Move The Line - Prop Drop: Super Wild Card Weekend Player Prop Bets

Episode Date: January 15, 2022

Move the Line Presents: Prop Drop ... The newest sports betting show from 4for4's Ryan Noonan and Connor Allen, plus third co-host Alex Selesnick. On this week's episode, Connor, Ryan and Alex discuss... their top Super Wild Card NFL player prop bets.  Get 4for4's Betting Package for our Picks & Tools 👉🏼 https://www.4for4.com/plans  Use Promo Code 4FOR4 on Prop Swap for a first-time deposit match up to $500 + a FREE Move the Line shirt (Minimum $5 deposit) 👉🏼 https://4for4.co/3r2JF04  Follow 4for4 on Twitter 👉🏼 https://twitter.com/4for4football  Follow Move the Line on Twitter 👉🏼 https://twitter.com/MoveTheLineNFL  Follow Connor on Twitter 👉🏼 https://twitter.com/ConnorAllenNFL  Follow Ryan on Twitter 👉🏼 https://twitter.com/RyNoonan  Follow Alex on Twitter 👉🏼 https://twitter.com/PropStarz  Visit our Website 👉🏼 https://www.4for4.com/  Join our Discord 👉🏼 http://discord.gg/4for4  Subscribe to our YouTube Channel 👉🏼 https://www.youtube.com/4for4football  4for4 Betting Strategy Hub 👉🏼 https://4for4.co/3hm39cw  4for4 Betting Picks 👉🏼 https://4for4.co/3hJTtqX  4for4 Player Prop Tool 👉🏼 https://4for4.co/3A2UKBx  4for4 Prop Stat Explorer 👉🏼 https://4for4.co/3Ab3c1u  ________________________________________________________________________________________ 0:00 Super Wild Card Prop Drop Intro 6:44 Connor Prop No. 1 8:26 Ryan Prop No. 1 9:58 Alex Prop No. 1 11:47 Connor Prop No. 2 14:06 Ryan Prop No. 2 15:43 Alex Prop No. 2 21:51 Prop Swap Ad 24:10 Connor Prop No. 3 25:53 Ryan Prop No. 3 29:10 Alex Prop No. 3 30:43 Viewer Props Q + A 59:12 Props Betting Cards Recap 1:00:10 Prop Tool Bet of the Week 1:02:57 Super Wild Card Prop Drop Outro

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Hello and welcome to Move the Line, Prop Drop Show, Prop Drop presented by BetSwap. Want to get you over there. This is where America buys and sells sports bets. NFL playoffs are here. I'm fired up. I am joined by two of my favorite fellow Prop D gems, as always. First here, Connor Allen. What is going on, my friend?
Starting point is 00:00:38 Not too much. You know, I wrapped up this regular season just, you know, absolutely on fire. And I'm hoping that I continue to run pure into the playoffs. Because, I mean, like you said, I was running so hot that I was firing off Julio Jones overs and was, you know, firing off dusty wide receiver overs. And Alex and I cashed in a big way. I mean, it happened the way we wanted it to. Yeah, easy dubs.
Starting point is 00:01:05 Connor had a great end of the season, hit some big stuff that wasn't even on the board. So when you look at his record, it was fantastic, and it's actually even better than that. So good stuff for Connor. I know he's been putting in the work and grinding, so to be able to reap the rewards is much deserved. Could not be more happy for him.
Starting point is 00:01:24 So, again, always here, batting third. You know, try to draw the walk. You know, Connor maybe slaps a single, moves a second and third, something like that. And then Alex here to bring us home. What's going on, buddy? What is up, Ryan, Connor? Great to see you guys both.
Starting point is 00:01:41 I battled through last week. I had my flu game, Michael Jordan's flu game. I ended up with the little mini suite. Very happy about that. I am feeling like a thousand times better this week. I'm ready to roll. Love it. So if you are hanging out with us here on YouTube, we appreciate it. I don't think we have any Twitter questions, but jump into the chat, fire off some stuff. We're going to share three of our own. We typically like to do four in this spot. But, again, it's truncated schedules with obviously just six games here for the playoffs.
Starting point is 00:02:13 But we'll start to see more mature markets, I think, over, you know, even the coming days, some stuff that's not out yet. I think we'll start to see some stuff that we'll want to get down on. So if you have anything that you're looking at that hasn't posted, fire it off in the chat. We will be happy to get to that. It could be non-football stuff too. Again, we only have a few games, so we might have a little time if you want to get off the board a little bit. Again, ask stuff about the bear.
Starting point is 00:02:36 Who knows? Ask why Connor is in a strange-looking motel where they probably record some shady videos or movies. Whoa, whoa, whoa. Not motel. I don't know. I'm not saying a motel. I like that some some shady uh videos or movies whoa not motel i don't i don't say in a motel like that man i don't know like it's up to you i've never even i've never even stayed in a motel you guys ever stayed in a motel can i ask what the uh daily or nightly fee is of this hotel uh yeah i mean so it's a hyatt place i mean it's not like some like bum motel like it seemed like there's like dead people in my walls or anything. Oh, no one dies in a Hyatt?
Starting point is 00:03:09 I mean, not in Bloomington, Indiana. I mean, there's more likely to be like, you know, heroin in these walls than like anyone dead. I mean, maybe dead from heroin. But yeah, the nightly fee, I mean, it's like normally like 80 to 90. I think we negotiated down to like 70 because it's a long-term stay. Have you tried the Continental Breakfast? I know last week you hadn't yet, but it's been a week since then. Have any opportunities arisen? I know
Starting point is 00:03:34 you typically go to Dunkin'. You get the morning breakfast there. I had a banana the other day. The breakfast is good for Continental Breakfast. It actually used to not be free, but because they wanted to have people stay at their hotel, Hyatt started saying, you know, we should offer free breakfast. Because nothing screams COVID-friendly like a nice buffet, you know,
Starting point is 00:03:54 in front of you. What's the juice menu? Like, are we just orange? Or, like, do we get into the cranberries? Yeah, there's both. Do they come in those little like yogurt containers this is important you know like so you know 90 in indiana that's that goes a long way chicago right yeah that's you're looking at like you know two and a quarter a night this is
Starting point is 00:04:18 this is luxurious that probably is a really nice place yeah yeah i mean i got i'm in my office right now and you got my bedroom over there so So, you know, it's like, you know, nice studio. I have stayed in a motel. I, um, I had a friend back East to get married and I wasn't sure that I was going and I kind of went back last minutes and I was in Portland, Maine. There was not a lot of stuff that you would like to stay at available at that point and found what was readily available. And it was worse than I thought it would be. But again, it was like a 36-hour excursion. Did not spend a lot of time in the room.
