MTracey podcast - Time to dissect yet another Trump/Epstein "bombshell"

Episode Date: November 13, 2025

This is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit www.mtracey.netI was called forth from my slumbers (and detour into the NYC mayoral race) to comment on the latest Trump/Epstein silliness.

I know what you're going to say. What am I going to say? You're going to talk about Tara Paul Mary. Well, yeah, I don't know why I logged in for that stupid thing. I don't know. That was going to, like I said, hey, Michael. I mean, I just interrupted her while she was, uh, while she was logging God. Well, that's a, that's a, I mean, that's the first time I saw you.

And I said, hey, and I said, hey, that's Michael. I know, but I was, I was texting you while it was going on. I interrupted, I interrupted my whole day for that. Did you really? You should have been writing in the chats. Were you writing stuff? No, I don't know. I just, I thought I would text you while it was going on.

And then, well, you could have nothing happened. So then I put in a comment and then it was, I wasn't texting. I was, I was on a live stream. Oh.

Anyways. She was nice. Yeah. Oh, she's so wonderful. She's going, she goes around slandering me. She claims that I'm being illicitly paid by,

who knows, Alain Dershowitz. Uh-huh. And that's why she can't debate me. I saw her at the Substack, New York City opening party thing at their new office. And I was going to go talk to her, but then she runs out, I think, because she saw that I was there. She can't bear her to be in my presence. Well, maybe you make her uncomfortable.

Good. You know, I heard, I, somebody told me that she's actually from Wayne, New Jersey, which is right where I grew up. So, like, it's an extra. Yeah, she went to DePaul. Okay, she went to the Paul Catholic High School. She's one year older than me, and she went from Wayne, New Jersey. If I make her, I'm from like an adjoining town, essentially, if I make her that uncomfortable,

but she really needs to get her out together. Hometown, hometown betrayal. Is she, Jen, Paul Mary's daughter? I don't believe so. Hmm, okay. But she's an Italian from Essex County, New Jersey. Come on, Tara. Mm-hmm.

Yeah, I don't know. Maybe you would have to go back. I just wish you had to congratulate her. She got such a touching shoutout in the new bestselling memoir by Virginia Roberts Goufrey. The number one bestselling book in both the United States and the United Kingdom, at least as of last week. Amazing. Amazing. And no one will give you a book deal to write the rebuttal.

I haven't pursued it that vigorously, I have to say. But, yeah, that one guy I agree that. How did she get a shout out? Who shouted her out? Virginia from beyond the grave. Or Amy Wallace, the ghostwriter, yeah. Wait, was Tara, was Tara Paul Merritt? Was she the one?

Who was the one who went around with them and found that pilot? Was that Tara? That was Tara. Oh, wow. Interesting. And they go meet, they go to Florida and meet with the former houseman of Virginia, of Epstein, right? And then, strangely, while they're sitting in the guy's living room,

which the guy never should have let them into in a million years, if he had any legal sense, but he did. All of a sudden, while they're sitting there, this houseman, former houseman of Epstein, gets a phone call, and it's the FBI. Wow. Tara and Virginia are sitting there, speaking to this guy,

and just by amazing coincidence, the FBI calls at the same time. Wait, the show, and the show treats us as a coincidence? It's treated as this, this amazing mystery that Tara is going to get to the bottom of, I don't know what happened over five years ago. She still never got into the bottom of it.

So I would really like to know if she and Virginia were collaborating anyway with the FBI. Yeah, seems like they probably were. I don't know. I was going to ask Tara when she came on my substack live stream, but then she left in a hissy fit. I don't know. She comes up to me at the Epstein press conference that you were at, right in D.C. in September. Yeah. Who are you with?

Who are you with? Why are you harassing the victims? I'm like, first of all, Tara, I guess I'm with, quote, unquote, substack, just like you are. I don't know if Tara was doing that. I don't know what Tara was there. Okay, I thought you just had, wow, she's involved in this up and down. Wow, I didn't, I didn't know all this. Anyways, she hadn't.

Her whole identity. I don't know why she bothered to talk to you about, um, Maga stuff. Like, who, I thought she, I, so I know all these stories. I know somebody yelled at you. I know somebody went to that guy's house. I didn't know this, they were all talking. I forget who that's all Tara. Tara Palmerry, one of the great journalists of our age.

Well, you know, she invited me on to talk about something else. Yeah, I know you probably fell in love with her or something. Who wouldn't? I mean, she's very charming. Did your wife watch the stream yesterday? No. What kind of question is that? I don't know.

Okay, anyway, no, because, I mean, I had a great day plan yesterday. I went and talked to the Rebbe of Far Rockaway Queens. I went to his study. It was a very interesting discussion. I wrote about for Unherb. It's going up tomorrow. I'm sorry. I did interject on your behalf and said,

there's Michael. I can't just hijack her show and say he needs to confront you about it. I'm not sure. Hijacked that woman's show. She deserves it. Okay. Anyway, okay,

so I woke up this morning and all of a sudden, you know, I'm getting ready to finish my Rebby thing. And I'm inundated an emergency request. emergency request on my e-bell box. First thing in the morning, Pierce Morgan. Can you immediately come on and talk about these new Epstein Trump emails?

