Move The Line - Move The Line - Week 16 Betting Recap & Week 17 Early Predictions!

Episode Date: December 22, 2025

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Hello and welcome to move of the line presented by Sharpstack. Ryan Nunes here, as always, by Connor Allen. 16 weeks, almost 16 weeks in the books. We had a Monday night football game here, Connor, Wilds, Wild Week 16. What's going on with you, buddy? Yeah, not a whole lot. It had a tough week of props, but overall still, you know, keeping it together. Some awesome games on Saturday, an awesome game on.

Thursday um just like insane start to finish week uh i mean this is why we this is why we love the NFL you know it was incredible it was some of these games we're talking here like the thursday night it was so good feels like a lifetime ago it's just coming off a full sunday two island games on a saturday the holidays just there just feels like there's so much going on it feels like so long ago but yeah it's been a absolutely insane wild season just you know, 50,000 foot view kind of stuff. I was looking to, I went through show notes. Like my show document that I use for this has all of our shows for the entire season.

So I have all of our, all my notes on this one document from our preseason shows. So I'm like, oh, I want to look at what were they to make and miss the playoff odds for some of these teams. And I went and looked because we're in a spot right now where we're probably, barring a couple of miracles. The Chiefs, Ravens, and Lions are all very, very, very unlikely. Chiefs, obviously not to make the playoffs. And I looked at our odds, you know, parlayed it. If you were to parlay those three teams to miss the playoffs, 57 to 1,

we'd be laughed off the air. We came in here like, yeah, not only are we going to bet on these teams, we're going to parlay them at 57 to 1 to miss the playoffs. crazy crazy season that's nuts i mean that's like yeah i think that there were paths to think to think okay maybe the lines don't win the division probably the shortest they were plus plus 160 to miss the playoffs yeah and then like the chiefs just like lost a bunch of close games didn't really do anything early in the season then the booms injury is like the nail on the coffin for them but like it's like i don't even know fifth percentile 10th percentile outcomes for all

three of these teams um you know just like really really low outwires here it felt like but you know it's it happens like it happens almost every year where a team that no one thinks is a chance uh ends up making a run and then vice versa yeah hard to pinpoint it but it is wild to see you know obviously lots of different things to influence that you know ravens were not a team that you and i thought were going to be out of the playoffs we definitely didn't feel that after a couple of weeks too we felt like man that starts to rule pick they seem to be like an absolute wagon uh yeah well i guess we'll get to lamar the ravens in that game uh for sure but again want to remind folks check out sharpsack if you have not yet already done so

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We're going to bring back an old friend, our guy, Stu. on Monotone football. I'm going to join Connor and I next week, or this week on Friday for props. So come back 3 p.m. Eastern on Friday. But biggest takeaway, Connor, I mean, again, when you think back some pretty massive games

on the week 16 slates, a couple of obviously noteworthy island games, I think, too, but what kind of jumps out to you in week 16? It's tough to pin by one or two things here. I think probably the biggest takeaway would be that the Bears continue to win, uh, despite all odds against them, despite playing terribly for large chunks of the game to sit like the string of quarterbacks that they played against this entire year is just been, I mean, completely outrageous. He, like, it's kind of lost that they played against

Malik Willis for like half of this game or three quarter of this game. Like, Blake Willis is not a very good quarterback. He played really, looked pretty good. He looked pretty good. He played pretty well. Look, I think that's more of an indictment of the Bears, though, than it is about like how good Malik Willis is. Now, he's strung together a couple of good games now with LaFleur with the Packers, but it was largely nothing prior to his time in Green Bay. But yeah, I mean, the Bears just keep finding away. I don't think it's sustainable.

Could they win a playoff game? Maybe. Winning multiple, I would be really surprised, but obviously clinch the playoffs here and have a legit chance to win to be the number of one seed and are very likely to be the number two or three seed at this point. It's such an important game because with their schedule, again having to play

San Francisco next week in San Francisco and then they get Detroit in week 18 like there was a real chance that the Bears even though they're jockeying for the division jockeying for the top seat in the conference that they could have missed the playoffs you know if again now that we know that the Lions lost

it's a little bit of a different dynamic but they lost that game that was a real real possibility so kind of a crazy crazy game Jordan Love with a concussion wait to see what his impact here is for week 17 but yeah i mean awful loss i think for them we got the full caleb car wash right like just some insane uh athleticism extending plays missing some layups and then it's just absolutely wild i mean the dj more

throw at the end was i think pf said today i was like their highest grader throw of the year uh absolute time to DJ Moore just an insane insane football game yeah I I mean it was an awesome throw I don't I don't really understand how they quantify that being the best throw of the year versus other ones I mean it was an amazing throw don't get me wrong but there was also been like his other one to DJ more was outrageous too like last week last week you know I don't know I mean I don't know they have their own methods but it wasn't an insane throw and then the touchdown to I mean also too without Rome without Luther burden yeah um Like you're throwing a Jaday Walker, like, you know, a bunch and then DJ Moore, who I think is good.

But they're not a full strength there. And so, yeah, I thought all this was like, they're just scrappy, like gritty team. We talked about it with like well-coached teams in the past of like, okay, this team can win even though they're not great. That's kind of where I would lump the bears into right now. Like I don't think that they're on paper a very good team, to be honest. But like they win games because they can just, they can make it work. yeah i was telling you earlier i heard today uh on uh bill simmons the bears are i think the i don't know since like 1970 they now have the most wins

going into the two minute warning of the fourth quarter trailing they have six wins this season when trailing heading into the two minute warning uh of the fourth quarter which is just absolutely insane from a down to down standpoint success rate some of these like you know I think tried and true advanced statistics defensively. It's just not, it's a below average defense. It just is. But they are opportunistic. I don't know how you quantify like, you know,

obviously creating fumbles is a thing, interceptions that's, you know, there is something to that. There's just also a lot of variance in fumble recoveries and interceptions as well. Onside kick rate, recovery rate is so low. And to get it in that scenario, in that case when you need it, absolutely wild and they continue to kind of

make their way that way. That's, I think, why we feel like it's unsustainable, but they deserve some credit. They are getting healthier. I mean, they did lose Chauncey Gardner Johnson in this one. It would be interesting to see what his status is, how healthy he is. They did get you know, Tremant Edmund's back, you know, T.J. Edwards is back. They are getting a little bit healthier, but it's still, it's still, I think,

an average to below average defense from a down and down standpoint. But here we are. They might have the number one scene. Yeah, they just play aggressive. Like Dennis Allen is maximizing everything. So it's fun to watch. Again, just like, well,

part of the problem is though, too, is like we've talked about out like, oh, they play good teams to get in the playoffs. Like, I don't really think that there's that many dominant teams anymore right now, honestly, like, where we're at. So because like the eagle, they beat the Eagles. Like the Bears just thoroughly. What's them?

