Move The Line - Move The Line - Week 10 Betting Recap & Week 11 Early Predictions!

Episode Date: November 11, 2025

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Hello and welcome to move a live presented by Sharpstack. Ryan Newton joined here as always. Connor Allen talking about what we saw here for week 10. It's coming up on week 11. How we doing? Good, man. It was a weird week for me. One couple of bets that I probably shouldn't have.

Lost a couple that I felt like I shouldn't have. So overall, you know, up heading into Monday at football. But yeah, nothing too much to complain about. I feel like I got in so good. all week it felt good you know sometimes just wanted to feel like you got in good for the week and you'll you know let the chips fall where they may and so that feels like a good week i definitely wish i would have had some different results felt bad right away when like kyle pits drops a what probably is going to be like a 35 40 yard and uh catch and run in the first possession of that

early game for the day and then hold it on and obviously lose kyle pits by you know four yards even though OT saved us felt like sometimes, you know, that's like it's always bad. You feel like it actually doesn't impact your day, but it feels like things to come are happening and kind of what went down. Good defensive day. So we're going to hang our head there. Tackle props are great. Tackle props are great.

We're going to keep doing that. And yeah, excited too. I can't believe we're here. I think we've got some bangers here. I feel like we know who the good teams are even more. I feel like some of the bad teams. lost, kind of makes it a little bit clear, some good football to talk about. So one of our minds, folks, before we dig in, check out Sharpstack, free seven-day trial.

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Like, oh, this one lost us. Like, yeah, your A leg parlay didn't win. I was like, oh, my $15 to win $100,000 parlay didn't win. Like, no shit. Like, you know, it's like, it's going to happen. It's going to happen. My oldest will get, you know, sometimes like just blown away by like the level of engagement.

Sometimes you'll see like a show will do or tweets like, like, like you just happened to be here like came in right after the show ended and um like this is this bet that we made i showed him like here's the tweet Connor just sent the tweet watch i'll show you this tweet again in like five hours yeah and i'll show it to again tomorrow morning and you'll be blown away and he's like why would you did you bet that he's like that's so stupid that's never going to hit i'm like brady i know it's a $15 to win a hundred thousand dollar bet but watch how many people love this bet this is exactly why we're doing it it's fun and imagine like what would happen if all these people tailed that bet like and it won like i would love to find out we'd make national news i mean it'd be like

you know better wins oh two i don't even know millions and millions of dollars like better's win millions of dollars on some parlay like we would get there'd be stories written about us you know and we'd go down in the the betting history like you know in in fame there i feel like we keep pumping those out it's worth $15 a week uh for the you know and a small chance to never be famous for that Yeah, it's just getting good. All right, it feels like a lifetime ago, but the Broncos beat the Raiders, 10 to 7. What are the Broncos, Connor?

What do we make in the Broncos? They're 8 and 2. I don't even know what they are other than 8 and 2, which is pretty damn good. Defense without certain is good, which is good to see, but weren't really battle tested. Offense continues to just be not good.

They scream like a team that's going to make playoffs, have a good seed or relatively good seed. I mean, Mayo's bet earlier. If they're not to make the playoffs, it's interesting. I still think they're going to make the playoffs. And then probably lose by like a touchdown or more in the wild card round. So they're, I mean, unless they figure something out offensively, like I just don't know what the option is here.

I mean, there was three points scored in the second half of that game. 10 to 7 final score, complete disaster. Reader's defense is, uh, it's just not good. It's not good in the secondary in their front played okay. It just, it's just not a team that should ever hold anyone to 10 points at home. Bronco is still currently favored, pretty much across the market to win the AFC West, plus 130 on Fandul with the chiefs at plus 150. They meet this week, first at two meetings.

I mean, I like the chiefs in the game. I'll tell you that much coming off of a buy. We also have the, you know, Andy Reid off a buy situation, which has kind of been somewhat bulletproof for literally, back to his Philly days, you know, three and a half, four points is the total there. I think there's also opportunities to just jump into the chiefs in the division. It's probably another viable way to go about it. Yeah, I mean, I like the Chiefs.

Yeah, three and a half, four points on the road. It's not enough. I think, I mean, it could be even, I mean, like the Chiefs could, like, I'm not saying shut out the Broncos, but like 17 points would be a lot for the Broncos, it seems like, at this point. I mean, think about some of these Broncos games, right? Like, good win in Philly. I think that changed some thoughts earlier. We were really sure what was going on.

They seemed to be a team with decent expectations, going to Philly and win. It's just kind of an ugly, like, play with your food, Jets game, that they should have really, like, blown them out. And they didn't. The Giants game, they needed all the fourth quarter magic in that game. I think speaks more to what happens with the Giants when they get into the fourth quarter than anything Denver did specifically.

in hindsight, you know, Dallas isn't a team that we expect much, you know, Houston game, like without C.J. Stroud, like, I don't know. It just, I'm just not buying it. It's a team that we thought to make the playoffs was a great value, like plus money, plus one 10 or so in the preseason, over nine and a half wins, have those, feel good about those. They're eight and two, but not a legit threat. No, I mean, yeah, again, like we said, like if the offense can make some changes

or, like, you know, have some good games, maybe. but that just doesn't I mean I don't even count the Cowboys game where they scored 44 points because the Cowboys defense is like it's like the Bengals we talk about them every week like they're it's like scratch them off the record I mean we just we get to it when we get to it with the old Justin Field shit but you know yeah it doesn't matter uh we're in Germany for the opener on Sunday morning 31 25 with the Colts uh over the Falcons in overtime um would have been I think probably a pretty bad loss and actually could have had massive implications. I think the show is pretty different today if we're talking about, you know,

a Colts loss and a Jags win in Houston on either of those things happen. They both kind of flipped in the end. Any takeaways for either squad there in Germany? Seven sacks for Daniel Jones. Not good at all. I mean, taking on a lot of pressure back-to-back weeks. I mean, I hate to make this comp, but I mean, we saw Sam Darnold play incredible for 13, 14 weeks and then have two really, really bad games back to back and then not play all that well in playoffs like i just think that it shows like when things are clicking for daniel jones and this colt's team i think that they're a really good team like when it's going well when it's not going well there's like there's still a lot of holes with this team with this team and with daniel jones specifically so like he's holding on the ball

too long now when you have jonathan taylor to help cover it up 32 carries with 244 yards and three touchdowns that helps you know there's still other ways that they can win outside of just like having a good passing attack so that's the upside for the colds the downside is that like their defense is still not all that good um i mean adding sauce gardener helps obviously and like i'm sure that'll it'll probably get better but like it's still not quite there yet i don't think yeah they'll get shirvary's ward back that'll really help to can solidify things a little bit um shout out a guy o g bill simmons guy simmons pointed out um you know the paths get a lot of like pat's schedule talk what's like what's the colt schedule

who like they won they beat Denver and like that was a controversial like you know a field goal thing at the end where that really shouldn't have been whatever maybe they beat Denver um they beat the chargers on the road it's kind of their hallmark win to this point um you know their two losses were at the rams pretty handily and then obviously the Pittsburgh won last week so again beating up on the chargers, I mean, the Raiders, the Cardinals, Miami, Tennessee, like, I don't know. Tennessee twice, yeah. Tennessee twice.