Like, oh my God, what happened? So I'm like a disoriented haze. I'm barely woken up. I'm like looking at these stupid emails. I'm like, wait, what? This is it? This is what's like leading the New York Times this morning? Because they gave it to the New York Times first, right?

I actually met that reporter who wrote it, who wrote the Epstein story today last week because he was covering New York City mayoral stuff. And if you look at the headline, right, the headline of the New York Times thing that was like the big bombshell, the big spark that looked diffuse. What is the headline say in the New York Times? Right now it says Epstein files live updates. Trump named an emails released by Democrats and Republicans. No, but this morning was Epstein alleged in emails that Trump knew of his conduct.

Okay. So what conduct did Epstein allege in the emails that Trump knew of? There's no conduct alleged. That's just made up. That's just an inference that people want to make based on these scattershot snippets of information that they're coming out piecemeal through these emails that the Democrats on the House Oversight Committee strategically sort of disseminate. So people aren't aware. I mean, I see people referring to these as leaked emails or somehow the Epstein files have been heroically uncovered. No.

The House Oversight Committee is currently controlled by Republicans. Okay. James Comer, he's the chairman of the House Oversight Committee. I've spoken to him. They put out, and so they put, they've issued subpoenas to a variety of entities and individuals to do this sort of like renewed Epstein investigation, of course, which of course they have to do, right? And which, I'm fine with that.

Get out out all the information. But then what happens is, and this also happened with the birthday book, right, when the birthday book materials finally came in pursuant to the subpoena that was issued to the Epsom and the estate, which you know, they don't even contest. The estate doesn't even contest. So they don't have anything to hide, apparently. But then once they provide the materials to this committee, both the Democrats and the Republicans both get it. But then what the Democrats do is that they isolate anything that seems incendiary and related to Trump, right?

So what the Democrats immediately did, the incident that got the birthday book was they isolated the entry from Trump with the supposed, you know, outwined the naked woman. They drew by Sharvin. And that's all people see, right? Oh, my God, leaked bombshell material showing that Trump had some dealings with Epstein, blah, blah, blah. And they've done the same thing with this, meaning they take out these decontextualized three emails from 20,000 or something, which I've gone through some of them. And, okay, they're interesting enough. Like, I'm interested in the stories. Yeah, want to read them for the people?

So I've read some of them. One of them is... Just the ones on me. Let me just finish my point on this. Yeah. So the Democrats strategically isolate or sort of present or amplify these Trump-related excerpts. And then what the Republicans do, I think it's actually much more laudable, which is that immediately afterwards, to counter the Democrats, they actually release everything. Yeah.

But the general public or the average news consumer is none the wiser. Yeah. So here's some of the emails. They're so stupid. Jeffrey Epstein to Jelaine Maxwell, April 2, 2011. I want you to realize that the dog that has embarked this Trump, victim redacted, this is the Virginia Goufrey, according to reports, right? Spend hours of my house with him.

He has never once been mentioned. Okay, so he's saying nobody's talking in the media about Trump. Okay. She spent hours at the house with it. What does that mean? Could mean anything. Michael Wolf writes to Epstein. This Michael Wolf thing you were talking about, and, you know, he's becoming more and more central people are realizing it.

And Michael Wolf tells him to come forward and away and talk about Trump. Michael Wolf tries to get him to, like, denounce Trump. And, like, he gives him some. Michael Wolf loaths Trump, okay? He's a Newark City, Upper West Side Liberal. I wonder if Epstein did this. This would have, like, he could have been a, maybe he would have been a resistance hero or something. Like, I think he gave him sound advice.

Well, you know, there was one, there was one email excerpt that I was reading some of where he's getting like, I don't know, I guess they put out privileged lawyer client information because or maybe it's no longer applicable because he's dead. I'm not sure. But there's one, there's one message that he gets that the lawyers are involved, his lawyers are involved with they're sort of like planning out what a potential PR strategy could be. And they're talking about, you know, maybe you could like sort of become an anti-Trump crusader or something. And that would make the story bigger than you, right? It would make it also about Trump, but then you could like almost make it seem like you're blowing the whistle on Trump or something.