Yeah. have murdered the Eagles. I think they'd have trouble with the Rams or the Seahawks. But like the, I think they could very well beat the Niners just based on the Niners, like, I mean, half their defense being injured, you know, permanently. But I do think that the Niners offensive are going to have a ton of success against them this upcoming week. So it's, I don't know, I think it's a pretty interesting, interesting matchup there. But I think that they're, I mean, is it crazy to say that they're like the third, fourth,

best team in the NFC right now? I mean, after what we've seen, which is crazy to say, but, like, I don't know. I mean, it's tough to argue much otherwise, unless you want to put the Eagles, like, well above them, even though it was just like a bad game, I guess, an off game for them. It just continues to be the one sport where coaching can really separate. And I think Ben Johnson is really good, not flawless, not perfect, but very, very good. And puts his team in position to win. as often as possible from a down-to-down standpoint.

And Caleb has, I think, showed that there's just a ton of upside. If Ben can polish him up over the next year or two, I think the future is exciting. That's kind of where I'll continue to go. I know it's really going to be hard for Bears fans in particular to not get their hopes up because it's been so dark for most of the, I don't know, 40 years post-Super Bowl shuffle bears. that when you start to get a glimpse

and you have some of these things happen, it's hard not to get really excited. But I think, you know, level setting expectations from where you were to start the year, you wanted to get a sense that Ben Johnson is the guy and that Caleb is the guy. And I think you know that moving forward. And it probably is, you know,

a pretty exciting time to move into being embarrassed fan for the next couple years. Anything I think this year is gravy, but we'll see. They're in a really good spot, obviously, with the, you know, hosting a playoff game, at least. So we'll go back to the Thursday night game. This was absolutely insane as well. It seemed like we're going to have more.

Sam Darnold, big moment, just absolutely collapsing. I mean, this win probably chart tells you all you need to know of what happened here late in the fourth quarter where you had at one point Rams with a 97% chance to win this football game. Another scenario where onside kicks come into play, any thoughts on Seahawks 38 Rams. 37 o t thriller uh from thursday night uh yeah i was worried about sam in the first like path again i was like oh this is it like he he looked really unsettled like he just like kept throwing off

his back foot and like it didn't look good for a large chunk of the game and then they just pulled it together and i don't want to put too too much stock into this game overall like i still have some concerns about like just darn old in general like in multiple big games in the future but they're a good team. Their defense is good. And, but both, I mean, the main service offenses here, both offenses came to play. Stafford with 450 yards is just outrageous. And I don't know if, while the Seahawks have a lot of good players, I just, I mean,

it's obviously clear that they don't have anyone, any singular player capable of stopping Puka and collectively, whatever game plan they, they had did not work out in that way. So I think they'll probably adjust some things if they play. they end up playing again at some point. But I don't know. I mean, there's two both very good teams. I don't think I have too much more to add, to be honest. Yeah, I feel like I came out of the first game.

I feel like both of these matchups, I felt better about the loser coming out of it. Like I felt like the fact that the Seahawks had a chance in that first game to even be in that game, considering the darnal had four picks in that they needed, the Rams needed a last second field goal to win. And then obviously the Rams were a buzzsaw, like in short-handed, you know, without Devante.

Adams and to be able to really just get it done with puka dominating time possession especially in the first half like i think donald had six attempts you had goose eggs across the board for json who still gets there still manages eight balls 13 targets and you know almost 100 yards in the score darrell ends up you know with 34 attempts uh you know a lot of again got it done late he got it done when he needed to uh late fourth overtime they look really good so um yeah these are i think two of the best, if not the best teams, especially in the NFC. I would love a third matchup at this point. So it would be very interesting to see kind of what shakes out.

Now, all of a sudden, Seattle's at number one. But the 49ers have a really interesting path now, too, to be actually the division winner, which is kind of wild. I feel like we've, not that we left them for dead. I think we knew that they were going to be in the playoffs from the jump in the preseason because their schedule was so easy. Yeah. But in terms of actually being a NFC championship contender,

Super Bowl representative of the conference, I haven't been there really at all. But that actually might be realistic. They're going to have to boat race teams and probably score upper 30s or 40s to get there. But it feels like that's, you know, maybe someone we'll see it coming out of this Monday night or this week. But yeah, these are really good teams.

Not surprising. I'll be interested to see to your point how they adjust with Puka. I don't think they had Devin Wynn. Witherspoon the first matchup, I think they maybe need to let him chase Puka around or do something. But again, that's good coaching, right? That's Sean McVeigh saying, like, I know you know how I'm going to try to beat you, but I'm going to find unique ways to get Puka in the right spot, in the right matchup

and take advantage of it. So, yeah, good teams. Philly wins on Saturday. And I had no lot of takeaways for me. I did not think that we would see much Josh Johnson. But again, there's some of the quarterbacks this week that we saw that I never heard of even before. So it wasn't really sure what to make of that. But I guess they hung a little bit.

But again, I don't know. We just don't have the level of gear that the Eagles seemed to have last year still, even though Barclay looked decent. No, 10 and 5, still terrible vibes, I would say. Yeah, I would be, I almost think like the Broncos team that ended up winning the Super Bowl had similarly bad vibes and was like a good team with Peyton Manning but like just couldn't win a lot of games and then it just happened about making it run in the playoffs I think that that's still within the range of outcomes for this Eagles team because they do have a lot of good players um they just haven't really been able to pull together from Bob's standpoint now I mean this commander's team is

not even worth talking about with Josh Johnson to be honest like they're just left for dead they got nothing left um so it's it just felt like a game that was basically over from I mean pretty quickly even though the score didn't reflect that always yeah totally agree um two very unsurious football teams continue to fight for what seems to be kind of the last remaining playoff spot which is fascinating like it felt like over the last couple of weeks we were going to be in for some like insane like high leverage football games in week 17 and 18 because there was so much to play for and it feels like we've had some of these games here in the last couple of weeks but the way things have played out uh we're in a spot

here like if we look at like playoff probabilities you know this is current standings for both the afc and nfc using the athletic new york times playoff projection this is current standings but if you look at like projected nothing really shifts in terms of actual teams it just is the playoff the seating uh the only thing we don't know at this point is really who wins the nfc south uh because the raven's loss was really impactful that on top of a steelers win against the Lions that impacted the NFC as well with the Lions dropping back again like I said it had been very interesting with what's going on with Chicago and Green Bay in Detroit like probably two of the three make it but the Lions kind of took care of that themselves this week so now again

we don't even really have a Steelers Raven sweat we don't really have a lion sweat like it's just there's no path forward for the NFC South loser to kind of back their way in just kind of a weird finish to what seemed like it was going to be a pretty dramatic, you know, last couple weeks, but, uh, this game was awful. I mean, I, I, I thoroughly hated this game. Like I, I, I, every time I watched it, maybe it was because I was trying to sweat some Mike Evan stuff, like the bucks going like run heavy here just drove me up a wall. Um, Evans couldn't really seem to get open from J.C. Orrin a lot. It seemed like he was just kind of locked up a lot of the game. Um, and I just continued to nothing that the Panthers are very,

good football team and they keep to keep winning games and similar to the jaguars uh they keep showing us like maybe they are better than we think or everyone's just even worse i guess like that's like what it seems like more to me but it's yeah this was this was a this was a tough watch for me to be honest i'm willing to eat it a little bit of the jaguars obviously we'll get there but i'm not taking an ell on the panthers being a good football team like it's it was a rock fight and remember early when people were like really mad

about Baker's MVP odds in like early October. Yeah and now he's not how it works and now they've lost six of seven and they got everybody back like they have an absolute you know really good wide receiver core but

I don't know Ibuka is barely out there at this point he's you ran 15 routes or something like that it was like super low it was like 30%, 40%. Yeah, running behind McMillan, Evans and Godwin.

