Move The Line - Move The Line - Week 8 Betting Recap & Week 9 Early Predictions!

Episode Date: October 27, 2025

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Hello and welcome to move of the line. Presented by Sharpstack. I'm Ryan Newton. Joined here as always by Connor Allen. Recapping a little bit of week eight, looking ahead to week nine. What's going on, my friend? Yeah, it was almost another incredible week of props for me.

And the Falcons, like, this might never bet on them again. It's now twice, twice, the two times we bet on them as like pretty heavy favorites. like seven points or more favorites against just the terrible teams and they're they end up losing by like 30 and so all the props are just a disaster because like any reasonable assumption and like you know the yuk would bet on like within the meat of like game normal game script uh you got like a first percentile outcome uh and we still almost won on all them so but didn't win on either the ones from that game so i you know a five and one early started turning into a three and three one real

quick and so four and three right now out into monday can't complain too much but i mean definitely you know flip things on its head pretty quick i'll do that i mean what a wild game it's kind of just a crap slate to be honest there wasn't a lot of compelling games you know this week nights late which we'll jump into here too a bunch of pretty sizable favorites doesn't mean that we can't have compelling football games or some other games but when you're you know the best really only exciting game coming down to the end is jet spangles it's kind of a rough kind of a rough week that's kind of where we were so for week eight um yeah i'll jump in all that today uh and more as much as we can again reminder uh to check out sharp stack our new suite of

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where we have a few plays already looking for some Patty Mahomes touchdowns and Marcus Marriota run for, I don't know, a buck. I got 50, so it's all I need. 50 for Marietta would be fine. I think it's a nice spot still. I think I played up to 60 or so. I got a, I did a Fields alt, Mariotta alt, like rushing one. I got like Fields 260 or 250 passing and rushing combined.

And then a Mario, a 50 or no 40 plus rushing so that would be that would be big that would be basically to win a full unit would be awesome so that would be nice let's get it yeah just a cash cow for me you know yeah no he played okay he did all right my you talked to me into it on sunday morning in our sunday morning show i'm like all right i'll build a fields breese hall team and bruce hall cooks too through a touchdown pass um yeah that you know you spend a huge chunk on Bijon, that kills that line up, by the way. So that's, hey, it's DFS in a nutshell.

Again, move line to listen to the podcast, 4-4 live on the YouTube channel. We come back and join us on Friday with Slop for Prop Drop. Have a lot of fun there as always. We appreciate everyone hanging out there, too. Let's jump into the games, get our takeaways, and then kind of peel them forward as we look at the week nine board. Boat racing on Thursday night, Chargers 37, Minnesota 10. think we get the end of carson wents i mean he was playing hurt through that game too which was

really tough to watch but you know a good good spot for the chargers considering they kind of got boat raced you know three four days beforehand by the colts um any thoughts uh on thirty seven 10 uh chargers win there against the bikies the i mean carsin wince was wincing in pain as you mentioned like basically every time he fell down he was wearing some weird like contraption on his it was like non throwing arm right there was his left arm uh But all of the talk about the soft benching stuff, I think, can be put to rest. Like, I kind of never really understood that, to be honest, like, I understood it a little bit if Carson Wentz was, I don't know, someone capable, you know, maybe even a Daniel Jones type or like someone who's like, you know, and he had a chance maybe to resurrect his career at this point. Like, if he really played well.

So like I thought, okay, well, it's at least possible. I think we've seen enough through a couple games that that's not a reality. there's very, very little chance. I think they give J.J. McCarthy the rest of the season, basically no matter what, unless he plays, like, he would have to play worse than he already was. You know, like he at least turned in a good quarter and a half in his first couple games. He would need to play worse. So I think that's the end of that, and the Vikings continue to be just like a very unique team

that plays aggressive defense and their offense can be good sometimes and can also just be dreadful. like they couldn't run the ball at all then when you have wence turning the ball over taking a bunch of sacks like it's just tough to do anything so and then another side of the ball the chargers um i mean i just felt like thoroughly dominated and come on eve at all is playing really well and like you know herbert was kind of finding his way helps a ton having a running game for him i think specifically too so um yeah overall i mean i don't think i had too many takeaways outside of the what the went's stuff honestly from the Vikings.

Khalil Matt coming back, Joel Alde coming back, I think has shifted things a little bit there for them. So there's impactful, you know, performance for sure. Really tough slate coming up for Minnesota and tough for JJ to get his sea legs under him to kind of figure out what's going on here as they kind of get into the meat of their schedule. So a real tough spot for Minnesota who, that game just kind of flipped earlier. Isaiah Rogers looked like a pick six and then, you know, it flipped and, you know,

it flipped and they didn't get that call and it was kind of a buzz saw for the rest of the game with the chargers also is like on the gats and kind of emerges like they're legit offensive uh you know firepower there if if they can stay healthy so uh yeah tough tough sledding and chargers are you know kind of in an easy spot in their schedule with a handful of winnable games heading into the buy so good spot for them for sure uh we'll get to the next one which i think we kind of touched on the top 34 to 10 then Miami Dolphins win in Atlanta. Look, Kirk was bad, real bad.

The defense was bad too. Oh, bad. Look, Tua just needed to have, like, I don't know, pink eye or whatever happened. Visor, too, apparently, you can cook. They ran all over the Falcons. Falcons had nothing going. I think it's in hindsight really easy to think that if the game script flips, and you put Kirk into a trailing game state, what's going to happen?

and that's kind of what happened. It was a disaster. So I was really pulling for the jets to come through because I needed my, you know, the dolphins to kind of stay alive a little bit in my worst record, you know, and then the Titans played later in the day. But it was a tough scene overall.

Any takeaways from Miami and Atlanta? It's, I think one of the biggest was the Falcons couldn't run. Like there was no holes, like initially, which led to them falling from behind because they stuck with it for like the first half. I mean, I think Kurt Cousins had eight attempts at half. time. Eight passing attempts at halftime when they were losing by, I don't know, what was it? Yeah, 13s, 17 to 3 at halftime. So, like, they tried running and they kept trying

to stick with it and just wasn't working. And that was surprising to me because then that, like you said, it opens up the whole new layer of that offense, which is like dropped back and pass, you know, 67, 70% of the time with Kirk, which is not where you want to be without Drake London, basically with like a banged-up Darnell Mooney and Kyle Pitts, which even against Miami didn't work out so that's a problem uh i wanted to give a nice big you know middle finger to mike mcdaniel for continuing to throw with to a up 30 in the fourth uh busting my two under two oh two i mean just meaningless garbage very clearly a lot of small man energy taken out on on uh you know nothing here because they just been getting shit on for the last like you know

six weeks um i thought that was a load of crap but some money mike wish nothing but the worst for you going forward so um you know brutal you got to i got to build confidence connor you got to build some confidence uh i mean i will say that it was a little what you say no you could go for it go for it i was just going to say that like it seemed like such a bad situation uh at least they showed up they could i continue to like play like it hasn't felt like the teams quit on him i guess You know, just trying to make a sense of anything that we saw here where it seems like there could have been a locker room imploding situation

considering the two oppressors and all the stuff that's been going on there. So I guess that's a credit to, I don't know, leaders in the locker room. I don't know. I don't know what to make of it. But, you know, Falcons have two like the worst losses this season, like getting absolutely boat raced 30 to zip against the Panthers. And then this game against Miami is really tough to make. ups and downs are what that team is.

