MTracey podcast - Was Charlie Kirk a "Martyr for Truth"?

Episode Date: September 12, 2025

People are predictably enraged that I had the audacity to write this article yesterday, questioning whether we’re all obliged to sit passively by while Charlie Kirk gets inducted into the pantheon of slain American political saints. But I’m just following Glenn Greenwald’s dictum:We are all taught that it is impolite to speak ill of the dead, particularly in the immediate aftermath of someone’s death. For a private person, in a private setting, that makes perfect sense. Most human beings are complex and shaped by conflicting drives, defined by both good and bad acts. That’s more or less what it means to be human. And — when it comes to private individuals — it’s entirely appropriate to emphasize the positives of someone’s life and avoid criticisms upon their death: it comforts their grieving loved ones and honors their memory. In that context, there’s just no reason, no benefit, to highlight their flaws.But that is completely inapplicable to the death of a public person, especially one who is political. When someone dies who is a public figure by virtue of their political acts — like Ronald Reagan — discussions of them upon death will be inherently politicized. How they are remembered is not strictly a matter of the sensitivities of their loved ones, but has substantial impact on the culture which discusses their lives. To allow significant political figures to be heralded with purely one-sided requiems — enforced by misguided (even if well-intentioned) notions of private etiquette that bar discussions of their bad acts — is not a matter of politeness; it’s deceitful and propagandistic. To exploit the sentiments of sympathy produced by death to enshrine a political figure as Great and Noble is to sanction, or at best minimize, their sins. Misapplying private death etiquette to public figures creates false history and glorifies the ignoble.The above 100% applies to Charlie Kirk, whom none of the people reading this right now would be talking about if not for his public political activities. So yes — I’m going to keep challenging the rapidly-congealing, and groundless, mythology. For instance, today Utah Governor Spencer Cox, who clearly wants to run for president, cited what he made out to be a touching and wise quote from Charlie Kirk, about how we all needed to get off the internet, read the Bible, and re-connect with our friends and family. Cox forgot to mention the context, which was that Charlie was urging his followers to disengage and uncritically “trust” the government during the US-Israeli war on Iran in June 2025. That was the context in which Charlie Kirk was advising that everybody log off and stop complaining about what Trump was doing — that is, mobilizing for war in the Middle East.So yes — I’m going to keep countering this nonsense.By the way, I haven’t forgotten about the plagiarism of Jessica Reed Kraus. She posted a very strange and incoherent “apology” on Wednesday, which I will soon make a point to address. The whole Charlie Kirk thing has thrown me off a bit from what I’d been planning to cover. As the news broke, I was on my way to the Comedy Cellar for this podcast recording. Maybe not the most opportune moment for some laughs, but we made the best of it. I also recorded this Reason podcast last week, and it finally just came out. I think it’s probably the best podcast I’ve done so far on Epstein. I’m headed out to do yet another podcast this afternoon. Will no one rid us of these godforsaken podcasts!!!!! This is a public episode. If you'd like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit www.mtracey.net/subscribe

So, Michael, did you watch the press conference? I did. What else would I be doing? I went on my thumbs? I got to the end when he was answering questions. Anything interesting when Spencer Cox was answering questions? Not really. I mean, he didn't say anything that substantively noteworthy when he was answering the questions.

I mean, my takeaway from his performance is that he's clearly angling to run for president, if at all possible. Didn't you see him at the stupid abundance fest? How dare you insult abundance? Abundance is the light of the future of the country. No, yeah, we did.

I didn't see him. He was, uh, no, he was just, I didn't see him around. He was there. He was there. He gave a talk. You know, the big people, they don't walk around

with the rest of us little people. Probably had to make it to, um, LDS services or something. I guess that's possible. Yes. So, uh, yeah, he was that, he was there.

there. Is he running for president? I don't know. He actually said, I remember during his talk, he's like, and I could tell you the truth, guys, because I have no higher political ambition. Oh, please. Everybody says that. I'm like, oh, okay. Now we're going to. I mean, I'm not saying that he has an actionable plan necessarily to run for president, especially if, you know, the incumbent vice president's going to be running in the Republican primary or whatever. I'm just saying clearly he would want to, if it, if it were at all possible, and this is now going to elevate him even further as a national figure. I don't know how much, like, he is so out of step with where the Republican Party is.

Like, he's so out of step. Like, they want someone who is foaming at the mouth talking about pedophiles conspiracy or theirs. He's like an old kind of Republican from 15, 20 years ago who's like, you know, I just want freedom and faith and, you know. Well, Utah is really idiosyncratic. Well, yeah, I mean, that's why it's hard for, that's why they hate Romney now. that's, I mean, like, Mike Lee became kind of MAGA and good standing, but Spencer Cox is not that.

He would have to be, like, the Republicans would have to be in a completely different mood to have any. Who are we talking about? Spencer Cox, somebody asked, is the governor of Utah, and he gave a whole or rhetorical performance today at the press conference. Why are you so, why are you so cynical? He gave a, he gave a, he told people the facts that he tried to have. No, he didn't just give people the facts. He gave a whole political speech. What do you mean a political speech? He was trying to work. He was trying to do like a John F. Kennedy, I don't know, better angels of our nature imitation. What's from that? I'm not saying there's anything per se wrong with it. I'm just saying that he's trying to elevate his political stature. And it doesn't necessarily mean he's ready for him. He just might think. I'm saying he would, he would have the desire to if he could.

Maybe. I mean, maybe he would, but I don't know, I don't know why you're so cynical about his, his performance. I mean, how is this cynical? How is this cynical? It's so obvious. I don't think it's obvious. He could be ready for president. He could just be. ready to retire and wanting us to come together and caring about the youth. Okay, where should you? Let's all come together then. We'll sing kumbaya. So what did we learn? What does I even mean let's all come together?

People just like saying that. That's just the thing people like to say. It doesn't mean anything. Makes me feel good. Okay, well, he, okay, what did we learn? What, like the Beatles song, Come Together? Okay, I mean, they can get with that. Uh, right now.

What is over here? Over me? Over me. Over me. And then there's the, the iconic baseline. Okay. Uh, well, anyways, uh, Spencer Cox, um, anyway, what did we learn from this press conference? We learned, I think, I mean, I think, I think.

Well, okay, so here's the, can we, I don't know, I'm going to play this because this was the most amazing part to me that I had to just clip out because this, um, makes me question how certain we can be about who this shooter was. Okay. So I don't know if you saw this, but I'm going to play it just on a computer. I did. I know what you're going to play. Unfired casing.

So this is Spencer Cox talking right now, right? And he's reading a loud messages that were apparently engraved on the ammunition casings that were recovered from the wooded area that the shooter left behind, right? So here we go. Unfired casing read, oh, Bella Chow, Bella Chow, Chow, Chow. and a third unfired casing red. If you read this, you are gay, L-M-A-O. So Bella Chow, someone told me some anti-fascist slogan, right?