Starting point is 00:04:54 But it was not a place that you'd want to bring your family or anyone really other than yourself. So, yeah, it looks like you're above that, Connor. So, strut your stuff, buddy. Thank you guys. I want to remind everyone, we are going to continue with two shows a week here and move the line through the Super Bowl. We will do our Wednesday game-by-game breakdowns
Starting point is 00:05:15 and then here with the prop drop all the way through because props are more fun. They're even more fun than betting sides and totals. Let's be honest. I mean, this is better. And again, you guys get involved here in the chat, and we love that quite a bit. So again, don't forget to fire off.
Starting point is 00:05:30 We will go through and share. Like I said, we got three each here. So you can hit up in the show notes too. I think, I believe what's today, the 15th of January starts our new annual subscription for 444. You want to get a betting sub for all of next NFL season, including everything that happens between now and then. Golf, NBA.
Starting point is 00:05:55 We have other sports that are going to be coming between now and then too. Get involved. Again, hit the show notes, 444.com slash plans. You can find out that information. Again, if you're watching live on Friday, I would wait. We want you to get involved, but I would wait until you can get that free one. The truncated one, $44 is going to take you
Starting point is 00:06:15 through the end of February, which is great. We'd love to have you on board, but wait a little bit. Take advantage of that one that's going to get you all the way through all of next season, this time next year. So that's coming very, very shortly. Again, 444.com slash plans. In the show notes, Connor, kick us off. Playoff time, brother.
Starting point is 00:06:32 Football matters here in a big, big way. We have six really exciting games. I really don't think we have a snoozer on the slate. Five of the six rematches, which I think is very interesting. But let's get into the props. What's your first one? So my first one is Juwan Jennings under 29 and a half yards. I think that this is a little bit of an overreaction actually to last week. I mean, he's gone over this number in just, I believe, two of 16 games this season.
Starting point is 00:07:00 Now you have healthy Debo, Iuke, Kittle. And not to mention, I really think that we're going to be looking at the Cowboys or the Niners here really going run heavy, kind of exploiting the Cowboys' defense. Their run defense is not nearly as good as their pass defense, according to EPA. So I think that in this spot here, you're looking at probably a low-volume passing attack from the Niners, and you're looking at the Jennings being like the, I mean, fourth, fifth option, you know, on that team. So at 30 yards, not too much to do, like, you know,
Starting point is 00:07:31 a lot of his routes are in the slots. So, you know, it's not like he's getting like high A dot targets or not like running super far downfield. So even if he catches two to three passes, like, it's probably going to put him around like 20, 25 yards. So, like, he not only has to do that, he probably has to catch like four or five. And so for me, if that happens, I mean, good for him, but know, he has to do that. He's probably sketched like four or five. And so for me in that, if that happens, I mean, good for him,
Starting point is 00:07:48 but I really just don't see that happening here. So I like the under 29 and a half, I'd play it down to probably like 26 and a half. Yeah. He's been heavily involved from a snap standpoint, but yeah, you made some, some good points there. I cannot wait to watch that football game. So I get that one. I gave it a long look and then I saw you play it. So I'm going to have to do a little more digging and then probably make that play. Because again, these are the markets that I think are some of the interesting ones here in the playoff
Starting point is 00:08:14 season because books want to post some just random guys that not that Jennings again has been a prominent role in the offensive late, but again, this is probably a run first offense and a good spot to fade some of the recency bias. My favorites play here of the week. My first one is Dak Prescott over 36 and a half pass attempts. This is available on FanDuel. This spiked, I think, yesterday when we hit it. It's still actually up to 38 and a half in some spots. I think there are even some 37s out there, but as of a little bit ago, this is still 36 and a half at FanDuel. I think there are even some 37s out there, but as of a little bit ago, this is still 36.5 at FanDuel, I think 36.5 at PointsBet as well. The 49ers have a terrific run defense, one that we want to avoid. And we've kind of seen this early in the season when
Starting point is 00:08:59 in that week one game where the Cowboys went into Tampa Bay and just completely abandoned the run. We saw 58 pass attempts in that game from Dak. And I think that Kellen Moore is sharp enough to have a game plan specific for the defense. So running into this Niners defense, which is top two in both success rates and EPA on the season. We've got two guys, DJ Jones and Eric Armstead, that rank top five in run stuff win rate on the year. Nick Bosa is obviously prominent in that defensive line too. I think you see a lot of pass attempts in this game. I think it's close.
Starting point is 00:09:38 I think that the Niners are very, very much alive to win here. And we've seen this. Even if you kind of erase the Week 18 game where we didn't see a full lot of snaps from Dak, he's passed this in nine of ten games so over 36 and a half attempts from Dak is one of my favorite plays here in a long time like this one quite a bit I know Connor got down on it too all right Alex uh next for you yeah I've got a play that uh correlates a little bit with that that I'm going to pivot to. Just go out of order instead. And that is Zeke under 69 and a half rushing and receiving yards.
Starting point is 00:10:14 This is widely available on pretty much every single book at this number. Yeah, I was a bit surprised this number came in so high. He's only cleared this in two of his last seven games ryan mentioned the strength of the 49ers defense is their run defense they are very very good in that phase uh second in rushing dvoa a lot of the advanced metrics uh very rank very highly there as well uh they also have allowed the eighth fewest receiving yards to opposing running backs. They're very stingy in that category as well. Zeke has just looked ineffective to me, guys. Whether it's like he's lost a step or the injuries are catching up, I just haven't been very impressed. I know a lot of the advanced stuff really likes Tony Pollard a lot more. I think he's definitely the
Starting point is 00:11:01 more explosive option at this point. I think a lot of Zeke's touches are a result of his name or contracts, what have you. I do think Tony Pollard is the more effective back at this stage. But, yeah, I just have not been overly impressed with Zeke. I think this number is a bit high. I do agree with you, Ryan, completely, that the Cowboys are going to have to air the ball out in this game to win. That's going to be the path of least resistance. I just don't see Zeke being kind of
Starting point is 00:11:31 a big focal point in their game plan. So yeah, I really like fading Zeke under 69 and a half, rushing and receiving yards. Yeah, I like that quite a bit. Good job highlighting the details there. Corey, like you said, correlates very strongly with Dak over here. So Connor, what is your second one? Yeah, no, I like that Zeke one as well. My second one here is Dawson Knox under on right now it's 32 and a half receiving yards, minus 125 at DraftKings. I mean, this is, he so far has 11 and 14 receiving yards in two games against the Patriots this year. Not to mention the Patriots are number one in DVO against the tight ends. And if you look at the yards allowed to opposing tight ends this year, the Patriots have allowed just 440 receiving yards to opposing tight ends all season long, which in a, whatever,
Starting point is 00:12:22 18, 17 game season is pretty stellar. The next closest team allowed like 611. So, I mean, it's not only were they the best, they were the best by a pretty wide margin in terms of yards allowed to the position. So I think we kind of have the history there. We have, you know, that kind of background in terms of like their overall metrics on the season. And then also this, this game probably going to feature, you know, single digit temperatures around five degrees.
