Move The Line - The ULTIMATE Week 2 NFL Betting Guide: Best Bets, Odds & Predictions | Jets, Jaguars & More!

Episode Date: September 13, 2023

Unlock the secrets to Week 2 NFL betting with our comprehensive guide. Dive deep into the best bets, latest odds, and expert predictions for games featuring teams like the Jets, Jaguars, and more. Whether you're a seasoned bettor or new to the game, our insights will give you the edge you need. Don't miss out on maximizing your returns this NFL season!0:00 Intro4:24 How to Approach Week 2 7:44 Packers vs. Falcons Best Bets13:43 Chargers vs. Titans Best Bets22:38 Ravens vs. Bengals Best Bets28:56 Chiefs vs. Jaguars Best Bets35:58 Dolphins vs. Patriots Best Bets44:30 More Week 2 Bets53:33 OutroSubscribe to 4for4's Betting Package 👉🏼  https://www.4for4.com/plansSign-up on FanDuel Today 👉🏼 https://www.4for4.com/go/fanduelFollow 4for4 on Twitter 👉🏼  https://twitter.com/4for4footballFollow 4for4 Bets on Twitter 👉🏼  https://twitter.com/4for4betsFollow Move the Line on Twitter 👉🏼  https://twitter.com/MoveTheLineNFLFollow Connor on Twitter 👉🏼  https://twitter.com/ConnorAllenNFLFollow Ryan on Twitter 👉🏼  https://twitter.com/RyNoonanFollow Sharp on Twitter 👉🏼  https://twitter.com/SharpClarkeNFLVisit our Website 👉🏼  https://www.4for4.com/Join our Discord 👉🏼  http://discord.gg/4for4Subscribe to our YouTube Channel 👉🏼  https://4for4.co/3OupraJ4for4 Betting Strategy Hub 👉🏼  https://4for4.co/3hm39cw4for4 Betting Picks 👉🏼  https://4for4.co/3LUp0EaNFL Betting Odds & Predictions 👉🏼 https://4for4.co/3nsW9QU

Hello and welcome to Moving the Line presented by FanDuel Sportsbook. I'm Ryan Noonan joined here as always by my friends Connor Allen, Sharp Clark, who gets the floor first. Fantastic week one. Clark, what's going on, buddy? Not much. I think it's important to enjoy the best weeks, but also maintain balance and recognize that it's a long season. It's a grind. And so I'm trying to really enjoy the moment, but also focus on next week and make sure the results keep coming. Very good measured promotional tweet in response to your week one results. But again, the hard work is it's good to see the hard work pay off. And again, like some of those lines you were able to take advantage of throughout the summer.

And luckily, some subscribers were able to take advantage as well. Connor Allen, how we doing, buddy? Pretty good. Ended up in the black in week one, which honestly I feel pretty good about after double dipping on the cold situation and just being like unbelievably wrong, like a hundred percent totally wrong. And I'll have a public apology on Friday's show about that. Cause I said that I would wear a clown suit if Anthony Richardson passed for 250 yards, did not get a 250 yards, but boy, was he close. I was sweating.

I was, you know you know coming looking on amazon for clown suits talking to my wife about makeup potentially uh to see what would work so that was a bullet there in the black can't complain too much yeah i mean the pace was such a factor there too right there's such play volume that's even though the efficiency was down you you know you were probably worried early when you saw they're just leaving 15 17 seconds on the play cock every every single snap so yeah no clown suit for for friday's prop drop show but again if you are not aware uh move line here on wednesdays we're going to be here every wednesday at 4 p.m eastern on the four for four bets youtube channel should be able to

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always interesting Clark. I'd love to get your thoughts here because I think handicapping week two is challenging, right? We've been like just chopping at the bit for meaningful football games for like eight months, spent all this time in the off season forecasting, projecting, talking about player performance, team level performance, coaching changes, what we expect to see different. And then we get 60 minutes of football. And it's really difficult to put that into context. What's actionable?

What's noise? Small sample variants. Is this a actual usage trend or change that we need to get ahead of and change what we thought? Or is it something that we should probably chalk up to one week of variants? I think it's just kind of a breeding zone for confirmation bias. How do you approach week two? Confirmation bias is a huge thing to look out for. It's tough. Week two is tough because there's no data-based system for betting that has enough data after one week to be successful in week two, right?

You have to use some form of priors, whether that's a subject of prior or priors from last season. But so much has changed that it's hard to put a lot of stock in that. And so trying to identify what are the situations that we should be reacting to and what are the situations we should not be reacting to, I think is the key to moving on to week two. The easiest example is Joe Burrow had a terrible game. The Bengals offense was absolutely terrible, but we've seen enough from the Bengals offense. And we know that they have

the same pieces in the same offensive line, that one outlier game and really awful conditions with burrow coming off an injury and not much practice time against a really tough defense doesn't concern me. Um, whereas a situation where there's some new pieces or some new parts and something changes, I'm a little bit more likely to, to make rapid adjustments on those teams. Connor, how do you discern that in week two, whether it's, you know, size totals player props, because it's just a lot of noise. Like you said, you know, we feel like we have some really strongly formed opinions based on all the work we do in the off season. Then we get 60 minutes of football and it's like, well, what do we do with this now? Yes. I think the Cincy example is a great one that Clark laid out there, but I think one that I want to touch on as well,

more of a newer situation that I had pretty strong priors on, or I guess not priors, but thoughts on would be the Indy situation. You know, I was very, very low on their offense coming in, but it was just like so clear right from the get-go. They were scheming a place for Anthony Richardson. They were getting guys wide open and Anthony Richardson was executing on top of that. So like there was very clear signals to me that like I needed to just change my opinion immediately and that maybe it's not gonna be like an elite offense or anything, but like from a prop standpoint and for sure from an offensive efficiency standpoint, they're going to be able to move the ball consistently. I almost equated kind of like what we saw from Brian Dable and the New York

Giants last year in terms of like making life easy on third downs, you know, basically squeezing every edge as much as possible. So even though Daniel Jones wasn't good last year, even though the receivers weren't awesome, they're still able to run like a relatively competent offense with those pieces just because of the scheming and coaching ability there. So I would say adjusting for your priors and those newer situations is

totally fine. But yeah, like if that Bengals game happened in like week six, no one would have been like batting an eye. Everyone would be like, ah, whatever happens. It's one game,

but it's because it's week one. Everyone's like freaking out. Like, Oh, well the borough, you know, is borough done is Bengal or the Bengals done like that. Just everyone needs to calm down. Like, oh, is Burrow done? Are the Bengals done? Like just everyone needs to calm down and then go from there.