Yeah, but I don't know what the modern usage of it is. People are also telling me that, like, anti-lockdown protesters were chanting it in Italy. So I don't know. It's dedicated. I've never, I thought so those were pretty sophisticated anti-lockdown protesters. I don't know. It's Italian resistance song who fought Nazi Germany. Germany. Yeah. Look, the gay's thing is like a Groybork kind of humor. That's what I'm saying. I mean, that's what I'm saying. I mean, that sounds like rightoid humor to me or rightoid rhetoric. Yeah, right. That's right-eyed rhetoric. This is more kind of left. But the other thing is he said, the bigger thing I thought was when Cox said the family, talked to the family, and the family, somebody said he'd become radicalized and he thought Charlie Kirk was full of hate. That to me is more directly relevant. Unless he was full. I don't. I don't. I don't. I don't.

No, I mean, it wasn't clear. I would have to go back and check. I thought that Spitzer Cox was relaying what the family member said, not necessarily this guy. Like the family member was talking to this guy. Well, okay. So, yeah, they were talking together. Yeah, I thought that, yeah, I think that's right. But it was like the kid was all, the guy, he was also political and he also did have liked Charlie Kirk.

But he could not like him from a rightoid perspective. Do you think it's, do you think it's likely that like, I don't know. I'm just saying it's still an open question. But I think it's much like. So, like, this family member did not like Charlie Kirk because he was full of hate. And then the, he also talks about him. He hates him because he's maybe a groper. But so he has different reasons.

I'm just saying it's possible. Okay. You don't know yet. If that's, if that. Because, I mean, the guy is not obviously, like, the stuff that's already come out about him doesn't show that he's obviously like an Antifa type. Yeah, yeah. Or a trans or whatever. We've seen a lot.

What happened to that Sky Valdez? Did you see this? Was that completely, that was completely. I guess. I guess it was fake. I mean, people just make up all kinds of stuff. Yeah, it's always wrong. The first thing is all wrong.

And I saw even things later that was like. I mean, the first guy that they threw on the ground and that there were photos that came out of, it seemed like an older guy. I assumed that maybe, that was probably the suspect, although how can I possibly know? But when I first saw him, I thought it was like some, you know, older like quote unquote boomer liberal or something who was radicalized, kind of like the shooter at the congressional baseball game or the congressional softball practice in 2017, who was an older sort of like, like hardcore Rachel Maddow

like follower. So I thought that might have been it, but apparently not. Yeah. Look, it's very interesting because the base rate is somebody who hates Charlie Kirk, 90%, like if you just took the population of people who hate Charlie Kirk in America, like 90% of them are probably leftists and probably

10% of them are far right corporates. But that 10% still quite a few people. That's quite a few people, but just like odds. And then also, you know, remember the, think about the assailant in that mass shooting last month at the Catholic Church with the children attending mass, which was, I mean,

that maniac who did it was around the same age, I think it was 23. He was apparently trans or gender fluid of some kind, but like almost same age, right? And his political motivation, insofar as any motivation could be discerned, was just like omnidirectional trolling. Like, it was just like shock value. He threw out whatever he, he could, like he threw everything at the wall and, yeah, and saw what stuck, right?

So, and like, there were some potentially left coded messages, some potentially right coded messages. It was just a mismash of everything. So I don't know that that would also apply to this guy. I'm just saying that there could be like some underlying sort of trolling style impulse here. It's not like neatly political or partisan in the way that a lot of people want to just reflexively assume. I think you're right.

you know, it's, and the fact that he, they had political discussions is like kind of a key because a lot of these people, they come out and they're like, oh, I never heard of him ever talk about politics. Right. And so like that's, that's a lot of cases. So that, that was the shooter, the Trump shooter. Um, this case is not. He was talking to people about politics. So I'm guessing he had. What's way? I mean, who knows what it was even relayed to the police? I mean, all we have like one second or third hand account that the governor. Yeah. Well, so we don't know. We got to wait. Really is trying to. Is trying to. It really is trying to. It really is trying to. It really is trying to. It really is trying to. I mean. I mean. It is trying to. It is trying to. I was. I was. I was. I was. I was. I to get the, it is trying to give the impression that he was a Trump hitter, right? Because he talks about, he talks about, you know, during the questioning, he said, oh, it said, catch this fascist. And you can, he's like, oh, you can, you can, I think that speaks for itself. And then when he relayed that conversation they had about Charlie Kirk, it was, I think it was ambiguous. I think you're right. It sounded like he was saying the family member thought he was so hate, but he was trying to, he was, why would he even bring up the, why would he bring up the family member? Who cares about the family member's opinion of Charlie Kirk.

The only way you would is if you want to imply that that's also Tyler Robinson's. I mean, the guy might have hated Trump. He would have hated Trump for the same reason that he hated Charlie Kirk. I'm saying he could hate him from a right-doid perspective. I mean, maybe. But Spencer Cox brings up the family member and says the family member was, didn't like Trump for, or didn't like Charlie Kirk. Makes it clear for left-to-agreasons because he's full of hate.

That's not something like a Groyper would say. that is a left-wing perspective. But that could also be Spencer Cox's like characterization. Yeah, but he, okay, why did he choose that characterization, though? I'm saying Spencer... I don't know, I'm telling you. He probably wants to run for president. You're not following what I'm saying.

No, I'm following. I'm saying that what's the way Spencer Cox portrayed this indicates that Spencer Cox was trying to give the impression that this guy did not like... Yeah, he probably was speculating just like we're speculating right now. I mean, it can be dangerous to speculate. Yeah. Well, I mean, maybe he knows something. All we have is what's available, what's known.

Yes. And so, you know, I would imagine that more information will be coming out pretty quickly. And so Spencer Cox, I mean, unless he, so this would, okay, yeah, okay. So Spencer Cox at least thinks that. And so if he thinks that, you know, there's probably not. Like Spencer Cox might even, might not even be that aware of, like, right-leaning youth culture. Yeah. And how there is a subset that would be hostile to Charlie Kirk.

He would not get the Groyper signals. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I mean, like with Spencer Cox, like the governor of Utah, Mormon, like, you know, Goody Two Shoes, would be even familiar with that stuff? Yeah, yeah, he would, yeah, that's funny. He would just get out there ahead of this and then he would kind of misinterpret everything. I can imagine him just assuming that anybody who disliked Charlie Kirk enough to shoot him and also just like Trump would have to be liberal or left. Yes, I think that's right. And then this guy also had a high, did you see his ACG score?

His mom posted his SACP. Is that real? I mean, who knows? I mean, that guy is posted. The guy who posted it is a real journalist as far as I do. I don't know. He was covering the,

what's his name? He was covering the, uh, Tony Ortiz. He was covering the Charlie Kirk stuff. He was like, Tony Ortiz. Yeah.

Uh, and then it says, yeah, he says, you know, it says 99th percentile of, uh, what is this?

Composite US Rec 99. Not current revolt, right? Yeah, yeah, that guy. Okay, what is current revolt?

Uh, I don't know. No, but he was... I mean, I'm wary. I mean, it's possible that it's... I would have to just double check. Yeah. Okay.

It has his like ACT-I-D. You're right. I shared it. Maybe I shouldn't have got two hundred... It's got a lot of things. You're right. Maybe I should have been... I trusted Ortiz.