Starting point is 00:12:47 I don't think that it impacts the game too, too much, but I do think that it probably makes the Patriots at least skew a little bit run heavier. And I think that it could make the Bills want to skew a little bit run heavier as well, or just kind of cause a little bit more havoc, unnecessary havoc to the passing games on both sides. So I think that we're going to see kind of a little bit more of a run heavy approach from both teams and a little bit less passing success so i think that anything above 30 i'm into the under on dawson knox yeah absolutely
Starting point is 00:13:13 love it yeah i mean it's crazy how much better they are than literally everyone else against tight ends so like again some of that stuff can be a little noisy but we have 18 game sample at this point and that's uh that's, these two teams have met twice. And Knox has really done nothing in his career against the Patriots too. We do have an important question though. Is there a quarter slot on the bed, Connor? That's how we need to know the level of motel that we're dealing with here. It's a great question from Chill.
Starting point is 00:13:41 Does the bed vibrate with quarters? At least not that I've seen. I mean mean if that's a feature on there somewhere i might have to ask the front desk i mean that could be you know interesting interesting go have a good night tonight you never you never know call call down ask um have them come up and show you how it works just to make sure and yeah you never know it's good great question great question uh my next one zach urts over five and a half receptions plus 110 over on draft kings uh urges dusty we know this this is why we're looking at a volume metric uh like receptions versus yards here but uh hopkins ruled out again so since he's been down since week 12 urts has run a route on no fewer than 89
Starting point is 00:14:26 percent of the team's dropbacks he's caught at least six balls in each of those games he's averaging nearly 11 targets per game over this time frame and now we have a really nice matchup against a rams defense that is decimated at the safety position their defensive captain and green dot single caller the guy who calls the plays defensively, Jordan Fuller, heard in Week 18 he is out for the playoffs. Their other starting safety, Taylor Rapp, is I think trending towards playing, stuck in the concussion protocol a little bit,
Starting point is 00:14:55 so we haven't seen the status there officially. But they've unretired Eric Weddle to come in and play safety snaps for them. And I know guarding Zach Ertz theoretically isn't a massive ask, but again, the volume has been there nonstop here. So again, I think we have a really nice volume game. We're getting plus money on Ertz at five and a half, a number he has topped every week with Hopkins out. So I like this one quite a bit.
Starting point is 00:15:21 Widely available, plus money. DraftKings offering the highest number for us to take advantage of. Yeah, I think I tailed this as well, didn't I? I'm pretty sure I hugged in our Discord and I'm on that. I think that's a good spot. Yeah, we talked about it on Wednesday's show. I think, yeah, it's just a nice number. We were thinking we'd probably get five and a half, but I thought maybe we'd get standard juice. So to get plus money is nice so uh alex number two my friend connor looks quite a bit like eric weddle too i want to point out so that's that's kind of bad every week we get a new dude connor looks like because i'm not it's like basic bitch what is wrong with looking like eric weddle
Starting point is 00:15:58 connor i mean eric was like 13 years older than me. You guys have similar features. Yeah, but good-looking guy. I'll take that for sure. Very good-looking guy. All pro safety. I thought it was a reach, to be honest. Ring of Honor. Could be in the Hall of Fame one day.
Starting point is 00:16:13 Definitely outkicking, you know, whatever anyone else thinks about me. There you go. So, yeah, I'm going back to a play that, if you guys have been tailing my action this season, this is one of my personal favorite plays i love this one this may be the week for it too like my favorite week to actually play this play and that is leonard fournette under five and a half receptions uh yeah he is questionable at best and that may be a very generous questionable to play,
Starting point is 00:16:47 but it seems very likely that Tampa Bay is going to force him to suit up with a very, emphasis, very iffy hamstring. Having a bum hamstring is just not a recipe for lasting the duration of a game and also handling a big, heavy workload. Due to the injuries in Tampa Bay's backfield, they need him. I do not think he'd be playing if this was a regular season game or even close to suiting up, but no Ronald Jones. Yeah, the Bucs sorely need Leonard Fournette.
Starting point is 00:17:20 Even if he is fully healthy, this is just a huge ask, six reception. He's only caught six passes in six of 14 games that he's appeared in this season. I just think this is a great spot to fade him. I just don't think the Bucs can afford, with their lack of depth, that running back to pepper him with targets like they have in the past. Also, if you look at when he got hurt, he came into a game with a bum hamstring. Tom Brady threw 10 targets at him on the first drive. He re-injured his hamstring, and then that is why he missed the past three weeks. So I just don't see many scenarios where
Starting point is 00:18:00 he is going to get 14-plus carries, which seems likely considering if you look at the the depth that running back for Tampa Bay coupled with like you know the eight to ten target that this would require in my opinion I just don't think it's I think it's just a recipe to get this guy hurt again there are so many ways in my opinion that this go under and that even starts with him lasting the whole game getting a solid amount of targets and having four or five catches so i just think this is an excellent spot to fade leonard ford net under five and a half catches i think they should have opened at four and a half for sure yeah i've been looking at this actually all week uh our one of our guys over four before played
Starting point is 00:18:40 under a hundred and a half combined rushing and receiving yards for four net um which as you mentioned i mean that just seems aggressive it's down to 95 i just played it as you're talking about it's something that i've been meaning to do i still like it there i mean that's just like he has to break a long game like that's like the line is set basically like he's 100 percent totally and he goes out too yeah yeah exactly and like that, they're also, like, I mean, they're big enough favorites where the game could get out of hand. You know, maybe they don't jam Lenny. I mean, also, like, I think – I don't know.
Starting point is 00:19:12 What's Geo's status? I thought he was supposed to come back. Is he, like, in? I think he's playing. I think he's playing. You know, I don't know what his role is, but, you know, he might be used more in the passing game as well instead of, like, Lenny, especially if they're kind of trying to ease him back in a little bit.
Starting point is 00:19:24 So, yeah, I like both those plays a lot i think the reception one right now minus 135 on dk is probably the best line it's what i'm seeing i like that a lot yeah good look for sure all right we each got one more left again remember this is your time to get some questions in the chats we will again do our best to answer and address all of them. First, I'll start with Alfred. This is a really tough scene. I don't know if it's a tough scene for me or a tough scene for Alfred. Someone please teach Ryan anything about marketing. Alfred, I recently left a marketing job that I worked at for six years to do this full time.
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Starting point is 00:24:06 Last bets. Connor, what is your third prop? All right. My third one. I'm going back to the well here. This is my only loser of last week. Zay Jones. I'm taking under 4.5 receptions right now.
Starting point is 00:24:19 Minus 140 at Caesars. Minus 150 to minus 160 everywhere else. So with Daird Waller returning last week, it took until overtime for Zay to catch more than three and a half passes last week. This was despite Waller returning right off of an injury and playing only 78% of the snaps, a number that is actually his season low in games that he's played and finished or started and finished.
