Mum's The Word! The Parenting Podcast - GEMMA BIRD: Money, Motherhood & Misconceptions

Episode Date: August 3, 2025

This week on Mum’s The Word, Kelsey Parker is joined by the brilliantly down-to-earth Gemma Bird, aka @MoneyMumOfficial.From busting the myths about being a full-time influencer to sharing her top money-saving hacks, Gemma brings her signature honesty and humour to the mic.They chat about what it’s really like being the main breadwinner while her husband is a stay-at-home dad, the judgment that sometimes comes with that setup, and why she still co-sleeps with her youngest.It's a refreshingly real conversation about modern family life, finances, and doing things your way.Whether you're here for the tips or the truth bombs, this one’s not to be missed. 💥A Create Podcast Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Welcome back to Mum's The Word, I'm your host Kelsey Parker and today I'm joined by the amazing Gemma Bird. After pulling herself out of debt, she used her cash saving hacks to build herself a career, while also helping others. After initially working as an estate agent, she realised she had a gift when it came to making the most of her money and she became a content creator. In 2019 she set up her Instagram page, at money mum official to share her money making and saving tips. Gemma met her husband Adam on a dating app in 2011 and a year later their son Brody was born. In 2014 they got married and five years, their daughter Bronty came along.

So grab a cuppa, get comfy, and let's jump into a brand new episode of Mum's The Word. So Gemma, my amazing friend Gemma is on the pod. Thank you for joining me today. Right,ce yourself. Oh, gosh, I feel like this is a big moment. I wanted you to introduce me. I have. I've introduced you already.

So I'm Gemma Bird, AKA Money Mom. And yeah, that's it really. That's who I am. That's not just it, is it? How did you become the Money Mom? So all my life, I've basically been good at saving. I'm not really good at much, but I'm really good at saving money.

Never have earned big money. I'd always earned like small money when I was at school. I used to look for pennies going to school. Mum and dad never had any money. I'd never come from it. And it was always that I'd saved. And when I sort of started looking at Instagram, I suppose, going back sort of to 2019,

it was all this glitz and glam everything was Chanel bags standing in front of cars and Leboutins all this and I just thought oh you know what I'm just going to share my life and being a mum but I'm also going to share money tips but not money tips as in like high-end money tips like pensions and investments I'm just going to share day-to-day stuff like okay well don't buy that out keep buying that out because if you do that that's £10 but then over the month that's £40 and over the year it's that and then you can pay for this and that's just how my mind's always worked and I just started doing that like going into Tesco's and getting deals and just sharing real relatable things and saying look I bought this off vintage and I'm wearing it again. I'm

buying things from the supermarket, I don't have, I have got the odd designer handbag and that's absolutely fine for a treat, but not everybody generally goes out every day to Chanel. Most people generally go out to the supermarkets. Other than you babes. Most people just go have a normal life. And because I started doing my money tips and just all the different things that I do

from high-end things to low-end things, everybody just started calling me Money Mom. So I never gave myself the name. Everybody just started calling me it. So I did that. the name everybody just like calling me it so I did really swole your name before that on it bird watching for because I'm Gemma bird and there's four of us bird watching for and I just started doing money tips and I did Gemma's no spend day and everyone started doing that and it was just a bit of like encouragement trying to get people into a way of saving money to do you find it hard to build the following or was the following how do people

start following you so what I did was I created hashtag Gemmas No Spend Day and every time somebody did a day where they didn't spend anything and we'd have a bit of a laugh because someone would say to me, oh I just need to go and buy some pasta and I'd be like no no it's Gemmas No Spend Day you can't even spend like 50p on a packet of pasta they'd be like what on right you've got to use up what you had in your cupboards it was getting people in the mindset of trying not to spend the day and enjoying life. And I think COVID actually showed a lot of us what really means to us in life. It isn't designer handbags, it's friends and family and seeing people. That is actually what's really important. Like going for a cup of coffee, going for a walk, seeing your loved ones is so important. And you

know that more than anything, your loved ones is the most important thing in the world. So I never gave myself the name. I just started saying Gemma's No Spend Day. And then building the following was everybody then I said to everybody, right, you use that hashtag and then tag me in your stories. And then I used to do another thing where I used to do shout outs, dancing shout outs. Okay. So I used to stand there with a board that I wrote on. It was something fancy saying, I don't know, follow Kelsey, for example, and put put your at and I used to do a dance like follow the leader, leader, leader, follow and then obviously if that big account would then put me on their stories because they'd seen I'd gone into loads of effort and they'd say oh wow thanks for this, follow money mum. So I used it as, because