They're really, really hard to handicap. They are on the road in New England this week, which would be interesting to see. Miami, where's Miami this week? They keep it going. Let me see where the dolphins are. Dolphids all Thursday night against the Ravens, hosting the Ravens on Thursday night.

So, you know, interesting takeaways there. I don't really think there's anything to take away from Miami per se. But they caught, I guess, just a beat-up. you know, considering no Drake London and then with Kirk there, a Falcons team. And I just, again, I don't want to extrapolate that moving forward because it was definitely a quarterback situation. But, man, it seemed like a real Jekyll and Hyde at times.

Yeah, I mean, now you have New England and then you have the Colts. You have to play the Panthers again, which is no, you know, no easy game, Saints, Jets, like, so some easy, like, hypothetically, on paper, there are some winnable games. But Miami was a very winnable, you know, seven point favorites against Miami like that's that's uh w on paper for sure and they lost by 30 and so i don't know i'm just i'm probably just hold off maybe give it a week on the falcons center anything falcons related because yeah that was that was tough yeah well definitely not

not going to be on personally not going to be on the falcons this week um let's see the uh thursday night game again it will be uh the ravens who got to win 30 to 16 against the bears obviously some shenanigans uh with the injury reports limited scout team obviously you know move the market quite a bit um snoop huntley in this one again obviously played significantly better than cooper rush had on previous starts bears definitely had opportunities to win that football game a couple of key turnovers you know inside the red zone uh you know just not crisp not a crisp caleb game for sure uh any takeaways here for raven's bears as we move forward.

Yeah, I think I've seen this almost every week. It's like Chicago just like doesn't capitalize in their early drives, like in their red zone drives. So like they had two awesome drives like from what I remember in two or three or like early in the game and they either they came up with like six points in the first half. And like you put those away and this is very much a game. Like it's a very close game if not like a win basically. And then also I think too, I kind of saw this point going around like this bear's

defense is. uh not very good when playing from behind or playing i don't even know neutral game script is not good either when they're playing from ahead they i think are kind of fun like they get aggressive they like when you put other posing teams in like pass only situations or mostly past situations um it makes it a lot tougher on them like tyler honley was just having a free six seven yards every time he wanted to throw the ball basically it felt like uh and then derrick henry wasn't super efficient running the ball but uh keed and mitchell like had a couple of just like sick runs on the outside and it felt like the bears couldn't

really stop that and like their defense is not very good when they're injured like that's like we know this now like when Kyler Gordon's out and then you know like their top three corners basically they're out it's like they're starting Nashon right and a couple other bums you know so it's really tough to to get much going there so I think defensively we knew that they weren't a good team and this kind of just like showed that again is like we saw the Saints game script where it was like just very chaotic caused a couple of turnovers against a bad team, and then you get this one where you're playing from behind and you're not quite able to, it's not as predictable, basically.

So if you overexpose yourself, you get Keaton Mitchell up the sideline for 20 yards instead of like a sack, right? So I don't know. I mean, I don't know what you saw defensively there. I'm interested in your takes because I have a couple of Caleb takes as well, but I'm curious defensively if you saw anything there. It's interesting. Yeah, as you laid out, I mean, you were without your top three corners, and that's a really

tough test against, you know, any team. and they struggle with that for sure. And again, a lot of it's been opportunistic in the turnover department, and when that isn't happening, you're not getting a ton of pressure. You know, I do think the run defense will be better than it was earlier this season. But, again, you know,

Kyle Gordon comes back and then lands itself back on IR. And teams have been, you know, really picking on Nick McLeod in the slot. We saw that again here with a nice little Zay Flowers game. We'll see really good football teams, including probably this week. I don't know that I would, you know, have the Bengals don't fall into a really good football team.

They definitely have the ability to take advantage of a depleted secondary. So it'll be interesting to see how bears are, you know, between one and a half and two and a half road favorites in Cincinnati with a very healthy total as we move to week nine. Again, they just did to see what happens on Thursday night game here with, you know, the quick turnaround with Lamar. The defenses are interesting. So they made a trade with the chargers for Eloy Gilman.

heading into the buy and they had more of a traditional you know two deep safety set and they use Kyle Hamilton as a blitzer. I think he had like 10 edge snaps. They sometimes just kind of use them a little bit like how the Packers were using Micah Parsons last night just kind of like lurking as you know just a linebacker that's threatening the pressure and then he did a bunch of times had a ton of success created some I think he created two different uh intentional grounding penalties for Caleb in that game just because Hamilton was was unaccounted for. So he's a weapon if they can use him in different ways. Again, Rokon was back.

He looks healthy. So again, this is what we've kind of talked about as we turn the corner here on the Ravens. They are minus 105 to win the division now as well. I think it's fascinating. But be interesting to see if we get Lamar in this spot. I don't know that it matters because I'm still not really buying what we saw from Miami here. But we'd love to see if this team can start to turn it around as they get healthy. yeah no it's i mean we'll see they're still not dead yet somehow just given their division and

everything um yeah the real quick the the Caleb william stuff is really tough didn't have his best game box score looks okay obviously no no touchdowns one interception only one sack but like you said took a couple of um you know uh grounding penalties like missed a couple of throws the interception they did throw was really bad because it was like in your own 10 so it's basically i mean it was basically like a score flip like you go down and score into 10s a tie game. Instead, you give the ball to the Ravens to score another touchdown there pretty easily. So it's like the impact of that interception was significantly more than like some random one in like the 40 or 50 even. So that was like the when it was bad. Ben Johnson after the

game said that it was he actually thought Caleb Williams played better than his previous two games, which I thought was interesting. And I mean, it continues to be exactly what we thought. His like metrics are really bad. Like completion percentage over expectations bad. his, like, you know, EPA, stuff like that. It's all not good. But it's getting better, I think, in some examples against bad teams. And, like, he is going to undoubtedly light up the Bengals. Like, this is, like, inevitable.