49ers lost to the Bears in week one last season. I know that that was a quagmire of field conditions and lots of different stuff. But I think to summarize kind of what both guys said there, stay pliable in terms of new information. You want to have some conviction on the thoughts and takes that you formed on some of these teams coming into the season but be open to new information be open to new things that your eyes see the data tells us

and to be able to make informed decisions and i think that that's probably just good process as the season goes along anyway right week two week 16 um continued to to evolve not everything can be simply plugged in uh to spit out into uh inputs and plugged into a model and spit back out of results so be able to stay pliable with that information with that said let's jump into week two games we're going to talk about a handful of our favorites and then maybe some other random bets and things that we like here at the back end here. We're going to start in Atlanta. This is a Sharp Clark special.

We got Green Bay on the road in Atlanta. Let me see where our numbers are at currently price-wise. We have Green Bay, one and a half point favorites, minus 104 on FanDuel. Total here is at 40 and a half. Falcons, very popular sleeper team, buzzy NFC self-pick as the season got closer here. Clark, early adapter there for sure. I mean, I think you were firing Falcons bets to win the division over in like May when this market first opened. It also went on a limb in our divisional preview series, picking the Packers to be your NFC Super

Bowl club. Both teams got off to a good start and won the first week of the season. So we're making you pick between your children today. Clark, I'll let you get started with Packers-Falcons. Well, I was a little disappointed, and this is where I talk about confirmation bias. I was looking for the Atlanta Falcons offense to be really well-designed, creative, setting up easy throws for Desmond Ritter, and it just didn't look good. Now, the Panthers defense is very good. And it looked like, you know, playing with the lead with Bryce Young making mistakes, they didn't really have to do too much on offense. So some of

me is is reserving judgment a little bit for like, okay, let's see how this offense develops over the course of the year. But overall, I was very underwhelmed with what I saw from Atlanta. Offensively, Green Bay, I was a littlewhelmed with what I saw from Atlanta offensively. Green Bay, I was a little bit more impressed with. I thought Jordan Love was asked to do a bit more than what Desmond Ritter was asked to do, but there's a bunch of injuries in this game coming up. I would be hesitant to fire on Green Bay with Aaron Jones, David Bakhtiari, Quay Walker, and Christian Watson, all at least questionable if not out. I would be keeping an eye on that injury report

because Aaron Jones was a massive part of that Green Bay win last week. Without Aaron Jones, without Christian Watson, the weapons start going down and it's just a lot to ask of a young quarterback and Jordan Love is still developing. Atlanta's defense looked pretty good against Carolina. That was a bright spot for me.

And my biggest angle on the Falcons coming into the year was their schedule. And guess what? One of the toughest games on their schedule was the Jets. And now they don't have to face Aaron Rodgers. So this might not have been the easiest schedule in the history of the NFL. But as far as this week goes, you know, Atlanta healthy at home. If this spread creeps up to three, especially with those injuries, I'd be super interested. But I think right before the show, there might've been some interest on Atlanta. So it looks like this one's going to stay under a field goal, which is probably a stay away from me,

depending on the injuries. Probably driven by some of the late injury news here with Aaron Jones not practicing today. As you mentioned, you know, Christian Watson again, some injuries on the defensive side as well. But DRM, I imagine is what we see every Wednesday is probably just a veteran rest day. But again, situations to monitor for sure.

Yeah. I mean, Jordan love look good. I thought, I mean, they let him cook a little bit, 10.4 a dot. I thought his pocket presence was really good.

Chicago helps that. But a few times that they actually did get pressure on him. I think he navigated it well. The thought was encouraging to see. So yeah, I'm excited about that, especially again, without Christian Watson in that matchup as well.

Like you said, opposite for Desmond Ritter. That was not very impressive and almost Marcus Mariota-esque, which was not great to see. 3.2 ADOT, 22 dropbacks, 18 attempts. Not great. Connor, what are your thoughts here? Again, on paper, this looks like a great matchup for Atlanta who likes to run the ball. The Packers run defenses struggled quite a bit, so they were decent in week one.

Yeah, they played really well in week one, but I think that more so had to do with the Bears' lack of functioning than the Packers, you know, being really that successful on the defensive side here. And also when we consider Atlanta, like Atlanta, in my opinion, is like an elite running team. Like they're just incredibly, very, very good at what they do. And it's a lot different than what the bear, how the bears run the ball. So it's, I think just different in a sense. So I still expect them to have plenty of

success here on the ground. Um, in terms of the Falcons defense, though, one thing that I noted, obviously they looked really good. They were getting pressure to, you know, Bryce young, they were locking down the receivers, but I don't really want to double count that because I already anticipated the Panthers offense really struggling because of the offensive line because the receivers were dust and i think that atlanta probably took us took a step forward but we won't really know how big of a step forward that is until they get a little bit more i think competition under their belt so for me it's a little bit more of a wait and see now i'm not really sure that this is like a great matchup either like so you're talking about next year yeah yeah right exactly that may just be the

case like it's kind of like what we saw from the Eagles. Yeah, the Eagles' defense was number one in everything, but they played three teams last year and then let up 30 points. And then lo and behold, they let up 35 in the Super Bowl, 38 in the Super Bowl of the Chiefs. Shocker. But anyways, in this specific spot, it's kind of gross. I know the pace is not going to be there.

I know that I don't necessarily love to bet an over here, but like, I think both teams will have some success here offensively. And I think that there's the green Bay defense is not as good as they looked against Chicago. And then Atlanta's defense, or I think green Bay's offense can be as explosive enough to kind of like expose this Atlanta defense from time to time.

So it's a lean, you know, nothing that I'm like super excited about, but if I had to make a play on the game, it would be like an over on, I think we're seeing 40 and a half right now. 40 and a half. Yeah.

Yeah. 40 and a half on FanDuel is what I'm seeing. Yeah. It's pretty much across the board. So it might go down, honestly. I mean, I, it would not surprise me to continue to go down, but if you ever get to 39 and a half 39, I would definitely consider an over there for sure.

