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Episode Date: April 20, 2024

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Hello and welcome to Moodlewine presented by 4 for 4 Bets. I'm Ryan Noonan. No time for pleasantries. I don't give a rip how the three of you are. Let's jump into it. We are here. We are six days out. Connor Allen, Vegas Refund, Scott Smith. We got Scott Smith's newest mock draft up today. Movement in the quarterback two or pick two market. Just a lot to get to here. Scott, I'm going to start with you, man. Mock draft number two, movement at the top, some changes from what you've done in the previous mock, another change in the streets there as well of what you did with that trade up. That is a big discussion point I want to have today. We'll walk through some of that stuff. Connor, you can bring that up if you want. But Scott, kick it off with you, man. Talk to us about mock 3.0. Yeah. So I try to do things a little bit differently maybe than some other people do. I use this as an exercise to run through different scenarios and then mix in how I think things could turn out if, you know, one or two picks fall off from what the consensus seems to think.

And then also mix in some insight and some other things that I'm gaining and, you know and knowledge I'm coming about through different sources and other avenues. You know, over the last couple of days, it's been the Jaden Daniels, Drake May, which usually starts off every one of our shows. And specifically, the market has come down drastically. And I think more accurately reflects what you know, what the odds are for either of these guys to go. There's been reports, you know, that Jaden Daniels doesn't want to be in Washington. You know, the sources that I've talked to said he really, really wants to be in Las Vegas.

And you're starting to see more and more reports kind of trickle out from different avenues and different corners of, of the world. And so, uh, you know, that's, that's just kind of how it, how it goes. And even with Adam Schefter and Peter Schrager and all the other big wigs that, uh, you know, basically said, go buy your jerseys for, uh, Jayden Daniels to Washington, um, you're starting to see a little bit of backtracking on that. And, um, you know, I, I've kind of held a little bit of backtracking on that. And, you know, I've kind of held a little bit firmly that, you know, I think it's going to be Drake May. There's some whispers out there that it may not be Drake May and it may not be Jaden Daniels. But, you know, as of right now,

the lean that I have is that it's going to be Drake May 2 and Jaden Daniels 3. Yeah, Connor, we've seen, obviously, we know how these markets can move and it's not necessarily moving off of information it can be moving off of a handful of of strategic bets in the same time so it's not necessarily indicative of what's actually happening scott's adding a little bit of context to that which i think is and as we talk right now i get a text message from a local source in baton rouge says i says, I can confirm Jaden Daniels does not want to be at Washington, period, exclamation point. I wouldn't either. I know this is like, who the hell wants to go there? They should have stuck with Washington football team, for what it's worth.

You think it's the commander's thing that's keeping him out? Yeah, it's definitely the team name. Yeah, that fair uh yeah connor we're basically back to you i guess even odds on you know in terms of who's going to scott sprinkled uh maybe a jj mccarthy possible there those odds are far longer than anything else we're basically you know looking at draft kings right around even minus 115 15 on both sides. A fan dual is still a little bit behind on, on Drake may, but you know,

still fairly close. Last time we talked, I think we get down to like minus three 30 on Jane Daniels being the pick at number two. And then we've obviously, I know you are deep into the pretty Ricky streets and the tweets going on there. It's been an interesting draft. Insider, I guess you could call at this point.

There's even implications from Pretty Ricky that for the Pats at three, it's a McCarthy or May decision, which is very, very interesting. So what are your thoughts on, I guess, quarterbacks mixed at the top and anything that's going on right now? Yeah, so to your thoughts on, I guess, quarterbacks mix at the top and anything that's going on right now? Yeah. So to start it to, I mean, we've been saying basically that Jaden Daniels is not for sure the pick at two for a long time now. So I guess, you know, small shout out to us, you know, right off the rip here. But I think that like this market movement doesn't mean that it's not Jaden Daniels. Like again, you know, we need to balance measure take here. Like

this just means that people are, this is a correction in the market that it's not jayden daniels like again you know we need to balance measure take here like this just means that people are this is a correction in the market because it's always been a coin flip so again now it's back to a coin flip and that makes sense now with the newest stuff coming out i think it's interesting because we got a report a couple weeks ago um you know one of our friends got ripped and aggregated uh you know publicly by saying that drake or that jayden daniels maybe wouldn't want to be uh in washington and that's looking more and more uh you know pressing at the moment so it's like it's like one of those things that there was smoke and that was quickly shut down by jay daniels you know publicly saying that he's going to do all the visits and now he's taking a visit with

minnesota the day after his joint visit that he initially had declined, which I think is notable. But yeah, like, I mean, I think it could be Drake May. I still don't think that the J.J. McCarthy thing is dead. After the owners meeting, we saw a report come out from Tom Palacero saying that most people that he talked to thought that Adam Peters was a J.J. McCarthy guy. Again, I mean, they have a second pick. There's zero reason for smoke of like, why would, you know know like no one's trading to two for jj mccarthy so i don't know just again it's like 22 to 1 just keep an open mind i would say i think that like the lance and mac jones thing i think that we will know like the day of and there will

be strong reporting and that is what i will probably be chasing the most vr where you got to uh add to this discussion here bud uh i was i mean i think after the show on was it tuesday you're like let's not talk about quarterbacks we don't need to anymore um but it's definitely worth it now with what went on and i mean we are like we've said we're just stuck in a loop it's literally it's like this happens every year and stroud is kind of like the prime example to compare it to last year where he was the consensus guy to go to for probably over a year and then all of a sudden I guess and then he was like number one and then he wasn't and then people were saying like he might even fall to eight just knocking him down all of a sudden a week or two out like everything

just get resets and he goes back to the number two where he was from the start um and here we are again but like just remember odds moves like these like are so sensitive they literally really like i mean this might mean something but in the grand scheme it like probably doesn't and no one still knows and the odds are where they probably should be right now i'm definitely buying this jayden stuff currently um with whether he doesn't want to go to washington wants to go to the raiders but like the raiders like feels if they were in like a position like the vikings are like that would have a ton of legs for me but yeah again I'm not like very invested in who goes two or three like at all like because two and three are

still going to go two and three and the rest is going to shake out pretty much the same no matter who goes where JJ will probably go four or five and that's okay but yeah i don't really have any thoughts i'm buying i'm buying the move i think it's correct odds now we really just never it was all just hearsay and shepter saying this etc like telling people to buy jerseys but like it's just agent talk and you can't buy agent talk at this point yeah Yeah. Last bit. I want to be clear. I am building a non Jaden Daniels to position just like with, you know, may plus money and then some, some JJ McCarthy, just like, I don't know. I just, the way things are trading trending.

