting point is 01:47:38 wide receiver in this class, and like you said, maybe ahead on the Giants board. I think taking Quinn Johnson here is not something I'm able to do. But if you guys really want it, we could do that. It was a tough scene for Zay too on McGinn. Yeah. He was being talked about as like a top 50 pick. Zay Flowers is definitely like the Twitter darling.

Starting point is 01:47:58 That like everyone has a first wide receiver ticket. So everyone's rooting for him to go. Zay Flowers, Akeem Butler, or no? No, he's better than that. Are we sure? I think he is. The Giants have some Zay Flowers-esque guys on the team. They don't really have a Quinton Johnston.

Starting point is 01:48:18 So I think that that's kind of the argument there is they don't have that big bodied perimeter guy uh whereas they have like six slot receivers um scott do you have any insight to add to this yeah i think uh some of the information that i've heard is that the giants aren't necessarily prioritizing wide receiver as much as what a lot of people think i've actually heard that they're prioritizing cornerback and interior offensive line possibly even with center john John Michael Schmitz here at 25, more than what they're prioritizing the wide receiver position. So that's some of the news and stuff that I've been trying to chase down

Starting point is 01:48:55 is specifically with this cornerback and interior line market here to the Giants. When you start looking at their roster, I think Quentin Johnson makes more sense than what Zay Flowers would hear just because of what they have. Um, they don't really have that, that big alpha type of guy. Um, I, I, in my mock drafts, I'm probably gonna go ahead and lean a little bit away from wide receiver here, but you know, I can definitely be outvoted in this position. I think if Forbes falls to 25, I would probably go Forbes over one of the wide receivers. But if Addison falls, I think he would go as well.

Starting point is 01:49:34 There's a bunch of really trendy positional spots where every mock draft has the Giants going wide receiver, Bengals going tight end, Cowboys going tight end. And this is one of them that I don't think – I think corner. I agree. I think I read one of the beat writers for the Giants was saying that they're not going to force a wide receiver that isn't where he is on their board.

Starting point is 01:49:58 And they would take someone like Forrest. So the corners – we're out of corners at this point. So, Derek, when – We don't have a tight end off the board yet. the corners were out of corners at this point. So it's Eric Quinn. We don't, we don't have a tight end off the board yet. Then what are we, what are we dealing with here with the giants? We still don't have a tight end off the board. You can move past that.

Starting point is 01:50:14 Yeah. I think everyone summed it up. They have five Zay flowers on the team, but they have no Quentin Johnson's. I think that makes the pick for them. Honestly, if they go wide receiver, I'm open to the idea of John Michael Schmitz.

Starting point is 01:50:24 He's pretty much the second player. I think they draft here. If they don't go Quentin John I'm open to the idea of John Michael Schmitz. He's pretty much the second player. I think they draft here if they don't go Quentin Johnston, but I have Quentin right now. A center always goes, there's one center, every draft, and this is its last chance, I think, or maybe, yeah, probably. All right, let's go off the board. We'll go, uh, JMS. Uh, I don't want to have to, uh, scroll too far down the board, but, uh,

Starting point is 01:50:47 here we go. All right. 65. Drafts are always, uh, mental exercises. So yes, it's okay to practice things different. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:50:55 Like again, Matthew Bergeron and his, in his draft with Schrager. And he literally just said like, we're just trying things here based on news he heard. So yeah, let's just try something at the back end because the back end gets a little wild. Yep, for sure.

Starting point is 01:51:08 It does. And I think that's kind of where this draft is going to be, where there's not a huge difference, say, 15 to 50. So it really becomes definitely big board specific. Diggle, I'll go with you to the Cowboys. Again, this is a spot where we've seen interior defensive line, which I think makes a lot of sense. This is the early sexy Bichon spots. They could use a tight end.