I think the Aaron Jones news is probably pretty crucial in my opinion opinion there clark what would you get i was gonna say i know some people like the live bet and this is the kind of game where i feel like the team that has the lead is probably in a good position to win like both both teams are probably going to be able to salt away a win um and both quarterbacks i think especially depending on what weapons are available for green bay might struggle in in sort of a know, we need points quickly kind of mode. Yeah, we are seeing some Falcons action now as we speak too. But that is a good point, kind of moving down to one in most spots. So, you know, injury news is going to be important.

We'll watch that one as it continues to develop. Some injury news in this next one too. Chargers are on the road in Tennessee. FanDuel has the Chargers minus three at minus one Oh five total here. 45 as well. I think the Chargers Dolphins game kind of as expected, maybe one of the better games to watch in week one, pretty highly efficient offensive football for the most part.

Chargers led the league with a 58.8% success rate in week one. Pretty highly efficient offensive football for the most part. Chargers led the league with a 58.8% success rate in week one. Probably not going to be able to do that here. A lot of that came on the ground. We know the Titans have an outstanding run defense. It was the strength coming into the season. They allowed the lowest success rate in week one. Some injuries here too. Looks like DeAndre Hopkins popped up, did not practice on Wednesday. Same with Austin Eckler. Brandon Staley said he was dealing with an ankle injury. He missed practice on Wednesday as well. Wednesday practices, more than anything, obviously,

taken with a grain of salt. Sometimes you just have some managed veteran rest days, especially if someone got dinged up a little bit. We'll have to watch this on Thursday or Friday as they come along. Clark, I'm really worried about Ryan Tannehill. I know you took a position early in the week on the Titans. Yeah, I would love to know, did you rewatch this game? Because Tannehill looked just absolutely disastrous to me.

Yeah, Tannehill was bad. I still like Titans plus three here. This is how bad they were. Two of 12 on third down with three interceptions, the Titans last week against the Saints. But here's the good news, all right? Now here's the Chargers defense last week. Miami gained 30 first downs in that game,

and they only got to third down nine times. They converted four of those nine. So they got 26 first downs before they even got to third down. That's really, really bad. Obviously, I was highly concerned about what I saw from the Chargers defense. And I think the Titans offense is the type of offense that that is like incrementally, you know, needs those increments to really take advantage and run the ball. Like for some reason, they didn't really run Derrick Henry much.

They weren't very successful on the ground. Everything was forced through the air and they don't have the weapons for that. But if they can run the ball against the Chargers defense, I know Miami did it through the air most of the day, but we saw all last year the Chargers struggle on the ground. And I think that takes so much pressure off. And Tannehill is so comfortable playing from play action. He's so comfortable with third and short that they can get into

if they have a successful run game or a successful short passing game. I think it's going to be a completely different situation for Tennessee. This was also sort of a preseason game or a successful short passing game. I think it's going to be a completely different situation for Tennessee. This was also sort of a, you know, preseason game for the Titans offense. We've seen this with so many quarterbacks where they don't play in the preseason at all. And then they stink it up in week one. And then by the end of the year, it's like, oh yeah, that was just an aberration.

You know, think about Aaron Rogers, you know, last year and the year before it happens. I, we have a whole career's worth of Tannehill being a good quarterback. I'm not ready to give up after one bad game against what is probably a decent New Orleans defense. The Chargers offense, I'm worried about Austin Eckler. I think Hopkins is probably just a rest day, but Eckler got his ankle rolled up on him. There's a potential for a high ankle sprain. He missed today.

I think the official reason he missed today was attending a funeral or something, but watching the practice reports on Thursday and Friday matters because the Chargers offense really needs Eckler. Another running back that really makes a difference. So if that's bad news, then I think Titans plus three is a great bet. Yeah. The Eckler news would be vital. I mean, he's a key part instead of like the checkdowns, it was him on the ground a lot last week too.

We didn't really see what we were maybe hoping for Connor from like his high powered, fast paced, uptempo offense from the Chargers, but they were still pretty good. And we saw some encouraging signs. Talk to me about the spot. Yeah. I think in Clark's write-up, he noted that a lot of that was on the ground. I mean, I think both teams had some of the best running games in the ground. I believe it was Ben Solak said that they had one of the best running games in like NFL history on the ground technically. And so, yeah, obviously that makes sense though. I think because Miami was daring them to run at times one and two, like the way that Vic Fangio played the defense was exactly how he said it was going to play. So that was the one thing we got right in last week's episode was

that they were going to try and keep the ball in front of them. And it was a lot of dinks and dunks and you know, like they did not skyrocket as we expected there. Now, I think this is an entirely different scenario here because we've seen Kellen Moore in the past, basically entirely scheme changes scheme to the opponents. Like we saw it in Dallas. Tampa, I think, is obviously the most easy one to know through the ball like 60 times against the Tampa Bay run defense. That was incredible. Now, again, I don't want to assume rational coaching, but that is absolutely what they have to do against Tennessee because the Tennessee run defense, awesome. I don't understand what New Orleans was doing, wasting time running the ball.

The secondary, I mean, I think that the pass rush looked a little bit better than I thought, but the secondary, I mean, Carr averaged nine yards per attempt, threw for over 300 yards. It wasn't consistent, but there were big plays frequently to Olave, to Michael Thomas, to Rash heat for sheet Shaheed, you know, like I don't, this Titans defense is kind of exactly what I thought it was. Now it depends on a coordinator basis, like a week to week basis, like who's going to actually play into that.

And I don't think the saints did it enough. Um, but I just don't know if they were well equipped enough on the offensive line compared to the chargers who I think match up maybe a little bit better in that sense. Now, not having Eckler obviously doesn't help, you know, like it kind of reduces one of the safety blankets there if they do try and go deep. So I'm cautiously optimistic on the charters being able to score, but I also think that the Titans are gonna be able to score as well. As you mentioned, the run defense, there is a big matchup and after, uh, defensively, the charters did such a great job scheming. It's Miami. They completely abandoned that. Um, you know, they're like press man, they played man still, but Miami kind of counteracted it by spreading everyone out

and just basically letting their guys win. And that obviously doesn't bode well for anyone on an island against Tyree Killer or Jalen Waddle. So I don't have much confidence in the Chargers kind of stopping this Titans running offense. And I think if you get that going a little bit more, Tandon will have a little bit more success in this one.