I just think that a non Jaden Daniels to position seems to be something that I'm interested in. So that's how I'm approaching it. And the one thing to kind of point out is this isn't something that we just jumped on. This is something that, you know, I've personally been aggregating through a number of different avenues for weeks now. So it's not something, even though you're seeing the odds move just here over the last day or two, you know, it's, it's, there's been rumors and, you know it's it's there's been rumors and you know different information out there in the streets that that have built up to this so this isn't just something that has happened overnight and i feel like i brought i brought up jeremiah ton the last couple days really because we're

like scraping for anything and he's really giving the most out because he's just the guy everyone wants to listen to right now but But he's been Drake number two. He hasn't really wavered. And I think Drake was like his number two guy based off of his rankings from the start. And he just kept him there the whole time. And I mean, if he, I think out of all the mocks, if he switches to Jaden too next week, like I think that's like would be a huge thing for me in terms of looking at mox and uh reading the tea leaves but if he stays at drake like yeah i mean it's

just everyone's just been buying the rumors and i think shepter honestly has been the main engine behind it all which we've been saying like mainstream media like you can't really listen to it as much like the mainstream guys, like Waz with what's his name, Jabari. Like what are you doing? Are you trying to start a political show or what? Yeah, what are we doing here? What?

The mainstream media can't be trusted, VR. Oh, yeah. I mean, totally. Yeah. When you start talking AOC, we have to clarify if it's the raiders quarterback or you know the uh uh you know progress from a from senator from new york just make sure we clarify here for our for our audience out here so um in closing here uh and again if you're hanging out

with us live we super appreciate it subscribe to the channel jump in the chat we want to take as many of your questions as possible today uh circle back on a couple that were in the chat on Tuesday that we didn't get to. So your questions, we would really appreciate here. We'll save some time here at the end. Connor, you talk about building a non-Daniels to type of portfolio right now. Do you have any interest or any credence? Because we've got just as little out of New England in terms of where they're at uh you know what ellie wolf press conference yesterday makes it sound hey we're open to whatever we'll put them training up training down here and there like a little bit of cat in

the hat everywhere uh but it feels like they're going to stay at three we're not getting any like preference to new england in terms of where they're at in the May Daniels McCarthy mix as well. Does your, or I guess, will you be considering a non Daniels three portfolio as well? With JJ McCarthy being in the mix there whatsoever, you know, whatsoever.

Yeah. And Brad in the chat brings up that exact point. Does Jade want to even go to new England? If he sabotages his way out of Washington, who's to say new England just doesn't take him at three or he sabotages his way out of three as well. Yeah. Like I, I think that the market is going to move a lot. Like this is not set where, you know, a little less than a week out. I would not be surprised to see Drake may become minus two 50 and then go all the way back down to plus 200 and JJ McCarthy,

you know, be like as low as like four to one at one point. Like it's, it's all going to move. It's all going to happen. So just take some plus money on multiple different scenarios at two, three, and four. And I think that you will be happy and you will be, you'll have time to adjust at the end. So that's kind of how I'm approaching it generally. I think that Jaden to go three, there's some interesting numbers there. Um, I think, yeah, that, that, that makes a ton of sense. And then JJ at four at FanDuel is like really off market relative to DK. It's like plus 450 or something like that, which we can get into more with the trade here at four or five.

But I think that's an interesting look as well. Yeah. Scott, you did the trade a little different. We've been talking about how there are multiple teams jockeying for that position to land one of the top four quarterbacks. I think we've all heard what we think of the prospects. doesn't matter jj is in that mix for sure and look i think denver still very much in the mix i would not be surprised if denver punts future stuff to make that happen you have the giants making that move as well so obviously to your point what you wrote there

is there's just enough steam enough of them doing deep dives on this quarterback class that there's some there there. Talk to me about the J.J. to the Giants trade up here with the Cardinals. Yeah, I tend to believe that New York in particular has a higher grade on Drake May than J.J. McCarthy. And when it's all said and done, you may find out that New York had a higher grade on Drake May than any other team.

Specifically here, it's more of a thought process with Arizona, where you've consistently seen throughout the industry with mock after mock, it's almost chalk to just consider that it's going to be Minnesota trading up into either that four or five spot and using those two picks in the first round to entice one of these teams to trade with them. But it's just a situation where it takes two to tango. I think Marvin Harrison is going to be very highly valued by both the Chargers and Arizona. But in this particular case, Malik Nabors did meet with Arizona here in Baton Rouge in Louisiana during his pro day. My understanding is that that meeting went very well.

They were comfortable with him. And in this scenario, it just makes sense for them to move down two spots rather than all the way down to 11 just to try to move back up to get into a position to either get a Malik Nabors or get a Romo Dunze. You know, I think everybody kind of fell in love with that footage from last year's draft, watching Manny Assenfort, you know, Monty Austin Fort do his work behind the scenes. And you've seen that posted all over. And I think it's somewhat of a fairy tale. That's how things happen.

But it's not the way things happen all the time. They don't put out videos of all the failed trade offers and all the failed movement that never happens during drafts. So I think people have fallen in love with that a little bit too much and tend to, you know, kind of rule out the possibility that, you know, Arizona may not want to move all the way down to 11, you know, you did see Schrager come out with, I think something similar. And it's just going through the process of if Minnesota isn't that team, you know, who is it going to be? Is Arizona going to stay and put and take Marvin Harrison? And then that puts the onus on the Chargers to be the trade partner.

Or, you know, in this particular case, you know, I have Arizona just moving back two spots and still getting a wide receiver. Yeah. I understand the thought process, and I totally get it. VR, any thoughts on this mix or how Scott has this kind of shaken out here? No, I think I loved his mock when I read it. Yeah, I'm totally behind basically everything. I was honestly just going through pick for pick, and I was trying to find one to ask

specifically that was like, oh, like I don't get it. But wait, you have panics at 31. I thought you had next. Do you have next or panics at 31? My last my last draft, I had nicks at 31 in this one. You know, as gross and disgusting as it made me feel, Pennix is supposed to be the pick there at 31. It's one of those things I've gone back and forth.

I do think one of these guys makes it in, and I just feel gross because I don't agree with it as far as Pennix being a first-round value. There's a lot of smoke on both Penix and Knicks being the picks there to uh you know Denver and and the Raiders in particular this uh question or comment I guess in the chat is one I I massively agree with I was thinking about this last night and trying to like really think about this these trade partners we've kept going on and on about Denver and Sean Payton, and Sean Payton cannot go into the season with that quarterback room. With all that's gone on in the trade to even get the second pick in the first round, this does feel like such an L draft for the Vikings, right?