Because he's, I mean, just like we saw with Justin Fields, like, he can be great against bad, you know, complete shitters. And then you get him against a couple tough matchups for, like, you know, they're moving Kyle Williams around and they kind of figures himself out defensively and becomes a little bit more uneven. So, yeah, I think that he's going to have a great game. And then everyone, Chicago is going to be back on saying he's an MVP. And I think, you know, keeping that steady makes more sense.

Yeah, a balanced rushing attack there too. But like you said, it was not just the turnovers and the intentional groundings. It was like the situations when they happened. They made it even a little bit worse. So made it for a pretty tough scene. So all right, next we had, I think one of me, I don't know, say surprising. like I don't think we were buying the Carolina Panthers, but the bills lost two straight heading into the buy.

Carolina had won three straight. They'd seem to kind of solidify their rush defense a little bit, and we're playing better up front. Again, I'll be it against worst rushing units than the Buffalo Bills, 40 to 9, and James Cook absolutely did exactly that. He got it going. He was fantastic, again, I think untouched 64-yard touchdown, just a couple other huge runs. in that game. You did have a couple of guys

get back here for the bills. Valeria Ginojobie, Michael Hulk, guys that they had signed in free agency, both got dinged for PEDs, and were suspended for the first six games. Bull came back and played, I think, significant snaps and, like, Hulk in particular,

had a bunch of pressures. I think he had one and a half sacks. They lost Ed Oliver in this game. I don't know what that's going to look like moving forward because we saw early in the season when they did not have Ed Oliver, that was a pretty impactful situation. Again, you thought Carolina would be able to gash this team, especially again, all around the second quarter. They were missing. They're starting to linebackers in this game.

Caroline's been running the football. Again, the game got flipped and it ended up being a lot of Andy Dalton. That's kind of like a lot of Kirk cousins, probably never the right recipe in 2025. And they came out after, too, talking about the RICO Chuba split. Now we have two games of Chuba Hubbard coming off of injury. or, yeah, coming off injury and them splitting work. RICO's just been so much more efficient. Eight carries, 54 yards. Chubbard, 12 carries with 34 yards.

2.8 or 6.8 yards per carry. Kind of same story last week. But the coaching staff said, like, we basically said we respect what RICO's done for the, or Chuba's done for the team, and he's like a leader. But we have to take notice. Hey, too. Yeah. Yep.

It's like we have to take notice of RICO. So that's what he said there specifically. And so, I don't know. I think this is a, I mean, the build are still a dominant team. The Panthers, the fact of the four and four is crazy. They're a very bad team. There. It's not good.

And like, significantly worse, obviously, without Bryce Young. Not that Bryce is like carrying them, but Andy Dalton, we're definitely on the wrong side of it. You know, we saw it with, I thought Flacco, I'm surprised that flacco has been. as solid as he's been because Flackle last year was such a disaster. Turns out, you know, having Jamar Chase and just literally stuffing 15 to 18 targets his way, I can kind of help you a little bit. That's not something that really Andy Dalton had the ability to. It wasn't something that Dickert Cousins had access to either.

And then this game just got kind of out of hand real, real quick. Like, nice chunk. You know, Dalton Kincade absolutely love that play. Nice big chunk play of Dalton Kikade early. And we basically just didn't see him the rest of the game. They didn't need him. He barely played and this game was like flipped early. I'm like, oh, that play is dead because there's just no punchback from the Panthers.

So how you can lose props pretty easily and feel like you have a pretty good handicap and just dead, dead on arrival. What was crazy to me was I got, I had the Keon Coleman under three and a half receptions and it almost lost because Trubisky was still throwing in the fourth quarter. So he targeted Keon Coleman like three times in the last. drive and I was like no way like are we going to really lose this and like to some on backups like this would be rough uh so thankfully snuck it out but like it was such an unnecessary sweat like josh allen are like 20 attempts uh panthers are 12 and a half 13 point road dogs in green bay uh that's not an exciting handicap uh but chiefs In Buffalo, definitely the, you know, best week nine game, for sure,

which is a fascinating one with the Bill's home dogs, you know, between one and one and a half, which is really interesting. 51 and a half is the total there as well. Any early thoughts on Chief's bills here for week nine? Again, not knowing what to make of the Chiefs here, obviously playing tonight as we record here on a Monday afternoon. But, you know, obviously we think pretty highly the Chiefs now that they kind of have all the pieces back in place.

Yeah, and as you brought up, the Bills' defense is a little bit banged up there. Because, like, if the Chiefs can get a running game going, right? Like, Isaiah Pacheco's been playing a little bit better. If they can get a running game going against this Bill's team, it's going to be really tough for them to stop the Chiefs. And so it's basically going to rely on Josh Allen being a superhero, which I think is possible. So probably no take on the side.

I'll be definitely interested in some Josh Allen props, probably betting some overs on, like, some of the past catchers, some of the some of those guys i think that could make a lot of sense maybe maybe a sneaky james cook under who knows uh it's also possible which might get an inflated line after a 200 dart outing like i don't know what we're going to get but uh it could be as could be a sneaky one there so we'll see i think that's probably where my odds out do you have any any really takes i want to see you know i want to see a little bit of tonight um but i think i think Kansas City is a buzzsaw.

Yeah, it's a, it's probably not a side that I'm going to bet into. I'm interested to see if Kansas City plays with their food a little bit. You could see this kind of flip back the other way. You could see it get to a pick-em. So I don't think there's, again, if you like the bill side, I think taking the points now, I don't think there's anything that happens on Kansas City side where this gets bigger towards Kansas City, right? It's probably just one-way action.

It holds it one-and-a-half or moves towards a pick. So if you like the bill, it's no harm. and jumping into it now. Would you consider Chief Super Bowl? I think Chief Super Bowl is fantastic bet right now. It's, I do. I hate that I think that, but. Yeah.

I don't think we've ever bet the Chalk Super Bowl winner, like ever, maybe in this show history. But I actually think that this is like kind of a good bet. Like, I think they might be underrated at five, plus 550, five to one pretty widely available. I totally agree. I thought, again, they haven't played yet. So even when I opened it up today,

I thought that it would look different. I mean, look, if you look at the odds, culture are pretty massive favorite to be the number one scene in the AFC. We're not worried about Mahomes in January going to Indy against that secondary. Again, I don't want to take away anything that the culture are a wagon. Offensively, they're, you know, the total will be 54, or something, you know, like seismic, as it deserves to be. But, man, again, if you were telling me that what we know of now,

the Chiefs is going to be intact moving forward, yeah, I, as a, you know, complete chalk donkey to double dip. I'm just, you know, I'm always thinking about, how can I get access to, you know, better Scotty Shefflin numbers? I put it in their Discord jokingly. I'm like, I guess I did. I bet it. I got 29 Chiefs Scotty Sheffler Masters Parlay just to get access to.

