Mum's The Word! The Parenting Podcast - FRANCESCA AMBER: How The Law Of Attraction & Manifesting Changed My Life

Episode Date: October 5, 2025

This week on Mum’s The Word, Kelsey Parker is joined by Francesca Amber - the self-proclaimed Mother of Manifesting, bestselling Sunday Times author, and host of the hit podcast Law of Attraction Changed My Life.Francesca shares how the law of attraction has shaped her journey, from manifesting her husband to transforming her career and family life. Kelsey also realises she’s been manifesting without even knowing it!Together they chat about:✨ Why breaking up with someone isn’t a failure💫 How to start manifesting in your everyday life📚 Francesca’s brand-new book Manifesting Like A Mother🌸 And how motherhood and manifesting can go hand-in-handIt’s an inspiring, uplifting episode that will leave you believing that the life you want might just be one thought away.A Create Podcast Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Welcome back to Mums the Word. I'm your host, Kelsey Parker, and today I'm joined by the amazing Francesca Amber, the self-proclaimed Mother of Manifesting. She's the host of the Law of Attraction Change My Life podcast and a best-selling Sunday Times author, who has just released her new book, Manifesting Like a Mother. So grab a cupper, get comfy, and let's jump into a brand new episode of Mums the Word. So Francesca, thank you for joining me on today's pod. Can you tell us a little bit about you?

I give you this chance to talk about yourself, hype yourself up, figure yourself up. Okay. Everyone goes, oh, what can I say about me? No, it's not a problem. So I'm Francesca Amber. I, well, I always say I lost everything in the pandemic. I didn't lose everything, but I had a complete life break. down and I started a podcast about the law of attraction to try and like help people through

the pandemic and it basically became the UK's number one self-help podcast and since then I've sort of like niche down into helping women particularly mothers particularly particularly single mothers to achieve the life of their dreams and realize that they are the architect of their lives they can manifest whatever the fuck they like can we swear on this actually we can all swear away Fucking great. Yeah, and they can do it for themselves. Right, so let's go back. So in lockdown, you created a podcast, but you was, how did you feel in lockdown?

What made you do that? You just thought people going online doing things, you fancied it. Did you have a following? No, no, no, no. I basically was having a mental breakdown. So I had like, although I was a single mom, I had quite a nice little life. Me and my daughter lived in a one-bedroom flat above a pub in Islington. We had a lovely little time.

I had a little beauty salon and I worked really hard. I was a newly single mum and even though I was and like I was doing beauty two days a week, we had a good life and we had a great time and I worked in a place I loved and we had holidays and everything was great. And then literally within the space of about four or five weeks, I made the questionable decision to move to the countryside where I didn't really know anybody. And then I found out I was pregnant. and then I found out I was pregnant with twins, me and the dad broke up, my salon closed.

And I think what they don't tell you about the lockdown, what people forget is, if you were self-employed, there was a space of about three or four months. There was no money. And they didn't tell you when it was coming. But if you had a shop or a salon, you still had to pay that landlord. So for four months, I still had to pay that landlord for a shop that was closed. And I didn't know when that would ever end. It had never happened. And I genuinely was. like at my rock bottom, I genuinely didn't know what I was going to do. I remember going to the supermarket and buying like a massive catering bag of penay pasta. And I just thought, if I can't afford to feed us, I can feed me and my daughter just pasta with like, you know, a bit of olive

oil, a bit of salt. Like that would literally keep us going. And I think people forget like how triggering those times really were, like where we genuinely thought like, will I starve? It sounds really dramatic now, but that is genuinely what I thought. And so I was really in like a race to the bottom with everyone I knew. I would look at people and I'd be like, you're all right, you're on furlough, you're having a lovely fucking time, being paid to be at home. You're all right. You're locking down with adults and playing board games every night and probably having, I know a man that was having orgies every weekend. Honestly, I'd meet him and he'd be like, oh, we've been having a great time. We've all been having, the gay men, don't get me started.

They're all having orgies, the whole of the lockdown. Okay, that's all I'm saying. Okay, right. So they actually broke government guidelines. Yes, they did. We're still going out now. My friends in Miami, they were having the time of their lives. And so anyway, I was comparing myself to everyone and just being like, I've got no money. I'm on my own. I'm with a toddler.

Can it get worse? And so one day, I just decided like, actually, because I'd known about the law of attraction for about 10 years before that. Yeah. So when did you find out about the law of attraction? Because you know, when we was younger, everyone used to read the book, The Secret. I was like, have you had the secret? Have you had the secret? Is that what you did?

