Mum's The Word! The Parenting Podcast - 'Am I Not His Dad?' | Stevie White from Happy Hour on Stepdad Life, Losing Noah & Why They Chose to Stop at One

Episode Date: July 12, 2026

This week Georgia Jones sits down with Stevie White from Jaackmate's Happy Hour for a chat about stepdad life, baby loss and finding your way back after grief.Stevie gets real about meeting Isaac at three, the sloth teddy that sealed the deal, and the moment Isaac called him "Dad" completely out of the blue.Then it goes deeper: losing baby Noah to a termination for medical reasons at 23 weeks, the rare DNA translocation no doctor had seen before, finding out on Christmas Eve, and the brave decision he and Ariane made about their family afterwards.Plus the lighter stuff: a 28-hour charity stream for Sands, a hair transplant gone Buzz Lightyear, and the Cromer Marathon he won't shut up about.Grab a cuppa and get comfy.A Create Podcast Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Welcome back to Mum's the Word. I'm your host, Georgia Jones, and today I am joined by the brilliant Stevie White, one of the voices behind Jack Mates' Happy Hour podcast. Stevie's a stepdad to Isaac, who he's been there for since Isaac was just three years old and who turns 10 this June. He and his partner have also walked a heartbreaking path together, losing their baby Noah after a termination for medical reasons at 23 weeks, and the brave decision they made about their family afterwards. It's something Stevie's rarely spoken about publicly and we are so grateful that he is here to share it with us. So grab a cupper, get comfy, and let's jump in to a brand new episode of Moms the Word. Stevie, I've got a man in the room.

Oh, nervous. Don't be nervous. I do tend to make men quite nervous. Okay, good. I don't normally talk to women, but it's going well already. Great start. It's nice to have a man on the podcast. We don't have that many. You're saying it early though as well. You could, throughout this, you probably will regret it.

I probably should have said it waited till the end, reserved my judgment until the end. Well, you were telling me just before that you started listening to some of my podcast. I did. It's not normal, is it? Hey, Stevie, listen, I liked your podcast. I like your podcast. Yeah.

It's a bit of me. Might not be everyone's cup of tea, but definitely it's good. That's good for us. It depends whether you like dirty jokes or not. It's silly. And I do. Good. We're all good.

So, podcast aside, you are a husband, you are a dad. Yes. To Isaac. Yes. Who is very nearly 10. Yeah, 10 in three days. Oh, he will be 10 when this podcast goes out. Now, so Isaac is not biologically your child.

No. No. It's my favourite thing to do is if I'm out with my wife and she's like talking to people who don't know us, if she'll mention Isaac and she's, she goes, oh, like, but his dad, and I'll always just interrupt and be like, am I not his dad? And it makes people so uncomfortable. I love it so much. I don't know why I like making people feel awkward, but I just love doing that. Oh, it's like Ricky Jervais's vibe, so that isn't it, making people feel really awkward. Look, it's fine because they laugh afterwards when they realize

that I'm aware. Yes. And that you make the joke out of it. Exactly. Nobody else. I'm getting there before anyone else can. Yeah, yeah. Oh, it's like, it's like self-sabotage, though, that isn't it? That's everything we do. Every, all my side of humour is just self-deprecation on everything. Just make myself feel horrific before anyone else can. Oh, Stevie. It's quite depressing, isn't it? It's really depressing.

I like it. I'm fine with it. It's fine, you're fine with it. When did he come into your life? When did, because you've not been married for that long. No, we've been married two years around about the time this podcast will go out as well, June 17th. Oh, happy anniversary. Thank you.

And, but we've been together. I met Isaac when he was three. When he was three? So, yeah, pushing towards seven years. Wow, okay. It's mad, yeah. And so how was that then? Obviously, like, it's quite a daunting...

Because you're only 32, right? 32, yeah. I know you look a lot older. Joking. I heard it on the podcast, okay? I was going to say that. Oh, I'm so glad you said that then. Because that is a running joke at the moment.

No, because I was thinking, I was like, I can't wait to actually see Stevie in person and see if he really does look old. You don't? Okay? Just to let you know. It's the greys, isn't it? There's a lot of greys.

There's a lot of greys. Yeah, because you're blonde, you get away with it. Yeah. Can't actually see any. Thanks. I'm caked at them. I think a lot of men have grey hairs in their beards, though. Yeah.

It's all over the sides of my head. I mean, no, I'm joking. Really happy to be it, to be honest. I'm joking. I don't know why I feel like I can take the piss more out of a man and a woman. It's because you listen to the podcast. You know that's just what it is. I know.

I don't do this with my female guess. I'm okay with it. It's fine. Okay, great. But no, you don't look that old. I promise. Thank you. The word's that in there. No, you don't look up. Maybe slightly older than 32. Good. Cheers. Only smidge, like 35? Yeah, I'll take it. Okay. I'll actually take that. Because the running joke at the moment is because I took my wife for an optician's appointment. And the optometrist thought I needed to be in the room with her because she was my kid.

