Move The Line - Week 12 NFL Prop Bets

Episode Date: November 25, 2022

​​Week 12 NFL Prop Bets from Ryan Noonan, Connor Allen & Pat Mayo. The trio share their top Week 12 NFL player prop bets. Tail them as they hand out their top picks, highlight the best betting odds & share their expert predictions.Timestamps: 0:00 Intro8:15 Connor Prop Bet #1 10:11 Pat Prop Bet #1  13:32 Ryan Prop Bet #1 15:34 Connor Prop Bet #2 17:17 Pat Prop Bet #2 18:33 Ryan Prop Bet #221:52 Connor Prop Bet #3 23:45 Pat Prop Bet #326:40 Connor Prop Bet #429:58 Ryan Prop Bet #332:43 Pat Prop Bet #437:14 Ryan Prop Bet #444:06 Audience Q+A55:17 Outro Get 4for4's Betting Package for our Picks & Tools 👉🏼 https://www.4for4.com/plansFollow 4for4 on Twitter 👉🏼 https://twitter.com/4for4footballFollow 4for4 Betting on Twitter 👉🏼 https://twitter.com/4for4BetsFollow Move the Line on Twitter 👉🏼 https://twitter.com/MoveTheLineNFLFollow Connor on Twitter 👉🏼 https://twitter.com/ConnorAllenNFLFollow Ryan on Twitter 👉🏼 https://twitter.com/RyNoonanFollow Pat on Twitter 👉🏼 https://twitter.com/ThePMEVisit our Website 👉🏼 https://www.4for4.com/Join our Discord 👉🏼 http://discord.gg/4for4Subscribe to our YouTube Channel 👉🏼 https://www.youtube.com/4for4football4for4 Betting Strategy Hub 👉🏼 https://4for4.co/3hm39cw4for4 Prop Picks 👉🏼 https://4for4.co/3TWC40v4for4 Player Prop Tool 👉🏼 https://4for4.co/3pQ2tQ14for4 Player Prop Finder 👉🏼 https://4for4.co/3wxTcQc4for4 Player Prop Odds Comparison Tool 👉🏼 https://4for4.co/3AQ5TbK

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Busy prop day. Everything kind of getting dumped with, obviously, the books focusing a lot on the Thursday Thanksgiving slate slate now stuff is slowly rolling out for this weekend joining me here as always uh who would love to talk about this soccer game conor allen what's up yeah i thought it was i know it was zero zero i know everyone's like really mad about it and i get it because there's no goals obviously and the point of the game is to win and score goals but i thought that it was a really great result for the u.s, uh, I mean, we're plus 600 to win this game. So getting a tie is fantastic. You know, that's actually good. And, uh, also like, you know,

they had a couple of chances that they blew. And, uh, as Pat mentioned prior to the show, we're getting, uh, rinsed pretty thoroughly there for the first 15, 20 minutes. And we're, I thought they were going to be losing like three-0 and came back and did good work. I thought it was the most impressive I've seen U.S. soccer in a while. So I thought it was good. Even though it was a 0-0 tie, I get it. It was pretty boring. You have to remember, too, that from the England perspective,

and I felt like they didn't talk about this at all during the broadcast because maybe they didn't know or they're not paying attention. But a 0-0 tie is like an optimal result for England here. They're through unless they get shellacked by Wales. Yeah, it legit like didn't matter for them. They'll be through pretty much either way. And for the U.S. now in a great spot, obviously winning in against Iran, who just won 2-0 against Wales. So, yeah,land's in a good

spot us is in a good spot and uh the way they do the brackets you know they won't they won't play each other but uh you know encouraging for both sides i'd say yeah like just the draw gets them through so now it's just whoever wins between iran and the us i wouldn't overlook iran by the way no i think they're everyone is actually i think in the us overlooking them they're actually good like they had a really bad result against england but they have some good players so what's that going to open at um are we us going to be favorites there you think or yeah they'll be favored uh i mean just like like narrow though like not like not by a ton i mean it'll probably be i would guess in well in in a three-way market they'll technically it'll be plus money on each

side so but i i think that you should probably bet the plus money. That'll be my bet because, you know, just got to ride with America. I have zero analysis, just riding with America. I was talking to my friends at BetOnline today, the guy that runs the book, and they said that today's U.S. soccer game was the third most liability they've ever had on any game ever. And everyone bet on the U.S. money line. Wow. Americans are bad at betting on soccer as it

turns out right i mean we know nothing like even like i i say like somewhat in touch and i know very little you know and like it's i'm just i don't know i i thought about it i was like oh i think england's the right side here you know probably but uh i'm gonna bet in the u.s anyways because i don't want to root against them so yeah and that's i mean americans know the one thing they know about soccer is they like America, so they'll bet on them. It's funny, the three biggest ones, pieces of liability that they held,

because I don't know if they're technically an offshore, but I don't think they're legal in the United States. So their biggest liability ever was Trump 2020 to win. That lost. Conor McGregor to beat Floyd Mayweather. That lost. And now USA Soccer against England. That lost. Yeah, I can see that patriotism coming up conor mcgregor to beat floyd mayweather that lost and now usa soccer against england that lost

yeah i can see that you know patriotism coming up in the moments like this especially against england like you know you don't want to be you want to be holding that england ticket like at the end like pulling for england so i get in a in a once every four year type of event for america once every eight years right because we didn't make it like the last iteration of this tournament so i i get it i mean there's i was rooting for it i was rooting for england so that's me yeah what about canada you bet on canada though they looked good they actually looked really good i'm not gonna lie i thought they were solid you watch it or no i watched the entire game we're not betting on canada are you kidding me it's the first time they've been in the world cup since i was less than a year old. I told Pat it sounded like from their analysis that a 1-0 loss to one of the best teams was a small win.

But he told me it was a loser mentality. He's probably right, but I don't know. Maybe they're just Canadians are smarter than us and maybe less blindly patriotic. And that's probably shot as far as betting goes. We're all rooting for them to win. This is like a classic Canada thing. My first job at a broadcasting school, I was writing as an intern at Sportsnet Magazine,

which was like a national publication, and the Olympics were coming around. Canadians love the Olympics, and I think it was the Summer Olympics, which Canada's terrible at. And I wrote this entire piece. It was like a 5,000-word opinion essay about how Canadians have loser mentalities, and we need to stop celebrating people's personal best. We should celebrate winners.