So I would say I like the Chargers team total at 23 and a half. I thought that was a pretty good look you're laying a little bit of juice on that on the over. Um, but I think the Tennessee can keep up with them. So I don't, not like super excited to lay minus three on the charters, even though I do think they have some offensive success here. Yeah.

I mean, so the, it was a little bit better. The dinky dunk was a little bit less, um, check down rate was like 11.6 last year. It was like nine and change. Um, a dot was up almost a full yard um so you know again small sample same thing i also don't want to overrate the sample of of one game against the chargers defense when like tyree kill and no version of anything that even resembles tyree kill is suiting up for the tennessee titans in this game to put pressure on that defense like he was able to do and And they did some really cool stuff with Tyreek Hill,

which was a lot of fun to watch. So that's kind of my concern. I don't want to overrate being down in the Chargers defense overall. Tannehill thing, again, like I don't want to like lean into, we talked about at the top was, you know, anchoring to a preseason like handicap, but in the Saints defense is good. And we know historically at home, you know,

Dennis Allen can cook some stuff up. Tannehill had the league's worst completion percentage over expectation, minus 16.1% in week one. We thought this by far was the consensus. Anyone who measures or really knows that you're like a name that you would value in terms of their thoughts around offensive line play had the Titans offensive line is the worst in the league. They held up pretty well in week one.

Only the Chiefs and Packers had a better time to pressure rate in week one. Tannehill still went down on nearly 30% of his pressures, which is among one of the worst in the league, right in line with his 2022 dip, which is part of my concern. He didn't look like a willing runner. He had opportunities to do so. We ran like twice for three yards and scrambles um that's not great um and as clark mentioned they failed to do

anything actually it was they could have just taken a knee on third down and been better off than what happened there uh two of 12 with three turnovers so um i want to see it a little bit from tannahill i think three three and a a half where Clark got it early is probably the right side. But again, I think the Eckler news makes a ton of difference here and want to wait and see here what happens with that. But yeah, I mean, the offensive line for the Chargers needs to play better too, because late in that game when they needed to protect and make some plays and get down and get in field goal range, the Dolphins pinned their ears back and got to Justin Herbert with no problem. And the Titans can do that if that puts them, you know, if they get in that situation. So without, without Eckler, we're in a world of hurt.

Yeah. Titans defense might, the defensive front in particular might be one of the best in the NFL. And if you look at how they played good teams in the past, last year they kept Kansas city to 17 points in regulation. They kept the Bengals to 20, the Chargers to 17, the Jaguars to 20. The year before, they held the Bengals to 19, the Chiefs to three. They've had several really good games against elite quarterbacks. Now, the exception is they allowed 31 and 38 points to

Buffalo. So I don't know if Josh Allen's mobility really messes with the way Titans play defense, but for the most part, they've really put the hampers on. I don't know what hampers even means, but they put the clamps on really good elite quarterbacks in the last couple of years. More memories are made when you're there for live NFL action. And when you need tickets, Ticketmaster's got you covered. As the official marketplace of the NFL,

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Also minus 105 on the total, which is 46 and a half i think pretty lackluster start for both clubs the bangles clearly worse um brown's defense i think deserves a lot of credit for that um clark i know you are concerned about this baltimore offense when we saw first here in that week one game even though it was a win there against the texans uh thoughts on baltimore cincinnati it's easy to point out teams that I'm not shifting dramatically on, which we talked about at the front, the Bengals. I'm actually shifting dramatically on the Ravens and I'm shifting down. I was very, very unimpressed with their offense against the Texans. The Texans defense, you know, while it may be slightly underrated, they were missing,

they started the game down one safety and then they lost their other starting safety in game. Despite that, the Ravens were really, really bad on offense. They had short fields and still only put up 25 points. Like the Texans could do nothing. They just kept getting the ball back. They lost JK Dobbins and now they've lost their two best offensive linemen in Linda bomb and Ronnie Stanley. They both might miss this upcoming game. This is a downhill, you know, slide for this offense and coming in. I was skeptical because I've never seen Lamar Jackson really be the kind of quarterback that can sit in the pocket and anticipate routes and

timing throws the way Joe Burrow does, for example. And that's what they asked him to do in this game against Houston. And what I saw was a quarterback that waited too long, too many late throws, too much hesitation. He got sacked on four out of his, I think, 26 dropbacks. That's a really bad number for a guy with Jackson's mobility. This to me is a big problem moving forward. And now they're going into Cincinnati to play a fired up defense coming off a big loss. This is not a situation that I'm excited to back the Ravens and long-term I'm concerned as well. Now that can change, right? I mean, this is a new offense. It might take time for Lamar Jackson to really implement the things that Todd Munkin's asking him to do. He's got some

new weapons and, and, you know, he might get Mark, Mark Andrews back, which would obviously help. But this is something that I've got to see it to believe it. And my initial pullback on this team is very dramatic, pulling them down on offense. So that's, that's my takeaway. I like the Bengals in this game to bounce back after a tough loss. Yeah, I think Stanley and Linderbaum, I think they haven't been officially ruled out, but it looks like they're going to be out this game and maybe more. So that's a big, big problem. Same thing, Marcus Williams missed a big chunk last year at safety and that's torn his pec.

That's a problem. J.K. Dobbins looked really good. He's done for the year again with an Achilles poor guy tried to hold in and leverage himself for a contract and then blows out his Achilles that's you hate to see that for the guy but uh yeah I mean look Burrow was pressured on nearly 30% of the drawbacks knocked down eight times most in the league not good he fits uh faced a blitz on almost 42% of the dropbacks too. It worked. This is another example of what Clark talked about earlier. This is a guy who needed the preseason in week one, did not have it, and it looked like he didn't have it. There was a lot of rust there.