It's just a weird, weird game. It's like, oh, yeah, they're 26 attempts from Baker. I mean, Tampa or Carolina must have dominated time of possession and run all over them. Well, no, look, 15 rushing attempts for, you know, 15 change from their two backs. I mean, you almost had Bryce Young as the leading rusher.

Just a weird game. but now they hold the lead here and they meet again in two weeks it'll be an impactful week 18 game because nothing else matters we'll get flexed and we'll have an island game of the panthers and bucks almost assuredly so we'll have to watch rock fight 2.0 in you know primetime because there's nothing else that's really going to matter i don't think in week 18 oh that sucks that that that puts a damper on my my day and that's you know yeah like i i yeah just did not like watching this game and now we're going to get it in prime time yeah it's it's not good uh bills play with their

food a little bit continue that not really be like there was a lot of i don't know just felt like national media coming out of last week's game against the patriots was that we've gone back to crowning the bills it was like are we i don't know i just don't i get that the they literally have the best player and that matters plays the most important position balls in his hands they can't really stop anybody um and i think that's going to really matter when you get into the playoffs it tends defense tends to matter a little bit more in the playoffs you're playing better competition but this was not a good josh performance either uh just not a lot of uh positives other than a win at the end of the day just got to kind of check the box

and move forward and the bills did that here any takeaways from buffalo 2320 in cleveland yeah just another like underwhelming team and like the i think it's criminal what past catchers they've given josh allen kinkade only ran like 20 and 28% of the routes 29% of the routes and he's like one of their better past coaches cleo secure is like nowhere near a number one he should be like a just a slot three for most you know good teams um and i mean it's just like tough when they play any reasonably good defense they struggle there now they did run the ball i mean cleveland's shown a little bit more cracks in their running defense like in the last I don't know, six weeks or so.

But past events-wise, there's still a good team. Shitter continues to be super volatile. But this Bill's team is tough. Eagles, dogs against the bills, like, the way the Eagles are built, I think the Eagles could score a pretty big number here on this Bill's defense through the ground and then some big plays, AJ Brown. I don't know. Maybe I haven't done all my research for next week, but I kind of think the Eagles can win out right.

Yeah, early look there. Bill's two and a half point favorites total between four. 43 and a half, 44 and a half, which is interesting key numbers there. But I kind of agree with you, too, even if we have some, like, poor weather conditions, I feel like, you know, Philadelphia is equipped to handle that. It's important as Josh Allen. I mean, James Cook's been awesome this year.

Balling. Absolutely bawling. Explosive, you know, I think we'll continue to see his past game usage spike up here as we get into important game season. But yeah, it was not a great, great, Bill's performance. Eagles should get back, Lane Johnson and Jalen Carter, I would guess, too, which is like dramatic, like just, I mean, the most impactful players in their team outside of, you know,

Jalen Hertz probably. For sure. Yep, huge one. All right. Chargers. Again, another team that we like just, I think we continue to, just bypass in a lot of ways. I just personally haven't taken them very seriously,

partially because they've dealt with so many injuries. Justin Herbert has been hurt for most of the year. I mean, when you lose all pro book in tackles and like Herbert's taking 45, 50% pressure every game, that feels like it's going to be something that's hard to sustain. But no sacks, right? I don't believe that there was a sack. Yeah, no sacks for,

Dallas in this game, which was not what I was expecting. Amarad Hampton is back. He's running well. Again, none of the guys, receivers, tight ends are really like emerging week in a week out,

but like seems to be someone every week that steps up and gets it done. They're a really interesting team. I think they're going to be annoying to play. I think Jesse Minter coaches his face off every week. They're suddenly 11 and 4 and probably need a little bit more attention than we've given them.

yeah i i still worry about the whole line and maybe like i mean we just see time to time they play someone um with like any reasonable defensive line and then they just get i mean they have a really really tough time doing anything offensively and so like i mean the the cowboys without quinn and remember were like just a terrible terrible defense and then they've kind of started playing better at least run defense wise the last like since they got him um i don't know if it's necessarily all been on him but it's you know it happened to coincide basically basically identically when they got him. And so you mentioned like Plants of Hampton stuff, potentially.

Quinnon was out and, yeah, I mean, they ran pretty well. And I think that helps with everything, basically. So I, like, I agree. I think they're a good team. I just have some, I think I have some concerns about the longevity if they play, some of the tougher teams. Yeah. Herbert's got, you know, some, obviously some questions to answer.

Actually, this week in particular, they host the Texans. It isn't one of the impactful games of the week. The Chargers are between one and a half and two and a half point home favorites. Total just short of 40. Now, again, tough matchup without your offensive tackles based off what Houston can do. And we remember last year coming in, that was, you know, that playoff game where I was just a long off season. Justin Herber having to answer the questions of what happened in that game against the Texans there. So impactful one, I think we'll get some answers on who these teams are a little bit more.

more, but that's definitely one of the Bellwether Week 17 games. Any early thoughts there or anything else on this one? Yeah, I'd probably lean towards Houston there. I mean, we're looking at like the last couple weeks, basically, like they played Dallas, Kansas City, who's, you know, essentially checked out the Eagles who I were missing Jalen Carter, I think, at that point, and then the Raiders who don't count for really anything. And then they got smoked by the Jags.

And that was like the, I think one of the games has stuck with me a little bit there. And Herbert had 81 passing yards in that game. So that's tough. So, yeah, I mean, there are always a threat for that to be in the range of outcomes, unfortunately. But they've also, you know, I mean, they beat a couple of good teams. So it's, I think this Houston game is going to be a great litmus test of like, have they figured anything out on the opposite line? And if they can move the ball, I think reasonably well, I think that's probably a positive sign for them going forward.

Yeah, the Eagles win two weeks ago. That was really impactful for them. And it was like, wait a second, they're still just kind of kicking around. Maybe we need to give them a little bit more attention. Again, that also impact the Eagles. So the Eagles get that win. They're sitting in a nice spot, too, especially if they go to Buffalo. They would have been back in the spot for the number one seed in the NFC.

And that did not go that way. So I don't know any takeaways from 296 saints win against the Jets, except Tyler Shuck may be good. And that was second. Yeah, Tyler Shuck could be good. and what's the rookie of the year? Is that you looking up here? Yeah, offensive rookie of the year.

Wow. Yeah. I mean, I think he could win. I mean, two more good games, he'll be like favored, probably. I think he's live too. I think this should probably be shorter. I mean, Ted had a good game in the big game for them. But yeah, I don't know.