And they got very upset. Yeah, how did that go? They did not like that. I was like, we need to be more like the U.S. You think the U.S. cares about someone who comes second in the 4x100? No, they want winners. They want people who want to win. They're like they're like dennis smith yeah i i can't get behind a small loss as a win because i mean yeah maybe in like the grand scheme

of like a 20 years building a program but like not in the world cup like you got to at least draw you gotta get something out of it you'll always have ben johnson is he uh do you still celebrate the ben johnson win no that that was taken away from him. We celebrate Donovan Bailey. He won the Atlanta gold and broke the 100-meter record. Yeah, sounds good. Small wins for Canada. I like it. Shift the mentality, especially in the summer games, Pat. I mean, you guys don't show up for that.

I didn't even know you guys went. Oh, yeah. You just mentioned two sprinters who broke the 100-meter dash record who were both Canadian. I'm just giving you shit. When was the last time the U.S. did that, by the way? Won the 100- dash record who were both Canadian. I'm just giving you shit. When was the last time the US did that, by the way? Won the 100 meter. No idea.

I think it went to Carl Lewis after, who was also on steroids, by the way. Absolutely. After they took away Ben Johnson's gold medal. Yes. Yeah. So 88. Congratulations.

Yeah. Hey, is that Barcelona? No, that was Barcelona was 92. Nah, whatever. No one tuned in. We're waiting for Barcelona was 92. No, whatever. No one tuned in. You can see we're waiting for props to drop. No one tuned in to listen to us talk about soccer or, you know, Olympic, past Olympics.

So we'll jump into it here. Obviously joining us as well, the man from the Mayo Media Network. Subscribe to all of Pat's stuff on YouTube, the Pat Mayo Experience in podcast form. It is Pat Mayo. All right, we're going to jump in. Reminder, two episodes of Move the Line each week. We've moved the game preview show to Wednesdays.

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It's already set there for you. $34 through the end of February. Well, let's get started for Week 12 props. LiveLines doing our best to give you everything that's available right now. Connor, get us started. Week 12. Yeah, this has been tough with just the Thanksgiving and then the openers coming in here.

So they've been bouncing around a bit, but I think that we've got some accurate ones here. My first one, Aaron Rodgers 228 and a half passing yards. Uh, I bet this against the Eagles every week, uh, the quarterback under, and it is, uh, perfect right now it's 10 and oh, uh, and the Eagles felt every quarterback under their passing prop nine of 10 quarterbacks under this specific number of, uh, two 28 and a half. So if we're looking at this matchup too, I think that the Packers probably try and run against the Eagles who are great in past events, third and pass EVO, a fifth and explosive pass rate allowed. Uh, and meanwhile, uh, really have struggled a

little bit since losing Jordan Davis, but did play well, uh, with Linval Joseph and Dominican Sue kind of sliding the lineup. But I don't think that's really going to stop the Packers. I went back and looked at the Titans who are extremely good run defense and, you know, middling pass defense. They came out in the first quarter, ran the ball seven times through the ball seven times. So like they were still essentially skewing run heavy, uh, in terms of the league and, you know, pretty much 50, 50 there. So I think that they try and skew run heavy. And then when they do throw the ball, they have trouble doing so. So I'm seeing two 28 and a half on, uh, you know, bet rivers bar stool, like can be shops. I'm seeing like8.5 on, you know, Bett Rivers, Barstool, like Canby Shops.

I'm seeing like 221, 222 at other places. I think that's probably fine still, but obviously if you can get 228.5, I like that a lot better. This is why getting in the chat makes a lot of sense because you would have got, what did you push this at? 232, yeah, 232. So that matters too.

And I think the handicap makes a ton of sense. Pat, any leans on Aaron Rodgers? Yeah,gers yeah i like oh boy i like that as well uh just packers under everything like the packers are terrible i love the eagles in this game too so maybe i i'm swayed by that yeah and just the play volume too for the uh the packers is always a little low for somebody like regardless of game script they tend to bleed the clock down to you. So play volume is on your side. And yeah, I like that cap quite a bit. How about you, Pat? How about number one for you?

I mean, there's a couple of ways I can attack this. But I'm going to go with Antonio Gibson over two and a half receptions. He's only been under this number once, I believe, since week three. So far this year, now his role has started to grow again. I think his rushing attempts prop is 12 and a half. I like the over of that. I like both of his yardage props. I like him to score in this game against the five. I may have to play like a five-way Antonio Gibson

same game parlay this week. It's just a fantastic spot for him against a really brutal run defense. And listen, I get that they've been winning. I actually like Atlanta in the game in terms of the four and a half or four and even potentially outright but i think it's going to be close which is going to lead to a lot of running and we've seen heineke you know ball out by his standards but he does throw four throws a game that should be intercepted and i think that ron rivera knows

that i think washington knows that and they're just going to lean on the run as much as possible and they don't throw to Brian Robinson. They only throw to Antonio Gibson. So two and a half seems like a very low bar here. So I will go over the two and a half receptions. Before we jump into that, can you just expand a little bit on the actual matchup? You're handicapped there liking the Falcons because I'd love to hear a little bit more there because I think it's a really bad matchup for them. I mean, it's gross. I don't have any conviction on the commanders, but I would lean commanders in that one. But I'd love to hear a little bit more there. Because I think it's a really bad matchup for them. I mean, it's gross.

I don't have any conviction on the Commanders, but I would lean Commanders in that one. But I would love to get your thoughts. Well, you're buying Washington at the highest point of the season, for one thing, in the markets. Atlanta has, what, the same record or a better record than Washington? Atlanta exclusively plays close games against this style of competition. And you also have that Heineke factor.

So Heineke has gotten away. I think his like expected interceptions based on the passes that he thrown the past three weeks, something like 2.7 per game. And I think he has one over that time and Atlanta all year long. I don't quite know how they're doing it. It's smoke and mirrors because they get no pass rush and their defense is pretty terrible.