She read the secret. The secret to land. I read the secret and I took it too far. I read it and I literally was like, oh my God, this is going to change my life. Do you know, it's like the tea stained pages, wasn't it? And like the little burnt edges like you'd discovered an ancient script. I was all in. And I started to get very, very specific manifestations.

And I started to share it on my YouTube channel. And people were like, oh my God, it was wild. My ex-husband, I found a picture of him online two and a half years before I ever met him. Saw a picture of him was like, oh my God, that's my husband. Cut it out, put it on a vision board, contactivematch.com. And they said, you're mental, like, data protection act. It ain't happening. And two and a half years later, my friend was walking along the road,

had never seen this picture, asked him out on a blind date for me. And it was him. And we got engaged six months later. It's the law of attraction. Like, that's how specific the manifestations were, like specific people, specific things. And so I had kind of like known about it for 10 years. But really, it was being trapped in that house pregnant with nothing to do.

And I'm a workaholic. So like, no way to earn money. No way to help myself in this situation. And I just remembered, like, the law of attraction. Like, I've done this for years. It's got me incredible results in the past. Why not do it now and share it in a different way? And I mostly did it as a podcast because I didn't want to put makeup on anymore.

Like, you know, like with YouTube, I was like, oh, lighting, makeup, I thought, nah. I just want to do it. in my pajamas i'll just talk don't have to make that story of my life we're lucky i've actually got makeup on today i think let's take podcast back to where it's just audio only to be fair i don't like okay this is probably taking me about five minutes actually do my makeup today i'm not that person that's like i got to look perfect like i just don't actually care yeah no same good for you well at the beginning of this whole book thing i was like i've got to have my hair done for everything like i've got to have my makeup done now i'm at the point of like i just put my hair in a platela

night and it hasn't even, do you know what I mean? It is what it is. The thing is, if I could take my makeup artist everywhere with me, I would be happy days. Because I just haven't got the energy to do it myself. But I think good for you, because some people, I used to have a salon, right, and some people would come in for a spray tan, they would come in in full makeup, go in the toilet. It can be bothered. It gets worse, wash it all off, have a spray tan, go back in there and put their makeup

back on before they got a tube. I know someone that their husband's never seen them without makeup on. they sleep in the makeup, wake up, take it off, reapply. Psychopath. How could you actually do that? That is mental. We've all done that on a first date, let's say. We've all pretended to go to bed in our makeup. Have we? Yeah. I'm saying first date very loosely, but you know, in a sleeping situation, yeah, I've gone to bed and just, like, gone to bed in my makeup and then woken up 10 minutes earlier. No, I don't mean that. I mean they're turned up at the house and I've literally got no makeup on my my pajama bottoms and I'm like, this is me. Good for you. We need to be, I need to be more like this.

I don't actually care. I'm like, well, you're going to see me without makeup on one day, aren't you? So this is me. This is me, no makeup. This is my pajama button, the unmatching suit. Do you like me? This is where I've been going wrong. That's where Will fell in love with me.

This is why I've been single for six years. Okay, so that's, I need to learn more from you. Yeah. Okay. So then you started the podcast. Now we're back into our podcast. Yes. Talking about you doing your podcast.

Yes. So it basically was what I'd been doing on my YouTube channel, was just sharing the law of attraction in hopefully a relatable way. I feel like years ago, it's changed now, but years ago, the law of attraction was always like, you can be a millionaire, you can have a yacht. And it was very like businessmany. And I was just like, actually it's okay to just want to buy a little flat in London

or find a boyfriend or like get pregnant if you've been told you've got polycystic over it's like, do you know what I mean? Like just real things or like finding friendships that feel like aligned with you. So I was trying to do the law of attraction for more related. things. And so, yeah, turned it into a podcast. What a hurrah. No makeup for me in my pajamas. And it just like went to number one in about two weeks. But I think what happened in lockdown, apart from all these orgies, was that they tried to lock us down to sort of break us. Yeah. But they didn't because actually so many people like you came into to your own. Your vibrations went higher. They rose.

and we weren't all then on the same frequency and I think that is still happening now I think the spiritual world the law of attraction these people that manifest people need that because the world is so shit you look at the world and you think

how can I what can I do to bring me more joy more happiness what was your lockdown like I don't even want to know I love to hear what people's lockdown I've been for a lot yeah I've been for a lot

So I'd had Aurelia, she was nine months. I then just found out I was pregnant with my son, Bodey. And then when I was 35 weeks pregnant with Bodey, my husband got diagnosed with a brain tumour. Of course, yes, yes. So that was my lockdown. In lockdown, that was. In lockdown. So even going into the hospitals, everything like that was just crazy. Crazy mental.