In the sense that they're going to add, in Scott's mock here, they're adding two defensive starters at positions of need without a doubt. They also have Sam Donald's quarterback and whatever you like, like whatever happened in New York, I don't know what you think of Sam Donald. It's not far off of like, are the Vikings really going to go into the season with Sam Donald as the presumed starting quarterback? that's a very tough position when you had capital in the first round in a draft that has four guys that seem to be worthwhile guys to kind of build around and go from there. So it does feel like an L draft for the Vikings, as it would, I think, for the Broncos to stay at 12 and take a Brock Bowers,

who we all think is a really good football player. But in this draft, it feels really, really tough. So do you start to go to New York and say, hey, do you want to shake out one of those other three guys too? That's the thing with the Giants. It's always been weird to me. Why go out and add Drew Locke as a backup to your quarterback situation with Daniel Jones?

If you need a backup, you want to improve that room, just have that be the rookie quarterback that you added too. So, yeah, Connor, thoughts on Minnesota taking a massive L here? Yeah, I mean, this is a disaster. This is like what I keep going back to. Like they do this draft and like, I mean, under six and a half wins is just like free money. I mean, Sam Donald is, I don't know. I mean, under six and a half wins is just like free money. I mean, Sam Donald is,

I don't know. I mean, he played fine with good, good support system. I just don't think that he's, I think that he's still terrible. So, I mean, it's just like one of those things where even if you, you know, try and put some lipstick on the pig there, I think it's still gonna, it's still gonna be squeak, squealing, squealing away. So I'm a little bit worried. I think that the Vikings find a way. Pennix at 31. Again, I think Scott makes a ton of sense there schrager's last mock he didn't have penix got some feedback that it's going to be in there but that feedback also came from teams who are in the back half of the 20s who are motivated to tell other tell that publicly and be like hey like penix needs to go so that way they can get you know one of their guys in the late 20s so i don't know if you want to add

something there and the one thing with it really isn't uh has nothing to do with the vikings other than i think byron murphy would be hot at 11 over turner potentially but i guess i might be going off script here but so i was i was listening into uh walter football's after dark show, which are, I highly recommend them. Just if you want to sit down and on just a different type of gas, you just go through mocks. Then you're like reviews others. And I dropped a question on the YouTube and he answers like every question.

I asked him which reporters he, which team reporters he respects the most or goes off of. And Walt's like historically one of the best mock drafters, him and Charlie. And he just pulled out like a record keeping tab on his website. And it took him like a couple of minutes to pull it up because his website is just a disaster. But this guy,

which I, we can drop the link in the discord right in here as well. And first thing that came out of his Matt Miller, good Lord. Like, and he basically keeps track of like win loss column on news rumors that they tweet out or give out to their viewers. And Matt Miller was like,

it has been three, it was three and 21. I want to say that was his record. So he he of all of the tidbits he gave out he only won three only three were right and 21 were wrong which was the first thing i took out of this i mean the other thing is like this guy jeraki for the cardinals but he preached him as like basically gospel um for cardinals drafts and like his win last record was 14 and 0 um yeah here we go 14 and 0 and um i made a twitter list for all of these guys and one thing i came out of after this i was looking at jarecki and jarecki has been like strong to almost the extent that like the cardinals have neighbors over marvin harrison um here it is yeah

i don't know if it was like directly over marvin but i basically came out of it like this guy jericho who's like apparently gospel is like preaching neighbors definitely over a dunes day um it was just i mean jericho saying neighbors, whether that is over Marvin or whether that's a trade back, then trade back in kind of like what Scott was speaking to. Like, I think it's definitely an overrated aspect or assumption based off those Twitter videos and then last year. But go through this list. It's, I mean, if you're listening,

I made a Twitter list for all of those local guys. And honestly, I don't know what qualifies as like a win loss um but matt miller good lord i mean just like three for 21 i mean that's like like privileges should be taken away um well that's because like it's his draft notebook like you know that it probably came from someone came from that draft notebook that i think i subscribed to one year and then uh did not the next year because like literally everything was wrong like i mean like top to bottom all the rumors like he just made him up i mean like you couldn't have blindly been worse like literally just couldn't have blindly been worse so it's also a tough scene for uh albright he might be i needed you to defend that i was gonna come with that i think i'm out on him after the uh sexting last year i mean i was yeah the dick picket incident heard around

the world yeah you can't come back from that and then this was really just the nail in the coffin a man takes a lot of people along yeah um but that guy uh a little bit I think the 7-0 guy is a Bronco is the Broncos yeah Cecil Lambert yeah he's Albright is out and Cecil is in Jordan Renan is good too he's a great Giants guy I mean it's a pretty good list you know honestly it's pretty I mean I give them this is this is the definition of the type of stuff that is like difference makers, literally keeping win losses on reports over almost a 10 year period, like props to Walter. I don't care how bad your site is. And God,

he has this one ad. It's like, I think it's like an Exxon mobile ad that you go on. It is a screen takeover. If you're on your phone is every time you open it up for the first time, it's an Exxon mobile ad. I'm going to get gas if I'm driving by an Exxon and I need it. I don't need this fucking ad anymore, dude. I mean, even on this screen alone, we have five ads and then a pop-up came up in the middle.

Yeah, it's incredible. I was waiting for it to shut down in five. This is crazy. I really want the Exxon ad to pop up right now, but I mean, this is like, I can't even scroll without ads. Like what is going on here?

You can subscribe. I don't know how much the subscription is. I don't even know what the website would look like without ads, but yeah. Your computer now with AIDS. I'm sorry. I'm going to close out of that tab. BR.

We probably just infected everyone in the chat too. I posted it in the chat for anyone who wants to poke around there. But it's probably a good resource, but just make sure to go on incognito mode maybe. Yeah. Real quick reminder, if you're hanging out, jump in the chat. Let us know. We're going to get to as many questions as you can.

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but I think she's like 9-3 in there, so good for her. Definitely something to look at when we get second round stuff or whatever's going on there cleave cleave ta uh his battle with mary k just cracks me up he just like routinely shits on her like anytime she tweets anything and just like constantly keeping a record of it it's very interesting it's very actually that is it cleaver club i don't even know Whatever He had a response In a tweet a couple days ago about The Cardinals loving neighbors too Which I think was kind of like How it caught my eye

With this Jarecki guy, this 14-0 guy Harping Cardinals with neighbors Which I think is very notable Yeah, we know there's Connections there with Cleve and Arizona, so some valuable insight there, I think, for sure. All right, Connor, we've got another lot to eights to the Falcons here.