They just come up with these gigantic defensive plays whether it was that sack against geno smith against seattle the pick six both against carolina and the rams earlier this season they just make big plays we've just seen it too many times and they're just going to find a way and like the biggest thing that people look at it's like oh my god chase young's probably going to be back washington's run defense is unstoppable but i kind of say it every week atlanta isn't a typical team that you can slow down with the run they have a four-headed rushing attack they'll run wishbone they'll have qb double reverse rpos and just the craziest stuff you've ever seen so they shrink the game down for one thing for the point spread

and you can't really game plan for their rushing attack it's just so unique versus every other team and like we've seen them put up really good numbers on the ground against what we've seen to be really good rush defenses so far this year like they kind of beat the crap out of new orleans on the ground they beat the crap out of san francisco on the ground they did it to carolina as well i mean i know carolina beat them the second time around they were still able to run the ball and now that cordero's, it just gives them that big explosive play threat as well. I just think that not that Washington is complete smoke and mirrors. I do think that their defense is good. Now they're definitely going to be able to get to the passer, but Atlanta plays such a unique style

that they're almost tailor-made unless they're playing an amazing offense to keep games close. It's hard to get to the passer when the passer doesn't pass. It's all bootlegs and play action stuff. So yeah. All right. I like it. My first one is Mark Andrews. I'm going back to here over 63 and a half receiving yards for Andrews. This is on FanDuel. Also out there pretty much across the board at 64 and a half. The Jags have struggled past defense this year, 31st and past the DVOA, also 31st against tight ends on the season. I think Andrews coming off the bye last week,

a little bit more to the usual role, caught six of eight passes, almost right on this number last week, 63 yards against Carolina, who's been really good at covering tight ends this season, especially when Jeremy Chin's in the lineup. So I just liked that the playing time, 97% route participation last week.

He's definitely, he's the primary option. I mean, they have really nothing else there. Everyone else kind of pops up, gets hurt. Isaiah likely is playing more, but it's just like these guys are both tight ends, but they're not your traditional tight ends. Like Andrews is more of just a prolific slot receiver with tight end eligibility. So playing time right back to where it was before. I like it quite a bit.

So our projections are a little light on this. I think yours probably are too, Pat, but I don't know. I may be going back just thinking that he's healthy, you know, rough outings leading into it with the injury is probably impacting a little bit of what a medium projection would say, but I would love to get your thoughts on Andrews. A medium projection has him at 58 yards, but I do like him a lot this way. I'm actually really bullish on the Ravens offense in general.

It seems like everyone, although everyone all week has appeared on the injury report to Marcus Robinson, Devin Duvernay, Mark Andrews was actually off Gus Edwards and Lamar Jackson are all going to be active for this game. So that's a big boom for that offense. You would have to think, I think Jacksonville is going to be able to move the ball relatively well against them, whether they can score or not.

Who knows? It's been Jacksonville's problem all year long, but yeah, it seems like an incredibly low total for a guy who gets this almost ever. What do you end up with the last week? I didn't see what the final numbers right at 63. He ended right at 63 and he like,

he did nothing in that game and had 63 yards. Right. Yeah. And chin's legit. I mean, chin played every snap. He's back healthy for them them like he was lined up almost just kind of chasing him around jacksonville doesn't have that kind of dude connor you're riding with me here right yeah no i'm into it love it great matchup just like i feel like especially too a lot of the

numbers we're getting were you know higher than this and that was with rashad bateman in the lineup like early in the season like we're getting like you know nearly 70 over under receiving yards for andrews with bateman now this competition is like dem in the season, like we're getting like, you know, nearly 70 over under receiving yards for Andrews with Bateman. Now it's competitions like the Marcus Robinson and, you know, Duvernay we're fine, but I would say that it's like step down into our competition and a great matchup. So sweet. Back to you, buddy. Number two. Yeah. I'm going to go with, it looks like the best number on this Keenan Allen over 70 receiving yards. I'm fine with this at this point. I just like our, our projections are not caught up, but Mike Williams now announced out playing against the Cardinals this week who have gotten

just generally shredded by the slot receivers had 94 yards and eight targets last week. Well, and that was only on 68% of the snaps. I anticipate it'll probably end up in that like 80% range as he becomes healthier. So, I mean, great matchup. I feel like he's going to be, uh, you know, the top target there by a lot. I would have loved to wait for receptions. Uh, like I feel like, uh, you know, maybe five and a half, six and a half would have been great. Probably not going to get a five and a half. So, I mean, I thought that over – we played it at 63.

I think we're seeing some 70s pop now. I'm more than five and 70. I think it will close at like 75. I told you that this morning. I have Keenan Allen's medium projection at 91 yards this week. Oh, boy. Okay. He looked good last week too.

Like, even downfield. Like, that late catch was obviously not a prototypical Keenan Allen catch too which I think is encouraging to see that when he needs to let it go a little bit too like he has it in him in the hammy that he could have you know turned it off instead of just those like low a dot you know turn in the zone and catch stuff so yeah I was encouraging I'm tailing this with Connor too so I like it um like to hear that Pat's in the 90s. So yeah, I agree with when Connor put this up, we talked about it too. And yeah, definitely think we're closing in the 70s, even if Mike Williams played. So now that he's out, Yahtzee. So all

right, Pat, back to you. All right. So my number two is going to be in the San Francisco and New Orleans games. Another game where I like the points, and I like New Orleans to probably backdoor this a little bit, but I'm going to stick to the ground. San Francisco has been one of the premier rush defenses in the league, and this number just seems so low. And I believe I'm going against my projections on this because, you know, sometimes I know better than the numbers, which is, you know, that never really happens.

But I have him over this by a yard. So if the medium projection is telling me this, that screams under to me, Alvin Camara under 49 and a half rushing yards. They get down by 14. They're going to run. No, that's not going to happen. So the receipt, I mean, you can probably go receiving over for him if you want it.