Starting point is 01:51:32 Lots of different ways for the Cowboys to go here at 26. First of all, just a note, Silva is watching a perfect game through seven innings at Wrigley right now, and so I hope that jinxes his experience. And two, I would argue there are two teams in the NFL who don't pay attention to medicals and that are the Titans and the Cowboys. So all

Starting point is 01:51:52 of this Dalton Kincaid medical news, I pay no attention to. And I think this is where they pull the trigger, knowing that they are in on either a Titan or wide receiver in this range. So I'm still leaning Dalton Kincaid, a first round player, specifically to the Cowboys. Scott, where are you on Dallas?

Starting point is 01:52:09 So I've had Michael Mayer in. Fair. I just think Michael Mayer with his blocking and due to some of the other things with Dalton Kincaid, I tend to think that Michael Mayer is going to be the guy here for Dallas. I just think the way they use their tight ends in line a bit more, I think you're going to see Dalton Kincaid flexed out a bit more. I tend to agree with the tight end position here.

Starting point is 01:52:36 I have heard whispers that there is an outside shot, that if there's a certain wide receiver here that they could go ahead and take a swing at that, and that would be, say, Flowers. So there is some outside whispers there that that's of interest there to them. I don't know how much that's going to go ahead and be with Brandon Cooks now there, but I tend to lean tight in here. Also, Scott, I will say that at least through reports,

Starting point is 01:53:06 over half the league, and i think they're wrong but over half the league apparently thinks that michael mayer is not a good blocker like they think that's actually like his weakness whenever you watch him on film though the dude is so aggressive like he may not hold his block but he wants to block which is awesome so uh i think that may bring him down a little bit and uh our friend anthony miko actually brought to the attention that i totally was like forgetting that about the cowboys the last 15 years 14 of the last 15 first round picks that they've made they've had a top 30 visit with um which then it's a good point nick Roscoe clarified fantasy log on Twitter that based off the wide receivers,

Starting point is 01:53:48 there would be that we still have available would be flowers or Quentin. Okay. And then we have off tight ends. They've had Darnell Washington in, but they have not had American Caden. Okay. Which we still have flowers. We still have Quentin. We still have with Darnell. All Quentin, and we still have Darnell.

Starting point is 01:54:06 All right. Maybe it's Flowers then. I'm not here for Darnell Washington. Me neither. All right. Buddy, we're getting Washington night one. I hope you know that. We're seeing him in the first round.

Starting point is 01:54:18 I know this is perfect for Flowers. He's going. He's going. All right. We're going to go with Flowers here. Interesting. I'd love that. I'm going to put that in my log. Those are good points. All right, we're going to go with Flowers here. Interesting. I'm going to put that in my log. Those are good points.

Starting point is 01:54:29 Good job, VR and Scott. All right, Buffalo Bills, pick 27. You know, they could use a tackle, they could use a linebacker, they could still maybe use some help along the defensive front as well. Connor, any leans to Buffalo here for you at pick 27? I mean, at this point, I think that they probably just take, I mean, they're probably going to go best player available. I mean, I know that they did sign, technically re-sign Dawson Knox.

Starting point is 01:54:56 I mean, maybe they view Kincaid as a guy who could make a difference for them, you know, given like a little bit of time, you know, behind Dawson Knox. I mean, maybe Klaja Kansi is enough of a difference maker to kind of like come in and, you know, he doesn't need to be relied upon as like the guy and kind of just like come in and make a difference to their front. So I would lean towards one of those two guys is based on the draft

Starting point is 01:55:13 shaking out. I mean, these top, like these are kind of bottom few picks here or smart teams for a reason. And like, they kind of just tend to go with best player available at position, like,

Starting point is 01:55:22 like a premium positions. But I would go with one of those two guys. If you guys have a strong take though, I'm kind of open to it. I do think so. And this draft, I think as we get later, team needs are going to come into a lot,

Starting point is 01:55:34 like going to come into play way more than in years past. Cause the talent is going to have a drop off and the best player available is going to be way more up in the air at this point in the draft compared to previous years. And one of the needs for the bills, future will be d-line four out of their six defensive linemen have their contracts coming up next year ed oliver might even get traded so i think d-line is a prime spot here i think mozzie smith is a great fit breecy is another one that you can see which breecy is very dependent on whether they resign end all over.