Starting point is 00:24:42 Now they draw the Bengals. The last time that these teams played, the Raiders attacked the middle of the field with Waller, a little bit with Hunter Renfro, and the outside weapons, like Zay Jones and Edwards, combined for two targets. And while Zay has seen a bigger role, but, I mean, you're probably looking at three to four targets here, I think. So with Waller, I think, you know, getting healthier,
Starting point is 00:25:03 kind of taking another step forward. And, like, Derek Carr, probably not throwinger, I think, you know, getting healthier, kind of taking another step forward and like Derek Carr, probably not throwing as much as he did last game combined with, you know, Hunter Renfro probably not, probably not being a non-factor again and then attacking the middle of the field. I think this just seems like a good spot here to, you know, kind of kind of get, get down on the under here. So I think that four and a half is a great look. I mean, five receptions, all things considered,
Starting point is 00:25:27 I think is a lot for a guy in this spot here. Good call. Like it quite a bit. I think he is just way too many for a dude that's that volatile. I know that the routes run numbers have been up, but that is Zay Jonesones i mean i can't believe it's four and a half i mean three and a half i understand but i understand why it's getting the juice and don't mind attacking that um next one for me kyler murray over 35 and a half rushing
Starting point is 00:25:57 yards uh minus 115 on points bets i think this is out there 37 and a half and a few spots too. And I'm fine with that. I'd probably play it comfortably anywhere up until 40 or so. And actually I had mentioned something in some written work earlier today and our director of DFS, TJ Hernandez, did a little bit of digging around some narratives that Connor and I have discussed in kind of markets we've tapped into the last few years around quarterbacks with rushing ability in big games or in playoffs in particular, running a little bit more. And TJ did some digging and there have been 28 instances since 2000 where quarterbacks rushing average 30 per game. And in those instances, when they make the playoffs, on average, those guys are rushing six more yards per game. So there is something to that in the data that backs it up. And the Kyle number is a little soft. So when we look at how the Rams have defended running quarterbacks this year, they really haven't seen many outside of Murray. Just Tyler Huntley a couple of weeks ago, he ran for 54 yards in week 17. Murray ran for 39 in the first meeting and then seven for 61 in the second.
Starting point is 00:27:09 So we saw in week 16 and 17 when the Cardinals were really trying to lock up playoff spot and seating. Again, that kind of fits the narrative of big game, right? They're going all outs. We saw the highest rates of design runs for Kyler all season long. So again, this feels like a normal season long number that we would see for Kyler. And I think that this is a little too light. I like it all the way up to 40 and kind of piggybacking. Another play is Connor and I are both on Patrick Mahomes as well, over 18 and a half rushing yards that's available on DraftKings.
Starting point is 00:27:46 He has averaged 31 rushing yards per game in the last seven playoff games. That includes the game against the Bills, I'm sorry, against the Browns, where he had like a toe injury and didn't run basically at all. So we've had some pretty solid Mahomes rushing outputs of late in the playoffs. So again, for all the flaws of the Steelers, they still have a decent pass rush. So that's kind of a combined play that Connor and I are both in, kind of fit together with just these quarterbacks spiking as far as running quarterbacks here in the playoffs.
Starting point is 00:28:15 So like those both quite a bit. And I think actually I beat you to the sheet, Alex. You wanted to get on the Kyler stuff too. Yeah. I like it quite a bit. I totally subscribe to the theory as well. I mean mean you just laid it out as far as uh what tj um found in that quarterbacks tend to run more in these uh mobile quarterbacks tend to uh kind of rely on their legs more in big games in the playoffs i've kind of noticed that organically just with my own
Starting point is 00:28:41 eye and i've always felt that was the case so it's nice to actually have some data to accompany that theory because yeah I've always felt that way and that has something that I have been looking at and yeah I was totally going to actually make this a play I'm also on Josh Allen's rushing attempts I gave that out on a different streaming appearance earlier I do have a column coming out tomorrow where I'll be looking at some quarterback rushing stuff as well. So, yeah, I do like it quite a bit, Ryan. That brings me to my third and final play. This is Brashard Perryman over 35 and a half receiving yards. This opened really big.
Starting point is 00:29:17 I know some other smart groups were on this. It has come down quite a bit. I think it opened like at 44 and a half. It's down almost 10 yards i just had to bite at this number he's had at least 41 receiving yards the last three weeks he's coming off a six target five catch 44 four yard performance last week versus the panthers i really made an emphasis to get him involved um he's going to be obviously filling in as a starter with all the injuries in tampa bay talked a lot how i don't know if fortnight's going to be obviously filling in as a starter with all the injuries in Tampa Bay. I don't know if Fortnette's going to last this whole game.
Starting point is 00:29:46 We know Chris Godwin's not there. No A.B. So he's going to have a significant role on this team. And if they're going to make a deep playoff run or postseason run, he's going to be on the field a ton. I've actually always been impressed with Rashard Perryman. Anytime he's played big snaps, he's had some huge games in his career. Eagles are 26 and passing dvoa i do think a lot of the attention is obviously going to go towards stopping um gronk stopping mike evans on the outside i do think perryman is in a spot where
Starting point is 00:30:17 35 yards and the amount of targets he's likely to receive this is a good number for him and yeah i just uh i buy in at this number so i like brashari perryman over 35 and a half receiving yards i like it we've done that sometimes too we let another group steam a side of it and then it takes some buyback when it gets to a certain point and gets a little too far so yeah it makes uh makes quite a bit of sense so let us get to some of your questions here. Alex, people, they want to see your cat. Do we have any cats within grabbing reach?
Starting point is 00:30:51 I can. Look at this. Let me see how to do this. All right. There. There you go. Out of the way. We got a cat appearance.
Starting point is 00:31:00 That is Goose. That's my favorite cat. He's a 24-pound seal point Siamese. Unfortunately, he's not stretched out, so you can't see just how incredibly beautiful and big he is. But that is Goose. He's awesome. He's huge. He's like having a small panther or like a mountain lion in your house. His nails are literally like talons.
Starting point is 00:31:24 They're like this big and another interesting fact about goose is when i got him neutered i took him to the vet and i'm sure everyone knows what that uh procedure entails the vet told me actually no could you go can we do 10 minutes on that we're a little late on time so the vet told me that goose had the largest set of testicles that they had ever seen i'm not kidding i wanted to keep them i wanted to jar them and keep them in my house my wife was like no no no no no but uh goose would mount the world if he could and uh that is if you knew him it would make sense because he is just a little alpha, alpha cat. So I think that's like, that has to be like your icebreaker.
Starting point is 00:32:14 When you meet anyone new, like, like my cat has the biggest testicles in the world. They would like drag almost to the floor. They were gigantic. I'm telling you. I have pictures of them. They were gigantic. Yeah. Is he Dothraki?