I feel more confident in the rushing under the issue is like Camara. We know can do this all in one run because we've seen that happen before it just we haven't seen it happen this year it feels like he's lost that at least one explosive step is about the worst matchup that he can have we know everyone's just still kind of banged up even on the offensive line for the saints so uh it's not listen unders hit more often they do overs and like every week that i come up with my own it's like oh i like that over and i like that over it's not listen unders hit more often they do overs and like every week that i come up with my own it's like oh i like that over and i like that over it's like what unders do i actually like this is an under i can get behind i like it um i'm gonna stay in the same game too and then connor

get your your thoughts on both of these um and i think they actually they correlate pretty well i'm gonna go under on jimmy garoppolo's passing attempts in this one. Posted it at 31 and a half this morning. I think we're still at 30 out there, 30 and a half out there. It's like minus 105, minus 102. Actually, points bet still has a 31 and a half. I think Garoppolo's actually going to be pretty good in this game. He actually shows some pretty significant man versus zone splits. And I think that makes a ton of sense when you think about Kyle Shanahan's ability to scheme receivers open.

And I actually think that efficiency is going to lead to quicker scores. It's going to put them in a lead in an advantageous game script even faster than normal. And then we see a lot of running plays from San Francisco in the second half. They're very comfortable to do that. But now they're a two-headed monster. We saw that last week. Garoppolo has only exceeded 30 twice this season. Those are both double-digit losses for the Niners, coming from behind, attempting to come from behind in Atlanta

and against Kansas City. So still anywhere at 30.5 or below. I like the under here. I think he's pretty efficient. Again, I think 21, 22 completions on maybe 28 attempts, I think is the right look for Garoppolo. So Connor, what are your thoughts on these unders in the San Fran Saints game?

No, I didn't think about the Kamara one is a great look too, especially with how he's been doing. I feel like, you know, recently, yeah. I mean, recently he's at what, 42, 26, 30. I mean, in three games and a lot of it has to do with like, if they're losing, he ends up in like the single digit carry range. And then if they're winning,

you know, he's ends up in like the low teens. And I think even if he ends up in the low teens, you know, I think that's still pretty comfortable there. And then for Noonan's, I don't know why, for some reason, like when I started, when I handicapped this game, I kind of thought that they would like last week, maybe go a little bit pass heavier to start rather than just like running it immediately.

And so that kind of worried me a little bit. But I think you're right from a numbers perspective that even if they do go pass heavy, they should have enough success right away. And I mean, relative to pass heavy, you know, not like not like Josh Allen and the Bills pass heavy, like, you know, like what we see last week where they're not just running Elijah Mitchell and Christian McCaffrey immediately up the gut there. So I think that it's a good look, though. Still at under 30.5 is probably the right lean. It feels like one of those ones that we're going to, like, early on, we're going to be like, oh, crap, Jimmy G's throwing it all over the yard. And then later we're just going to have to hold on for, you know,

hopefully that game plan to play itself out that way. So, yeah, I mean, unders are never an easy ride, but they're never dead until they're dead, right? So that's definitely, you know, the mentality that, you know, you've had a lot of times where, hey, it looks like we're trending poorly, but, like, you got to play the whole thing out. That happened on Thanksgiving. It was DJ Chark, three targets and 15 yards in the first drive,

or second drive, and the subs are all adding me, like, oh, we're dead, we're dead. And I'm like, an under is not dead until it's dead. And he did not get to, he caught one more pass the entire game for one yard. It was, the over-under was like 35 was like 35 so i mean i think we definitely got a little lucky there but you know hey an under is not dead till it's dead right yeah pat do you have any thoughts on jimmy g i do and my my next one actually correlates with jimmy g so you know i'll save it i suppose okay cool um reminder if you're hanging in the chat

jump in let us know any looks that you have for week 12 you want to get our thoughts on anything i'll do our best i know a lot of stuff is popping here even as we're going live so connor number three yeah my third one is something that i've not released officially yet but i do really like and will be releasing officially is miles sanders over and something we talked about kind of correlates a little bit with rogers you're able to find this at 66 rushing yards uh and i think the big deal here is that I think the Eagles kind of go back to their basics here and they go, they skew run heavy against the green Bay team that has been okay against the

past, but has been 29th and run D DBOA really struggled, you know, against opposing running games here. And if we look at when miles Sanders has struggled, it's been against Washington twice. He has 54 and 46 rushing yards, who is a top five run defense by,

you know, most metrics. And to Pat's point, I mean, the Eagles bring some level of versatility, but certainly not exactly what Atlanta runs there offensively. And then against Indianapolis, only 13 for 47. But some of his best outings, Detroit, 96 yards, Minnesota, 80 yards, Jacksonville, 134. And he's been pretty consistently over this number in like, you know,

average to plus matchups. Now you're getting a massive plus matchup here as seven point favorites. You know, I think you're, I, we're going to get like 15 carries for, you know, 80 plus yards here. We haven't met 84 rushing yards. So, uh, I, I feel pretty good about that one. Not something I've released yet. I was hoping to get maybe a little bit of a lower number, but I think 66 is great. Yeah. I like it. I know we just died short of the carries last week where we had that late Boston Scott, like three straight carries inside the, uh, the 20, which is a painful way to bleed out there, but, uh, I think still a good handicap. And I like your thoughts here on this one too. Um, I can give you for any thoughts and then you

can talk to me about the, uh, next one for you. I stay away from any Sanders over at all times because they are not afraid to just give it to someone else. That's not Miles Sanders. So some eventually has to be like efficient and get there himself. I know he's been doing it pretty well. Just they're not. He's not a player that I like to target.

I find him to up and down. Maybe if you can catch him on a low number, then yeah, then go smash that over. But generally speaking, I stay away. I'm going back to that San Francisco game and i couldn't believe this number when i saw it because you know maybe i'm the fish that looks at it and like okay uh george kittle under four and a four and a half receptions four and a half receptions for george kittle in a game that's supposed to be a blowout what are we doing here saints are awesome against that answer by far the best defensive dvoa team against the position so the efficiency definitely doesn't come through kittle here in the spot. I don't think so. Yeah.

What's the, what's the juice of that? I think it's minus one 30 right now. It was when I looked at it earlier, but they keep, let's see Kittle, Kittle 46. I like the under, I mean, you can just go under 46 and a half yards too at minus one 10. Yeah. I'm seeing the juiced up now. Oh yeah. It's minus one 65 now. Damn it. Why I should look at these on the show before I write this an hour ago.