But anyways. Yeah. If you want to do statistically, he's like a white male... I mean, you have to have some degree of intelligence, right? I would think to pull off a shooting that was like, you know, expertly executed. It was like a perfect... shot. Yeah.

Right? He must have been gay. Well, this is the thing. He's a white male from Utah, not apparently trans or anything. He, uh, he was good with a gun. Yeah. He managed to escape at least for a while. Yeah, about to escape for a while.

So he's probably smart and he's a white male. He's from, like Luigi in the New York thing. He was, he was obviously intelligent. Yeah. And he also went to a good, he also had a good standard. Yeah, he went to, where did he go? Was a UPenn or? I think it was pen.

Yeah. So, yeah. These smarter shooters are able to get up. Although Luigi was kind of schizophrenic, though. Well, this guy, we don't know yet. Luigi is kind of seems like he's out of his mind. Maybe to some extent, but he did have an underlying intelligence that enabled him to pull off that the... I mean, maybe.

We don't know. Like, he could have gone crazy. He could have lost his mind and then wasn't very intelligent. We don't know if he still remained intelligent. He wasn't least intelligent at one point. Oh, you know, but here's my point is it requires advanced planning. it requires some degree of like presence of mind where you're able to execute the plan. Um,

so you have to have some kind of mental capacities going on that probably some just like, you know, schizo psycho person who's like totally mentally unstable and really dumb wouldn't be able to pull off. Yeah. I mean, Cruthers, another one. The, uh, what is Tom, a Crooks? What's his name?

The guy Thomas Cooks. Crooks. Yeah, he was intelligent too. He had three names, right? Thomas Cooks. Yeah, Crooks. I mean, anytime there's a shooter and they have a middle name, somehow automatically they're referred to by their like all three names, even if they didn't really go by their minimum. Thomas Matthew. Matthew Cooks. Yeah, he was intelligent. He was going to, wasn't he going to transfer to Carnegie Mellon? He was known as a smart guy. And again, yes, you're right. I think if you're an assassin who picks someone who is very important, like Trump or Charlie Kirk, like if you just shoot some kids or something, you know. You're probably, you have no greater goal. You're probably just a crazy. Yeah, like the psycho who opened fire on the church with the school kids in the pews did not seem intelligent. Just seemed like a lunatic who was like really unstable and crazy. Oh, by the way, he was telling, yeah, that's right.

He was messaging his friend that he was. That's like sitting ducks, right? There's no real skill required to, like, stand outside of a church, some church windows and just open fire. Although this guy was messaging. And then they got killed himself. He was messaging on Discord to his friend telling him, you know, I've just hit the gun and so forth. We learned from the press conference. Yeah, I mean, possibly.

I mean, I would have to, you know, a lot of stuff would need to be verified. I would not. I know, but it's a press conference is a press conference. Like stuff is said that's not always right. I mean, that's a pretty specific thing. They say the FBI went to his friend. They said the friend pulled up. Go watch the original Epstein press conference when he was arrested.

Did they say stuff that specific? Yeah, I mean, they did just exaggerate. I mean, obviously there's a whole whole... No, they were like... This is a hugely politically radioactive issue right now, so you've got to use some critical detachment. They were directly quoting. They said that they...

Okay, maybe so. I mean, I'm just saying you have to just reserve full judgment at this point. That's all I'm saying. Especially with a breaking new story with like rapid developments. Yeah, but... Yeah, you're right, but...

I mean, why are you so desperate to draw, like, definitive conclusion. Because I think we can, I think we can trust a press conference. Like, I think we can. Oh, we can? Oh, we can? Just because Spencer Cox went to abundance, you trust him that much? It's a sign of his good bipartisan nature. If it was Governor Abbott, if it was Governor Abbott of Texas or something, you would trust him that much? I would say, yeah, this is a right or he's probably just inventing stuff. Yeah, this guy is bipartisan and plugged into the abundance crowd. So, yeah, no, I think that they get their facts straight when they're doing a press conference. It's not like he was speculating willy-nilly. He was like saying during the Q and A, I can't answer this, I can't answer that.

I don't trust like everything I see on the internet right away, but like I take things more likely true than not if law enforcement or published a situation. We'll probably know more in like a few hours. Okay, then why do you want to stream then? We should just tell everyone. We should just tell everyone. Well, because there's some other interesting. I mean, there's some other interesting.

Because I thought we're going to talk about whether we should honor Charlie well, okay, yeah, go ahead. Okay, yeah, we got side track. But yes, okay, so you wrote an article. You took a very brave stand. I'm so brave. Thank you, everyone. Shower me with praise for my bravery.

I should be the martyr, I guess. I wanted to give like a take on Charlie Kirk, but I thought maybe not. I thought maybe I just go after the writers who were just foaming at the mouth for Civil War. I avoided actually saying anything negative about Charlie Kirk. So you cucked. Yeah, I cucked.

But then you shamed me 24 hours later. I got my take out there faster at least. So 20, that's... I was busy the night that it happened. I was at the comedy seller in New York doing a... A long planned podcast. You were in person? That's great.

I used to be on Nobes. I've been on Nobes. Oh, yeah, yeah, you were on that. I said, yeah, no, I went in person. I had done it in person before a few years ago. No, you ever going to try stand-up comedy? That would be very funny. No, I don't find comedy that funny.

I've done stand-up comedy before, actually. I did it in college. I brought the house down. I can imagine. You were very funny, yes. You don't like comedy? Do you like comedy shows? No, I don't find it that funny.

Do you like TV shows that are comedies? No? I mean, I like every now and then. There are a couple of, I like curb your enthusiasm and stuff. But like, I don't like comedy that much as a genre. I feel like it often can seem contrived. Like, I like humor when it's organic or incidental. Yeah.

You know, like the Sopranos is like the funniest show ever. Yeah, it is. But it's not a quote comedy show. That's true. That's true. It was originally meant to be a comedy show. You know that? Yeah.

I mean, the pilot, the first episode is a little bit more like a slapstick kind of comedy. Where those like that, the car chase and stuff and, like, when he gets out and beats the guy up. Yeah. And, like, Carmela has a machine gun at one point. Like, the tone in that first episode is, like, significantly different than the remainder of the series. Yeah, anyways. So, uh, the, um, uh, so, yeah, on this, on this idea. So there was, uh, the Ezra Klein article got a lot of attention.

Oh, everyone was so thankful for how measured and responsible as well, Klein was, I wish you had never pointed out to me that Ezra Klein has that little tattoo creeping up on his shoulder and is like in the podcast like a picture because it's so annoying. I don't even know why. It's just like he clearly wanted that to be peeking out

so like everybody knew he had like a little bit of an edge to him or something. Yeah, yeah, that's true. Well, I mean, he's grown a big beard. He hasn't put that at the picture yet. His beard keeps getting thicker and thicker as time goes on. He's such a wimp. and then he and then Ross Doutha

Did you read Dautha? I'm quoted by Ross Dauvin What are you kidding? I'm cited in Ross Dauvin I'm talking about the Charlie Kirk thing Oh in the Charlie Kirk thing No but the day before Ross Douth Okay I don't we know that I wonder

Yes the Ross Douth had a No I mean I'm hey I've made it to the New York Times I've actually been in it before Thanks to Ross Douth and maybe some other stuff But like my Epstein coverage It's been you know It's sweeping the media lens Skate, Richard.

