MTracey podcast - Yet another emergency Epstein broadcast!

Episode Date: July 18, 2025

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So Michael, I am, yeah, I'm at the gym and I just was on the treadmill and I was going to run. And I started, the Wall Street Journal story broke right when I was about to run. So what do you? You had to do it. You did an emergency break on your treadmill run? Yeah, I was on the treadmill and I was just walking on the treadmill instead of running so I could tweet at the same time and so I could read and tweet. And so I did that for like 30 minutes. And then I'm like, yeah, I should go stream right now.

I might not get my steps today because this is too exciting. I didn't burn it off calories, so I've got to go back and do some more exercise. But this is great. I love this. You were trying to poo-poo this a little bit? It's like objectively, yes, it doesn't prove that Trump is a pedophile or anything,

but it is like funny. It is just hilarious. Like, it couldn't have scripted this to be any funny. I'll admit that. I'll admit the humor of it. I've never denied that. Yeah. He writes.

But let's just review what the theory here was supposed to be. That Trump was covering up the quote unquote Epstein files, whatever the hell that means. Because there would be incriminating information on him in there that would prove that he was covering up a sex trafficking ring, a child sex trafficking ring, or himself culpable in child. Well, you're combining a few different things. I always said that there. I always said that there could be materials. that could be politically embarrassing, like the theoretical

Polaroid snapshots of him with the topless girls or something. Yeah, yeah, we know. Nobody said you're wrong. Nobody said you're wrong. You're combining two different things. You're combining the sex pedophile ring, which is a right-wing maga theory

with the idea that Trump is like just hiding something. And I don't think Democrats, like any major Democrats, were saying that Trump was hiding a sex ring. And like they weren't saying that. So you're combining the mega thing with the liberal thing

accusing Trump and you're putting it to this one thing. I think it's just, just people who thought it was embarrassing for Trump are vindicated. There's no proof of, you know, there's a sex trafficking rig, but that was a MAGA claim anyway. That wasn't a critic of Trump claim. I don't think that's just a MAGA claim. It might be most pronounced among MAGA.

It might be the most sort of virulently believed by MAGA, but why would this be such a palpable story, if not for the belief that there's a child sex trafficking ring? I thought that was the whole reason everyone is incensed by this. Well, that's why MAGA wasn't. Because there could be something embarrassing about Trump. Well, no, that's because MAGA's kept it alive. Democrats weren't the ones all these years talking about Epstein. If it was up to them, we would have forgot about the Epstein a long time ago.

It was Republicans who kept it up, and now Democrats started talking about it because they think it might be something embarrassing for Trump. I don't think they get the blame for the idea that there was a sex trafficking riga that they had egg on their face or anything. Okay. I mean, I'm not sure that any, yeah, maybe the Democrats don't have egg on their face because they could have rationally suspected that there were additional material to come out on Trump that would have been seen as embarrassing, given the radio activity of anything Epstein related. I mean, that's, I've said that all along. Yeah. Yeah. Okay.

Nobody's somebody. You went in this Wall Street Journal article in case people haven't seen it. I mean, we're assuming that everybody's read something that came out within the past hour. Yeah, well, I mean, they probably found us through Twitter, so maybe they have or maybe they've seen it. But yeah, okay. So I forget how did they exactly did they get this? Here's the headline. Yeah.

Go ahead. You just go through the whole thing. Yeah. So Jeffrey, I'm going to start laughing as I'm reciting this. Jeffrey Epstein's friends sent him bawdy letters for a 50th birthday album. One was from Donald Trump. Mm-hmm.

Right. This is from, I guess, 2003, when the claim is that our friend Ghislane Maxwell. By the way, I've had some insane conversations today. I don't know how I got sucked into this vortex, but I'm in this vortex where... You're going to be a crusade. You're going to be a great crusaders for justice in our time. I don't know that I'd want to be a crusader necessarily, but like at a certain point, I don't feel I have a choice. Okay.

Yeah. So, the fate of chosen is in a small. So this is purportedly from 2003, Gislayne Maxwell created a leather-bound album from a professional professional bookbinder in which friends of Epstein sent in you know sort of amusing letters to celebrate a 50th birthday

which is often what people do for their significant others or whatever on a milestone birthday I've never had that myself I don't particularly want it but me neither nobody's ever made me a podcast I haven't really celebrated a birthday full-fledged since I was like 12th but

Epstein was certainly a horse up Epstein was certainly a different kind of character it's kind of a gay thing to do actually I don't know it's not it's sort of more like women tend to like that sort of thing yeah I doubt it was Epstein's idea

it was probably just Lane's idea for a present Let's leave inside the gay thoughtful partner Not even clear that she was his partner at that point But who knows it's like a tangled web of mystery and intrigue So the letter bearing Trump's name, which was reviewed by the journal, is Baudy, which is an interesting word that came up with, like others in the album.

It contains several lines of typewritten text framed by the outline of a naked woman, which appears to be hand-drawn with a heavy marker. Love it. A little arcs denotes the woman's breasts. And the future president's signature is a squiggly Donald, below her waist, mimicking pubic hair. I love it. The letter concludes,

happy birthday, and may every day be another wonderful secret. I love it. I want everyone to show up about Epstein. No, let's keep going. Let's have the entire... Go down and read. Forget Israel, forget Ukraine, forget.

