MTracey podcast - "Today's News" -- April 27, 2026: Jim Acosta Substack Brawl Trauma-Bonding Fiasco

Episode Date: April 28, 2026

UPDATE: I have agreed to fight Jim Acosta in Las Vegas on July 4, 2026 on the condition that Epstein Survivors surround the ring in bikinis. This is a public episode. If you'd like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit www.mtracey.net/subscribe

All right, welcome to pedophile report, a.k.a. Today's news, starring the man of the moment, international media celebrity, Michael Tracy. The pedophile in the arena. All jokes aside, Michael, you somehow managed to actually make the news in the middle of an attempted assassination of the president of the United States. Can I just give you an anecdote on that?

Okay. Sure. I had to dinner with a group of people last night. And one of the guys was like, you know, I was talking to this old, like, lobbyist friend of mine in his 60s. And all he wanted to talk about was not the attempted assassination, but Michael Tracy and the Hampton Inn. Unbelievable.

Well, hold on a second, Matt. I want to start this with the big news story of this week and I thought was the NFL draft. So why don't we spend the next 90 minutes discussing that since we all know you were glued to your TV set? Oh, no, we don't have to do that. I do actually have some families that to take care of this weekend. But first of all, at Michael Suss 20 to 10, Matt blames the press for. for violence while Michael was racy, tries to fight the press,

can't make it up. This proves my point. This is a widely already misreported thing that's all over the place. It's because I'm bad with the capital B, and therefore everything bad that happens has to flow for me, or I have to be the

causal agent of it. And yeah, this does seem to be a running theme with you, even more than me, Michael. So I'm wondering what it is that, but. Because you're, you're just better looking than me. So the uglier you get, the more primed everyone is to pin the blame on you, which I accept that's a biological reality.

I doubt that's the case. I doubt either of those things are true. Also, before we get started, okay, I want to make a declaration. This is very important. While this was all going on, literally as I was being threatened with a media brawl, meaning told that I had to step outside and settle things like men with with Jim Acosta which we'll describe in more detail and thankfully we have a firsthand eye witness Mr. Justin who's going to join us soon Justin Young is an eyewitness is going to step forward this is amazing

so I'm going to have to maybe upend my entire worldview which tends to be dismissive of superstition and superstitious clap trap, such as, I don't know, astrology. Because it just so happens that virtually at the instant that all this clamor was unfolding, my sister had a baby. Wow. That is true. Saturday night.

Did you try to shoot the president? I'm kidding. That's great. He's probably going to get blamed on it just by association with me. Right. He's probably in for some kind of problem. Congratulations. It was the first baby that is a boy that I've had a uncle connection to. So I just want to give a shout out to baby Brett.

And for some reason, my sister chose to name it Brett Michael. And I asked her, so you're aware that for the rest of this child's life, people will be belting poison songs at him, right? Is that the name of the poison lead singer, Brett Michael? Brett Michaels, yeah. Every rose has it. So, I mean, I know I'm going to be singing that at the baby. Right. And I got to imagine that there are others who will have the same idea,

but she wasn't aware of this until the birth certificate was signed. So I had to break the news to her. But anyway, so there was some kind of astrological coalescence in the Tracy bloodline on Saturday. April 25th. So if anybody wants to place a bet that is tied here like 425, 26 or something, I'm giving you the insider trading

info. The moon was in Venus or whatever it is. Yeah, so I can call you unc now. You should probably call me Ocho Ocho Cinco. I was already uncle. I was already here. This is the first, this is the third. There was two girls prior to this. Maybe I shouldn't be giving out this information. Yeah, yeah. Somebody's property already

made a dummy credit card. Yeah, there's like now that there's like a voodoo family that they're knitting together. Right. But in all seriousness, okay, so you were involved in a scuffle at a substack event. I didn't go to. And neither did that jerk Greenwald who had been teasing that he was going to be showing up.

Yeah. No, he did do that. But he decided not to go. Who the hell is Isaac Shore? Does it matter? I mean, these are so, it doesn't matter. These are so just like just interchangeable media reporter people. So we brought up the word back fiefen gasiked before, which is possession of a punchable face. And that's Jim Acosta.

In seriousness, I mean, I have a punchable face too, I'm told. and I can't really refute that. Yeah, you might a little bit, but why don't you just give us the bare bones of what happened? All right, so here's some context. So I made sure to get down there to D.C. early. So I arrived Friday evening

because it just so happens that Saturday afternoon, there was going to be a memorial event held on the national wall, right in front of the Washington, monument that was going to be a butterfly memorial they called it for virginia roberts goo fray who were now told as one of the is it an american hero and jamey raskin was on hand the member of democrat member of member of congress from maryland who you know pivoted seamlessly

from russia gate to epstein um he gave a soaring oratorical address in which he likened virginia roberts gufrey you know the chiefs Chief Epstein victim, accuser of whatever. He likened her to Frederick Douglass, Rosa Parks, and Dolores Huerta. So according to Jamie, you were asking, Virginia Roberts Kaffray is to be entered into this pantheon of American heroes of American history.

And on top of that, they were advocating for legislation, because in January there was a legislation introduced by Chuck Schumer called Virginia's Law, which is designed to abolish the statute of limitations around trafficking claims, just like was done piecemeal in the aftermath of Me Too around sexual harassment or sexual assault claims, at least in certain states, like New York, California, etc. So it was a political event, obviously, but everybody, was deeply mortified by my presence, even though I was trying to be real inconspicuous,

but that's, I guess, no longer possible to me because the instant I show up to anything that is Epstein theme nowadays, the group chats light up, and a security alert goes around. So I had five people following me for two hours at this so-called butterfly memorial, and they have butterflies and flowers set up,

so I would not be able to talk to anybody, unimpeded. So there was actually a time where, you know, and there was a guy filming me who I thought was like with the security crowd. Yeah. So Tara Palmeri, another one of my nemeses, she was surreptitiously recording me, I guess. And look, I mean, I put together that outfit at the last minute.

So if people want to give me fashion advice, you know, go ahead. And I'm wearing the, I'm wearing the sunglasses because I'm on the run. So I'm trying to remain incommunicado for the, this right um but so if you if you notice are those two guys those are two of the security you know uh goons who were who i was trying to ask who they were like that's the thing i'll try to ask who are you can you give me a name an affiliation or something and they're always very sneaky and evasive about who they even are um and they always ask me so who are you so i have to like you know give them my tax returns right

I mean, I'll, I tell, I, I say who I am, Michael, Tracy, which earnless, whatever. I'm like, you know, pull up by a resume, whatever they want, not that I haven't actively updated a resume. But they'll never say who they are. But as this event went on, I was surrounded by those two, I was trailed by those two guys, as well as three to four additional, like, volunteer type people, one of whom demanded that I follow her to like a tree in the background. So I was as far away as possible. And she was trying to basically just kill time. So that I would just be removed from the event.

And at a certain point I said, okay, so this has been fun, Heidi, which is what she said her name was. But I think I'm going to mosey my way back to the actual event, which is why I showed up. And she actually grabs me physically. So they're, they were physically impeached.

my ability to move about freely at this event. Julie Kay Brown was there, and she'll come up later. I saw her sneaking around. And I also spotted briefly Tara Palmeri. I didn't know that she was sneaking around surreptitiously filming me, which is fine. I mean, I didn't do anything. I was standing there trying to reason with these guys,

which of course was folly. And funnily enough, once like the National Guardsmen who were still in D.C. and the park police like kind of caught wind of what weirdness was going on they sided with me pretty much like a park police officer came up and said to me

look I just want to let you know that a complaint was made about you so I kept my eye on you this whole time and I noticed you didn't do anything so I just wanted to you know thank you for that I'm like okay I mean so like what is going on here this is so bizarre

Michael if I could just interrupt for a second I think people people need to hear they need to understand understand that there is a serious issue here, which is that throughout the reporting of this Epstein scandal, there has gradually come to be this consensus that certain people must not be questioned at all. Now, that started with just the quote-unquote survivors, right? And you were sort of removed from an event, I guess it was Marjorie Taylor Green who made the call. Was that last

Last fall. The survivors, the ones who first riled of a mob in front of the Capitol, led by Haley Robson, who I also encountered last week. Right. But just to, so, but this is expanded. Marjorie Taylor Green ordered the Capitol police to eject me from a press conference in front of the Capitol in September, to which I had been invited by Roe Con, a staff, and Roe Con and Thomas Massey are the ones who organize that press conference.

Right, right. But this is now expanded. Not only are they a no-fly zone, their lawyers are a no-fly zone. And now even some of the journalists are sort of trying to bask in the glow of I'm not to be questioned. And that's kind of the background. Well, I'm going to give some credit to the lawyers, okay, who I have lots of problems with. But you might recall, you know, about three or four weeks ago, I did go to that Bank of America settlement hearing. Right.

in New York at the federal courthouse and I was able to talk more than I thought, more extensively than I thought with David Boys and Bradley Upwards who were kind of like the ringleaders. I'm not sure if they instantly recognized me

because I was wearing a false mustache. But the journalist, I mean, what's fascinating is that the journalists have declared themselves no go zones. Namely, this Tara Palmeri Huckster and this Julie K. Brown fraud. Okay, and if you want to, you know,

come at me, with some kind of actionable claim because I'm calling her a fraud. So be it. Julie Kay Brown is a fraud. Insofar as she fabricated quotes in her memoir and understandably

does not want to address this ever. Yeah, she no commented when you press. She no commented me last summer. So she's been, you know, spooked by me for quite a while now because I'm the only one who bothered to read her book carefully and found this out.

And I even contacted one of these joke journalism industry organizations that just exist for no other reason than to give out awards. Yeah. Like society, professional something or other investigative journalists. Reporters committee or something. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because she was getting showered with yet another accolade last fall at some gala in New York. So I emailed like the board. It was like, hey, are you guys aware that Julie K. Brown fabricated quotes?

And I cite chapter and verse giving them all the evidence. and they didn't even know comment me. They just didn't reply at all. So she's understandably a little bit miffed at my existence, which, you know, I don't blame her. But clearly, I'm not enough of a thorn in her side to prevent her from getting some kind of deal optioned where she's going to be the lead heroic heroine

in a new drama series. Yeah, starting a large, of the McCa's scam outfit, which also produced a podcast with Tara Palmeri years ago. Yeah. But now they're back in, they're back with a vengeance. And Julie Kay Brown's going to be the lead

character played by Laura Dern in this new series that I guess is going to be on Netflix or somewhere. Yeah, Netflix, I think. I don't know that it's a, I don't know if, is it confirmed that's on Netflix? I thought so. I thought so. Oh, it's Sony is, it's shopping.

it. Okay. Whatever. I'm sure it probably will be on Netflix or Hulu. But it's been optioned already. The, you know, the important thing is this has worked out very well for her. She wrote a book that was

dedicated to Virginia. Gufrey, right? Dedicated to Virginia. Dedicated to federal prosecutors in the Southern District of New York, which I don't know many federal, you know, in Intrepid investigative journalist who would dedicate their book in the thank you section to their favorite federal prosecutors.