It was minus one 30. Yeah. It's tough. That's just how the market is. All right. I'm going to switch to the under 45 and a half receiving yards on. Yeah. I think it's,

I think the handicap for it is, is spot on too um feels like too many i feel like last week was a combination of both wanting to get him active because he had been really quiet it was like a perfect pristine matchup against the cardinals and o'connor smashed that for our subscribers and then this week feels like it's another spot where it can come on the outside uh then they're gonna run you know go run heavy hopefully uh but yeah i like that uh i like that look quite a bit we're under in that game someone's gonna do something in that game it's gonna have to

be uh you know elijah mitchell and uh christian mccaffrey in the ground hopefully so i i think that just everyone in people's minds san francisco and listen like the the books are probably going to tell you very close to the same thing that the niners are the best team in the nfc but look at the record they don't play well every week it's true i mean they lost at atlanta who i know is better than we thought they were going to be coming in but that's not i don't think that's a anyone considers them a serious contender right maybe they backdoor a playoff spot which would be shocking but even that like you know that's a it's a bad loss for sure also lost you know at chicago in week one in that yeah soon i mean which almost doesn't count yeah i sure. Also lost, you know, at Chicago in week one in that. Yeah. I mean,

which I don't know. Yeah, I agree. But like, still like, you know, find a way to get it done. That was like pathetic.

But I also think in that game too, something that we hit like 10 minutes before kickoff, Elijah Mitchell's over under came into like 36 or something like 37 and a half rushing yards. And he had four in the first half and most people were sweating, you know, ends up being kind of like their back that when they they want to run the ball they go for it it was interesting because they didn't have kyle use checking a bunch in like the first quarter at all i don't think elijah

mitchell played a snap actually in the first quarter and then as soon as they wanted to like switch to that like you know power formation and use him a little bit more uh i mean they instantly started crushing so that's something to look out for as they mix in mcafree and and like that kind of mix between him and Mitchell, because it's like two very different approaches with, with how they run these guys. So yeah, my last one here, I don't have anything official, but I have two that I really like Jeff Wilson, potentially overs.

I haven't seen anything pop there. Should see all the work 13 point favorites against Houston is mastered out officially. I said, he's going to be it's a long uphill battle was the quote from uh McDaniel yeah because I saw four net is officially out there's a couple of a couple of these games that are just not offering props for like I want to do Tyree kill over receiving yards and I know where it's going to come in but it's just not available so shockingly today for the first time ever that we've seen a site that won't be named is first to market on a play points bets also there. So we're seeing 97 and a half points bets the lowest in the market at 95 and a half.

97 and a half. Wow. Over. What's your projection? I don't know. Doesn't matter. Totally fair. That's a fair handicap. 200 yards uh my my projection is actually 98 and a half but come on okay yeah no i get it i mean he's a beast

there's they have no i mean stingley's gonna be out as well again if you even think that that matters which i don't even think that that matters um but you know 95 and a half is the lowest number out there for him uh lower juice 97 and a half uh at the blue book uh we'll call it for uh for our friend pat's sake here um but yeah it looks like you know dk mgm caesars yet to get into the uh the action on miami and houston so yeah i think we were waiting for those some of those injuries to drop for some of that stuff. So maybe we see some stuff now with if I haven't seen officially for most. But what about a Rashad White number? I mean, Rashad White number is Rashad White's on the list, too, because it looked like they were shifting that way anyway. And a great, great matchup against Cleveland's league worth worse run defense.

So what do you think we're going see mid-60s uh i i mean that's a smash i think we might even see like 70 something 71 they know everyone loves rashad white i feel like you know yeah i mean let's not get crazy here most of the general public couldn't point to you who that is yeah that's that's fair i mean if we see 60 i'll be playing the over for sure anything in the 60s automatic i mean even mean, even low 70s, like you saw, I think they want to go a little bit run heavy too. Like they kind of, they talked about it before the Rams game. And then they said, they're like, oh, we're going to try and go run heavy.

They tried. They just like couldn't run. So that Brady was like, screw this. We're just going to pass every play. But then we saw the next week in Seattle, they're like, it was actually working. And so they kept running the ball. And now against the Browns.

I mean, if it doesn't work, something's seriously gone wrong but the defense is healthy you know great matchup uh rashad white should have essentially no competition like i i wouldn't say pencil in for 20 carries but pretty close there's a chance because geo is going to be activated for this game it looks like at least that he might weirdly lose some of his receiving game work which i don't think it's bad by any means but why if you're going to bring geo back and activate him like what else is he doing in this game yeah he's probably not siphoning off carries though or especially early downward no not at all no it'd be like kishan von i think yeah that's a good point um i accidentally threw it to connor before i gave mine so i'll do one give it a patent i'll take another one i have a couple that have moved but i think still playable i'll

talk about um another one where i think i am off the market as far as what your medium projections are going to be uh traylon burks i threw traylon burks to our subscribers at 36 and a half it is out to 40 and a half in some spots. It's even higher 43 in some others. I think if you look at like snaps, he's looks as like a part-time player. He's not even at 70% snaps, but I really don't give two licks. If he's out there blocking for Derrick Henry, I care about his activity in the passing game. And he's been a target hog. He had 38% targets per outrun in Week 11. That is the third time he's topped 30%. 25%, 22% is elite.

So getting him north of 30 in three or six starts this season is pretty terrific. Again, a low-volume passing offense, but the 38% last week was seven catches on eight targets, so 111 yards. And we saw some of what I think people thought we were going to see maybe coming out. And I think just long-term having a buying mentality on rookie receivers coming off of their buy or later in the season when they've shown you anything, right? I mean, I think just blindly chasing these guys is dumb, but when they've shown you that they have at least an inkling of skill, I think it makes sense to chase them a little bit. And again, DJ Reader's back for Cincinnati. I think

that, I mean, we know that Tennessee is still going to run the ball with Derrick Henry. I think they don't find a ton of success. Doesn't mean that Derrick Henry doesn't have a hundred yards here, but he probably does it on maybe less efficiency. And I think when they throw, they throw to Berks often. So 40 and a half is still a pretty light number, even though it's off of the mid-30s where he posted it. I think our projections are right around there. I've seen some others that are well short of that, but again, I just think that the usage is kind of going this way and really there's no one else there that scares me from a target standpoint.