Wow. She's six months younger than me. Like, she's not like... Maybe your wife just looks very young. That's what she keeps saying. Yeah. Which is nice for her. Either way makes me look weird. It's not great on me. It's not great, but it's okay. It's okay.

She might age really terribly soon and then you'll be okay and then you'll level up and it'll all be fine. I'm not sure either way. That's not great either, is it? So obviously, you know, you meet someone new and I always think it's one of those things for men, they either are happy to start a relationship with somebody that has a child or absolutely are not happy. And I was fuming. No. Oh, not a kid. Well, I think the reason it was so easy for me to not even question it being an issue

was because my sister had her first daughter, my niece cat, two days after her 18th birthday. Oh, wow. And my sister's four years older than me. So I've had, and she lived at home for a while with my niece. So I had a baby in my life from when I was 14 years old. Yeah. And then two years after that, she had another. Oh, wow.

She's on seven now. Seven? Seven. No, you are just. It's all girls. All girls, seven girls. Yeah. Well, they were all girls, but wow.

Oh my God. Yeah, so since I was 14, I'd always kind of had, like, kids and babies in my life. So it just never really phased me. It didn't even, that wasn't really the thing I needed to worry about. And did you know going into, like, your first date

that she had a child? Yeah, yeah. She was really, really open, like, we met online, but, like, she was really open with everything from the gate. I think she tried to scare me off very quickly. She's got an autoimmune condition as well called Bichette's, which is like a crazy rare condition,

which basically attacks anywhere blood is. Oh, Jesus. Well, how do you survive? Just literally anything she does, her body will go into like overdrive. And so like say we went for a walk for we do 30 minutes of walking, your legs later might be a little bit like, oh, I did that walk earlier.

For her the next day, she'd be like, oh my God, I did that walk yesterday, and then she won't be able to walk the next day. Oh, God. So she'll be like, if she does anything in tent, she'll be bedbound for like, a couple of days or whatever. But she told me this straight away.

She's like, I might be in a wheelchair by the time on 30. I got this kid. Just did it all. And I was like, no, you're fine. We'll give it a go, see what happens. Oh, Stevie. Stuck around. She guilt trapped me really.

You're like, oh, stuck now. Otherwise, like an absolute asshole. Exactly. Oh, God, you're ill. No, thank you. I'm just trying to look good on the surface. Yeah. And then I accidentally married her.

Whoops. So how was it when, like, with the first meeting of Isaac? Because obviously he was three. Three, he's quite. a tricky age, I think, as well. Yeah, the first ever time I met, and we went to, so I lived in Bristol at the time, and my wife's from Wales,

so I went over to Newport, where she lived, and we went to Barry Island from Gavin and Stacey. So I was like, oh, let's go, I'd never been, I liked Gavin and Stacey, so we went there for the day, and because it's a beach, and then there's all the arcades and stuff, Isaac was just kind of happy to, like, go on the arcades

and be on the beach, so it was a thing that I wasn't really that relevant to him that day. Like, he had all these things to do. And I won a teddy for him on a claw machine. So I was sorted from that. Yeah, well done. As soon as I want, he still got it. It's a little sloth called Barry.

We called it Barry. He's just still got this little slough teddy from seven years ago now, almost seven years. That's actually adorable. Yeah. How nice that he's got that little memory. Yeah, I know. Back then. It is.

It is. Yeah, he's still got me. Oh, well, the memory. Memory. No, yeah. I mean, sorry. How nice that you still got you. It's still there as well.

Yeah, you haven't left. Not just Barry. Barry and Stevie. And how was it kind of like the dynamics of, you know, entering into like, you know, already a family unit, so to speak? Was it easy? Was it an easy transition? Yeah, because I lived in Bristol and I couldn't drive then either.

So it would be, I was working full-time at an opticians. And I did really weird shifts. I'd do 11-hour days. So I'd do like 9 a.m. till 8 p.m. And then I'd get the train as soon as I finish work to go over to see them. But the first few times I went, if I was like staying at Ariane's,

Isaac wouldn't be there. He'd be as grandparents. Right, okay. And like, then I'd only ever see him if we were done like something in the day if I wasn't at work or it was a weekend or whatever. So it was quite easy to adapt because it wasn't possible to constantly be there.

It wasn't like a bombardment, like just with always doing stuff. Yeah. It would only be maybe once a week, maybe occasionally twice a week. So it was almost, you were almost easing into it really without trying because of the distance. Yeah. And then a year after that, we went on our first holiday together. So then it was like more

full on. But then COVID hit. And because of my wife's autoimmune condition, she was classed as the people who couldn't do anything. Of course, high risk. And because I was working in an optician, people still had eyes during COVID. So I was classed as frontline worker. So I worked through all of COVID, everyone got furloughed, except four of us in the whole store, but because I was assistant manager, I was forced to stay. They all got full pay as well. Oh, God. What a shocker. Yeah, government did the 80%, but Boots did the 20% top up, so everyone got full pay. But I got exactly at a set, they gave me £200 on an advantage card at the end of it, though. Wow, steady on. Got a new Fitbit.

