Move The Line - NFL Draft 2023 RUMOR Mill: INSIDER Predictions & Breakdowns

Episode Date: April 26, 2023

Join us for a deep dive into the 2023 NFL Draft rumor mill with insider predictions and expert breakdowns. We'll explore the latest rumors and speculation surrounding the top prospects such as Will Levis and Bijan Robinson, team needs, and draft-day strategies. From potential top picks to sleepers and surprises, we've got you covered on all the latest buzz leading up to the big day. Don't miss this exclusive analysis from our team of NFL experts.Timestamps:0:00 Intro10:07 Houston Texans Draft Prediction 24:52 Arizona Cardinals Draft Preview34:33 What Will The Raiders Do?44:18 Christian Gonzalez’s Best Fit?46:25 How Will The Middle Picks in Round 1 Go?56:27 Myles Murphy-Jaguars Connection?1:04:16 OutroShow Notes: Subscribe to 4for4's Betting Package 👉🏼 https://www.4for4.com/plansDeposit $5 With Promo Code 4FOR4BETS on No House Advatage to get a 3-Month 4for4 Betting Subscription 👉🏼 https://4for4.co/40CeWYaDeposit $5 With Promo Code 4FOR4BET on Vivid Picks to get a 3-Month 4for4 Betting Subscription 👉🏼 https://4for4.co/3NaBrzNFollow 4for4 on Twitter 👉🏼 https://twitter.com/4for4footballFollow 4for4 Bets on Twitter 👉🏼 https://twitter.com/4for4betsFollow Move the Line on Twitter 👉🏼 https://twitter.com/MoveTheLineNFLFollow Connor on Twitter 👉🏼 https://twitter.com/ConnorAllenNFLFollow Ryan on Twitter 👉🏼 https://twitter.com/RyNoonanFollow Scott on Twitter 👉🏼 https://twitter.com/scottsmithffFollow Nick on Twitter 👉🏼 https://twitter.com/FantasyLawGuyVisit our Website 👉🏼 https://www.4for4.com/Join our Discord 👉🏼 http://discord.gg/4for4Subscribe to our YouTube Channel 👉🏼 https://4for4.co/3OupraJ4for4 Betting Strategy Hub 👉🏼 https://4for4.co/3hm39cw4for4 Betting Picks 👉🏼 https://4for4.co/3LUp0EaNFL Draft Bets & Mock Drafts 👉🏼 https://4for4.co/3okChzm

Another day in draft world and it is crazy as ever. We're going to continue to comb through the latest news and all the market movement with Connor Allen and Scott Smith. We have a guest for you today as well. We're going to touch on all the wild stuff going on as we approach draft day. Let's get it going. Hello and welcome to Move the Line. And the chat is right. Always take me over on the start time for us here.

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Nick, welcome to the show. You look very fancy. I got a backwards hat on today. You're Guy, at Fantasy Law Guy on Twitter. It is Nick Garcero. Nick, welcome to the show. You look very fancy. I got a backwards hat on today. You're like, you got a shirt and tie and there's definitely like accomplishments behind you. What's going on, buddy? Welcome to the show. Yeah, I'm in my classroom right now. So I just finished work and I got to say it was, I enjoy teaching. I love it. It's my passion. I'm also an attorney, but I just transitioned to teaching. I got to say, though, it was a tough day to be in the classroom without a phone with everything that went on today and the betting in the draft world. I think Bobby Schmurder is telling you he could see some of your registration numbers behind you so you want to make sure you know you dull your screen here this is this is not someone you want to trust with uh information that you need uh kept secret he's he's not he's not on the up and up but uh he's probably totally messing with you but yeah we're excited to be back if you've uh hanging out with us for the first time

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and on about that. But let's just talk about the Uncle Ronnie conversations with what's going on with Will Levis being the number one pick and what do you interpret from any of that? Yeah. Like I mentioned, I was teaching during it, but I came across all of it. And I honestly couldn't believe as I was scrolling up through our thread of like hundreds of text messages and stuff like and Twitter messages. I honestly couldn't believe really what I was reading. Now, I will admit I am every April. I go on the Reddit forums. I like to go on every single team's forum and see if there's any nuggets that any Reddit users are saying that I can find valuable. Now, normally, it's not really

the case, but occasionally, I'll go to the Lions forum and see, oh, well, they like to draft this position and with this measurable. I'm like, okay, I'll put it in my notes. So it was kind of funny that it was Reddit today, some random user really tilting the entire sports betting market. Luckily, the storm had kind of passed by the time I was able to really access my phone. And by that point, a couple of people, I think Jay Glazier had already reported that, hey, Bryce Young actually is the pick indeed. I don't know about this uncle guy, but I think it's going to be Bryce Young there. So I personally didn't make any bets. I haven't changed anything about my draft. I still have Levis going to, I mean, I'm wavering or waffling between pick two and four.

Right now I currently have him at pick four to Indianapolis, but yeah, really no change for me there. But yeah, Levis is picking up a lot of steam, as you mentioned. I do think he's going to land in the top four picks. Connor, we tried to get the guy on. He's not responded to come on and join us in the show and kind of back up his firsthand. Sounds like a firsthand account.

Will Levis himself told him that Carolina told him that he is going number one. But what are your thoughts of kind of what's transpired since and how to capitalize on it or make any sense of it? Yeah. So for those who are completely unaware, this morning, around eight hours ago from now, we had a guy named SaleAgreeable2834 post on Reddit Sportsbook saying, Will Levis is currently 40-1 to be the first overall pick. Well, ladies and gentlemen, he's telling friends and family Carolina will, in fact, take him on Thursday. You're welcome.

Period. There are now 1.3 thousand comments on this Reddit thread. I screenshotted that and then looked at his comments. And if you look through his comments there, he said, Oh, I'm like one of his friends, you know, Carolina just put up a smoke screen with Bryce for two weeks. They're taking him. So I'm putting as much money down as possible. And people on Reddit are buying it.

You know, they think this is the next game stop. They're like pumped to just like ride this shit to the moon. Think that they're going to be, you know, making, getting rich off of it. I mean, I think it's complete bullshit, but you know i think this guy he made his reddit account seven days ago scott and i both messaged him this guy made his red account seven days ago his other post in between posting this was about like an actor's physique and whether he would be casted enough for the joker in the new uh batman movie so hence the uh hence the new Batman movie. Hence the thumbnail here that Sal made with

Will Levis' face in the Joker. I know Josh Norris tweeted that out as well. So yeah, I didn't read Will Levis is being cast as the Joker, but he's not going number one overall, guys. I'm willing to say that pretty confidently.