I feel like he can, again, he at Tennessee this week for the Saints, another spot where Tower Shuck can have a nice a nice line in the season I think he gets the Falcons yeah Falcons in the division week 18 we know the other division game so he gets

he gets the Titans and the Falcons to finish like he's in a spot where he should be able to put up some numbers so that'd be that'd be nice it's good for the good for the Saints they're kind of like directionless it felt like for most of the season

don't really have any good players that was kind of the problem is basically Chris Olave he played well yeah yeah um so he he nuked and tyler shug has played really well so i think that's like good they have like some building blocks to the future for what seems like the first time and i don't even know with i assume camaro is going to be done or you know do something else at this point maybe

he sticks around who knows and then tasem hill 12 carries 42 yards for his like home game final home game of his career or something like that he said which no one predicted because he's done basically nothing and not been involved for the last month do you think he's involved next week i've been thinking about this already like do you think he's involved at all next week or is he just total zero look at this box score one for one 38 yard touchdown pass he ran the ball he led the team with 12 rushing attempts yeah 3.5 of per carry he also caught four of six targets for 36 yards that's insane in sync box score for a 36 year old utility what not coming off of major reconstructed knee surgery.

He hurt his knee last year in like week 18. I mean, I thought he was going to be nothing this year at all. And he ends up being an insane, you know, week 16 contributor. So yeah, I don't know. I don't know how much he's going to be involved. I'm going to reach out to the, you know, the people in the know and see because there's one way or another there's going to be value on Jason Hill. If he's involved like this, again, there's definitely need some value on some overs.

there's also a legit chance that he just doesn't play and it's like or plays like you know he runs a couple routes and then that's it and they just did this for fun because they could essentially yeah yeah because they can just really you know an interesting game

we have 49 attempts from from Tyler shut even in a positive game script just again kind of going back to like the Bears situation where you feel like maybe you got an answer quarterback they're going to be picking not at the very top of the draft because there's some really bad teams

but you know you don't have to I don't think they need to worry about chasing quarterback in the first round and I feel like they have an answer head coach so those are I think really important questions building blocks right this team hasn't had those answers and they've been routinely like just in tax salary cap hell for a very long time hopefully they can back up a little bit again don't really spend a ton get

yourself out from under it, then you can move forward and get some questions. So we've got to hit their draft picks that they do have, but please, Saints, don't spend a ton of money in free to see. Don't sign veteran starters for above market value, like a Justin Reed. It's safe. Like I just, you know, figure it out. Another team that might have, I don't know what to make of the Giants at this point, 1613, a loss at home again with a lot of Max Brosmer involved insane that we basically went

in the entire first half without a Jackson Dart completion someone who's sweating five and a half catches from Wondale I mean he did get more than half of the 13 targets but like is what do we do with Jackson Dart I mean look at what is this box score seven for 13 for 33 yards he ran twice for seven yards like I understand we want to not get concussions every week but like he's got to still run a little bit I don't know really weird Mike Kafka end of the season for jackson dart I would guess that ownership has stepped in and just been like just don't like you're not our coach of the future like you know like you're kind of just babysitting this till the end we need to do everything possible not

knocking him hurt and just like basically get out of here um and so i that's what i would guess like there's no other excuse in my opinion for like what this was um like yeah like yeah i mean they were losing i mean there was technically neutral game script but it's not like the minnesota run defense is like super bad or anything like you know they were not super efficient like yeah for a little bit over four yards per carry um i don't know man i i i really think they like like something happened here and like i have no faith in dart or anyone like doing anything honestly like the rest of the year maybe that's wrong but i it seems like they've stepped in or done something you had what two yeah two rush attempts assuming both are scrambles right yeah yeah it's

it's it's kind of crazy um not a great box score uh you know what actually someone mentioned something though like i don't remember where i heard this but it was that like dable was fired because he couldn't keep Jackson's Dart healthy. Yeah. Like not like, obviously he was probably going to be fired anyways, but that was like the reason that they were like

sent him out of there early basically. We're like, yeah, if you can't keep Melby that, which would actually line up with this, whatever this is, you know, like. I don't know what this is. This is, I mean,

they only have Jackson's Dart because they all caped up for him. Yeah. So it's just, it's very bizarre. It seemed like a pretty, I don't say serious injury for J.J. McCarthy, but it seemed like one that might cause them to miss a little bit more time,

so we might get more of the Brosmer for Week 17. That's one of the Christmas Day games. So Merry Christmas. You get a Lions Vikings game. What a tough draw for these island games on Christmas. Dallas against the commanders, which might be Josh Johnson again. Yep. Dallas, nothing to play for.

Minnesota against Max Brasmer I mean the lines against Max Brasmer and then you get Netflix game Broncos Chiefs which again they probably thought it was a banger they probably paid a lot of money we're really excited to get that one and it's like rough

yeah you got Broncos 13 point favorites the Chiefs just looked lifeless with Gardner Minshue against the Titans which is awful and then they put in who is the quarterback that they put in like a ludicon or something like that yeah was not familiar with with his game um so he bounced around in multiple colleges for a handful years i believe he was a day three Steelers draft pick a handful years ago did not know that he

was on an NFL roster uh don't remember much of his college stuff so me neither i'm looking right now yeah seventh round 22 NFL draft yeah uh south florida for the last two years or no first two years of his career um and then i guess ended up up at like Samford or South Dakota State, I believe, that's where he finished. So, yeah, I don't think that that's very positive. I think at this point they're probably just, I don't know, calling it a day. Pretty much. I thought that could happen here where there's a scenario where it's just kind of unprecedented

for this Chief's roster to be in the spot where they're playing in week 17 and it means nothing. They don't have their quarterback. Either the bottom could drop out, the bottom dropped out. Real fast, obviously it was complicated by the, the men's shoe knee injury you got good news it sounds like no acl but definitely something that's going to cost him a couple weeks but i mean yeah like what is this like this is another one of the box scores like what is this like i was watching the game and it was again it was hard to watch it was

one of those like i don't know what's going on here um like this this is not the NFL that i signed up to watch you know i mean it's pretty rough um yeah I mean, I had it on. I didn't watch a lot of it, I'll be honest. I don't think I missed much. Yeah, because there wasn't, like, anything to watch. I mean, Cam Ward, I guess, played okay. I mean, I don't know.

This feels like a week 18 game. Like, if it happened in time, it just disappears, like a lot of week 18 games, but we got it in week 16. So, yeah. Chief Titans, ladies and gentlemen, yeah. And we get, again, Chief's prime time this week. Another game that we don't have to dig too deep into. I like the Dolphins kind of finally quiet quit a little bit

After they've been battling for a little bit 4521 No Minka thing I think was really impactful here in this matchup Burrow kind of did whatever he wanted to Until he was you know pulled late in the game But it was just a ton of of Jemar Chase over and over again Caught nine of his 11 targets there You know eight chain popped a big one early

And then they had a hard time kind of sustaining drives It just didn't let Quinn Ewers push the ball very much. A couple of, like, bad turnovers in this game. Darren Waller got our parley leg. He got 40 yards. Yeah, he did. And I was like, oh, 27 yards. Waller is so, so like, I'm going to play it.