It's kind of a soft eight and two, right? Like they got to cut their teeth a little bit here at the end. They got to buy at Kansas City. Yeah, again, still pretty easy. They got to go on the road to Seattle. They got San Francisco at home. But again, they got a bunch of division games. They got Houston twice, Jacksonville twice.

You know, it's a playoff team. But again, kind of like a better version of Denver. I think that they can be good because I think the roster is better. I feel better about Daniel Jones and all the pieces there. But in terms of like threatening the top of the board, the AFC, still a little hesitant there. Yeah. When push comes to shove and I'm assuming all like health for the playoffs, I think I would still put them behind the chiefs, behind the bills, behind the Ravens at full health.

And then you start talking about the Colts probably. Patriots. I probably have the Patriots head of the Colts. But I think it's close. I mean, that's like, yeah, closer. Also, like maybe the defense, like you said, Traverius Ward comes back. I think Lou with, you know,

Sauce and Traverius Ward, like their run even still has not played all that well. But they just lost their best defensive player to IR for four weeks, the Forrest Bognar, who's awesome. It's a big loss for them. And it will show up at times. And again, you can show up some other situations where teams were able to get pressure.

Like those Houston games, Seattle, you know, even Kansas City come out of the Baha. That's kind of a path to slow down what's going on with the Colts. So Falcons takeaways, I just, I never know. I feel like they can beat anybody and then can lose to really bad football teams too. Yeah, I mean, defense, I think, kind of showed that it was a little bit fraudulent early on in the year with like the passing numbers they were allowing, just kind of based on like game script and everything.

Bejohn was a little bit better than he has been in previous weeks. They used Algier more. They talked about that. They actually did it, which, again, kicking myself only. almost played over 18 yards. He ended up with 57 and two touchdowns. Yeah, that's tough because it was a fringe one for me that it ended up pushing. And then Drake London continues to be used that.

Like Darnell Mooney is just like a nothing burger. So I think all the splits from last year can probably just throw out the window at this point. But then your guy, Kyle Pitts continues to not be good, unfortunately, even in a great matchup and five targets and just, yeah, can't get to ball. dropped the ball and was like way underthrown on a wide open would have been touched on and that was that was it for that one um easy schedule coming i mean next three for for Atlanta Carolina New Orleans and the Jets three winnable football games they could also lose any of those three games that's kind of them in a nutshell they're definitely on the

outside looking in for the playoff picture at this point so are the Carolina Panthers after their 17 7 loss at home again another situation where we have to come on today We talk about are the Panthers legit and viable, but they went ahead and took care of that for us. Tyler Shutt looked okay, 17 to 25, 282, two scores. And, yeah, I don't know, Panthers just aren't very good. And, you know, Bryce Young just ain't it. He's not it. That's for sure.

I mean, just continues to do nothing. Like, it doesn't matter who's playing. Saints' defense is not very good. does less than nothing. They tried to jam Rico Doudel, didn't work out, 2.9 yards per carry. Tate was, like, injured,

so 5 or 60, again, he still needs to be above average. The only, I mean, basically just him and Rico Douda was the only, like, redeeming qualities right now about this offense, it seems like. Yeah.

But on the Saints side, 22 carries for Alvin Camaro was wild. I mean, that just came out of nowhere. Like, very plausible, I'm sorry. Yeah, I mean, previous high was,

He had 21 in week two. Hasn't had more than 11 carries since September 28th. It's been pretty inefficient on those 11. And he still was inefficient. 3.8 yards per carry, wasn't good. That's with a 16-yard run, too. So very strange game here. Tyler Shug, though, I mean, it was kind of the theory that we had all along of like,

we don't know if he's going to be any good. It's probably not any good, but maybe he's okay. And plays okay here, they get a win. You know, that's kind of like the, I think the thought behind the Saints here. So going forward, I'm not like necessarily upgrading them or downgrading them massively. But like, could they beat the Jets? Maybe. You know, at the Dolphins, like the Dolphins played obviously really well.

They could beat the Titans maybe at the end of the season. So they could win a couple more games. Yeah, defense played well. They didn't, like, I thought looking at it, I'm like, did they like stack the box a tonne with RICO? They didn't. They were like, second lowest stack box rate in the league for the week. So I'm like, okay, they just, they sold out to stop RICO knowing that Bryce couldn't beat him. They didn't.

They just kind of got the job done. So good showing for the Saints. And, you know, again, we have kudos to Hayden Wink's doing a great job coaching that team. That's the coach, right? He's a coach. He looks just like him. He does. He does.

What's their like, I mean, Saints are 10th in rushing success rate allowed? the season um yeah they've you know we've i think not attacked them a couple times because the defense has been okay they've they've had these like random games when they pop up and just kind of show up to mario davis is really playing good ball is like 37 years old linebacker just kind of kicking ass still it's good for him thought he was getting traded at the deadline for sure but uh did not so yeah those teams are both done again the any panthers thoughts of them being a playoff team they kind of handled that for us this week uh bears 2420 they needed all of that uh they also needed a jackson dart concussion to get themselves there this is the end of

the brian dayball era fired earlier today um yeah giants just kind of melting down at this point you know should probably start thinking about uh what the future looks like might kathka will be uh holding down the uh head coaching role uh in the mean time i probably know jackson dart for this week the concussion we'll wait and see but concussion felt inevitable like a lot of blue tent trips for jackson dart since he's taken over uh you know some shorter than others when others got involved but this one seems like it was uh you know he landed on his face pretty hard and um probably yeah this week i'm just sad that we won't get any more connor hugh's softcore porn about uh jackson dart and brian dable um it's it i mean that

First off, that was ridiculous. Second, I still think the table is a decent offensive coordinator. Like, he's just worked with, like, nothing for three years. He'll get a job for sure. Yeah, like, I mean, I think it's actually a good year to need an offensive coordinator between him and Mike McDaniel almost certainly getting fired. And, like, maybe being able to convince one of them to be your offensive coordinator, like, I mean, that's like a dream to me if you can, like, hire an offensive coordinator.

Maybe the Lions could be a good fit after changing play callers of Dan Campbell. and off of John Morton, plenty of other teams. Basically, I would say 50% of the league would probably have an upgrade with one of those guys. So, yeah, like maybe not a great head coach, just didn't have a whole lot, though. I think Joe Shane is significantly more of a problem, GM than Brian Dable. But they kept Joe Shane around and they dumped Brian Dable. So tough for him. And I think Jackson Dard is good.