Shout out to Max, asking about first d line edge first defensive player market again he is first offensive player off the board here in scott's mock draft i'm gonna pull up the odds here currently to look at the first offensive player off the board see where we've shifted here uh as of late and uh i know they were like you know a couple weeks ago a week and a half ago you know lots, Latu was 9-1 or so to be first defensive player off the board. Dallas Turner is still the favorite. DraftKings, he's minus 135, minus 110 on FanDuel.

Latu is still available around 3-1. It's plus 250 on DraftKings, plus 350 on FanDuel. Any thoughts there versus kind of holding strong there at 4-1, corners kind of comfortably behind. Looks at four to one corners kind of comfortably behind looks like everyone feels like first defensive player off the board will be one of the three edges yeah i think a lot to reverse are the best bets on the board right now uh we go through a couple different scenarios real quick i mean it's basically what scott has right here i think that straight up the falcons could prefer a lot to over turner which would make him the first

off the board but i also think the falcons are pretty likely to trade down. And so like the more that we hear coming out of there is like, they don't even necessarily view lots who or Turner is like top 10 options. And so they're like very motivated to trade down. Then we have the jets, the Colts, and I think the Jaguars all to some extent interested in trading up to eight. Um, or if the Cardinals traded all the way back to 11, I think that makes a lot of sense as a team to come back up to eight. So like there's three to four different options here. I'm starting to lean towards like 60, 70% that they're going to trade down. So in my opinion, and someone will come up for Roma Dunza again, because on the board, on the board here,

someone like Roma Dunza could go eight if someone traded up. And then with pick nine, I think the Bears would pick a verse. So that would make him the first defender in that scenario. So again, I think both those looking at plus four 20 at FanDuel plus three 70 at FanDuel for lots to inverse. I think that both of those are fine. We had a question here. What would it take for the jets to get up to eight? Like, I mean, super cheap. It's probably like a mid round pick swap. I mean, we're probably talking like, I don't know, like a three to a five, something like that. You know, somewhere in that range, I would guess maybe, maybe, maybe so i yeah like i think that's like super likely if the jets do want to go in on a pass catcher there um but i do think that what

scott has with troy faton who makes a ton of sense too if they stamp out at 10 so just a piggyback just to piggyback off of that for them to move up it's basically a difference on a trade chart of about 100 points which equates to like the last pick in the third round or a fourth round pick and like latu so like falcons beat writer led better put out his like quote final mock yesterday and he actually started it with kind of like an explanation of what the falcons are going to do and it's a pre he goes into latu clearing medicals with the Falcons. He had meetings with the Falcons at the Combine 30. It's a great explanation. And honestly, it sold me on the Falcons being in on Latu,

whether it's a trade or just at eight. So for me, like Turner is kind of out the door. And it has nothing to do with just the consensus being so strong. Like I think if the Falcons pick at eight, it's kind of out the door and it has nothing to do with just the consensus being so strong. Like I think if the Falcons pick at eight, it's a lot too. But he also mentioned like them wanting to trade back, which could just be at a 10 and that would be still the first defensive player.

Cause we assume it's for a doomsday, but value wise, I think Murphy is probably the best bet first defensive player who he's like the hottest topic in all of the experts right now to the point where like it's not even a secret that Murphy um could be but I think he's like eight to one at the time and Latu's two three to one and like a couple of top 10 round robins are are fun throw in like latu like verse murphy fatano maybe fuwaga um whether it's a two-leg round robin maybe three those are i think probably the way if you want to parlay these walk me through the scenario that murphy goes like top 10 because like i've been struggling

with that honestly or like first defender first defender because like i mean would it require like the bears or the falcons having them higher on their board and we just don't know or like someone trading into the jets at 10 like or is it just literally all offense to 11 and like the vikings or cardinals would take that first defender at 11 because that's just what i was like struggling with because it makes sense like byron murphy's dog but do you have any like have you thought about that at all vr like i think it would be like jeremiah bringing up murphy him not being surprised if murphy went to the falcons at eight a couple days ago um and then i don't think it would be crazy for murphy to go to the bears either um i guess at nine i think he would be and if like let's say the falcons trade back into the teens and all of a sudden the Vikings don't trade in, or maybe the Broncos are at 12 and they don't take a quarterback.

I can think of the Falcons trade back. I guess that the Falcons are in the teens would be for the team moving up a fee for a doomsday. So I think of the Falcons don't pick there. Like what is the next team to take a defensive player? Maybe the Bears, probably the Bears if Adunza is not there. Then after that, it could be the Vikings, Broncos, which then it's totally up in the air on who Vikings are, like let's just say the Broncos are taking.

I'm kind of with you, Connor, because I feel like just... It's tough, but like it is yeah so part of it too is and i i i want to stay like liable to information right what's coming out but sometimes i am still just so much looking at team needs and what how rosters currently sit the only strength really defensively for the falcons is their interior defensive line so byron murphy there doesn't make sense david onamata grady jarrett are there like they have some depth at the position they don't have a lot of edge rushers if they needed anything else defensively cornerback

makes a ton of sense now chicago makes a lot more sense in terms of what they actually need you can make a case that the interior defensive line is necessary as edge for them, except we're getting information out of Chicago that it's receiver or probably verse, right? So we're not hearing Brian Murphy in a spot where we do have some connects that have kind of come in for us over the last couple of years. So then all of a sudden it gets pretty dicey in terms of a team maybe having to come up and target him. So I get where it was at plus money wise i think you know more so than you know first defensive player you're still looking at like double digit odds so i understand that but yeah having him actually find the landing spot that

makes sense is it's tricky so the home run here in the draft was is roman dunes eight of the bears at nine like feels more and more likely that that just a dream scenario for the bears but a really why i think the titans and falcons make a ton of sense in terms of trade targets because they can address whatever they like probably a little bit further down and there are so many teams that probably want to jump ahead of the bears at nine to go ahead and get a doomsday there so um yeah chicago would be i think stoked to land caleb and a doomsday and roll that out for for week one um scott dallas turner brock bowers uh to lucy fuago whatever you want to talk about here um kind of keep us going here and moving along in your mock yeah so naturally you see dallas turner down there at uh minnesota it was it was a little