Didn't share it with subs talked about in the show. I could have used the win in the win column. But yeah, Waller, caught five again. Dulcesters was involved more, but yeah. it's continued the trend of tight ends against the bengals like the random tight ends against the bengals always just have nuked dulcich gets there too three for 46 waller three for 40 who do the bengals have this week it's Arizona so we can go to oh man I mean trade McBride and Elijah Higgins Higgins is the play yeah yeah like I mean bride's already a price to like a hundred yards so we'll play over 13 and a half on Higgins or whatever he's going to be he had a decent game i think actually actually they did the next game Arizona in Atlanta uh we see I it's got seven of eight targets for 91 yards where was that

a couple of weeks ago that you know I mean we over like 10 yards I know he couldn't catch a single ball um and then now he's out of your ball and I mean I guess good for him but that's kind of surprising yeah they they crushed or he crushed um falconsing this is the first win as a favor in quite a while right there was the mayo thing like he's you know better the falcons when their dogs fade him when they're favorite but uh Arizona playing out the stretch there a little bit a lot of Bijan I get the live bed Bijan I think like over 30 and a half receiving yards in this game when like Arizona got out to a nice little early lead like 10 zip I felt like all right bejohn's gonna be pretty heavily involved as soon as I clicked they come back

first play he scampers for like 45 yards uh let go that was fastest live been in cash that I've ever had in my entire life that one felt really good so he's been a monster I don't think we I mean I wouldn't worry about usage for some of these guys until next week but even some of that is like case by case so we should probably get a full yeah you think they're using a little bit more like

Alger like just kind of working him in a little bit I mean 16 16 yeah but like also in positive game scripts like Alger I didn't you know I gotta go back and see the distribution of like when he was used but yeah it's a good point it's a fair point it's just the bejean stuff is like for you i would just exercise caution to fade just because he's so explosive right so yeah i would fade usage you know fade rushing attempts or something like that more so than than yards for a guy like that yep all right fascinating one here jacksville

3420 uh braggos had won 10 in a row they had not lost at home in a long time and look I don't want to not give credit to Trevor Lawrence but I feel like Lee and Combe deserves a ton of credit here they are getting it done without basically anything from Brian Thomas Jr. They leveraged, I wouldn't say to leverage their future but they gave up a ton of assets to go up and get Travis Hunter in the draft. He's out for the year.

We're getting it done here without like what we thought were going to be there, one and two. And Trevor Lawrence, I think without a doubt, played his best football game of his career in a really meaningful game. They're now 11 and 4 in the three seed and still have a puncher's chance, a little bit of an outside chance since the Pat's won. You know, to at least win the division, maybe you'll be the number one seed. And yeah, they look good. I just can't believe that, like, we started the year with Brian Thomas Jr. and Travis Hunter and we're like, oh, this is it. This is the combo.

And there was some level of like Brian Thomas Jr. got hurt and like didn't really seem to mesh with Liam Cohen to some extent. And then same with Travis Hunter was like just not really working. And now we have Parker Washington, Jacobi Myers and Brent Strange just like crushing. I mean, I always thought Parker Washington was underrated, but never thought that he would be, you know, three-xing Brian Thomas Jr.'s targets in a game. So and Jacoby Myers out here just, you know, catching all the all the short. out here it's it's it's interesting and like i guess cool to see them evolve right because like we think we've counted them out for a long time specifically i mean specifically yeah i guess both sides of the ball really like defensively and offensively no 1,000 percent um yeah but

they keep winning i'm still not sure they're good Connor i'm still not sure that they're good yeah i i think they're uh good enough and again i this is like goes back to like coaching right like who is Liam Cohen has spent a lot of time with Sean McVeigh over the last five, six years. I think those things matter. I think Sean McVeigh is in a really small. If we're looking at, you know, not a VR Mount Rushmore, but like an actual Mount Rushmore of current head coaches,

you can't make it without Sean McVeigh. And, you know, Liam Cohen was his offensive coordinator for a number of years. So I think he's getting the most out of the best. of Trevor Lawrence who obviously has had a ton of natural skills we just haven't seen it we've seen some pretty below average quarterback play from a guy that's had some pretty lofty expectations and uh finally seems to be kind of meeting the moment so they're they look like they're going to be a feisty out um bolex was okay but like that's kind of i don't know he wasn't bad he wasn't

good and wasn't good enough in a trailing game script um even though you know that's kind of kind of how they've been all years, been in these spots where they've had some of this bears almost fourth quarter magic, or they have a better foundation, um, you have a better defense, but they've gotten by with a lot of just insane wins against below average football teams in the fourth quarter and they couldn't get it done this time. Yeah. I mean, it's tough. Plus, I mean, you got Pat Bryant probably out for the rest of the year. Yeah, that's scary. Whatever happened to there. Um, the running games never got going. They threw the ball. yeah 47 times had like what 15 16 rushing attempts there um yeah it's that's as tough for them

yeah uh let's see what do they got this week uh jacksonville is on the road in indy they are six and a half seven point favorites uh just just just interesting we should handle that but we'll see yeah that seems light considering it's philip rivers but uh we'll see we'll see i mean i think it's late tonight too i mean that's interesting that that's six and a half seven i mean do you think i don't know power rankings have the jags basically a point better than the niners is about what's telling us based off of tonight's line i guess so it's i mean i don't know if that's true but um maybe power ratings wise yeah yeah all right uh let's see what do we get uh this is a wild wild game

I just don't know how Pittsburgh wins football games ever looking the game's over I'm like what what happened how did we get here 27 to 41 for Aaron Rogers who you know playing's a pretty good ball doesn't really like put the ball

in position to have big plays happen or you know turnovers happen I we couldn't get any rushing game going for the Lions, which is something that we never see, and there's not anything that we've experienced all year against the Steelers. Teams have been able to run all over them

at will, so that's probably the biggest surprising takeaway. Obviously, it was a little bit of the ref show at the end with a couple of pretty crazy calls. And then, you know, the Steelers, be interesting to see what happens with D.K. Medcalfe, who decided to go in the stands and,

you know, punch somebody in the face midgame. So. He has to get suspended, right? Like, I mean, you have to. You have to. You can't I hit a fan. Yeah, like, I mean, that is crazy. That was crazy.

I think you could not hit a fan. I think a fan could run on the field mid game. And if you, like, just absolutely just knocked him out, you're probably still suspended maybe. I don't know. Yeah, right. That was in the stance. Like, you grabbed him, jabbed him, and then just walked back to the sideline. Like, nothing happens.

Yeah, well, I mean, I would guess he's done for the rest of the season, to be honest, just if I had to guess, like two games probably serves it now. he shouldn't fight it. Just take your owl and go from there. But this game overall, yeah, I think the biggest takeaway was the Lions couldn't run the ball. And then when you put the game in the hands of Jared Gough, who actually played pretty well, I think it just increases their volatility much more as like a team. And so, yeah, 54 attempts is not where you want Jared Gough and this Lions seem to be. On the Steelers side, like Jalen Warren played awesome, had two big, two massive runs for touchdowns.