Connor, I'll give you the floor here. Talk to me about the Ravens-Bengals. Yeah, I kind of agree with Clark. It was extremely underwhelming. But at the same time, I want to say that I think that there's a possibility that what we saw is not necessarily what we'll see the rest of the year. And my take on that is that Mark Andrews was not there. Who's been by far Lamar Jackson's favorite target. I mean, for his entire career, basically at this point,

and then you have a guy coming off a list, Frank and Rashad Bateman only played 57% of the snaps. And then you have Odell Beckham jr. Who hasn't played football in 400 days. And then you have a rookie and say flowers who obviously dominated and looked awesome. But I mean, I don't know if your entire offense can run through just a rookie and then two other guys who have question marks. So like, I think that there's room for potential optimism. So I understand why you downgraded them so heavily right away. But I think that we could see something different as soon as kind of all those pieces mesh a little bit better, maybe in a couple of weeks. And maybe that's not here. So that might not be relevant to today's handicap either. And in this point, like we mentioned, we're not overreacting to Cincinnati.

Personally, I'm kind of just staying away from this game because of that, because we just saw the down from Cincinnati. We just saw pretty underwhelming from Baltimore. I don't think that's going to get better right away. So for me, it's kind of a stay away because it seems like a pretty volatile scenario where maybe either one of those teams just snaps out of it and bounces right back and is right back themselves. And then we'll be wrong. I know you played, what was it? Cincinnati Moneyline, Clark? Is that what your lean was? So yeah, I mean, it makes sense to me, especially considering I think Baltimore is kind of maybe breakout, I would say is probably like two, three weeks away. Yeah, I lean that way too with what clark did um the baltimore injuries i think are problematic um

what's interesting and we'll see this later my takeaway from re-watching baltimore houston is i'm kind of excited about demico ryans in houston um i thought again with kind of a depleted unit there especially in the back half like jaylen Petrie is really good for them last year. He had a – like his lung was bleeding to go to the hospital. They were already playing with other backup safeties. I thought they played really well and did some interesting stuff and made things pretty challenging for Baltimore at times based off of what they were expecting.

But, yeah, I mean, 4.9 ADOT, not what we were expecting. Yeah, they used Zay Flowers a a ton but his a dot was like less than three yards just like debo samuel style like just scheming him like very short intermediate stuff and letting him create houston did them a huge blessing they missed 14 tackles uh which is like by far the most in the league so they benefited from that it's something that i wouldn't go too heavy. I want to stay away, but I, again, long-term bullish on the Bengals coming into the season. I thought just kind of a bad spot, bad weather.

I think the defense can still be a problem here for Baltimore while they figure some stuff out. But Mark Andrews makes a massive difference too. So I'll be on the sideline for the most part here, but definitely an important game. And definitely I think we'll go a long way in shaping the next couple of weeks handicaps for these couple of clubs because they're teams that we expected to be in or near the playoffs or near the top.

So they're going to be interesting to see. Yeah. We, we, we mentioned Brandon Williams, but Marlon Humphrey is also someone to watch on the injury report because if, if Burroughs receivers can get open right, right away, then that really changes the dynamic of the offense. Yep. Good point. Good point next uh another injuries uh well it's where we're at injuries need to monitor kansas kansas city is on the road in jacksonville uh let's see where we are at currently fanduel has uh kansas city three and a half point favorites i shopped this at around there's some

different prices um plus 100 on caesars, if you happen to like that side. 51.5 is the total on FanDuel. Some 51s out there as well. Good case for Travis Kelsey for MVP. Pretty much all that's been said about the Chiefs week one pass-catching performance has already been said. I think on top of that, the Lions did a pretty good job of defending the run there.

The Chiefs kind of, again, another thing that was like, Kadarius Toney bailed out Sky Moore, and Kadarius Toney and Sky Moore bailed out the run-blocking game and the running backs because the Lions really stuffed the run there as well. Went nearly as poorly as it possibly could for the Chiefs in a game without Travis Kelsey, without Chris Jones, and they still almost won the game. Didn't happen until really late in the game where Detroit took control there. And again,

like it's an incredible pick six that should never happen in a million years. That's just, there's so many different things here that could have gone significantly different. Chris Jones is back. Didn't really get paid, but got some incentives, I guess. And he's good to go. It looks like he'll be back here. Kelsey practicing trending in the right direction as well that matters these two clubs met twice last year clark uh once in november 27 17 chiefs and then of course the divisional round uh 27 20 where casey won there again jacksonville looked pretty good uh took advantage of maybe one of the worst defenses in the league talk to me about this spot the chiefs are a better team if chris jones and travis Travis Kelsey are there, obviously the games in Jacksonville, which matters a little bit to the number,

which is why it's so low. I think it got pushed to three and a half for this podcast kicked off. I, you know, Chris Jones matters a ton. I'm not as concerned about Travis Kelsey. I, it was great to have a positive news report on him playing this week and hopefully he can go if you're a chiefs backer, but I am less concerned about what the offense looks like without Travis Kelsey than I think most people. One of the things that led to such a bad performance last week was they anticipated

having Travis Kelsey until two days before kickoff. And so you talk about Andy Reid having all this time to prepare the game and the game plan, and then having to take Travis Kelsey, the centerpiece of the game plan, out of it and have two days to kind of wrestle together a seven wide receiver offensive game plan. I understand why they looked underwhelming. Whereas this week, knowing that Travis Kelsey may not go, I think they're going to be much more prepared and much more diverse game plan ready. And then the other thing is the drops, obviously, like some of those were tough catches. I'm not saying it was all like easy passes that would drop some of those were really tough but those come and go these receivers aren't trash they're they're not bad and patch ones will find them and continue to play at a high level so i'm

optimistic the chief's offense will bounce back regardless and i'm optimistic the chief's defense will feast against a jags offensive line missing cam robinson to suspension and now maybe brandon sheriff to injury so that's another you know it's Wednesday. So it's injury report day, right? Keep an eye on Scherf because if he's out, this Chiefs defensive line is going to have the advantage. And we saw what the Jags defense was unable to do against Anthony Richardson. It doesn't leave me with a lot of hope they'll be able to do much against Kansas City. And another team, another good team coming off a loss in week one that has Super Bowl aspirations is just not a game the Chiefs are going to take lightly. 10 days to prepare. Everything points Chiefs for me, which is why we saw the number tick up. I don't love it above three. I think there's too

many games where the Chiefs win by three, especially with an elite quarterback on the other side of the field. But I liked it three and under three before the Chris Jones news dropped. Yeah, I think Trevor Lawrence played terrific football, but really good. Got the ball up quick on targets and Connor, Calvin Ridley, everything that we thought maybe in more than probably one of the biggest, like just 30 minutes into week one.