I'd love to have a 29 on Scotty in April. I'm not going to pay, you know, 320 for that or whatever that's going to that price is going to be. So that's, you know, an appealing future way to, you know, mess around with some account management stuff where you want to donk off some future bets. But yeah, I agree. I think 5 to 1 is actually a pretty decent bat because what's it going to be if they beat them?

they go to Buffalo and win three three and a quarter yeah i think it's like four probably but like it'll it'll be lower for sure like it's just going to keep getting lower and lower and lower like i mean this is like their toughest toughest matchup right so then it's like well they have denver indie dallas so a couple a couple more tough games like maybe they drop one of those it's possible um Denver again later but then they have like you know some shitters tennessee and the Raiders last couple weeks. So I don't know. It's currently constructed that the Dallas is a shitter.

Dallas is a shitter is currently constructed for that for that matchup. For sure. Yeah, they're they're toast like they I mean the chiefs can score as many points as they want on Dallas. Yeah, it's Thanksgiving Day. That'll be fun. Yeah, it's yeah, I think they're a good bet. And again, it's, you know, hoping that that can.

can ale us from the garbage week eights late because, Chief Spills late Sunday afternoon spot. Considering that the other two games in that late window are Jags, Raiders, and Saints, Rams, we're going to need Chiefs bills to do some heavy lifting there in the afternoon on Sunday. So should not disappoint. Again, the only game that didn't disappoint this past week was the Jets and Bengals game. Really exciting watch. Bangles were up by two scores late.

you called it we were going to have a decent Justin Fields game they were trying to replace him I don't know they can replace him now you got off the Schneide didn't take a sack didn't turn it over tough spot for the Bengals to not be able to get home and not get a sack on Justin Fields considering how he's been playing but Bruce Hall looked really good Mason Taylor played some decent ball

the Jets defense was atrocious as we would expect but, you know, they outscored them in the end, and that's all it takes. I don't think we have any concrete takeaways, but anything that you want to kind of touch on as we move forward from this one. No, I want to make sure, though, that people know that this is not a reason to be, like, back on the Justin Fields train. Like, this is so much more to do with the Bengals and so little to do with Justin and this offense, like, Breeze Hall and anyone should have success against his Bengals defense.

Justin Fields should have success against the Bengals. Joe Flacko, I think, still can do his play pretty well. Like, you know, again, not surprising it's a Jets either, so we don't want to overrate that specifically. But in good matchups, I think he can play reasonably well. Jamar Chase, 19 targets. I mean, sounds like a typo, but like it's crazy with what he's seeing right now. So another 12 receptions for 91 yards.

Just getting the ball in his hands as much as possible, which is awesome. So cool to see. So I wouldn't say that there's much takeaways. It was kind of like the upper echelon of what I expected to be possible from like if both offenses played all right. They played pretty well and they did. So like they played well and their defenses are just so, so bad. And right now I think there's a couple of teams where like their devens is so bad

that can even like support good offenses. And I think this is a prime example of that or support bad offenses. And this is a prime example of that. Yeah, their jets are on a buy. So we don't have any real jets applications for week nine. and again bangles hosting the bears and they are you know between you know one and two and a half uh yeah at home there so again and i think they'll have success it could be another spot where you just absolutely pepper jamar chase uh with uh with targets i feel like we're going to see like eight

and a half receptions this is line um which is pretty crazy you just don't see eight and a half very often very few guys get to seven and a half but i think you can i think you can honestly you should put like post eight and a half and it not be the wrong play i don't disagree with it i'm not saying it's a bet no i just yeah i'm just saying it's like the market like you never see both you know eight and a half posted as a reception line yeah like that's i mean i think the last time we saw that is like michael thomas with the saint's days kind of around then maybe some puka stuff now but puka's like seven and a half yeah we're bent in puka six and a half first few weeks of the year.

It's crazy. Seven and a half is, yeah. I mean, this week we opened seven and a half juiced. It crawled up a little bit. But it was like, you know, it opened like seven and a half minus 140, 14, 145. Too low. So it's going to get some, going to get some action. All right.

Houston 2615 against the Niners. Niners just began taking the beating. They're just, they're rolling out. you know, the B and C team defensively. This was a tough spot. Like, there was going to be games like this occasionally where the Texas defense is just, it's so good. Daniel Hunter, Will Anderson, Jr., absolutely wreaked havoc in this game.

Even when they didn't get home, they created a ton of pressure. Like, watching this game, I just, I couldn't think of in the first half time. I'm like, I couldn't think of any, like, did the Niners have the ball? Like, I just couldn't remember the Niners really having the ball or do anything. I don't do they got a first down until. inside of a minute on their like two-minute drive just before the half just couldn't get anything going. Even without Nico Collins, C.J. Stroud played a pretty decent game. But again, this is just a depleted Niners team. I don't want to take a ton of away really for either side,

considering kind of the matchup here. But, you know, a good spot for the Texans showed up and beat, you know, the Niners pretty handily here. Any thoughts? I mean, yeah, the Niners ran only 44 place total. We talked about this with one of the other games, the Raiders game, the week prior it's like you get these random outliers of games where i mean 44 plays is crazy low they like ran had almost no plays in the first half and part of it was to do with two things i mean the texans were able to consistently run on the ball and like have success like not you know explosive plays but just like five yards here seven yards here and it just kind of like rolled under the situation where the niner's couldn't get off the field and then when they got the ball the texas defense is

still really good and they played well and they're facing a niner's offense it's pretty beat up so it's basically just CMC, only eight carries here. Juan Jennings being back is interesting or like a healthier, I think is interesting, led the team in receptions and targets here after last week where he was basically a decoy. So I think he could be an interesting watching the prop market going forward. To be honest, we get some like more outlier past attempt games from Mack Jones, which you've seen like some crazy, crazy passing yard ones there.

So I think he's one to watch specifically. But otherwise, like this Niners team, five and three. three just limping along probably still going to make the playoffs and be fine just because their schedule's fairly easy here going forward um but yeah i mean giants get cardinals panthers browns titans bears like all still come um there's a couple tough tougher you know i would take coin toss games coming up but um like again you probably win most of those still overall Texans were able to protect C.J. Straub, they allowed season low pressure rates. Niners did everything they could to try to generate any pressure.

Again, lost Nimbosa, he lost Fred Warner. They didn't have Bryce Huff. He's been really good this year. They did not have Bryce Huff for this game. They tried kitchen sink and really couldn't get it done. And again, that's kind of one of the bugabooos for the Texans, right? If you have a team that has average to above average pressure, done so. which leads me to one of my favorite looks on next week's slate.