Yeah Michael Wolf is already central to this I'll just give you an example of how stupid the media is I can't stand them and I'm not like a right-wing nihilist where like the media is always bad we can't like we have to just discount everything immediately but here's this woman Helen Lewis

okay she's a British journalist I guess now she's at the Atlantic somebody sent me this tweet I wouldn't even have seen it on my own she says these Epstein emails are basically the opposite of conspiracy theory He's ellipsist just ellipsis written it all down Like oh my god it's all out of the open now

Okay so I said written what down What exactly has been written down? Helen A confession that Trump was involved in child sex trafficking Because that's still very much a ludicrous conspiracy Albeit it one that journalists and politicians Clearly want to be true Contrary to all available evidence

Here's what she says to me No, but these emails I guess no I guess she's agreeing that there's no child sex drop trafficking conspiracy but she says no but these emails are further evidence

of quite now connected Epstein was with figures like Larry Summers and Michael Wolfe Michael Wolf he was we know it's not about his relationship

with Epstein they don't know anything these people don't know anything and they're just spout it off this stuff has been known for years that he was involved

with Larry Summers yeah by the way speaking of speaking of unfair tweets Matt Sterler had a tweet where he's like, here's Larry Summers just calling women dumb casually. He doesn't call women dumb.

Larry Summers goes, I said that women were half of the world's intelligence. I didn't mention that they're 51% of the world's population. So he's saying they're equal intelligence. They have the majority of them. Anyways, it was a very small point, but it was like, it was anewy to be how they tried to get him as a misogynist. Whatever. I mean, you don't, you know, you don't tell you're talking about Larry Summers. I know why Larry Summers was outst from Harvard, okay?

It was because he said that women are less. inclined to go into the hard sciences or something. Whatever the case may be. It doesn't matter, but like, just look at this misconception. Yeah, nothing matters. No, but they're saying these emails now prove, like... The conspiracy that it proves is that Epstein had a relationship with Larry Summers and Michael Wolfe.

Yeah. Someone's asking, Michael, what evidence does Tracy need? Epstein's Mossade. Here's what evidence I need. Any evidence that... that there was a child sex traffing ring. That's the whole reason we know the name Jeffrey Epstein. Right?

Am I wrong about that? You are correct. And also something that would counter the mounds of contradictory or countervailing evidence showing that the claims of a child sex trafficking ring are absurd and fantastical. That's what I would need. Yes, I would also need that. I mean, the stuff that's come out with, like, Israel recently, okay, fine, we've known he had this relationship with Ehud Barak.

Edou Barak was the former prime minister of Israel. Ehud Barak was in charge of the Israeli intelligence services when he was prime minister. He was had business dealies with Epstein. Epstein, you know, he had an amazing rolodex. Nobody has denied that. So. People want to get so far afield from the core claim, which has given rise to us even knowing about Epstein in the first place,

which is the child's sex trafficking stuff. They almost want to treat that like this ancillary little detail that no longer matters. Even though Virginia Roberts, she was the number one bestselling book in the America. Mm-hmm. Yes. Stop gaslighting me, commenters.

Anyways, these comments. Okay, so, yeah. So, that's so true. Like, there's no difference. So he has this one to the Saudi prince, Sultan bin Salam. Never heard of him.

Donald is close to no one. He talks to many people. He tells each one something different. Sultan bin Salman, do you know him? I heard he is close to Trump. What? It's just like, it has this Saudi prince.

He's gossiping. Yeah, but it doesn't even tell you who he is. Like, do you know him? I heard he is so close to Trump. Who? They really, it's just like, it's just gossip. Why don't they,

why don't they put out the full sequence of emails? I've been trying to get them like as they, they didn't release them. But they're all out now, right? They're all somewhere. They're all out now, but like I can't, maybe I'm like, computer illiterate or something,

but I'm having trouble getting the full, like, DAT file open. If anybody knows how to open a dat file, let me know. I put it in the chat. Maybe I can open it. I'm pretty smart. Give it to chat GBT.

I did, I did. But they have to, like, they said they can't download. chat GBT says it can't download. one directly and then I download it and I put it. No, you can upload it. I did upload it. And then.

And then it gives me some stuff, but it's not like well organized. It gives you some stuff, but it's not well organized. What does it give you? It puts together, it puts together the batch of emails, right? But it's just not. Yeah, you can search. Hold on. Let me find it.

Yeah, search for stuff. Search for, uh, I was, I read, I read, I read one email that was from Deepak Chopra. Mm-hmm. Okay. Do you know who that is? Like the guru? Yes, yes.

You do about him? No, I do. And he's talking to Epstein about like, hold on. Let me, I have the tech. That text file. I don't know. Maybe I need the, maybe I need a Windows computer or something. Okay, here we go.

Wait, no, this isn't even it. I don't have it in front of me. It's Epstein. It's like Deepak Chopper asking if, like, a lawsuit was dropped against Epstein or something. I'm not that nobody's denied, nobody who is familiar with this stuff would deny that Epstein clearly

had an enormous roster of prominent people that he dealt with or interacted with regularly. That's part of the whole intrigue, right? But I'm saying none of that goes to the child sex, I mean, it's just amazing to me how seamlessly people think they can transition away from this pedophilic sex trafficking thing. Yeah.

That was the whole basis for the story. It's like we learned. that he was close to Michael Wolf. Who cares about Michael Wolf? Michael Ralph was, like, most famous for talking about Trump and Estes. Michael Wolf goes on the Daily Beast podcast every week to talk about his, like, dealing with him.