bit tough um and to kind of piggyback on what VR said, you know, Byron Murphy was a consideration there. And I've heard that 16 is the absolute floor for Byron Murphy, which is kind of where I have him slotted in there. And then look, it's tough to go ahead and try to figure out what Denver is going to do, specifically when it comes to Bowers. I've been getting a lot of mixed information about, you know, how interested the Jets may or may not be in them. So, you know, in this scenario, I kind of slotted him past the Jets there. And, you know, you look at what Denver and specifically Sean Payton

has done in his past when he's had good tight ends. And I think if he's going to go ahead and miss out on a quarterback or not be able to to draft the quarterback this high due to the value concerns I think he would go ahead and take a weapon he's traditionally operated with big slots which is what Bowers kind of projects as even though he's a tight end I see him moving and working a lot in that slot um so i think he's a piece that sean payton if he chose not to go quarterback and um you know the other player that i hear that they're interested in is latu is off the board um i think bowers can make sense at 12 um and i want to ask you a question i don't know if you want to get into it but like brian thomas uh where we've said on the show like a lot of

people are putting brian thomas to the bills at 28 just for like the team and the ratings but i don't think that's what you did here no i do have brian thomas to the bills at 28 um yeah but i do you believe he'll follow the 28 so let's just go ahead and get into it. Yesterday, I had two people person, as soon as I asked, didn't even mention what the injury was, came out and told me exactly what the injury was, which was also specifically what someone else was asking me. From there, I actually vetted it through two other sources. And the information that I've gotten is that Brian Thomas did have an injury that he has played with since the Alabama game that could require surgery. That, you know, teams, some teams do know about it. It has been one of those things that could see him slide down.

Specifically, it is supposed to be a labrum. The interesting part is that, you know, you do have a labrum in your hip and your shoulder. I have experience tearing one of my shoulder and having two surgeries on my shoulder. The turnaround time for that, if it's a shoulder, is generally eight to 10 weeks before you can start training again post-surgery with a four to six month recovery time. I'm talking specifically to one of my surgeons and some other people in the physical therapy that go ahead and treat these injuries. The turnaround time for full recovery is generally four to six months. I was told that, you know, you can kind of shorten that to the shorter side, maybe limit it by about 25 percent shorter for an athlete who has the resources that Brian Thomas should have. But in this scenario, I have him at 28 and slipping. And it's mainly due to this injury that has not been reported as of yet. I feel comfortable with the sources that I've edited out. One of them is the actual staff

member, very close to the LSU football team., it's something while not reported yet could be a concern and drop him into essentially the Bill's lap who he's been heavily connected to throughout the draft process anyways. And we confirm that shoulder, not hip, you would not be running four, three. So, and the other interesting part about that is, you know, I did not go out of the way to confirm whether it was a shoulder or hip, but I was told that it was a labrum. Um, the interesting part of that is that he did at the combine, both do the bench press and the 40. Um, I can tell you whenever I had, you know, my labrum, which I'm not a professional athlete that Brian Thomas Jr. is I dealt with it

in, in, you know, in the gym training and sparring with a lot of my fighters for a couple of years before I actually had it operated on. So it's really, and talking to a surgeon yesterday, the difficulty with the injury is going to really depend upon one, where it was torn at or where the injury was at and, you know, whether or not there was any damage to the surrounding tissue, which could be as in-depth as a bicep tear or tendon um different things like that i don't have all of that information but you know the information that i did get was that it is a labrum injury that happened against alabama that he played with and was treated for through throughout the season after that game and for me this is more for me like the brian thomas over under like that got steamed up

yesterday most likely off of this and i think everyone has been slotting thomas to the bills assuming that they might trade up for him which it's all about like the overrunners it's all about like the positional rankings where these guys are going to go in these slots and the next guy is going to go in the next slot where we're projecting this position to go. And if Brian Thomas isn't going in the teens like he is right now, he's going to be pushing guys like Adande back, where a team that we've projected Adande to go to in this range

might have Brian Thomas instead and take over, which would be the over. I think Xavier Worthy is kind of like the wild card that I don't think he's going to get pushed back by anyone. And if the team loves him, they're just going to take him like the Cowboys. But Brian Thomas, I will say this. I will say this. And you mentioned the Cowboys. I reached out to one of my Cowboy connections, and there was no mention of Xavier Worthy. Specifically, they're very heavily invested in offensive line at this point in time.

The team that is starting to get a little bit of run and is kind of my dark horse, if Xavier Worthy does go in the first round, is the Rams. You look at what they've done in the past. I could see them being all in for next year or two with Stafford and looking at some of the picks they've made, specifically at wide receiver in the second round in years past. I could see them, and there are quotes out there from their GM basically glossing and loving the speed aspect that Xavier Worthy brings. And it would just be crazy to go ahead and pair him with the Rams

and that offense with the other receivers and weapons there. So that's kind of interesting to me. And it's one of the things that I considered in this mock, but I decided specifically with the Rams to go with Nims because that offensive line, while they patched together and made it work over the last couple of years, is a little bit devoid of talent. I guess I'm butchering his name.

We need to have a VR reads everyone's name portion of the show. Dallas G on the Eagles is the one I'm infamous for getting wrong. Oh, Godere. Godere. That's what you used to call him. Dallas Godere. You used to call Godere. In general, I'm at fitness forward,

but I'm just going to stick with AD moving forward. I had him with a D in my sheet forever, and I finally switched it yesterday, actually. People are desperate for you to read who Scott has the Chiefs mocked here at 32nd. People really want you to get on that one. I can help you out. I'll give it a whirl.

Let's go. Kingsley. Is this at Sumataya? Nope. Not close. Nope. Really? Sua Mataiya. What? Is it really? Sua Mataiya. What about that?

Is it really? Sua Mataiya. I just didn't call him. No, this one's worse. How about the Clemson offensive lineman, Rook Oroborow? I mean, Piper has that guy in his mock. That one's a tough one as well. That's a new segment next year

is we need to go at least one to two names per show, every show, of Luke without his name. Andy would have me do it last year and it would be just a total debacle. Can you imagine Xavier Worthy and tutu atwell together like just hopefully they play i mean they play home games in the dome basically uh because otherwise like those guys are emmanuel forbes all-stars in terms of uh you know weight and uh

speed for sure would be very interesting and again that goes on to the nugget of of schrager coming out with his mock draft saying that he would basically take a stand and guarantee that the Rams, if they stay home at 19, come away with an offensive player. Offensive line makes a ton of sense there. Scott mocked that. I bet Rams first pick offensive line.