Wow. But do you know what? The first, me and Tom had the best time, though. He was driving. I think people on my social media were like, how is she actually putting up with him? Because Tom was that person, that you're telling him to lock down,

he was ADHD off the wall. So that's actually a signal for him to say, go out more. Yes. Lockdown, no, I'm going to go out. He went on ration adventures. He was trying to find toilet paper, beans, eggs every day. Love it.

He was absolutely hilarious and then spent the rest of the time indoors terrorising me. So I think people who watched us on social media in lockdown and probably thought that I needed a gold medal to actually put up with him. Yeah. You're trying to literally cage a wild animal with him. It's mental and so many people broke up during lockdown. So many people realised they hated each other.

Thank God you actually had a nice time together. Oh yeah, we laughed and laughed and laughed. And I think we did a lot in the house, not loads in house, but like, like you said, sometimes you get joy and rearranging the kitchen cupboard. You're like, oh, my God. Yeah, I painted my whole kitchen pink in lockdown. Did you? That's when I knew I'd taken it too far.

Well, this was before the podcast. This is when I was really bored. And I had a really shitty old kitchen. It was awful. But I couldn't afford to, like, change it or anything yet. And so I painted it pink, and I did the handles. Oh, it's wonderful. I mean, it looked like shit.

But Tom shaved his hair and dyed it bright blonde in the lockdown. Wow. Why not? Why not? Honestly, it was like, what day were we? Oh, and he ordered this hot tub, and obviously everything was on a delay. Yeah. So every day he'd go and be like, where's my heart?

Hot tub, he's northern. I was like, Tom, just give it a break. Give it a break. He was hilarious. So, yeah, that was my lockdown was a bit different. But I guess the manifest, obviously, that then opened me into my world of being spiritual. And when Tom did get diagnosed with a brain tumour, it was there's got to be more than this. Yeah.

Than this shit show that I'm living. There's got to be more out there. What's out there? and it just woke me up. Yeah. I have now, obviously, I'm massively into the law of attraction. But what's weird for me is that I've been doing this for such a long time and I didn't even know. I started when I was 19, when I met Tom, I used to travel the country doing workshops for young children.

Right. But it was all meant to be a dance workshop, but they'd turn up and they'd have no self-confidence. Right. So we started doing these workshops, what was about what you were. give out in life is what you get back. If you're walking to a room and you're positive and you're ready to go, you'll catch someone's eye. So it's so weird because I've always been doing it, but I didn't really know what it was. You were ahead of the game. I was ahead of the game. Ahead of the curve. Some people do say to me though, my friend Jen was like when we were talking about it. She's like,

I feel like I've just done it naturally all my life. Yeah. Some people do. Some people do. And you're, you're blessed. You are blessed that you, like I'm the opposite. Like my parents were quite negative. and I grow up with like a negative disposition. And so I have to actively work really hard to be positive and see the positive in situations. But I think when you're trying to teach it, that's a good place to come from because, you know, like you just assume everyone walks around like that.

I don't. I assume everyone walks around being like, this is going to be terrible. That person's going to be the worst person. Because if you start off at that point, you've really got to find the tools and techniques to like raise that vibration. But Tom was literally the king of, manifestation. Really? Well, he went from a boy from Bolton who hadn't really had singing lessons.

And what he said to me is he was standing in front of the mirror every single day and with his guitar or whatever he's doing and he would picture himself in front of an audience. But he was like, I wouldn't just pick like 10 people to be in this audience. He was like, Kels, I would envision that it was like hundreds, thousands of people. And he did it. I love hearing things like that. I love it. He was always so positive and it was like, right, we're doing this. Even at the house that he ended up in, he wanted a certain price bracket of house that he wanted to move into. Right. I always think it's like a mixture between strategy and taking action and actual work.

But then there's also this side that you can't really explain. And it's like he wanted that. There are a lot of people that have been like, no, that can't happen. If you have got a brain tremors absolutely no way. But you can't expect, how? Did they oversee it? Did they like, you just, you can't explain it. He always, anything that he wanted, it would happen.