Big beautiful Bill. I want Epstein 24-7. Yeah, but go down. Don read the entire message because it's even better. Okay, so there's already some doubts being raised about this. People are commenting, wonderful secret. There's already some doubts being raised about this because it's true.

Trump really does not communicate. Trump doesn't like use a computer. He doesn't type stuff out. He sends messages by using a bold phase Sharpie and scribble. Okay. So I don't know how in what sense he could be alleged

to have written this, but. Right, what do you talking about he doesn't use a computer what does that have to do with that's not a computer drawing because it's a typewritten note yeah so what what's your point he wrote he wrote he wrote a oh it's a he could have had a secretary i mean he could have had anyone do it it's possible it's possible wait wait wait wait wait so was the woman's body is it say the woman's body was like a done through a typewriter or the note was a type uh it looks like they're saying that the women's woman's body was hand drawn now it's drawn by trump we don't know but they're saying that his signature's on it yeah so what's So what's suspicious about him not using a computer?

I don't understand. The suspicious thing is Trump does not type. He doesn't send emails. He doesn't type letters or anything. Oh, so the letter, the message. It's said to be typewritten. Okay. I mean, he could have found, he could have had a...

He could have dictated to someone. That's not like that. So, so inside the outline of the naked woman was a typewritten note styled as an imaginary conversation between Trump and Epstein, written in the third person. Can we play? I was going to say, let us do like a play. Like, why?

I'd be Trump and you be Epstein or something, but let me see if I could get it. Can you still see me? Yeah, I can see you. Let me see you. Let me see. You can see me? Okay, I can do it. Hold on. I just dropped my phone. Okay, let's, it's okay. Let's read this anyway. I'll do it with the avatar and then I'll go back. You want to be Trump or want to be Epstein.

It's so hard to choose. Yeah. I'll be Trump. I'll be Trump. I'll be Trump. You be Epstein. Okay. Okay. Voice.

All right. Voice over. I'll do the voiceover. There must be more to life than having everything. Yes, there is. But I won't tell you what it is. Nor will I, since I also know what it is. We have certain things in common.

Yes, we do. come to think of it. Enigma's never age. Have you noticed that? As a matter of fact, it was clear to me the last time I saw you. A pal is a wonderful thing.

Happy birthday, and they every day be another wonderful secret. Oh my God, that is good. We should perform like a stage reading. Donald and Jeffrey, yeah. It's good.

No, it's time. titled Another Wonderful Secret. Oh, my goodness. That is great. No, what are you think they're talking about? They're talking about maybe not underage girls, but they're talking about women, I think. Sure. Of course.

We talked about this last time. How did Trump meet Melania? It was through a modeling agency, essentially, where they would hold events, and beautiful young models would show up to these events, and they would invite wealthy, older men to come at the event and consort with the models. I mean, is that a secret? Trump had, he ran Miss Universe Paddle.

Yeah. But why, why do they talk in these kind of, well, so the fact that they're talking in the kind of these oblique ways. You know what's having an inside joke? But the inside joke is a sex of young girl. The question is whether the inside joke

is sex with young girls, because why is it inside joke that they just have sex with women? That's like not that inside of a joke. That's like something that they do. Inside joke pedophilia? Yeah, why? I'm not part of it.

I mean, in their minds, not pedophilia. In their minds, they like a young girl, 16 and 17. It's possible. I mean, it's possible. Like, it's kind of, it's a little bit weird that they are, like, so coy about it when they're not guys who are, like, shy about liking women, right? It seems like there's something more there, like, makes it quote, quote, a secret. So in the infamous 2002 New York Magazine profile of Epstein that Trump was contacted to give a quote for,

do you remember what his quote was? Yeah. Yeah, he likes them young, right? Jeffrey is a fantastic guy It has even said that he likes women as much as I did As much as I do And they tend to be on the younger side There's no doubt about it

Jeffrey enjoys his social life So Trump is being coy there as well I almost see this as an extension of the coyness That from that quote That's more that's that's not even coy though He likes them on the younger side He's just explicitly saying But that could be like a 25 year old

old. Yeah, it could be. I mean, look, first of all, 2002, to have sex with 19 year olds and wasn't a taboo kind of like it is today, now like a 25 year old would be like pedophilia, but it wasn't necessarily the case that we're all in trouble. So the fact that Trump is like, you know, back then's like indicating there's something kind of untoward or like naughty about it, I think is interesting. You know, and like, look, Look, I'm not saying this is proof of anything. I'm saying it's suggestive. It's like if you want something to go on that they have an inside joke where they're having sex with young women,

this is like pretty good for your case. Okay, sure, but that's never been the case that needed to be made. Okay, yeah, I'm not saying convict him. I'm not saying convict him of a crime. I'm not saying even just like think, but it's, it's like funny. It's like, funny because it's suggestive. It's funny. I've been laughing all the way through them.