So over on Trelon Burks, Pat, what are your thoughts there? I think he stinks, so I would take the under. Fair. I like your simple handicaps today like yeah there's certain guys that i just don't think are good and maybe i'm wrong but i want to be betting overs on guys that i think suck yeah it's fair hey it's why you blind chase uh tyreek you know north of north of 100 because he's good he's good that's working out well by the way sure is uh how about you last one or last group what are you considering well uh i was considering ken walker over 76 and a half rushing yards against this awful vegas team i don't there's a spread i don't understand so i mean vegas probably gonna win now but yeah vegas beats the crappy broncos in overtime and you know seattle had a bye week and then they had lost in munich to tampa and almost came

back and won that game now all of a sudden like they're in the same sphere give me a break like seattle's way better and they're just going to jam it down their throats the entire time so 76 and a half i really like but i think my fourth play is actually going to be terrence marshall under 37 and a half receiving yards and this is twofold uh he continues he's beat this number i think in four straight weeks which is great and everything is twofold uh he continues he's beat this number i think in four straight weeks which is great and everything but you also have i mean there's no guarantee that dj moore is going to be on patrick certain here it could be on terrence marshall probably not but it's not like the other side of the broncos past defense is bad by any means it's actually quite

good i think because like people have ptsd about baker mayfield we think that sam darnold is good he's not so i do think he's going to throw mind you so maybe like she smith over 11 and a half yards is maybe where you want to look in this game something like that but terrence marshall is like he's going to play but he was very close to not playing in this game with a shoulder injury like one hit and he just might be out so give me me the under. I get it. Yeah. Sam Darnold is still not good at football. I don't think anything changed here in the last year or so. Connor,

any thoughts on fading a game, which I think has probably low play volume, a bad matchup for Carolina passing game. I kind of like that. Yeah. He could see some certain from what I've noticed. It's like he shadows good receivers and then just like stays put generally when,

or just like, you know, plays wherever when it's like no one special. And I mean, I think like he shadows good receivers and then just like stays put generally when, or just like, you know, plays wherever when it's like no one's special. And I mean, I think DJ Moore is good, but I'm not sure he's special enough for anyone to shadow him, especially against Sam Darnold, who like, I just don't understand what the hype is all about. Like every time they change quarterbacks, they're like, Oh, you know,

this Baker's the worst bring in PJ Walker XFL stud, you know? And it's like, Oh, PJ stinks, you know, bring in Sam Darnold. He'll save us. You know, it's like, no, these guys all just suck. The system sucks. They're in a bad spot. Like, you know, it's just, I just don't get it. So yeah, blind under anything on the, honestly there, I think you'd be okay with, except for I'm not going to bet an under on she, she Smith there at 11 yards. I think the over there's a decent look, but I think you would even take DJ more under, to be honest too. Um. I just worry about them like scheming and touches sometimes. Like that's what I worry about is like,

sometimes I'm just being like, Oh, we're going to target this guy like 10 times. Yeah. But they don't really scheme him touches. It's just, he usually has the better matchup and he runs vertically. They scheme like Chanel touches.

Yeah. Because, you know, I do. I assume that like whoever the new offer is a McAdoo still that like he has a fantasy team and he really bought into the hype on Chanel. It's like, well, better use this guy. The internet tells me he's really good. He's he also sucks. The one I wanted to really look for,

I can't find a number on it is Michael Carter either over receptions or receiving yards. Yeah. Yeah. With Mike white back. I don't think we have anything at all from that game. What do you think we're going to see three and a half? Ah, yeah. I'd probably go over that i was hoping it'd be two and a half even with a little bit of juice i'd still like that uh i i also haven't seen bryce perkins rushing yards but our projections have him at 13 i watched him play last week he's gonna have like 80 rushing yards against the chiefs and do nothing but he i mean he can't do he can't do anything else like it was like

they're just like, he was rolling out, you know, like airmail and passes, you know, like, like every other play was just like a, a read option or like a zone read.

So yeah, he has to run. Otherwise they're, they're screwed. I'd play him up to like 35 and a half, I think. And I, but I think his number will be like 16 and a half.

One of the other ones you mentioned, Kenneth Walker, I was kind of waiting for a rushing and receiving one because his receiving work has been a massive upgrade there too. Yeah, but that was the first game that they were trailing in in ages. It's been two games in a row, yes, but that Tampa game I don't think is indicative whatsoever. You have them falling behind big in a game

against one of the best run defenses in the league. That is not what they're getting this week. Right. That's out there, 92.5 on Rivers. It's 96.5 everywhere else. Interesting. Yeah's out there. 92 and a half on rivers. It's 96 and a half everywhere else. Interesting. Yeah. I feel like they made a point of it though,

like two weeks ago and they're like, yeah, we want to get this guy more involved in the receiving game. And then they did. So I feel like it kind of helps us for a little bit, but to your point, like he probably won't have 40 receiving yards in this game. No.

And if you do think I like, I do that Seattle is likely going to be playing from ahead in this spot. Every time that they've won a game or been leading in the game, like he has no issues getting to his like 17 carries or whatever he needs. He doesn't even need that to get to this number, but that's where he's going to end up being. Yeah, that's a good point.

I think that's the longest too, that I always consider. Cause I think he just has that ability to break tackles and you know, hang a 20 yard or up. That's out there. I think it's just 15 and a half where he's typically like 17 and a half. So that's not a bad look too if you're looking to get on some Kenneth Walker stuff. Yeah, during their 1-2-4 game winning streak, he never had fewer than 18 carries in a game.

And it's funny because in those 18 carries, he had 51 yards. I have a few, a couple others that i have posted that have moved and i i think it's probably probably off them at the new number um i played as a pacheco over 57 and a half rushing yards uh up to 62 and a half which is a little steep um but 15 plus carries the last two weeks 63 73 of the running back touches now Now we know CEH is out. You know, again, that heavy workload was 82 yards and 107 yards. Now you're looking at a Chiefs team, 30-plus point team total here. Should absolutely decimate the Rams, who have absolutely no shot to –

I think their team total is like 12.5, which is – just don't see south of 14 very often in the NFL. And here we are. So I just feel like the floor for Pacheco, even if he's not efficient is really high. So yeah, it's up to 62 and a half. It looks like on DraftKings,

you know, projections aren't there, but I don't mind that. I prefer the 57 and a half. Same thing with DeAndre Hopkins play, played over six and a half receptions seven and a half plus money i still kind of like it like i probably wouldn't play it if i thought that he was just gonna perfectly land in the middle on seven i do think that if greg dorch is ruled out um he didn't practice the last two days uh looks like definitely a Romandre or a Rondell Moore is out.