And so that was cool, cool to see. Kenneth Gainwell had like a long catch. That catch was just like ridiculous. It seemed like honestly the Steelers would kind of just run pure, hit a couple big plays, and then the Lions couldn't run the ball. So when you have those combination of factors, I mean,

where the Lions are most vulnerable. Still a good team, but outside looking in for the playoffs, I think. Yeah, they are, look at their playoff. We can look at the odds to make the playoffs. But if you just look at the playoff pitcher here, we go to Lions, less than 1% chance to make the playoffs.

um it's just not right we got to have them win out um and then still they're at a 12% chance to make the playoffs so they have to win out and then up what we would need packers bears to lose both games basically right you would need let's see if that gets us in um ravens beat packers and the niners beat the bears then you get you head into the last week with the least a puncher's chance the lions then beat the bears and you would need the Vikings to beat the panthers. So yeah, that's what you need. That's the lion's path straight up to beat the Bears in week 18, have the Niners beat the Bears and then you basically

I don't know, you would need the Vikings. That would be wild. I want the lions in the playoffs. They're fun, but looks unlikely. Yeah, I mean, when you lose games against the Steelers, it's tough to

tough to recover from that too much. And I do think that, I mean, it didn't look like it for a while, but I do think the loss of, I think, Ben Johnson was a big one for the lines, just like offense, like kind of lacks some of the creativity, I think, that they had with Ben Johnson. And some of the, it's like, I don't know, like sustaining power, I think, offensively,

just kind of missing from the Ben Johnson era. They're still good, and they still a lot of good players. And Dan Campbell, he's no donkey, you know, offensively, knows what he's doing. Also, like kind of the, you know, dabbling in whatever office coordinator they hired in the offseason, I think was kind of a failure too. They really need to bring in someone who can kind of, you know, I mean, they need not maybe another Ben Johnson, but someone kind of similar to that because that experiment earlier in the year didn't really work out. Now they're kind of, I mean, now they're basically toast, the lost three of last four. I think both those penalties in the end were probably penalties.

The pick play just seems, it's getting called more this year. It just seems a little inconsistent. And I think Jalen Ramsey did a good job selling the pushoff on Ammon Ra on the very last play as well. It's another one that like kind of, when the receiver like kind of drives in implants, that often doesn't get called either, especially in the goal line. So I don't know. It would have been, you know, it would have been crazy. It would have been like if they counted that as a touchdown and without like, didn't call the PI.

because they didn't really blow the play dead even though it was definitely dead you know what I mean like because he lateraled it back he took like whatever three four steps back held it and then like kind of tossed it like I assumed it was blown dead but I don't think it was and so they ruled it a touchdown but with PI then the game is over so like I mean I think that would have been crazy too as if they were like oh actually like they just didn't call the PI and they called that a touchdown because I mean that should have definitely been blown dead at some point so yeah I mean we we buried that in the Thursday night opener it was the craziest two-point conversion i've ever seen in

my entire life i still don't know how that happens there was a whistle i don't know how in any other scenario like you can't advance a fumble but in that scenario you can advance the fumble which wasn't a fumble i don't it was a fumble because it wasn't an incomplete pass it was absolutely insane it was nuts there's someone i was with someone uh like this weekend and they were like like why you know why does it feel like the you know refs are just like you know doing this this then i'm like well because there's like infinite scenarios of things that have like never happened that like you can't really write into a rule book that are like you know like strictly so like refs are just kind of like making up things as they happen like based on the rules they have and some there's certain

scenarios that just like have never happened and you're just like all right well what do you do now if someone gets one foot in and then start bobbling the ball and then like you know then crosses the line but then has two feet in but then drops it and he doesn't make it the ground like it's like the catch two weeks ago who is it like it was um i don't remember exactly it was someone in the end zone and they like caught it oh is it likely he caught it got few steps in and then like got swiped out and they didn't call a touchdown like i don't know i don't even know what the rules are anymore for any of this stuff um so it's it's just it's a crazy world because that was a like the rules official said that's a catch if it happens at the 50 yard line right but in the

end zone you have to take you have to like take two steps and then have a not even football move but like a finishing type move like you needed to then secure from here and like proceed to tuck it or I don't know it's it's so weird that the rules are different in and around the end zone that's the same premise with a two point aversion like yeah typically would not have been able to like Sharpenet could recover that but he wouldn't get it there would have been like down the spot like I I don't know. But here, no, it's a lie ball on a two-pointer and two points, even though you technically did blow a whistle and the Rams stopped.

So crazy. Crazy. This is also crazy. I wanted to, like, really believe that the Texans are legit. I think the Texans still are legit. This is a bad showing for them. This is a bad CJ Stroud game. They struggle to run the football, obviously, without Woody Marks here.

really couldn't get anything going against a really bad Raiders team that showed some life. You know, this is a, I don't really ever think that I thought that the Raiders were going to win, but they were definitely in the lead later in the game that I thought 23, 21 Texans Raiders

as just kind of a throwaway look-ad spot for the Texans who were reading the press clippings or do you make anything of it moving forward? No, there's just a lot of problems of this Texans team that like if their offense isn't clicking and like if their defense slips up at all which they did a couple times this game the big one to ashen gentie obviously was was massive there they had another big play to jack bash i remember earlier in the game so you let up a couple plays and then they run the ball reasonably

efficiently against you which is also new relatively new for the texans who played good run defense then you know it's you're not quite the wagon that you were thankfully the raiders are not a very good team and so the texans still squeaked out a win despite playing i would say one of their worst games in a while you know like this this is where they're shown a little bit uh showing some holes on this texans team here yeah and again we know they're on the road against the chargers the raiders are in one of the other more impactful games of the week 17 slates they are battling and hosting the giants with the top pick in the draft on the line they are currently the top two you think you think either of them like like throws it is it uh what would you say

Raiders? Giants Raiders. Oh, I think the Giants are throwing this for sure then. Based on what we saw last week, I'll go Raiders here. I think the Giants are going to lose this game. You know, early market opener was Giants minus three on the road. It's now swung to Raiders minus one and a half. So I don't know if the reasoning is the same as yours,

but the market seems to be in agreement with where the markets move here. So, yeah, I mean, and Jack's dark question has got to be answered. The Raiders obviously don't have any long-term answer at quarterback. So you'd rather just be in the top spot and be able to decide if you want to take a Mendoza or if you want to be in a spot where Dante Moore comes out and you want to be well-positioned or something like that, you definitely would rather either way have the ability to have the more equity in the pick and be higher up. For sure.

Do we, do we have odds right now? Yeah, Mendoza minus 200. Dante Moore plus 275. Mendoza is probably short at this point, considering, I think early in the year we're talking about the Titans probably getting the number one pick. Now at this point, they kind of played themselves out of it. It seems like, so looking at. I think Mendoza is a pretty good bet at minus 200.