Starting point is 00:32:33 What's his story? Oh my gosh. Sal, I don't know, buddy. That's a layup, my friend like that is right there for you so uh i don't know it might be after dark you know twitter after dark but uh you know website's free we're doing a prop drop show after dark live from the garden so good uh alfred i might have turned alfred. Ryan might actually be a marketing genius.
Starting point is 00:33:06 How much for a lifetime subscription? Alfred, thank you. But again, for real, we're not trying to dupe. We're not trying to bait anyone into a subscription for extra money. It's not representative of us as people, as our brand, as a company. It's not who we are. We want to do right by, by you. So again, if we can make that up to you,
Starting point is 00:33:28 find a way to take care of it and get you onto the yearly sub, we can figure that out. So. I think I've spent a good, like maybe 10 to 15 minutes on every single meeting we have saying, we need to do this. We need to do this. We need to do this. We need to do this. So it's like, you know, and then he's like, I'm trying, I'm trying, I'm trying. So, you know, it's getting there, but yeah. So we'll take care of you guys. Some of it is the tech stuff. That's, I was like, you know, and then he's like, I'm trying, I'm trying, I'm trying. So, you know, it's getting there. But yeah, so we'll take care of you guys.
Starting point is 00:33:46 Some of it is the tech stuff. That's that's beyond, you know, it's like all the tech stuff. Yeah. I've also been having a blast in the discord. I know that's slightly off topic, but as we do talk about the four for four subscription, I did want to point out how much fun the discord is. I am still reeling a little bit from the emoji that i received from baby calves aka he gave me a clown emoji i'm still upset about it i'm not sure if we're on speaking terms yet
Starting point is 00:34:16 but uh yeah i'm about to fire this leonard for net prop in there actually right now and i'm tagging you in it so there you go love it boom i just got an alert see that's how in sync we are gail trying to make some good bets homies same gail we're trying to make some of those good bets too buddy uh hopefully we can do this all together um the undermining yeah uh so nfl draft is coming up um did, I know at that time last year, I was, you know, dipping my toes in different waters, not to be named, but we had a really good draft season as a group.
Starting point is 00:34:57 Connor and I had a very profitable NFL draft season getting limited by some books, which is indicative of the success that you're having. It was a very profitable venture and we will do so again. We will have some move the line pre-draft content, both from a player evaluation and analysis standpoint with some people that maybe spend a little bit more time full year trying to get into some of that. And then we'll definitely get into the betting markets as those start to form
Starting point is 00:35:24 too, because it is one of our favorite things i know drafts in general are really just kind of information markets and those are things we want to take advantage of and uh can beat books there in a big big way so yeah don't forget about the draft we will be definitely firing that uh up here in the coming months i love that in the draft as well. Oh, it's the best. Chill wants to know, does anyone like rushing yards on Josh Allen? I'm guessing over under 47 and a half, minus 115 on DraftKings.
Starting point is 00:35:54 I fired at this. I like this quite a bit. It gets some actually data points on it for you too. There are a few instances similar to the Mahomes thing where we're looking at, with Kyler murray where we're looking at big games and if you look at the games against new england and really kind of the other big games on the slate for the bills this season at kansas city early in the season and then they were at tampa bay uh josh allen had no fewer than 11 carries in those games and his highest design run rates of the year in those spots.
Starting point is 00:36:27 So that kind of scenario of big game. And I think Josh Allen becomes a big part of the run game here, too. What do you think, Alex? I love this. I also like I mentioned, I called his rushing attempts on another prop. And obviously these correlate very closely to each other. Yeah. Just to piggyback on what you said, Ryan, his production has seen an uptick. He's averaged 9.6 rushes per game since week 14. That is up from 6.25 carries from weeks 1 through 1.13. Obviously, the games get more important as the season progresses. That totally fits that narrative 100%.
Starting point is 00:37:01 So, yeah, I totally anticipate, especially in these Arctic temperatures where it's going to be difficult to throw the ball, in my opinion, kind of pretty much every box is being checked for Josh Allen. Look at their previous matchup as well in Week 16. I believe he had 14 rushing attempts in that game as well. So, yeah, this is a spot that I've had circled long before any props were released. And, yeah, I like this a ton as well. Probably one of my favorite, my favorite play from this particular game for sure.
Starting point is 00:37:30 Yeah. I like it. I like it quite a bit. Kelsey hanging out. I heard that Jamar Chase is going to get less than five and a half total receptions. Sounds like that's maybe a property play elsewhere. That is a property play elsewhere. Shout out to kelsey she is awesome but yeah i did call out jamar chase under five and a half receptions on a different stream appearance real quickly i do think that uh just that's a big ask for jamar with his a dot as deep as it is this is role in the offense he's running a lot of his routes deep down the field. That doesn't typically mix with a lot of volume.
Starting point is 00:38:08 He's also only caught six passes, I believe, two times in the past seven weeks as well. The Raiders also are very good, actually, at limiting big plays down the field, splash plays. They've allowed the third fewest 15-plus yard completions this season. So I do think it is a tough matchup in addition to a big ask of Jamar Chase. Surprisingly, the Raiders' fifth lowest explosive pass rate in the league. So, again, the reception number here is a volume stat more so than yards.
Starting point is 00:38:38 But, again, just with the way they play that cover three, it does limit some of the stuff in the Bengals' passing game. So, yeah, I can get behind that. Good looking out there. Hef, shout out to Hef. play that cover three it does limit some of the stuff in the bangles passing game so yeah i can get behind that uh good good looking out there uh hef shout out to hef uh with trent williams back for san francisco that will open up kittle to not have to chip and get more action in the passing game which does make a lot of sense and correlates well with connor's play on the jennings under right so thought process being kittle can get into pass routes faster run more routes uh kind of limiting jennings who's kind of made some of his his mark here underneath and that makes a lot of sense and again is another check mark as to why
Starting point is 00:39:15 that play for connor is a really good look uh any green thumb tips from alex's guarding from uh uh again tough times out there in portland any it's a little cold but how are we navigating this soil it's all about the soil like everybody talks about you know like the different little tricks they have you want to invest in really good soil okay what about the lighting i heard the lighting is key it depends on if you're you know indoors it depends on if you're outdoors for part of the year and indoors for another part of the year. It just really depends on kind of what you're doing. In Oregon, they allow you to be outdoors. So you don't have to go to the same lengths that some people do in other states where it's, you know.
Starting point is 00:40:01 Illinois, you got to put it in your closet, you know. Yeah, you have to put it in your closet and invest in lighting. So it's just a lot easier, more cost effective just being outdoor. Plus the climate is pretty conducive. It's not quite Northern California conducive, but it's pretty conducive to things just growing really well. So it just depends on where you are. If you're in a place where you don't have access to particularly fertile soil and the right type of climate and temperature, then you have to go inside.
Starting point is 00:40:29 But a place like Oregon, Europe, you can go outside. Green is the thumbs, probably. We really, really appreciate it. You can't get this elsewhere. You can't. You can't get pets in this. All right. Looking at how do we feel about kicking points in the Bills-Pats game.