Starting point is 01:56:06 But Mozzie Smith, like I think this is a perfect spot for a need that isn't glaring now, but D-line is going to be glaring next year. And the best teams draft ahead of the needs, which that'd be a perfect spot right here for Mozzie Smith, I think. And I don't think that's crazy. No,

Starting point is 01:56:22 I don't either. We have kind of three here, right? We have Smith, Brian Breezy, and then Kalijah Canty. And I don't think that's crazy. No, I don't either. We have kind of three here, right? We have Smith, Brian Breezy, and then Kalijah Canty. And I, Scott, you've been adamant about, or not adamant, but we've had discussions around like how teams rate in like where you came in in terms of, you know, coming in out of high school and what that,

Starting point is 01:56:40 what that looked like and basically your pedigree. And Brian Breezy was like, I believe a consensus, like top five player in his class when he came out. Do you think that that's a factor here in terms of, you know, tiebreakers or when teams get close to a decision like this, does that kind of factor in or is that more team specific? I think it's a little bit more team specific. I think when you're getting here in this, this kind of part of the draft,

Starting point is 01:57:03 I think you're looking at a couple of things. And what VR mentioned is when you start looking at contracts that are going to be coming off the books at the end of the year and you have a player like Brian Brzee in this position who's a player I kind of like here. My last mock draft, I had Mazie Smith there. I think either one of these two players are going to fit in well. I think Mazie Smith is a little bit different.

Starting point is 01:57:25 He's a little bit more able to play the run. Brian Brzee has actually been kind of mentioned as being a little bit immature, needs to develop, needs to have a little bit more work ethic on the field and things like that. I like Maisie Smith or Brzee here. I've seen more mock drafts have Brzee as a first-round pick than I've had Mazie Smith be, but I think Mazie Smith could sneak in here and I think he's an excellent fit here with Buffalo as I've had my last mock draft.

Starting point is 01:57:56 Love that. The Athletic had their freak list last year. Athletic freaks. Mazie Smith was number one and Brazee was number two. Just to go off of your high school rating thing yeah i mean you like watch the high school tape he's like he's yeah it's it's yeah he's just like throwing dudes out of the gym like you know it's he was his size and these all kids just uh should not be playing against i don't i don't even consider khalajikancy here he's a totally different kind of interior player. That's not the kind of guy they would draft. So I think they are looking at a Mazie Smith or, as we mentioned, Brazee.

Starting point is 01:58:31 And, yeah, I have him linked to Mazie Smith as well, who Jeremiah has called the best run-blocking interior player or run-tackling interior player in this entire draft. And just to play devil's advocate a little bit here, I tend to think it's going to be a defensive lineman, but Buffalo is also a team that we've heard linked to possibly getting DeAndre Hopkins wanting to add some more wide receiver talent to the other side of Stefan Diggs. And if we had a guy like Quentin Johnston dropping here, would he be in play there for

Starting point is 01:59:02 Buffalo? And I think on the outside chance, you you know he definitely could but i i think as of what i'm looking at based on their roster and what's going to be coming off i think defensive tackle and defensive line is definitely the play for them i agree also like where they don't have a lot of picks this year i don't think right if you're a team trying to win a cerebral like wide receiver would make a lot of sense in terms of like immediate impact even though which is an argument in itself um but wide receiver was the favorite for first position to be taken until recently which i might add to do with d-line being the favorite now but um i agree with that point 100 also it seems like a lot more nfl teams are down on drew sanders than considering he had like a first round talent.

Starting point is 01:59:47 So Jack Campbell, I think, is in play here. And he's pretty much the only off-ball linebacker you should even consider going in the first round. Not that he'll be picked here, but this is where it starts. He's right here in place of a linebacker that slips my head because I had three glasses of white wine. Trenton Simpson. Thank you so much. Jack Campbell. The Bills linebacker, Milano. Oh, yeah, Milano.