I'm such a great believer, you get somewhere in life if you all work together, you should never be you know, oh my god I'm never going to share anyone on on my page so I did lots of shares for shares and what I also did was I DM'd people that were the same similar size accounts to me so when I had ten thousand I went to people with sort of five to ten thousand said hey if I share your account will you share my account and I did it like that I did it like a business I suppose being money mom and I'm quite like that. Gemma do you feel like people still like that? Because I feel like that has sort of gone. It has gone. I think people are quite selfish out there online now. They are and that's what I was about to say. Unfortunately that world has changed. But

even at the time there was loads of people that just ignored me and didn't want to do it and then when I grew then came in my inbox. Then they wanted a bit of you. But then what did you do then? When I... Two wrongs don't make a riot. Two wrongs don't make a riot. Some people if I thought it was a genuine they hadn't seen it But the other people that I thought now you're just using me then I didn't but I just I just Didn't didn't do it. Do you see what I mean? I just politely declined never be nasty to anyone

So it's not in my nature I don't think you should be but it is really sad because in life we get some we get more the more we share each Other the more we help each other along I'm about that life and you know, even when I met you, we're both on the same page. But like, I remember, obviously, even before Tom got sick, right, and I was in, I think mine used to be like Kelsey Bell 90.

Did it? And then I changed it and was like, so weird. I was like, do you know what? Tom, I'm gonna change my name on Insta. He was like, oh yeah. I was like, I'm gonna just be in Kelsey, because that's all I can do is just be me online And I feel like people aren't authentic online. I'm just gonna be me

So obviously this is when I had like I think at the time I might have had like 40,000 followers something like that And I used to go to these mom events and people were so mean the mom events were so clicky I didn't feel like anyone wanted to help each other They all just were out for themselves Yeah, I completely agree with you and it makes you feel really really really low actually and I've really even now I Remember those people that were really nice to me and even now when I go to certain things Like you'll go over to pay someone and I've talked to everybody. I don't care what size you account is I don't care for famous if you're non famous and you know what I'm like at these events. I talk to I do vouch for I think me and Gemma on the same page. We literally but that's how you meet people

That's how you yeah, and I love it. I enjoy people. I love people Yes, I love people. I love knowing people's stories. Yeah, why what what they do? Like even I had a girl play for Tom's charity football match, Megan Bolton, I got put next to her at the beauty awards. We hit stuff like a house on fire. There's probably like 10 years between us. She's like on TikTok. Obviously I didn't even know what TikTok following she actually had. No I'm not terrible on TikTok. She's got like 2.8 mil. Oh really? Yeah I wouldn't know TikTokers. I would not have a clue. Literally beautiful red hair just again talking. She'd come play to my charity football match.

Like I'm all about the connection and meeting people. Yeah, and after I just think that's so important. And for me, it was always been about that. But yeah, you do go to things. And even now I will go to certain things and I'll speak to somebody or I'll say hello and they will look at me like they don't wanna know me. They don't wanna talk to me like,

they'll look at me like, oh, well I'm more well known than you or I've got more followers than you or there'll be clicks. Unfortunately there's clicks in all walks of life, there could be clicks at mum's school gate, there could be clicks at everything. So I just need to think that you just got to keep going and it's really really hard because I suffer massively of anxiety. So when I go to these events and people didn't want to know me and didn't want to talk to me, that still happens now. Do you know what I do even more, when I know they don't want to talk to me I go and talk to them

So I think if they're trying to avoid me I think no You know remind me so much of little Kelsey my best friend really else before yes I have I met her at the winter wonderland Yeah, Kelsey is so funny because obviously she's in that world of the mum influence of place right and sometimes I just say to her Just shut up and stop having word from it I'm like we've been places before and people don't want to talk to us. She'll be laughing her head off at this. And I'll be like, Kelce, they don't want to talk to you. Like read the signs. But she has like, she can't see it. Yeah. She's like, I'm just going to carry on talking to them. Like I'm not picking up on the fact that these girls

do not want to talk to me. And I think it's, I think it's, I've just been killed people with kindness. So if they don't, I always go, if I know that they're sort of ignoring me, I go, oh, hello, nice to see you again. You okay? Oh, it's lovely to see you. Oh, you're doing really well. Because I don't care if they're doing well.

Do you see what I mean? Like, I think that's a lot of the problem with women. Like they say, women support women. They don't. Most women don't support women actually. And it's terrible. I genuinely do. Because it does not affect me.

This is what I never can get my head around. If you are worth 1 billion pounds right now What effect does that have on my life? None? Absolutely none. So why am I gonna be jealous of you or I don't I physically don't understand it Maybe it's just the way I'm wired. I don't get it Like it's not it doesn't mean that I can't then earn a billion pounds because Kelsey earns a billion pounds It's still I can still go and do that as well. Do you think that person is in their head?

They're actually in their head and they they scare themselves. I don't, I don't know either because I, I think, you know, Mel Robbins, Robinson, is she Mel Robinson? Who's that? Mel Robbins. I don't remember her. Oh, my baby's so bad anyway. She says let them, she's the let them theory.

Okay. And it's about letting people like you do you. I don't know about anyone. I don't know about anyone. I don't know about anyone. I don't know about anyone. I don't know about anyone. I don't know about anyone. I don't know about anyone. I don't know about anyone. I don't know about anyone. I don't know about anyone. I don't know about anyone. I don't know about anyone.