You give him a full set of options here. He'll be pretty interesting. and but in the meantime it's just not a very good team and the bear is another side man I mean gritty win by three six and three I mean that was like he didn't they didn't play very well all game like their offense didn't play well like basically all game and then Caleb just kind of like willed him to a win receivers dropped a bunch of balls he missed a couple of throws um and then yeah I mean then their defense just live and die by turnovers like it's crazy they are so bad like they

I just can't get over how bad they are to be honest on a play to play basis but then they end up being good overall because they just like get turnovers basically that's that's it's crazy plus 160 on draft kings is the best to make the playoff number for the bears no no yeah you can lay

caesar's minus 195 draft kings minus 200 again I feel like they're comfortably the eighth team currently I guess. I guess you can make it the case in Minnesota, like whoever wins this week 11 matchup between the Bears and Vikings in Minnesota. The Vikings are three-point favorite.

Some two-and-a-halfs out there on Pinnacle, a little juicy. Total's kind of all over the map. But I think they're both probably outside the playoff pitcher, but as we talked about earlier today, I think the loser is clearly out of it. Any thoughts of that one? I mean, I don't know if they've beaten a good team. Like, we got, so I'm going through the schedule.

the Cowboys, 31-14, probably their best win. Then you have the Raiders, 25, 24, narrow win. Like, probably shouldn't have won that one either. I think it was the blocks kick at the end of they won or something like that or like, something ridiculous. Commanders without Jaden Daniels, or no, commanders and Jaden, Daniels at that point. It did have Jane Daniels. Okay, so that's for sure their best win.

Okay, so that one and the Cowboys went, okay, then they beat the Saints, whatever. They lose to the Ravens without Lamar. They beat the Bengals without, or nearly lose, but without Burrow. then they'd be the Giants without DART. I mean, it might be the most fraudulent wins like I've seen in a while, to be honest. It doesn't get easier. Really, there's the,

they got to host the Browns later in the year. Otherwise, the rest of the games, either divisional opponents or teams that are above 500 in the playoff pitcher. So it's a tough, tough, tough path for the Bears. And again, there is something to be said for winning football games. This is just narrative base for sure.

but like especially with kind of a young quarterback new head coach the wins are good like it start to build that into the culture of what you're doing that's why like like some people study like the tanking stuff back in the right like the sixters days right we're like to just sell tank just that's just you know stack it for next year we start to build this like losing culture in these young players is not really good either um so actually it's really good i don't know that's going to translate to wins and losses this year but I think for the Bears fans, if you really were to pull any, like, real Bears fan this year, I think you wanted to kind of get an answer that, like, at least that Caleb is the guy.

Like, not that Caleb is like a guy, but like Caleb is the guy. We can do this again next year. We got, you know, the first year head coach stuff under his, under his belt, and then kind of move forward. And I think that's kind of going to be probably a win for the Bears when we kind of look back on the year. And again, if they absolutely get boat race to the schedule, all of a sudden, they win like six or seven games and you kind of finish like seven and ten it's not going to feel that way as much but i don't know we'll see that's squarely in the range of outcomes right here so yeah i would

take a screenshot of how you feel now or just like think about it save that and then we'll revisit this in a little bit because it's definitely doesn't get easier but a couple of big wins here could go a long way i mean like two games against packers lions and vikings like those divisional games are huge if they win one or two of those like you know they're in a really good spot i think that they can i just used i mean you watch your defense they're just not healthy and they're just really bad so like they basically have to get lucky and get a bunch of turnovers or pay perfect offensively which they're not doing right now so uh i don't know i personally i think there's a good chance is like fade the bears maybe not with the vikings because i'm going to

see right on them either but um and they can probably beat the steelers but like eagles or at packers i think they could lose by like 30 yeah montess sweats don't play better that helps a little bit but it feels fraudulent for sure with Chicago. The Texans win 3629, you know, basically, you know, last second touchdown here. This is a 19, 20-point game in the fourth quarter of Jacksonville winning. I think that actually felt fraudulent too because there was like some special team stuff in the first quarter that got this game out of whack. But again, Jacksonville wins this game.

There's six and three and we're having to have real like discussions about Jacksonville. especially considering their schedule is pretty soft. The Texans also have a pretty soft schedule. It's a nice win for them. But they moved to four and five. They're chasing a little bit here. Should get CJ Stroud back. But, you know,

kudos to Davis Mills takes advantage of the opportunities that he's had in the last game and a half. And they didn't quit. And DeNeil Hunter was really the story in this game. And just more, you know, pretty average to below average quarterback play from Trevor Lawrence. Yeah. I mean, Jacksonville entered the fourth quarter. You're up 29 to 10.

And ended up losing became 29 to 30 then like they scored like the last second whatever Sheldon Rankin's fumble recovery when they were just trying to like you know whatever pitch around so it's I mean crazy game for the Jaggs to blow to be honest and yeah like Trevor Lawrence 158 yards 13 for 23 this Texas defense is still really good just like can they get anything from their offense like it's similar to Denver in a lot of ways honestly it's like what juice can you get out of the offense because if you can score 20 points. points, 20, you know, and any, any turnovers or, you know, like, offensively, you're, you're in a good spot. But, like, if you can't, then it's just going to be, it's tough to win football games.

If you can't score 20 points consistently, which they obviously did here, but it's kind of like, I don't know, felt like it was aided by some mistakes, basically, from Jacksonville. Yeah, I agree. Texas aren't done because the defense is so good and they have both of the Colts games still on the schedule. And that's kind of their path. One more against Tennessee. Yeah, one more against Tennessee.

they also have Buffalo and Kansas City on the schedule too so it's a little bit that's tricky but you know some winnable games and the defense is good enough to keep them in so if they can get some guys back defensively if they get CJ Stroud back it's you know they're a long shot but they're they're not dead let me see where our odds are let's see where the Texans to make the playoffs plus 350 on Fandall where are they I mean to win the division is ancient interesting because that was kind of the path again this is not a bet that i'm going to make i just i'm curious what the odds are all right so they're comfortably behind jacksaville um coltermine is 450 jacksville's plus 650 you can get 12 to one on the texans to win the division

which is the better way to go about this i think then um to make the playoffs to be honest the texans great team they should hire brian dable or mike mcdaniel it'd be lovely It'd be awesome. I mean, I don't know if C.J. Stroud really fits all that well with either of them. Maybe McDaniel, but they can make it work. You know, like, I think they'd be certainly an upgrade from Cayley. Yeah. I think that's, you know, the calling card of all good coordinators that you're going to be able to adapt and make it work to, for whoever it is.

Ben Johnson was not like a fit per se with Caleb Williams, you know, like that's, he's pretty much, I don't know, the antithesis in a lot of ways to Jared Gough, you know, like, for sure. But they're making it work, kind of. Well, maybe Daniel might not go anywhere. He got another win, 30 to 13 against the Bills. Turned him over a bunch, ran all over them. The Bill's defense is beat up. It's slow. And this is kind of interesting.

Like, you know, Josh is amazing. This team's not super built, though, to, like, come from behind and chase teams, right? Through the air, especially. You know, Donald and Kincaid. Pulled up with a hammy here. I don't know the severity of that. That's not great. James Cook had a nice run, fumbled at the end of it.