Starting point is 00:40:49 Down to be weird and affected by weather. Both Falk and Bass at six and a half. I'm guessing those are six and a half combined points. I'm not sure. No, no, no. I think it's six and a half points each. They're saying they're like six and a half points. Oh, they're both at six and a half points.
Starting point is 00:41:05 Gotcha, gotcha, gotcha, gotcha. Yeah, I mean, I don't know. This is not necessarily a market that we dabble in very much other than kickers getting crossed off in pregame warm-ups. We try to take advantage of that. That worked out really well for us in the Panthers-Bills game earlier this season. But I can connect the dots to the thought process either of you have a take here i personally don't uh spend a lot of time with kickers either i have
Starting point is 00:41:32 nothing against it or anything just uh not something that uh i've particularly found a big edge looking at i'm like you i just kind of look at if like there's like some really bad inclement weather i might like to like fade the longest field goal if there's high wind or something like that. But yeah, as far as individual kicker props go, I've never really dabbled. Yeah, I mean, what was it, the game where the Carolina kicker was ruled out like 20 minutes before game time. And I mean, we didn't just go like balls deep we went like goose balls deep like we were like you know like i mean so deep in like everything like care or whatever
Starting point is 00:42:13 uh the other team to kick a field goal first the other team to kick the longest field goal like under on the kicker's points because books they weren't taking it off so i mean i was just like i told people i was like i'm gonna put units on this, but I'm really in real life. Like I'm putting like half of my bank account like on this. So, like, you know, I was like do as much as you guys on the stomach. How did you do? Oh, it won. It won.
Starting point is 00:42:34 Everything? It cost them more? Yeah, yeah. The Panthers didn't even attempt a field goal. They got in a field goal range three times. As soon – I knew after the first time, they were like the 20, like fourth and eight with Cam Newton, and they like didn't kick a field goal and it was zero zero and i was like oh we're this game's over i was like all we need is the bills kick a field goal anytime and we win so lovely
Starting point is 00:42:52 a good chunk of the discord got in on it too so it was a great communal win those are the those are the best i mean those are like we've had some of those big wins the season whether it's some of like the specials that that dalton's hooked people up with, or those are kind of what makes this, you know, the most enjoyable. Shout out to Dalton, by the way,
Starting point is 00:43:12 I enjoyed seeing that Twitter thread he put up where he mentioned Connor mentoring him as well. I thought that was very wholesome. A little tear came out of Proppy's eye when I read that. I did have to leave a little comment, a little love. Connor, I will say I've known him since like as long as I've known anyone in this space as far as like when I fired him. Connor was one of the first people that reached out to me that I like developed any sort of relationship with. So I can also attest to Connor just being Connor just being a very, uh, very generous with
Starting point is 00:43:46 his time and just, uh, all around great dude. So it was nice to see someone else, uh, you know, have a similar experience. Much love. I mean, if Dalton ends up in the same range as you, I think that, uh, would probably be much more successful than anything else I've done. So, yeah, I got to hang out with him in real life. It's kind of overrated. I'm going to be honest. It's not that great. I'm kidding. I love Connor. No, it's fantastic. Community pieces are the best.
Starting point is 00:44:15 Again, we're getting into the hard-hitting stuff here. Edward wants to know, Alex, do you use conditioner? I do. Of course. I use shampoo and conditioner. Do you use conditioner i do yeah of course i use shampoo and conditioner i actually every time or is this i do i i only shampoo like once a week but i shampoo and conditioner i should show you this i use uh my wife told me to use this but it's like shampoo and conditioner for horses actually oh no like horse manes right yeah it's like for horse manes and i'm like humans use this she's like yeah i'm like are you sure but
Starting point is 00:44:53 like if you look at the bottle it's like for horses but it's got a cowboy on it incredible i'll bring it on to the next episode I'll bring it on to our After Dark show please please are you using horse medicine to treat COVID? you get a discount on Amazon people that bought this also bought this just knock it all out in one go
Starting point is 00:45:20 oh goodness gracious back to the props, Chil wants to know anybody like Brady's rushing yard prop over one and a half? This is a Sal special earlier this season. One and a half yards at minus 105 on DraftKings. Does anyone have a thought on Tom Brady getting a scramble that doesn't involve him taking a knee at the end of the game? What do you think? I was just going to say, I just get so freaked out when they're this low of losing it in the final moments of the game that I just,
Starting point is 00:45:49 even if I do feel like I have a small edge on it, it's just so hard to stomach. I just would not feel good about losing a prop on QB Neal. Our guy internal, Jeff Hicks, here at 444, wrote this up in his PrizePix article. Apparently Brady has hit this over 10 out of 17 times so in the playoffs or this season this oh oh this season okay the one and a half yards yep that's uh i mean i guess that's pretty good i think but i don't know
Starting point is 00:46:20 i'm just like i would be very interested in this prop like uh when they're playing a good team or like someone that's going to be really competitive, because I think that along the lines of what you said, like Brady just has a competitive fire that like he's going to run if he has nothing else. First, like, you know, I don't know, be more inclined to maybe look for a passing option if they're up like 10, you know what I mean? Or just like, just kind of go down. So, yeah, I don't know that 10 to 17 17 this thing is like necessarily a bettable edge per se um yeah yeah there are other ways to do it like i much rather take like dac is seven and a half like that's low to me and i'm you know interested in that there are some uh instances where zach is or dac in a points bet opportunity you know he has a couple 30 plus ones on the season like that's of interest to me that fits the narrative around rushing quarterbacks in the playoffs more so than
Starting point is 00:47:08 than brady would at one and a half so um definitely worth looking into we do have some other brady stuff though here uh alfred back wants to know if we like brady under 38 and a half passing attempts and also if we have any interest in Bengals minus five. Yeah, Alex, what do you think? I actually spend like next to zero time on sides and totals. However, I really like Las Vegas this week against the Bengals. At plus five or plus five and a half, I think they opened at plus six and a half. To me, the Bengals season is already a success. If they lose this game, they won the division. They had a winning record for the first
Starting point is 00:47:51 time in I don't know how many years. You know, you have Joe Burrow. There's very little playoff experience on this roster. I don't think very many people have appeared in a playoff game. Coupled with the fact that, you know, Burrow took the week off last week as well, which I don't think is conducive necessarily when you have someone who's inexperienced. Typically, I like to see them like get into like a rhythm, whereas the Raiders have been playing playoff games for the past two weeks against Indianapolis, against Los Angeles as well, playing with house money, backs against the wall, getting healthy at the right time. I just think we're going to see Cincinnati potentially come out flat
Starting point is 00:48:29 where the Raiders are just kind of like chomping at the bit. No one's buying into them. No one's believing in them, or at least as far as the odds makers are concerned. I just think this is a fantastic spot to back Las Vegas, in my opinion. I think they're going to win outright. All right, let's go. I think that we should bet a bottle of horse mane on this because I am like the Bengals here a lot, or whatever you want.