Yeah. I mean, that's why I think we have multiple businesses together because I think now I was always the one that actually lifted him to get to where he wanted to be. Like you're saying, sometimes you can't be deluded and go, hang on, I'm going to manifest that I win the lottery. Yeah, I hate it and people say that. You've got to be realistic in your manifestations of what you want.

Like, be realistic. Well, realistic as well of what you deserve. I feel like we only can manifest to the level that we believe in ourselves and that we also show up every day. So like obviously everything is like a bit of a stepping stone, right? And I feel like if I right back at the beginning of the pandemic had been laying around every day watching TV, just pregnant, like, oh, my life is terrible. If I had said then, like, I'm going to write a bestselling book with Penguin and it's

going to be a Waterstones, a Sunday Times bestseller. spoiler alert it is a Sunday Times bestseller and like I'm going to do a seven date tour all around the UK that would have felt unbelievable at that time because I hadn't put in all of the work and the steps that now every day to get to that point right so it's like it is that half that's like the strategy and the action and the way that I live my life daily which people could argue

well that's not the law of attraction that's just discipline and that's just showing up but then there's the other part that's like only one in 3,800 books makes that list, one in 3,800, a 0.28% chance. I've Googled it. And so there is a part. GPD in that. I did chat GPD do it. And it's like, it's a mixture of the two, isn't it?

I love it, because you can't quite explain it. You can't quite explain it. And I think even for me now, where I am sat here doing the podcast, having things that have happened to me, you know, since losing Tom, some people. online i get trolling that they're like she's just milking the death of tom and blah blah blah blah but it's like horrible no did tom manifest this life for me that he wanted me to have when he died or have i done it who knows but you know i think again what i've been teaching them kids when i was 19 however old i was is what you give out is what you get back like i've been through so much

shit. Maybe this is my law of attraction. Am I that I deserve to be hosting a podcast and be successful in my own right? And isn't it wild how if somebody dies, we forever tarnish that person like who, Ashley Kane and Safia? I feel like every time you see that that poor woman at an event or somewhere having fun, how dare she? You can't have fun. You look in the comments. There's always people that are saying, how can you be laughing while your child's dead? It's like, that doesn't define your entire life. Like, how can that define you for the rest of your life? Like, that's mental, isn't it? I just can't believe people actually comment and say things online. I am just like fuck them. And do you know what? What I think is weird online as well is that I've

now started to do more positivity on there. And you don't get the, the likes like you do, if I put something sad up? Oh really? Yeah. People just want the sadness. But are they looking at that? Like when something's sad, do you just comment because you actually, they're trying to uplift me? I don't know. It's a hard one, isn't it? I don't know. I really like a... I don't know, but it is weird. I must have watched like one thing on TikTok and then my entire algorithm. I don't really look on TikTok very much. So my algorithm's all like skewed. And I've just got like grief porn on there. It's all people that have had people die and I'm like why why is and they often say as well like people are trolling them saying like how can you use this platform and they're like I'm allowed to

express myself I'm allowed to express my grief I'm allowed to talk about my child or my partner or whoever it is that died like do you know what let people fucking live what is that book by Mel Robbins let them just let them if someone wants to talk there are people that have posted pictures of people that have died let them yeah let them do it if that's what helps them ill, let them. It's each of their own, isn't it? And you just think, like, you see it and you think, whoa, I don't know if I could do that. But if that's how they feel, then let them.

Yeah. It is literally let them. I just think as well that if you do go down the rabbit holes of how negative social media can be, it's quite draining. So I'm on this new, like, positivity, law of attraction. I find it hard to actually manifest. Okay. But I've done my human design. Have you ever done your human design?

people have done it for me and I don't know what it means what are you do you know what I can't even remember I bet you're like a manifesting generator this sounds familiar so if you're a manifesting generator everyone's like what the hell is Kelsey going on about right now but it's your human design it's who you are it's what you were made to be but mine is completely different so I find it actually really hard to manifest manifest manifest I can't even say it that's why it's not happening for me you can't even fucking say it Yeah. Do you?

In what way? Like, give me an example. What of like, I don't know. What do you do? I feel like I block energy sometimes so it doesn't happen for me. Right. Okay. So I'll write, I'll journal, I'll write things down.

But I don't think I was put here to be a manifester. I think I'm here for a different reason. Okay. This is really down a different path. Okay. I'll bring it back. So, your book. I do always think, though, like, it might be that journaling isn't for you.