I think that that fits a need. They can go really in any direction. They don't have a locked in stalwart on really know really there for long term at any of the positions so uh and scott did that here in the mock but i think receiver probably at like yeah what you're still looking at probably 10 to 1 or longer makes some sense there for sure so i'll see some other questions here uh brad mentioned too we're talking about what it would take to move up in that spot with the Falcons-Jets scenario. The Eagles gave up a fourth last year in that trade from 9 to 10 with the Bears, so that's definitely interesting to see.

Max wants to look at second and third offensive line off the board. Those markets are interesting there. Anyone have any thoughts there? I think we've felt the whole time that the linemen are so tough to kind of pinpoint but some teams need interior offensive linemen some teams need right tackle more than left that was kind of the case earlier with the chargers whereas they don't really need a left tackle they would probably need the right tackle which is kind of the whole and the alt argument early on when that was the spot happening. Whereas, you know, the Raiders need right tackle. You'd probably think that the Saints need left tackle. So any thoughts on second, third offensive lineman there, Scott?

Yeah, I think whenever you look at it, Fashanu is a guy that didn't get a lot of visits as far as like top 30 visits. There's some questions and look, I don't get into all the, I think arm length is important, but how important is hand size for an offensive lineman? You start to wonder that. And apparently some people had some problems with Fashanu's hand size. I saw one quote calling him T-Rex in the trenches or something. But I think Fashanu is a guy who we've talked about in the past like had he come out last year he would have been very highly

drafted so he's a guy that i i think could could definitely be like this the second or third but you know from everything i hear fatanu is a guy that that team seemed to love he's got a long reach can play multiple positions specifically when you talk about him to the Jets. You know, he's a guy that could move inside and then still be able to fill out that left tackle or right tackle should one of the older guys that they just brought in go down. So those would probably be the three guys that I would look for. I think Fuaga is in the mix, specifically when you look at the raiders um mainly due to them needing a right tackle but you know this order that i have them in here is pretty much how i expect these top three or four tackles to fall out yeah it's it's definitely hard to

parse through uh what other uh takeaways here connor you have anything that you want to add that you're looking at here back half of sc's draft or any other draft nuggets that kind of just kind of floated around here for the last little bit? I think you and Scott and VR in your latest mock are trying to break my heart. No A.D. Mitchell. I grabbed some circa under 31.5 when, you know, kind of a rogue number. VR played the over 27 and a half i believe recently like i don't know i get it there's some definitely some you know quote concerns from again which

mcginn's piece was like a borderline hit piece that uh you know no one else had talked about until then um so i thought that was interesting yeah the mcginn thing is like had nothing to do with the over like i feel like i'm like totally out on McGinn as far as I'm concerned at this point. Not really. It's, like, just honestly, it's just, like, weird at this point, like, what he's putting out there. And I know, like, you have to read it. But for me, like, the Mitchell is just a combination of, like,omas kind of pushing them out and then really like a lot of like tidbits that jeremiah had in his conference call about like the receiver position in terms of

guys we have mocked consensus wise falling out of the first that will be unexpected and guys we might have in a second could go and generally speaking just like the position we thought would go later than we expected but yeah i mean he can just go 28 and we'll both be fine and for me specifically when talking about mitchell look i i don't know if if the mcginn piece is accurate and you know in the way or representative of the way a lot of teams will go ahead and view mitchell but you start looking at the trade-in scenarios that there are specifically for the back end of the draft. And the teams that are going to be coming up would likely be coming up for, you know, a quarterback or, you know, a few other positions. You've got some, you know, teams wanting to move up for offensive tackling and other positions. And that's just going to push some of the talent down.

And with the talent gap between wide receivers not being as big as what it is at some of the other positions and that's just going to push some of the talent down and with the talent gap between wide receivers not being as as big as what it is at some of the other positions and then also with you know Mitchell having you know some negative stuff coming out about him he's a player that is very or was easier for me to kind of have drop out one of the players that was hard for me harder for me to drop out was Jerzon Newton the defensive tackle of illinois that a lot of people seem to love but there's some pushback that he didn't work out at his pro day so it's it's it's getting crunch time over this next week to really kind of narrow down those players yeah and i think like i think like one of the hot spots for mitchell like if he doesn't go 28 to the bills or like, where do you put him?

Like, I get 23 could be that spot where, whether it's like the chargers or Cardinals trading, trading with the Vikings, I think was a very trendy trade spot where 80 could go, which would require the bills to either trade into 23 or one of those two trade-out teams to take him at 23. But at this point, Brian Thomas is probably going to be there at 23.

And to me, I don't see a team going AD over Thomas, even with the injury. It's just hard. From 20 to, I guess, 27 or 28, there's maybe one team that if they're drafting there would take a receiver over, like, the O-line talent that we have. But that's where I'm at. I think it's an over.

We can both win. But the one thing, there was a question in the chat, Steeler Nation. I just made the Twitter list public it was on private sorry it's just like literally called Walter reporters so just go to like my Twitter and then go to like the top right and say

click view lists and it's right there yeah maybe just talk about more ways that Scott's mock breaks hearts here a little bit my heart would be broken with Jared verse going to Miami at 21. I bet Connor and I bet Miami first pick offensive line. I feel like it's a massive knee. Now, basically every edge rusher on Miami went down with an injury

towards the tail end of the season, which makes sense. They're going to be without Jalen Phillips for the start of the season for sure. It's definitely an area of need. Yeah, but talk to me about that one here, Scott, where Verst falls to 21. Yeah, so essentially, look, we've talked about him there at nine. If Roma Dunze isn't there for the Bears, I think that's the most viable option. But if he doesn't go there, there's not a great fit necessarily. It's going to depend upon how some teams have him versus Dallas Turner, which is a mix all over, you know, the board on some teams lists, but specifically it comes down to offensive line.

I just think in this scenario, a lot of the offensive linemen that would seemingly fit there with Miami have kind of like gone off the board. Jackson Powers Johnson was one of the guys that I considered, but you know, I've talked to some people and found out that some teams have a third round grade on them. And you know, other people I've talked to think that 20 and 21 would be much too high for him to,

to be drafted or slotted. So Miami's in a position that we, we talked about with, you know, their, their defensive line losing Christian Wilkins, you knowubb, and Jalen Phillips both going down. And those guys went down a little bit late in the season to where they're going to need some help. Andrew Van Ginkle was another guy that they kind of used here and there sparingly as an edge rusher here and there from kind of a linebacker position.