Starting point is 02:00:08 Thank you. Yeah. For no help. I like Drew Sanders. I don't know. He's an Alabama prospect. He can rush the edge. He can play more traditional linebacker.

Starting point is 02:00:18 But doing my linebacker homework, these guys come in and they start to accumulate seven and a half, eight 8.5 tackles per game when you start looking at these kids. But when you don't have a lot of picks, like using one of them on a non-premium position. Offensive. I just – What?

Starting point is 02:00:35 It's offensive. Yeah. It just doesn't – yeah. Four picks to go. No tight ends off the board. Dagan wants to sell me uh over two and a half tight ends we are uh the cowboys actually took one but uh sure zay flowers uh i've been pushing back on this is just a spot too where i don't think it's a a need and i think that there are

Starting point is 02:00:59 it's actually you can make a case that it's one of the not necessarily a deep position but there are other tight ends outside of these top three guys um that can be addressed here if the bangles wanted to add one but it is a very popular selection in mock drafts i assume we'll end up doing that here uh because of the way that the board has fallen vr but what are your thoughts on the bangles at 28 so this is one like the more trendy spots for a tight end which i think if you're deciding between kinkade and michael mayer here like i'm definitely defaulting to kinkade i think this would almost be considered him falling but if all the tight ends are on the board still it definitely has me thinking that like if all the tight ends are here like everyone's gotten pushed up the chances of one of

Starting point is 02:01:39 the five still being in the second round let's just say could be a lot greater but kinkade makes a ton of sense if it's not a tight end it's very difficult to pinpoint where they go i would say maybe corner um where they drafted safety last year who he was forget it that was like one of the greatest bets ever that was like the first round trendy pick who was the guy dax hill that was the emmanuel forbes of this year. And Louis. Yeah. Yeah. Louis saying Kinkade. I just,

Starting point is 02:02:09 I Kinkade over like if the lions are going tight end, I see them taking Michael mayor. If the Bengals are going tight end, I see them going Kinkade in which the team that goes tight end is going to decide between the relevant question that everyone's debating on every podcast on which tight end goes first. So, yeah. So the players that I'm looking at that I think are in play here,

Starting point is 02:02:33 I tend to agree. I think it's going to be Kincaid. I think he fits that offense a little bit more. They've had meetings with both Kincaid and Michael Mayer. The other player, I think when you start talking cornerback, it's another team that's been well-connected to Emmanuel Forbes doing their homework on him. He's a player I could see here.

Starting point is 02:02:49 They have not had a meeting that I've been able to track with Darnell Washington. That's a name that I've been starting to see linked more and more here to the Bengals. And then Jameer Gibbs is another player I've been seeing kind of linked here. The player that they have had talks with and multiple meetings with is DeJuan Jones, if they were to go offensive line. But here in this position, all the mocks that I track, you're looking at a tight end here,

Starting point is 02:03:15 and I think Dalton Kincaid's the pick here. This is where I was landing Anton Harrison often because Jonah Williams is looking to get out. They need a tackle. They are a very, very pass-heavy offense. Protecting their assets and supporting the passing game makes a ton of sense to me too. So I can get down on the DeJuan Jones thing, but we will go with Kincaid, the first tight end off the board.

Starting point is 02:03:40 And the slide continues for Michael Mayer a little bit longer. But, Daigle, you give me the case that there's the slide ends here, or you have another tight end you want to add to the mix. I just want to quickly say that although he childishly yelled at me last offseason, I hold no grudges and respect Joe Goodberry. I think he does amazing work. And so he has a big board of the Bengingles and he's usually locked into these things because he's a fan and he's a passionate fan which i don't understand the balance there with

Starting point is 02:04:11 the reporter but whatever no big deal and on his big board he has kalijah cancey dalton and kade and michael mayer in that order of the players we should pay attention to so i'll just say based off of goodbear who, I think does amazing work despite what he thinks about me, that it would be Cancy going to either the Lions at 18 or the Bengals. And then otherwise you should, in my opinion, have Cancy off of your big board,