Like, I hate journaling. Yeah. I never journal. I never write my goals down, really. If I want something, I just see a moment. Do you have an insatiable fascination with the paranormal? Are you ready to dive headfirst into the eerie realms of the unexplained? Brace yourself for the supernatural world is about to reveal all of its secrets on the paranormal activity podcast. And who better to guide you through this hair-raising journey than myself, Yvette. fielding, renowned paranormal investigator. Every episode of paranormal activity takes you on an unforgettable adventure into the unknown.

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That is the most important technique I've ever used to manifest anything. But if you are trying to, to manifest something and you're trying to visualize, like, say for example, right, you wanted to take your children. And as a single mom, this was my goal at one point to be like, I want to take my children on holiday by myself. That's like a really big thing for me to be able to do. And I want to be on a boat in the ocean with the wind. Do you know what I mean? I want to take them at brought, I want to do this. With the wind in my head. Yeah. And trying to like visualize that

goal of like, I'm going to take them on holiday. It'd be really hard. But if you pick a moment, so I picked this moment that I was like, I want to be on. a boat, I want to feel the sun. You know that feeling of being on a boat, like the breeze and like, I just visualised that moment. And it's so much easier then when you manifest it, you're like, oh, the moment is here rather than the whole thing. A little bit like with the Sunday Times best, I don't ever mentioned, I'm a Sunday

Times bestselling author. I don't know if you know, but it is in the news this week. This one opposite me is a bit of a big deal. But the same with that. Like, rather than trying to manifest the whole thing, it feels, it feels too vague. you visualise the specific moment of the person calling you and saying, oh my God, guess what? You made it.

You're on the list. And what you're going to do to celebrate that moment? I find that picking a pinpointed moment. So you just visualise that in your head? Yeah. Yeah. Visualise it but repeatedly. Like I do it on repeat.

So I would do it like more than once. It'd be something that you have to get obsessed with. I think a lot of goals, like you've got to be really obsessed to make them happen. And I think with goals, like they just want your own. energy. They just require your energy and your attention. And think about it. How many times have you written down goals at the beginning of the year or something? And then you can't actually even remember what they were. Like, you can't even remember how much time are you dedicating each day to the memory or the energy of that goal. So one of the things that's in this book, going back to

this book that is really good for mums is I find it really hard to set time aside to work on my own goals and stuff you know like I'm a single mom I'm either working or my children are there and they don't let me do shit about my goals they don't and on and on and on they do they never stop they don't stop and you're just like can you actually give me a second even on Sunday I was trying to do like a million things I had some brand work that I was super excited about going out and we was like running with it on Sunday and then I'm trying to make a dinner for everyone do this and they're going to me can you can you come you do this mom can you do this I'm like will like as in my partner is sat on sofa I'm like ask will he's actually just sat there

yeah but it's just mum isn't it it's like mum default parent I think as well for me that that's I'm all they've had so they come to me for everything they need to learn to go oh will's there I could just go and ask will now yeah but I think I'm like their or maybe figure it out yourself kids figure it out yourself they can't they truly can't but yeah this is one of the things so with the, you know, everyone knows that making a vision board for your goal is like really, really important. It's something that can really help you, but I ain't got time for that shit. So I discovered a few years ago, I like to call it crafting your vision. So my daughters love to sit and paint, color, draw, all that stuff. They love it. So I would sit down with

my daughter and every single time, I would sit there and paint. Our children don't want us to be running around, cleaning the kitchen, doing whatever, saying, oh, I'm too busy. I've just got to do this bit of work. They just want you to be present. And I think I speak for most moms. when we say, you know, we just want to be more present with our children. We want to spend more quality time. But also, some of that shit's boring, like boring as hell. So I would start sitting and I'd be like, Bo, I'm going to paint with you. And I would paint and draw my dream house over and over and over again.

Every time I'd do it with like this centralised arch window, a cherry blossom pink tree in the garden, a pool. I would do all the... Wow. Can I see this picture? You really good at art? No. I'm terrible at it. But I would do it over and over. And sometimes people say to me like, oh, what did you do with them after? Did you like say, you know, I chucked them in the bin. It wasn't important what you did with them.

It's that I'd sat there for half an hour thinking this is what I want my dream house to look like. And I genuinely did that over and over and over. Spoiler alert. That's what I do. A right move. Is that not what you do? Well, yeah. So that's it.