They're in need to to go ahead and feel something along this defensive line and jpj is like the one guy where like i just can't i have honestly no feel on him where i feel like if you asked me about him a week ago i would think he was like falling he was like one of the guys falling out of the first um that you were starting to hear just like negative things about him where more teams have like second round grades and then it feels like within the last couple days he's become like a first round mock again uh walk where like his like overrunner i think it opened at like 32 and a half came down to like it opened it then it was like 31 on draft kings and like i was looking at that over

like based off of like just just, I felt like he was falling. And then all of a sudden, like all of the steam came in on him being a first round lock. And even like, like I thought it was like very interesting Schrager putting, he put Frazier in his mock to the lions, which was notable kind of saying how teams love him. And then he did the mock with field Yates where like they kind of went back and forth, which is a totally different aspect that you really shouldn't value a lot. But he put Frazier again.

I think it was too even. I don't know if it was the Lions. I think it might have been to a different team. Like he put Frazier in the first again to a different team that he mocked him to in the one that he put out the day earlier, which both centers. I can't remember if they had them both in. But like JPJ is just the one guy I just have honestly no clue at all. Yeah, specifically here, I've seen him and heard some good things about his connections

and specifically how he interviewed with specifically Tampa. You know, Tampa is another team that likes to draft specifically off of visits. They've had multiple visits with them, both, I think, at the Combine or either as Pro Day and a Top 30. So, you know, he's a guy that's kind of connected there. You know, you look at the center, I forget his name off the top of my head right now,

but he just retired. He's a Jansen, I think. So I think there's a need and a fit that he would have there. I think the big issue with him when it comes to a lot of teams is that some teams don't view him as a center. They view him more as a guard. So his specific fit to certain teams is going to come into play whether or not he makes it in to the first round or falls out of the first round. So teams that view him as a guard will take him in the first? It's just going to depend.

I mean, if you have a team that views him as a guard that needs center help, then he might not be on their board as far as a first-round grade. But specifically, I have heard that Tampa Bay does view him as a center option. So that's why I have him slotted here. Yeah, fits a need for them more so than than guard for sure all right we'll knock through some questions here if you're still hanging out jump in the chat uh we'll get to as many here as we can as we kind of pop through these um i'll take through go ahead there all right i'll take it you got you got it you got it yeah yeah um because i'll probably bounce around a little bit i want to kind of touched on this here is the david worthy buzz dying down i feel like it's tough i feel like

yeah it's uh he's just such a class is is deep to you know teams that need receiver i think can maybe scoop that up in in round two and maybe he's part of that mix it's just like it's just such a like the speed guys just always go way earlier than we project them. And like, I wouldn't even like, I'm not even putting him in the same like group as the other receivers. Like if a team loves his speed, if there's no limit to how early he could go, honestly, I have. Yeah. Like right now, I don't think he's in the first, but I would not be shocked if he just goes early 20s.

Steelers Nation again. Neighbors wide receiver, is that dead? Yeah. I'm not sure it was ever alive personally, but I understood why people wanted to get down early because it was some decent odds. But BR, Scott, anything to add there? I think as big of a neighbors fan as I am, I greatly respect Steve Smith evaluating wide receivers.

When you look at his breakdown, he's got them as his number one. But I just think it's going to be Marvin Harrison Jr., whether it be four there to Arizona or five to the Chargers, I think he goes to one of those two teams seems like the most likely outcome. Connor, have you checked in with Steve around his wide receiver ranking process or his evaluation process at all? Yeah, I don't think Steve and I are on super good terms at the moment, but maybe I'll check out.

I'm going to the NFL draft, so maybe I'll run into him there and try and make amends. Or I'll get, you know, chased off again. We'll see. Thoughts on Fouaga under 13 and a half. It's a single out, basically, right? It is the Raiders, and it's a right tackle need for the Raiders. The Raiders, basically, it feels like.

There's obviously discussion, and Scott talked about at the top, their desire to land a quarterback, their desire to land Jane Daniels in particular. But corner is also a very prevalent need there, something on the outside, a perimeter corner. And there's obviously some discussions with Terry and Arnold there. But, you know, Scott, any thoughts on Fouag under 13 and a half, knowing that it's basically a single out? You've had a little bit of, you know, smoke early on connecting him to the Jets.

But at this point, there's too many other options that have been connected to the Jets for me to feel comfortable with it. So I agree with your sentiment that it's either Raiders or bust. I could see him going at 14 to the Saints, but I think the hype on him has kind of died down a little bit more through this process, whereas he's dropped a little bit. It's Fatano who has kind of risen. VR, the Canelan steam around first round back end here. Brugler's been massive in terms of pushing.

This is one of his guys you started to get some steam up is that first round hype dead or any thoughts on him being maybe a target for people to trade back into here from brian i mean yeah he was hyping him and i'm honestly like he didn't even put him in the first round in his mock that he had two days ago and i was like what the fuck like did you literally tweet this guy out as like your first round hot take and you didn't even put him in the first round of your mock i think he still has his final and i was super disappointed with uh brugler's mock not like he didn't do anything wrong like was fine um it was just like super chalky weren't really any nuggets in it

usually i think his final he gives ranges which i'm very looking i'm looking forward to big time um but yeah neil and hype feels like i guess it's died down but the jalen polk hype could never be higher and i will say this in relation to uh neil and while you know he's been ranked highly and on some other boards um you know, 32, you know, Brugler and some of these other guys. I think he had 16 top 30 visits. The Arif Hassan came out with his consensus big board, and when you look at it, he's got Nealon ranked 64. So, you know, while he may be high on some other boards

and he may be getting a lot of entrance to the top 30 visits, it's hard to slot him into the first round over some of these other guys. The one guy that kind of worries me a little bit is Chop Robinson. He's got a terrific first step. People like his explosion, but he doesn't have the production that you would expect for a guy with a lot of his hype. So you do have some teams that are a little bit polarizing on him as to how they view him.

Chop Robinson, not a dog. Put that in a graphic, Scott. You can get plus 380 on Fatinu's second offensive line on Fandle, which is interesting. Connor, you've kind of been on this. The Jets are not a – Brock Bowers has kind of been a layup in terms of what they would want to do there. You are a believer that that is not

the case based off some stuff that we've been hearing and that they are on a thought to know if they were to add an offensive lineman in terms of where they have the rest of these guys ranked any interest there in 380 on him to be the second offensive lineman just about him 10 exact i think that makes more sense because it's the only one that i've penciled in is the jets um so like again maybe he could go 11 could go go 12, 13, whatever, but he probably wouldn't be second offensive lineman then. So, I don't know. I just think 10 exact is better odds.