Scott, where are you at on all this nonsense? Look, as a connoisseur of ancient aliens and conspiracy theories, I am firmly entrenched in the theory that this is the former Texans coach,

Lovie Smith, sitting back undercover with a beer in his hand laughing his ass off at everybody because he's the one who has us in this position right now where we're wondering and having to figure out they would have just lost one more game. Houston would have the number one pick. It'd be Bryce young one shroud number two, and the rest of this shit would be like figured out and we'd have some

clarity. So that's the conspiracy theory I'm going with. We did reach out to him kind of as a gag just to see if he would respond. Naturally he didn't, it would have some clarity. So that's the conspiracy theory I'm going with. We did reach out to him kind of as a gag, just to see if he would respond. Naturally he didn't, it would have been awesome to go ahead and have him on the show if he would have reached out and said anything, but look, we're still in the same boat that we're in. Essentially there's, there's four players that you're looking at there at two and it's Stroud,

it's Levis. Levis has been getting more on the quarterback side. And we talked about it from a defensive standpoint. It's Will Anderson and Tyree Wilson. Tyree Wilson seems to have gotten a clearance as far as his medicals go with Houston. And then just an hour ago, Daniel Jeremiah on a local Houston radio station was saying that he'd be absolutely shocked if it's not a quarterback at two.

And his reasoning behind this is simply that you're not going to have a chance to draft the quarterback after two if you pass on for a defensive player. If you're thinking he's going to drop to 12, then it's unlikely and you'd be unsure of that happening. If you're thinking that you're going to go ahead and move up whether it be from 12 to 3 12 to 7 if you value the player that much to move up then you should value them enough to draft them at 2 um logically that makes sense to me i still tend to think that stroud's a little bit better or higher up on my evaluations than what i have is will levis be in but you know but we've kind of had sources reach out

and tell us that Levis is entrenched as the number two quarterback on Houston's board. So if you're going to go in one of these two camps, you're going to have to make a decision. I think it's either going to be Levis or you're split between Tyree Wilson and Will Anderson. And right now it seems like it's going to be Tyree Wilson over Anderson. Yeah, Connor, what do you make of that?

Do you make of anything in terms of what we saw from an Eric asked in the chat here too, from Frank Wright's press conference today, feeling pretty good about the Bryce Young stuff. But you know, I think that the Daniel Jeremiah stuff, and we're reading some of the tea leaves as we talked before, before we went live around what we're anticipating Daniel Jeremiah's mock looks like tomorrow morning since he stated today it's already in um so again like that could be a little stale but that sounds like based off of that interview in the Houston radio uh that sounds like he's probably going to have a quarterback there yeah and I wouldn't be surprised to see him have CJ Stroud there to be honest I think I like I

because if he's so entrenched that it's going to be a quarterback i mean he has to just draw higher he thinks he's a better quarterback he's gone to record saying that uh unless you get some intel here and we've already talked about it before the show that i mean jeremiah's missed on houston's pick i mean i mean he missed both times last year i don't think that he's especially plugged in there outside of being especially plugged in for the rest of the league uh in terms of two uh I think that right now we're looking at two things I feel really good about. That's Nick Casario is on the hot seat, and that the owner did step in and hired D'Amico Ryans.

And then on the other hand, we have that Will Levis is their number two quarterback on the board. So you factor those two things in. Does that mean that the owner steps in and tells them you have to draft a quarterback does that mean the nick casario feels like i'm gonna lose my job if i don't have a quarterback it does like you know there's there's all these different factors that how we all interpret those i i think can vary and that's kind of why i think we have varying opinions in the space right now so yeah like that's kind of where i'm at. And I think,

I think that it's going to be a quarterback, but if we're looking at, you know, all the factors here, like, I mean, Casario, I think if you give him a long-term solution, if you gave him like two years for sure, he's absolutely taking Tyree Wilson at number two or at, uh, or Will Anderson. So I don't know. I'm, I'm interested in your next opinion on this whole thing and how it's kind of shaken out. Um, I think the best argument for the tech, I found the most persuasive argument for the Texans passing on a quarterback being that the Lance Zerline himself reported that the pick was for sale. And it kind of jives with,

I believe what you were saying earlier, Connor, it might've been Scott, but somebody was saying earlier that, oh, well, if the Texans, if Daniel Jeremiah is saying that the Texans won't get their quarterback at 12, why would you wait to 12?

Why wouldn't you feel confident enough to take him at two? It kind of jives with that because I think that if the Texans, the quarterback is the most important position of all sports. You don't sit there and tell people, tell teams that your pick is for sale if you plan to take a quarterback there. Because if you have a quarterback that you like, you know, you're going to take them. So to me, I think that's

probably the most persuasive argument that they will pass on a quarterback. And the second most persuasive argument, in my opinion, is what just happened an hour ago, right around the same time that Daniel Jeremiah stated that he expects the quarterback, the Texans to take a quarterback. Lance Erlein tweeted, who's probably the most reliable Texan source out there, tweeted that it was kind of like a, I don't know if the hay was in the barn, but it was kind of like a, I told you so tweet. That's how I interpret it. That Tyree Wilson is a strong consideration and me reading the tweet kind of my assumption was he's going to mock Wilson in his final mock to the Texans at pick two. So I don't know whether they traded or not. I think that's a factor as well. Like maybe if you're torn in terms of mock strategy, if you're torn between Wilson and Levis, which I kind of am, maybe the tiebreaker is that the Texans could trade the pick and they still want to. And then another team is more inclined to take Levis probably rather as opposed to trading up for Wilson. So I see to me, it's,

it's looking like Will Anderson's probably not going to the pick, not going to be the pick despite the Alabama connections there with Cesario and even D'Amico Ryans. But, but so to me, I just moved Tyree Wilson there after seeing Lance's tweet. And that was after me having Levis there for the last, I don't know, I want to say 48 hours. So it's very fluid. And the fact that Jeremiah and Zerline are competing against each other is just speaks to the unpredictability here. The board is wide open at pick two. It's funny because I think we could have had this, we could have guessed that we would have this level of unpredictability because last year we didn't know at all. But now it's just that the Texans have so much more of a consequential pick at number two,

instead of three, where we're like, oh, maybe they'll pick Evan Neal or some offensive lineman or maybe a corner, but it doesn't really matter that much. Now, I mean, it's a draft altering decision where if they go with Tyree at two, from our understanding, you know, the Cardinals like Tyree, they don't particularly like Will Anderson. And so do they go with Paris Johnson if they're not able to trade down? Because Schrager said like they're trying to, but they don't really have any offers that they're super excited about. So if they stay put at three, like what are they doing there? Where the vice versa, like if the Texans take Levis at two, I think they probably just take Tyree at three.