But, yeah, so I couldn't see, I didn't see them for over three months straight because of lockdown. And I lived in Bristol. I couldn't go over the bridge to Wales because it would have been heavily illegal during lockdown. So I just couldn't see him and it wasn't safe for Ariane to see anyone. So they went to Isaac's grandparents and they just stayed in a little bubble for three months straight.

And I just worked constantly. Was that hard on your relationship or was it okay? I think because I was working so much still, it was okay. And because of Ariane's condition, it almost made it like you just don't have a choice. Yeah. Whereas I think if she was okay to see people and lockdown would have a bit more frustrating

because it's like, oh, we could just do it but we're being told we're not allowed. But because of the condition, it was like, I'm seeing people all day every day still. I was constantly around people, just cake them PPE. And then it was like, I can't risk seeing you if I wanted to. But Isaac even brings it up now, which I find so strange because he would have only been four.

And he calls them like the glory days. He'll just randomly be like, I love it. because he loves his grandparents, obviously, back in Wales. He'll just randomly mention times from there. I don't know how he remembers specific things. Do you know, I often think that, because my little boy was two when lockdown first started, and I accidentally pushed him up a curb and cracked his head up

because the pram went forward. It was a whole bit of a disaster because then I had to call an ambulance. And we weren't meant to be calling ambulances back then, were we? It feels like a good enough reason. But he remembers. He remembers. He brought it up with me. I'd never mentioned it.

to him because of the hideous guilt I felt. And he went, Mummy, do you remember that time you pushed me in the pram and banged my head? I was like, that's childhood trauma. You've given him childhood trauma? See, Isaac's remembering lovely memories. That's poor from you. Yeah, poor, really poor, actually. Poor parenting. That's my biggest parenting. Great to do a parenting podcast, isn't it? That's Stevie. You make him feel really good about myself. I've never heard, Isaac. Just going to say that.

What are you? Are you dad? Who are you? Am I? Yeah, Dad. Your dad? Yeah. We've always been really open and honest with Isaac from the start. Like, I think obviously he was three, so he'd remember anyway. Yeah. But we've always kind of let him know about his actual dad and stuff.

And maybe one day if it ever gets there, he might try and see him. But he's not in the picture at all. Oh, he isn't right. Okay. No, not since he was weirdly around about three and a half, four-ish, just disappeared. Disappeared? Yeah. Oh, good.

Great, Dad. Wonderful. So, so like Isaac, I think Isaac must have probably been about five or six when he just randomly called me dad out of the blue. Did he? How did that feel? Amazing. Did it? Mad, because I was obviously by this point, we were living together because we moved back to Norwich during COVID.

And then I was just like, oh, this is just life now, isn't it? Like, it's kind of the normal. And weirdly, he called me Stevie the other day, just out of blue. And he instantly went, that was weird. Like, he said, that's not so strange saying that. He was trying to, like, tease me. and tell me off about something. You know that when parents will say the full name,

he was doing that to me. And he instantly was like, oh, that's not normal. It's like when you, if you only ever call your partner by like, I only ever call Danny or mush. And if I ever call him Danny, I'm like, oh, God, I don't know why I just called you. Yeah, I'm like, I don't know why I just called you by your actual name. God forbid.

It's gross. Yeah, oh, disgusting. But that's so lovely that it just was kind of like him that just naturally did it. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, it's always. just being completely on him. Now I'll make jokes about his actual dad to him and stuff,

which is quite funny. Like, he said something, he took the mick at me the other day. He tried to insult me and was like, at least my dad cares about me. And like, taking a macket and, because he has a funny relationship with my dad, like, joking and stuff like that.

And he said that, like, trying to be like, your dad hate you to me. And I went, my dad's still around. And he just walked away, like, oh. Great. I love that you can have those kind of jokes with him, though. And it's really nice. actually for Isaac that he has a, like, a dad now. I was going to say a father to make up,

but actually you are dad. Yeah. Because I feel like that's quite sad, you know, with families that separate and the dad does do a disappearing act. It's quite impactful on that child to not have that male role model around. Yeah. So it's amazing that you came into his life and he now has you as Yeah, which I think is at the detriment to Ariane because I think, I don't know, just because he's a boy, I guess, I think he thinks I'm the coolest thing ever. Yeah. And like he'll just, like, I said this to him the other day. Like, if I'm sat in the living room and Ariane's in the kitchen and he just wants like a packet of crisps or a snack or something, for some reason he'll come and ask me. Oh, do they? Even though I'm in the living room. And I'm like, mum's in the kitchen. She's next to the crisps. See, that's what I get. I get that. And Danny. would be like right next to the Chris. I'm like, what is it that means you come and ask me?

It's either favouritism, which I'm going to say as that. Or it's, we're the ones who just say yes to everything. Possibly it's that also. The amount of times I've said yes to something just to hear a few minutes later that Ariana had already said no. I'm like, I've said that yes now. They play us though, those kids. So bad. So bad.