Starting point is 02:04:37 like out of the first round. Or if you think they go tight in, Kincaid over Mayer. That's how I have it planned based on Goodberry. So he's doing good work out there. And then also going back to number 29 for the Saints, I'm personally linking them to Darnell Washington here. The underdog boys, Josh Norris and Hayden Winks, have already somewhat connected the Saints to bringing in Foster Moreau,

Starting point is 02:05:00 initially wanting to sign a tight end, despite giving Jawan Johnson 13 million guaranteed a whole lot of money, not only for the tight end market, but for an unrestricted free agent. That's wild. They just gave him that kind of money. But then also still having, as Nick Underhill has told us at NewOrleans.Football, an RAS threshold and Washington will be the highest among all the available tight ends here. So I honestly think it makes a lot of sense that Washington, especially if we think we

Starting point is 02:05:29 get two or three first round tight ends, Washington is the pick here. Scott, this is your neck of the woods. Any insight on the Saints and what they do here? Look, I'll be straight up honest with this one. And Underhill's the man. When it comes to New orleans football he is the most tuned in guy down here there's a lot of other local guys that do but that do solid work but when it comes down to new orleans football and if underhill says it then that's pretty much

Starting point is 02:05:56 the way i would lean i think it does make a lot of sense as to to what you're looking at with them looking for a tight end i don't think juwan johnson while he did have a good year last year i don't think he's quite the answer i think uh that they're going to them looking for a tight end. I don't think Jawan Johnson, while he did have a good year last year, I don't think he's quite the answer. I think they're going to be looking for another person. And look, I think Quinton Johnson's in play here as well. I think they could be looking for another wide receiver. It's hard to say here with the Saints. They've lost a lot on the defensive line,

Starting point is 02:06:20 but I have had them linked to Darnell Washington as well. I think they've lost a lot of the defensive line. I think I've been kind of where I've been at mixing in different guys, depending on where they fall. They've lost a lot. Ed Rusher, you know, shy,

Starting point is 02:06:35 total Marcus Davenport. They brought in Caitlin Saunders from the chiefs, big body. But again, that's a guy that's playing, you know, 40% of the snaps or something like that. They need some help up front. They lost a lot in the front seven. So Breezy,

Starting point is 02:06:51 Kansi makes a ton of sense to me here as well. I know you guys are passionate. Again, I just think that Jawan Johnson, they gave him a ton of money. Sam LaPorter is here later. There's some other tight ends, Tyler Croft. There's some other guys that I think are out there that you can go out and get instead of spending it the first round. But maybe that's how they want to address the defensive line. The other name that they have been linked to on the defensive lines on the board right here in Felix Anaduke Uzumo, he's a guy that they have had multiple

Starting point is 02:07:19 meetings with. They have been sniffing around and doing their homework on him. And I do believe that he is going to go ahead and meet some of their relative athletic score thresholds and some of the traits that they look for. So that's another guy I'd go ahead and keep an eye on. Jack Campbell and Trenton Simpson also meet their personal RAS thresholds. Just a note. I have no idea if this guy meets it, anything.

Starting point is 02:07:42 But Will McDonald just feels like he feels aligned with the edge rushers that they've taken in the past. He's got to go in one of the next three. Will McDonald's going in one of the next three. Will McDonald, from what I've been told, because I brought up Will McDonald to some of my Saints forces as well, and the concern with Will McDonald is that he's a little bit on the light side for what they want.

Starting point is 02:08:02 You start looking at the way they go ahead and run that defense, specifically along the defensive line, and they tend to go a little bit heavier with their ends. You start looking at Turner and Cam Jordan and then even who's the defensive lineman. They just lost to Detroit. Yeah, that's wrong. Yeah, so that's my only concern and pushback on Will McDonald is the size.