Same thing we got a Josh Allen run, scramble. He fumbled, interceptions. Yeah, kind of one of the weirder games of the season because it wasn't even really this close. It was a 17-point win. No, I mean, they got the shit kicked out of them. They couldn't run on the dolphins who have been playing better on defenses of late, which is kind of surprising.

And then offensively, yeah, if the dolphins can run, it makes two his life easier. He's still through two picks. but both of them were like Mike McDaniel said for him just like throw a deep so arm puns yeah yeah right which you know again aren't that far because too it doesn't have an arm but he got there I mean one of my biggest takeaways is I felt like every time I looked up I just saw Keon Coleman not coming down with the pass like it was like John John Coleman he just like didn't catch the ball like he had the one touchdown otherwise it was just like he looked just like had never had positioning

never like he looked like so ridiculous out there I mean at this point I'm ready to say Keon Coleman's like homeless man's Kelvin Benjamin at this point like this guy is just like so bad I mean I don't know if he's on the Devante Parker spectrum yet but you know he's getting there like he's you know they're pretty similar because this guy I mean this guy sucks like a lot of third season I think right like at one point yeah he did he did it's some decent years but like doesn't separate doesn't get doesn't do all that well with contested balls anymore like what are we doing here what does this guy do well get him off the field Yeah, it's tough.

I mean, we both came out of that Chiefs game still feeling like the Chiefs of the better team. You know, it's a nice home field advantage. And, yeah, I believe that Buffalo's a good football team, but I don't know, currently plus $195 to win the division, just kind of wild. Yeah, they are, you know, comfortably behind the Patriots now. They go, you know, back-to-back road games against tough defenses the next two weeks at Houston. and no so Tampa Bay then at Houston at Pittsburgh so yeah I mean they need to play some better football here again they got at New England still in the schedule but Patriots now minus 250 on fan five and a half point favorites against the Bucks I think if the Bucks got back

like got back Bucky Irving then they'd be in a good spot to maybe like hypothetically just like kind of ground and pound let Baker just like you know take advantage of the secondary there. I'm not sure that Rashad White is capable of doing that. But Sean Tucker went for 53 yards. It broke the 50 yards streak against the Patriots. Yeah. I mean, Sean Tucker looked great. I think he's actually kind of good, much better runner than Rashad. Definitely better than Rashad white. Send Rashad. I mean, there was another one. I had my list, didn't play it because of the Sean Tucker injury report. And like the number was already like 44 and like, you know, you get like 15 carries. So, you know,

It's like you're really playing with fire there. But, yeah, I mean, John Tucker's pretty good. Yeah, it could be a tough spot there. They're really struggling up front. They've had a ton of injuries. You know, Ed Oliver was kind of just icing on the cake there. And, you know, teams can really run the football on them.

And it's a tough, it's a tough spot to be in January. I mean, but that's the thing is, like, teams can run the football on them. Teams can actually really throw the football on them, too. Like, it's not like they are like a, run funnel per se like you can just you can move the ball in the bills like they it's not a good enough uh not a good enough defense so all right uh next we have uh the ravens winning in minnesota 27 to 19 kind of i don't just want the ravens to like put the hammer on somebody um this is an interesting like just way that the box score broke out 42 dropbacks

before we do pass attempts for J.J. McCarthy. Anytime they ran the ball, they had success. I mean, JJ ran a little bit too, but by far the worst run defense in the league last week, looking a small sample in terms of like yards before contact allowed, was Ravens. Ravens are also another team that's getting a little bit thin up front and good teams, at least teams that can run the football,

can have their way against them a little bit. matchup when you think about like the bills against the colts in the playoffs or you know the raven's colts in the playoffs whereas like the patriots need to throw the ball a little bit more maybe not but i think kind of the patriots need to throw the ball chiefs too right the chiefs need to throw the football a little bit more so any takeaways from ravens vikings i didn't watch as much of this one um as the other games but i mean overall like yeah the ravens just like didn't i don't know they didn't pull away as much as i would have thought or would have hoped but 42 pastime for judy mccarthy was kind of what i was actually expecting last

week but because they're up by 10 against the lions like you know like they they were in cruise control and they were able to run more it seems like they want to be a little bit more aggressive with with mccarthy in the passing game but i'm not sure this is the place to do it jalen naylor leading the team 5-124-1 on six targets Justin Jefferson and jordan addison just did basically a whole lot of nothing um averages depth of target for those guys are super low so um i don't know interesting spot to be in for the vikings here who j j j jing mccarthy jury continues to still be on him but like you said prior just give them a little chance give them some time here you know we just we don't need to know right now basically yeah we don't have to have all the answers so

bad uh fumble on kick return for the vikings here kind of messed some stuff up but they also had seven fall starts at home right like we see fall starts is like a road road penalty right like it's like you can't hear it's too loud dude cadence is off right some of that's got to be on I guess, like something happened, seven fall starts at home. That's just absolutely, absolutely bonkers. So Ravens have a little bit of bears going on here. Like defensively, they've made some shifts, but they're really relying on turnovers defensively to get it done.

I believe it a little bit more because they're better than the bears are at generating pressure. They have more talent across the board defensively. But, you know, that gets a little bit, a little bit tougher. Actually, the Ravens are going to start to, like, be a real pressure team. They're going to be able to get a ton here. I mean, the Draymont Jones move was good. good Mike Green started to play really good ball Kyle Van Nuoy is back like they start to have like assembly line of of edge rushers that can come in and get pressure

and what's going on with them this week with the uh where are the Ravens oh they're so they're on the road in Cleveland it's nine nine and a half between eight and a half and nine and a half like I don't know I mean you just mentioned though like the run yeah like Brown's first quarter, Brown's first half, Ravens game type of situation where like four quarters for the Browns with their quarterback situation is probably pretty tough. But yeah, I don't know. Jenkins, Jenkins might be a look here.

They just, it was crazy what, and we'll get to the Browns a little bit, but yeah, I think that they, they're next. You can go ahead. I mean, they just kept running into loaded boxes. Like it was just like, like the Jets knew, they're like, all right, well, we're going to make Dylan Gabriel beat us through the air. basically. So there was like eight plus guys in the box it felt like every single time I look up. Whenever there wasn't, Judkins would run for like 10 yards. It'd be great. The problem

was it doesn't matter. Second and nine, eight guys in the box, seven guys in the box. They were just like, well, run it for back to the line of scrimmage. And then Dylan Gabriel would, you know, throw one in the dirt or miss someone or occasionally he had Jerry Judy a couple times. But I mean, he sucks. He's just so bad. The Jets, I mean, a very bad secondary at this point I would say not a good run defense and so they just made it work because they knew matchup wise that the Browns can do anything else and they just didn't care Tommy Reese was like we're just going to jam the ball so felt good about my handicap about Judkins overs and alts and he got the ball a ton and did nothing with it because they were just running jamming into

loaded boxes it seemed like yes another spot where some weird kickoff stuff like back to back and they had like a punt return for a touchdown and kickoff return for a touchdown all of a sudden this game is is flipped wildly um again just another insane spot where you're like oh jets scored 27 points yeah the quarterback did not have combined a hundred yards more more justin fields shenanigans uh i think both these teams have i mean obviously no aspirations for moving on but like have to kind of figure out you can't continue to roll out either of these quarterbacks much longer i wouldn't think no and that i mean Fields bought himself another week almost certainly, right?