Like the amount of times Cooper's done that. And he comes in and he's like, Mommy, can I do this? I'm like, yeah, sure, Alan. And then Daniel walking, why are you on that, why are you on your switch? which I told you no. And I was like, oh, you little shit. You've just absolutely played me.

Yeah, and I've already got it by then. Yeah. It's so much worse, I don't have to try and take it away again. I know. I know. So going down a slightly more serious path now, you had a baby with your wife. Yes.

Noah. Yes. And Noah, you actually had to terminate. Is that correct? It's classed as TFMR, termination for medical reasons. So it was, again, COVID, so it was end of 2020. Yeah.

And we did the 12-week scan, and they put us in like a separate room. And they said, we just need to make you aware. We can see there is a potential issue, something called Tetralogy of Fallow. Right. Which essentially meant there's a number of things wrong with Noah's heart. And they were just basically making us aware what would happen once he was born. The second he was born, he would need heart surgery and this issue would be a thing throughout his life. But still going to be absolutely fine and livable.

But after a certain amount of years, it'd need heart surgery again. And it would be like a thing that just keeps happening. And so we were prepared for that and we were kind of preparing for how life would look with Noah having medical issues. Yeah. Which is all fine. And then because of that issue, we had more regular scans than you naturally would. And they offered us a, I can't remember what the test is called, but the test they do to find out if babies are going to have Down syndrome.

Yeah, yeah. But the reason they wanted to do it is because the tetralogy of Fallow is linked to a condition called the George syndrome. Okay. And it's not necessary that you definitely have it, but it's a good thing to know, again, to be able to prepare for what life might be like with not only the heart condition, but potentially also other problems that would make life a little bit. bit different for him. So we wanted to get the results from that, but those results came back to say that he didn't have to George, but it was a lot worse in the sense that I'm so bad at

biology, so I hope I get this right. But it's, it was a translocation in his DNA, which basically meant that where everyone, most normal, healthy people, are DNA's balanced, two of his strands of DNA had flipped, which can be okay as long as they're evenly flipped, but the flip was so intense that the doctor said to us, we've never seen it in anything. There's no, there's no, in any textbooks, there's nothing that's been this serious before. Wow. Because normally there would have been a miscarriage by that point. So the baby wouldn't even normally be viable past that point. So they basically told us how bad that switch was would have essentially meant that he would have had no quality of life at all it would have been deaf blind.

Absolutely it was like kind of a body and yeah so they were more surprised that they had even survived to that point. Wow. But we found out this on Christmas Eve. Oh, 20-20 so we'd gone back to yeah we'd gone back to Norwich from Bristol Wales for Christmas found out on Christmas Eve and because we were at 23 weeks and the law is that it has to be before 24 weeks from Christmas Eve. Six days later we were back in Wales

in a hospital to do. We had to be seen do determination and then Noah was born over New Year's. So it was 31st. Fireworks were all going off outside the window for New Year's. Oh God, that's horrible. And then it was like two or three in the morning. He was born.

So was it. Was he born not, as in, did she go through labour? Yeah, yeah, still had to go through labour and stuff. Oh, hell, that is also heartbreaking when you know what the end result is going to be. So was nowhere alive when... Not when he was born, no. So we had to... The termination, it was hard because obviously you kind of have to make...

I know some people would disagree with any termination for anything, but it was the doctor actually said to us, like they're not meant to... to give their actual opinion on it, but they were like, we recommend, like, it's, it makes no sense to, you're not giving this, it'll never have a life. Yeah.

Never have any life worth living, essentially. Yeah. So it was off here. And then, I suppose, Stevie, it limits your life completely as well. That is your life completely changed. Yeah, yeah. So that was, that was kind of the bit we were having to navigate

when it might have just been the heart, condition and then it might have been to George. It's like, how do we adjust our lives to be able to give no or a good life? But when it got to the point where it was like, there's nothing you can do to give this baby a good life. Yeah, yeah. Were you both in agreement? Were you both like on the same page with it? Yeah, yeah. And as I said, as soon as the doctor kind of was like, when they said about like the textbooks and stuff, we had this video call because the doctor was in Wales, we had this video call when we were back in Norwich for Christmas and afterwards we were just like, which is just only one thing we can do here really.

And yeah, both both made the decision together. And then New Year's was horrific. Was really shit. Yeah, absolutely horrific. How do you find New Year's Eve now then? Yeah, it's strange. Like I'm like, this is probably the most of spoken about it. Yeah, well, thank you for coming on and talking to me about it.

Yeah, so it's five and a half years now. I'm just probably the most of spoken about it. because I'm quite good, which is a weird thing to say, but I'm quite good at being emotionless when I need to be. Yeah. But like if I know I can just be focused on like a conversation like this, I can almost separate myself from it, which is mental.

It's absolutely mental. But I've, that's something where Ariane and I have really differed in terms of like New Year's Day now. It's the first year after was just like, this is nothing. We can't do anything. And then my way was going like, I need to be distracted.