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I don't know about anyone. I don't know about anyone. I don't know about anyone. I don't know about anyone. I don't know about anyone. I don't know about anyone. I don't know about anyone. I don't know about me and I'd just forget. Yeah. No, and I think that's important. Like, it is true, like, because otherwise, if you constantly spend all your time worrying about everybody else around you, like, where are we going to get in life? And also, it's going to put a dampener on you.

So now I do, I think, I'm 44 this year, so I think it does come without age as well. Like, I think the older I've got now, I just go to the events and I suppose I'm not a young influencer, whatever you want to call me, social person. When I go to these events, I just go and talk to everybody and if they want to talk to me. You look like a young influencer at the Bafters baby. Well I do have Botox but I am nearly 44 so I will allow that and I didn't have it till I was 39. So but yeah exactly like just I think you have to just go to things enjoy yourself talk to everybody And if they want to talk to you great, and if they don't then that's on them Yeah, I think well I'm a bit of a hoot so you've lost out there. Yeah, I'm a good time

I'm a fun person. Yeah, so much fun if you spoke to me. You're gonna be so bored now You're gonna wish you spoke to me the worst night ever, but you know what even my mom now you're gonna wish you spoke to me. You're gonna have the worst night ever. But you know what, even my mum, she's always been like my person that I followed and we've been saying to her for ages, like mum, just get on Instagram, get talking, like you're so good with advice,

like everyone's always gone to my mum for advice and she was so nervous, like to start talking. And she started one. Yeah. Oh my god, I need to follow her. I'm gonna follow my mum, she's hilarious. You could get daily dog walks, all the food she's cooking, her fitness. Like she does it all now on there, but she's like, I'm over it.

I'm over the judgement of people. Because she was probably thinking, oh what are my friends gonna think? I'm in my 50s. You know actually she's almost closer to the 6o. What are my friends gonna think of me if I start doing Instagram? But I was like, but why not? why not share what you've got for people and that's it like if anybody can start it the way I look at it with like social media and I suppose this isn't the the money side of me coming out what business can you start this free it's free to start it it's an app that's free and if it takes

off it can change your life so why not free. And if it takes off, it can change your life. So why not try it? And if it takes off, all the people that then doubted you like loads of people was like, Jim, what are you doing? Like, close friends, my close friends were just like, I know this was this will work, because they kind of know me and they know that what I think and then and then other people were just sort of saying like, they have little digs like making a living from Instagram or that's not going to happen or you just get like little digs but I just used to think, oh, whatever. People probably say that now actually though, don't they?

Yeah. Oh, yeah. How's your little account? How's your little job? Things like that. And I'm like, A little job's doing me all right. Yeah.

My little job's actually doing me well. Took me to the BAFTAs. I go to all these awards. Yeah. I'm on the TV. Yeah. I'm doing okay with my little job, but I call everything little. Everything's little to me. I'll be like, oh, little this, little that. But I think that's what keeps you humble as well. I'm very, very well aware as well.

We're also very, very lucky to do this job. I will say that right. Whatever it is, whether it's the BAFTAs, NTAs, Pride of Britain, events that we get to go to, gifted items we get, free holidays. They say they're free, but what people don't see is you've worked for a whole year blogging your life for zero pay to build up that following, to get those people watching, and then you get that reward. It's delayed gratification. You don't get it straight away. Nothing comes in life straight away. Nothing's free. No one's lucky in life. So when you see an influencer and they have gone away

and they might have a million followers and people are like, why don't they give it to Joe Next Door? Because why would that company give it to somebody with 100 followers? Because they're not gonna get a return on investment themselves, no one's watching their stories. Whereas if they give it to Money Mom or Kelsey, they might have 100,000 people on their stories

or 50,000 or 20,000, they've got eyes on it, so it's advertising to them. But how did Kelsey and Money Mom get those eyes on that follower? They probably did all year grafting grafting grafting asking people to show them go into events spending their money going to events earning Absolutely nothing trying to get their name out there building their brand and that's what people don't see about online It's not an overnight success. None of this is an overnight success. It takes a long hard time I'm still not there yet. It takes a long hard time. I'm still not there yet. You're still not there yet. I'm sure in your own mind,

there's always things we want to do that we want to achieve. I've thought about this. Oh, should I start a podcast? There's always something we want to do for the next stage. It's how do you go about it? Like I come in and out, I think, Oh God, I'm nowhere near as successful as Kelsey. Look at her. She's got a podcast. I've not got that. So we're always looking for the next thing. We never think we're doing well enough, but then you might look at me and think, Oh, Gemma's done that. Well, there's probably nothing I have done that you haven't. But do you see what I mean? I bet there is Gem.

But there's always things that you can admire in somebody else. So instead of being jealous, think to yourself, you can be jealous in a good way. Like, I'm so jealous of that. I would be like, Oh, I'm so jealous that she's got that amazing successful podcast, but I'm not jealous of you as in like I want to do it So but then I would use that to my advantage I'd be like, okay. Well if Kelsey's done it, why can't I do it? Do you see what I mean? Yeah, I think it's trying to have that mindset which is easier said than done But no one's an overnight success and no most people unless they're literally born into being a billionaire's kid Lucky most people have to work long, hard hours.