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, Dauphin decided my work, too. Okay, good for you. So you could brag. I could brag, too. It's all right.

So, so, anyways, your take, yeah, so, you know, Ross Dath, it's like, and, you know,

remember I was talking about how I don't like podcasts? Okay, Ross Dathet does have a good podcast. So he's the, he's in the point zero one percent of podcasts that are actually decent. Right.

But he was like, Charlie Kirk represents a kind of, I think he said mass culture, conservatism. Yeah. I mean, yeah, he talked about that.

he said he was like, he said he was like, kind of, he made conservatism a little bit cooler. He said it wasn't like old, like nerds with like their bow ties, like plotting to take over the college Republicans. He says like, like, this is like kind of guys who went to frats would be like Charlie Kirk fans, which I think is. Went to France. Frats. Frats. Fretts. Oh, frats. Okay. Yeah. The guy guys would frat. It's like, what to France. I don't think those guys would necessarily be huge fans of Charlie Kirk.

But your, your, your opinion is that Charlie Kirk. And I, look, I think you are. Okay, I'll tell you what. Okay. Okay, go ahead. No, go ahead. I'm just going to ask you your opinion, so go ahead. Okay. I mean, so on my way home from the comedy seller on, what was it? Wednesday night, I listened to Trump's remarks on Charlie Kirk from the Oval Office. And Trump called, Trump declared that Charlie Kirk was a martyr for truth. Okay? Yeah.

And if you listen to how people in the Trump administration, from Trump on down, talking about Charlie Kirk. They're all talking about how he basically was considered a member of their family. He was essentially a de facto member of the Trump administration. He performed like a media function on behalf of the Trump administration. He wasn't formally employed, as far as I know, by the government, but he might as well have been because that was the function that he played. So Cash Patel, even at this press conference this morning, and Cash Patel should resign.

I mean, I don't often call for people's resignations, but I am calling for Cash Patel's resignations because he's such an epic screw-up. He screwed up the whole Epstein release. He screwed up. He falsely said that declared that they had. He was so reflective about rushing on to X that he announced that they basically apprehended the suspect and he was just wrong. Yeah.

Really? You're the FBI director? You don't double check that before you put out the public statement? Did you see the Valhalla? I love the Vol-Hala. Yeah, I'm the Fal-Hala. What is this like the God of War video game? There's a God of War.

expansion pack called God of War Galhalla. I mean, I love the God of War game, but like, please, okay, Cash Patel can reside and go play. Someone's got to make a meme of that. He can go play PS5. Yeah, a Hindu telling a Christian that he's going to see him in Norse 7

with a morbid by. No, seriously, the God of War of Ragnarok is set in Norse mythology, and the game is amazing. I'm saying, Hash Patel would be better off playing that game instead of being FBI director. Yeah, it was amazing. It was just amazing. Brother, I'll see you at Ball. That was.

That was weird. That was weird. Yeah, you're right. But, but, you're right. But, but, but, afterthal talks about Charlie Kirk. Like, he calls him, hey, brother. I'll see you at Valcala because, like, they, they consider him basically part of the administration. Yeah.

Yeah. And so, and it was not, uh, Janie Vance sent Air Force 2 to go retrieve the body. Yeah, they're going to, what's the funeral going to be like? Are they going to order some kind of either outright state funeral or quasi state funeral. I'm, I'm almost positive of me. Yeah, they're going to attend. It's funny, by the way. Did you see the picture they posted of Trump at the Yankees game?

dancing to like YMC? Well, the Yankees thing is really weird, right? Because shortly after Trump announced that Charlie Kirk was dead, because he, Trump seems to be the one. I didn't, I actually go see Trump dance to YMCA. Wait, so Trump is dancing to YMCA on 9-11, on 9-11. Let me see. Yeah, let me see what the, on 9-11.

And everybody's supposed to be mourning Charlie Kirk. It was posted by his White House account, Dan Skavito. Here, let me show you this. Okay. Yeah. Okay, so yeah. Dan, was Dan Skavino? I'll text it to you so you can see.

I got to see him. He's dancing. And they posted this. The White House account posted this. It's amazing. Okay, but just to set the scene on September 11th, and on the day that everybody's supposed to be in deep grief over Charlie Kirk. Let me say, what?

I'm going to watch it. He doesn't even stand up. He's sitting. He doesn't do IMCA. He just punches the air. He's doing like, I know you love to comment on people with Down syndrome. Isn't that how you would expect somebody with Down syndrome to dance? That's the funeral, yeah.

And look at the Cobbys. Even the Cobbys are like, did he really have to do this? I'm going to tweet that once we're done. I'm going to tweet that once we're done. That's amazing. No, but he met the Yankees in the clubhouse yesterday. But on the way home, like in the car or whatever it was, like right after. Trump announced that Charlie Kirk was dead.

Like, for a while, for a few hours, we didn't know if he was officially dead, right? But then Trump announces it. And then, like, right after that, pretty much, the Yankees, you know, their game starts. And they do a whole tribute to Charlie Kirk. It's a little odd. But then it makes sense that then Trump was, like, scheduled to attend the game or visit the stadium the next day, right? Yeah.

So, I don't know. Did you see the other thing where they asked Trump, like, how are you holding up? And he's like, oh, the White House ballroom's going to look great. I didn't see that. He's amazing. He's an amazing. Well, yeah, but so, I mean, they're going to give him some kind of quasi-state funeral. It's pretty clear.

Trump declares him a martyr for truth. The thing with the thing with Netanyahu getting on Fox News yesterday to do like a tribute to Charlie Kirk, that was amazing. Because, of course, X is obsessed with the idea that somehow Israel committed the assassination. I saw the, I saw the, like the billboards or whatever. in Israel, like the murals. Did you see the Fox segment? No, what if he... I'll send it to you.

Why don't you play it? We can listen. Okay, yeah, yeah. Yeah, okay, I'll play it. Just actually send it to me. I'll play it so I can watch and listen. Okay. Oh.

There you go. So basically, Fox News aired a segment and the segment was entitled Charlie Kirk's legacy of supporting Israel. We knew him. We knew him. Remembered for so many... Keep it going. Keep it going.

Things today. And one of them is his staunch support of Israel. He visited in 2018. I remember, that was the first time I met him. It was at the U.S. Embassy after it had moved to Jerusalem. Pause, pause, pause, pause. You know who Charlie Kirk went with on that trip to Israel? That was to open the new U.S. Embassy in Jerusalem.

Oh, interesting. This is with... He went with Candace Owens. Oh, that's good. That's good. That's good. That's good. Candace Owens, wow, how far she's come.

then President Trump's first term decisions. And Charlie was there also the following year, supporting Israel's war against the Amman and against the anti-Semitism that followed. Watch. When we as Christians go to Israel, we are celebrated and treated like the most amazing you could ever imagine.

I bet they treat them very well. Yeah, I guess it's just about Christians in general. It doesn't have to be with Charlie Kirk in particular, right because he's like a surrogate for Trump. Actually has a place in God's plan for us on this planet. There's something special about Israel, and I think we have a more...