It's funny. But like, there are people who are probably going to be demanding his resignation over this or something. There will be. Yeah, there will be. But still, like, I think it's like, you know, it is like, like, Lumer is denying that it's real. He's saying it's fake. And so is, yeah, so is, yeah, so is Jady Vance is out there 10 minutes ago. So they obviously do think if it were real, it would be damning enough to be a, that's a problem.

Yeah, yeah. Because, I mean, and that doesn't even. I mean, I guess my position is, assuming it's real, I mean, I don't think the Wall Street, this isn't like, you know, One America News Network or something. I don't think the, I think the Wall Street Journal would have been pretty scrupulous in betting this. Yeah. So, assuming it's real, I don't particularly think that it's that unexpected or damning. It's like approximately what I would have expected. Yes, I mean, I agree.

Yeah, I mean, look, it's what you would have expected. No, I wouldn't have expected that it was this kind of, like, he, like, sends him a letter. He goes, yeah, Jeffrey, we like girls. Look, there is a kind of wink and nod. By the way, what year was this? What year did that? What year is M.C. turned 50? This is 2003.

Oh, this is 2000. This is all the way back in 2003. Okay, so that, that, so this is, yeah, around the time he's saying that Jeffrey likes them on the young side. Yeah, having sex with 19-year-olds was not, in 2003 was not what it is in the culture today. So it's kind of interesting. They were treating it as this, like, kind of secret. I do think that's kind of interesting.

We don't disagree. What do we disagree? We don't disagree on anything here. We don't think it's like proof of anything. You like acknowledge that. Somebody comments, all I want is for Hanania and Tracy to live stream about Epstein every day. We didn't get deeper into it. We should talk. I mean, I propose that none of us on the internet talk about any other issue ever again. How did your call? I didn't get a chance to listen to you in Sager. How did that go? It's sagger? How do you say his name or Sager? Which is it?

Sager. Sometimes I mispronounce it when I'm in the moment, but it's Sager. Okay. What did you guys? How did that go? What was Sagar saying? I used to say cigar by accident, but it's Sager. You know, it was good. It was a little heated. I mean, the thing is going into a debate like that, I know before I say my first word that 99% of the comments are going to be brutally negative toward me. So I just have to accept that There's like nothing I can say

Because like comment sections are filled with people Who are just Drowning in these theories Yeah So I think you know I made reasonable enough points It was a little heated like Uh

I don't know go go watch it I mean it was um Did he make any go what was his best points What was his like argument? What were his arguments? Because I know your arguments What is what does he get? Well, I got him to concede that Virginia Gufrey was a serial fabulous, although he doesn't, he was a little reluctant to echo my terminology, serial fabulous.

I think he did say that she proved that she was a liar, which is close enough for me. And if she's like the chief most influential accuser, then like shouldn't that cast doubt on the credibility of this entire exercise to some extent. but he claimed that he had other examples of people who sex trafficking happened to I mean part of the problem is like he went into this whole history with Wexner so Epstein inheriting

the fortune of Wexner essentially I mean I'm not doubting or denying that it's odd that it appears Epstein was like sold that mansion in New York for one dollar or something. Maybe there was, there is a strange arrangement that Wexner and Epstein had. But that's all being said in service of like positing some intelligence connection.

I just don't think has as much basis in factual reality. I mean, I'm willing to make every concession necessary about Ehou Barak. We talked about that, how it's plausible that Ehoubara could have conveyed some information. that he obtained as a result of his many meetings with Epstein to somebody in the Israeli intelligence services. Like, I, I, I can see everything that's in the... So, Sagar confesses that Virginia, Gufrey, whatever her name is, is not to be trusted. That's the only source for sex trafficking.

He considered that she's a liar, but he rejects... But then what else is left of sex trafficking? How do you get to sex trafficking? Is he just, like, obsessed with the Israeli angle? what is it kind of the thing I don't know that he's obsessed with the Israeli angle it's sort of strange because I remember soccer being like a pro he was a real guy

not too long ago but you know I guess you know pine change so I'm trying to I'm trying to like give the most accurate representation of his argument the thing is a lot of it it's difficult to follow a consistent

train of thought and I find this in many of the debates or discussions that I've had around this issue like people will just like they'll throw out whole peri of like different tidbits of information and like those zig and those ag got even to one point where like he was saying

like do I trust the warrant commission I don't know how we got to that but like look I mean I mean I do think if I if I were to identify the best point that he made it's that it's a point that I wouldn't even necessarily deny which is that

Wexner was one of the wealthiest people in the country in the 80s and 90s. It was like one of the few billionaires at the time. He was also a hardcore pro-Israel person. And Epstein had this mysteriously close relationship with him such that he became his money manager. And that's how he inherited a lot of his wealth. And that's how he got into these modeling circles because Wexner was the owner of Victoria's Secret and so forth. I'm not denying any of that. I just don't like, I just don't make a logical leap.

Yeah, I mean, the guy just kind of had money and liked sex and liked meeting with like, you know, the fact that he gets in with a Victoria Secret guy, out of all the people in the world, he could be like befriend as billionaires. I think he's just hoardy. And it seems to drive like that.