So that's a little curious. But anyway, so Julie Kay Brown was on the scene and I know she announced that she was going to be at the substack party, okay? Because she's got a substack now, of course. She was one of the VIPs whose substack was so excited we're going to be coming to the event along with the likes of Jim Acosta. Because, you know, I'm, I like substack still. So I don't have a big grudge against substack. but, you know, clearly they made sort of an institutional decision,

which is their prerogative, and I don't even have a problem with it, in the past several years to kind of court these refugees from the corporate media, like Jim Acosta or a Chris Saliza or like even a Chuck Todd or people like this who are not quite in keeping with the ethos of substack, you know, circa 2020, 2020-21-ish.

Yeah, no shit. But they're pretty popular. I mean, they do well on substack, so I'll go to more power to them. But, you know, Julie K. Brown, like, one made a big announcement as though she's like Tom Cruise announcing that she's going to some movie premiere. Right. That she was going to be at the substack event. So, okay, I'm invited to, I guess I'm enough of the bestseller to go to the substack party.

And you're actually a substacker. Yeah, yeah. Well, I don't know. I don't, I don't self-identify as a substacker. It's kind of a lame term, frankly. Actually, the New Yorker quoted me in something a few months ago. and describe me as a sub-stacker. Like, can you just a journalist?

I mean, what is a sub-stacker? Okay, yeah, that's bad. You're right. Anyway, so you went up there. So I'm thinking, okay, you know, I'm not going to be one of these people who shows up to one of these sulleries and says, you know, I'm going to pretend that I'm like,

I really love everybody here and be super, you know, solicitous and kiss everybody's ass. No, there are some people who, you know, I like well enough who are there, who I'll, you know, just interact with, I'll interact with as I would interact with them any place else. so if Julie K. Brown is there and she's been on a

basically a defamation campaign against me in conjunction with her little cohort Tara Palmeri suggesting and slash insinuating that I'm paid by Epstein co-conspirators which is which Julie K. Brown did you can pull up the tweet from February or Julie K. Brown also claims

I go around just chronically harassing Epstein survivors like this brutish male thug. Yeah and that's Some powerful men must be behind you. And so what's so funny is that in terms of there's no fly zone that she's declared around herself, she now thinks of herself pretty much as an Epstein survivor like vicariously. Right. So you can't question Julie.

Survivor by proxy. Just as you can't question the survivors because she's like a mouthpiece for the survivors. Right. So she can defame you all she wants. But if you happen to be at the same gathering on White House correspondence dinner night, you dare not approach her. So that's, so I, I had a normal evening

except the fact that Chris Best from Sub-Sack got up and made a statement saying, just to let everybody know there's been a shooting. So, I mean, we think we're okay here, but we're not sure. Yeah.

So we, I don't know. There was a thought that we were going to get like floods of people running in or something. I don't know what was going on. Well, let's, let's run through this quick. This is, this is tara palmyeri um she she accuses you on the air of uh with peers morgan uh well she does the mccarthyite questioning are you now or have you have you or have you ever been paid by right right

so you you you went up to and then you see julie basically repeating this on on the tweet well more so Julie goes even further go like go back to her tweet can we go back to the tweet yeah i've been wonder, wow, silence. So she, so Julia assert that I was silent when I was asked this question by Tara. Yeah. You were. She knew for a, you should have that what happened was there really was a freak technical glitch, I think. I mean, people have been telling me conspiracy theories about what they think really happened. I think it was almost certainly a technical glitch. It doesn't matter. You're on the air denying it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But they, you know, but the Pierce Morgan show put out a clip where they cut off my answer. But if you watch the full clip, of course, like once the questions repeated back to me, are you paid by any Epstein co-conspirators? I say, of course not, you freaking moron. Right.

Which I, you know, I called Tara that because she is one. And I'm paid by like subsapp subscribers, presumably like you. I mean, whatever idiots decide to pay you. Yeah. And even peers hopped in at one point and said, what an amazing coincidence that you went silent. Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. I'm like, okay, do you want me to get an affidavit from the technical guy? who was in the mobile van studio with me.

Anyway, we'll come back to this because Justin's waiting, but basically you ask Julie about this. I spot Julie K. Brown, okay? And I, you know, as cordially as I can, I walk up to her and introduce myself. And I start asking her, you know, and then instantly she starts wanting to try to evade me

and, like, pretend to want to leave. Yeah. Well, that's understandable. but go ahead. But why? I mean, shouldn't you have the courage? I mean, why is it understandable? I mean, it's pathetic.

Julie K. Brown is a coward. Julie K. Brown is a slug. Julie K. Brown is somebody who is so ridiculously venerated for having done this Miami Herald series in 2018 where basically all she did was serve as a PR functionary for the cabal of lawyers representing the victims who fed her stuff. Mm-hmm. And she's been able to parlay that into this career where now this is her whole identity.

So, I mean, so the idea that you can't tolerate any probing whatsoever at a media event. Yeah, no, I know. Everybody's going to walk on eggshells around you to make sure you're comfortable and not being harassed. And then what she does is she conflates any questioning with harassment, just like the Epstein survivors would. Okay. So she really is like a vicarious survivor. So she's pathetic. I don't want to hear any rationalization of her behavior whatsoever because

I'm not. Because now she's running around demanding that the entire media industry denounce me and like and ostracize me, which go ahead if you want. No, I'm, I'm just saying it's it's predictable that you would do that. Yes, it's predictable because she's a piece of shit. Yeah. I mean, we wouldn't be in the position of having to run away from a reporter. So, so what happens is, and it will bring Jals Justin to verify this. Because I want to make sure I had a witness.

There we go. But, you know, initially, like, this is, by the way, this is shut. I don't want anybody, but nobody take my word for it. I want Justin to as objectively as possible explain what he observed. Well, it's not. This is Justin Young of politics, politics, politics. Is that right?

That's the name of the time. That's it. Yeah, that's it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, and you were there. So what happened? Indeed. Yeah.

Well, it's an honor to join the show, boys. Thank you so much for the opportunity. Let me just press this. By the way, just he got thrown out because of, yeah, thrown out in tandem with me. So he got roped into my whole saga, hilarious. It's a great story. So, I mean, Michael Tracy and I have a long and abiding friendship

that goes back three substack parties. But for whatever reason, we get along. And I come and say hi to him because it's been a hell of a year since the last time I saw him in this time, and he's really taken, you know, this Epstein thing on. And I wanted to say, hey, it's really cool that you've had the courage to go and do it because you get a lot of shit.

Some of the at replies that are in your mentions are hair raising. Now, I didn't realize that was just going to be a ominous portent for what would happen to my Twitter, not but 24 hours later. But I'm talking to, so they cut off the substack party after the shooting happened because of the Secret Service. They shut down the entire block. They said nobody else was allowed in, which is part of the reason why there was this weird vibe in the party,

no matter what, because it was like half a party, right? Yes, it was half a party. And so all of a sudden, I'm actually talking to the head of politics, Catherine Valentine for Substank. And she's like, yeah,

I just think people aren't drunk enough. Literally, almost like comedically. I'll admit, in order to get through a media event, I have to say, I don't understand how you can't. I mean, but I wasn't like slosh out of my mind.

No, no, no, no. This has nothing to do with your, this is, this is nothing to do with your behavior. All I know is immediately after that is said, Tracy comes by me and just says, do you want to witness this? For which, that's, that's a, that's a call to action, baby. That's a call to adventure, the likes of which. Yes. You mentioned that you would like to have some words. You were on the lookout.

Head on a swivel. baby. So he goes, a overrated face. So I don't know who's there. I don't know if it's Julie K. Brown. I don't know if it's Tara Palmeri.

I don't know if it's a new Michael Tracy enemy that has popped up in the intervening time. I just know that Tracy wants me to witness something. Ah, man. So he goes over and this is the way that I would describe it. The way you've listened to this podcast, even if this is the first podcast that you listen to, now that the Hampton Hammer is so famous internationally for,

for everything that's going on. Michael Tracy, I think you, in my, again, extensive three substack party friendship with you, you've got an intensity level that kind of starts at a 7.5. And you roll up to Julie K. Brown. And you repeat, very disciplined, do you have any proof that I am being paid by Epstein supporters or men that are there to cover up for Epstein? Co-conspirators, co-conspirators. But didn't I kind of introduce myself first?

Yeah, I mean, I think there was no question of exactly who you were. There was no question of exactly who you were. Everybody was well aware. Everybody was well aware. And she had a body woman that started. Like a party style intro saying, hello, Julie. I'm Michael Tracy. That tracks.

Yeah. Yeah, it's something along those lines. I think the bigger thing is that you ask the same question over and over and over again. And like, I think that's right. That's what you should do. If that's, if you have a question that you want to ask and especially at a media party where there's a lot of egos and a lot of people that we're bordering on, you know, influencer and journalists and people are out there and they're talking about

each other all the time. Sometimes you're going to have confrontations like this. And I think this was a pretty reasonable one. She goes scurrying off and Michael's asking the same question. She does respond. She says, I never said that. So now there is a dialogue, be it a sparse one. And then Michael says, I can pull up the tweet, right?

She's trying to make a quick. exit and the elevator was broken or something, right? There's, yeah, then she tried to walk into the men's room and I pointed out that that was the men's room and then she went over to the landing. That's a good thing by the, by the stairs. And that's where. But isn't it pathetic that she's trying to duck into the men's room? Look, I don't know Julie K. Brown.

I was not fully informed on the Epstein Cinematic Universe at the time that I walked into this party. So I didn't really know the, yeah, I have, you know, I didn't, this must have been one of the Disney plus shows that I, yeah, that I just wasn't, it was like Hawkeye of the Epstein saga that I just hadn't caught up with yet. So I was, I was unfamiliar with it. And, but I thought, look, this is just some shit that happens at a media party, man, like not everybody's friends, especially when you're in this kind of media market. You're supposed to pretend you are. Well, yeah, but this is what I like about you is that you don't suffer fools gladly and that's like kind of your thing and it was it was anyway so this is when we start to gather a little attention and uh there's some security people

that start getting in there and then i would say pretty late into things coming on uh arrives the mayor of journalism himself the the paragon of all things uh brave in the world of truth-tell in journalism, Jim Acosta. The pinnacle of journalistic integrity. Oh. Just thundering in on a white horse comes Jim Acosta, to which he says loudly. Maybe I had a couple of drinks. He seemed pretty damn drunk to me, right?

Well, we got to be careful about seeing unequivocally he was drunk. I mean, he appeared to me to be quite inebrily. Okay. I will say he had the pomposity of a man for whom was very, very high on his own supply, however he happened to get there. But finger outstretched says, get away from her. She's a journalist. To which I say, now, I have kind of been on the other side of this.

I have not interjected myself. This is a bit, this is between Michael and Julie and whoever Julie's body woman is. That's who this is about. She had a body woman, okay, who is like crowding around or almost trying to box me out like she's going for the rebound. Yeah. yes yeah right who was not uh

i've got who has a body woman go to the substack event with them i mean so acosta's there get away of mercy's and journalist who was like you know she said that there was a quote confrontation there would have been none

if she didn't have this random body woman who was trying to like muscle her way in what's a body woman just a personal assistant basically like it was it was yeah it was muscle her way in and like sort of like get distance. But was doing she was doing the like she's crashing. She was doing the political.