I think we're going to have a limited Hollywood Brown here. Like I don't think that they massively impact Hopkins. I do think you probably see more Hopkins slot routes if those guys are out. And I think that just raises his floor here. Again, a lot of volume I expect in this game with Kyler back, you know, the air raid, you know, horizontal raid is back here in the spot. So I think just peppered with targets for deandre hopkins so love that seven and a half plus money i think is still

probably a good look i wouldn't have posted as a play but uh like that quite a bit i'm i'm telling connor i'm blind betting patrick mahomes over two and a half touchdown passes from here on out he gets it like 75 of the time i think even this spot where they can absolutely destroy the Rams, it probably happens with Mahomes. I don't care who's at receiver. That's still plus money. It's like plus 130. Love that.

That'll give you a couple of tackle looks. Absolutely love Rashad Evans. He's probably going to be eight and a half. Linebacker for the Falcons. Really, really good spot for Evans here. I know that they have a bad defense. Pat, you know, poke some holes there as far as their run defense. So look at some of the stuff with Evans this season, though.

He has been an absolute beast. Let me bring up his numbers here. Yeah, look, it's he's actually in the perfect position for Atlanta's defense because they're not good. Everyone just makes it to the second level. True. So he was sharing some work and now he is a 100% guy. At least nine in eight of the past nine. He's got 10-plus in five of six.

Opposing linebackers are averaging 23.4 tackles per game against Washington. It's the highest rate in the league. Absolutely love the spot for Evans. I'd be shocked if he wasn't posted at 8.5. Love that one. TJ Edwards, linebacker for the Eagles. He'll also be posted at 8.5.

I'm comfortable going over there as well. He got there for us last week. Basically, in every down roll, he's got 10 or more in six of 10 games a season for the past five. And another spot, too, against Green Bay, who is second in the league in tackles given up to opposing linebackers on the season. Who was it, by the way?

TJ Edwards for the Eagles. Yeah, I love the spot for him. He came in for us last week. I think got 10 against the Colts. And then in that same game, or the Colts, Zaire Franklin onay night against the steelers franklin will be at eight and a half as well comfortable here um again colts linebacker against the steelers he is every down roll actually second in the league in total tackles

with uh shackle entered out for the season he does not come off the field and has an elite tackle rate and uh linebackers against the the Steelers has been really opportunistic. We hit that last week with Logan Wilson, Jermaine Pratt as well, went way over his, his total. So those are three guys that are all probably going to be posted at eight and a half and I'm comfortable going over. This is basically the same as chasing elite wide receiver overs in the tackle market. So those are some of the best spots this week. I like those. We missed it by the hook last week, Noonan, my big parlay.

Oh, Richie Grant was our only tackle miss. Yeah, he missed on the hook. The subscribers I got, we're sweating this stuff now. I got guys messaging me like, did you see that tackle? You know, he should have been, yes, thank you. Plus favorable scoring matchup for Indy on Franklin. See, these guys, we got them going. People understand there's some score advantage here, tackles per opportunity.

The Colts give out assists at a really high rate. I think like 56 and a half assists given out per game on the season where the league average is 42.8. So sizable advantage on assists given out. So we don't care if they're solo or assist in this game. We just care about a total combined tackles. So yeah, we lost the Richie Grant was our only L last week.

So sorry, Pat, we'll get it back this week. Happens. I bet them all individually too. So I won money. Good. All right.

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mall here in the chicagoland area uh woodfield mall i think it used to be like the largest one of the largest in the country um all of the managers had to not only take people from the store but they them themselves had to work black friday shifts at woodfield uh it was horrible um i'd get there like at like 11 p.m and work from like 11 p.m to 6 a.m where like you'd walk in and you thought you walked in to like a justin bieber concert because there's nothing but like 16 year old girls hanging out at the mall and they'd be open 24 hours. It was a disaster. So I'm very thankful to the folks at four for four, for allowing me to sit here in my basement and talk about tackle props instead of serving caramel macchiatos and

frappuccinos to the youth of America. So good times um all right so hang out let us know what thoughts you have here um we'll jump in it's like clint wants to know about uh not a lot so let's go guys um train the berks over three and a half receptions pat thinks he sucks so pat's under on three and a half receptions i'm guessing what i what i think is interesting uh is that the titans passing game has actually looked pretty good the last two weeks since tano's come back um i also agree that i think trailing berks kind of sucks but and i but i've been anti trailing berks the entire off season and early season and i think he has flashed enough where he might not like be complete garbage so like i'm not betting the under but uh i get the over because I think it's a numbers play,

but I do think that the Titans passing game has been really surprisingly good. You know, whatever, seven, fifth in EPA, seventh in explosive password or something like that the last two weeks. So I just got an email from my golf,

my golf club that, that they're offering like different packages this year. And if you buy a couple membership for you and your partner it is 700 less than buying two individual ones do you think it would be unethical of me to say that castaner in a relationship you are in a relationship there we go i mean it's very relationships very big especially nowadays like you cannot do anything what are are they going to say to me? No, you cannot.

Imagine them calling you out. No. Yeah. No. Yeah. I'm going to save myself 700 bucks. Oh, I got more money to bet this weekend. Yeah.

He's a partner in a lot of senses, right? I mean, it's a relationship for sure. Are you beating him on the regular now? Oh yeah. I killed him all year. I think he, I think our record this year was 23 and one for me oh gosh and the the one was i broke two clubs i was very mad snapping clubs over my knee it was it was by far the worst i played all year like an important club mid-round or what is it no i actually bought i buy i have a crappy wedge

in my bag because i know that i can get very furious and want to smash clubs i know that one's like 10 bucks like i go to the the shitty driving range by my house and like buy a few wedges i just have it my i spent like 50 bucks at the beginning of the year buy 10 wedges or buy five wedges i put one in my bag until I get so mad that I pulled that one out and snap it and throw in the woods. I replace it at the end of the round. Oh, that's good.

Just to have one there to break. I never hit the club. Okay. Yeah. So you don't miss it. I desperately need Connor to update his driver. He's using. Oh man.