Everyone has to work. And I just don't think sometimes people see with Instagram and socials, what work goes in behind the scenes and what you're doing and what you're creating and what you're tidying up in your house to make it look a little bit presentable. Oh, there's so much.

That 15 second advert is not 15 seconds. Do you see what I mean? It's the editing, it's then they come back to you. You should change a thing. Then you've got to think of a cover photo. You've got to think of a caption. You see the editing, then they come back to you, they want you to change a thing, then you've got to think of a cover photo, you've got to think of a caption. You then maybe have to go up to London to film it, you've then got to come down.

Nothing's too, even today, just getting here, the kids have gone on the school run, we've got on the train, we've come in here, we then have to go home. I then got men's to do. It's, you're working all day, and I love it, and I'm lucky to do it, I am, part of me is lucky to do it. And it could be over tomorrow, so I'm lucky to do it. I am part of me is lucky to do it and it could be over tomorrow

So I'm trying to now enjoy every single solitary moment and soak it up and know how lucky I am and also be very Careful with it like being money mom. I've put everything away Of course I have because I'm very aware that's the cash cool side because I think it could all be gone tomorrow and it could be and And it does worry me of course even life, like people obviously say to me, oh, you've just used Tom to build this or grief or whatever. But people can't actually go, do you know what? She's seizing every opportunity.

She's actually been through the worst thing you could possibly go through. And that I'm, people just think that I'm like, what do I get called? Like the money grabber, fame whore, loads of different things. Basically me just loving, I'm here for the clout and then whatever else,

but it's not actually, I've been through something so bad. Why wouldn't I want to do my own podcast? Why wouldn't I want to be at the BAFTAs? And you're very young, why should your life stop? Why should your life stop? And also also if Tom was here and asked, I said to you before the podcast, I wish I'd met him, I didn't meet him, I met you after unfortunately and I'd love to have met him because all the stories

I've heard from you and that he just seems like such an amazing dad and I'm sure now if he was sitting in this chair next to me and I said this to him and I say when you're gone do you want her to make sure your children are alright and that she works and that she brings in the money? I bet you'd say to me absolutely Gem, I want her to do well, I want her to have a life. I feel like he put me in boot camp I feel like he put me in like 13 years of boot camp of him just feeding me all this stuff that he wanted what I should be doing like Tom was that person that he'd go into the shower and come up with an invention and come out and be like I've got I've got an idea or he'd be ringing people

going like this is what you need to do like he just always his brain just Tick tick tick and I feel like he's now given that to me and what life he wanted for the kids I'm now trying to do that and you know as a as a mom What we do for our kids like even mind just the activities and where I drive around to have an evening They cost money the activities like what you you have to work. You have to do it have to be able to provide for them. I don't know what people want me to do though? Where should I be working? Unfortunately it's really sad isn't it because what yeah it's really really sad because are people then saying that they want a grieving widow to just grieve forever and be unhappy and and and just cry and

not take her children out and get on with life is that what people are saying they want you to do continuously be unhappy and cry all the time? That's absolutely terrible. But if I was like that people are like, oh, can she get over it? Yeah, exactly. It's like the whole too fat, too thin. If you put too much, oh my God, look how much weight she put on and you get too thin. Oh, she's too thin now. Yeah, or you're too rich or you're too poor. And I always think I had lots of people follow me and sometimes some people then unfollow me and was a bit nasty and said, oh, I've've unfollowed you now and it was almost like I've unfollowed you because you've got successful

They like to see you try and I'm like, but that's what we do We build people up and then when they actually are successful we got I don't really like them anymore I liked when that is that is the definition of the UK. Yeah, I don't feel like America is like that I feel like America they're're like, everyone's successful and they really want everyone to do so well. But here we're like, we will build you up, but we will pull you down. Yeah, and that's just absolutely horrible.

I wouldn't want to get to the top of anything in this country because I would be so scared that you couldn't do it. I think we have a nice media menu. We do the TV, we do the stuff. Our lives are online. There are horrible things that are said about us, but we can ignore it. As in like, I don't read anything.

So I come and see you today for a cup of coffee. I go home, I do my stuff. And if I'm slagged off, I don't ever see it. So I live in Gemma's head, which is absolutely great. I don't want to read it. Because the beauty I always say, everyone's always bitched about, as in like, I could go out this room now and talk about you,

but the beauty of it actually, Kelsey, is you don't know what I've said. But where me and you can read it online, if that gets in our heads, of course, that could lead to suicide, that could lead to anything. This is why people need to be so careful what they write online. I mean, I'm older, so I don't look.