She was doing the political. She was doing the like, excuse me. Thank you. Excuse me. Thank you. She was doing like that that politicians. AIDS do. I don't know whether it's like it's Senator Brown.

Yeah. Exactly. Like no questions. Excuse me. Thank you. Excuse me. So Acosta comes in. He says get away from her.

She's a journalist. Which I costa to which I step in this is the first time the only time that I got involved was with Acosta and I go he's a journalist And so now I'm in front of Acosta So now Acosta looks at me and we're on like we're on this we're on this very or in this very like ornate area right where it's like yeah The run with gallery staircase yeah oh it's very cinematic I hope this makes the julie k brown show this would be a fucking great scene and the july K. Brown show. A little bit story. Julie K. Brown.

Yeah. But Acosta looks at me and goes, who the fuck are you? To which, and this is something that I truly will cherish for my entire life, get to look Jim Acosta in his hollow, dumb, vacuous face and say,

who the fuck are you? Back to him. Which was just a great, just, I mean, like, a real, like, people pay a lot of money to go to fantasy camp for the Yankees to have the kind of feeling that that sent through my body.

we go back and forth a little bit and then at that point he realizes he doesn't give a shit about me he gives the shit about Michael and so that's when that's the point where I didn't hear the thing where he says stay away from her she's a journalist

the first thing I seem to recall from Acosta was him pointing you know wagging his finger at me where there's like a couple of people in between us right yeah and he's saying let's step outside or let's get you step the fuck outside that's exactly what happens

yeah that's exactly what happens and so that's when he comes over the top realizing that I'm I don't matter to him. You matter to him. So he screams, Hey, let's step outside.

In my head, he said Mr. I don't know if he said Mr. But it was, it was certainly let's step outside. Step outside. Yes. Step outside.

If you want to handle it that way, let's go. We'll handle this like men. At which point, that's exactly, that is exactly, almost verbatim exactly what Michael says. And so begins,

one of the great means of 2026. I was whimper, whimper away? No, I don't. I mean, if you want to say, step outside and fight where we fight in our formal black tie attire on the sidewalk in front of the Smithsonian,

then I would have done that. I mean, we should concede it. It would have been the lamest fight in history. Nobody wants to see a journalist fight. It's going to be like two people rolling around each other. Everybody's old as fuck. We're indoor kids. We're not meant to fight. We didn't join the military. Like I thought about yesterday, I would have surprised him with an instant spin kick. You would have never seen it coming. I will say almost. But I think what happened is, so Jim Acosta was sort of like trying to organize the security intervention. No, no, no.

Security was already there. He did not show up until security was already there. Okay. He was, this was truly, this was truly one of the most cowardly ways that you could interject yourself into something was literally after everything was essentially settled. He came in over the top and started yelling. Like that was, that was his entire thing for his escalation. well yeah I mean

go ahead but this is the um Robert De Niro in the untouchables uh as Al Capone being held back yes

but yeah okay got it all right yeah that was basically what it was and so so he goes all outside and at that point I don't know exactly when the decision was made

by substack that Tracy had to go but it was around there it was around when in Costa started screaming about fighting and Tracy was like where I'm in a fight here that like uh in the decision was made by substack that they had to go so the CEO Chris best was there and he came up to you and he said look I won't talk I mean I won't talk to Julie K. Brown anymore if that if you really don't want me to

can we just move on yeah I'm sorry I'm trying yeah I'm trying to deescalate and Chris Best comes by and says hey look I'm excited to invite you to the next party but you got to leave Yeah, gee, thanks. That is not a good. You said, you're more than welcome to come to the next party, but for now you have to go. You got to leave this. Because why? Because there was no explanation given.

So it got to the point where, like, you know, the security guys with everyone's like, if you don't, you know, it's our way or the highway at this point. If you don't follow us right now and leave, we're calling the police. I'm like, can you guys explain it? Like what active danger is there at this moment? But it didn't. Yeah. I mean, it's not,

yeah, it's not how I would have done it, but it wasn't my party. So that is what it is. Like, they say, all right, he's got to go.

I said, I had to go. They said no, but I'm like, I'm not going to, like, I don't know, I'll leave.

So I, I bail with Tracy. The security, the security got in a little bit of an extra, an extra poke on the way out. The security was kind of like taunting me on the way out. On the way out, it was a little, it was a little gratuitous on the way out, in my opinion. But at that point, we left.

And in my mind. You were just exchanging some choice words. Yeah. And then at that point, I was like, all right, because my brain is just an irradiated fucking content critter. And so I'm like, we got a fucking live stream right now. Like, this needs to be. I wouldn't have a curbing to live stream at this point.

Because we went to like some barn nearby, right? Michael, do you want to read this? comment at the bottom here? I'm not sure if I do want to read that comment actually. I'm in enough trouble, all right? Okay, so

it wouldn't have occurred to me to like, so Justin is much more enterprising than me because he knows like when to hone in on the content creation opportunity, which is that we should immediately live stream, he suggested. That wouldn't have occurred to me, but I'd over a drink or two, right?

Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Unfortunately, I was not good enough at creating content to know that we were in a fucking basement. And so it would be nearly unwatchable. But at least it was the thought that counted. Although really, Tracy gets the gold medal for the content creation, creating one of the greatest tweets of all time after we leave the bar. Look, I'm, I'm Mr. Self-Deprocation. once this happens yeah I'm going to embellish a little bit for comedic effect okay I'm not like storming around DC and an actual rage like looking to beat down

everybody that I come across but since Jim Acosta is the one who introduced the idea of stepping outside quote unquote which is 100% true thank you and needs to be memorialized he's the only one that came up with the fight

it's already been completely flipped around Yeah, not the case. All over the place. Yeah, so I'm the one who started challenging everybody to fight. Here's the headline on Twitter. Journalist Michael Tracy challenges CNN's Jim Acosta, and activist Olivia Giuliana to fights in Washington, D.C. Because Olivia, I think they might have you on the second one.

I don't know the first one. The second one was me following up on Jim's threat. So it's like, Jim, if you want to have the fight that you challenge, me too. Here's the address of the Hampton Inn. Yeah. Feel feel you to scamper your little ass over here and we'll settle it. We'll throw hands. Unbelievable. And look, I'm aware of the humorous undercurrent of what I'm doing. Okay. Look, part of your job is to hype up silly shit as a journalist. You got to bring eyeballs to what you're doing. And then I think I spotted that Olivia, Giuliana, whatever her name is, who's some kind of Democratic

influencer. I think I spotted her there at some point in the quote scuffle. She was at the party. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So she jumps in and starts saying since you love harassing women so much, try that with me next time and see what happens. I'm okay. Okay, okay, oh, hey, or Juliana, you want gender parody?

Tell me where to meet you. I'll lay the smack on a meet you from the top rope. Go go. The Hampton Hammer, baby. You're requesting a beat, down from me, you'll get it. Right in your face. Oh, man, what do we have here? Oh, okay.

I don't think that has your official tweet. She was like, since you love harassing women so much, try it on me next time and see how well that works out for you. It's like, okay, let's go. Let's meet up somewhere. tonight. Michael, you would be at least a seven to four favorite in that fight, I think. I'd have, yeah, I'd have you.

I'm hyping myself up a little because they would ultimately be like me, it would be like a wet noodle fighting. Yeah. No, by the way, Tracy, did you see that Grock gave you the edge? Grock handicapped a U. Versa Costa fight and gave you the edge. I'm honored. It might be just the age disparity. Yeah, that was it. It mostly was the age disparity because you're giving up a little height. He's very well built.

He's well. If you could tell that his whole career has been about looking as good as he can on CNN. Whereas me, look, I mean, my highest priority has not necessarily been to. Well, you know, in. For the cameras. In Acosta's defense, you know, you got to really look good if you're going to interview a dead child's hologram. You know, like the kind of top flight journalism that Acosta does these days. So, you know, you really do have to take care of yourself.

But there we go. Hampton Inn has become a meme at this point. So they owe me a couple extra thousand Fulton honors points. That tweet, you should sell T-shirts with that tweet. Jim, I'm literally waiting for you right now, you piece of shit. And the picture of Hampton Inn. That is. I stopped at a, I stopped at a rest stop on the New Jersey Turnpike. And a dog starts barking at me.

If I could just interject. And I tweet a photo, like all I said was this dog. dog is barking at me and people took that to me and that this that was next on my list as creatures to fight yeah uh journalists are they really are the biggest wimps in the entire world of course and and especially this breed of them we're not talking about war reporters here yeah even even well even the war reporters are all right but they're also fucking crazy yeah yeah Yeah. But Acosta, there's no way he's going to actually follow through with going outside and having a fight.

And I swear to God, even though, you know, I was going to be running on the fumes of like adrenaline and, you know, a couple of drinks. I would have fought him. I swear I would have fought him. That's the whole one. That's a challenge to me publicly. I will just say. There's a dog. There's a dog.

There's a dog. Just taking all comers in front of him. the Hampton. I would not. You love to see it. I would have drawn the line of the dog. I would not, I will never fight a dog.

I would have sued the dog. The dog was a little agitated. It was left in the car. Talk amongst yourselves. He was barking at, barking at me through a window. Yeah. No, I think,

I'd have dropped the dog down. Jim Acosta, I would have come at him like a pit bull. Yes. The dog, no. Do you have any strategy that you would have employed?

Like, it would have been, I would have been, I would have been, you know, did done this. to the side, and then comes in the sweeping. Oh, the spinning heel kick. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

You know, like, you know, like, Riyu and Street Fighter? Sure. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. That, that spin kick. Yeah, yeah. Or like, or the spinning kick where you crouch down and, like, you try to, you know, swipe their legs out from under them so that they fall to the ground.

You know what I'm talking about? Yeah. That doesn't know. this is this is the problem that i that i have is just in general with all of this is that like before i forget what made yeah what made it so extra pathetic and also like darkly humorous was that accosta thought that he was performing this male savior act oh yeah yeah yeah he thought he was the definition of white knighting so he was stepping in for the hapless and vulnerable julie k brown who has has elaborated since saying oh my god

this behavior was so threatening as a 64 year old woman who's five, five foot. How could he have done this to me? Meaning as though I was about to pounce on her and start ground pounding her. Yeah. Look, I watched literally every second of that encounter. You ask the same question and the same tone of voice. You never put your hands on her. And she started talking back to you.

Like, there's nothing. There was nothing to do in any way suggest that you were. we're doing anything but having an uncomfortable conversation with somebody who has called you paid by pedophile enablers. Like, I feel like that's enough that you're going to get confronted at a party. Was it pleasant for her? Probably not.