So it's like a, you know, completely alters the, the, the outlook of the draft there. And this is also worth noting too, as well. DJ said last night, he'd be floored if it was Levis at two. He said this on the show. I remember posting the clip. I sent it to you guys as well. He said, yeah, not surprised, but absolutely shocked. So, I mean, the math there just kind of isn't, you know, math-ing

because if he's floored that it would be Levis, but he's also floored if they didn't take a QB, he's kind of quartering himself in his stride, right? Right. This is where having a big board and having take lock in terms of talent evaluation and player evaluation becomes problematic because the first and only DJ mock we've had all year had Will Levis in 19. So it's indicative of where he thought Will Levis is as a player. So it's really

hard for him to have that type of eval as a player. I don't mean this to knock Lance Zerline or Daniel Jeremiah. They're all super plugged in. They've been doing this for a very long time. They have connections and sources totally. And I'm not poking holes in it but dj had ikia kwanu going to the texans last year so not only didn't they not take him he didn't have the position right so it's not like he his sources there are like infallible and locked in um zur line as well like zur line nailed it last year but you look back in previous years Gerlain has not been like just someone that we have to take it as gospel for sure he was first last year in those guys he deserves credit he's plugged in I'm not poking holes in in him being

sourced but a lot of things that make that kind of lineup makes sense to me so the one thing that is was interesting to me today is that we had heard on friday uh in some back channels and some of the sourcing that got us on levis to begin with it too is that the patriots were very very interested in will levis in trading up they loved him coming in they brought him in and loved him um the other teams that seem to love will levis are the raiders there's some new eng England corollary there. And the Texans who also obviously Nick Casario, there's a lot of New England ties there as well. So like that doc connecting is not very hard to understand that all of a sudden, because,

and I talked to Scott about this before we got going, like Ben Solak was talking about this the other day too. And I think it makes a lot of sense is that these quarterbacks were all pretty bunched up a little bit before the combine. And what happened was, is when we had to trade with Carolina to move up to select one, and we had this like instant, like dot connecting of CJ Stroud, everyone's perception of who was next outside of Bryce Young was that it was

in Stroud. So then it became, it's really weird for people to be like, well, why would we be talking about Will Levis? It's clearly CJ Stroud. young was that it was in strap so then it became it's really weird for people to be like well why would we be talking about will levis it's clearly cj stroud whereas i don't think that that's how everyone sees it because of some of the helmet scouting and uh you know he's throwing to the best wide receiver core that he'll ever have in his entire life there are holes and the will levis thing is like hey he played in a at college in a Liam Cohen, Sean McVay system. You're going to bring Will Levis in house. He's going to get on the whiteboard and he's going to talk NFL in a way that's very different

than Anthony Richardson and the way that CJ Stroud was doing it. And so I'm not shocked. I think it's just the way our minds shifted when the CJ Stroud stuff started to steam up, I think changed everyone's perception of Will Levis. So I feel a little bit more confident than ever that I feel like it's going to be Will Levis. And I know that I'm fine a little bit out on the islands. I have some hedges with Tyree Wilson.

But man, I just, you can't, when your two division rivals are also in the mix for the same player, the same position, kicking the can down the road to 12 or to another year seems like a really bad way to manage a team even though you have a quarter a new coach with a long leash and all these different things i just feel like you have to adjust the position it's a tough sell to go in last year with davis mills to run it back with davis mills and case keenum and what jeff driscoll in the red zone again seems like a really bad way to build a roster and we have really smart teams talking about every year you should be taking shots every other year take a shot at the quarterback position because that's that's we know the code having a serviceable quarterback on a rookie deal is how you can really propel yourself from last to first in a quick quick way so i think it's

will levis i think he's clearly their their quarterback too. And we'll see what happens with DJ and Lance and those should be respected, but I don't know. I feel pretty good about it. And I think that the Mac trade makes a ton of sense. I don't love it as a Patriots fan. I think Mac is getting the hose and should have a chance to be able to go out and show what he did as a rookie. But, yeah, that's kind of where I'm at with it. I feel like it's Lance. And I'll end up mocking Lance, and I'm probably going to not really hedge off of it. I'm sorry, Lance, Will Levis. I'll be mocking Will Levis.

You're going to mock Lance Zierlein? I'm not going to mock Lance Zierlein or Trey Lance. I will be mocking Will Levis to the Texans. So sorry, I took the floor for a long time, Connor, but that was some of the stuff that's been kind of percolating here for the last hour or so. No, I think we're all pretty much in agreement there for the most part. So, Nick, you did say, though,

that you're probably going to have Tyree in your final mock, correct? I did not say that. I currently have him right now is what I said. But I'm still – yeah, Levis is definitely in consideration. I did mention that those are the two players that it's really coming down to in my opinion, but I did make the switch today to Wilson. But I think that there are great arguments to be made. Ryan just made several of them that it probably could be uh Levis as well

it's not one that I think hedging is is probably an accurate word to describe about how I've approached the uh the second pick I have some Levis bets and I also have some Tyree bets so yeah so I don't know it's going to be interesting and I think it's it's worth all the time because it is such an inflection point on what happens. It's a massive domino for mock draft because it really, you're going to, you're going to be a quarterback behind and that's going to be reflective. That's going to have be consequential for a lot of picks. I think that most accurate mock drafts,

obviously it's harder to go in terms of mock draft strategy. Obviously it's exponentially more difficult after the top 10 10 as the draft goes on to hit on picks. And so if you don't get your top 10 right, at least probably five or six in the top 10, you're at a massive disadvantage in terms of competing with other experts like you guys. And it's just and, you know, thousands of other mock drafters out there who are submitting to these contests. You really have to hit on about five or six of your top 10 players. And if you miss pick two, I I'm freaking out about it. I'm very nervous about it, honestly, because if you miss it, it really can set you back in a major way to where you're going to have to make up to it for it by hitting on picks later.

And the odds are more against you than it would be hitting on early picks. The mocks that hit on the first three picks last year, like Stingley being third pick especially, fared a lot better because there weren't a ton of matches after that top 10, typically, unlike the standard matches. Yeah. The other part I missed, I think Mike Girardi from, I believe that works for the NFL network plugged into a new England sports was tweeting out today about the will Levis,

a new England love. And you go into the comment section. It's like, why you're trolling, you're doing anything for clicks. But I think that there is some there, there again, I'm buying that i

ryan i'm absolutely buying that i'm sorry to cut in but i i'm very strong on that in fact i'm not only applying it to the texans i'm mainly applying it to the raiders at seven as well in terms of my analysis and predictions there because i think that the fact that they can't a lot of that front office came from new england is strongly indicative of the players that they may target there. Devin Witherspoon, the cornerback there, I think New England would love. And therefore, I think the Raiders are probably going to love, not to mention the cornerback's position of need. Peter Skowronski, I feel an offensive line in general. Those are priorities for Bill Belichick in New England. So, yeah, I mean, I'm applying this further than just the Texans and Cesario there.

I mean, this goes to the Raiders is for me. I'm not going to be mocking anybody to the Raiders that I don't think Bill Belichick in New England would take themselves. Yeah. The trickle down effect, as you mentioned, in terms of some over-unders with the way guys shift down the board. Connor, Scott, and I were talking about some things earlier today where we start to feel really solid about whether it's Levis or some other stuff there in the top five. There ends up probably being a number of plays

that come from us right after that. Because then that kind of, you know, just once we feel locked in, there'll be a few different things that we can you know confidently push out to subscribers through our discord so uh scott where are you at with some of the next stuff and i you know you can take it wherever you want i would love to get nick's circle back with nick after and talk about the um seahawks and lions in the quarterbacks position there but i'll let you have the floor scott tickets wherever you want yeah the one last one last thing I would talk about with Houston that gives me a little bit of pause for concern is that, uh, when you talk, start talking about Casario as the GM for Houston,