Yeah. Like anything that's giving your energy to it. So I now live in that house. I now have that centralised arch window. I've got a cherry blossom. Didn't even know it's a cherry blossom. Moved in in the dead of winter. Spring.

what a goddamn surprise. And so I have that exact house that I painted. But when things happen, do you think it is a surprise or do you say that was the law of attraction? So I think that we, have you heard the reticular activating system? No. Right. So as we go through our life, if you think, when you walk in here, there's millions of pieces of information, right? There's everything about you.

Your earrings you're wearing, the brand of this light, the color of this yellow. There's everything in here. But my brain only filters out what is relevant to the narrative of my life, right? So I can't pay attention to all these different things. But we do that every day. So everyone will have experienced this when you go, oh, I'm thinking of buying a Range Rover or I'm thinking of buying a pug. All of a sudden, everywhere you go, you will see Rangerover, Rangerover, Rangerover,

pug, pub. Or when someone else gets the car, you go, God, I've seen that car everywhere now. Exactly. You will literally see pugs everywhere. Does it mean that there's suddenly more pugs or rangerovers? Absolutely not. They were always there. But your reticular activating system is filtering out.

What is relevant to your narrative of your life? So if you applied that consciously and you told yourself, I am a successful woman. I'm the number one podcaster. I am an author. I'm desirable to men. I just think with men and women that we expect too much from a man and I am guilty of it.

I mean, poor Will, I've met him and he's like, I've literally been pulled from my mum's house now. You want me to actually be a man and do all this stuff? Like, what the fuck? Well, grow up? What?

Yeah, grow up. Like, I've literally been living at my mum's house for however long. Like, what the fuck else? But I think you have to accept and I think we're bad at accepting, aren't we, that person for who they are? We always want more.

I think it's very little to ask about, to be honest. I don't know. I just... See, my mum is very much a he-man. Hater. Really? She would, the life partners have just not been good choices.

Yeah. So with like different dads and stuff like that. But she says now, if she's split off of my stepdad, she would just be on her own. She's like, I am done with me. Like she loves Johnny. She accepts Johnny. But Johnny is hard work, my stepdad. Another child, people often say.

Oh, yeah. Do you know what? I do feel like it wasn't that long ago, our mum's generations where you had to be married. You couldn't get a mortgage on your own. You often couldn't have your own business. You couldn't have your own goddamn credit card. And we really needed men to survive. And now that we don't need them,

and they've had to raise that bar to have access to us, we're just like, oh, rather not actually. And I know there's exceptions to the rule. And I know some people are genuinely in love, and I'm so happy for them. But I just don't think it's for me. Yeah. Maybe you've not met your soulmate.

But maybe you wasn't meant to be here to meet your soulmate. Maybe your soulmate is someone else, like your mum, your sister. Yes. And you're an individual to be here because you're, spreading your love to so many other people that you because I obviously met my soulmate in Tom and like if you had met Tom

you'd be like oh my God because we were literally the boy and girl version of each other at that we met in our teenagers and we were the boy and girl version of each other I don't I met him outside of nightclub really randomly and fed in love and looked him as like I love him my friend's like you've never

spoken to him I just love him though I know that I'm in love of him really weird but that is like a one-off It's an exception, it's not the rule. That's not what the majority of women are saying. And that's what I mean. There are some people, who do I always think of? Dick and Angel Strawbridge, they seem really happy.

They seem really in love. I don't know why I always think of them. Or I always think like one man's treasures and other man's treasure. Like look at Spencer Matthews and Vogue. Like he was a slag on Maiden Chelsea. No one would do that slag. And now he's like a lovely husband. Like people can't, you can see when people find their person.

Yeah, they can find that person. And you can see it. I reckon Will's family and friends think that about him since meeting me. He's like he's a changed man. What's happened? How amazing. He's decided to change for me. Yes.

Well, I've got a very strong vision. I've always had this that I'll meet the love of my life when I'm 50 and that we'll go to India. Don't know why. I just really feel it in my bones. Like when my daughters are like university sort of age. You're going to do it. Much while will die because she'll be about 15. But also, let's normalise.