And I'm like, why don't we bang Calvin Ridley in a dome against the league's worst, like past or back? I don't know. That secondary is terrible. Why were we not banging Calvin Ridley overs like past or like I don't know that secondary is terrible why were we not banging Calvin Ridley over us in week one I don't know why but yeah they looked really good offensively Travis Etienne played pretty well got involved in the passing game they're gonna have to lean pass heavy we've seen this in the two matchups last year they've

skewed very much pass heavy uh basically like 10 15 percent higher than their standard rate we're gonna see a lot of Trevor Lawrence a lot of pressure on him to get things done here. What are your thoughts on Chiefs, Jacks? Yeah, my initial notes had Calvin Ridley in there and overs. And I bet it on those prize pick slips or whatever, like all that junk. And I won one of them and I didn't even remember betting it because I was kicking myself for not just smashing all the overs.

But yeah, I think that's a massive note. But I think it is worth noting. I mean, gold secondary is trash. Like, let's be real. Like, they're not very good. So like, I mean, he was like dog walking them out there, but I mean, I don't know. I mean, maybe he'll do that all season,

but like those guys kind of suck. So like, I think in most scenarios, he'll probably be able to win. It just might be a little bit more difficult for him to win literally every single play that he was out there. So this one match was specifically, I think the Clark hit on most of the major points that I had, like don't overreact to the drops.

Like they could have easily won if that, if they'd caught like here, he's going to call it like one or two of those. Like they were also in very high leverage situations, like situations where they needed to catch the ball, like third down, you know, fourth down or like in the enemy territory.

Like those are the situations where they absolutely need to catch it. And they just like, we're let down basically. So I think the chiefs office will be totally fine. Even if Travis calls, he's like half health doesn't play. I think there'll be completely fine in this one. I would consider betting an over here. I mean, it's already a 51 and a half, but I have a lot of confidence in this Jags offense, kind of being able to hang with the chiefs here.

If the chiefs do put up a number on them, I guess my only worry would be like, if neither team, you know, kind of as like either team is like a rocky start here but like we could see fireworks in this game late like it could be reminiscent of like chiefs bucks in in the playoffs a couple years ago where they had like 20 points before and they combined like 28 in the last fourth quarter you know something like that so uh i'm confident in the over here potentially, but that would be my only look in this one. Yeah, that hook makes me nervous a little bit there in the total. But again, I think Clark makes a good point. Brandon Sheriff, I think matters.

And you want to see the injury news on Sheriff, the offensive line too. Because again, Chris Jones comes in and makes a pretty big impact. But yeah, going to be a fun one. Again, two teams we expect to be in the mixed in the playoffs. Again, I think we're going to see have a couple of these situations. Trevor Lawrence attempts looks very interesting.

The prop markets we talked earlier, Justin Herbert attempts looks interesting in that matchup as well. I think we see some some play volume, if nothing else in those games. Yeah, and remember last year. Oh, good.

Sorry, real quick. The Chiefs beat like blew them out in the regular season, and then they were winning by 10 late in a game that Mahomes missed time and couldn't even walk. They backdoored the 10-point spread or whatever it was. So unless you think that the gap has closed dramatically, I think this spreads a little low.

Maybe Calvin Ridley does account for that, but they also lost linemen, so you got to think about that. All right, next Sunday nighter. We have Miami and New England. I think it's important to note that New England is going to be wearing Pat the Patriot and the red jerseys here. So old school helmet, red jerseys. We're dialing it back to the 80s.

I don't know if, Clark, if you've captured that in the model. I think it is important. Miami, three-point favorites here in FanD minus 105 total 46 and a half we talked earlier about miami's offense firing on all cylinders against the chargers uh to a played especially the second half pretty spectacular football i talked earlier briefly mike daniel thought that a tremendous job at scheming Tyree kill open. Those little, like they put him not even like tight end or like at, it was almost like a half back at the line, just a little bit back. And they just kind of would like motion them out. They're like cheating.

It was almost like Canadian football league where they can get like a head start. Like you just, and they still try to press to a nonstop. They just had no chance. He was running free all over the place um Patriots had a game that I think will probably have a lot I think they played pretty well they were able to slow down a pretty good Philly uh offense mostly in the back of their defense played pretty good and there wasn't enough and uh I think that might be the case again here this week three is interesting I know we talked about this I love this in the preseason at two. Now we're out to three a little bit here.

Offensive line injuries as well become a problem here. Trent Brown starting left tackle, not a practice today. Right tackle, Riley Reif on IR just before the season started. Their two starting guards did not play week one. They look like they're maybe trending in the right direction here, but, man, this could be a massive issue here. If New England does not have the majority of their offensive linemen, Connor, I'll give you the floor for Dolphins Patriots.

Yeah, I think the Patriots, like you said, they looked good. They played well and they still lost. And the issue is with their schedule coming up, like it's just not going to be that easy. Now the Jets, you know, Aaron Rodgers getting hurt against like is a big deal. But even then, I think they probably split them. I think they probably go one and one. So we'll see.

I think that this game particularly. I just could not have been more impressed with the way the two have played last year. I mean, he literally, you know, was I think played the best game of his career. And then the play where he was pressured, stepped up and then launched the ball to Tyreek in between the safety in the corner was just, I mean, it can't get much better than that. So if he continues to improve, like I legitimately think that this offense is, this guy's the limit here. I've already mentioned on previous episodes, I think the New England's defense is a little bit overrated. They played Philly really well, especially down the stretch there. But I think this could be a spot here where, you know, Miami ends up taking advantage of this New England defense and in a couple ways here now that being

said New England did play them pretty well uh defensively last year I think it was like uh was it 20 and 23 points but some of those are 33 but two of those were defensive scores in the second game so it's not like their offense was just like absolutely lighting them up and that was what I mean you know we already had like had like the dolphins full stride offense basically at that point. So I don't know. I think in this spot here, I still like Miami at like less than a three, but at three, it becomes a little bit more difficult because I think they get the job done again. Um, but the Patriots offense to me showed a lot more than I would have anticipated. Kendrick Bourne, you know, I guess acting as their number one receiver, even without Devante Parker with a juju smith schuster in and out of the lineup like and still being productive i think

was pretty impressive so having a competent office coordinator is definitely good for them uh and maybe think that maybe they're not able to like stick in games with their offense but at least be able to keep a little bit closer and not get completely blown out every single game gently walking it back there in a spot where kendrick Board and Kayshaun Booty are your two leading wide receivers in terms of route participation, it's not a great sign. I don't think they want Mac Jones dropping back 58 times, especially in a spot against a team that can bring a lot of pressure. Though New England went toe-to-toe in terms of pressure rate.