he has now not gotten any of the coaching hires that he wanted. So if he doesn't even have the authority to pull the string on the coaches that he wants to hire, what's making us think that he's really going to be the one pulling the trigger here for Houston as far as the pick goes? So that's just one other thought that I kind of have as far as Houston. But I think the next really spot that we have to look at is Arizona, and they're kind of getting held up with all this stuff that's going on at one and two and the thought process there. I think if C.J. Stroud does happen to fall,

you should have a team that wants to go ahead and move up, whether it be Tennessee or even Detroit that I've talked about for a few weeks. There has been some rumors that Detroit's the absolute floor for C.J. Stroud. So you could even have the Raiders move up possibly. There's a lot of options there. And I think the one thing that has stuck out to me throughout this entire draft process is that the Cardinals, with their visits, have used a lot of visits to go ahead and

look at offensive lines, specifically offensive tackle. And we've had some information about Paris Johnson being highly valued by even another team that's willing to move up to three. We had some information come out that Kyler Murray's interested in Paris Johnson. So when you start kind of looking and mapping out where some of these players are going to go, you know, Paris Johnson might not go three, but are the Cardinals, when they're open to go ahead and move down, whether that be with the Raiders at seven, are they going to move down far enough to where they might miss out on Paris Johnson if he is their guy outside of those

top defensive ends. And you have Kyler Murray coming out and stating specifically by name that he wants Paris Johnson in-house too, which is again, he's got a long leash. He's got a nice contract that should state that he should probably have a little bit of say. Connor, where are you at with this stuff? Yeah, Eric mentioned Paris Johnson top five plus 500. I don't hate it. I mean, it's not something that I think that there's a mass amount of value on, but kind of like we talked about at the beginning here, if Tyree's not there, I don't genuinely know what they're going to do

if they're at pick three and they're not able to trade down. So, yeah, I don't think it's a terrible look. I kind of like the Cardinals draft an offensive lineman, uh, first pick regardless. That's like plus 200. It's only a draftings right now. Cause they've been, I think they're scared about this, but like kind of what Scott said, they've been doing a lot of work on offensive lineman. If they trade back, I would say it's like 90% they're taking offensive lineman as long as they're in the range for any of their offensive lineman. If they don't trade back, I still think like if Tyree is gone, which it seems like we're at a decent chance of that at this point, I know where you guys are on the outside looking in for that, but still like there's still a chance to

take Paris Johnson there. So I think there's like multiple outs for that kind of bet. And I, I'm still confident they're able to get something done. They probably just take, you know, half of the normal amount of value because when it comes down to it, like when they're going to look at this draft in hindsight, would they rather have, you know, pick 11 and maybe an extra second or something like that, or just pick three? Like if they have these guys all kind of grouped together and they don't really value Tyree Wilson is like a true difference maker, you know, like maybe they decide that it's worth it. So move down to 11 or seven or something like that. Now the question is, why did the Raiders or Titans want to move up? Is that still actually true? And that's something

I'm not entirely sure about. So that's, I'm wavering on it a little bit, but I still think that like two to one, isn't the bad look. If they do trade down at all, I feel pretty good about them going off. It's one. Yeah. I'm buying the interest in Paris Johnson as well. For Arizona, I think like Scott mentioned, the visits are pretty indicative of what they might be interested in. They are reminding me last year of when the Texans picked Kenyon Green, a lot of people, not Lance Erlein, but a lot of people were surprised. I was surprised, especially with where they picked him. But I was looking back at my notes from last year because I like to just see, you know, should I have assumed that this was coming?

Maybe not. But there was a stat that really stuck out. I tracked the offensive line starts, and the Texans were last place last year in the amount of possible starts for their starting five offensive linemen to start the year. They were 32nd, meaning basically their offensive line was torn up by injuries that year. Well, this year's team that's 32nd is the Arizona Cardinals.

So to me, it kind of, it's just reminding me that sometimes mocking the draft can be a little more simple than a lot of experts like to believe. Like, I like to start first thing, like, do they need offense more or do they need defense? Right. And it's not that okay I'm gonna eliminate all offensive players there but you know I I like to just see from a threshold perspective you know do they need offense more defense and then what are the positions they really need the most the the hard part about Arizona is that nobody's really questioning

that they need an offensive tackle they have beachum, but he's older and it's more like a one-year deal. And then obviously Humphreys got hurt last year and missed like half the season. So nobody's really, and then Josh Jones, a free agent, 24. Nobody is really questioning that they need offensive tackle. The hard part about Arizona is that they also have massive needs at cornerback, which is Gonzalez and Witherspoon are right there if they trade down, and also obviously defensive end or defensive line altogether. We could be here all day listing the needs of the Cardinals.

Right, yeah, that's true. But the three primary needs, yeah, you have Will Anderson. But I do find it weird that the Cardinals did not travel to Alabama Pro Day. I thought that that was a little weird. I don't think they're interested in Will Anderson. If I had to bet the trade-down targets would be Christian Gonzalez and Parrish Johnson Jr. So, yeah, I'm buying the Arizona interest in Parrish Johnson, maybe at three.

I think they'd obviously like to trade down, but they don't love it. I could see it. I could see it at three I really could what a disaster just yeah I know I'm not saying no I know I I don't I don't disagree with you I just we talked about a little bit yesterday like he caught her briefly mentioned that there you take 50 cents on the dollar from whatever the trade charts tell you you gotta do you gotta get more stuff because you were about to list literally every position on the roster outside of quarterback. And then I think the quarterback is a viable conversation as well,

but it's a whole nother topic for another show, but yeah. Yeah, it is for sure. And I think it gets weakened by other than a quarterback going to right. There's just fewer options to board for teams to want to trade up to. So yeah, it's a very, very interesting spot too. This is why it doesn't stop with the questions at two to me, like who trades up to three is very interesting. Stroud versus Richardson at four. Theoretically, if Levis is gone, where we feel like Levis is the Colts preference at four, if he's off the board,

do they like Stroud or Richardson more? No one has a great feel for that. And then really we keep talking about, like Scott mentioned, Tom McShay mentioning that C.J. Stroud absolute parachute situation is six to Detroit. And then you have teams that will tell you Seattle is like quarterback, yes or no, Jalen Carter, yes or no. We have no idea really what's going on there. I just don't feel really confident in any of the reporting. Connor, is there anything that you've kind of gleaned in the last 24 48

hours about really i guess anything here in the top six that we've talked about so far i mean is it too much like galaxy branding to bet cj stroud sixth overall it's like 12 to 1 i think there's like a very real scenario where it happens i know that it seems a little crazy from where we came before, but if we go to the scenario that the Texans don't take Will Levis and, you know, two and three end up being defensive players. Will Levis goes for, are the Seahawks going to take CJ Stroud or Anthony Richardson?