Starting point is 02:08:23 I mean, what are Darnell Washington's second tight end off the board odds? They're probably really fun. Isn't it plus like 600 or something? It's got to be fun because Michael Mayer, poor guy, he's fallen. If you're going to do that, knowing that Kincaid has potential medical issues and NFL teams are down on Mayer's blocking, just take the 10-1 at Washington mayors blocking. Just take the plus,

Starting point is 02:08:45 take the 10 to one at a Washington first tight end. Just bite the bullet. Hey, do it. Uh, yeah. So it's like, that's at this point.

Starting point is 02:08:53 What's the Washington plus three 52nd tight end Washington plus a 10 to one first tight end. Uh, I mean, we're probably, we're going to only have two tight ends in this mock. So if we go tight end here, if we don't,

Starting point is 02:09:04 then we're, we're just going to have one. I feel like we should probably have a tight end going here if we want to conform, but if we don't want to conform, then fuck it. Just do whatever. I think they're taking a defensive lineman. It makes sense, Noonan.

Starting point is 02:09:18 I think they're definitely taking a defensive lineman here. Continuing to scroll down. Give me a minute. He's not a PFF top 200, dude. That's not our problem. It sounds like a personal company problem. Did Underwood, is Underwood, is Underwood implying Washington?

Starting point is 02:09:38 Two. It's one of the names you mentioned among six or seven. Go to neworleans.football, everyone. He does great work. That's the stuff I buy. Yeah, of course. That is the core to it all. Kropensky, Biggs, Underwood.

Starting point is 02:09:53 Let's go. All right, so we gave the Eagles Peter Skowronski a pick 10. I feel like everyone thinks they're going offensive, defensive, either edge, defensive lineman, something there here at 30. But, again, if you guys want to go off the board, again, the PFF board here is telling us wide receivers are in need, and we still have Quinton Johnson on the board.

Starting point is 02:10:19 How do the Eagles do? I mean, two hours, though, honestly, is pretty good. I mean, that's two hours without this happening. Hey, not bad. This is fantastic. Yeah. Hey, we kicked it to VR. What do you think about the Eagles, buddy?

Starting point is 02:10:35 I think at 10, they go O-line. Breezy feels very likely here. Premium position. I get the wide receiver angle um the corners are off the board like i just think breeze like they're gonna get a tech like two of the three at least like tackle d-line maybe corner um they went skronsky i just think breezy makes a lot of sense here as well um keon white just has like an Eagle vibe to me. But yeah, honestly, like best player available also works, which would be Quinton, I guess, according to PFF.

Starting point is 02:11:14 I don't think it's actionable, but notable that Keon White did get a green room invite for Thursday night. Again, I don't think there is anything. Wait, I forgot Will McDonald's on the board. Yeah, Will McDonald makes a ton of sense too. This is also a Hendon Hooker tradeback position. This is the first time we should see it. Oh, Hooker could have gone a lot at 29 too.

Starting point is 02:11:37 I may stick Hooker here just as a give up. I'd be like first round player based on what NFL teams think. This is where we fit him in for a trade back yeah I don't do trades because I'm not a beta end quote I was sticking to the Eagles I would not mention the trade be like hey this is where he goes I'll get points for it if he's picked at 30 so whatever yeah no it's it's probably sharp because you're just gaming you're gaming the system yeah you're gaming understand the. I think McDonald here or the next pick make a lot, makes a lot of sense. But I'm kind of down to go with whatever FAU as well.

Starting point is 02:12:09 Potentially. I don't know. Brzee. Like it seems like there's like six guys who could go in these like last few spots. Even mayor. I mean, the Eagles have had when they had arts and what's his name?

Starting point is 02:12:19 Go to art. Like, like mayor, if he's here, which I just butchered that. How do you not know Dallas' last name? I love it. I love it so much.

Starting point is 02:12:26 I think you dropped that on an action pod. He's French. You're heavy. Head me rolling. Like, if Mayor's here, they're not expecting Mayor to be here. Use Google. No. Google pronunciation.