I'll pause. It's actually funny because he started to tiptoe away from Israel. He is... I don't know, people say that, but like... Maybe. It was recent. Anyways, let's continue.

Rayleigh community has been very welcoming of us as Christians in our faith, the homeland. And it will not go unnoticed. You know what, this is so funny. I just say the first comment under this, under your post, is this person saying,

The Jerusalem Post published the announcement of Charlie Kirk's death five minutes before. I love this. I love Twitter. I love Twitter, but it's great. Foreign Ministry said this morning, Charlie Kirk was a steadfast friend of Israel and a true ally of the Jewish people. He stood proudly for the Judeo-Christian values which bind Israel and America. And Charlie's fearless commitment to truth and freedom cost him his life. Violence may have taken him, but it cannot silence his legacy. May his memory be a blessing. The Prime Minister of Israel,

Benjamin Netanyahu in focus now. Prime Minister... Well, look at this woman's cross. You see Harris, notice Harris Fokker's huge. Yeah, yeah. It's like she's some cleric.

Before I do, I have to say that. We're just heartbroken. Myself, my wife, my family, my son, actually, and his 2019 visit to Israel had lunch with him and his wife, Erica. We're shattered first as human beings

because a great human being has been taken from us. He was an extraordinary friend. He, you know, he said. Okay, does anything important happen? Just when Nanyahu quotes this letter. Okay, he's pulling it up now. May 2nd this year.

He said, one of my greatest joys as a Christian is advocating for Israel informing alliances to defend Judeo-Christian civilization. All right, that's enough, that's enough. In fact, yesterday. Hold on, let me sound. I called him, and I spoke to him, and I said, please come to Israel.

I invited him to Israel. And sadly, that visit will not take place. But he was a defender of our common Judeo-Christian civilization. Well, that's fine. I mean, then Yahoo was friends with him. He likes Israel. Who wasn't Charlie friends with? He was, you know, this guy was,

you know, anyway, so this gets back to Hawaii. So I object to the... I was kind of friends. You know, did you ever... I texted him a few times.

I think by most people's definition, like I think when people say, Fred, it could mean anything. But I texted with them back and forth. So I guess I was a friend. All right, good for you. I mean, I was supposed to be on it.

I was, it was suggested that I go on his show this summer. And what happened? You know what he wanted to have me on, apparently? Four? Let me guess. To expose Russigate?

No. I mean, it was a similar. sort of narrative pivot he was trying to do on behalf of Trump. It was like, you know, a week, maybe two weeks after the Epstein frenzy broke out. No, it wasn't about Epstein, though.

He wanted to have me on to talk about the MLK files which the administration dumped out. I know I hadn't looked at them. I didn't know it was in them, but like he just wanted to you know, he was under orders at that point to like talk about anything but Epstein. So they were grasping for straws.

What was, what's even, yeah, I think we talked that we even talked about this. What was even the angle on MLK. I don't know. That's what I said. I just don't know. I said, I will talk about Epstein if you'd like, but I'm not going to talk about something

that I'm not even familiar with. So why wouldn't you want to talk to you about Epstein since they were doing that anyway? Because they weren't, he wasn't talking about it. He declared, I'm just, no, but you're a debunker, though. You're a debunker of Epstein. Well, I mean, yeah, I mean, I guess

he just didn't want to talk about it at all. I mean, that was sort of the order. He took the instructions from headquarters to Yeah. I'll give you the exact quote. This is what he said. Honestly, I'm done talking. this is after he held his Turning Point USA conference

where a bunch of people denounced Trump for Epstein. Trump got mad. He personally placed a phone call to Charlie Kirk. And then the next day, Charlie Kirk gets on his podcast or whatever and declares, honestly, quote, honestly, I'm done talking about Epstein for the time being. I'm going to trust my friends in the administration. I'm going to trust my friends in the government.

So that's just what Charlie Kirk was. That was his function, right? He was a mouthpiece for the current administration. government. And he was a political, when Trump was out of office, he was an operative working 24-7 to get Trump back into office and other Republicans into office. His organization Turning Point USA basically ran a certain percentage of get-out-the-vote operations for the Trump campaign in 2024, which were outsourced from the campaign to like Elon and also the Charlie Kirk. And so that was just his function. And then, you know, and I had also engaged with them a few

times in June during the Iran-Israel war when Charlie Kirk was just shameless. It was actually detestable. I usually don't get that angry, but I was getting angry at this because Charlie Kirk was just like, we all have to trust Trump. Charlie Kirk, you know, a month or two before, that was saying war in the Middle East would be the worst thing. It would be a disaster. But then Trump wants to go to war with Iran. So Charlie Kirk, you know, he takes his directive. as a good little sycophant, and starts instructing his followers. Look, just disengage, you know, read scripture, pray, and trust Trump. That was his message.

Wait a minute. Wait a minute. Hold on. This thing, is this the same quote that Spencer Cox? Yes. I tweeted that earlier. That was the context. That was the context.

So I'm talking about people, Spencer Cox presented this. I remember what Charlie Kirk said. He said, get offline, read scripture, blah, blah, blah. And I'm sitting there like, oh, he told people to like, at least he had a moment where he's like, don't pay too much attention. No. But now you're saying it's because he wanted people to stop. Yep.

I tweeted that just before we started this stream. Spencer Cox read aloud that quote from Charlie Kirk as though it's just this, you know, really sort of inspirational or, you know, wise quote about how everybody needs to get offline and, like, reconnect with their friends and family or something and read the Bible. Yeah. No, it was Charlie Kirk saying, look, everybody who's getting all agitated about this war that Trump is mobilizing for in the Middle East needs to just disconnect right now

and like trust the government. That was his message. So now, so no, so I was very, I was incredibly critical of him at the time. Along with other functionaries who were performing basically the same role like Jack Pesobic and Steve Bannon. And what am I supposed to do? Now retract

my criticisms just because the guy got gruesomely murdered? No. I mean, I'm against, I mean, I am very much troubled and disturbed and firmly oppose the killing separate and apart from my political criticisms or journalistic criticisms of Charlie Kirk. You know, why? Because like, you know, and you probably can relate to this. Like, I'm somebody who does do, you know, whenever I can or whatever it's possible, whenever I'm invited, you know,

public political events and or journalistic events or whatever. And so I don't like, I really resent the idea that this, you know, idiot whoever committed the act is now probably going to make it so that doing something as simple as going to a college campus, which I've done before, to debate people or to engage in a, you know, organic exchange with people is now going to probably be clamped down on. And there's going to be even more security theater. Yeah. And so I hate that, but I also, I'm also not going to, like, pretend to, like, pay homage to Charlie Kirk, who I just didn't respect on any level.

Yeah. And I found him mendacious. Yeah. You're right. And it's not just, I think, this is bad, not just for the security theater. we'll get some of that, but also because there's copycat issues and people kind of take inspiration from events like this. You're right. And even like there was a lot of people like conservatives wanted to see like liberals celebrating.