I don't want to sit in and think about it the whole time. So then I think the second year we had like a mini house party type thing for new years. But then just after midnight, Ariane and I took ourselves off and just had like a little cry. And then from there it's kind of just been becoming a little bit more normal to do things. Yeah, it's time, I guess, isn't it? Yeah, it's more like positive now as well. And like, as I said, yeah, it's been five and a half years. So Isaac would have been about five then, what was it?

Yeah. How did you explain it to him and how did he deal with it? I think he was young enough to not fully understand. Yeah. But then there have been moments where I've seen him get upset about it as well. Like he had an argument with someone recently who inadvertently made a joke about him not having a brother. But they didn't know about Noah, but that hit Isaac and he was fuming. Like in such bad mood.

He was like, this happened. And so like he still feels it quite a lot. And it's strange how much he feels. for Noah, knowing he had no actual connection to him at any point, because he was always just inside Ariane. Yeah, so he never saw Noah. I don't think he ever even felt Noah kick. So, like, he knew Ariam was pregnant.

He would have seen her belly getting bigger, but he never had, like, a proper connection. But, like, Isaac loves his indie animations and stuff now. So he really wants to make his own animation. And he's created all these characters, and there's, like, five characters. And it's, like, he's like, the main character and he's got a brother in this thing that he's creating and he's called him

Noah. But he does little things like that all the time which is quite nice. So it's like to him it's still quite an, like it's still impact him, even though it didn't feel like he would have known loads going on about it at the time. It's just mad, isn't it? Like you don't realize how much kids like taken and like are aware of. It's like when you swear in front of them and then they repeat it a few days later and you're like, oh God, didn't realize you even heard me say that. It's the worst for it. But yeah, because because of that, he's, he always really wanted a as well because of the situation. But then we did some tests on us afterwards to find out why it might have been a thing.

And then it was, I believe it's because in Ariane's family, they have a DNA translocation, but balanced. Oh, okay. So one that swapped, but it's balanced. But perfectly balanced. So they told us you can try again. Yeah. But there's nothing to say this exact same situation won't happen.

So Isaac was already like a wonder kid to. Yeah, to not have anything. And have they checked Isaac since? He's not got any form of... No, they haven't needed to, but they probably will once he considers having kids. Right. So, like, Aranneann said to her brothers, you should just double-check this, but they've all had kids and all going fines. But it's just, annoyingly, it's kind of like luck at the drawer.

So they said to us, the best thing would be, if we were to do it, do IVF and go that way for the safety. Yeah. Because they can kind of, can they then do it a certain way so that they... Yeah, they could almost, that way they could have made sure it would be more likely, most things would be fine. Yeah, yeah. But it just got to a point, I think the first two years afterwards, it took so long we were grieving quite badly.

We both ballooned up and like just ate our feelings and just had a really rough couple of years of it, put a strain on our relationship obviously and stuff like that. And then by the time we, I don't know if the word recovered is right, but by the time we started feeling a little bit better about things and thought maybe we spoke about whether we would. Then it just got to a point where it's like, Isaac's seven now, now he's eight. And it's like, is it now at a point where the age gap's just too much for,

like it wouldn't, even it would be a brother, there's such a big difference. Isaac's now going to be getting to the point where it wouldn't even be cool to have a younger brother. I think at first he would have loved it. But you do get to a point where it's like That gap's so big Yeah That we to ask we were just like Probably only about eight or nine years

From being out of the woods now Do we want to put ourselves for another 18 So like you're balancing So I think yeah We kind of just made a decision like Even with that We'd have to do all the early scans And if something went wrong again

It almost broke us last time Yeah It's not worth the risk Does it scare? Would it scare you then? Oh yeah, terrifying it terrifying Yeah, I don't think I'd be able to go through it again. And it's almost like I'd be willingly doing it with a slight better chance.

But do I, I think we're both just, we can't risk it. And we're living quite a nice life thanks to being able to do the things we do now and stuff. So it changed everything drastically. Yeah. And I just don't think I'm emotionally there to be able to. Do you know what, Stevie? And I admire you for admitting that outwardly because I was the same. So I had really bad personal depression after having Cooke.

I didn't really realize it for quite a while. But that's completely put me off having any more children. Because like you, I'm protecting myself. I know what happened. And yeah, I might not go back to that place. But you can't guarantee it. But I can't guarantee it. And like you guys, it put a strain on our marriage

because I was a completely different person. Like there was nothing behind my eyes. I was just like, there but not. Yeah. And it does. It puts that strain. And it's like, but we're happy now. Do we want to rock this book and potentially introduce a new little person?

And it might not even work. It might, you know, it might end the same way. Or do we protect ourselves? So have you gone never? Or have you gone? I think we're now on never. Or never. Which has been a lot.

Ariane will still get broody and stuff. And I'll still see babies and be like, oh my God, that could be the best thing ever. Yeah. But I just think it's just weighing up the risks. and it just doesn't look good enough to potentially put ourselves in a bad position again. Yeah. And yeah, and who knows again, like even if they then don't have quite as many issues as Noah would have, are we then putting someone at risk of having still some issues?