When you have your evidence confront you, you know, like, yeah, it's probably wasn't the coolest thing in the world for her. But I don't think that it was, that it was entirely out of pocket. And this gets to your point, Matt, about all journalists being such fucking whims is that like, there's not even a world where we can settle this shit in-house, really? Like every awkward conversation, especially in this kind of market where people are talking wild shit about each other for fucking clicks all the time. We can't have one behind the scenes thing where we just say, fuck you, fuck you, and then move on.

Like, like, this is the worst. It is the worst. Everything has to be this trauma. Like, oh my God, I can't believe it. There's like no element of. of just keeping it into like, I don't know, making it cool for five fucking seconds instead of everything being a hall monitor bullshit. To the teachers or to the to come in and break it up. So first of all, there's two things.

One, the irony of this happening at an event designed to celebrate the free press is, you know, they don't even see it. How funny that is, right? Which is, which makes it pathetic. But in like in the 70s, my, my dad, was a reporter. I didn't witness them, but I heard about a whole lot of actual journalist fights in the 70s that weren't so bad, actually. But no, not this, not this generation. No, not this. Which by the way, it's like a lot of them were, the people that we're talking about are fucking old. Like, like, Acosta is like in his late 50s, Julie Kate Brown's in her mid-60s. Like, like, what are we, what are we even doing here, man? Like, yeah, I mean, answer a couple of questions. and just move on, you know? But, and then for sub- Everybody who wants to take shots at me,

take shots and they do, and they've done it. They do it. I accept it. I even invite it. But you go, you step out of line one inch with one of these hallowed VIPs

whose sub-sac is so thrilled to grace them with their presence. Then it's a five-alarm fire and we need a security intervention. I mean, give me a friggin' break. Not to turn all serious about this, Michael. I don't know if you saw this,

but I wrote about this today. You know, the show, at the White House Correspondence Dinner, among other things, blamed, um, blamed the, the, you know, said he had to, he had to do what he was doing because basically Trump was a pedophile. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And, and, and.

Which it comes after in February, there was an armed, attempted armed incursion at Maralago by a 21-year-old who was newly obsessed with the Epstein files. And he got shot dead. and there have been a bunch of mass shootings and stuff, but by people who are obsessed with the Epsomphiles or with the pedo panic more broadly, and this guy over the weekend apparently was among them, and I'm not blaming,

I'm not saying anybody is causally blameworthy for it necessarily. It's more of just about the polluted information environment, which Julie Kay Brown, yes, is a major contributor to. Yeah, and look, we used to try to, I am no longer willing to permit a pedophile, rapist, and Trader to coat my hands with his crimes. You know, each one of those terms is kind of problematic.

The rapist one got Stephanophilus in trouble. Trader was, remember, remember that whole thing with Helsinki? When the Daily News put it on the cover. Yeah, yeah. John Brennan put it on Twitter. Right. Yeah, yeah, exactly. And then it became a tabloid headline.

And then on top of that, everybody fucked up with the legal definition of treaties. reason was, but this one is the worst by far because there's no pedophile in the story. Like, you know, even if you want to stretch and say somehow that Epstein is a pedophile, Trump isn't one, right? That is entirely a media-created construct. And you're like the only, you're the only person who has seriously pushed back on the use of that term, which is part of the motive for a presidential assassination attempt.

Yeah, Kim, we'll send several of them. I don't know why we don't count the Malauga attempt. But so if the producer can pull up Julie K. Brown recently giving credence to the Katie Johnson lawsuit, which she has previously admitted, was her whole impetus for even looking into Epstein in the first place because she was trying to get a job at the Washington Post. How do I know this?

Because she thought that her men. She thought that her book, 2021, Perversion of Justice, she had so little content for it that she, like half it was the Julie K. Brown memoir, as though we give a shit about her boyfriends or her divorce or her children, her daughters. So we have to slog through that. And she talks about how she was trying to get a job at the Washington Post. And she was trying to look for an anti-Trump peg. And she was looking through these, this lawsuit for 2016, which was a hoax lawsuit. from a former Jerry Springer show producer where they claim that Trump and Epstein

gang raped viciously and brutally a 13-year-old named, quote, Katie Johnson, that was a pseudonym, in the early 90s in New York. And Julie K. Brown apparently gave enough credence to that that she thought, okay, this is my call to look into the Epstein story. And what's weird with her is that as the years went on,

she could no longer really defend it on the merits. And she announced that she said as such publicly. But then just recently, she starts reattributing credence to the Katie Johnson thing, which, if true, would make Trump, you know, a pedophile pretty much, or a violent rapist of a 13-year-old, whether or not that constitutes clinical pedophilia doesn't really matter.

Well, that would be pedophilia, yeah. Yeah, yeah. I'm just saying, you know, if you want to go by the post-pubescent. Let me, let me, It doesn't even matter. Trump would have been guilty if this is true of gang raping with Jeffrey Epstein a 13-year-old. Yeah. Just to give you a sense. So in my quest to be the most interesting man in D.C. on Saturday, before I was Sancho Ponza to Mr. Tracy, I went to the Hilton to go visit friends before the correspondence dinner. When you walked in, there was a group of protesters that were chanting pedophile genocide for,

a place that where we now know, where we now know, the shooter was in his hotel room, getting ready to try and Naruto run through the security and eventually tripping and humiliating himself. But like, yeah, this is,

this is now, yeah, guys, this is Julie K. Brown saying, the reason I took up this case is because of the Katie Johnson lawsuit. Yeah. Which is a ridiculous law. I mean, if you don't have them,

If you don't have the journalistic intuition to realize that that lawsuit was absurd, then you should maybe pursue a different line of work. Okay, so remember the first time that you read the Steele dossier? Yeah. How long did it take you to say, to say? And this is even, I mean, this is even more propositions. It's, it's worse by a lot, right? Look, by the way, Matt, can we rename the podcast, pedophile genocide?

Petophile genocide, absolutely. why not bring on all comers I'll tell you what it didn't get you really pumped for an open bar just to have a bunch of like unemployed brown graduates chanting pedophile genocide at you like that was fucking awesome

nothing more menacing than unemployed brown graduates yeah no but I mean I'll be but look I don't think I'm not going to play the game where anybody who said something sort of out of school about Epstein is therefore presumptively guilty of motivating

somebody who then decides to take rash violent action because that never ends like that that goes back to Sarah Palin getting blamed in 2010 for the Jared Lee. Yeah, for the crosshairs. Yeah, for the for the Gabby Gifford shooting. No, I have a, I have a very definite look that there's a there's a line here that's kind of clear and important, which is if you, if somebody crazy goes out, you know, read something that a politician says and goes out and shoots up a school or something because of that, that's not the politician's fault. No. If a journalist makes a mistake repeatedly, uh, and somebody goes out and shoots up a school over a

mistake, that is the journalist's fault, right? Like that, that is, but they're not a fault for the, for the violent action itself. They contributed to it. I mean, that, but you have a. I think the causality is a little sort of No, I think you have responsibility if you make a mistake and somebody does something

you know. I would say I would say, I mean, if we're really going to deli slice it on blame, like, I would say that that should have professional repercussions. I don't know if you have necessarily moral culpability for somebody being insane. But I do think that like there is a dereliction

of duty specifically with the story. And it's the reason why I went to go talk to Michael at the party, aside from our law abiding friendship of two substack parties before Saturday. And was like, I was on your show, wasn't I? Yeah, you were out of the show, yeah. But it was funny you were to say like this. The, uh, was that, that you are one of the only people that's out there challenging it and

just doing what kind of used to be the job of our mainstream outlets that would just, that would say like, no, there's nothing here or that like, you know, the two things that people point out with Trump when it comes to the pedophilia thing, which apparently now inspired this lunatic from Saturday. Saturday was that Katie Johnson lawsuit and then in the Epstein files, the shit that came in after Epstein was arrested about, you know, the South Carolina thing or whatever. That's what people like point to. When the FBI put out a general tip line. Yeah. And so a bunch of any crank or any mentally old person who's got something to tell us, here's the open phone line to call in. And so it's like,

instead of putting that in context, they did with Swalwell as well recently. Yeah, which and you know, that's a whole other thing. But like, yeah, it's, it's, it's crazy. It's crazy that it gets this far. It's crazy that it's just kind of normalized to the point where it's like almost baseline Democratic talking points at this point, at least maybe not out of the mouth of, of the politicians themselves, but certainly the adjacent, uh, apparatus around them. And it's, it's now just mainstream.

It's just a thing that everybody knows. Well, Matt, shouldn't we, shouldn't we blame Melania Trump then if we're blaming the Democrats? Because Melania is the one who gave her dramatic random random. televised address saying that there are unpunished Epstein co-conspirators something that we have to have congressional hearings to punish unpunished Epstein

She said Epstein didn't act alone So we have to have to think Yeah I mean I I guess I'm just talking about Look pedophile is a very inciting term as is traitor As is rapist

It's designed to be emotional and to get people riled up, right? And if it's wrong and you're putting it out there repeatedly, I think you have some culpability for shit that happens in that case. There's a reason why, you know, we're taught to avoid words like that because when you, you know, those are the kinds of words that get us sued because they're so destructive. And when you use them in conjunction with a public figure,

I just think, you know, you've got to be extra special careful. And they're not. They don't even, they didn't even bother to look. And it's, it's just not here in this story. You know what I mean? Yeah. So, actually, this is something. This is something I didn't get a chance to tell you, Matt, at the party before Jim

Acosta, Ron Burgundy did his way into our lives. But like, I had a drink with somebody right before I went to the Hilton, who's a hill staffer, who works for a member that voted. for the discharge petition on all this, on all the Epstein files stuff. He's had the opportunity. He is supportive of getting everything out. He's had the ability to go and read everything unredacted

in the whatever secure room for the DOJ is. And when I mentioned that I was going to go to the sub-sec party, I was going to talk to you. He was like, yeah, Tracy is right. Like there's nothing in here. That is, there's nothing. There's nothing in here that is not, I mean, can I play?

I've seen clearly had the stuff in Boca, which has been litigated literally in court, Palm Beach, sorry. Boca's in Palm Beach, but. Is it? Palm Beach County, I guess, right? Yeah, Palm Beach County. Doesn't matter.

Anyway. And then, you know, there was all the other, just him being a international playboy and having sex with a lot of women in their 20s that had other women in their 20s. Like, that's, that's what the, who now retroactively claim that they were trafficked and that has and that's, and that's, and that's, and that's, and that's where we're at right now. But it's, it's, it's, it's just crazy to see this has spiraled to the level that it is.

And yeah, I think there's a lot of culpability who worked for somebody who was on the original, who signed the original discharge petition. I don't know when they were in support of it. Everybody, everybody supported it. has voted for the ultimate legislation once it was brought to the floor. No, I don't think they were on the discharge petition. Now that I think back to it, I think he just voted for it.