Yeah. It's crazy, but yeah. Yeah. Yeah, we don't advise laying juice two. early but I think that that's like when this all you know said and done it's probably going to be like minus 500 or minus 500 in like a couple weeks probably you know what right at least that'd be my guess I once we know that it seems like there's a pretty good chance that Dante more goes back to Oregon yeah once that becomes official which I think is

going to happen like Nike's going to throw a ton of money and like yeah like just how that's going to go I think there's enough questions about him coming out if he goes back to school then it makes it a little bit cleaner and Mendoza becomes the guy. More importantly, Kevin Jennings is returning to SMU so we get another year of that before he starts his career as a salesman or maybe something in insurance probably

but one more year, baby, let's go. If he's in for the long haul, you know, we just had, you know, Ola Dukin or whatever make his way into NFL games. Just hold on, Jennings. Just get in there. He'd be a lot more fun. than that guy. I tell you that. It'll be a lot more fun

than some of the shit quarterback play that we got going on right now. Getting in camp, man. Let something happen. Go out and win it. I'm still worried about the Texans. I still think they're I still think they're legit AFC contender because the AFC feels completely wide open.

There was a Sunday night football game. It's pretty electric. At least in this household, 2824. Drake May gets it done against a Tyler Huntley led Baltimore Ravens team

it's just fantastic I mean that Kyle Williams ball I was excited Connor that was nice it was nice so real quick I don't I don't want like I want to be the last

person to do this I try not to do anything like this because I am sitting in a air-conditioned house at a desk and with multiple computer screens in front of me in suburban Chicago. I am not a professional athlete.

I don't want to question the, I don't know what the right term is, the chutzvah of a professional athlete. But we have, we have a guy quarterbacking tonight in Philip Rivers, who's 44 and is strung together with like just grit and determination, played an AFC championship game,

on multiple blown knee ligaments. I'm not saying that a knee in the back didn't hurt or wouldn't hurt in the ribs. I'm sure it hurt a ton. You're playing for your season. And again, without knowing the specifics, it seemed like pretty weak move for Lamar Jackson to leave that game

and not play. Yeah, I don't disagree too much. I mean, like you got to power through it, I think, to be honest. Like, you know, we didn't, I wasn't the one who took the hit, but like, unless you literally can't move, it's like you should be, find a way to be out there because if you can move enough to get your uniform off to put a hoodie on to come and hang out on the sideline with your team, you were like, you know, taking that, like doing that type of motion even.

Like, like, you play ball, dude. Like, your team, like you are up against the, backs against the wall. your only shot really is for you to go out and play and win. And like when your coach at halftime says Tyler Huntley can do everything Lamar can do, that's an indictment on the current version of Lamar. That's not like, oh, we're fine with Tyler Huntley. That's a, Lamar currently is limited

and we're not good enough. And, yeah. I mean, didn't run a whole lot before that either. Like, he just hasn't really had the same explosiveness. There's obviously way more going on behind the scenes that we don't know about. And I think this is just like, he's probably stacking injuries at this point. It's got like, you know,

three plus injuries and like you know he's getting hit in the back and he's like all right well you know just take me out of this like and end the misery which is probably you know definitely lacks grit but um I would guess that's probably why he's he's out 100% Steelers one earlier um yeah I don't know I just I feel like again I don't like this type of analysis and I know it's like you know clicky hot take he's not it's not who I am side I think who we are side we typically do stuff and I don't want to be questioning his toughness it's just seem like man i don't know it just seems like you got to stay in that game in battle um but if you're like yeah stacking injuries this one hurts i'm already pretty limited this makes me even more limited

i don't know uh as a patriots fan i was very excited to see him out of the game it felt like it was only a matter of time where uh they were able to do something again with the limitations that new england's defense currently has i'd rather have tyler hunt me in there and that showed up in the second half so totally and then the ravens didn't give the ball to derrick henry like at all after a while which is very strange a lot of keaton mitchell done the stretch especially against the patriots whose run defense has been legit bad since they lost milton williams who i think is coming back next week or should be back next week yeah and that's that is massive for them because i think that was like i mean a legit concern it's kind of how the bills got the best of them in some extent too um or at least

you know for a while and so yeah it's like i don't know it's tough derrick henry obviously I ended up with a good game, but I think they should have leaned on a little bit more down the stretch. Patriots at one point, I feel like we had lost like seven or eight starters slash high volume snap contributors during the game.

Multiple offensive linemen, multiple interior defensive linemen, which were already depleted to start the game. There's a lot of wheeze in here from me, so I'm sorry about that. But very excited about this team. It's a very likable team.

The Patriots have not been very likable. or I'm sure for you if you're a non-patriots listener you like screw you they haven't been likable in 20 years totally fair I get it but you know Craig May Steph Diggs you know Matt call it's just there's a lot of fun guys that are easy to cheer for here so hopefully they get healthy in time for the playoffs they get the jets and the dolphins they're going to I think be able to do their part to get the number one seed I think they're just going to have a hard time catching Denver at this point who should be able to take advantage of Kansas City.

And then they get the Chargers in week 18 and the Chargers could be in a spot where they're locked into their playoff seed and the Chargers could sit some guys in the second half and makes that game a little less interesting. So Patriots, we need the Chargers to go ahead and beat Denver in Week 18 to get the number one seed. And I don't think that's going to happen. So either way, division should have the two seed, should host a playoff game or two. And they're in the mix.

and I think that's all you can ask for. Again, kind of another level up from the Bears as a Patriots fan coming into the season. I feel like we had the coach. I knew Mike Variable was going to be a guy and I was excited to have coaching my team and I think we got all the Drake May answers and more. So to be an actual winner,

I still don't think the defense is good enough. I think they need more consistency from Steph Diggs, who definitely likes bright lights. So my hope is that like playoff game, Steph Diggs is different than, you know, noon Sunday slate, Steph Diggs. And hopefully Travion is nothing more than just a little concussion that you come back and do his thing.

But you're exciting. All right. Anything in the futures do you want to touch on before we wrap? I was just like generally thinking as we went through all these games, like this is one of the few years where I feel like just like a lot of these teams are not wagons. And we talked about it really. Like there's no Mahomes led chiefs that's just like has been good.

But you know it's going to turn it up a notch in the playoffs. or anything like that. And so in the Super Bowl market, like, I don't mind taking stabs at, like, you know, the Packers who I think are going to make it, but, you know, are not officially in. It's 16 to 1. I don't think that's a bad look. I mean, if the Jags play as well as they did before, they're certainly going to make a run in the AFC.

It's like 17 is the best odds there. But even the Patriots at 10 to 1, I don't mind either. So, like, I would avoid laying the chalk here. I think the Rams are probably the best team, but I certainly don't feel as good about them as I did like any of the other, I don't know, Chiefs team. teams in the past or like you know we don't know the fc championship game before the playoffs start this year agreed yeah it felt like great coming in the season and once we've had in the last couple years it's been some combination of like all right is it buffalo or baltimore that gets to

play in the city right so um we two of those teams going to be removed so um yeah i think there's i don't know i feel like i don't know how many things teams do you think could be in the NFC before an AFC team is favored over them? I know look at these odds. Like is Buffalo favored against Philadelphia in the Super Bowl? Yeah, probably. I think so.