Like, it's kind of like we're just trying to decide what the best thing for everyone is. Yeah. And with Isaac's amazing. Isaac's everything we need anyway right now. And you feel like you... have been able to have that experience without actually having the, you know, the pregnancy and birth and new baby,

you feel like, because you've got Isaac, you've kind of had that chance to be a dad. And the best parts, because all that stuff at the beginning, I had it with my nieces because they were always at home. That's the gross bits. Yeah, they're the bits of where you're just exhausted and on your knees. I'm awful with, like, things, like, consistencies and stuff. What, change in nappies would not be for me.

I think I am mentally weak. I'm happy to accept that. I am so bad with things like that. So the idea of having to do it would, I'd struggle with that. And I wouldn't want to be a bad dad either in those things. But with Isaac, so much easier. Yeah. So much easier.

Been through the nappist. You weren't there for the nappist. I've skipped. You skipped the nappies did. It's like, I've smashed it, really. You've smashed his dad malaggy. Don't give anyone ideas. We're like, right, we just need to find a woman with a three-year-old.

Oh, we need that. I'll be like the new dating profiles. That's what I'm saying. Looking for a mum with a three-year-old child, who's preferably out of napping. Needs to be able to use a toilet confidently. I like that you'd normally have women on here who can talk really openly about the pregnancy

and how difficult that first part is on. It's a breeze. It's a great. Absolutely. Absolutely. Oh, I'm such a man, aren't I? No, you know. Well, yeah. I mean, yeah, I don't know how I was going to try.

I'm such an old man. What an old man. What an old man. Man sat opposite me over here, greying and can't change your nappy. Brilliant, brilliant. Yeah, I joke. Do you have an insatiable fascination with the paranormal? Are you ready to dive headfirst into the eerie realms of the unexplained?

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were slightly larger. Larger. Yeah, I went up to a little bit over 120 kilograms, which I'm now under 90. So it's a big old change. Big old change. Yeah, I just went through some weird stuff, shaved all my hair off, I was bald for a while, had a hair transplant, so cheated the system. Did you? You wouldn't know. You got, you do have a great. head of hair, Steve. That's a lie. Oh, you haven't had a hair? No, no, no, like, this is a lie.

Like, it's not real. Oh, you have had one. Yeah, yeah. I'm so confused. No, I have. Sorry. I realized my hair is a lie because it is mine. It's just from the back of my head.

Just from the back of my head. Oh my God, how was that? Not that, this is a podcast about hair test. But I'm really interested. You don't get men on often. This is what we talk about. Yeah, so I did. So the reason I actually shaved my head original.

I knew my hair line was bad, but I had quite long hair. that I'd quiff up and I'd use like the sides to kind of hide. Yeah. Oh, you did that weird coma over there. Yeah, but like from both sides to kind of like force a quiff. And I like, I'd see episodes where we used to film Happy Hour, we had cameras like top corners of the room, just like looking down. So I'd see things and I'd be like, it's not looking great up there.

And was like like this as well. Because when there's a shiny, yeah, shiny. It wasn't, it wasn't looking good. So I saw that. And then the, on Noah's, Due date, I decided I wanted to raise money for a charity called Sands, who help with baby loss. And I had a goal of 10,000. If I could raise 10,000, I'd be happy. So I did a 24-hour stream. Oh, wow. Did you?

Live on Twitch. Stayed live for the whole time, 24, 28 hours. It's my book. What is Twitch? What's Twitch? Wait, just live. Live streaming. Live streaming. So I was just live for over 24 hours. I think it was 28 hours I did. And I was just trying to raise money for Sands the whole time. But at each goal, I'd do something stupid. So a thousand pounds, I'd wax my legs at 2000.

I'd do whatever. I dyed my hair green at one point. I bleached it first. Then I died it green. It's like different thousands. This is all live. All of this on stream. And then I hit 10,000, a couple of hours before the end.

And I said if I hit 10K, I'll shave all my hair off. And I had quite long hair at the time. But again, bad. So I just, Ariane. comes into the room and she shaves it all off. And during, I'm crying my eyes out, because obviously we're buzzing that we've done 10K for Noah and stuff. And during that, some idiot trolls on the internet commented about my hairline.

And I was like, I'm struggling here. I'm crying because of my boy. Yeah. And now I'm crying more because I've really. Now you're just, I know it's bad. But I shaved it all off. And then whilst I was bald, I kept it for a while. And I said, maybe I can get away with it with the beard and stuff.

it's okay, but because I got quite big as well, I was looking at what I'm thinking, and this isn't. Not a good look. It's not a good look. And I had an opportunity through a company, British Hair Clinic, which is in Essex, which isn't too far from, to get to from Norwich anyway. And I was like, you know what, I'm just going to do it. There's no, I'm not going to lose out on it.