They made it really hard on Jalen Hurts all day. So big task for Miami's offensive line. Taron Armstead, I think, is practicing today or maybe trending in the right direction. That'd be good news for Miami. Clark, Connor's walking back his New England stuff a little bit there. Very, very, very, very lightly. But I was so far down.

Like, I was like, so I was like worst team in the league deep end, you know? Okay, that's fair well clark also had some pretty strong takes around miami and his handicap preseason was um i would say somewhat you know anti-tua uh tune on i don't know if they've found you yet or it came yeah they're coming all right uh where are we at after one week um oh i just reran my model uh with the uniform update and I have one by nine. So those lows are so clean. Those uniforms are clean. I don't know why they went away from them. This is a, this is a massive game for Tua. Um, you know, yes, he had a massive game last week

and really jumped off the page, jumped off the film. This is a Patriots defense that has some film on him now, right? We've only seen Tua and Mike McDaniel play against the Patriots once, and that was in week one of last year when there was no film. And the Patriots actually did a very good job against him. The Dolphins scored 20 points, but one of those touchdowns was a fumble recovery touchdown. So 13 offensive points they put up last year. Now they're going into New England, you know, with the offense looking as good as it has ever looked. But if he can do it against a Bill Belichick defense that is ready for him, ready, you know, with the film ready and all that kind of stuff, that's really impressive to me. It's tough to go against Miami after they were

my highest graded offense of the entire week last week. And that means a lot to me. But it is a tough matchup. So I'm not I'm not slamming the bed on the Dolphins. One thing that is I found interesting looking back on this on these matchups is that Tua is actually 4-0 against the Patriots in his career, which was surprising to me, just considering especially that before Mike Medano came to town, the Dolphins weren't particularly good, especially on offense. So that's an interesting, could just be, you know, small sample size, variance, all kinds of stuff happening in those games.

It's not like the Patriots were great during those games either. But what I was really impressed with against the Eagles for the Patriots was the diversity of their offense. They really took the pressure off Mac Jones. I mean, he made some nice throws, but everything was, you know, structured. It reminded me of his rookie year where everything was easy. You know, single coverage opportunities were set up to where all he has to do is think, okay, this receiver is going to be coming back to the sideline, 10 yards downfield. I can anticipate it. And he has to anticipate it because he has no velocity on the ball, but he does anticipate it.

And he just, he throws it where the receiver is going to end up. And then the receiver runs there and the ball's there. If he can keep doing that, then I think the Patriots can have much more success than they had last year. So consider me to be a little more optimistic on the Patriots than I was coming in. Their schedule is still going to be a problem.

But I think in this matchup, I, this is an exciting one. I can't wait to watch it. I don't really have a strong play on this one. This is one where I'm waiting on both these teams to make adjustments and this game is going to be a huge data point for me. Yeah, I was encouraged for New England to play that well against the front of Philadelphia without their starting guards, without their starting right tackle. Again, some situations that I'm sure they would love to have back.

But again, they had a shot at the end, and we're still in the mix there. I think Christian Gonzalez played really well. Again, very unusual. Like New England, again, mapping out, projecting defensive snaps. New England is a nightmare because they are very matchup specific. The fact that they gave Christian Gonzalez 100% of his snaps in his first game as a rookie, it's very unusual for New England to do for really anyone. I think that adds some confidence in the new element of speed and playmaking that they

didn't have. Kyle Duggars, a guy that New England fans have really enjoyed, but consistently playing 65%, 70% of the snaps. Now, in every down player, those things I think are going to be beneficial to this defense and why I continue to be bullish on this defense. So Miami does have some of the tools and the tool shed here that no one else does. I'll be interested to see.

It's going to be a great game to watch for sure. So, yeah, if you find a two and a half, that makes some sense to me. As three, as of now, as Clark would say, probably lands there a fair amount of times in terms of distribution of scores. I would probably stay away and hold off on that. So how about some other stuff on the board? Anything else that you guys like? There is a square Moneyline parlay out here

that is just smacking you in the face. And I want you guys to poke a hole in this uh minus 106 on fan duel plus 101 on draft kings it is the niners it is the cowboy boys and it is the bills um they are a little bit above where you maybe want to get them into a long teaser because you're not going to be able to bring the bills down below the three. But man, basically even odds for Dallas Buffalo and San Francisco to win Connor. Where am I wrong here? That is a square parlay.

I know, but it looks pretty damn good. Well, I want to ask you guys how you guys feel about the bills because I mean, I know that the jets played them really well, but these are, these are your super bowl team. So like, how are you guys feeling after this week?

Because I don't know. It still didn't look pretty. Didn't look't look pretty yeah you want me to ask about the cowboys the cowboys are my my boys over there are looking great but uh no i don't know clark any thoughts on josh allen just one week just jets defense like i mean yeah i kind of yeah i feel fine i mean i i feel a little disappointed in his performance but i feel fine overall they're healthy you know they're still they're still gonna be good they just took some shots he didn't have And I feel a little disappointed in his performance, but I feel fine overall. They're healthy. They're still going to be good. He just took some shots he didn't have to take.

There were some layups, and he's forcing the ball down the field. They're moving the ball, and he's forcing it down into double cover. Just a few of the Wyoming Josh stuff that we saw occasionally last year that sometimes, I don't know, maybe just seems like a lack of focus occasionally. The double, you miss the snap, and then you don't tuck it properly, and then you fumble. Just little stuff like that you can't do, so he's got to tighten it up.

But I'm with Clark. I mean, the defense also played exceptionally well. They're healthy. They're going to figure that out. They're going to get Vaughn Miller back at some point. I feel pretty good about Buffalo. Like Diggs looked good. They could do some stuff. They didn't – I don't know. I feel pretty good about Buffalo. Diggs looked good. They could do some stuff.