I think so. I mean, they're, well, I guess what are they right now? Two and a half point home favorite. So it'd be like, true. Pick them. I'd be like straight up like maybe minus one in the Super Bowl like pick basically. Yeah. I think whatever they, home field advantages basically, I think shifted from like,

well, like two and a half, like one and a half now, I think. like that same thing like denver philly's probably favorite yeah slightly i would think so i think i also think philly could yeah i honestly don't mind them honestly as a team that's like on paper a legit really good team did they just have like terrible vibes right now and then you know maybe win a couple games things change change pretty quickly i mean they won that washington game if they win against buffalo that would be i mean you know a j brown's not writing things on Instagram anymore and you know like yeah not crying anyone i know know patriots fans can be insufferable the philly fans are absolutely the worst

oh man like first of all you guys won last year's super bowl you were currently the defending super bowl champs you're like in these games up by double digits and if you go on twitter you just very easy to stumble into just a bunch of philly fans bitching a moment and about the offensive coordinator and like all this different stuff it's like you're 10 and 5 defending champs you're going to win the division host playoff games again and like you can't just stop yourself from complaining all the time it's it's i love that they were booing the that like during the bears game they were just like the obvious was getting booed off the field like the entire game i thought that was just so funny i was like this is crazy they're like 10 weeks 12 weeks into the

next year after winning the super bowl and they're just like ready to fire everyone thank you adam Adam's in the chat. Appreciate you hanging out, Adam. Most entitled fan base that there is absolutely embarrassing, and this is coming from an Eagles fan. So I appreciate you owning it. Again, I will own my insufferableness as a Patriots fan. I think partially it's just like they had, you know,

New England fans have been there so much in all the sports of the last 25 years that like they definitely are entitled and feel like they, you know, belong there. I just, like, we're a little less whiny and probably a little bit more annoying, like, in your face when we win, but, like, complaining about our teams a little bit less. So, yeah, like, Adam, everyone's tired of both of us, I promise. So we'll love to meet again and get retribution for some of the, a stolen Super Bowl from a couple years ago. All right, nothing else jumps out. I think it's fascinating that the Ravens Alliance have better Super Bowl odds than the Panthers who are currently. you know a division leader and definitely not definitely but more likely in the playoffs where

the other teams are basically all but eliminated it tells you all we need to know about what would you need they're 80 to 1 to win the NFC right now what would you I don't think I bet I'm at like less than 100 no chance even if they're at 100 I might need 200 honestly like maybe 150 like you're still just burning money yes again I'll bet on a golf all right at 100 or 100 And I think that guy has a chance to win, right? Even though the math would tell me he doesn't, really. But I, you know, Wyndham Clark at the U.S. Open cashed that ticket on 120 to 1. I'm like, I was an egregious number.

He shouldn't be 121. And so it happens. But I don't feel like that happens in football. Like we don't have those paths very, very often because they're so. They got to win, what, three games to even, right? So it would be like a wildcard divisional and then, yeah. So, yeah, I mean, they'd have to beat three of these teams. I don't, I don't see that happening.

Yeah. What's wild is that one of these two teams that's at the top is going on the road in either Carolina or Tampa in the first week of the playoffs. They not only don't get the buy, but they actually, yeah, it's crazy. That's brutal. Let's see, Player Futures, the awards are kind of dialed. Drake May got a little shorter in the MVP odds. Josh fell back a little bit.

This is definitely a two-man race between Matthew Stafford and Drake May for MVP. I think we've been trying to time it if you've been flopping in this market. a little bit like it made sense that stafford would get out regardless of what happened having the Thursday night game by himself and then obviously drag may having a Sunday nighter getting that win last night helped close the odds there a little bit defensive player of the year we haven't been able to bet for over a month because miles Garrett is a runaway we touched on the offensive rookie of the year I do kind of think it's a two-man race now travion was in the mix and obviously fell out with not really being able to participate last

night, Tyler Shutt, I think, is still pretty interesting here at, you know, almost four to one. You love to see this. This got back to where it belongs. Nick and Mori, I have pieces of all three of these guys. So it felt like I was okay, but I significant, I went significantly more with the Carson Swessinger win and that balloon back out after getting down to like minus 200 or so heading into the week.

Wow. Even, even, Worry cooled off a little bit. Pierce continues to play. Really good ball. It's got like a sack in seven straight games. He's the legit dude, but, you know, a little too little too late. So awards are kind of tough this year. Good job in this market, though.

I mean, you got the early Schwessinger ticket. And so, yeah, I mean, that's looking good right now. Yeah, I needed that to balloon back out. It was making me a little nervous. So comeback play of the year is fascinating. Again, you and I don't touch much on this because I don't know how to handicap what it is. Philip Rivers, 35 to 1. So Philip Rubbers is 35 to 1

He opened at 17 Before playing a snap I think like he was in that range Like short of 20 He got down to like 9 And now Hasn't played Nothing's changed

And now he's back out to 35 Because Trevor Lawrence pushed him down What Who else do they play? I mean because they can I mean The Colts I know like they're not like technically in the play They can still technically make the playoffs

Right like I mean they could I think it's Jacksonville San Frans night Jacksonville and then I think Tennessee I mean that's tough If they made the playoffs he would definitely win But yes They were just going to jam it to Jonathan Taylor

That's kind of the problem Oh the Texans never mind Not Tennessee Oh even worse That's way harder actually And that matters Both these teams kind of need For playoff position need those games

So they do technically have a 3% chance To meet the playoffs They need to win out And then to win out and then the win out need help yeah so 80% um low 80% if they win out that they still need help so tough tough tough yep uh that's yeah that's it draft this is uh you know it's a bad football teams six teams that are two or three wins um but the two teams with two meet this week which is like we said pretty impactful so um wow you know because they have the jets have to get an answer

quarterback um they have the ammo actually if they wanted to move up uh they definitely would be if this is a spot where like the giants get to pick and want to lock in with jackson dart it could be some of the jets look to make a move and i don't know what the browns think i don't what's happening with the Browns coaching staff. I don't know if Shador's done enough, but they definitely have a need for quarterback. And then I think with the Cardinals, you see maybe another Jacoby-Berset year,

bridge year. I think he's under contract for one more year. Who knows? It could also be in the mix. And Titans obviously have the answer. So, yeah, tough. It's bad teams. A lot of bad teams.

I mean, this is just fascinating right here, though, when you get into Chiefs, Bengals, Ravens like in this little spot we're just so nice to see that they land like a good player then you know and their whole team's healthy they're just going to catapult right back up yeah yeah

fascinating all right got anything else for us I don't think so I mean we're on some kiddle overs tonight I would love to see the Niners pull ahead by a lot and then watch Philip Rivers throw the ball 40 times just because I think it'd be like fun to watch

but I don't think that's going to happen and they were going to see like 30 carries from Johnson Taylor probably. Yeah, I think they'll try to do it. It worked fairly well last week against Seattle. I don't think they have much success. I think Purdy Alts. I think Purdy could have a nice day.

Like you said, we're on the kettle stuff. I think Juan Jennings could cook. I think they're going to have a hard time. I get with Cheverius Ward out. Like the secondary is just kind of beat up for the right. So I actually kind of like just five and a half on San Francisco as well.

So team total. I think all just kind of nuclear scenarios for the Niners room play. So all right. Again, appreciate everyone hanging out with us. Check out Sharpstack, promo code survey, $10 first month, gets you in a drawing to win Sharpstack for life, batspurs golf for life, great deals. Come back on Friday, Connor, Stu, and myself for prop job.

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