We're talking about like, like late nineties stuff. Like we're talking about like late 90s stuff. We're talking like actual woods. He has like a hybrid that he seems to hit decent. It has the smallest head and face. I have no idea how he makes contact with the club even. He seems to actually hit it pretty decent. But we're talking like antique.

These things need to be sent to Florida and put into the Golf Hall of Fame. For some reason reason he's still rolling them out and dusting them off occasionally. So I considered, I didn't want to do it cause I really like his wife and I didn't want to, um, get him a driver for his wedding gift. Um, but I really considered it just being taken the L apologizing profusely to his wife and saying, I couldn't think of a good wedding gift other than Connor needs this. You guys will get all the other stuff from other people. Connor needs to continue to golf more, but we haven't got there.

So hopefully a profitable football season for Connor can turn into, you know, maybe even a pre-owned, you know, Callaway Epic or, you know, a nice paying or something, just something that's not just absolute dust. Yeah. I'll buy something. Connor's confidence when he talks about these props i think he can afford the driver yeah yeah yeah i think we'll be we'll be good uh i i just like i got like too cheap towards the end of it because i was playing so bad by the end of my little like golf uh tenure this season and then now we're in football season so whenever it starts getting a little warm here again in chicago i'll

buy something new and make the investment because you're right it's like i mean i have one of those like little sleeves it's like a fur one that's like from the pj tour in like 1990 or something like that i don't even know it's like it's like my dad's old clubs you know yeah i i bought a three wooden a hybrid this year and i bought my driver my new set of clubs like a year and a half two two years ago now. And the drivers, they go pretty quickly. I still like mine, but Cuss has been using the same one for 10 years now, and you can hear that it's dead. But he went out and he bought a new driver. He hit it once, and he instantly returned it after playing around with it to get an even more expensive driver,

which now he bought the Sim 2, and now he doesn't even use it because he hits his other one better, according to him. Then he bought a 2-wood, which is like a mini driver it's it's so ridiculous yeah the new driver technology if you don't have something somewhat fresh in your bag from the last five years or so i think you are definitely leaving a little bit of distance out there for sure so uh we'll help connor upgrade um yeah getting better getting better so it's all right um let's see yeah fry muth uh overs on monday night football i actually have fry muth on my list i didn't mention fry muth the other one that um connor mentioned a couple with rashad white jeff wilson um david montgomery carries over possibly in the spots could be a good look we don't have to worry

about justin fields uh but i like fryer muth i did not see the number uh but it's probably out since we started here connor have you seen 43 and a half it was pretty low again um i mean he's just been in non-tough matchups he's been like the absolute target hog for pittsburgh and then last two weeks i believe he's been playing way more in the slot uh without chase claypool uh like like elite slot rates for tight end. So yeah, I think you'd probably hit the over there pretty comfortably. How was the, how was the matchup?

That's the one thing I like didn't have time to look into. Like, is it, does it matter? Like, is that plus like really bad? I don't know off the top of my head. Yeah.

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it's pretty safe he almost got there in the first half for us last week so i have no problem going back to uh to the well there even though you know the kenny pickett stuff is not great um let me see what is his targets target share routes run or anything last week i like the michael carter stuff too definitely have that written down um yeah i mean this is elite stuff 83 route participation 31% target per outrun um I mean that's like that's Tyreek Hill type of uh target per outrun stuff so yeah Friar Mooth 43 and a half is uh is a good look um same game Josh wants to know about Michael Pittman under 20 and a half for a longest reception I mean the Steelers are being given up big, though. 20.5 is decent, but I don't know what your guys' thoughts initial off the top with Pittman. Yeah.

It doesn't move the needle for me either way. Those are not the sort of – unless it really jumps out to me as, oh, I know this guy's ADOT is so low or this one is so high. Just flip a coin at that point. I don't feel like we have an edge on that either way i agree with that all right good stuff wrap us up quiet chat today which is you know again makes sense people are probably out um you know smelling touching grass smelling the roses living life a little bit uh anything else

any other looks you guys want to highlight that that haven't popped or anything that's popped since we've been live? Something just popped up on my screen right now. At Graham DeLette on Twitter, he is making bacon-wrapped Oreos. I mean, they don't visually look appealing, but I can really get behind that. Bacon-wrapped? I love Oreos. They're actually, I think, horribly underrated. I love cookies and cream ice cream.

Did you know that there's a panda bear on every Oreo? I did not know that. That's what's on the top. Really? Yeah. Is it hidden or that's actually the design? That's actually the design. You just can't see it because it's so black.

But if you pour milk onto the top of it, you'll see the outline of the koala or the panda. It's koala or panda, one of the two. Well, now I'm about to go try this out because I have no idea. What animal is on an Oreo? I had a delicious Oreo milkshake from this place that my wife and I found that is just local homemade ice cream.

It's fantastic. They are closing for the season. I went there last night and they were open fucking ice cream well it's just good stuff you know i don't want to go sure it's great so i got my my shake it's riding shotgun um and as i pull in like around to get into my driveway and it goes down the side inside by like the where you like plug in the seat belt um like in the center console like so not just spilled but spilled in like the absolute worst possible spot that you could spill because it's impossible to clean up so it was like i had this much milkshake left um again last one

of the season because the place literally closed the doors behind me for the year and had to clean it out of my car. And it was a brutal experience. So I have a little Oreo milkshake PTSD. At that point, I'm probably just chucking the rest out the window, slamming my fists through something and then piss because I'm jamming my hand in between the seat trying to clean that shit out for 30 minutes. And then it was like cold. You guys need to renegotiate your contracts. I didn't just buy a new car yeah i thought about it too that's the thing that i actually really legit worried about is that when the weather turns and gets really nice i thought i did a

good job cleaning it but like on a nice warm day you're gonna find out if you really clean that milkshake out of your car or not right now we're're good. It just is. If it's still there, it's melted and it's probably edible. But yeah, for now, I don't know, but we'll find out maybe come, you know,

March or April. So that's my cookies and cream Oreos story for you guys to wrap it up. So Pat, where can everyone find your stuff? Mayo Media Network, the Pat Mayo Experience audio podcast. If you enjoy yourself, you know, not watching the audio at least.

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