Because they won. No thanks to him, but they did win. Old school, like, former player coach situation where, like, the win is good enough, right? Like, that's kind of the mentality there for sure. But then now, let's see, who did they have this week? Looking at Patriots this week? Thursday night. I mean, he's going to be in trouble.

Like, the problem is, like, they're not going to be able to run the ball, so it's going to be a lot of Justin Fields. So I'm not taking to Justin Fields under, I don't think, because, like, He's going to have to throw the ball a lot, probably. I mean, we'll see what it comes out at. But, like, when you put him in those positions, he's at his worst. Like, he's for sure at his worst. Yeah. I don't know.

He's been pretty bad. He's been pretty bad. And I would know Gary Wilson probably, too. It was just like, I don't know, he might have just given up. Like, you just kind of look like he was just riding loafing, riding the bike on the sideline, you know, like mid-game. I mean, I don't blame him. I mean, I wouldn't. The ball is adjusting.

throwing or not throwing because they don't want to throw the ball either like he didn't have many attempts so like what 11 attempts 11 pass attempts is crazy for 54 yards it's yeah Cleveland dominated time of possession I mean yards it's just the big two scores 14 points off of of you know special teams plays in the first quarter like that's a different changes the entire complexity of the game you know you go from there it's a team that's definitely okay not asking to get much out of him and he's very willing to give you you know very little anyway so yeah uh what is it 11 points 11 and a half points on Thursday night yeah yeah no we've crumbed out to 13 on pinnacle uh just kind of off market 11 and a half pretty much everywhere else

minus 110 so uh get to chasing you want the patriots 11 and a half's probably looks like 11 and half is leaving the station here pretty soon so Yeah, are we going to get a, let's see, oh, well, I guess Fandle posted, started posting some other stuff, but they don't know who's going to start for the jet. So they only posted Drake May's number and not Justin Fields number. Whatever it is, it'll be bet down. So if you're trying to bet the under, for some reason you're trying to bet the over, like, what would it take for you to bet an over on Justin Fields? Like 100? 119.

Yeah, like we're like 115, 119. I probably wouldn't take it to be honest. I still wouldn't take it. The problem is he could get benched. I was about to make the case for that. I think both of these quarterbacks, their unders are, I think, really,

really live every week now, regardless, because there's legit chance of mid-game benching. Yeah, I mean, and sometimes they just, like,

don't bake that into the numbers, it seems like. We had it with New Orleans a couple weeks ago. Yeah, New Orleans, Cooper Rush, before the other time when he got benched.

Yeah, you know that one. Yeah, I don't know. worth noting going forward for sure we'll see what it comes out at yeah it's kind of it's kind of in that territory it feels like um all right new england on the road 28 23 uh big win against tampa tampa off the by uh just kind of felt like a situational spot it was going to be a tough one for new england and i don't think i've done it's a good team i think it's another situation like i was talking about even with the bears where you have kind of a young squad at least from like a leadership

standpoint and starting to believe. I think it's a team that believes that they're a good football team. Kind of that mentality of head coach. Drake May is legit. Got some juice from the rookies for the first time. Bold Trayvian Henderson and obviously, shout out to you.

We played Kyle Williams. It didn't take much, but we got there with a 72-yard touchdown. Yeah, they're just, like, island of misfit toys in terms of past catchers, but now it kind of feels like everyone kind of has a role and it works. and pop douglas again was like the long or i mean his average of the target was not long but

he did have like a 30 yard catch yeah um but only two catches um two targets on 31 of past times here mac hollins was like kind of surprisingly their ex but played pretty well yeah um so you can't really be too mad about that and then digs was like the short intermediate guy i think they'll probably use Kyle williams more on like situational spots and then that makes sense as well so yeah i mean that's i i the big story though is traean henderson breaking the two long runs looked good i mean any kind of juices they get out of him i don't think he's still don't think he's very consistent like on a down-and-down basis i'm not sure that he necessarily he's like good at getting what's like ass of him or like what he needs to get but like if you

need a you know 50 or 60-yard run maybe um yeah i mean that's like he's your guy for sure and he's certainly more explosive than any other other other back so that's exciting excited for the past to have a running game there because i think it really helps unlock a whole new layer for them and just like ability to win like kill games basically at the end of the game because that's an underrated aspect I think of winning football games to be honest just like grinding the clock for a couple minutes and getting out of there instead of putting pressure in your defense especially with you know dray mace continues to take a ton of pressure the offensive line has kind of been in the middle of the pack and you know if there's no real

threat for you to sustain drives or you know run the ball especially as it gets colder playoff situations you really have to do it to be a balanced team defense is just continuing to play really good they get three corners that are getting and done. We got a young inexperienced duo at safety that are playing well. They got a mix of pass rushers like it's a good team they're not going away and again

I mean the schedule coming up here coming off of this Tampa Bay game the Jets the Bengals the Bengals game gets a little tougher because it looks like maybe it's Joe Burrow you know at Cincinnati and then the Giants which

you know We should have Jackson Dart back there. But, you know, Jets, Bengals, Giants here before the buy with, you know, still Jets and Dolphins, week 17, week eight to finish out. You know, tough games against Buffalo and Baltimore. But current favorite, like, plus 220 to be the number one seed in the AFC, right? The other two teams who kind of touched on the Colts and the Broncos and why we kind of doubt them in some of the situations.

Patriot schedule, though, undoubtedly easier. And again, they get troll the destiny there with that Buffalo game still at home. Yeah, I liked your number one seed bet. I think that makes a lot of sense. Pat's number one seed in the AFC. I did, I felt like, you know, when I was watching, I thought Ibuka kind of cooked Gonzalez a couple times, which I thought was interesting, which I don't think really is, I don't know,

matters all that much. I think Ibuka is just really good. Yeah, like that. Bigger had some dimes in that game too. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, he was just like putting it perfectly in between coverages. It felt like Ibuka was just like running over the middle and was kind of like putting in in between two or three guys.