They just would point to something like this Karen Atea woman who was like an editor for the Washington Post. And she said, you know, I don't feel like I have to warn this white man or something. And it's like, look at what they're saying. And it's like, I mean, that woman's an idiot. I know who that's. Well, of course she is. But, you know, it's like she doesn't have to mourn her. It's fine for a liberal to say, I don't warn Charlie Kirk.

And they don't have to, you know, they don't have to treat it as like a tragedy. If it's somebody they don't think highly of or they didn't know. I mean, I'm more in that set that a political, if we want to call it an assassination, I guess, you know, that's fine. I mourn that a political assassination of a high profile figure took place because of the detrimental sort of downstream effects of it. Yes. So I do more than that. I mourn that, you know, I'm more on a human level of the guy was killed, right? That's fine.

but I'm not going to then be mandated to, you know, just kind of like credulously buy into these ridiculous political tributes like he was a martyr for truth. No, he was the opposite. Yeah. So let me give you my take. I might take a chart, Kurt, is between you and like Ezra Klein. I think Ezra Klein, somebody was criticizing this, do you see this tweet from this Jeremiah Johnson guy where he goes, you know, Charlie Kirk was not about real debate. he was about like owning people and just getting clips and like making fun of that. That's another thing.

And I don't even care for that that whole, you know, it's fine if you want to go to a college campus and just like debate college kids. But like I do find that whole sort of style of quote quote debate to be annoying. Like, oh yeah, I could, you know, I can get one over on some random college kids. Yeah, yeah, I agree. And I agree. But I did say that I think this is like what debate looks like for like people who go to lower ranked state schools. Like I think that's like if you want these people to participate in politics at all, like the debate is going to have to look like something like that. And, you know, at least civil, they don't like, I don't say you're retarded or you're fat or you're ugly or anything like that. It's like whatever. It's not as sophisticated as you or I would like, but it is, it is a kind of discussion. So as R. Kline is right as far as that goes. At the same time, to present him as like an intellectual in any sense, like somebody who was bringing ideas and debating them with people, rather than like modeling, like kind of what good debate looks like, kind of.

I think is wrong because, as you say, he was first and foremost a Republican partisan. So it's like honoring like Ransprevester. That's just a Republican partisan. There are a lot of Republican partisans who like to debate. This guy was somebody who would take, would took direction from the White House. So he was actively an active participant in the media or communication strategy of the current government. Which is, which is normal for Republican partisans now. They're all getting basically, they're all basically getting talked.

Yeah, but this, he was at the top of the food chain. He was getting phone calls from Trump. Yes, he was getting phone calls from Trump. He was a propaganda. So, like, whatever. He doesn't mean he deserves to die. But, you know, if you're like Reds, prebis or like Sean Spicer, right, he was basically the equivalent of like, you know, Caroline Levitt or one of these people. Yeah.

More than he was, like, a journalist or an intellectual. I think that's absolutely right. Yeah. Like I said in my piece, you know, yesterday or the, you know, in the preceding, like 24th, you know, in the preceding, like, 24th. four hours before I published it, there were people, you know, just friends calling me, asking me, like, how I was feeling because I guess the assumption was that I consider myself in the same field or industry as Charlie Gard. I sense that this kind of, this triggered you.

Kind of. I, you know, I probably would have been triggered anyway. It would have been triggered anyway, but like, you know, yeah, I guess, you know, it was an extra little catalyst. I'm like, no, I do not consider myself with the same universe as this person. Are you kidding? You know what's funny? when I was starting to become public,

my mom who just like is like kind of had her brain melted by Fox News just some person of that generation. She was, she like was confused by like what I was doing. And she's like, are you like that Charlie guy from? The Charlie guy from what?

TV. Is it like, is it sure that he was banned from Fox News? I'm not sure I buy that. Like, who was he actually banned from Fox News? People have been telling me that Charlie got banned from Fox News.

Is that true? I've never heard that. No. I don't know. People have just been claiming it saying, oh, he must say, he was coming like a dissident recently, supposedly. It sounds like one of those stupid fantasies, these people. I don't know. I mean, maybe he was. I just don't know. So, but yeah. There is like this info wars, like, adjacent kind of narrative that's taking shape that, like, he was, it's part of the idea that Israel killed him.

It's like he was becoming, you know, Israeli, you know, skeptical of Israel, which was true, I think a little bit is true. But then they think Israel killed him or he got banned from Fox News. So it seems like that would, it seems like that would be consistent. with this kind of narrative they're trying to spin. Yeah, I mean, that, yeah, that's part of the narrative of trying to spin, but like... Wait a minute, by end from Fox, you're right, there was just that clip. Wasn't that clip of him with his daughter at Fox Studio? Was that recent? I don't know. I don't know.

Let's see. In any event, he was clearly one of the most valuable assets that Israel has, like, valuable political assets. Okay, and so that's actually a research. They say that's a resurfaced video from July 27th. It was posted on July 27th. He was on, he was apparently on Fox and Friends a couple months ago. Okay. Let's ask our friend Grock, Super Brock.

When was the last time that Charlie Kirk appeared as a on Fox News? He was a New York Post says he was a guest host, July 27th and July 28th. He was a guest host for the show. Okay. So Grock says Charlie Kirk appeared on Fox News on September 9th, 2025, where he accused Democrats of promoting a false narrative about attacks on black Americans. Arguing and said that white people were being targeted. So he was literally, I mean, if this is true,

he was literally on Fox News the day before. Well, you saw what I just said, right? The New York Post says July 27, 28th. This is September 9th. Okay, I believe he was killed on September 10th. It should give you a source, right? Chat Chabit gives you a source. Does Greg give you a source?

Give me a source for the September 9th. Yeah, I'll ask Chachypt. when was the last time Charlie Kirk was on Foxy's Will Kane's show it says on the Will Kane show right before his death and it was a

a day before the day before he died but was Charlie Kirk himself on it or is he just promoting the Will Kane clip I don't see him on the show he gave his last television interview a day before on Dallas-based Fox News anchor Wilcane's talk show

Yeah, so he was interviewed by Will Kane. Where does he say he gave his last... It's right here on the Dallas Morning News. You want me to send it to you? I just got a... Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, so he will... I mean, I don't know why you take this seriously.

Whoever told you that? Like, why would you take this seriously? I'm not... I'm saying I don't. I didn't know. Okay. I don't follow his Fox News appearances. I don't either, but I think we would have known this.

This would have been something people talked about before. Unless people were talking about it. Well, yeah. They're talking about now that he, but if, like, he had been banned from Fox, like a couple months ago, That would be a big split between the Trump universe. And I think we would have known that.

So I was like, you should be skeptical on this thing. Anyway. Oh, yeah. I just accepted what everybody, when anybody tweeted at me. You caught me. You are in a bad mood, Michael. You are, you are. You're annoying.

You're triggered. Okay, fine. Let's say he was on the Will Kane show. Okay, there you go. I mean, I guess, you know, so what? He was somehow becoming this big dissident martyr? Yes, exactly. We're in agreement.

He's the opposite. I mean, if everybody in every position of power in the current government, like, thinks that he was so amazing. Yeah. That's the opposite of, like, a truth-telling martyr pretty much. And he's even one over the New York Times. He's even one over the opinion guys at the, uh... Yeah, gave his last television interview a day before on Dallas-based Fox News anchor Will Kaine's talk show. Okay, there you go.