They've been way more linked to Anthony Richardson and potentially could take Jalen Carter. Potentially could take, well, you know, I don't think they're taking Carter, but you know, like people are saying they could, um, or they take Anthony

Richardson and Stroud sitting there at six. I mean, he's 12 to one. Like, I don't think that that's that crazy compared to the odds. Um, so I don't know, just, you know, just a thought there. I mean, I've asked, I sprinkled, you know, six, seven and eight, just because the odds were long enough. And I think that he legit could face like a draft. They fall now watching falls like 11 or some crazy shit. But, um, that was kind of like, I just keep thinking more about these like different volatile scenarios here. And I think Willie Anderson kind of fits in the same bucket of a guy where we just talked about Texans don't want him at three Cardinals though, or Texans don't want him at two Cardinals. One of the three, he's not going for Seahawks would

probably love him at five. But I mean, again, there's another scenario where maybe they prefer a quarterback in Anthony Richardson, or maybe they're higher on Tyree Wilson and Tyree somehow falls to five instead. And you know, the top four end up being quarterbacks. And then you're looking at what will Anderson six. I mean, there's some crazy scenarios and he's like eight to one, you know, to be six overall pick. I think that those two guys specifically are, are really volatile. And one last one that I found interesting, I kind of like Anthony Richardson to be a top five pick or under five and a half plus money.

It can be, um, I think there's a chance that he can goes for, if we'll have us goes to, and I think there's a chance to see oxygen straight up like him over any of the other defensive players, maybe even over Willie Anderson or anyone else at five. So I feel you have two reasonable outs there.

If we get more confirmation, 11 is two. I would be really interested in under five and a half. Yeah, I think it's, I think it's a great look anyway. I have interest in, I think we've played a little bit of under four and a half to,

again, if you can get plus money on the five and a half, I think that that gives you an extra out. The Seahawks have not had a double digit sack guy on the team since Frank Clark, I think that that gives you an extra out. The Seahawks have not had a double-digit sack guy on the team since Frank Clark, I think in 2017. So they have been really without this. And then they had a Draymond Jones in free agency to kind of fill a little bit more of the interior defensive line.

It doesn't mean that they don't need more, but they just don't have a lot of pass rushing on the team. So I can understand why they would be enamored with a willa anderson kind of falling down to them a little bit too but again like this is why these teams feel like they're luxury picks in terms of what seattle and detroit can do so uh we're waiting on the raiders news do the raiders still interested in the corner uh in the quarterback if one can be available we've heard corner uh and as we mentioned like really outside of like nate hobbs they don't really have anything on the roster at corner but like we could do what nick was going to do with

arizona with the raiders as well they really have a like just a plethora of needs uh scott anything that you're hearing or feeling about the raiders as we currently sit here i've heard through multiple different different areas that devon witherspoon is the guy that they are super interested in um we've had some back channels that that you know through our sources that that but i think when you start looking at some of the mainstream media that have come out with their mock drafts i think bucky brooks had them at devin witherspoon to the Raiders. I think Peter King, Devin Witherspoon to the Raiders. I've seen a mock draft that Ben Standig did on his podcast. It was Devin Witherspoon to the Raiders.

So you're starting to get a lot of smoke there, and I think the only out that you have for him not to go to the seven at the Raiders is if they either move up for a quarterback, which it would take a specific quarterback for that to happen, or if he goes there to Detroit. And I just tend to think that Detroit are going to have players that they value positionally ranked higher than what Devin Witherspoon is there. And then the other thing I fall back on is at 18, there's still going to be like cornerback

talent there for them to go. Emmanuel Forbes is a guy that they have been connected to throughout this process. Um, even before Forbes started getting a lot of the steam, um, to be a first round pick. So I tend to think that Devin Witherspoon sitting there at seven makes a lot of sense. We can't steam Emmanuel Forbes too much. He will literally fall over. Um, but yeah, I, I'm open to that too because we've been kind of, you know, systematically locking onto Devin Witherspoon, but I kind of agree that the way the board looks like it's falling, I'd be hard-pressed to think that if they were interested in the quarterback,

letting a quarterback slide, or if you get into the situation where, you know, Will Anderson falls, I'd be hard-pressed to see them going Witherspoon over Will Anderson there. Nick, any thoughts on the Raiders or really anything you want to talk about here at all? Well, you would have to have Seattle passing on Will Anderson. If we assume that the Texans or the Cardinals, and we can't really make assumptions like this, but if we do assume that Wilson will be one of those picks, whether it's at Houston at two or if the Cardinals stay at three, well, then it's really up to Seattle to take Anderson or a quarterback. And if they take a

quarterback there, then yeah, I think Detroit would definitely take Will Anderson over Witherspoon. But if Seattle doesn't take a quarterback there, I don't know. I see Detroit taking Witherspoon over Jalen Carter for one. And yeah, I'm not totally on the Jalen Carter's to Seattle train. Different people have said yes. Different people have said yes. Different people have said no. That matter in the industry. But overall, like as of now, I don't I have Carter falling a little further than five.

So, yeah, I if Detroit if Detroit sees Will Anderson there, then, yeah, I think they're going to take him. Otherwise, I do have him taking Witherspoon. But is it it is interesting. We're kind of seeing from a mocking perspective, we are finding Witherspoon pigeonholed into pick six or seven. It almost feels like close to as 50-50 of a shot that mockers are going to really have. And not a lot of these picks are really 50-50 shots, honestly. So that's going to go a long way on kind of who lands on heads, who lands on tails for that pick. Because it kind of, unless, there's always a chance

that they could go quarterback or something like that, and Stroud or whoever. But it does appear at this point, from a mocking perspective and even a betting perspective, that Witherspoon's going to go either pick six or pick seven. I agree with Scott. I do see the Raiders as kind of his floor. But there are ranges throughout this draft. We haven't even really discussed Anthony Richardson a lot yet. But like I was putting I had to do an article for Action Network and I was putting ranges on different players. And like Richardson's range is, in my opinion, like four to twenty three at Minnesota, which is a ridiculous range and helps almost nobody.

But but when you compare that to Witherspoon's, I think realistic range is probably six to seven. Could he go higher? Yeah, there are scenarios that happen, but realistically, in all likelihood, I think six to seven. It's one of the more refreshing ranges in terms of mock drafting, I would say. No, that's a good point. What do you got, Connor?

Yeah, no, I think Richardson, obviously massive range there. I think the more people I talk to is like, again, I like the under five and F just because I think you're getting plus money or like, you know, around even money there. And I think that he I tell people I talk to is like, again, I like the under five and F just because I think you're getting plus money or like, you know, around even money there. And I think that he's too good outs, but if he doesn't go there, I mean, there's just a chance that we're like way off. Like, you know, like we could just be like, we're here, heard smoke about Anthony Richardson, but

you know, he could be, I mean, he's better prospect than Malik Willis, obviously, but like, I'm talking like, you know, that something like that would not be surprising at all. One thing I keep going back to, I hear it a lot, like the Jalen Carter stuff at five and six. I'm just so out on it. Like I, I'm, I have my mind set up. He's not going five or six and I'm, I will take any act side action on it. I feel very strongly about at this point, there's a seven and a half, uh, at, you know, some shops plus money. I think I'm kind of interested in that too. Like, you know, obviously we talked about in the last show, but the more people we talk to and the more things like that, I just, I'm, I'm out on it. I think he's going way over his total. I think he ends up

at that. Maybe the Eagles trade up for him at eight. I think that maybe they trade them for seven. Um, and maybe if not, he'll follow the bears at nine, but I do not see him falling past the Bears at nine. You know, as far as specifically Jalen Carter, my thoughts on it are this. I think there is like real heat. You know, you've had those top guys and that's information that's coming from coaching staffs and some scouts and probably even some agents that he's not going to get past five or six. The chance is if he does get after six, my strong feeling is that you will see Philadelphia move up. I think Philadelphia values Jalen Corder more than any other team in this draft. I think they have the resources set up for him to succeed with N'Kobe Dean, Jordan Davis there.