I never ever, ever look. I mean, it's just, I think when I first started it, I looked, and I remember that then sends you down an absolute rabbit hole of absolute thing I grew loads of followers because I've been in those things now. Oh, she bought her followers Just because I've done well and I've been successful. So I literally can't know I wouldn't buy my photos cuz I'm cuz I'm money mom. I'm money mama Even though I had all these brand deals. I was on TV. I had a number one book. I had Sunday Times bestseller deals, I was on TV, I had a number one book, I had a Sunday Times bestseller. Woohoo!

Do you see what I mean? Like, no one, there's loads of people that were really, really kind, there is, but there's always that small percentage of, well how, how's she done that? Well, just because I've worked really, really hard is how I've done it, really hard. I've got, I've asked people to share me, I've done, I've put the work in. I did a dance. Yeah, I danced for this. I danced for you.

So yeah, so, whatever you do, people will be, will danced for this. I danced for you. So yeah, so whatever you do people will be unkind. So I just think with you, I honestly think you are absolutely amazing. You're a mum that as a widow at such a young age, right? You're a young person and anyone that doesn't want you to have happiness then that's on them. Never worry about that. That is a them problem, not you. But I always say a little less judgment, little more kindness and I think so many people need to take that like there's so many people online that need to think like someone someone said something the other day about Aralia like a troll and said oh that is brat

springs to mind so I out her whole page. I've met Aralia she's not a brat she's a nice little girl. How nice is she to play with Broncie my little one. She's such a one? She's such a bronzy Will you come here and play with me? Did she's the most lovely They're all standing there the three of them all order in the food, but they are such lovely little girls I really I mean anyone that trolls a child You are mentally deranged. But also on this lady's page, it was all positive affirmations. Oh gosh. It literally was the irony. I was like, how? Like I was like, right, I never normally look at it. I was like, what's that brat springs to mind about Ray? And I went on, I was like, the whole page is about being positive. That would devisate me. If I ever read anything about the children, that would make me really upset.

I wouldn't, I don't know how to cope with it. I luckily I haven't I probably is there are loads though do you ever not loads no but enough there will be a bit enough but they are honestly really really nice don't get me wrong they can sometimes be little sods and they can sometimes be naughty kids can't but they're really well mannered they're really really nice they're really really kind yeah sometimes they can be naughty sometimes they can be a brat and then I will tell them off if they are but they're nice children Like if yeah, I just think how even if I fell out of you tomorrow, I can honestly on my children's life I would never badmouth you your family like it's just disgraceful It is disgraceful, but I just think how can you actually go online and slag someone off that you don't even know

It's bizarre. You're seeing like five minutes of them online Really if you it content in a day, they're five minutes aren't they of your life belly than that really? Yeah, and I don't if I have a row with Adam for example. I choose to show what I want online I wouldn't put that on there. I don't actually have him that much, but of course I'll have him He's my husband and I'm obsessed with him as you know, I'm not absolutely obsessed with him But she loves him so much. I know I am obsessed with him But I wouldn't then go and share that or if Brody's been naughty I wouldn't necessarily share that so I still have my private life and my own things and I still have problems going on that I don't share everything on there either so you don't know what's going on

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Oh, he's just lovely. He's just the nicest man. She loves him so much. Look at her face. I do really love him. He's just so nice. What app did you meet him on? Yeah, I met him on Match. I'd gone through a divorce. I was absolutely devastated. I was 29, I genuinely thought my life was over. I'd never meet anybody again. I'd never move on. And then I met Adam and Jay.

Like when he texted me even now, I get butterflies. And I met him at 29 and I'm now only 44. So how long was you married for? I was married, what, the first time? Three years. So you met someone, were together, got married. We were together 10 years in total, yeah. And then he left me when I was 29 or 28 coming up to 29.

So yeah, so it was really, really difficult at the time. I was devastated, but then it was the best thing that ever happened to me. Did you feel like you was gonna never meet anyone? Yes, because I was coming up for 29 at the time. I was 28 when he left and I was coming up to 29, I had my own home with him and everything and all that goes overnight, all the friends that you've built around you

sort of go overnight, your circle collapses, your home goes, everything and move back in with mum. So then when I met Adam, must've been nearly a year later. I was- That was really soon, that was a bit too soon. Yeah, well, and I'm not gonna lie, I was still in love with my ex when I met him. Really? Completely and utterly, yeah, completely and utterly. And I even said that

to him on our first date. I was like, do you think you'll come back to me? I remember saying him. He was like, uh, uh, well, this date's going well. Like I'm never going to see you again type thing. Like it was so, it was the worst date, honestly. What was that? Yeah, yeah. That's how it started. Honestly, it was so bad. Though I've never, ever said that either online ever to anyone. And yeah, it was just, it Honestly, it was so bad. No, I've never ever said that either online ever to anyone and yeah It was just it was it was just terrible And because I was in such a bad place because it wasn't something that I wanted the first time around and then obviously I got Through it, but I do believe that like yeah Adam sort of he almost counseled me through

Which is so bad, but he did and now like yeah What sort of relationship with he been in before? He'd also been married before as well and been left So both of us had been left and it was both sort of similar to us almost a year apart That's like you were drawn together Yeah, we neither of us had kids either and we were both left Both of us didn't want it at the time and yeah But we say now like it was the right thing because now we've met each other