But he was not on the discharge petition. But this is like a guy that is more along the lines of, you know, wanting there to be stuff there and he did not find anything. He did his own homework and he read the unredacted files. There's nothing there. Like, this is exactly what everybody

who's been following this. We haven't gotten all the files yet. There's another 50. Unreleased files. There's even complaints that, you know, Rocahn and Thomas Massey have made where you, when you go into the secured DOJ facility, even some of those original documents that are supposed to be totally unredacted or remain redacted because they came in redacted from the FBI. So there's never an endpoint where you can say, oh, look, okay, we have now all the information and we can make a definitive statement. Right. But even in that case, though, everybody.

has the responsibility to evaluate the ship that's out there already. And so just for instance, the fact that the Juffray claims are still being, you know, repeated everywhere. And you have Jamie Raskin, you know, giving this comparing her to Rose. Are you kidding me? Frederick Douglas. Right. Exactly. And for folks.

Jamie Raskin got up and said, you know what? You know what? Only for the most revered figures do I ever do this. I'm going to recite a passage from Thomas Payne. And he read out some excerpts of a Thomas Payne pamphlet and said, this is what Virginia has done for us as a society. Unbelievable. I mean, so for people who haven't seen it, you got to look.

Let me grab this so I can send it to our producer here. The, you know, Michael is the only journalist. who went and did the work of, you know, sort of checking the record with Virginia J. Frey. And the most amazing thing is, like, in addition to retracting years of accusations of complicated sexual abuse on the part of Alan Dershowitz, she claimed that she was very seriously injured in a bus crash

in Australia and Michael you got hold of the of the the traffic police report the police report

the traffic report and for the bus my Australian minion will because you can't get this material as a non-Australian and even if you are Australian it's a whole laborious process but yeah

this was just about you go down supposedly she was in this heinous bus crash and she had all these grievous injuries and this right this preceded her um for death yeah so she posts on instagram those those are supposed to supposed to be the injuries she sustained from the bus crash uh okay but if you keep going and and and at this thing over the weekend the survivors that are talking about her are saying look virginia's what inspired me to come out and tell my story and like kind of craft my memory mold my memory in accordance with what she said because we owe it to her as

this martyr who nobody ever fact checks, but yeah, but this is the bus after the supposedly heinous bus crash. This is the bus. If we keep going, then there's a traffic report. The Dershowitz thing, I almost like want to leave that like Bracka the Dershowitz thing. Everybody will say, oh, it's Dershowitz. Okay. It doesn't even matter because it was ridiculous

it was the most egregious instance of her retracting a claim about her having been graphically raped by Dershowitz, which she described in lurid granular detail, including under deposition. But even if you want to leave aside Dershowitz, she also had to retract claims against John Luke Brunel, the French modeling mogul,

who is a big kind of a wrinkle in the story because he's supposed to have enabled all the international sex trafficking through his modeling agency that Epstein was involved with. And she also retracted claims against, who's the third one now? I lose track. George, who is the guy who was the defense secretary?

Right there. The Senate Majority Leader? No. She pretty much de facto retracted claims against Leslie Wexner under circumstances that are still mysterious. By the way, just interject, this is the traffic report that says no visible damage. And then there's a quote from the bus driver

who said there was no way you could get that injury if you were in that car. And he left. He laughed. Right. And this is just one of many things. Like, you know, she wrote this, well, I'll let you finish, Michael,

because there's also her manuscript, but we got to get to that. Yeah, yeah. Okay. Well, another one that she had to retract was in her original fictionalized manuscript that they had to admit years after the fact was fictionalized,

even though it was sold around to literary agents and book publishers as a non-fictional account of her experience with Epstein. She said that she had sex with under duress a Harvard professor named Stephen. You can find out who it is. It's sort of like redacted, but it's this guy, Stephen Costlin, who then she had to retract her claims against. So those are just three. So even if you want to leave aside Dersowitz, just with the same. take of argument. You got plenty of additional material. And

I don't even so much blame Virginia, okay, because she was in the, she was a disturbed person. She thought that she was doing God's work by just accusing everybody under the sun under the auspices of her being an anti-trafficking activist, which is why they brought the lawsuit in 2021 against Andrew,

Prince Andrew, who I still call Prince Andrew, to fund her phony sex trafficking awareness organization that basically just windled money from the British royal family. Okay, which you could say is kind of funny. Just windle money for the kind of late. But so I don't,

like she, she was a mentally disturbed person. Okay. So there's only so much blame you can really dole out to her. It's the whole industry around her. Right. Yeah, exactly. The lawyers, the media, the politicians, the law enforcement, etc. Right.

Those, those who are, those are the ones who I mostly am focused on. And by highlighting the confabulations of her, it's highlighting how credulous this whole industry has been in amplifying and using these claims as sort of the crux of this whole narrative. Well, and this is the kind of sickening part of it when you look at how serious the claims are and you're throwing around words like pedophile and rapists that get to the point where, you know, you're animated and you're protesting. You're thinking about killing the president is that nobody on the Democratic and the Democratic Party wanted to touch this at all. until Cash Patel and Pam Bondi kind of botched how they were going to handle it

because they had so much pressure. They built up so much pressure that now as soon as it became a political liability and that for anybody who doesn't follow me personally, this is my beat. My beat is the political side of it. That's really the only lens in which I have looked at it from any kind of a big perspective. But it's Orwellian. You know, it's like they didn't want to touch it at all. They didn't want to get near it because, you know, Epstein was a gigantic donor to the

Democratic Party for many, many years his entire life, really. And then when it becomes a political liability and they're in the wilderness and they have no, they're kind of flailing for an issue to change the narrative and move them forward politically, now all of a sudden it's the biggest story in the world. And it is a very crass political situation that then turns this into something where now all these claims, which had been out there. There's nothing new under the sun here. All of this had been.

I mean, if you actually, I mean, I know, I look at it from the political angle as well. But, I mean, there is some. So with Trump, right, okay, look, I'm not saying that he's criminally culpable for anything. But it is amazing. So there's this whole right wing counter narrative that just tries to say that Trump had no relationship with them whatsoever. Trump was actually the hero in the story. Trump actually was the one who, you know, threw him out of Mar-a-Lago, no evidence for that ever. Trump is the one who, like, reporting him to the police.

That's flimsy, too. but like for you know Trump for Trump I just found this out recently there was this woman who spoke at this rally over the weekend anushka de Gorgeu who was one of the four witnesses of the Maxwell trial

I didn't know this until I was looking through more Epstein files recently she says and I think this is plausible that she was introduced to Trump during the time that she would have been presumably some kind of sex slave now I think that's a whole fallacy that has to do with the elasticity

of the whole trafficking concept But we have two of the four witnesses of the Maxwell trial, Anuska de Gorghue and Nadia Bjorland, who I think credibly allege, even though they don't allege that Trump did anything wrongful to them sexually, but still that they were introduced to Trump by Epstein and or Maxwell during a period where, if we're taking this stuff at face value, they would have been enslaved in the most prolific sex trafficking ring of all time. So that's something that Trump, you can understand, does not want to explain. His supporters don't want to have to explain. just haven't been privy to any of it.

You know, if, if, if, if, if we're going to take down anybody who ever email Jeffrey Epstein, right, then yeah, we do have to also take down Donald Trump. I'm not saying we should on the merits, but sure relationship was much more extensive with Epstein than like, for example, Bill Clinton's ever was. So that's a political problem for Trump, which, yes, the Democrats see about much more. And they are aided, they are aided by in different ways, this cohort of people on the right. who were screaming about it under the Biden administration, look, like, I don't know, the current FBI director.

So, yeah, yeah. Democrats were, you know, if I was just advising the Democrats from this crass political standpoint, I would say, yeah, hammer this issue, because then you could exploit fishers in the Republican coalition, boom, and it's worked. Oh, I, I think, I think it is. I mean, my, my point is not to suggest that it either should not have happened from the crass political perspective or that it has been anything but a spectacular success, because if you look at the narrative for the Democratic Party,

it is night and day before and after they decided that this was their number one issue. It is just, you know, in the way that many crass political issues are a little ridiculous when you look at what their tone was, you know, on Friday compared to Monday. Yeah, no doubt about that. Metaphorically speaking. I'm saying the political logic was sound logic. Oh, yeah. It's absolutely sound because they were the, you know.

I underrated how resonant this would be in terms because, like, there's always a running narrative that something comes up. it's going to split the mega coalition. Yeah. I do think I sort of undersold the longevity of this issue in terms of being something that could sour, maybe the right-leaning independence on Trump, maybe younger, the ones who are more in tune

with the podcast world, social media, et cetera. I do think it actually has had an appreciable, deleterious political impact on Trump. And it doesn't go away. Trump just yesterday had to come out on 60 minutes and say, I am not a pedophile. Yeah. No, but.

In quoting the manifesto and answering the 60 minutes quoting of the manifesto. Like if you're revising a politician, like even that they're like 100% proven to not be a pedophile, you're probably not going to want them to go out there on primetime TV having to address whether or not they're a pedophile. Well, no. This is the old LBJ thing where he accused a congressional opponent of having sex with pigs and the, the aide says, you know, Lyndon, we can't call the guy a pig fucker. and he goes, let's make the son of a bitch deny it.

Yeah. And that's what this is. And look, Trump having political liability with the Epstein files is not the same as him having any, there being any kind of evidence of pedophilia. Correct. Right. So, yes, it's, he's got, you know, there's an opening for him to be hurt politically by this. There's no question about that.

And it's not. Okay. There are no message pads that were, we're, we're trying. from Epstein's house in Palm Beach that have Bill Clinton on it as having left messages to Jeffrey Epstein. There's lots of Donald Trump calling up the house and leaving

messages for his pal Jeffrey. And also, there's no statement from the personal chef of Jeffrey Epstein saying he would hold dinners at the house. And the number one notable person that he recalls coming to the dinners at the house was Donald Trump. And this was

when he was just pre-apprenticed Trump. Okay? So this is something that the right never wanted to reckon with either as they were going after Democrats like Bill Gates and Bill Clinton and whoever on this subject. There's no way to wrangle out of it if you're going to say anybody who has the most leading connection

to Epstein deserve censure and somehow carve out an exception for Trump. He's implicated. No, nobody's saying that he should have an exception. It's just, it's the concept. The reason this thing is spread. No, I'm against it on the substance of it. I'm just saying just going with the internal logic

of why this is a political liability for anyone, supposedly. It's probably the biggest liability of all for Donald Trump. It just is. Well, he has the most to lose because he's the president of the United States. He's talking about the extensiveness of the connection to Epstein, okay? Yeah. Why do you think Alania came out and gave that statement? Because she knows that there were ties, quote unquote,

if we're using ties as our barometer for evaluating whether somebody's banned by a connection with Epstein. Can I can I ask you this? A conspiracy theory, Tracy? And Bill Clinton had to do a three-hour deposition and they even roped Hillary in. Let me ask you this. This is a conspiracy theory that I heard

about the Melania statement that would be that this was all 5D chess to try to build political pressure to get the survivors under oath. Because that was her claim at the end was that the survivors deserve their day on the record in Congress and that this was to push them

and their lawyers immediately shut that down and we're like, no, absolutely not. They're not going under oath anywhere. I still don't know what that was. What do you think about that? I mean, that's possible. I still don't know what that was exactly. And Michael, I would also say that

the financial relationship between Epstein and the Democratic Party. I mean, there are people like Stacey Plaskett, John Kerry, right? Don't carry. Yeah, John Kerry got the... John Kerry. John Kerry got Gep Hart, Chris Dodd.