I don't know. I like them still. I like them still. I just think the Jets are going to be one of the better defenses in the league too. Yeah. When you look at season long, it's like the Bengals on the road against Browns is going to be one of their toughest games of the year. The Bills on the road against the Jets on Monday night football on 9-11, that's going to be one of their toughest games. Even with Zach Wilson, the way the Jets defense played was just incredible. Losing on a punt return, things happen. When the game was on the line, the Bills needed a field goal, and Josh Allen willed his way down the field to get them within field goal range and send the game to overtime. Then in overtime, I don't know what they were

doing. Start with a false start. They get first, second and 15 on an incompletion. They run the ball for like three outlays. Those kinds of things are like, they don't worry me long-term. They worry me. I'm like, why did you do that? Like, that was a problem. I'm glad I didn't bet on the Bills that game because that would have been really frustrating

to watch. But the long-term, no. The Bengals, fine. Bills, fine. Chiefs, fine.term, no, the Bengals fine, Bill's fine. Chief's fine. Like they're, they're, they're the best. They're the cream of the crop and there'll be some challengers. There'll always be some challengers, but I feel fine about it. I'll I'll, I'll go back to your parlay then on that, on the bills. I feel like they, I agree with everything you guys are saying,

but I thought that the Raiders played a smidge better than I anticipated, at least offensively. I think Jimmy G ended up, you know, whatever tops in the league and EPA and CPOE composite or whatever. You're going to look at me with a straight face and tell me that the Raiders are going to Buffalo and win. No,

I can't. No shot. I mean, I mean, you told us poke holes. I mean, like, I guess that one's maybe the flimsiest.

I don't know. The jets Cowboys, maybe the jets shut down the Cowboys and get another like scrappy win. Like, I don't know. I can't pull too good of a hole you've got okay i'll give you all three right jimmy garoppolo was fantastic last week he was absolutely fantastic matthew stafford was even better matthew stafford was the best quarterback in the league last year or last week sorry uh his performance was incredible so you're gonna you're gonna need both those guys to not win and then the third team is a team that beat the best team in the NFL.

So yeah, those, you know, sure. Play your survivor parlay, but. Should we oppo parlay the other three cards? Yeah, all three. Yeah, three and oh baby. Now I'm pushing it in as I'm going to put it as an official play now because you guys are dragging it. I want it on the books as an official play. Typically i want it on the books uh as an official play

typically i wouldn't put something like that as an official play but now you guys are taking the opposite side actually telling me at the start of the show to not worry about one week of football and i'm getting sold a bill of goods that jimmy garoppolo and matthew stafford are the problems to these parlays and i'm just i'm not i'm not buying it so oh so good what else what else do you like clark anything else on the board that uh caught your eye or um we were talking about this before the show like i don't i don't lean into totals as much i don't have as much confidence because i don't have a model but i kind of like the under on thursday night football under 49 um the jalen hertz is not the best at dealing with quick pressure, even when the defense isn't that

great. We saw that last year when they played the Cardinals in a 20-17 game that Jalen Hurts just didn't look comfortable. I think the Vikings are going to pressure him and force him to make quick decisions, and that's going to be inconsistent. And then on the other side of the ball, the Vikings might be down their best two offensive linemen, and that's, you know, cluster injury on the offensive line is always an issue. That makes the injuries on the Eagles defense less concerning to me if i'm betting under we saw last year these

teams played under you know we saw last week both these teams played under i think this is a um an uglier game than people think especially on thursday night football in philadelphia yep some injuries to watch in that one we obviously get answers there sooner than later um connor anything on the board that's caught your eye giants team total over uh 22 and a half against the cardinals um i mean i know obviously they looked like shit last week but i think the cowboys are really good and they actually looked fine on their first drive until they like fumbled and then like basically it was like everything went wrong like everything that could have gone wrong went wrong for them you know it's just like little things here and there

random interceptions now i don't that being said i don't think they're going to be like good on the season and i think arizona at least looked feisty for i don't know half the game you know they look pretty good on on offense but again it's like you have to put all these things in context they looked okay against washington right like you know washington's offense and then like new york giants struggled mightily against dallas so it's like you combine those two there i think theants probably regress in a reasonable way here. Like I'm not expecting like a 40 point outing,

but I think, you know, 20 through 24 points seems to be a very reasonable outcome here. You want to hear my stat of the day, stat of the week? When I run my EPA numbers, I exclude garbage time by 4%. So anytime the game is outside of a 96% chance win, I exclude data.

The Giants offensive EPA per play was like negative.85 in that game. Oh. That's hard to do. I've never seen that. It was garbage time pretty fast. That was like what? Half the game?

But man, it was ugly. I played the over on the Niners team total 26 and a half uh like that quite a bit thank god matt stafford doesn't play defense otherwise i'd have to reconsider that being a good bet um considering he was the best player in the league last week but uh yeah i'm still just want to sell rams sell especially rams defense um you know again they i think they took advantage of uh injuries there on the seattle i mean that game was surprising me and then obviously the offensive lineman both going down charles cross and uh and abe lucas i think was a problem there and hey

stafford looked good um was decisive through the ball accurately down the field to some guys that we um were not expecting to get involved with Puka and Tutu. Good is not a good enough word for what Stafford did last week. He was excellent. He was excellent. Yeah, he was excellent. And we'll see. I'm willing to bank on that not being a continuation.

But again, hey, if he pushes the Niners to push their pace, I also thought Brock Purdy played really good football as well and kind of bullish on what they can do. pushes the Niners to push their pace. I also thought Brock Purdy played really good football as well. And kind of bullish on what they can do. So 26 and a half on the right side of some key numbers is a, is a line that I like to. So I did not like what I saw from Carolina, but I don't know that I really trust the saints on the road in the division there.

And I don't know why we get to Monday night football games this week, but that's the first of the two Monday night football games. Two and a half would interest me in the Saints. I'm not sure what Clark's numbers are, what your thoughts are on Saints Panthers, but I was not super impressed with Bryce Young in that first game and kind of thought we would have that situation considering the offensive weapons surrounding them,

but the offensive line played really poorly. The defense was a problem. They got in and made things hard for desmond ritter but i think the saints have a lot more weapons and dynamic passing game that can punish them for that any thoughts on saints panthers not really i think the number's about right jc horn's out too right they just announced that before the show yeah brian burns was a was a beast. That dude took advantage of his rest and came in all guns blazing and made life hell for Desmond Ritter.

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