So I'm really like everyone's like, oh, do you are you annoyed with them? I'm like no, I'd thank them if I met them i'd be like, thank you so much because you doing that I've met adam and i've had my children. Yeah, i've met the love of my life Met the love of my life and then yeah just being with him He's just he's a stay at home dad now because I do this job and a lot of people can't get their head around that And you know one thing I do want to talk about stay at home dads They need a massive shout out right because you know what really annoys me and it aggravates me so much when people say to me but what does Adam do when I say

and then I go I see what Adam does yeah he has to get out and he has to cut the grass yeah he doesn't stop she's bought a house where the garden is so big Adam has to do it all that must do it all and do you know the funny thing right? I might ring Adam up. Yeah, Adam is literally does everything. But no one would say this to a woman. When you say, when I say people is a start and a doubt, people go, what does he do? If you go on a start and a mum, no one goes to a mum.

What do you do? I'm like, what do you think he does? He does my invoices, he helps me film, he picks the kids up, he mows our lawn because we've just moved, we do have a very big garden Which I did eventually tell him my mom head on and said you can cut that by hand Well, he with a sit on it takes four to five hours. So yeah and the streaming so couldn't do that So well quickly I was like Adams like Gemma. We have to buy a sit on and luckily his mom was all right I'm gonna get you a sit on my poor Adam. I was like, oh dear now his mom's getting involved by him the mower

This is really bad. So I was like, okay. So yeah, he is absolutely my rock. He's absolutely lovely He's really kind. He looks after the children He does absolutely everything like even to the BAFTAs He was ironing my clothes and then I wondered where but the bottom of me dress cuz upstairs didn't pay out for some to Take it up. Just got some wonder web of Amazon and did it myself and on the morning he's holding it for me. I do like Gemma's stories though because she'd put that up like I did put that up did you see it? I'm basically gonna cut the end of the dress off myself yeah and no one believed me but I was thinking oh my god I'm very lucky my auntie makes costumes, Bor them in Latin dresses, styles me. Like, if I have...

Like, basically, she does my alterations for anything like that. So I was thinking, oh my God, my auntie would be having a heart attack if I sent her you right now. Does Gemma want me to go round there? But did you? I did it. And on the morning... And I did it at 9.30 in the morning, and Gemma Solomon was coming round mine for 11.30 to leave. And I was... I had a Wonderweb... I hadn't even even gotten in the shower and I literally put the Wonderweb on and I

steamed it up the front and then I'm giving it to a lovely a lovely young girl to wear to prom so I've just sit with a smallness I'm just gonna put it in the washing machine and Adam's gonna iron it and then I'm gonna send it out to her. Yeah so that's what Adam does I mean I'm trying to convert Will to be the stay-at-home dad. I could not do my job without Adam. Adam's gonna take the kids to school this morning. He's dropped me to the station to come and meet you. And then I was like, oh, I need to get a coffee. And he's like, and he even said to me, can't just get a coffee with Kelsey when you get there. I said, well, I don't know what our plans are. So I literally getting to save money when I thought

I'm not buying one from the shop. So when he looked, I went in the supermarket and I got one off the shelf because I thought that saved me two quid. She's always about saving that money. My girl. I am. I'm literally like that in life. So when did Adam become, I'm like sweating out, when did Adam become a stay at home dad? Well, I would say full time for the last three years when this really took off for me really. But also I do feel like there's probably loads of dads

out there that would love life to be a stay at home dad. Yeah, I mean, I think there's loads of dads that wouldn't as well. Like I do think Adam does find it hard. And one thing I do think is hard with Adam, and luckily he loves being on his own, which is good, is the social side for stay at home dads is hard. Cause we can go out for a coffee,

but most of the men are working. Do you see what I mean? So say like, it'd be good if he knew like a Will, and say Will was a stay at home dad local, and he's like, right, let's go out for a game of golf mate, or let's meet for a coffee. Cause I you think that's the only thing that worries me? But adds doesn't seem to worry about that and he's he's so chilled out. He's yeah We'll are on the same page. They are so chilled. Whereas I am anxious and I worry about

Every single storage thing you worry about. I mean I honestly say to Adam I'm really worried because I forgot what I was worrying about I have been known to say that because my tummy's got a worry belly as well call it a worry belly And then I'm like oh my god. I'm really worrying about something so I worry about everything I'm anxious about everything and I suffer with such bad depression and anxiety like even this morning He knew it was good for me that I was coming to see you because he knows I've got to get out of bed To start my day to get up and so the night before so I couldn't I don't know how I'd survive without him when obviously I'd have to but it'd be so difficult

So that's why I'm always like with you like wow Like you've started your life again like amazing because I know Tom was like that with you wasn't he like so good like you'll rock Where you speak about yeah, and also do you know what I feel like my I was speaking to Kelsey this morning about this like So where would you say Kelsey because you're Kelsey, it's crazy isn't it? Me and my best friend Kelsey, like I feel like my role has reversed, not saying that Will is the stay at home dad but Tom did so much for me and obviously Tom was in the band, there's no way that I was ever ever going to make that sort of money that he was making. ever going to make that sort of money that he was making.