You know, they all got, you know, significant amount of money from. But John Kerry wasn't going and, you know, party, wasn't partying with Epstein. And wasn't going to his house for dinner. Wasn't flying around the jet with him. Even, even, even, even Susie, even, even, even Susie Wiles in that crazy thing that she did with, whoever it was that was, you know, building the memoirs and the chief of staffs. where she was just out and out saying a bunch of where, you know, inside the 10 stuff. She mentioned about Epstein that her thought was, hey, look, they were kind of pussy pals in the 80s.

And then they kind of drifted a little bit apart in the 90s and the 2000s, but they were friendly. They were in the social. Not until the early 2000, up to the early 2000s, like 0.4. There we go. Yeah. I mean, the one thing that really saves Trump is that he wasn't an email guy, to be totally honest. Because otherwise, I'm just saying, I'm just saying, look, the reason why Trump, has that Trump decided

that the way he was going to address this is just to call it a hoax and to tell and to threaten Republicans to not sign a discharge petition was that if he had to go through in detail the ins and outs of his relationship with Jeffrey Epstein and the way that Bill Clinton just had to under oath

and even Hillary just had to under oath he would not come out looking well and that's not me saying that from the standpoint of oh Trump is therefore guilty in some kind of grave child sex crime. Okay. It's the political appearance of it. Yeah. Which he's just not going to be able to have a good explanation for.

That's my point. Well, certainly not one that's going to do anything but fan the flames, even though it's, you know, kind of, I don't know, in my mind, it was public record. But yeah, I agree. I mean, there's a reason why he ended the way he did. But bringing this back to the journalism meta story, okay? For, for, to even bring up any of these underlying fallacies, I can finally let's get back to journalism.

It's now it's now it's now denounced as harassment. It's now denounced as you are aggrieving some harassed party or something to even bring this stuff up

which is why at a gathering that's ostensibly bringing together you know, independent-minded adult journalists on a weekend it's supposed to be celebrating freedom of speech the instant it comes up, what happens?

Security comes in and gets shut down and you get thrown out, okay? So that's where we're at on this story where you can't even, like, go through these issues in any kind of sensible way because people are so emotionally royal by it and so on Hair Trigger Alert about it to shut down any kind of countervailing perspective that it leads to just a constant cascade of fiascos, at least...

From my perspective. I mean, maybe I'm just such an abrasive guy that like, you know, somebody who else was more reasonable and well-mannered could do it. But I don't know. There is a little, there is a little bit of that. But, but Michael, I mean, look, we all know that this, this has been a pattern with a whole bunch of stories dating back, you know, 15 years now. And, you know, it was certainly true with Russiagate that there was ostracization of people who, who stepped out of bounds. In this story, even, you know, Megan Kelly, with.

her barely legal comment when she sort of kind of tried to pry open the issue of is it really pedophilia she got stomped on really quickly um with covid you know think about the people who who came out and said maybe we shouldn't close the door and the lab leak thing as quickly um you know not even proposing a concrete theory they they were shut down pretty pretty hard the press has become very insular in terms of protecting narrative. I would say that's that's gotten less, right? I mean, or at least the power to hammer people has gotten less with each of those.

Like, you know, before with Russiagate, you had a really intact major media ecosystem where you could just toss people to fuck out and unperson them, and then that would be kind of that for the way that somebody at a certain level would make a living. And now substack is like in the journal in crowd, right?

Exactly, yeah, but now it's like there is it, there is an element where it's like, okay, all that happens is that we missed the last hour of the substack party, which, you know, considering the views, probably not the worst tradeoff in the world. 2016 election was kind of a similar story. I'm not going to relitigate this map, but I think there's like another sort of side plot here with the 2024 election, which is with an even bigger media failure from my perspective, but let's not rehash that because I know it's a source subject. But yeah, I mean, I agree. It's just like, I just think that there's something, there's something particular about this story. Like, it's not as though you were a pedophile if you descended from Russiagate, okay? It's not as though you were the worst thing that you could possibly be accused of a traitor. If you dissented to Russia,

that's why there was this little cohort of anti-Russiagate people that eventually became like the, the default view in the Republican Party party to be critical of Russia gate, right? I don't see a default view emerging where people are critical. of the legitimacy of claims to Epstein survivorship. No. No. If anything, they're probably going to pass that legislation, Virginia's law, to abolish the statute of limitations.

Which is fucking insane. That's going to be accused of a traffic. It could be sued for a trafficking offense from like 1991. Well, especially when we've just totally fucking stretched beyond the level of, you know, reasonable definition what trafficking is. Also, here's another wrinkle. Okay, this is funny. So I was.

Keep all your hose in state is all I'm going to say. From here on out, all the hos need to be in state. So one thing that Julie Kay Brown, the scumbag, loves to do is to give total credence to anybody's claim of trauma. Trauma is like this metaphysical concept now. We discussed it in previous episodes. Now you see like a little bit of an emerging narrative where the press and the Trump administration once arched nemesis, now they're all trauma bonded because they all went through this harrowing experience where they had a pretty call for 45 seconds.

under a table because of a shooting that occurred like four rooms downstairs and down the hallway. Can we look at two things? Can we see SOT 3, which is just the video, and then SOT 10, which is the FPs,

Olivia Ryingold, giving a little monologue from under a table. This is great. Let's do three first, though, just so we can get an idea of the action. Kind of got a blazing saddles kind of feel to it. Wow, man. Kick the music up.

Apparently Trump, so that guy, Oz Perlman, who's supposed to be the host, he's like, he does the tricks and things. Yeah, the mentalist. He's a mentalist. He was under the table with Trump, but he said he was, he thought there was like a real active shooter situation in the room because of how violently that the Secret Service grabbed Trump and tackled him to the ground. But they, oddly enough, did that after a significant delay,

Vance got dealt with much earlier than Trump did. It was a little bit of an odd. From what I was told today, I interviewed somebody who was in the room for the show that's coming out on Wednesday. And he said nobody really in the room thought that it was anything other than a dropped trade of or tray of plates because they were just getting into serving the dinner course.

Because as Michael points out, it wasn't even on the same floor. If you've never been to the Hinkley Hilton, the floor that he was running through. Yeah, this is where Reagan was shot in 1980. This was where Reagan was shot, which Hinkley came out and said, you should stop doing things there,

which, you know, look, he should know. But that's a very, it's a very far distance from where everybody was. So nobody really in the room thought of it. It was only when people in the room started saying gun, gun, gun, gun, gun, that everybody started getting down. So that's kind of the reason why everything was delayed

was because people didn't even really, it was from when you heard somebody saying gun, not from when everybody heard the same thing. They were in such fear for their lives that the journals, like while they were hunched under the table, they could start taking selfie videos of themselves. Yeah, let's listen to this. From Olivia Rangel.

She makes sure she looks good first. We're just seated over. I'm seated here one of the doors. Zay! Hey. See, doing. People are shouting USA now. I don't know.

I just heard like... That was Dan Scavino, the social media guy. Try to start a USA chant. Did he really? Yeah. It's a great ballroom, though. Is that a selfie stick? Probably.

Yeah, it must be. No, that's about... That might be the point five. I think the reason why people were freaked out was not because of like the actual incident. It was because the place got swarmed so quickly with like armed guys who they weren't exactly sure who they were. Well, I mean, yeah, but that's when you have half the cabinet and the president and the vice

president there. Things are going to fucking pop up pretty quickly. Of course. I just think it's funny that now, like, there's this whole phenomenon of the media and the Trump administration feel like, like their trauma bonded. Like, Dasha Burns from Politico says that she was, she was hiding under her table holding the hands of the wife of the current U.S. trade representative. So now they'll always remember how in that moment they were bonded together in this moment. of trauma. That sounds like a penthouse forum letter.

I never thought it would happen to me. And then Chris Best, when this happens out his throbbing man shaft. When I heard what I thought were the plates clattering, I didn't know that my pants were to follow. Actually, you know what? This would be a hot scenario now that I think about it.

I mean, well, this is the thing I will say was insufferable, was that I saw multiple different people that were talking about this, that when they left and they went to a bar around where the Hilton was, or at least where they could get to a bar outside of the lockdown area,

they were upset that the bar did not have the news on, that they were playing whatever the NBA playoff game or whatever was, and that this is America tuning out, and it was media self-importance. And look, considering we are here to talk about a media fight,

we're not really going to be able to be without sin we're talking about media navel gazing let he was without uh you know media profile cast the first and i've got a i've got a particularly gross navel to gaze at speaking of that julia k brown if you're listening or tara because i know you guys might have been streaming today or something please bend down hucker your lips and plant a big fat kiss on my hairy, disgusting ass, okay? Do it. And then claim harassment. I mean, to the Olivia Rangeld clip,

like, part of this is that we're all influencers now, right? Like, this is, this is part of it. This is part of the reason why, like, I think ultimately, uh, Michael, the fact that you became the marauding Hampton in a combatant, combatant is something that is now outshined whatever the bullshit was in that moment that would have otherwise made you look worse. Like this is, this is the game that we all play on some level is that we are all the main characters in a, in a little story that people can follow. And I think that you can do it responsibly. That's just the game it is now. You can do it

responsibly and try to educate people along the way and be proud of the work that's how do I get out or you can fucking sell out. No, you're too good. You're too good. You can't get out. Listen to my mom. Become like a real estate lawyer. No, but that's the reason why Olivia Ryan Gold records her face and not like everybody else who's holding it up

and pointing it toward the stage and getting boring video. She got good video because she's an attractive woman hiding in what might be an active shooting scenario. Like that's fucking way more compelling than her doing the 11th. Also, I have to say,

it is really invigorating to get to scream shots fired, shots fired, like whatever the situation. I got to do that once in Portland. at a protest where there actually were shots fired in 2020 and I could like announce

shots were fired. It's just a cool thing to get to announce. Yeah. Nice. Nice. Well, speaking of role of media, can we see number 28? Keith Oberman has now delivered the holy writ on our proper roles

going forward. We are we should not be attending events like the correspondent center, which I agree with. I've never gone to that thing and I never will. But he says you shouldn't go unless you are protesting. If you're not

protesting, you're not a journalist. Once again, if you are attending tomorrow's correspondence dinner and you are not planning to actively protest the presence of Trump and the henchmen and yet you claim to be a journalist and a patriotic American, you are neither a journalist nor an

American. Stand for something. I don't know. I might go. I've never been invited to the main dinner, but I might go and just behave the same way that I did with Julie Brown with people. Or meaning I wouldn't be putting on airs. I wouldn't be like pretending that I'm really fond of anyone. I would use it as another journalismism.

This is not supposed to be a serious night. It's literally the reason why this night matters in D.C. is because D.C. is a company town that has two different industries, government and media. And this is the dinner where this is the banquet where both of them get together and they both slap each other on the back and they feel important. But there's also an element of carnival to it.