Starting point is 00:48:55 Maybe not horse mane or whatever it is. We'll bet whatever you want. We can bet a trip to the garden, or we can bet actual money. I'm totally fine with whatever you want. I mean, Ryan's deep in the hole to me on show bets right now. So, you know, I don't want to take any more of his. Let's do a bet where the viewers can be involved. Maybe we can put a poll up on potential, you know,
Starting point is 00:49:17 like what we're betting on, make it really interactive and interesting, but let's a hundred percent do it. You want to do five points? Yeah. What I mean, whatever you want. do it. You want to do five points? Yeah, whatever you want. I think five points. I mean, yeah. Is that the current consensus? Okay. We'll do five points.
Starting point is 00:49:35 Let's do it partially monetary. We've got to put at least $100 on it. So you guys have to agree to a number because we look at DraftKings in points better five. Caesars is five and a half. FanDuel is four and a half. Well, I guess we got to take the middle, which is five then.
Starting point is 00:49:52 That's the fairest thing. Considering there's four and a half, five and five and a half, right? Yeah. Yeah, let's do five. Let's do five. Let's make it a hundred bucks and then let's figure out something else that's fun that we can do for the next show. So like we either dress up a certain way or have to do something where the next show appearance, the loser has to do something. All right.
Starting point is 00:50:18 Well, we'll figure that out. We'll figure that out. So my spiel on the Bengals here, I feel like I have to give it since you gave a good take here on the Raiders. I get it. The Raiders are very, very gritty. I totally understand that. The last time in this game, the Bengals beat them 32 to 13. They relied heavily on the run, 30 rush attempts from Joe Mixon. But then you also look at this Raiders team currently right now, 25th in defensive EPA, 26th in per drop back but seven against the run so i think that the bangles here uh you know could be in a great spot to pass against them they could be in
Starting point is 00:50:50 a great spot or these spots are running against them they already proved they can do so the raiders are not a team that really adjusts their scheme they play cover three they drop back they kind of just do what they do well which sometimes obviously in the last few games worked out for them but my thing is that when they played any reasonably good offense, you know, they've largely been gashed. I mean, they were able to beat the chargers,
Starting point is 00:51:08 but they had to score 35 points, you know, but they allowed 48 and 41 of the chiefs, 33 to the Cowboys, 28 and 32 points to the chargers. Every other team that they played, like offensive they played was, I mean,
Starting point is 00:51:20 next to near awful. I mean, they even allowed 28 points to my dolphins. And so like, these are like, I I think the Bengals are, you know, in a much better spot than they are. As I mentioned, they scored 32 points against them last time around. I think that they can score 30-plus here. It really is going to depend on if the Raiders scoring basically,
Starting point is 00:51:37 like, 27 to 30 points here to keep up. But, yeah, I like the Bengals here. I think they win by a touchdown or more, to be honest, and I get it. I understand that the Raiders are a gritty team. I understand that the Bengals are better, and I think the Raiders are fraught. I think it's really hard to beat a team twice as well. That's true. That is true.
Starting point is 00:51:58 But they didn't just beat them last time. I think it's really hard to smoke a team. I actually like that they smoke them for my side. I think it's really hard to wallop a team and then beat them again because they remember that. There's going to be a lot of motivation here. So, yeah, I think this is a great spot. I think you laid out a very compelling argument.
Starting point is 00:52:17 Absolutely, Connor. So, really looking forward to this. I have some action. A little shake. I actually don't know if this is the same Alfred L. If it is, say something in chat. But there is another Alfred L. out there. I'm some action. I actually don't know if this is the same Alfred L. If it is, say something in chat. But there is another Alfred L. out there. I'm not kidding either.
Starting point is 00:52:30 Who I have action on in this game as well. Who I think we got it at five and a half. But I'm backing the Raiders. If the Raiders lose, probably his Venmo is going to be hurting. Because I have given out a lot of action on this game. Oh, man. It's tough to beat a team twice,
Starting point is 00:52:47 so a good thing that Nick Mullins and the Browns aren't in the playoffs because it would be really tough for the Raiders. They barely eeked one by a couple weeks ago against Mullins on Thursday night. So, yeah, it's going to be an interesting playoffs. I'm excited for it. Give us your take, Ryan. You're the one who does all the spreads and sides. I like the Bengals.
Starting point is 00:53:08 I think that even though it's a little bit of a short week, that was a tough game, 80, almost 90 snaps for the Chargers, I mean, in that Chargers game. And I get your point, but it's not like the Bengals weren't playing meaningful football games all the way to the end. They had the division locked up the last week, and they didn't have to play their guys. But all the way up until that point, they still had to win.
Starting point is 00:53:33 So, yeah. The Bengals have won the Super Bowl already. Their season's a huge success already. Here's what I'll say. So the Raiders rush four, only four, more than any team in the league, which is really, really rare. Burrow's great against the Blitz, right? Yeah, and they're seventh in pass rush win rate. And the Bengals are 30th in pass block win rate.
Starting point is 00:53:58 So that's probably why I think Mixon is such a focal point of the offense is because they're trying to eliminate that from being a problem. Because if they are forced to drop back a ton and max crosby uh you know and gawkway those guys can kind of pin their ears back and go after burrow they're in trouble so i think you probably see a lot of mixing again and i think that's probably the bangles best way to do so so if the raiders run game is stouts then uh it's going to be a pretty close game and maybe the bangles win and probably covers but i think it's going to be some good football and uh we can work out the details. In the meantime, I think Sal Connor,
Starting point is 00:54:29 Sal wants to get a Dolphins tattoo. If you lose. I will do a tattoo bet. Oh my God. I'm not going to absolutely do a tattoo bet on this. I would, I would do one, but not on, not on the Raiders or Bengals. So I think that's, you know, I mean, I'd have to be a little bit more confident than that. Money is one thing, you know, my tattoos are another. I love Max Crosby for the record.
Starting point is 00:54:56 That guy has a relentless motor. Interesting. Gritty motor. I love it. Patrick's got a couple of questions for us. Josh Allen, over 33 and a half passing attempts our projections have him at 35.2 so uh leaning a little bit over not necessarily like i would say a bettable edge but do either of you have a lean on alan past attempts here i'm just mesmerized how like studious patrick looks in that picture that's like his prom photo or something like man very very handsome very linkedin composite day or whatever like yeah patrick looks like a Patrick looks in that picture. That's like his prom photo or something. Very handsome.
Starting point is 00:55:25 LinkedIn composite day or whatever. Patrick looks like a young man, but he's got a bright future. He does. If I had a daughter, that's who I'd hope that she'd be coming over with. It's Patrick. Little proppy propellers out there
Starting point is 00:55:42 in the world. Patrick hit us with two. First was Josh Allen, and then look at this handsome young man again. Jalen Hurts, over 16.5 completions. So astute questions from a very, very handsome young man. The Hurts number, we also have a slight lean over, Patrick. We have 18.8. Is that Hurts' number, 16.5 completions?