and then also, like, he was winning against Gonzalez a couple times, which, yeah, he just might be really good. So it's only caught six of 13 targets. It's just probably, it's the big plays that we remember, obviously, finishes with six, one, 15-1. So, I mean, paths are still a good defense. I don't know. I mean, the past defense, I think is good, but not like,

the run defense is like elite right now as it stands. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, Jones and the slots have been playing awesome. You know, Carlton Davis, he joked about it. like when we picked him up like he did not at not point and no point his career missed um less than four games at any point in his career like just there's going to be a stretch where you miss carl davis for four games so knocking on when it hasn't happened yet um thought it happened earlier and he came

back and that same thing is the buffalo game i came back so yeah if he'd stay healthy um you know he was up for that one he wanted to he wanted to go back to tampa and win and they took care of business so all right now Seattle 44 Arizona 22 not as close as that score would tell you though you know good for the Cardinals for continuing to fight back but this is what like 35 zip in the middle of second quarter 387 at the half a bunch of garbage time cardinal stuff but Seattle's a wagon and I cannot wait for Seattle uh in the Rams this week 12 pass steps for Sam Darnold crazy that that's like a thing because

well they had two basically identical strip sacks on Jacoby Brissette where he was like drop back kind of started like his wind up to throw the ball and then like I'd hit him the way back so it was fumble return for a touchdown and just like that it was yeah 21 zero in the first quarter and like and then they had like a couple good offensive plays and it was basically the game was basically open like it didn't really matter what happened the rest of the game here I was I thought there was a chance that like

starters might be pulled quicker to be honest but like Arizona started scoring a little bit you know, in garbage time. So I love that. That was kind of interesting. Didn't matter, though, because the game was already over. So I don't think there's too much to take away here. If you gave Seattle a full, like, game here,

I think that they would have absolutely annihilated this Cardinals defense. Basically whichever way they wanted, they were running for like eight, nine yards of pop with anyone, basically, they gave the ball. Yeah. Yeah, Seattle's legit. And fun, again, a real litmus test this week going on the road. in to Los Angeles, two and a half, mostly.

There are some threes that are, you know, just a little bit on the Seattle side. Yeah, we can, you know, jump into that one too because the Rams took care of business against the Niners, 42 to 26. It's another dominant Rams performance where they're just cooking, right? Like, that's another, you add Devante Adams to the other side of Puka with a healthy Matthew Stafford.

This is what we're seeing. seeing a legit MVP candidate is the favorite he and Drake May are kind of separating themselves and I think it's uh makes a ton of sense seven and two in the ram side again important game this week yeah these are two of the teams that I think you've been you know pounding the table on for like buying low basically all season so now they meet I mean it's about what I would expect like two and a three point favorites for the Rams I'm not really sure I think this is yeah good test for the Seattle defense and vice versa here for the Seahawks offense which is my just like cooking with JSN and you had in Shaheed I think he didn't have to do anything

saying like through the ball 12 times he had two carries for 20 yards those are his big place yeah imagine you swap Cooper Cup for Shaheed on that play like the one long play that they had and were I mean ideal uncorrelated game script there yes um so that's tough tough there but yeah I don't I don't know if I want to bet this game I think I might just want to like watch it and see what happens yeah yeah fun one in the late window too because the rest you know We have Baltimore, Cleveland, and San Francisco and Arizona. So the NFC West is going head-to-head both rounds. It's kind of like what they did to us this week.

We just kind of isolate sometimes you get that late window game. They do that. I feel like they do it on purpose. They like to kind of jam in a couple of, you know, stinkers, give us the big game to watch in the afternoon. So, yeah, it's going to be a great one. I also don't have a lean. I mean both match up really well against each other. We'll just kind of see what happens.

The Rams are like the perfect scenario of what we're talking about where how good coordinators just figure it out, right? Good play callers just feel like this is the team I have right now where this is the matchup that I have and our advantage based off of our roster and how it presents itself to the other team. And this is what we're going to do. And this is what we see with this spike in 13 personnel that we're seeing with the Rams and just like, well, yeah, McVeigh always runs 11 until his team is better suited or you're worse defending something like 13. you know, it's just, it's just cool to watch. And instead of like, this is what we do, stop it, figure it out, you know, the kind of like the Shanahan stuff that we've had in a few years in the past. It's like adapt to what your roster is, adapt to what the defense does well or doesn't do well,

an attack. And that's how you get, you know, 42 points pretty casually because I think the Rams could cook for even more here. Yeah, and I think, yeah, I mean, like also too, like Terrence Ferguson is going to be, I think, a good force for them next year. he's still a little bit raw this year dropped one had a good 30 yard catch um but they're using him like a vertical threat he's like a demario davis or demario douglas they were like what the heck's going on yeah sure let's just use him for like 30 yard a dot type stuff it's crazy because he like

i mean wasn't that at all in college at organ like i mean he kind of i mean they did use him a little bit deep they could through a couple of times but he wasn't he wasn't like vernon davis or anything like ripping the seams all the time so um yeah it's with higby Higby is going to be gone next year. He's like contract is up and, you know, so I would assume T-Ferg is a big force next year. But for this year, it's like, yeah, it's, I don't know, maybe the Rams have to throw more.

It could be like a ceiling game for Stafford here if like Kairn in the running game has been somewhat efficient. But, you know, I don't know. Maybe it's a good chance to take some unders there and overs on passing yards for Stafford. Niners, six and four. But again, at Arizona, Carolina, Cleveland, before the buy,

they come out of the by, Tennessee. They got to go to Indy, and then they get the Bears in Seattle. So, again, this is kind of the entire handicap on the Niners to begin with. It's just, it's, they're not legit. They're not a real threat, but they're going to be in the playoffs because the schedule is just too easy. Yeah, they're going to win, what, 10, 11 games here probably?

Yeah. And look forward to betting against them in the playoffs. Yeah, I like, I mean, Mack Jones, by the way, has just been continues to play. fine like he's fun fun to watch good attitude you know just like the team's kind of beat up um i think he very much could be depending on how things shake out like he could get into one of these like camp battle situations and like a daniel jones and and take a job or you know go into a spot with a rookie that they you know maybe someone slides in the draft and they don't want to give him the

ball right away and all of a sudden you can get four or five starts next year like i feel like he's or not right now you know before you get that next deal next situation totally you know who knows could be a raiders quarterback next year i see that another bridge another bridge just one bridge to another yeah yeah brady you know you know tries to clone himself uh and brings in mac jones you know i mean if he already cloned his dog like you know you can why not you know just to the lab on yourself you know get yourself out there It would be like Chad Powers, you know? How do we know what has an R he's, the process on as an R.

He's like, the dog thing is a feeler socially, morally. Yeah. Because he knows he's baking in the oven at the place, you know, and just kind of wait and see how the public reacts to the dog thing before he unleashes. Actually, my oldest son is not my oldest son. He's me. Yeah. I was actually kissing myself.

Oh, man. That would be ridiculous. I'll never fully turn on Tom But yeah He's a little strange now It's okay It's tough man It's tough

All right Detroit wins handling on the road 44 to 22 It's kind of what we thought You know What happened in this game It was good to see that gear For the Lions

Amir Gibbs Go to the game Give him the ball a bunch Good things happen Jameson Williams Go to the game too Give him the ball a bunch And it can be pretty explosive

But you know the commanders feel like they were playing out the slate, Marriota. Run the ball, buddy. Like, come on, run the ball. That was one of the ones that I felt that sucked that we lost. Got yanked in the last couple minutes, too. They put in John Johnson, one yard away from the prop,

was on pace basically the whole game. And so that one hurts. I mean, part of it was they just didn't run that many plays. Like, they couldn't stay on the field. Yeah. You know, Chris Rodriguez started the game over Girovsky-Marit, got injured. They were basically even in carries before that. So no idea what to expect from that going forward.