Yeah, yeah, my. That's true. Okay. You're right. So, I mean, so what's the conclusion here? Like, do you, is he a truth-telling marters? or not? He is someone who modeled a way to debate, which I think was the best.

Which I don't even really care for. Yes, you don't care for it. But, you know, if you believe in that stuff, if you believe in, like, state school kits, like having strong opinions on politics, like, you know, it's fine. You know, I'm not, I'm not going to like it. He was better than the other influencers that these people are paying attention to. Okay. How about this other point, right?

Because people are really annoyed. But is he a propagandist for the Trump? No, but they're saying it's too soon. It's too soon. You can't talk about it. That is just these people. You're so insensitive. You can't, you have to respect the, you know, his grieving family.

And I'm saying, look, they're making him into a political sort of icon right now. So it would be too late if you, if I were to wait. Did you see the Clay Higgins post? No. You did not see this? This was like the most authoritarian thing I've ever. The member of Congress from Louisiana? Yeah, let me show you.

Let me read, let me read this to you. This is the most extreme thing I've ever heard. Send it. Send it. Any, any, I'm playing this. Okay.

So here, I'll send it to you and I'll also read it. So here's the tweet. Hold on. We've got to find it. Okay, here you go, Michael.

He says, he says, I mean, and it is bizarre that Charlie currently, the fatal shot came just as he was talking about violence, trans mass shooters. Oh.

He said, I saw the last word he said. Anyways, so look at this. Rep. Clay Higgins from Louisiana 3rd District. I'm going to use congressional authority in every influence with big tech platforms to mandate immediate ban for life of every post or commenter.

It gets better. That belittled the assassination of Charlie Kirk. If they ran their mouth with their smart-ass hatred celebrating the heinous murder of that beautiful young man who dedicated his life. Beautiful young man. To respectful conservative truths into the heart of liberal enclave universities armed only with a Bible and a microphone and a Constitution.

Those profiles must be. See, now he's like a, now he's like a martyred saint. That's the depiction with the, he's armed with a Bible and a microphone in the U.S. Constitution. So I'm going to lean forward in this fight, demanding that big tech have zero tolerance for violent political hate content, violent political hate content, the user to be banned from all platforms forever in all caps. I'm also going after their businesses license and permitting. Their businesses will be blacklisted aggressively.

They should be kicked from after school, and their driver's licenses should be removed. I'm basically going to cancel. Drivers licenses. If you'll be little Charlie Kirk's, I'm basically going to cancel with the extreme prejudices, evil, sick animals who celebrated Charles Charlie Kirk's assassination. I'm starting that today. This is that guy's demented. And the first reply, do you see the first reply?

Here's what Clay Higgins had to say on social media after the attempted murder of Nancy Pelosi's husband. he said that moment you realized the nudist hippie male prostitute LSD guy was the reason your husband didn't

make it to your fundraiser that's not the first it's not the first I don't see that reply it's not the first reply. I guess it's because I follow this guy who to reply to it.

No, okay Matt Binder is that it? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, this is by far the most authoritarian

thing I've ever heard of politics that's crazy. Somebody says read Anna Paulina's tweet. What does she say? Uh, which one?

I don't know. Somebody commented Oh, no, there's a funny one. Do you see it's a meme? Yeah, go to Adapal. Go to this picture. You'll laugh. I mean, she's another piece of work.

She's amazing. I listened to her on Rogan talking about UFOs. I'd never heard anyone so dumb in a position of power. Just shocking. Is it a personal commenter, is it a personal account or her rep? I think her rep count. I retweet it. If you go to my profile, it's going to be there in one of the last tweets.

Anna Pauline Luna. Let's see. I'm sure it's brilliant. All because of... Okay, see, that's what I'm talking about. This is her. This is, this is, of course, she's like a JFK fanatic as well. Now, with RFK Jr., all these right-wing, you know,

you know, the low IQ people can become JFK, you know, idolizers. Right, so she's, so this is like a literal induction of Charlie Kirk into the pantheon of American martyrs. So Abraham Lincoln, John F. Kennedy, yeah, Martin Luther King, Charlie Kirk, and Jesus.

They were all crucified for their words. It says all because of words, right? Yeah, the order. I like the order. I just want to read, Lincoln, Kennedy, Martin Luther King, Kirk, Jesus.

And Jesus is a little bit in front of them all. Do you see like Jesus is like, Jesus is like, because, you know, the Lord comes first. The Lord. that Kirk is like kind of second. I don't know. Kirk is like Abraham Lincoln is, I guess, last.

He was too woke or something. I thought, and wasn't Charlie, Charlie Kirk was. And I don't think, Charlie Kirk was trying to argue that Martin Luther King shouldn't have a holiday because he was a communist. I don't think Lincoln was killed for his words, by the way. I don't think he was. Yeah, I think Lincoln was probably killed not so much for his words, but because he was leading a war effort that some people didn't like. Yeah. And what words did JFK utter that result of him being murdered?

I mean, people have all kind of wacky theories about that. And then I thought Jesus was murdered because he was the son of God. And then Martin Luther King also, yeah, he was son of God. He was supposed to be murdered. Like, it's not supposed to be a tragedy. They're supposed to believe that the plan was for Jesus to be. Yeah, it's by his sacrifice that we are all saved, I thought, Anna. And then God's sacrifice is only begotten sons so that we might be saved.

I think I might know more about Christianity than she does. MLK was also not about words and was about his activist. I mean, him might have been more word related, I guess, because of speeches and whatever. Yeah, but the speeches had a political impact, right? Oh, yeah, his words had a political impact, true. Okay, like Charlie Kirk, right. And Charlie Kirk was killed because of everyone was killed for words.

Everything happens for words. Words are not violence. Words are always at the bottom of things that have. Read her latest tweet on a rep account. Somebody says, Paulina Luna. I think they mean this. Sweet.

Oh, wait, no. She just has a new one in the last 12 minutes. Let's see. This is live. Okay. Every college and university in this country must understand that Congress is watching closely.

Uh-huh. What universities take the right action by firing professors. Oh, Jesus Christ. Who celebrated the murder of Charlie Kirkker circulated videos glorifying his assassination. You know what I- Derek Van Orden has been highlighted

many of these cases. Look at her banner. You see this? It's like Florida. On a rep, or government account? Yeah, the rep one. Yeah, the banner is like Florida and then it's shaped like a gun. Yeah, yeah.

Or is that, is that, is that, is that, well, I mean, that's the real, that's the real Florida. Oh, is that the panhandle? It's not, it's not, it's not misshapen to look like a gun at the pop. Um, it might, actually, you know what, I think they exaggerate the panhandle a little bit to make it look like a gun, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, and it's like pointing at, yeah, what a. All right, cool stuff. What a, what a nightmare.

Actually, that's, it looks like, that's kind of what Florida looks like. Anyways, maybe that. No, I bet they will do this. I mean, House Republicans will, like, they will move now to defund whoever they call. And what does it mean videos glorifying his assassination? Does this mean anybody who posted the video? Yeah, she's talked about, yeah, taking down the video too. Yeah.