He always looked after me, he was so kind, so caring. And I just think, you know, even with life, that like what you give out is like what you get back. And now it's like my time to be here and provide and do everything. Yeah, and sometimes it's like, well, how can I afford to like be off and put your child, especially when they're young. So for us, I mean, Adam could do something now,

but he does do something. He goes on my filming, like I need him there. Do you see what I mean? Adam, I need you. I need my dress teamed. I need more invoices done. And he probably like organized you. He's even done today.

He's put all in my calendar where I'm going. He dropped me at the station. He told me what trains to get. Cause most of us have like PAs or somebody that runs our things for us. And I used to have that with my management, but the girls left now. So I've now got Adam and then I've got my agent, my PR and other things. But you do need a team. It takes a team.

It does take a team and a village. And I am lucky because I've got lots of, I've got my mum, I've got my auntie. I am so fortunate to have them because they help me. They get me out of the house and get me organised. That's amazing. Yeah, my mum's amazing but she doesn't live near me. She's like nearly an hour away and doesn't drive so it's harder. But I see her as much as I can obviously. Right, give me some of your top tips for people then. Well, the first top tip is I always say to anyone, a lot of people say to me, I'm in debt. Especially if it's a small amount of debt and and debts debt and it's keeping you up at night

Whatever debt is never try and say because I somebody say to me the other day Oh, I've got about two thousand pounds that I owe I'm trying to save and I said straightaway. Well don't save Clear your debt first and then just try and save and if you're in so much debt and you don't know where to turn There's a good organization called step change. You can go to them for free debt advice turn there's a good organization called step change you can go to them for free debt advice they will help you and put a plan in place for you it does affect your credit rating but it could be that you're already you're in that that's more the end of the road if you're a credit rating so badly affected and I have a top tip I always say to people is it's crazy but make sure you've got

everything written down and I mean absolutely everything so when you people a lot of times they'll have like their gas their electric their car And then that'll be it and then i'll say to my friend She said I don't know where my money's going and i'm like well, let's go through your bank statement Like you're going to mcdonald's three times a week. You're going to starbucks four times a week You're doing this do you have a pattern? Have you got a gym membership? You're not paying for is the subscriptions on your phone? You're not paying for do you just go and pick coffees up on the way out? I mean, it's just so much. Gem, I feel like this is all directed at me.

Is it? Is it? Right, well, we need a word after. So yeah, all those little things that you can then sort of cut down on. I feel like I'm the bad member that pays for every single person's Netflix, Disney. Really?

I pay for it for everyone. Everyone's on my account, so I'm the giver of the family. You're the giver of the family, brilliant. Don't worry, everyone, I'll just pay for it, it's fine. Yeah, even things like that, people with TV subscriptions, people spend so much on that, you can easily cut that down. So yeah.

What I was gonna say, so you know like even with the McDonald's, the Starbucks, do you think that we have become a culture and a world where people just spend so much on the delivery, the going out, the takeaways? See, if you think back when we were kids, we didn't go to restaurants as much as what our kids go to.

The Burnie Inn and that, and what was the other one? Do you remember the Burnie Inn or were you too young for that? No, I'm a bit too young for that. But no, we had Charlie Chalks and that that we'd go to. I don't remember that. There was a little chef on the, and you used to get the lollipop.

But now it's like, our kids, how many times a week do you reckon your kids go out? But mine- mine don't. Yours don't because you're the giver, I'm the saver. Kelsey you're talking to the wrong person here. How often? Probably no. I have got so good with my saving of my money. Have you? Yes. I'm so proud of you. And I'm obviously into my health, my wellness. So now I go to the butchers and get all my butchers me and plan what meals we're having during the week and I'm trying to get rid of takeaways not do takeaways. That's brilliant, I've never do takeaways. Because they are just literally... They're a real treat. I mean we've lived in our

house since October we've had two takeaways and we're in May. But also it's everything that goes into them takeaways. How like my brothers are so fitness heavy, rape seed oils, you can't eat them. Everything they cook now is fresh. They are like so into their fitness and what they're eating. So it's a change now.

I think also because of Tom, it's made me look at the world differently and everything processed and ultra processed now and the sweets, the sugar, but but yeah I do the butchers and then I literally get my essentials what I need during the week and then I try I make dinners every single night. And that is one of the best ways to cut down we never throw away anything and I always say this to people like if you cook a lot of meats and things like that and your kids are bad with vegetables like doing things like Bolognese's right

buying the mince, well half the mince, put half the mince in the freezer, and then do half of it, blend up some carrots and some onions and everything, and then you're making this huge dinner and it's costing you half the money that the mince does, but you're getting all the veg packed in there. And it's also, as you say, all the sauces have got all sugars and everything in them.