Broncos are also a team that can be really tricky because I just don't know what to make of them sometimes. And again, this Texas defense is legit, but I think the Broncos can really wreak havoc defensively against this offensive line. Broncos are short road favorites in Houston. I like Denver. Which again, it's tricky. Bonix on the road, considering Bonix has not been great. at times, but sometimes their ceiling outcomes is, I think, sometimes pretty exciting, too. So, but yeah, I just, I worry about what they do with that Broncos defensive front.

I think that, I think the under in that game is pretty interesting, too. 39 and a half is already a pretty low number, but, I mean, the Bronco's offense has been legit bad against any reasonable opponent. Texas defense already, you know, we've said awesome. And we mentioned heading into last week that the Broncos defense didn't necessarily match up super, super well against his Cowboys offense just for like receiver wise and what you could do. Sertan kind of bounced in and out.

They still played, end up playing pretty well, you know, against them and like, you know, just put him on the eight ball and like it was kind of over from there. But I think they do match up kind of well against his Texans team because, yeah, you can put Sertan on Nico as long as Sertan's healthy, he was out. He, like, missed the end of the last game. But like, and then, I mean, Jalen Knoll, Jaden Higgins and Xavier Hutchinson got to beat the rest of your guys. And I would probably take the Broncos starting corners straight up over any of those guys pretty easily. So, I mean, it's basically going to come down. Can they stop the run?

Can they win in the trenches? Which I would say most teams have not had a problem with that against the Texans. Outside of like the occasional mass wound against the Ravens C team. And then, you know, the Texans beating up on, again, the 49ers, whatever, B slash C squad that you got going on up there. So yeah, I don't see a clear path to either team moving the ball, particularly well. So definitely lead Broncos and under there. Yeah, that's a good call. Yeah, I feel like the Texans are, I mean, it's definitely one of the best defensive units in the league. But when they put you in a spot where you're really, it's really clear what you have to do here to survive,

they put you in a trailing game script and you, you know, have to pass. You really can't protect. Like, Mike Jones didn't play well. He just didn't have, didn't have time either. So, you know, if you kind of get into neutral scripts that you're talking about, you can run on the Texans a little bit more. But man, And they will cook you if it is clear passing situations like we saw last week. So yeah, I like Denver there. We'll get to them here shortly. Next is Patriots 32 to 12 against Cleveland Browns.

Frustrating first quarter, first half even. They're like back-to-back possessions where Joshman Daniels went run, run, run, punt. Like, I don't even know how that is ever in the range of outcomes for the game script. is like you're the worst efficient efficiency wise you're the worst running team in the league going against the browns is the one thing that they do very very well you've got a young quarterback that's cooking they eventually figured it out especially in the second half and just turned him loose and drakemane was awesome now miles garrett was also awesome i mean look at just the best defensive player in the league sucks to like have that happen where he's kind of stuck you

know hopefully we've lots of like you know woody harrison like wipe your tears away with the money you know, responses this week, which I think are applicable. But, yeah, he was dominant, but not enough. Drake May just continues to find ways to get it done. Doesn't matter who the receiver is. It doesn't matter if they have a running game. They did have a little bit of running game eventually here, but paths continue to cook. I mean, he had, imagine having five sacks in the game and losing by 20.

That is just really tough. So, you know, poor Miles Garrett. I mean, again, yeah, it's the money thing. That's, he had an option to leave. He could have easily, maybe not an option, but he could have easily forced his way out of Cleveland, I think. Could have not signed and eventually could have left, yeah. Yeah, it was definitely an option.

There was a rift in a team, and then they offered him a fat contract, and he's like, you know what, okay, that's fine. I'll stay. Drake May, I think your handicap of like the Drake May passing yards thing, panned out perfectly, had a bunch of long bombs, was able to expose the Browns deep down field when they were too aggressive. You know, Matt Collins, 7th, 389 is a wild stat line.

in there specifically. I think that's, you know, kind of crazy. Considering, just considering Matt Collins' career. But, and Trayvon Henderson showed a little bit sound of life. I think did fumble, if I remember correctly, though. He did. He did. They also elevated Terrell Jennings from the practice squad to the permanent roster.

I would guess that Terrell probably sees a good bit more work this week. Remandre how Stevenson just continues to be the biggest jag of all time. I need to get this guy off the field. It should be Terrell. and, I mean, it should be Trayvon Henderson, mostly. And then some Stevenson in, like, third in shorts, maybe. And then, I don't know, give Terrell Jennings a chance. Who cares?

I mean, not like any, I mean, Henderson's playing well, played well this game, but hasn't done really much besides that. So I don't know, give some other guys a chance because the passing game right now and Drake May is playing just awesome. And, you know, rookie old Campbell's been awesome. And then, you know, sometimes you get sons, And sometimes just the alpha boss comes and shows you, like, you know, here's what's available to you when you start to play the alphas. So look, just to your point, the Matt Collins stuff, like, it doesn't really matter.

Like, I still think it's a below average pass catching core, but we're getting, you know, good games out of Stefan Diggs. We saw both Hunter Henry and Austin Hooper make plays in this game. Kisham Booty, another long 39-yard touchdown catching this game. So they're just figuring it out. May's numbers against the pressure, his numbers on deep balls, his numbers against the Blitz are through the roof. It's like 13% completion percentage over expectation. You know, Blitz is the most in the league, Atlanta Falcons,

who they play this week. So good luck, Atlanta. I think we see some more Drake May fireworks and deep shots here in this game. So like I said, New England, five, five and a half point favorites at home against the Falcons were as we think of the Browns, Browns on a buy. Yeah, Browns are on a buy for week nine. They can figure it out. They can answer all the questions about when do we see Shador.

Good luck. I mean, that's exactly probably why they didn't want to draft Shador at that point. It's like now it just is that's all you're going to hear until he actually gets a start. Yeah. And I think it's interesting because now you have like, I don't even know what week number this is of like teams not being able to run on the paths, becoming one dimensional and like not being, you know, and like just putting the. The past's putting themselves in a really good position to, like, make an opposing team one-dimensional. And, like, even a Brown team that we've seen Jam Judkins, like, 25 times, only had nine carries. He did end up getting injured, like a shoulder injury.

But that wasn't until, like, the, I don't know, mid-third or late third, early fourth, I remember correctly. So it was, like, later in the game. So, I mean, the running game was dead long before he left. And so I do think that's kind of interesting there. And the Brown's just like, I don't know if we've had enough of a sample size of Dylan Gabriel yet. I kind of think, in my opinion, we just kind of know he's not it, but I don't know, maybe that's too early. I think we kind of know he's not it.