Trailand Berks got on the, you know, on the board here, 58 yards, three catches, you know, not dead yet. Debo, maybe it's over, you know, four for 29 in touchdown. Looks fine, but it's just, I mean, they're kind of just packing it up. They did make a change, though, before the show. Dan Quinn now going to be defensive coordinator for them officially. So, like, he'll be calling plays defensively, which could be. probably help i mean i don't know it they haven't been playing very well defensively at all it seems like so also pretty injured yeah um yeah it's just tough well again there's part of the you know

fade commanders thing for the start of the year was that i thought that's sort of old defense and a lot more questions and answers and last year felt propped up a little bit on by magical season from from jane daniels and if he's not going to give you a full slate of games and this can go south pretty quickly and we've had it now twice right where these you know extended miss time they're three and seven the buy staring them in the face they got to go to miami first who's frisky right now and uh then they get the buy so three and seven season is over for the commanders yeah they're playing overseas too for that game that's right actually yeah that can be very easily like a game they just don't show up for um we're looking at yeah

two and a half one hundred dogs to miami yeah that's that's i lean towards miami i don't of Miami, but that's probably a lean for Miami, especially if Miami's run defense continues to play well, then you're saying Marcus Marriott has got to drop back and throw the ball the entire game. Not ideal there for sure. Secondary hasn't played well. Miami's shown some pulse and running the ball. So, yeah, I would probably two and a half Miami. I can't believe we're saying this, but I lean towards them. Yeah, it's probably the right side. Duron pain, right, not going as well. He got one game suspension. So, yeah, paying. Each is playing well.

super well um also on the lion's side too thought it was notable they stripped john morton of play calling duties which you know who could have seen that coming are a guy is you know play his history and like it turns out to be a total bum and then dan campbell comes in calls a bunch of crossers to jameson williams goes five six for 119 a touchdown um gibbs crushes montgomery plays you know does dave montgomery stat lines gets what's needed of him and nothing more pretty much. So, yeah, I mean, offense looks good. Maybe it was matchab based, maybe it was Dan Campbell based.

I choose to believe that it's probably a little bit of both. So we'll see how it does going forward. It's actually we've got a good, it's a soft early window. It's not a lot of good football games in the early window next week. But the afternoon is pretty nice, actually, because we not just have the Seattle and Rams game. We also get Chiefs Broncos. And then the Sunday Nighter is good.

Sunday Nighter, we get the Lions Infant. Philly. So it's interesting to see what Philly looks like tonight. You get some guys back defensively. You know, obviously some additions to the trade market back home, shorter week. But that's also an interesting Sunday night game with the Eagles currently one and a half point favorites where it's posted pretty healthy total. 48 and a half, 49. So I definitely want to see what we see from Philadelphia tonight before. But that should be a good Sunday night football game before we get Cowboys Raiders on Monday night.

So at least they do a good job giving us some good Sunday late afternoon and evening action. They keep wanting to test us. Like what kind of bullshit can we make you watch, you know? Cowboys Raiders nationally. Like, you know, those are like just like two of the teams from the 70s. And like so just a lot of national, you know, and Cowboys Raiders, Steelers are such like national teams because they were just kind of the OGs in the 70s when football exploded. So those teams are, they'll always do numbies.

All right, last game, Sunday night football was the Chargers 2510 or the Steelers. You know, two teams that just week to week are kind of challenging to handicap. I thought that the Steelers were going to be able to get a ton of pressure here against kind of a beat-up Chargers team. But the defense really showed out on the Chargers side. They ended up getting a ton of pressure. I would say maybe the worst Aaron Rogers game of the season here. And, you know, Herbert didn't have to do much in terms of just play volume and, you know, kind of, again, There's so many mouths to feed here.

McCawkey was the guy. Just no one really on volume, but, you know, big plays and touchdowns. Kind of control this game. It's kind of a boring football game. Yeah, it wasn't a whole lot going on here. I had this one on my phone while we're watching a movie. Just like some of the Highland games, I just, you know, I'm like, I don't need to hear what they're saying on the TV here. I'm going to, you know, can tune in what I need to.

Missing Collinsworth, you know, just drooling all over himself three or four times a game. Yeah, right. Come on, Eve, at all. 25 carries in this one. It was like two weeks ago, he was the absolute workhorse, came back last week, basically split carries of Jared Patterson. Then again, 25 out of 26 running back carries this week. Didn't expect that, that's for sure.

Rogers comes in, just stinks. I don't know what happened there. You know, just like was not a good game for him. And no, yeah, I mean, no Kenneth Gainwell on the ground. It's kind of interesting, too. All Jalen Warren and then a little bit of Caleb Johnson there. I don't know, just kind of a weird. this is kind of the time of year where some weird stuff happens this is just i mean

stealers can beat a lot of teams and it can also lose to basically anyone and obviously chargers are more than just like in anyone but they're certainly in their current form not i would say a very good team yeah i mean think of the steelers and they do this all the time i always have these just some random games this isn't even that but like they'll they'll lose a game at home and they like they needed everything in that jets game in week one to get that game and then they they won in new england and they uh they be the colt yep so i don't know lose to the bangles lose to the bangles yeah yeah no idea no clue i think we got where we talk about the bears i think they're their team they're like the bears could beat them by like 20 and i wouldn't be that

they're playing two weeks could also lose them by 20 like i you know like this is a game where we have no idea we're going to get from from these guys yeah so cincinnati this week i don't know if it's going to be borough i would imagine borough probably not if you didn't see the news borough back at practice 21 day window opened for him to return so we're interested to see if they how quickly they run that back but um yeah i mean very much very much could be him this week in pittsburg but um we'll see uh pittsburgh again they get the bengles game then tough full stretch at chicago home to the bills at baltimore um yeah this is why you look at the current odds to win the uh a fc north and uh again you have a team

with a losing record comfortably uh comfortably leading here which is what's where we at now uh oh that's the a that's the a fc minus 220 on fandle for the ravens best odds best odds 280 other places it's nuts i mean i don't i mean i don't hate it i guess like what would i mean aren't the bengals have a 1% chance to make the playoffs right now so like i don't even know why they're bringing burrow back to be honest i know ego pride yeah stupid coach trying to save his job i guess you know probably it's always like yeah it's the misalignment of coaching and ownership and gms i got these old ass owners who were like yeah and they're like all right well i can do that better if i put my star quarterback

there you know and even though reality is like the season's over for them so you get dayball or you know might be daniel in there calling place like oh my god dable and jemar chase and joe burrow i mean there'd be 90% target charity to yiggins and joe and jimar chase yeah no one else would see targets it'd be awesome get a defensive mind and head coach in there and then just you know give the play calling keys to one of those guys that could be I'm sure Bengals fans would love, love, love, love, love that one. So any other, briefly, any award stuff, do you want to highlight or anything that you want to take a look at in terms of awards or futures, anything you got?