You're talking about a winning franchise that has pretty much a dynasty set up. I would expect them to win a Super Bowl here in the next five years. The leadership that they have is a locker room that you would have a team, a player who's got some issues like that probably fall in line behind the other team, the rest of the teammates and stuff like that. I wholeheartedly expect, and you can go ahead and talk Raiders at seven, you can talk Atlanta at eight, that if Jalen Carter makes it past six, that Philadelphia will be the team that moves up to take them. Yeah, they have Fletcher Cox, too, also for leadership as well. So Carter may not be expected to come in and dominate.

Yeah, that's another reason I think the eagles really like nolan smith a lot because i think he won't be expected immediately to play with brandon graham and everyone there they have a lot of leadership along the defensive line you have a team that prioritizes defensive line and like you said the leadership from former teammates scott i totally agree i think i think if that it really to me at the two teams i'm looking at are chicago and philadelphia and the good news is that it looks like the eagles if they were to make that jump, which I'll totally I'll buy that. It looks like they would really only have to jump kind of one spot to go to Atlanta. I don't think the Raiders are in on Carter.

And we've talked about that. Yeah. So so to me, you're just jumping Atlanta and I think Atlanta is going to be very, very, I don't want to say eager, but accepting to moving back, considering who we've heard their targets are for me, for Atlanta, because we haven't talked about them a lot. For me, Atlanta is right now, but a three horse race between, uh, the John Robinson, Nolan Smith and, uh, Christian Gonzalez. And interestingly, I have Christian Gonzalez as being one of those players. Who's most likely to fall out of the top 10. Uh, I can see him going to the Raiders if Witherspoon's only in the scenario where there's spoons taken already before the Raiders. But so, yeah, maybe they go Gonzalez there.

But if not, let's say it's a three. Let's say I'm accurate, which I'm usually not. But let's say I'm accurate, assuming that Atlanta really likes those three guys. They could easily take Nolan Smith and Bajon Robinson. In fact, they probably are favored to do so. So could we see Gonzalez fall out of the top 10? I think that's one of the underplayed storylines right now

is that almost every mock kind of has, or a lot of mocks have Gonzalez in the top 10. I'm struggling to place them. I don't know about y'all. I really am. Arizona in a trade back, Atlanta maybe, but they love Bajon and Nolan, I i think and then i don't know carter's going to go somewhere at nine or ten so or to the eagles or bears so i don't know i'm struggling to

play gonzalez i don't know about y'all scott and i were talking about this a little bit earlier too and you know scott mentioned that he felt like the floor was 11 for gonzalez um but assuming that that's a trade down partner where maybe that's arizona and tennessee because really when you look at tennessee we could do the exercise with the titans really the only thing that they have redeeming on their roster is they actually have a pretty decent fairly young cornerback room so i don't think gonzalez is necessarily a titan's fit maybe he's in a fit to whoever the trade down partner is because the way i have it right now is and we're i'm far out right we have 36 hours i'm not locking into anything yet i have him down to

14 to new england because you kind of run into a dead zone right the patriots would take him um but as far as like green bay houston um just mentioned tennessee like i don't feel like those are spots for them so yeah gonzalez is definitely a viable outside the the top 10 play as i mentioned earlier that's one of those spots where we get some of that witherspoon news the over under and how some of the things can be impacted you know gonzalez is out there right now at eight and a half i mean seven is very very live and something i wouldn't want to be on the wrong side of if witherspoon's going six so we need a little bit more info before pulling the trigger there. But I'm circling back on what Scott was saying.

That trade makes so much sense for me for Philly to get ahead of Chicago, knowing that they both want the same guy, knowing that Jalen Carter feels very certain that that's the preference of the Bears and the preference of the Eagles, and the Eagles just know that that's just not going to happen if they stay at 10. So they have the ammo to make it work. Probably wouldn't be super expensive.

And then theoretically, that could check the other box where, you know, you don't have to take Bijan at eight, but you can take Bijan at 10. We've heard some reports of teams think Bijan's not falling outside of the top 10. That would still be fairly good for some of our bags as well. So yeah, I think Scott makes a great point there as well. Nick, what other nuggets do you have here before we let you go? Oh, man. Are we keeping at the top 10 here?

No, go anywhere you want. Anywhere I want. Okay, let's give some team. I guess we can talk about the teams and the teens here. The Green Bay, New England, that Jets range. I think Washington's a really interesting team as well. How high do y'all see Deontay Banks going? Because I think he has a range pretty from 16 maybe to Washington

all the way to probably maybe Baltimore or Minnesota would probably be the floor there. Where do y'all have banks? Scott, you've had some stuff there where you've had some teams talking about being higher on banks than even Joey Porter Jr. Yeah, I had an in-depth conversation with Ben Standard the other day. We sat and talked for a while. And, you know, earlier in the the process I thought Washington really had a strong sense that they would not pass on Joey Porter and after talking to Ben you know Ben reiterated that he doesn't necessarily think that Porter would be a scheme fit for what Washington wants to do

defensively and how they want to play I'd also heard through other channels that I think Deontay Banks is is higher on on that list for Washington than what Joey Porter is and even Brian Branch I think Brian Branch would be an excellent fit for a number of teams. It's just the athletic testing that hasn't necessarily worked out with a little bit of a slow 40 time. But I think Banks is definitely in play. I tend to think Washington is going to favor Darnell Wright, but I don't know that Darnell Wright falls that far down to him.

So I think Banks or Branch would be in play there for Washington at 16. But when it comes to Banks, I think you're right around that range. I think all the way down to 23 at Minnesota is kind of where I see maybe his floor. Worst case scenario would probably be 25 to the Giants. But I think that's going to be his range, and I think you're going to be surprised where he falls and that he does get picked higher than what Joey Porter does in the end. Scott, do we have anything on, I'm asking you off the cuff and you probably don't have it open. In terms of visits, you mentioned that the Lions in this scenario that we just talked about,

the Lions are not taking Devin Witherspoon, which would make you feel pretty good about pinpointing a corner to the Lions at 18. You mentioned Emmanuel Forbes having some visits there. Have they met with Banks? Do we have anything on visits with Banks and the Lions? I don't have that in my notes here for the Lions. I don't have them meeting with Banks, but I could be corrected. But I do have a couple of notes about Lions beat writers saying that they would probably like Deontay Banks if they pass on corner there. He's definitely a high option for me at 18. And Forbes is up there too.

I think that they would probably favor Banks over Forbes, but I wouldn't be surprised either way because I know a lot of teams really like Forbes and a lot of teams need corners. I really do think Forbes is going to go probably prior to, I really wanted to mock them at the Giants at 25, because I think it's a perfect fit for them, but I think they just end up going higher than that, honestly. But, but yeah, I mean, Detroit's definitely interesting for sure. I'm hearing stuff out of Detroit that they are prioritizing guard. And a lot of these people who are getting a lot of Osiris Torrance steam lately, based on what I'm reading, which I'm kind of surprised about because he's kind of been a quiet name throughout the process.