I don't know. He's a mid-round rookie, but he has decent talent around him. It's not like he's no one. Yeah. I think we know that he's not it, but I understand you want to give him a little bit of a longer leash. Like you can't take him. I just think you've got to give him a little bit more.

That's all. You want to get the answers to the shoot or question. you have plenty of time right it's going to be week nine you get 10 week 10 by you get a bunch of games left you know eight games you get you get time and get the answers so you give i think gabriel two three more starts if it's really bad or you don't see improvements it's pretty easy to justify the move to chador so uh yeah i like the bats um i do worry a little bit about bjean as a pass catcher in that game against robert spillane and some of the like patriots linebackers uh but overall, I still think Drake May is able to take advantage.

But Jesse Bates got dinged up in that game, too. If Jesse Bates misses on the back end for the Falcons, who are already pretty inexperienced in the secondary, that could be a spot where Drake May could have a field day. All right. Next, in the NFC East, the Eagles 38th, Giants 20, running back injuries in this game with both Sequan going down with a groin injury, popped off a big one.

Look like he was having more real, probably his best game of the year. um and obviously we lost cam scatabo here for the giants lost for the year brutal injury the old moissuseloo injury just his leg is bending this way he was actually looking for his teammates to like pull him up he's like reaching up like buddy maybe just stay on the ground maybe just let the professionals come out and see what's going on here again respect the dog in him but you probably just just sit there but again teams continuing to run ramp it on uh the giants which i think you'll kind to continue to see here. Any thoughts on eagles and Giants? Yeah, there was a couple of, I don't know, down games against the Giants run defense.

Like they started off, I think you mentioned earlier in the season, like historically bad, basically, as a run defense. Then at a couple of games where they were okay, you know, just like fine. And then now we're completely exposed by the Eagles. Tank Bigsby killed him. Sequin killed him while he was healthy. Dart, like, I don't know. It's one of those things where I just don't really know what to do with him ever. He's going to win some games. He probably shouldn't, and it's probably just going to look bad in a couple of others. I think that's pretty reasonable, reasonable expectation. I think overall didn't run that much this week, which was disappointing, obviously,

that a prop on him. They, I mean, I kind of thought they were going to spy him, but they spied him like literally every single play. They had a linebacker just like sitting in zone. And they didn't run that much design stuff. So, you know, when that happens, it's not going to end up running that much. So it makes sense there. And then his past catcher He's just like, he has no dependable guy, I don't think. Wondale's fine. Slayton played for the first time. He had a couple of deep shots there that were really close.

Like a couple of really close ones. So I don't know. We'll see. I think in the future, they'll probably connect on one or two of those and maybe easier matchups. Yeah. He had one called back for what I thought was pretty clearly offensive pass interference and they did call it.

He just, you know, they're running down the field and he just, you know, really initiates contact just before separating at the end. and, you know, it wasn't great. But, yeah, you know, he's, it's viable for him. That's, that's kind of how he wins anyway. That's the whole thesis behind, you know, and he's Slaten plays. It's just, that's, that's how he wins.

So, yeah, I think we saw a pretty intentional, deliberate maintain your lane kind of strategy as the Eagles, like, pressured him to, to keep Jackson Dart, like, not giving him any really clear rushing lanes. I think that's why we saw the rush numbers dip a little bit. Uh, is that, uh, yeah, it wasn't, like a, yeah, like you're, you're trying to rush. Correct. Yeah.

But everyone just kind of hold your spots, maintain it, see, you know, if anyone can win initially off the jump and then otherwise, you know, let's not make sure we're not getting too far out of the way, uh, to break anything down. So we'll see, Eagles are, uh, on a buy. Uh, see if they get A.J. Brown back, whereas the giants are on, uh, be Monday night, right there hosting the Cardinals. Any, I mean, not an exciting island game here. Cardinals, Giants, thoughts. That could be a game of the Giants win. Yeah. I mean, what's the...

What's the spread? Mid-show sneeze there. Hifty, hefty. I know. That was an other. Hefty total, 53. 53? Yeah, it's a big total.

I mean Wow I mean I don't take advantage of that that defense but it seems like a lot Wow yeah

that is big I don't know what to say about that I mean that's just like I mean can the Cardinals cable scoring that seems like too many yeah it seems like a lot that's yeah that's the point right like it's an old school total

this is the NFL's back we got a 53.5 point total we got a 51 and a half in the Bears Bengals like all the shitty team overs here Ravens Dolphins is 50 in some spots I don't know it's kind of fun good to be back I guess yeah it's a few this week big big big big big double of favorites and some some upper 40s into the low 50s total so definitely didn't see that for the first month or so all right NFC South Battle, we had a, well, battle, 23-3, Buccaneers win in New Orleans. Not a very impressive performance from either club. Did he maybe feels like the end of the Spencer Rattler era, you know, which probably makes sense.

Really like one of the all-time, just disrespectful, like, pick six is Anthony Nelson just jumps up, tips it, catches it, stiff arm, Spencer Rattler, and then just, you know, shuffles in for a touchdown. I was just pretty, pretty tough scene for Spencer Rattler. Again, tough bucks game here, too. And they didn't look particularly sharp. But again, they're missing so many pieces there as well. But again, you got to, you know, take advantage of the games that you get. And win by margin, they did so here.

Any thoughts on bucks and saints? Is the Saints run defense, like, kind of fine? Or is this been like, they've thrown together, like, a couple of games now where they've not been that bad? yeah yeah they get some guys up front that are playing pretty well um linebacker corps has been okay your secondary is a problem but they i don't think they're i would say that they're probably slightly above average in that range yeah they've been decent at front i think getting uh chase young back has been jace young

chase young played really good football last year and like didn't fill the stats sheet at all the other side like carl granderson is probably one of the more underrated defensive ends in the league Some of the guys out front have been pretty solid. And again, you know, Mario Davis is like 37 years old. But he still, his like advanced metrics are all really solid. Slightly inefficient tackler. But in terms of like run stops where like he stops to play and like feeds the tackle to someone else, he, you know, grades out pretty well like PFF for stuff like that.