Starting point is 00:56:04 Yeah. Wow, that's so low. Yeah. Like I said, 18.8 is our number. So, yeah, that's that's pretty low. Again, weather is a concern in that one with 20 mile an hour winds and rain throughout. So, again, they could be forced to throw, but we know that they love to run the football. Do either of you have a lean on Hertz or Allen? Are projections lean slightly over on both? I think they're both fairly efficient. I hadn't seen that Hurts number, though. However, at 16 and a half, I do think there could be some value there on the over potentially.
Starting point is 00:56:35 I do think that's a very low number. And Tampa Bay might force Philly to abandon, you know, what they obviously their first and second priority is running the football. I can see a scenario, obviously, where Philly does have to air the ball out a bit more than normal against Tampa. So yeah, I think that 16 and a half seems like it could have some value. And even in a scenario where Philly is able to impose their will and do what they want to do, that number seems still obtainable.
Starting point is 00:57:02 So I think that 16 and a half looks pretty pretty good some interesting suggestions here for the payoff uh baby calves wants connor to work out with him if he loses the bets uh so connor do you want to travel up to michigan to work out with dan and uh do leg presses yeah yeah i mean I can't say that I'm a big leg day guy to be entirely honest. So, you know, also kind of can't work out leg presses. Yeah. You know,
Starting point is 00:57:34 this is a good, a good wholesome from our boy shop props. Loser makes a donation to the winner's favorite charity, though. This is a lot more fun. Our next show streamed from the cheapest hotel slash motel near them. That could actually get scary here.
Starting point is 00:57:50 I mean, there are some frightening... I'm also waiting to bet that Portland has some pretty dicey situations. Dude, the hotel's here. There are some dicey parts of Portland. Don't be fooled by the granola and Mount Hood. There are some dicey parts of portland don't be fooled by the like granola and
Starting point is 00:58:07 mount hood there are some sketchy parts of some of these hotels drugs are legal here so there are just some like apps you will see some just like insane stuff like walking downtown or in certain like sketchy areas like yeah you want some good downtown brown i think portland's probably your place yes it is so uh this looks like it is al uh alfred the right alfred you were talking about it looks like he uh said you guys got uh four and a half but he's willing to give you the five now. So that's how confident... We have five. It is not four and a half, Alfred. I have receipts too, buddy. Four and a half. Look at him
Starting point is 00:58:51 trying to get half a point versus me. Good news, Alfred. Four and a half and five. Completely meaningless from a total standpoint. Five is never... Five doesn't matter, typically. You're all right still. So, uh, all right. Bruce,
Starting point is 00:59:10 you sell had a recap that I skipped while before we get to his, uh, prop tool play of the week and run down the ones that we shared first Connor with his, uh, Jawan Jennings. Um, it was under 29 and a half receiving yards. We also had a Dawson Knox under 33 and a half receiving yards as well. And Zay Jones under four and a half receptions. I have Dak Prescott over 36 and a half pass attempts. I like Dusty Zach Ertz over five and a half catches.
Starting point is 00:59:38 And then Kyler Murray over 35 and a half rushing yards. Also had a joint play, our favorite plays. Connor and I had Patrick Mahomes over 18 and a half rushing yards. Also had a joint play, our favorite plays. Connor and I had Patrick Mahomes over 18 and a half rushing yards as well. And then Prop Stars wraps us up with a few, too. We had Brashad Perryman over 33 and a half receiving yards. Uncle Lenny under five and a half receptions. And then what else did we have? We had Zeke under 69 and a half combined rushing and receiving for
Starting point is 01:00:05 prop star so that is the uh the ones that we gave out here now it is time for producer sal's prop tool bets of the week again the prop tool is available with a betting subscription here at four for four again go in the notes four four dot com slash plans wait till monday just to be safe get a sub take you through the end of next football season uh producer sal what do you got Again, go in the notes, 404.com slash plans. Wait until Monday just to be safe. Get a sub. Take you through the end of next football season. Producer Sal, what do you got? All right.
Starting point is 01:00:43 T. Higgins. We have a T. Higgins over 65 and a half yards. This is available at minus 110 on FanDuel. Our projections have Tee Higgins at 81.3 yards. Alex, I'm going to toss it to you first because I know that you had a take as far as, you know, Jamar Chase. That probably correlates well. They are fairly comparable as far as average at the target routes run and all that stuff what are your thoughts here on t yeah i actually much prefer t higgins uh this week i'm big t higgins
Starting point is 01:01:15 guy as well i do think that he offers a little bit higher of a floor than jamar as well i do think he kind of functions as uh Burroughs sort of safety blanket. So yeah, I'd like T Higgins quite a bit. I do think this is a decent matchup for him as well. So yeah, I like this. Connor,
Starting point is 01:01:35 any thoughts here on the, on the Bengals passing game and T Higgins? Yeah, I think that when T Higgins gets deep for his third consecutive 80 yard bomb over the Raider secondary, you know, he'll probably hit the over. So rich.
Starting point is 01:01:50 Yeah. Not really deep analysis there, but that's good. No bias. No, none, none, none.
Starting point is 01:01:57 Yeah. That's what I love about you and your stuff. It's good. Important to know the prop tool picks of the week from Sal have gone 12 and seven on the year. So just, just tailing Sal. Uh,
Starting point is 01:02:08 and when he, and when he hits, he hits it like halftime. Cause he'll text us and let us know, uh, that is his prop hit. Uh, again,
Starting point is 01:02:15 it's typically, you know, Kyle, you check over seven and a half receiving yards. Um, you know, that hits pretty early often, but,
Starting point is 01:02:22 uh, yeah, we've even had to move Sal off of some of his picks because we talked about him on the show. So his record would probably be even better if we didn't hamstring a few times into secondary picks. So again, this is part of our subscription. We have this similar tool, or very same tool, for our NBA props as well.
Starting point is 01:02:39 We also have a prop explorer where you can pump in T. Higgins, find out how often he's gone over this number when he hasn't, give you our lean over under and different ways to approach it is part of our suite of tools that we are ever expanding here at four for four. Again, definitely recommend checking that out. So good stuff as always, Sal. This should be an interesting way to, to close out this, this Raiders Bengals bet. So, uh, good stuff as always appreciate you guys.
Starting point is 01:03:08 Again, uh, we will be back for the same thing, right? This is super wild card weekend. And then we got the guests, the normal wild card weekend next week where we have six more games. So,
Starting point is 01:03:20 uh, we appreciate you guys hanging out. Appreciate you firing your questions. And again, uh, for Connor and Alex, I'm Ryan. We'll see you guys soon. Thanks, everyone.

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