Early on, like a month ago, he was mocked constantly in late round one to like the bills and the saints and other things but then he kind of fell out around one he kind of fell out of favor and now i'm seeing more mocks you know peter schrager put him up there in the teens with one of his podcast mocks and a couple others i've seen lately i feel like torrence is gaining some steam and the the lions beat writers that i trust have pretty much unanimously said that and there's only like two or three of them but they pretty much unanimously said that yes torrence yes steve um how do you put his name the uh yeah villa the guard i teach you yes they're both going to be high high on the lions boards comparatively uh speaking like compared to other teams so i don't know if the lions maybe try to trade down from 18

and maybe take one of those guys in the 20s, but that's an option for them as well. And just to just look it over a list, there's basically three cornerbacks that I think you're really looking at there. We talked about Emmanuel Forrest, but Brian Branch is one of the other ones. And then, you know, old flag plant that you have there for you and Julius Brents has been another one that's getting there to Detroit. But, you know, to piggyback off of what Nick said, yes,

both Osiris Torrance and Steve Avila have been connected there. And I heard that it would not be a shock should they go ahead and take Avila that high. They're one of the only teams that I have been able to pinpoint Avila going to in the first round, but he's another guy that's kind of racing up boards. And it's just – it's one of those things that it's hard to see an offensive lineman go that high, but when we start talking about teams that want to trade up and all the steam that you've been getting on Hendon Hooker,

that's kind of an option and something that maybe you might see. So here's the Brents thing that just clicked in my mind is that, so Cleve TA had tweeted out something yesterday about like both like GM's tendencies with premium positions. And then in that graph it also had like the relative athletic score of guys too. So like how often do they take premium positions in the first two rounds over the last five years?

Where do those guys rank in Raz as well? And Brad Holmes was number two in relative athletic score. Julius Brents was like nine, eight on his relative athletic scores, like six threes. He's wild. Like I joke about it with you guys. Like I'll be stunned in a few years.

We're going to look back at a team took Emmanuel Forbes over Julius Brentsz but uh you know good luck to forbes i don't mean any ill will but uh you know the upside for brentz seems in the way that the nfl is played nowadays with having to you know cover travis kelsey's of the world where you could put brent's big body on a guy i'm excited about him so yeah that makes sense maybe if they don't maybe that's a day two bet maybe that we want to take a look at because i do think the lines have a pretty early pick there in the second round as well so uh interesting stuff yeah counterpoint to that is that deontay banks and joey porter also really long corners that also had great rast score so i could i mean detroit could be in on them as well yeah one other thing i want to hit on real quick is, you know,

we had the Aaron Rodgers and Green Bay news come out yesterday, and a lot's been talked about, but not enough, I think, as far as that pick swap goes. And specifically with Green Bay moving ahead of New England is what I'm looking at the most. And, you know, I am leaning heavily that it's going to be Jackson Smith and Jigba to Green Bay, specifically there at 13. That pick swap, while it doesn't seem like it's that much to move up two picks, you have seen a lot of steam with, you know, New England possibly going with wide receiver. It's definitely a need of theirs. And I don't think it's any coincidence that that pick swap just happens to be right there in front of a team that may be interested in drafting a wide receiver. So that's one of the other things that I'm really kind of

keying in on with Green Bay. I think it's down to Jackson Smith and Jigvor. And another player that I think could go to New England is Lucas Van Ness. Both of those guys fit what they look for as far as traits. And I think both of those guys are guys that New England would be interested in. So it's no small coincidence that that pick movement of only two picks going up was thrown into the Aaron Rodgers deal. I think that's a good call. My only concern in this is that we have David Bakhtiari, who has been slowly deteriorating. You know, the London Jenkinses couldn't stay healthy last year.

You have the spot where Skowronski maybe doesn't meet some of the measurables. If a team is going to be tied up on arm length, I see it being the Packers. They're definitely a team that is looking at certain things. But again, Skowronski one year kicks in the guard, and then you have a long-term option on the outside if you feel good about him. I don't think that that's off the table, but I think you make great points. We talked about it earlier. I think the JSN makes a lot of points. I don't think that that's off the table but I think you make great points we talked about it earlier I think the jsn makes a lot of points and I don't think that they would make like an fu pick on purpose but uh to like make a pick in the Aaron Rogers

trade for receiver uh I believe the internet would uh would lose its mind a little bit and I think it'd be uh pretty entertaining so it's been a few draft process the whole time so why not make a fu pick yeah I don't know ryan ryan to your point i think a lot of people are losing sight on the idea that oh yeah they did jump new england and yeah i agree with scott i had uh at the time of the trade uh yesterday i had jackson smith and jigwood going to new england so that was i mean that was my first thought it's like okay well now who am i mocking to green bay? Well, probably JSN. So it makes perfect sense. But I think a lot of people losing sight of it,

they don't just jump New England. They also jump the Jets. And to your point, Ryan, you're saying offensive tackle there. Who was definitely going to take a tackle was the New York Jets. So, yeah, it's possible. They're going to go after a high-rask guy, so it's possible that, you know, Roger Jones could be high on their board.

But, yeah, I think we've pinpointed. I don't think they're taking a tight end. I already thought 15 was too rich for a tight end, but I certainly don't think it's happening at 13. So, yeah, to me, I think we've pinpointed the needs there. I think defensive end to replace Rashawn Gary's torn ACL, not to replace Rashawn Gary, obviously, but to just kind of uh

you know help with that situation there similar to the way the Bills did taking uh cornerback last year when uh Trey White was coming off the ACL uh and then you have offensive tackle because of an aging Bakhtiari and kind of uncertain future there and then you also in the injuries and then you also have JSN and that's it uh. So, yeah, it's OT, it's defensive end, and it's JSN. Right now I do have JSN in my mock, Scott. So I'm in agreeance with you right now. That's where I have them going. Yeah, I think Scott laid that out pretty well.

What other nuggets you got, Nick? Anything else you want to give us? Nuggets. I was reading on Jacksonville a second ago. Not a lot of people talking about Jacksonville. I think that Miles Murphy is a really interesting name because I'm noticing that Murphy is kind of, and Van Ness for that matter, kind of sliding down. I mean, obviously it's a false narrative saying they're sliding down boards because they're not, but sliding down mocks, I guess,

mockers boards, if you will. Whereas Van Ness was constantly mocked to Atlanta about a month ago at eight. Now we're seeing more scenarios where, especially if the Texans take a defender at two and they don't take Van Ness at 12, yeah, we're seeing a scenario where New England, Green Bay, possibilities for Van Ness. And if not, if they go JSN, Broderick Jones, respectively, then, or sorry, not respectively, then you're getting a situation where Van Ness is entering Detroit territory or Tampa Bay or Seattle at 20. So Miles Murphy's the same because if Van Ness gets entering Detroit territory or, or Tampa Bay or Seattle at 20.