So yeah, I would say that they're above average as a run, run stopping team. Okay. Yeah, it's interesting. Yeah, like the Tyler Shug experience. so far i mean again 30 attempts came in like whatever half timeish i think a little after second quarter something like that um 4.3 yards per attempt two sacks you know through a pick wasn't particularly good i didn't go back and watch the tape you know i was just like kind of watching corners i don't think it's to be fair i don't think it's fair to like judge someone off of a half

time game where you're losing you know and you have to throw the entire game sure but and i think alvin camara got injured too at some point so i don't think it's like a fair shake there to judge but certainly watch that going forward and then yeah like if you have um you know saints lost their other running back as well kendry miller album camera tvd there i think i heard a couple of things um saints need to be in full like selling rebuilding mode if they're not already um i mean also shout to us one of our official plays five and a half wins for the saints uh i don't think they're going to get get there um a couple more games and that seals that up but um and the like the bucks you said just didn't play that well all that well offensively got there mainly because of defensive

stops and um the pick six i think they were probably i don't know what the total number is they were at least like i want to say like seven or eight one yard attempts like first and goal from the one uh where the the bucks couldn't not get home. It was like, and they tried Sean Tucker. They tried Rashad White. And like, it just, it blows my mind. The teams, did we still do this in the league? And I was joking about it. The first time that they did it and they got stuffed all in one is literally they're all running bunch jumbo formations. I just don't understand why teams do this. It's like, hey, let's bring everyone in this really small, condensed area and make it a coin flip that our big

guys beat their big guys, right? Like, even though you're really playing 10 on 11 because your quarterback's not doing anything you can like bring linebackers over the time it just it's insane to me to do you it and then their answer to it failing the first couple times the next time they get down to the one is you take someone split them out wide and you just run stupid like like just jump ball fade and it's like that's also you can run slants you can actually run like mesh concepts and stuff I'd like to go line and like try different stuff like I don't understand why there are two options if you're an offensive coordinator I can can either just run jumbo or I just have to throw away one-on-one, like jump ball to a guy

on the outside. And it was like Sterling Shepard. Like it's not like I, yeah, I don't understand. Awful. There's got to be some 20-year-old madden experts that would be better. Just like consulting in that moment is like, here's all. Here's what's optimal. Like, here's what you shouldn't do, right? You shouldn't run jumbo and you shouldn't just run the fade. I don't understand it. But they got an extra week to figure it out. They're on a by Saints are on the road getting the Rams coming off of the by which is a tough spot

Rams are full two touchdown favorites there which is tough scene probably get Pooka back. Nice little trade for them today Roger McCreary one of the only good players on the Titans defense and they decided they wanted to part ways with him

so cool good move Titans because they're going to make smart decisions there but yeah the Rams are kind of a wagon if Stafford's playing well and healthy yeah i mean they're going to absolutely dominate the saints here that's like yeah i mean it's going to be rough one uh let's see afternoon stuff here 44 24 24 Denver against dallas this is going to happen dallas right like dallas is also like insanely depleted in the secondary uh the secondary is bad to

begin with and they were missing um you know both starting safeties uh and a starting corner uh and then if you just have these situations where like there's so much pressure on DAC to be outstanding. And if just Dak's not that guy, then they have absolutely no shot. That's what happened here. Just didn't have a good day. It was pressured, wasn't crisp,

and this game wasn't even as close as a score. Any thoughts on Broncos Cowboys? No, because they scored in the fourth quarter, like a late touchdown. Yeah, it just wasn't, wasn't Dak's day. Bo Necks and the Broncos predicted played well against, I think, another defense that qualifies as like a really bad team that can prop up basically anyone when you run into a Denver offense that hasn't really played all that well, but I think has potential and has upside.

You know, they're obviously going to do fairly well here. Four touchdowns, one interception for Boenicks. J.K. Dobbins got going around the ground, felt like he just had, like, consistent, like, 10, 15-yard runs a couple times. And RJ Harvey Harvey had a nice big burst, too, two touchdowns. One was a direct snap, which was hilarious, too. Their usage continues to be just absolutely wild. Troy Franklin also got going as well on the Broncos side,

which I thought was cool to see again. And then Pat Bryant playing more to Marvin Mims again, just remains like an enigma. We just had no idea what we're going to see from Marvin Mims on a week-to-week basis. So more Sean Payton shenanigans there. And on the Cowboys side, I would say not too much many takeaways. They played a tough defense. They didn't play all that well overall.

And they got put behind early. And it's just tough to win from there. Yeah. I misspoke the Giants are hosting the Nguyen. Niners, that Monday night football game is the Cardinals, Cowboys. Yeah. You're probably like, what the hell is you talking about? So, yeah, the, still, I mean, 53, 54, it makes a little bit more sense, considering

that, you know, Dallas's offense is involved, but I still worry about the Cardinals pushing that. But any thoughts are, you know, on the Cowboys as we move forward. Again, DAC, just such a burden on DAC's shoulders. Yeah. No, I, so you said that, and then I, like, was like, well, that's crazy. And then I looked, and I was like, wait, oh, okay, it's Cardinals, but still, like, I mean, I don't know. I don't think the Cardinals are very good either, so.

But maybe, you know, again, I don't want to break my rules. I just said that the Cowboys Devens can prop up anyone. So, you know, I can't be going back against what I just said. But, I mean, the Cardinals, I want to continue fading them. But it is a problem when it's just basically Dak Prescott carrying the team. I think that Giovante could have a decent week against the Cardinals, though. Like, it could be more balanced over. all output. And then Dallas, you know, going forward, like we're getting, they got the buy in

week 10, I think should be fully healthy for a stretch that's a really uneven. It's like, you know, you got the Raiders, but then you got Philly, Kansas City, Detroit, really tough three-game stretch there. Minnesota, who knows what they'll be at that point, Chargers, kind of same thing. And then Washington and John. So it's like a couple of teams that are like borderline contenders slash have also played randomly awful from time to time and then a couple of bad teams and like just a really tough three game stretch so probably some you know season defining moments there to come i think probably after the bye yeah tough tough sledding for them again they're just they're going to have to win those

games that they're have 50 points totals basically right any any opponent that they're up against that has a pulse offensively uh really has a shot to put up a pretty big number so the pressure for DAC to carry them into 35 plus is really pretty high. You can do it against the Cardinals, that's for sure. All right, another wagon. The Colts, 3814, another game that was not as close as the score indicates. It just continues to get it done. Jonathan Taylor has been awesome.