We touched on two. We touched on the Mayo Show. I like Rayv out a banger that I think our audience deserves as well. Yeah, the, so if you go on draft kings, you can click on like win totals, like live win totals. Titans under two and a half wins, I think is a really interesting one. It's plus 140 right now. Titans, I mean, they play like two bad teams at this point, which is like the Saints and the Browns. They're worse than both of them, I think. And so, I mean, winning, they'd have to, and they only have one win right now. So to be clear, they have to win two games,

two more games rest of the season. They play a bunch of pretty good teams. And then two, those are the two worst teams they play. I think they're worse then. So like, maybe they win one. I'd be really surprised if they win both, and you're getting plus 140 odds to do so. So, yeah, I think that's a pretty good look here at DK. I would say, should be even minimum. Maybe I would even say, like, juiced under probably. Yeah, they play Jacksonville in week 18. So there's no scenario where, like, Jacksonville doesn't need that game.

You know what I mean? It's not like a situation where you're going to have a, you know, a team laying down for anything. And they had the only spot where they're going to be, I don't even know that they'll be favorite in any of those spots. It should be road dogs in Cleveland. and I would imagine if they're favored against New Orleans, it's probably less than three. And I think I agree with you like New Orleans

better than in Tennessee right now. So yeah, that's a good spot and the price is fantastic. So it's a good, it's a good call. Yeah, whatever you can get down. Plus also you don't have to wait. I mean, you have to wait until the end of the year. But like at this point, we're already half we do the season. So I've got to wait another, whatever, eight, nine weeks.

Yeah, for sure. Nice. Yeah, I mean, I talked about, But I like the Pat's number one seed, again, kind of where they're at. And the other eight and two teams, I don't buy as much and their schedules are a little bit harder. So that kind of works out well for them. You know, they're kind of sitting at the top of a bunch of the award markets too. Like Rabel's now the leader and coach of the year, number one seed, their favorites in the

AFC at Drake May, kind of right there with Stafford. I'm always fascinated by how that plays out in the market and how they want to like reward. the team and what they deem to be a scenario is why i really do think like the stafford MVP stuff makes a ton of sense because if you're telling me that it's you know veteran matthew stafford against second year drake may and MVP i can imagine a lot of old school MVP voters are like it's like a career achievement award for matthew stafford who's been really good never like great i mean obviously they won the super bowl um that defense was fantastic too but like a scenario where, like, he's been good for a long time.

You can give him an MVP knowing that, like, Drake May feels like he's going to be around for a little bit longer. Again, awards are so narrative-driven, as we know. So the Stafford angle on the MVP market, I think, is also pretty interesting. Jonathan Taylor, third on the odds board. I mean, six to one, as short as $4.50 on Sears. I just, I don't know why we're still doing this. He's not going to win.

He's just not going to win. It's a separate conversation about how awesome he is. is like he's like minus 400 to be offensive player of the year like that's his award yeah it's just like almost guaranteed no well not a i mean yeah basically his at this point barring an injury i would say yeah or sucking down the stretch only interesting ish MVP like kind of long not even longer shot but like if the seahawks win this week Donald's 10 to 1 um and they just you know heaps playing really good and they cruise they win they have the number one scene, the NFC, and he continues to play a really good ball.

Again, it's tough when he's not putting up the counting stats that Stafford is. But again, if they solidify and win that division, win that conference top spot, that helps them a little bit. I just think he'll be shorter than 10 to 1 going into that game or coming out of that game if they were to win. Yeah. Also, yeah, I think that's a good one. I really don't see any other on the board, honestly, right now.

I was thinking maybe like if Chiefs in my homes make a run and just like win a bunch of games in the row but they would need to like kind of win out i think the rest of the season um yeah or you know something like that and then remember back when we were talking a couple weeks ago baker mayfield was like third favorite something like that now he's down to 30 to one just wasn't sustainable what was going on so just such a telling yourself moment for for people or we just didn't understand how these things work so why is he not the favorite like it's just it's not decided today not over yet um he's been awesome but it's just like it's just not how it works so um yeah i don't know i stafford at three to one is not a bet i'm like dynamite but i think he's the deserve

favorite and i think a very very very uh viable viable option there so if that's your thing you want to kind of get in the market it definitely feels like a good look so uh defensive player of the year is interesting too we shifted uh miles garrett comfortable favorite now um plus 180 uh plus 185 i mean look miles here is the best defensive player in football so like no reasonable person is going to argue against this it's just he's the best defensive player in the league if you want to give him that award every year you can do it's like giving michael jordan MVP like just sure right okay we just like don't have a lot of scenarios once in the last 20 years where a defensive player the year was on a losing team uh was jose

Jason Taylor back in 2006 or 2006 with the Dolphins. Head coach Nick Saban, by the way, which is fascinating. So typically in the scenario, you would think that he'd have to break records-ish, just kind of have like a crazy, crazy good year. He's awesome, but he's not like setting the sack record. So it's fascinating to me. I don't know how to attack it, but I think it's interesting that he's now the favorite. Yeah, I'm looking at it right now.

I mean, he's so, him and Brian Burns tied to 11 sacks so far this year, but we have nine, one fewer game played for Garrett so far. So they've already, you know, had their, or he's, you know, won fewer games. I think that's interesting. Nick Benito is down in nine and a half. And then Byron Young, yeah, Byron Young is nine, nine sacks there. So I don't know. I mean, I think Byron Young is very interesting in this market. I think Byron Young and Leonard Williams for the Seahawks are interesting because they're tied to good

defenses again they can team success matters um fire young is just i don't know he's not the name value of jerry adverse he's been better than jerry versus awesome but like brian young's been just as good it's 75 to 1 i mean you probably seem to go on a run and have a couple more sacks yeah and then it's possible but yeah miles garrets is making headlines because he's the only one doing anything on that on the team it seems like oh they also have the defensive rookie the year leader currently Connor your boy swesinger your boy swesinger swesinger yeah yeah it dropped i touched on on the show yesterday in the morning before we get started i was like hey carc sweshester is playing they thought he was going to miss maybe a month with a high ankle sprain and he went from

like four to one down to like 15 or 16 to one he goes out and plays and balls out against the jets and now he's the favorite and that feels like a two-man award nick emmonoree on seattle who's playing awesome also attached to a great defense that hasn't been such a team success award you could be on a stinker of a team and just be the dude and get it done so that's why i was okay but even betting swessinger but um that feels like a two-man race like jod campbell is sliding into a part-time role with nicoby dean back and abdul carter's been good but doesn't have any real counting stats and that team sucks so um kind of a tough spot so it feels like that's a good good spot where if you have none of that right now you can come in and get a little bit of

the memoir and Swessinger and probably be catching a ticket in January. Nice. I like that. Yeah. What did you get, did you play in the Discord, right? I was initially like 50 or 60 or 60 or something? Yeah, I got 60. Yeah. 60 to 1. Love that. Hopefully you get run pure the next

month and a half, two months here, and we can get that home. It gets the Ravens on Sunday. Tackled Derek Henry and Lamar Jackson a bunch of times. It's getting another 10 tackle day and feeling pretty good. Yeah. So, all right. Appreciate everyone hanging out.

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