Starting point is 02:12:39 Yeah, why don't you pronounce rank number 32's name, Felix? Scott nailed it, dude. i'm just gonna rely on scott scott killed it felix and a duke and a dk uzomo oh that's not the hardest one it's the that's the northwestern no yeah the northwestern one's tough so look when we're talking about the players here for philadelphia the majority of the work that they've done meeting wise are going to be players that fall into this category in this range where it's like plus you know four or five picks either way um the the northwestern kid that we were talking about at a tome and why out of ballari you're my boy scott good job i'm back uh he's actually a player that that howie roseman's come out

Starting point is 02:13:18 verbally and and said that that he he loves the the kid um i think he ran like a 4.49 or something at like 280-something pounds. But all of these guys they've had meetings with. Emmanuel Forbes has had a top 30 meeting with them, so another spot where he would possibly fall in. Just when you start linking Emmanuel Forbes to a lot of these teams and the top 30 visits he's had, I think that makes him a lock there. But Will McDonald, we talked about some of the other, like Brian Brzee, all of these guys, Mazie Smith, they've put in a lot of work to some of the prospects that are going to go ahead and fall in this range, including some

Starting point is 02:13:58 of the tackles, Anton Harrison and others. So this is a spot where I think you can go ahead and pencil them in. I think Brian Brzee is probably going to be the top of the line prospect here. And the way they like to build from the inside out, I would tend to lean a little bit more in his direction. Yeah. Hargrave moving on to San Francisco as well. I think it makes a ton of sense.

Starting point is 02:14:19 He's I think a better fit than Kansi too. So we'll go with Brian Brzee. And then I mean, I think when McDonald's could have gone in any of the last few spots, I feel like I'm very similar to, I feel like I was doing a little bit of, you know, in the mentions and replies and was digging around in front of the show, former PFF guy, now at Sumer Sports,

Starting point is 02:14:39 Eric Eager, very plugged into all of the trappings of the Chiefs. Someone insinuated that he does not believe that will McDonald's will be here, but if he does does not believe that he makes it past the spot. So I feel like this is a pretty safe, you know, last landing spot for women Donald, unless anyone has any pushback.

Starting point is 02:14:59 Yeah. And I think zero line on one of the podcasts said in his last mock, he just like completely forgot it. Well, well McDonald. And if he had remembered, he would have put them, I think Zero Line on one of the podcasts said in his last mock, he just completely forgot about Will McDonald. And if he had remembered, he would have put him, I think, here. And he thinks he's going to go away before this. But the only thing on the – Jeremiah on one of the podcasts this week, it was very subtle. He mentioned that the dude from Northwestern,

Starting point is 02:15:18 I'm not going to try to pronounce his name, he's going to have at the Chiefs for his, in his mock, his final mock on Wednesday. Yeah. But I, I'm assuming Will McDonald wasn't available for his final mock either. Well, I mean, we,

Starting point is 02:15:34 we put Darnell Washington in this mock, so we definitely have made some mistakes. There's some, some spots for other people to be in here. So I don't need that at all. That's what they go. So they'll do it. That is the, man,

Starting point is 02:15:46 only two hours in the team. It's not bad. Let's see how our, how we graded here. I wanted to look at some of these guys that are available and deal with it. I love the grading. Like as if like they know, like no one knows.

Starting point is 02:15:56 It's just, we're going to get a, let's see, probably a pretty bad grade because Quinn Johnson didn't go to use like their number six player on the board. So. All right, let's see what happens. Let's tweet that out.

Starting point is 02:16:08 Do we want to? It's good to listen to the show. Let's do it. I don't think this is that bad. I think this is... I mean, who's great? Everybody knows shit anyway. We're going to get a great? Isn't it usually great?

Starting point is 02:16:25 Washington's the only Like really drunk spot What? That's your one Washington? I mean And this mock would be totally different If Levis didn't go too But he's going to

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Starting point is 02:18:55 like anything can go where the process is so much smoother. I don't even know why I'm bringing this up, but you called me out. So I think I'll probably have something different on Monday too. I got a lot of thoughts brewing in my head. I'll probably have a Daigle's 10 thoughts on the draft article for everyone too. I got some ideas brewing.

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