Daniel Jones has been as good as you could ask for. Their defense continues to find ways to get it done. Titans are terrible. um again just weak punts i mean punting that like scenario where they like should have gone for a really bad third down play they're in colts territory it's early in the third mid through the third you're down 10 you're not you're not many many football games like what are you doing and you you punt punt flies into the end zone so you had no shot at actually downing them inside like like oh we're just going to pin them back nope ball's a 20 first play hand

handoff 80 yard johnton taylor touchdown just like impossible three minutes of uh you know real time for for titans fans i can't imagine uh just knowing that's that's just the end of it if you thought you had a pulse in that game it was over real quick here any takeaways from this one yeah i don't know if you saw but cam ward started yelling at the coaches after that happened he's like what are we doing you know like phrasing this kindly he's like what are we doing why are we punting you know like that's keeping it a buck man yeah keep it a buck we ask you know that's uh quote there from Cam Ward this this Colts team they get it looks like Pittsburgh on the road and then Atlanta two teams I think are very getable for them specifically the Steelers defense who I think

disappoints in a lot of ways here down the stretch and then you know Atlanta I just you know we've talked about this top I have no idea tens of we got from them could really go either way the Colts run defense is not very good but either was the Dolphins so or the you know the Panthers so I don't know there but then they get a little bit of a Colts at Kansas the city going to be a very interesting one that one's going to be a fun one after right out of the buy um so i don't know i mean colts right now plus 170 be the number one seed you mentioned that earlier as well with like them being favorites plus 170 is pretty rich even though i know they're seven to one yeah um i think there's going to be a couple of more a couple of closer games on

the stretch than who they played earlier because in hindsight the teams they played so far not very good and the teams they play gone forward at least a couple of i would say better teams yeah the bills like if you like the bills in the chiefs game next week i think you probably have a shot to just take bills number one seed um again the bills are the same record is the paths and the paths have the one up on them they both have a pretty easy soft schedule right you can also take paths to be number one seed if you like if you're full on past believer like seven to one um you know but bills i do agree with you like the colts numbers i don't think something you could back considering some of the matchups that they have they have coming up so

Again, their schedule is a lot more difficult than what the bills in New England faces as we kind of round into November, December here. So Colts on the road against Pittsburgh next week. Another healthy total, 49 and a half in that game, three pretty much across the board for the most part. Titans are, I don't even know where they're hosting the Chargers. They're also 10-point dogs. So any thoughts on either of those two games next week? I mean, Chargers are just going to absolutely punish the Titans, especially on the ground. Like, I don't even think they're going to have to throw the ball that much there, to be honest,

especially with their Albuoymanback, like you mentioned earlier. I mean, it's just this night and day difference for them and, like, how much time rubber had to throw when he did have to, which helped his A dot, you know, turned from a quick passing game to be able to, you know, shredded downfield. And then the Steelers, I don't, I don't know, man. I just, like, they played well for a lot of last, last night's game. and then the Packers, maybe there's more of the Packers kind of figuring it out offensively, but, like, they just started really dominating their defense kind of down the stretch. And the Steelers just decided to stop running the ball. Like, they were crushing on the ground with Jalen Warren and Kenneth Gainwell.

And then, I don't know, Rogers just decided I'm not doing that anymore. And they fell behind by and, like, three points and then just threw it, like, 75% of the time in the second half. And it didn't work out for them at all. So, I mean, they just don't have the guys to do that. like i think rogers still kind of got it in some capacity yeah um but he like when you're throwing to dkate mecf's good but not like good enough for what he needs calvin austin's not good enough friar mooth johnu darnel like pretty rag tag bunch there yeah yeah a lot of jumbo sets uh i think that's probably their best path to beating the colts here too was kind of leaning

on rogers and having him try to cook here a little bit so uh it'll be interesting interesting game i mean And I just, I worry about the Steelers defense holding up. We just haven't seen it. Like, it hasn't been there all season long. Good running teams have been able to kind of dictate whatever they want to do against them. And Jonathan Taylor is kind of a unit right now. So that would be a tough spot for them for sure. Yeah, no, no interest in anything that's going on in Tennessee there.

So, all right, last game. We just kind of touched on. The Packers 35, Steelers, 25. Again, Jordan Love, sometimes just looks so uneven. But then there's sometimes like this where he just can absolutely get the ball going and pushing downfield. Utilizing a lot of yak here as they get kind of healthy too. Again, still not fully healthy with Reed still to come back. But again, that offense has some upside.

The defense still has some dogs. They get healthy. They get some guys back this week. Any thoughts on Packer Steelers? Yeah, I think Jordan Love kind of, I don't know, slow. started slow, as I word, but completed over 20 plus in a row at one point in the game last night, which was just insane. Like he was getting stuff going underneath, a lot of like dump-offs to craft that he was

just like, you know, bullying his way downfield. So I mean, we've said it since the beginning, like this Packers offense, if things are clicking, like they're just an elite unit. They're one of the best in the league. Getting Christian Watson back, I thought was good, too. They continue their receiver rotation. Golden taking a bit of a backseat here. Wix was out.

I don't know if, like, when, do we have an update of Jaden Reed timeline, like when he's coming back? Like, never. Is he done? I don't know. He had two surgeries. Well, right?

He had, like, he had something he was fighting through. And then when he got hurt, they just did both surgeries while he was in there. So, I'm seeing November. I mean, like, if you get Jaden Reed back for, like, a December playoff, I mean, December, like, you know, kind of end of the season,

work him in for the playoff. playoffs like I don't think they have really anyone dominant but they have a lot of versatility with like read golden dobs wicks and uh christian watson just kind of like rotating those guys in and then tucker craft you know a tight end and manuel wilson's playing really well too he looked he looks good at times he's kind of like he's not very quick he's like kind of slow but then like in the i don't know like the four to seven eight yard span he seems like he picks up a little more steam and it was like kind of hidden guys and like kind of moving through contact but like like one through four like he's real slow like he he moves like a a truck just like like

takes a little while to get ramped up and then finally he's like okay but i don't know it's just like well i don't know if i'm impressed watching but he's playing better than he was earlier in his career he runs the 800 he doesn't he's not a sprinter right exactly right he just he needs a full he needs a full two laps to get himself going once he gets on you know that second 400 he's fine but yeah you don't want him in the blocks to sprint so yeah like you said there's not like a guy it's probably craft but there's just a lot of complimentary pieces that are all above average they all i think compliment loves skill set well too a lot of yak a lot of guys that can win deep he loves to chuck a deep they love to take those shots and i can still think really highly of

the defense too and they look pretty good um last night i think davante wyatt in the interior getting him back i think is really impactful he was out for a couple weeks uh he just allows them to do i think a lot of different things up front and they got pretty creative with mica and you want to see that right just don't stick Mike on the same side. Don't do what the Steelers do, actually, with T.J. Watt is literally the same side every play. Move him around. Maybe you put him as like a, you know, offball linebacker and have him blitz and pick up different spots.

Like, find the mismatches along the offensive line and put your best player there. Like, I'm surprised the Steelers don't do that. He had some interior rushes, too, that were awesome. Like, he was, like, shredding the, you know, the guards of the Steelers. Like, he was just like, you know, he was being two guys at a time, like, split in the center in the guard. and just ripping them. I thought that was pretty cool

is that they were just, like, moving them around a ton. He was getting, he was wreaking havoc with pressure on Rodgers, even if he wasn't getting a sack. So, I don't know, the way they're using him is awesome. Packers run defense on outside runs, kind of hurt them a little bit early in the game. Like Warren was sprung a couple, gainwell sprung a couple,

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