Stephen A. Smith was at the fucking event. Like that's the kind of thing that. Well, that's, that's true. Yeah, he's measuring the drapes. But like, there's, there's an element of silliness to it that I think is kind of lost. I will say this, my friend who was at the event, who was hiding under the thing. And for whatever we can look at it now, I can understand in the moment when you don't know whether or not there is an active shooter that's, you know,

column binding his way through the hallways. It's, it's, it's, hey, look, I'm just saying I can understand it from the other. You have to go down in a haze of bullets, so be it. I mean, you weren't very willing to fight Jim Acosta in front of a Hampton it. So I'm going to take your bravery at face value. But, uh, he leaves and he's walking to go get an Uber. And he's sitting in his, uh, tuxedo with his friend, holding a bottle of wine that they took from the table and a,

car stops in front of them, rolls down the window and screams, I hope you had fun with your pedophile president and then takes off. That is, that is just my friend who is leaving the, the Hilton, they're waiting for their Uber and it takes a million, you know, it takes like 20 minutes for the Uber to get there.

And while that's happening, this guy rolls up, rolls down his window, screams, I hope you had fun with your pedophile president. I mean, it is amazing that this is the number one counter-trump narrative. It is.

So, Yes. The weekend that Trump launched the Iran War, there was a protest at Trump Tower in New York. And you know what? The people were protesting, not the Iran War. They're protesting. Epstein shit and screaming pitiful. Yeah.

This is what I don't get. Like Trump does seem like an entire civilization is going to die tonight. It's okay for us to bomb civilian infrastructure because they're willing to suffer. But people have to go after like, you know, they got to go off. this invented narrative about pedophilia, there's just, there's plenty of real shit. This has been true since the beginning of the Trump era.

Yeah. And it only helps him, I think, in the end. Even though he's got vulnerability politically with Epstein, ultimately fake news stories about him, like, that's what's, he's survived off of this. No, but Matt, eventually over the course of Russiagate, okay, the Republican Party and its associated media organs

decided we are going to take on the Rushagate narrative head on, right? Nobody's doing that with the pedophile stuff, except our half serious attempt here on this podcast, I guess. Right. So it's not like people are getting the corrective information about Epstein. No, they're not. Nobody's getting it. Yeah. But I don't know what outlet.

I don't know what outlet would. It was a phantasm narrative that the Democrats latched on to as well when there was plenty of real stuff that they could have latched on to. but they went with the phantasm. Likewise with pedophile gait and Epstein, but the difference is nobody wants to put themselves out there and, you know, take the hits for actually countering the Epstein narrative except in very narrow instances where they'll say, oh, look, Trump himself is not to blame,

but go ask, but Larry Summers and Reid Hoffman and Bill Clinton, they're to blame, right? So there's kind of like validating the underlying legitimacy of the narrative, but trying to carve out an exception for Trump, which is just not going to work. No, they have to go after the whole thing, but everybody's terrified to do it. Well, because who wants to deal with...

You get kicked to the curve with Justin Young on your ass from the Substac Party. That I think, I don't know. I don't know how much... I mean, obviously this starts from the fight that you are having with Julie K. Brown about things that she has said about you, about your coverage about this.

But that was... That was more just people being Pussies about like raised voices. But there's definitely a cooties factor with this story. Well, who wants to get in there. Nobody. Man who's trying to intimidate and confront and like physically block the movements of somehow.

This woman who is this heroic truth teller on this story in particular. So that's the context. Okay, it sounds like, let me ask, let me ask you a question. We're arguing about like our differing views on tax policy. If she were, if she were to look you in the eye and say, fuck you, Michael Tracy, I don't want to talk to you. Would that have changed anything?

It's a better answer. In what sense? Like, would, would that have been it? Would you have said your piece? You could have said, fuck you. She said fuck you. And then that would be. I mean, I might have asked the question a couple more times and then moved on, I guess.

I mean, the thing was she immediately started to do with this invasion thing where, oh, that was immediately under threat by my mere presence. Which is exactly what the Epstein survivors do. Hence why they have this security protocol that that gets activated, the minute that I'm spotted at any one of their stupid events nowadays, where I'm surrounded by a posse of five security or quasi-security people to make sure I can't talk to anyone. That was Julie Brown's mini version of it.

Yes. And by the way, she's now calling on the entire media industry to denounce me, which, okay, please do it. And then as you're doing it, kiss my sweaty, disgusting. ass. And look, this is the, they've essentially fixed the problem of Russiagate, right? For three years it held, nobody wanted to really go against it. A few of us who did got pissed on enough that it scared off most of the other reporters.

I mean, look at what, you know, Glenn has the New Yorker profile, the bane of their resistance. they do like a 5,000 word fucking feature about him, calling him a racist basically for, you know, not going along with Russiagate. But that, you know, it's not, it's not emotionally powerful enough to,

to scare people away. This one is, like nobody wants to deal with being the person who, who doesn't support the survivors. And with Russiagate, you had an alternative, like a burgeoning alternative media ecosystem. system that was assisting in the refutation of some of the Russiagate nonsense.

This time they're all, they're the most fanatical in pushing the Epstein stuff. Okay. So you have even less infrastructure in place to challenge Epstein slash PeddoGate as you did with RussiaGate. Because the alt-media guys all say, oh, we know, we're just into the infrastructure. intelligence connections angle. We're not doing the female coded version of the story where we're like about all about lifting up the voices of the survivors. We're in the James Bond espionage thriller story.

And also we can like grind our acts about Israel. Israel. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. So there's even less of an appetite. So this is why it's not even comparable to Russia. No, but it's it's the same idea. It's just better.

The backlash. The backlash you're saying is the same. The idea that like there are things for which. not be talked about. Okay, so now, where is Molly Hemingway? So she, she's the one of the federalist. I mean, they did some good stuff on Russiagate from a partisan Republican perspective. Fine. You're allowed to have a partisan Republican perspective. Have you seen Molly Hemingway doing any anti-petto nonsense reporting? I have, I mean, I don't, I haven't seen it. Because she hasn't. So that's what I'm talking about in terms of the cacophony of voices that were contributing to the counter-Rush

narrative. It's now a shell of that for the Epstein stuff, hence why it's more of a political problem for Trump. Yeah. Yeah. And some of that also is the commercial dynamic, though, because the story is just, it's, you know, it's, it's a mint for anybody who's got a podcast. Well, it's, it's lurid, you know, it has sex and money and international shit. And, yeah. Yeah, but this, yeah. Golden showers? Yeah, I mean, but they peed on the bed. They didn't pee on him.

Like, that was just even a shitty story to sell. It's ridiculous. Golden showers fill your eyes. smiles awake you when you rise. There we go. Michael Tracy is Paul. And he sings. And he sings.

I'm a jack of all trades, master of done. No, so Ressigate had obvious holes that reporters could dig at, like the alt media. But the Epstein thing, the holes are even more obvious, I think. They're, you know, the stuff that people are saying is so completely whacked out and unsupportable. It's way beyond, you know, the- Julie K. Brown's entire output, her entire. Ovoire. Same with Tara Palmeri or any of these other acts.

You pull one thread and the entire house of cards collapses to mix a metaphor. But nobody doesn't. Well, I mean, that's the role that you played, Mr. Tracing. That's why that's why. Yeah, but that's why people are paying attention to you. I got that coming in the rear because he could

no longer, he could no longer countenance it eventually. But in terms of like being a prime mover on it, I can only do so much. Well, I think also there's a shame in the idea that people aren't taking this kind of stuff more seriously. And the reason why is, as you pointed out, it is counter to narratives that have been set up specifically through Me Too about, you know, denouncing survivors. I mean, I'll put it this way. I recorded my drunk recounting of what went on and I did scare quotes around survivors as I was describing Julie K. Brown.

And there were some people that were not, please. Take goodbye to your career. You and Jim Acosta are going down the tubes together. Yeah, so it's like there's not, there's not a whole lot of nuance there. But at the same time, I think this is part of the reason why substack, and this is where, I will say, substack is in a situation where, like, if they were to, you know, de-platform people that were reporting on this, then we would probably be more back in some of the Russia gate, you know, territory.

I have no indication that that's the case. Well, no, I know for a fact that they're not going to do it because they were asking. They're not going to do it. No. They've been in that position six or seven times. I know for a fact because they were telling me to post the shit I posted on Twitter on notes. So like they are into the idea. But it would be interesting to have like a substack files where we see like what algorithmic tinkering they do to maybe, you know, showcase people like a Jim Acosta or a Chrysala or whomever that come newly to the platform.

Yeah. And they sort of hype up a bit. I'm not saying that they can't get followings on their own to some extent. But I don't know. I mean, there could be a little bit of monkeying in the background in terms of... Yeah, I don't know. I think when you downshift from cable news to paid, like, crowdsource stuff, like you could probably expect about 8% of the audience that watched you on a regular basis that would pay money for you.

So I refuse to believe. And we did this, when we did the worst podcast tournament, Chris Saliza was like an afterthought entrant. I just don't quite believe that. Chris Saliza can organically like garner. So Liz is a poster, dude. No, I'm going to defend Saliza. So this is a poster.

That motherfucker is out there with like eight videos a day. Like the one thing that I will say is like, uh, anybody, he's doing the work. Like if you're, if you're like Jim Acosta and you have one thing every week or you're fucking Ryan Liza and you're like,

oh, the only thing I can do is like, throw up my ex-fiance's dirty underwear. And other than that, I'm going to do coding tutorials for Claude. Like you're, you have, no fucking actual talent.

You were just reliant on an ecosystem. So Lizza fucking out there every day doing the 20 craziest thing that Trump said today. Every fucking day, he is a poster. I will defend solicit. Who is organically subscribing to Jim Acosta? Resistance blue skylights. Is it just resistance blue people? Yes, that's it.

That's it. I have no idea. He is. By the way, Justin, you've gotten your hair. has a little bit of a begrudging compliment, but you, but you, the overall thing says you're,

I've turned him around. I turned them around. There we go. I knew it. I knew I could do it. I like it. Here we go. I need to start following Justin.

Thank you, book wench. Thank you. This is your reward for loyally sticking by. For standing by you. Ejected from. Exactly. I mean,

not, you know, too bitter about this whole thing, but the presence of all these Chrysalizza and, uh, and Jim Acosta, not only their presence at Substack, but to have the temerity to, to think that they can throw somebody out,

uh, you know, when this was a place that, that people like me had to go because, essentially we were squeezed out of their fucking sandbox and, in, uh, commercial media,

um, I don't know, there's something so offensive about that. But to get back to the topic, you know, I think this whole thing in combination with the Swalwell story, it just shows that there's total paralysis on the subject. Like, nobody is going to go. Yeah. Well, let me go back to the first thing you said, Matt,

because I think that there is a poetic moment. Like, I am an internet crowdfunded dirt farmer, right? Like, this has been my life for fucking 50, years where I found a thousand people that would pay me money and they will pay me money until the day they die and the day I die. Like this is what I do. I make a good fucking living because I work hard for a dedicated audience. And substack has been a part of that because I do think that they have helped me grow. And I'm very happy that this platform, especially compared to Patreon, has been able to do it. That being said, there was, there is a poetic moment to me and Jim Acosta screaming who the fuck are

you back and forth to each other. Right. Yeah. Because that is where we are. now in media is that we're at the same party. We are co-workers and I have great disdain for him and he doesn't know who the fuck I am, but he has to deal with me. Like that's, that is, that is, that is, that is what media is right now. And like, I refuse to accept that I'm a coworker of Jim Acosta in any like it or not. We're all on the fucking ship together. We're all in Deadwood together.