I know some people just do it secretively and stuff. And I don't think I can. I'm bored. And if it suddenly comes back with way better her. Did you have the big swollen firehead? Yeah, it was horrific. Oh my gosh. Some of it was, yeah, it was absolutely all.

awful. Oh, God. It was a terrible process. Like, the actual thing was fine, painful. The first, they put, like, an anesthetic inside your head. It's like acid. It's like pain. But then, like, the whole day, like seven hours after that, you don't feel the thing. But that, it's that anesthetic that drips down your face over the next few days. So I looked like Buzz Light Year at one point. Oh, so that's what then makes your head swell. Yeah, it like drips down the face. And you're swelling here. Then it came to the cheeks. I looked like a dolphin. I looked like, it was a smooth though. Exactly.

No wrinkles. Lots of weather. Yeah, now look at me out. I need another one just to sort that out. Well, that's it. Well, see, how do you glow up? You had a horrible time. You got lull.

Yeah. And then you came out at the other side, fresh new weave. Just started running loads. I saw that you had done a marathon. Yeah. Was it a marathon or half marathon? A full marathon. It was a full marathon.

Yeah, so I did. I always hated running. Never been a runner. And I've realized. that the reason I hated running is because I thought you had to run. Weird sentence, sure. What I used to do is I'd want to go and do a 5K. Yeah, yeah.

And I'd go run 5K, get home as quick as possible, and I'd want to throw up. Yeah, yeah. This was awful. Why have I done this to myself? I hate running. When I started realizing you don't go for runs, you go for jogs, running became so much more enjoyable. And I got way faster anyway.

Yeah. So it was like, yeah, I couldn't do a 5K. And then I did an official 10K last year. and was like, oh, maybe I could just do this. So then I signed up for a half marathon, and I just wanted to break two hours, which I did. And I was like, okay, I like, I like, okay, I like that. And then I realized half marathon's like my favorite distance.

So I did another half. Yeah. And I was like, I'll do the fall. I'll do the fall. And it was last month? And how, April. Oh, was it? London Marathon, you did that?

No, so I've applied for London Marathon for the last five years. And just never got, five years ago, I would not have been able to run it. I don't know why I applied to me. I was like, I thought that would be to kick up the bum. it would be like, okay, if I can do this, if I get it, I'll train. Probably wouldn't have. So just never been able to get it. And I've applied last year, I couldn't get it.

So I ended up doing chroma marathon. Where's chroma? About 20 miles north of Norwich. It's a seafront town. Oh, I've heard of, yeah, I have heard of Chrome actually. The medal was a little crab, and I was like, oh, it's funny. I'll do chroma marathon thinking I like chroma. It's a nice little area.

And I thought it would be the beach. It would be a nice run. It just didn't go anywhere near the beach. I didn't see the beach. You started in the centre and you just ran for all the country lanes. Oh. It was all hills. It was gross.

It was... It was awful. One of the worst things I've ever done. Oh, God, it was hilly. Yeah. Oh, no. And they had these patronising signs next to the hills. It would just be a sign that says, it's just a hill, get over it.

You're like, you've not been running for the last four hours. He's trying to make a joke of it. Yeah. Yeah. So would I do one again? Right now? No. Did your toenels fall off?

They're horrific now still. Are they? It's two months later and they're not looking good. They were purple. for about a month and a half, and now they're like a weird orange color. Oh. I've got gross feet.

Yeah. Sounds like it, Steve. I'm not going to sugar that. Do you know, that actually puts me off doing a marathon, just the state of feet afterwards? I'm glad I've done it, because I can say I've done one now, but I did it.

And you know, kind of you do, if you do anything that you have this end goal, you just expect more. And I'd finish it. I was like, done now, isn't it? Yeah, you're like, oh, that's a bit of an answer. Did you go have a really big pint?

afterwards. No, I was in bits. I was like, I was absolutely fine whilst I ran. And Ariane, my mum and Isaac were at the finish line. And I sat down and by stopping, my body just went into shock. And I was like shaking loads. I was freezing cold. And I had to drive home as well, 20 miles back to Norwich. Oh, gosh. I thought that'd be smart. So I parked. And then my mom was like, I'll drive you home. And I was like, then my car's in Krova. So we walked back to the car park. And by that point, I was like, I've sorted out. It just hit me weird. I had a weird shock. And then I was absolutely fine. And I got home and I was on about 46,000 steps for the day. And I was like, I want to hit 50. So I went for a walk that night just so I could hit 50K. And it was fine. Recovery was fine afterwards.

Yeah, well weird. I didn't ache really the next day or anything. So, but the day was horrific. And were you raised, was the, was the, was the, did you raise money for Noah? No, all for myself. Completely selfish, just so I could brag. Do you know what? I just did a half-man. And I didn't raise any money, but purely because it was my first one. And I was so worried that I wasn't going to be able to do it. And I was going to let everyone down. That's exactly why I didn't for the, because the marathon, I didn't tell anyone I was doing it. Right. I didn't tell a, I told Jack and Ariane obviously knew my mom. But beyond that, did not tell a soul. Yeah. So no one knew I was doing it.