Because either the Jets jump and take a dunes or they're sitting and taking an offensive line, from my understanding. Yeah, he is the guy that if you go off big boards, like Brewer, Jeremiah, they have him ranked a lot higher in terms of like better than the general consensus. I think it's like they have him in the top 10 for big board and then the consensus is like 16, 17,

which is even like when you get that low, it's a lot of spots. Like six spots is not the same to six spots in like the 50s uh muse talking about daniel jones injury concerns as a reason why they would want to address the position for sure i get it uh it seems like a team that needs i mean look i really like mike clay uh you all the work that my clay does currently has the giants as the worst roster in the league um so it's a team that needs a lot of help now again if you don't have a quarterback that's obviously an issue as well

but you thought you did to the extent that you gave him an extension and then he got hurt uh but you really don't have a ton around him i'd love to you know again not a giants fan uh but you know give the kid a malik neighbors and let him see if he can cook for a year then you still got neighbors and you can figure out quarterback at another time so be interested to see what they do there especially having to trade up to get it done and a team that needs a lot of other stuff is is peculiar to me but um just to do with the podcast and i'm not drafting uh nfl quarterbacks uh thoughts on nicks to go before pennix uh that being available at plus win 85 scott what are your thoughts there look i i go before Pennix that being available at plus 185 Scott what are your thoughts there look I I think that Pennix is valued a little bit more excuse me I think that Knicks

is valued more across the league than what Pennix is but I think the teams that are in on Pennix are higher on Pennix I think it's interesting specifically how Washington hosted the quarterbacks and you know Knicks was not there but Pennix was so I think you's interesting specifically how Washington hosted the quarterbacks and, you know, Nix was not there, but Pennix was. So I think you can see that some teams may value him a little bit more. It's probably not a play that I would make, but I tend to think that, you know, Nix is going to end up coming away, you know, to Denver, whether that be via trade down or via future picks to get back up into a range to draft him um but specifically going head to head with that it isn't a bet that i'm specifically comfortable with making at that value i'm waiting for matt i'm waiting that's like the bets that's like the only market we really haven't they haven't unloaded yet is matchups saturday has been the day that they've unloaded the first like round of overrunners was two weeks ago, Saturday when I was in the prison of New York. And then they did it again last

Saturday. Um, so crossing my fingers tomorrow. All right. We will get to the last one. We'll go around. Uh, I guess this is a really good question. Spencer wants to know who are the big risers in late round one, maybe some first round bets. And we talked about how these to be a first round pick odds are make believe in terms of actual probability. Are they priced in a kind of an insane way, but is there anyone here VR that you think is of interest here,

catching your attention or good price or anything that you see trending mock wise? Only one guy you can answer here. There's only one answer. Jalen Polk is the only answer. Which I'm looking at his odds right now. He is plus three 30. So we could go,

he was 45 to one. These are not real odds. Even though draft CLV is the most satisfying thing ever, even though it is not real whatsoever. In terms of first round, I think Bullets, Kingsley. I mean, he's not fond. Plus 145, that's probably good still. I think Zach Frazier, maybe it's just hypnotized by Schrager.

But Frazier at 350 looks interesting. We've heard about the defensive tackles having value. A lot of the guys like the Brain Fisk. Who's the other? Like Jenkins. If one of those guys slips in, I wouldn't be shocked. Jeremiah was Jeremiah and McShay have been hyping Xavier Leggett over the last week.

Jeremiah has kind of been, he prefaced saying like, he doesn't think he goes first, but he thinks he kind of should over like the guy that might fall. I mean, this market has really been like beaten down. Dead. So yeah, I mean this market has really been like beaten down dead so yeah I mean depends how fun you want like I think I give you just through like all of the defensive tackles that are in like the 300 or

better you know like a round robin and you need to hit like two of the four, like Fisk, Michael Hall, Jenkins, Neyland. If you just need to hit two of them. Actually, just hit one, I guess, or two for a round robin could hit. But it's been beaten down. It's a tough question. Like, Adrian Cooper shouldn't be 220 anymore. I have him way better odds. Sainstrel.

Sainstrel's, I think, out of the box mike saint's drill like i think he's michigan corner good shock people um that i haven't heard he's eight to one he was 15 to one on tv context but someone used to rattle off a bunch of second round picks to me but exactly yeah to your point it's kind of a dead market here uh or anything to you just in closing uh you know a long shot sprinkle anything that you're like flirting with again i you know by saying it you're going to you know kill it so you're gonna have to like make a play on it but i don't i don't want to i don't want to cut con off he'll go but i think like the best play in the first round market is Parlaying a heavy favorite with a plus 200 or just a couple

heavy favorites to get it down to minus 110 is definitely the way to go instead of just throwing a bunch of bullets at a Jalen Polk at plus 330 who was plus 4,500 a week ago. I wouldn't do that. I'd rather Parlay like Guyton

Darius Kool-aid like or like guyton jordan morgan like something like kingsley something like that i think is the way to go yeah i like that um so long shots right now best long shots and nothing new the first round we're not gonna you know talk about that exactus three, top four just got posted on DraftKings. Top five, get crazy with it. Involve JJ, involve Marvin Erickson Jr. Going four or five, involve Drake or Jaden kind of in there. I mean, these are like 80 to 100 to one up to there if you put JJ at two.

If you put Drake at two, I mean, there's one that you floated that was like 25 to one uh caleb made jj mccarthy at three over daniels then daniels four uh marvin arson jr exactly that's 24 to one so again like i i don't think any of this stuff is out of out of the question so that's where i would go with it that exact i think is interesting and probably a good way to play some of the current just noise coming from the top to leverage, you know, a May to JJ three as a possibility. So we get better odds in landing those that way. So, all right, Scott, anything closing? Yeah. You know, one of the things we didn't really hit on, but, you know, during the show, I got a text basically saying, you know, don't rule out J. Daniels to Minnesota sitting at plus 1100 right now.

So might be worth taking a stab at or a little bit of sprinkle. There's smoke there and that and some other stuff here locally suggesting that it's a little bit more possible than what any of the anybody in the media is reporting so i think it's interesting to maybe go take a stab and check some some of the odds on it as it goes on today love it fade the mainstream media as vr said at the top so you know just stay with uh stay with the four for four stuff so uh subscribe to the channel before you take off we appreciate it hit the video with a thumbs up. Head over to 444.com slash plans. Use promo code VR. Get the betting subscription and get into Discord. Discord, you can get all of the plays that we'll have for draft season.

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