So, uh, Miles Murphy's the same because if Van Ness gets pushed down and Murphy's going to get pushed down as well. So I think that's kind of interesting storyline. I'm seeing a lot of more mocks from high. I don't want to call them higher ups, but influential mockers, I guess, if you will, uh, the Schrager's and stuff of the world that, that are placing Murphy in the 20s now, where that wasn't really the case a couple of weeks ago. And so Seattle, to me, at 20 is a possibility there. But I wanted to mention Jacksonville because I think that it's very possible. It sounds like a hot take now, but I really do think it's possible that Murphy slides for some reason.

Players that tend to slide, at least in my history of kind of mocking the draft or players that you can't really match up like with a perfect team. Like you're not hearing a lot of specific team interest to Murphy. And maybe you guys are, I'm hearing Seattle a little bit, but they may take a defensive lineman at five. So in fact, they odds odds are they probably do. So I'm not hearing a lot of teams that love Murphy.

And the two teams that I really am hearing would take Murphy are the Jacksonville Jaguars at 24. And I also think, I'm not hearing this, but I think that he fits the profile of a Saint as well. I think that the New Orleans Saints would be in on Murphy at 29. But again, those are teams in the 20s. And I find that a little, I guess, disturbing for Murphy's outlook. And one thing of note, Miles Murphy is training and doing all of his pre-draft stuff in Jacksonville. So yeah, that's another, you know, it's right down the road that I think they're going to be able to get all the information they want on him. And if, you know, Brian Brantz is another player that's been mocked at him, but may go earlier, I think Miles Murphy is definitely in play for Jacksonville.

And one of these guys feels like, even though I think we feel like Baltimore is probably a cornerback team, if they sit and make that pick, that feels like a Van Ness or Murphy falling into Baltimore's lap and just being like, this guy shouldn't be here anymore. And they just take him feels like a Ravens pick as well. Right. We just be like, how the hell did they get miles? Yeah.

I mean, that's, that's totally the Ravens. Yeah, definitely. No, no, I wouldn't be surprised. They have a need at pass rusher as well. I do think corner and receiver greater needs. And I would actually put that, I think, I don't know if this is a hot take among the mocking community, but I've tweeted a lot about this is that I really do believe based on just kind of going over all the team, and I'm a big

team needs guy. I really do believe that teams tend to draft based on need more than experts like to admit and really going through the team needs when you include next year's contract situations i really think that baltimore and um and the giants who are constantly mocked receivers i think they have a bigger need both of them have a bigger need of defensive back i really do i think if it's if forbes is on the board for either of those teams, I think I'm going to take them probably over every receiver not named JSN. I like it.

Yeah, that's a good call for sure. I'll probably end up, and I think that's kind of actually, I have one of those past, I have Murphy falling to Baltimore now, but I just, I can see corner for sure. And the Giants, I feel the same. Although you're starting to hear a little bit of interior offensive line which would be yeah i don't know it's jordan renan said something about that that they're high on barisi which is interesting because i'm not getting a lot are y'all getting any barisi love i'm not really i think the cowboys make sense but

i i don't i don't know that they would do that over, say, a tight end. He's one that could fall. I also think that the Saints make sense for him, too. Yeah, Nick Underhill came out today and basically said after a little tape session last night, he thinks Breezy's a good fit for New Orleans. Yeah, they've lost so much up front. They did. No, I definitely have them going D-line for sure,

but I think there's other fits as well. I don't know. I could see New Orleans going several different players there. If it's not Buffalo, if it's not New Orleans, I'm having a tough time mocking Barisi, even though I feel like he should go in round one. That's how I look at that. I'm with Kalijah Cansey in that sense. I don't know where he lands, but there's just, everyone's sure that he's a first round pick. I just, I don't know where he lands, but there's just – everyone's sure that he's a first-round pick. I just – I have trouble finding it. You're not? Yeah.

But, yeah, a lot of people are. I think Cincinnati at 28 is my top team for him, but they have tight end concerns. They have other – they have corner. The Forbes is there. Yeah, and Canty could go to as high as Detroit at 18. We didn't mention him, but they have a map to do the DT, and he could go as low as the second round.

I think New Orleans would also consider him now. All right, there's an hour. It's going to be a 40-minute show. This is very easy for us to do, and you guys are still hanging with us too, so it's not like we're ruining your time. You guys are still kicking around with us, and'm sure we can do this uh all day connor anything else you want to give to the folks uh before we wrap up no i think i have a couple ideas i want to send you guys official plays in our discord that will rip off uh just based on our conversations here but um i'm going

to try and finalize my mock draft for thursday morning i'm really having a tough time fitting in these last, like, I think I have 12 guys here fighting for the last five spots that need to go in the first round. And I don't know. Probably should you guys a message, see where your ass heads are at,

because I am, I'm struggling with a couple of the guys. Breezy was one of them. Just Jameer. Jameer. I started like slimming it down, like Darnell Washington, taking a hard stand,

not going to the first round. Drew Sanders, Keon White, DeJuan Jones. No. But like Quinn, like slimming it down like darnell washington taking a hard stand not going to the first round drew sanders keon white dewan jones no uh but like quinn johnston i mean jameer gibbs hennon hooker you know does the team need a center john mego smith mazzi smith osiris torrence like you know these types of guys are all first round locks you know like how many just ask can be look at can be's odds on all these guys to go okay for a quick quick rant before we hop off here those people are like tweeting out like oh well this player is minus 300 to go in the first round this is a one-way market it does not work

like that like you have to the no vig prices on these are just like way different than like we're seeing minus 300 i'm like minus 400 at collage you can't see to be first round pick i mean i would say it's probably 50 50 at this point like you've done minus 5 400 you know so like that like there's no no to bet that's the point is you can't bet a no on these guys right now so obviously anytime that i need these numbers are bet they just go up and they never move down so like it's kind of yeah and they're steaming both sides of the lines with a lot of these picks and it's just getting to a point where a lot of these lines are even unbettable. Yeah. Yeah.

Well, and some of the, in the first round market, there is no other side of the line. They just, this one side, it just keeps going up and it's like, well, wait a second.

It's not how any of this works at all. So Nick really, really appreciate you coming on and sharing the insight with us. Again, folks are familiar. Like, you know, yeah,

this Nick's got like accomplishments behind him. He has other jobs, but he, this is not like casual for him. He's done jobs, but he, this is not like casual for him. He's done very, very, very well. Top six,

uh, it, uh, the NFL mock draft database the last three years in a row. So like not, not last year. No, no.

So I think Scott, so three years, three years prior to that, I did really well. Uh, last year, I think it was like 19th. Um,

but yeah, I appreciate you. Uh, it's been awesome guys. Oh, come on, man. I appreciate you. It's been awesome, guys. It's been awesome to get to know you guys. This is an honor to be on this show. This is awesome. One thing that I want to hit on right now, look, if you're watching the show, you follow any of the stuff that we do, anything draft-wise, all the

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I know all of Amiko's thoughts, but I'm looking forward for you to hear all of Amiko's thoughts and to share those with the world. So good times as always. So for Nick, Connor, and Scott, I'm Ryan. We'll see you all next time. Thanks everyone. too.