Yeah. And I got there and there were like some like, some like happy hour listeners were there and going, oh, good luck. And I was like, oh no. How did the happy hour listeners? They just, they just, they just happened to be there as well. Or like, yeah, just people happened. And like some, as we were starting, some guy showed me his phone. I was like, I'm listening to this for the run. Oh my God. And then at the finish line, someone thanked me for helping them through their training. And I was like, I've done nothing.

So it was quite interesting to, but there was that bit of me going, I think about 25, 26 kilometers in, I was thinking, I think I'm done. I can't keep doing this. It's awful, isn't it? When you get to that state, that place in your brain and you're like, I can't do it anymore. Did you find it with the half marathon? I was all right with the half marathon, but I did train quite a lot. However, the few weeks before I did the half,

I went out and did like what I thought was a 10-K, bearing in mind, a half is like 20-something, isn't it? 21, yeah. And I came back and I was absolutely exhausted. And I was like, oh my God, I'm not going to be able to do a half. And then I realised I'd only done 6KK. And I was like, sorry, what the hell has just happened? It's like your body freaks out just before.

But I did it and I was fine. I think race day as well, you feel completely different. It's so nice. Do you know what, Stevie? There was a lady in a wheelchair behind. me and there was a man with a blade, one leg and a running with a blade on. And I was like, if they

can do it, I'm an able-bodied person, I think I can probably also do it. And you did? And I did. And I got my best friends to make me my playlist. So I was just running around, laughing. Everyone was thought it was a nutter. And when they're doing the talking thing to you? No, no, no. They made a Spotify playlist.

Oh, what kind of music was it? Random shit. Oh, were they taking a fist? No, no. It was just like stuff from like gasoline. Banga? And like, just, it's Sean Paul. Weird things. Yeah, just stuff from like our growing up.

Yeah. Like, you know, our first girl's holiday. Oh, like a nostalgic playlist. Proper nostalgic. Oh, that would push you through. It did. It did. I mean, it started off with Daniel Beddingfield,

if you're not the one, which wasn't quite the... Not a big. Yeah. Great song. However, it was as I was walking to the start line. It sounds like, oh, this is like really anthemic, and the sun just shines in the trees. And I cried.

I'm not going to lie. I cried. as I was walking to the start line. Oh wow. What were you like at the finish line? A mess. A mess. Good. And that's how it should be. I'm just really proud of myself. You should be.

Stevie, we've talked for a really long time. No, I loved it because, like, you know, normally girls can like gas for days. It was nice having a man on and just having a really great. You can. I'm one of the girls. You're one of the girls. I'll take that. I don't even know how much I spoke about being a dad.

So sorry about that. No, you spoke a lot. I just want to talk about running a marathon. Yes, you just talk about people to know that I'm running. I just want people to know that I'm running. one. I'm doing it for the plaudits. It's so funny though because how much do you talk about it afterwards and you're like,

because I ran a marathon last week and it's like, oh, I've just mentioned it again. Yeah, I've tried to mention it a lot. Yeah. Do you ever wear your medal? I did to the studio when we recorded an episode afterwards. And it's quite, because it's got a crab on it, but it's also a bottle opener. I think that's quite good. Is it actually a bottle opener? Yeah, a bottle opener.

No, it is. It is. It's meant to be a little crab with a bottle opener under it. That was a great idea. Yeah, you take that, don't you? So now whenever anyone's around for it. a beer, I'm like, don't worry all over that, boy. Have you got, like, attached to your belt and you need a back pocket? I could turn it into a belt buckle. Yeah, like a, you know, belt.

And then I could just put it, oh, sorry. I was just talking to admit, did you know I run a marathon? It just happened to be my bottle open. Sorry about that. What's that saying? What's that's what I should be doing. I've literally barely thought about it since. That's what I mean, like, you expect it to be this huge thing. Yeah.

Obviously, I did, like, the joke on Happy Hour about, like, kind of bragging about it and stuff. But then, since then it's been, this is the first time I've spoken about it. in like a month. So thank you. Listen, you are so welcome. Thanks for giving me an opportunity.

I gave you the space to talk about the marathon. I should have mentioned that when I emailed back saying as long as I can talk about the marathon. We just make sure we have at least 15 minutes of marathon talk. I'm not talking about Isaac. Yeah, I said, no, I don't think so. He couldn't run a marathon. Dark humour, I love it. It's great.

On that note, it has been wonderful having you, Steve. Thank you for having me. So much for coming on. Honestly, thank you. As I said, before this, I say no to everything. Yeah, I'm coming on your next. Yeah, bring it. I'm coming on yours and being an absolute lad.

We don't need to let women in. No girls allowed. On the door. It is how it feels sometimes we should. No, we're bad. Jack can't be around women. Hey, it can be around me. I can give as good as I get.

You've saw the blowjob jokes from that episode. I see the blowjob jokes and I raise him. Okay, I'm intrigued. Don't let him know. I'm going to say that. Let him know. Just take that. I won't say anything other than that bit.

Yeah, take that sound bite and just play it to him. Okay. Okay. I will. I will let you know what he says. Brilliant. On that note, again, Stevie. Sorry.

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