And yeah, he came in on the last trip from fucking, the last train from St. Louis. But I've been mining this goddamn creek for 15 fucking years. and he can suck my ass because I fucking love doing what I do. And I like saying whatever the fuck I say. And I'm happy that he now shows up so I can tell him what I think about him and his dumb work to his dumb face. I mean, the metaphor is, is Titanic.

You guys are in steer. We're all in steerage and he's Billy Wayne, I think. You know, let's just dwell for a moment. Really, let's step outside. What are we in the old west like at a saloon? Well,

you know, I mean, I would have had more respect for him if he actually did just fight me. Like if he actually followed through on the threat, we stepped outside and we fought like Norman Mailer or something. Well, I mean, let's just also understand a thing about television people. They're not selected for either their smarts or their wit.

They're selected because their heads are malformed and the lights shine off them better in a way that makes it cool for the cameras to record them. They're not smarter good people. Like, that is who Jim Acosta is. He's like kind of a trained animal. if he were actually a man and wanted to really escort you, he would come and grab you by the scruff of your collar

and say, Tracy, you're out of here. But no, he wanted to be in back of not only security, but also Julie K. Brown herself. He was yelling over her shoulder too. Like, so he could say, hey, come fight me. Which is just, you know, it's, it's, it's, uh, the kind of telling you commends her on, on, on Twitter saying, thank God for all the, for the true gentleman who came to my aid, she says.

Yeah, no, the, the, Damsel and distress act was incredible. But we've, and we've actually underplayed what a, what a wuss move that is to ask somebody to step outside and then not go outside. Yeah. No. Because I'm,

you know, I'm amped up. I'm saying, oh, let's fucking go, Jim. Let's go. Let's step out right now.

Yeah. In our, in our formal black tie attire in front of the, yes. Yes. I'm pretty, I'm pretty sure that's a felony in man law. Like you.

Exactly. Right. Isn't it? he made me look like he made me look like an alpha male and I'm pretty much the opposite. Cash Patel, please review his man card. I'm submitting a formal, a formal inquiry to Jim Acosta's man card to be seriously reconsidered. I mean,

and that, I mean, media, it's kind of annoying, but that is a funny headline. Yeah. I mean, look,

I don't think anybody on the internet was confused that you were serious about fighting Jim O'Connor. If there's one thing that was made very clear is that you wanted to take every opportunity that if he wanted to complete what he started, he fucking would fight you in front of the head. I'm semi-trumping this for all it's worth. It's the glasses. What is it with those glasses? Do they have a place where they all buy them? Like that's,

uh, are those, it's like the Edward R. Murrow. That's like that out, right? Um, yeah.

Who am I thinking of? Chris, what's his name on MSNBC? Oh, Chris Hayes, yeah. Chris Hayes, yeah. Same glasses. Red Saliza has the same glasses. Yeah, well, it's because they're smart. The thicker your frames are, that means the smart.

That's where you hide your intelligence is in the thickness of your frames. Maybe it's like a, maybe that's a Marvel Cinematic Universe thing. It's like a, it's a thing that they have, like a tool. I don't know. That's how they get activated. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. It's a signal.

I don't know. We're getting a little lightheaded. No, this was a totally messed up episode. You were bully. He says I was bullying Julie Kay Brown by asking her a question. Okay. And then I repeated the question when she was cowardly evading it several times. But now that's bullying and menacing.

and would not let her walk away from you. What does that even mean? So I was, what was I doing? Bear hugging her? Yeah. It's, it's, it's, it's just, it's so ridiculous. I mean, look, I think she was startled, but like, what the fuck is that supposed to mean? Like, what are you supposed to do to that?

Say, my lady, like, I'm sorry that I doth, uh, startled you. Uh, here's my handkerchief. Don't be such a pissy bitch. What do you want me to do? And the other thing is, if you're going to say something about somebody that's, you know, clearly defamatory in public. Yeah. You got to be able, you got to be prepared to, you know, answer the question. Yeah, she runs her mouth, you know, on X, like she's in high school. Right.

And then, again, I didn't, I didn't even know. She wants to be treated like a, like a VIP media elite, whoever, everybody kisses her, discuss, her ass, which is, you know, I don't know how discussing it is compared to mine, but it doesn't matter. She just thinks everybody's going to be on their best behavior around her and just praise her for what a wonderful job. She's done just like all those bullshit journalism industry organizations that shower her with all these garbage plaudits.

And that's just not the way I operate, okay? Julie. I'll just say I didn't know again the facts of the beef. And yes, I will show up to Netflix premiere of whatever this idiotic series is that got optioned. And I will protest it like the people protesting the Trump thing or the White House correspondent I will protest while hold placards of your fabricated quotes from your 2021 book perversion of justice. I will personally protest it.

She's tweeting right now. What is she tweeting? Oh, is she tweeting about this? Are we famous? I don't know. I don't know. Yeah. We'll love to check that out.

You know, when I lived in Moscow, the reporters were afraid to, the Russian ones were afraid to write shit about each other because they were afraid of getting shot. And there's there, there's something to that, you know, I mean, maybe not shot, but a little physical fear wouldn't, wouldn't be terrible, I don't think. I think you have to back up, back it up a little bit or be prepared to back it up if you're going to say something. You know, that's a lie about somebody in public. No, she's just retweeting stuff now. Although she did 23 hours ago give some tips on where to find China on Facebook marketplace. The latest thing I see here say is 15 minutes ago, she's discussing me and she says,

somebody asked her, isn't he me, me, a guy who exists only because of Twitter. I don't know what that means. But she says, no idea. I muted him a long time ago. I can't see any of his posts. Sure. Sure, Julie.

And yet, I'm such a mortal threat to you. Well, you are actually because, you know, if that's stuff about the quotes is real, then she's got a problem. I just,

that is probably the funniest part of, again, the Epstein Cinematic Universe is the idea that with the succession theme playing in the background, there are like eight old men that are like hitting the send

button on their Swiss bank accounts to fund the one man that can turn the tide, Michael Tracy, to be there. Like, that is just, that is just an amazing visual. She's now denying that she

made the accusation that she made. Of course, she insinuated it by saying, oh, who's paying him? I've been wondering this for so long. And she retweeted Tara. He's to disclose him. who his funders are. Right, right.

And then she also does proactively assert that I just go around, you know, for my own enjoyment, harassing the survivors constantly. So that she does proactively make the assertion of. Unbelievable. All right. Well, Justin, thanks for, thanks for hanging out. Thanks for being my white night. Do you have anything?

That's what I like to think of him. Yeah, politics, politics, politics is the substack that you can go. We do, it's a podcast mostly. So that goes live on Wednesdays and Fridays for free. And then you get two bonus episodes if you are paying to subscribe. But yeah, that's that. It was an absolute honor. It's certainly a very fun Saturday night.

Like when I had a choice of like, all right, look, I can either go back to the party and just hang out with a bunch of people who are going to be like, gas that at this or I could go drink with Michael afterward. There is no real choice. It's like I got to go. I got to leave here. So anyway,

you made the right choice. By the way, I never picked my own substack. People should subscribe to that. I should clarify that. M. Tracy. dot net.

But anyway, yes. I also want to plug the Hampton in in D.C. Anyone who can fucking get it, roll up. Anybody who wants to have a boxing nash in front of the Hampton in? Yeah. I used to pay the Hampton in for like 15 years.

I was offered $100,000 by one of the guys who does the All-In podcast to on the Fourth of July in Las Vegas. Really? Yeah. All right. Here, hold that. Tracy, for real, though. Like, you do understand that this has gone viral enough.

And the idea of influencer boxing is a real business that you would have the shot of doing it. We got to do that fight. Where's Michael? Did he disappear? See? You want to know what? They were right. As soon as he gets the real questions, he fucking ducks out.

It's technical. I was so blown away by what you just said. No, if there is an influencer boxing situation where they come and they say, hey. No, because then I would actually have to train and take it seriously, whereas I just wanted to coast on my adrenaline and alcohol-fueled stupor. Just drink. before the fight. Plus boxing's fun, man. I got a heavy bag.

Will you go? Will you be one of the judges, Matt? Judge might be aggressive. I'll be in your corner. I'll do you. Yeah, no, no. Milwaukee. I'm only doing it if the ring is surrounded by bikini. Epstein survivors and bikinis.

We'll also base on the cards. Yeah. Round four. I want Julie K. Julie K. Brown can show up in a one piece, okay? Okay, all right. Based on who you wanted to fight on the way home, your theme song will be who let the dogs out.

I was not going to fight the dog. Dogs are actually sacrosan. If anybody has any matchups, they want to arrange for me, I'm all for it. I would like to fight Greenwald, actually. Come on. Not because I dislike them.

It's just that we both have wanted to kick each other's ass. enough that we should just like let off. Actually, that would be funny. You guys would be a funny for you. So, no, no bullshit. The thing that I was talking to the CEO, Chris Best about before all this shit went down is I was like, look, you guys need to do events. You have

to do substack con. You got to do a bigger thing. Like, you got a lot of talent here. You're going to have a lot of people that'll want to see them. Either talk to each other, there's shittier cons that happened for. I'll do the thing where you throw the bean bag at the dunk tank. And if people want to dunk me in the

that's fun. No bullshit. That could do money. If you put the right substack people in a dunk tank and then, you know, charge whenever you charge, I would enjoy cooking Iglesias. Oh. I would even dunk Matt. I think that would be fun. Yeah, that would be, come on. Taylor Lorenz, who I got along with well. Taylor Lorenz, yeah, that would be interesting.

I'm now a counterintuitive defender of Taylor's. I had a defender on Twitter because people were riding her for being at the Hilton and then not going to the dinner. And since I did the exact same thing and went to the exact same substack party that she went to, I had to point out that that was indeed a thing that people do do. However, she also insinuated that you were forced to take a picture on the step and repeat when you walked into the Hilton, which is definitely not true. Like you were not forced to take a picture on the step and repeat. That was a separate line. Oh, man.

All right. She's a great gal. Michael, you got to start training or drinking or both or whatever. Dustin, thanks again. Thanks everybody for hanging out.

Keith Oberman, if you want to do a fight, I'll definitely get in the ring with you. And we're going back to like the primal origins of journalism. Yeah. Yeah. The physical outfit.

This all outfit would be a lot better if somebody punch each other once in a while. Digital disengagement. that we're now back in the tactile realm, hardcore. It'll be amazing. The Octagon fights. All right, everybody. Thanks a lot.

I hope you haven't lost more than 90% of your respect for us. And we will see you again soon. And take care. This has been today's news.