Did you watch, by the way, the really close-up one? Yeah, I watched it. Yeah. It wasn't pretty. I mean, I don't know. I'm not an expert in, you know, anatomy or anything. but when I saw the close-up, it seemed like my first instinct was,

that does not seem survivable to me. Yeah. Do you know if he died right away or was later? I don't know. It's sort of unclear. I think, I think, you know,

there were some reports that he might have had like a pulse initially. Yeah, look bad. Yeah. Okay. So you're right. Look, Nancy Mace wants to bury him in the, or lay him to rest.

You don't bury people in the capital retundee. I guess you just display their body. I looked up. in chat GPT, the people who've been Yeah, Billy Graham was there recently. The cops who died in January 6. Yeah, Jimmy Carter was there. You know, it's a former president.

Yeah, you've got to be a pretty... Rosa Parks. Yes, right, I saw that too. So I'm sure he will, you know, I'm almost positive to do something like that. Then probably that in particular. You know, let him lie in state, essentially. That's what they call it in the Capitol Rotunda.

It's like, I hate this thing. Oh, you can't see. He was a political pundit who went around talking about ideas. Like, this is what you do. Okay? Like, there shouldn't even be the stuff like,

you know, wrote clear. No, everybody's, everybody's, I'm telling you, I'm getting trashed right now. Uh-huh.

Which I, I'm, I expected, you know, I'm not, you know, I'm not a little sensitive snowflake. It's fine.

But, like, people are trashing me because they say, you can't talk, you can't talk about his political function. Okay, that's the only reason why we know of him.

Yeah. Wasn't just some random guy who happened to, like be a conservative or something. Yeah. Yeah. And you're right. They are making him into a, like, what more can they do to make him into a martyr?

Do you have any takes on, like, what's coming next? I don't know. Let's ask martyr made. He's the expert on that. Darryl Cooper. I see what you did there. That cry, baby. Martyr made.

Did you see that, you should start covering Fuentes because he's going, he's become more of a big deal. I think you probably think What do I need What do you Do you have a take on where the Republicans Like the youth Republican youth culture goes next You see Bannon is retweeting this guy On like Gettor or whatever they have at Gettor

What are we posting where oh yeah Getter that big cultural Gettor not Gettr Yeah Well what is that so two social What is Gettar? Is it like a different thing?

Gettor is like another like right wing social media thing That they tried to set up That I think Bannon might have been involved with Yeah so he's still posting it He's like the only person So he has his own truth social. Yeah, there was Parlor, there was Getter. There was truth, that truth source.

Parlor was bigger than Getter. I mean, Getter was nothing is nothing. Anyways, the. Parlor essentially got shut down after January 6th. Well, so he was re-gettering somebody who was saying, you know, Nick, Gab was, you guys killed Charlie Kirk. Nick Fuentes is next, right? So he's like really trying to play Footsie.

with these. Who's you guys? And you got, you know what they mean, you left, you killed them, you put Trump in jail. You tried to put Trump in jail.

They, they did it, they did it. No, you see the, they say you now. The royal they did everything. Matt Walsh,

yeah, you did this. And then the, anyways, and so, Fuentes had 200,000 viewers on Rumble after the Kirk assassination.

I mean, it's great for content. So, good, you know, well done to them. Well, well done to all the cops. Well done to all the content entrepreneurs.

I guess we're guilty of that as well. So, yeah, this is kind of, I think, the future of the report. Like, do you think it's going to, like, what is going to happen to conservative youth culture? It's kind of this very weird thing. Charlie Kirk was kind of like an absorber. He was, like, in between these people and, like, the GOP establishment. Like, what kind of comes next? Yeah, you know, I think conservative youth cultures always had that, like, radical edge that ends up getting moderated as people age.

So, like, in the 80s, you know. Yeah, but we're in a different word. Yeah, I don't know. I mean, so, I mean, what am I supposed to, what am I supposed to be projecting here that the Republicans, we're like, anti-Semites are going to take over the Republican Party? I don't know. It doesn't strike me as plausible.

Of what possibility, yeah. Yeah. Okay. As long, at least it's not as long as Trump is around. Well, so, like, J.D. Vance is going to become, like, a tribune of anti-Semitic right-wangers? Well, I mean, I think he's probably going to get harassed by these people, like, comments.

Like, he can get harassed by them. Yeah, they're going to get harassed by them, then they're going to be basically, look, if the Gaza war ever ends, which maybe it won't, but like eventually Israel's going to become, you would think,

a less salient issue. If we're talking about long-term projections. Yeah. So maybe Israel is, like a lot of it has to do, a lot of what's gone on going on now has to do with the fact that Israel's in the news every day. Well,

I mean, well, I mean, you assume that it'll end and then Israel will not have like future conflicts that draw in the United States, which seems like it might. That's hard to do.

I don't know. It's unknown. It's indeterminate. Especially if Trump's plan is carried out and they turn Gaza into a military protectorate and expel the Palestinian. Yeah. Anyways. Yeah. So, okay, that's it. Michael, I'm going to go get a haircut while I have the chat. Oh, really? Thank God. Your hair's like an overgrown burlop pad right now. Thank you, Michael. That's very... I mean, I shouldn't talk. I actually got a haircut for the first time in a long time recently. It's bad for my self-esteem when I am trying to...

Did here be a content creator? Did you notice that I'm dressed well today? I didn't get any compliments from you. No, you're, you're, the shirt is blocked by the, you're at the bottom. Am I at the bottom for you too in this thing that you're looking at? No, you're on the top. You're on the top of the top.

Okay, so yeah, you're at the bottom and you're getting. You can't see? No, now I see it. Now we impress. What do you have a press conference? Yes, I'm convening in Epstein slash Charlie Kirk Press conference right now in Jersey City. No, I'm going to a yet another podcast. podcast.

This sat a little bit later. Who's this one? I don't know if I want to spill the beans ahead of time. So you have to wait. Is it big? Is it going to? It's decently big, I guess. You know, I don't think you're going to be like over the moon about it or like

babbling and with glee or anything. Your career. And then I have another thing that I'm doing after that. So I put on the blazer and the polo. Yeah. Good for you. I've started putting on collared shirts for these. would never have put it on just for this dopey stream, but that hurts. That hurts. I'm going to get a

green screen. When I get a bigger house, which is hopefully in a few months, I'm going to get a green screen. This is going to look much, much more professional. And then it'll be bothered. You don't need a green screen. I think I did like a waterfall in the background or something. I think it helps. Like I think Fuentes is a secret as he puts on a suit. And then he, he has this like, even though people know he's not like, he doesn't have like some big skyline in the background. People know it. Something subconsciously just makes you think like, oh, I'm looking something. Get a green screen. You can put the New York, you can put the New York City skyline in the background or something. Yeah. All right.

What are you going to do with this? I'm thinking about just posting this on Twitter. What do you think? Well, we're on Substack. What are you being? Okay. Oh, yeah. So you mean post the full thing?

Yeah. Are you going to, yeah, that's fine. That's fine. Yeah. Okay. Anyways. All right, Michael.

We'll talk later. All right.