Like how nice that is that life is like a, a. tapestry and a journey and that actually I could meet someone in my 50s and that could be a really enriching part of my life. How incredible that you met somebody in your teens and that lasted what a decade maybe more? Yeah we were together 13 years mean Tom 13 years what a success. Like how amazing my mum and dad were married for 25 years and my dad always says I don't care what anyone says that was a success 25 years that is a success. Yeah massive success. Why do we see breaking up with people as a failure. Like people often say to me, because obviously I manifested my husband and then they're like, well, you're divorced now. I went on Lorraine the other week and Ran Veer was like,

well, you're divorced now. How did you manifest that? And I'm like, absolutely I did. Like, he brought so much value to my life. He taught me so many things that my own parents weren't able to teach me that how can I look back and be like that was a failure? It was six years of amazingness. It's your journey. It's you. It's what you're here to do. It's got nothing. do with anyone else again. It's like they're trying to call you out because you manifest and do all this. It's like, drag me down. Trying to drag you down. But do what I mean? I'm all because you've been for a divorce. Yeah. Because you're a single mom. Like, who cares? I think big up the single mums. I honestly have zero percent shame in being a single mom. And it wasn't always that way.

I used to feel like I had to have like a window cleaner on my grass cup because you know like the single mum on the street has always got like long grass. I just felt like that was a type. And now I just think I'm actually like the baddest bitch in my village, probably one of the richest and I'm fucking living my best life and I'm a single goddamn mum. And I've got more than one baby daddy like a slag. But that's all right. I'm living my best life. She's like Diane, ain't she? You've been for a moat. I should get together. I think you'd love her. You'd love her. But my mum's always like done this law of attraction with me. I don't, yeah, she has. She has actually done this.

Do you think she taught you it? Like subliminally as a child? I think she must have done. But I do definitely think, obviously, meeting Tom definitely took me to a different page. And I think with me, I've got so much going on with like, I'm confessing. I feel like I'm quite, I'm very witchy. Things happen to me. Are you a witch? Yeah.

Do you go to a coven? No, but things happen to me and I just can't explain it. Like what? Come on. Give us one. No, I just like, we'll just, like, we'll just. weird stuff all the time. If you, if you spent more time with me, you'd go, that was weird. Like, since meeting Will, he goes, like, to people, oh, you don't want to come into our house.

He's like, just weird stuff happens in the house. Like, I get signs, I get messages, people come to me. Like, it's very weird. Have you ever had a message in your sleep? Oh, I get all my dreams. Yeah. And my dreams become reality as well. So maybe that's my time to manifest. Yes. What I see in my dreams happens. Premonitions? Yeah. Wow. Wow. And can you differentiate that between a regular dream? Like, it feels different. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh my goodness.

But since, obviously, going through this with Tom, being at my lowest of the low, that's happened to me. And I guess, you know, I always talk about spirituality, and that's found comfort for me. Because I think you have to do what gets you through each day when you are living the darkest of times. Yeah. And you never chose to be a single mum.

And also, like, not all single moms are created equally. Like, you get no break. You get no time when they're with their dad, obviously. Like, that is a completely different. Yeah, because what I used to say was I was a solo parent. And I think that was harder because I didn't have the dad to come in and go, oh, don't worry, I'll take them. We'll swap every other weekend.

Like, there was not that. It was just constantly me. And because the kids lost their dad, it was even more on me because I was there absolute everything and I needed to be present and be with them because it's like well you can't go anywhere because dad's left us so you you've got to be here and show face mom anyway back to the book number one bestseller don't have I mentioned Sunday times go and buy it everyone needs to get out and get I've got my copy I'm going to like read this on the train on the way home and thank you I really really all I wanted for this like I wrote this when I was in like my

depths my depths of despair you know when like you just feel like like I remember once like doing this thing where I was on Instagram like a live or something and I was like I don't think well I haven't actually got my nails done today but it's not the point but I can't imagine ever having my nails done again like I couldn't because my days were just spent 14 hours a day breastfeeding in a little house in a village where I didn't know anyone with twins with twins don't ever mention that but just I could never see like I feel like especially in motherhood we feel like every stage is permanent. But do you know what?

It's not. I don't ever feel like that. You don't? It's because you're a witch. Yeah, because I just think it's all so short-lived. Like, you feel like your breastfeeding. But again, that's short-lived until how, even if you're feeding until you choose to feed to their three or two.

Like, that goes so quickly. Like, how my kids are six and one's turning five. I can't believe that I'm there and there's been six years of my life. Like, it's all just a phase in a stage and where I'm. I only had you hear such a short period of time. So when you look at something, can I go, oh, well, it's only like a phase of them, a phase doing that. Yeah, well, that's what I needed, but I felt like it was just... You needed me.

I needed you. You didn't know where I was. Who were you? We were both pregnant at the same time, having babies in different places locked down. Do you remember, so if you had your baby the same time as me, so you weren't allowed to, I remember there was another girl in my village that also had twins, and we used to just take our prams and walk them around the village. And then we accidentally met this other mum, and we were like, oh, should we sit on this bench? And they were like, no, it's illegal to sit on the bench. Do you remember that?

And we're like, if someone looks out their window and puts it on the village Facebook group, that there's three of us convening and including the four babies, that's like, that's too many people. I can't even add up our money yet. How wild. It was wild. And now they're at school. Lockdown babies are at school.

This is a new era for me. Schoolgirl, mum. Who am I. Are you liking it? Fucking loving it. I am loving it. Are you loving it because you feel like you get your life back now? Right.

Let me tell you. I think there's a big difference between paying for childcare that is your choice. And I know that school is still a choice and we can choose to take our children out. But it's a difference between being like, I'm choosing to put my children into nursery. And for me, I was like, oh, I felt so guilty. And I did two days a week to like the government saying, right, it's school hours now. You do it Monday to Friday. It's almost like my dad's allowed me to do something.

And I'm like, thank you. thank you so like now I just got five days a week to like live my life and I could not be happy I was sad but yeah I was sad when bode I feel like with bo because he's an october baby I've had him with me forever say yes he's only ever done three days at nursery like you said of like choice so I've always had him on a Monday and Friday and he's done all of his activities and then when he started I was like oh my baby and even yesterday because obviously it was like the first like proper he's It's like, I'm not going. I'm like, yeah, you are. You are. Got my laugh to live now. I'm like, you're going. He's like, no, I don't go Monday.

I'm like, you love school anyway. And he does actually love it. And he's actually been great starting school. Oh, it is, yeah. It's an end of an era, isn't it? When you're, but I just, I'm so excited for it. And I feel like when you've been used to like having only two or three days a week, and I would feel like, because it was so expensive, I was like, right, you can't talk to me.

I'm not coming for lunch. I'm just working. Like, I have to make it most of this time. But now, this ain't on my dime. Do you know what I mean? Well, it's on my tax dollar, but it's not on my, it's not on my time. So I'm just like, I'm going to have this new easy life. This is my theme for the next era is I want to have an easy, soft girl life

because I've struggled for five years. I'm on that page. Should we high five? Let's do it together. Let's do it. And I feel like this is what I need now. Just life give me like rainbows and butterflies because that's what I deserve. That is what you deserve.

And I just feel like, you know how, like, you know how, like, So they say the universe loves a vacuum. So if you have a space in time or your calendar or your house or whatever, it will always fill it, like unless you're conscious about it. So I'm very aware that if I didn't actively change my mindset, I've spent five years feeling overwhelmed, rushed off my feet, don't have time for this, don't have time for that. That would just continue. And my work would just fill five days a week. So now I'm very conscious about saying like, no, I'm a school mum now. And I'll just like take my time and I'll like walk the dog for an extra half an hour and I'll watch this morning on my sofa and I'm like who is this bitch? Who am I? So yeah I think

we have to really conscious to like keep that level of ease because otherwise you'll just fill up the time and you'll just be and you hear it all the time people saying oh I thought I'd have loads of time when they're at school and then it just yeah just make the most of the time yeah have a nap have a nap I've had so many naps have you yeah I just couldn't do it you can you can you can You can, Kelsey. Try. But I do feel like, like you said, because I'm on this ease now and I'm only getting the butterflies and the rainbows

and whatever else to me, that it doesn't go as quick. When I used to drop a radio off, he's been like, oh my God, back up to school, da, da, da, da. Like, I feel like the days of, I've spent more time doing stuff for me. But what would be you one bit of advice or anything, a message for people to get the book? Who needs this? I would say, it's for anyone really, but specifically for mums that feel like they've tried self-development, they've tried manifestation, and they've not been able to keep up with the 10-point checklist, the five things you've got to do before everyone wakes up, nah, that ain't for me.

Like everything in this book takes no extra time or energy, you're able to include your children in it, and you're able to completely transform your life. Yay, thank you so much. You have been an absolute. Thank pleasure. Can we have. have a back. That's a wrap on another episode of Mums the Word. Thank you so much for joining us today as we were joined by the amazing Francesca Amber. Follow us on socials at at Mums the Word underscore pod and subscribe to our YouTube channel

where you can watch our episodes in full. Just search Mums the Word. Until next time, I'm Kelsey Parker and this is Mum's the Word. And we'll be back with another episode, same time, same place, next week.