So if you buy like, tin tomatoes, fresh tomatoes, and things like that. Everything from fresh. So we do, we're really good like that. We've always done like sort of dinners and stuff. We never have. Can I say butchers meat is a game changer. Yeah I don't know where our local butcher is. Go to the butchers. I'm gonna give you advice now. Okay go then. Get yourselves to the butchers because honestly it will change your life. What that tastes like to what supermarket meat tastes like is like worlds apart. Yeah and that is worth paying extra money for.

But it's cheaper what I spend at the butchers is actually cheaper than if I went into a supermarket and bought it. Look at that go on Kelsey's the new money mum over here. Money tip from Kelsey. I will make soups I'll make everything in the house. Yes I want to start doing that I went to I don't know if you follow Amy the social mum and she's scott she's from Scotland see I've given her a little shout out this is what I do and she's only a small account supporting others this is what I'm about I went to stay with her in Scotland a few weeks ago and she made soup it blew my mind I've never really thought about it she was putting all this stuff in it sweden it was absolute in fact I need the recipe because I said to her I want to do it. You'll have to come to mine and I'll have to make you a soup.

Will you? Because soup is my specialty as well. Oh my goodness, I don't like anything too spicy though, none of people like the chili in things, I don't like that. So if you can cut that out for me. But also my kids will love a soup, and like even for them learning about,

because she'll go, oh can we get a takeaway? And I'm like no. I say to them, I know, they're bad for you, all the stuff in them and they cost money. I literally say that. People say do you teach your kid about money? I don't sit them ram it down them but I just teach him day to day things and it is good to teach him about like when Broncie and Brodie always say to me every night that there was a Easter eggs and obviously I just got them one egg and my mum got them one egg and my sister got them one egg. I don't see this hundred eggs. You know we had an Easter egg

home but with plastic eggs and then a friend of mine had dressed up as the bunny and coming and saw him. We just had a Sunday roast at ours. It was a lovely little day. But even that, even though it was Easter Sunday, I let him have a bit more. But then even at night I'll break off a bit and I said to him, you can't have all that sugar in one day. It's bad for your teeth. It's bad.

So I think it's just, he's sort of, yeah, telling them, but you don't have to ram it down their throat. And it's going, it's stripping it all back. Someone actually messaged me on Easter and went. Oh my god. I'm so happy We literally did the Easter egg hunt with the tiny little link chocolates. Oh, okay. I'll just be mommy plastic eggs Yeah better, but yeah, we're using next year You know, you can just get them packs so they only have so each place We just put two two two likes one on the trampoline like two on the trampoline to their to the so much again

I'm so thankful that I think I spoke about two on the trampoline, two there, two there. So I'm messaging her going, I'm so thankful, I think I've spoken about this on the pod already, I'm so thankful you did that, because I woke up this morning, I'm a grandma, and I've got my grandchildren coming over, and I've just looked on Instagram, and everyone's got all these presents, and it's all so extreme. They had one egg each, and I did like an Easter table,

but it was from Poundland, and I did a Sunday roast, and I put plastic eggs from Poundland and I did a Sunday roast and I put plastic eggs from Poundland around the garden and at the end they then got their egg that was on the table but it was one egg each, but one for my niece. But they just liked the actual hunting of... Oh my god, the hunting of the plastic eggs. Well I bought 150 of them and there was four of them and because I've now got this new, as I said to you, I've got this lovely big garden now, we put it all around. They were out there, they were absolutely loving it,

collecting plastic eggs. Yeah, that's it.. I think I put one chocolate one out there. That's it though, we've all got to strip it back. I think, like you said at the beginning in this pod, people go up by the expensive handbags, it's all so flashy, Instagram, but just stripping it back, keeping it real. Yeah, and there's nothing wrong with wanting, I haven't got a Chanel handbag and I would actually like one. I would love a Chanel handbag and I would actually like one Yeah, I was gonna say I really do want a Chanel handbag and I'm gonna be honest. I could afford to buy one, right? I'm gonna be to be totally honest. I'm gonna just strip it up

I could afford to buy one but I can't justify the money on that bag Yeah, I can't because I think well no cuz that can go towards my kids future that can go towards my mortgage I've still I'm now I was mortgage free. I'm not now. So I just think maybe one day I'll buy it. If I wanted it that badly, then I'd get it. But I don't, I don't have the urge that much. I'd like it, but I'm more like, yeah, I'd like to be gifted it, but I'm definitely in the wrong influencer job for that

because I'm not high in fashion. So Chanel are definitely not gonna give me a handbag. Shout out to Chanel right now. If you wanna give me one, I would take it. Me and Gemma. Yeah, and I will go on my stories for you and say this isn't a money Tip, but I've been gifted this And I'll even take the trolley for 24 hours for the bag

Brilliant because we were to get drunk. Yeah, you would yeah, but I'll be taking Yeah, well I got ripped up in the newspaper the other day. They went from every luxury item I've got but some things they were bringing up I was just like it's just hilarious you know like when they went they went through all my jobs what I do bearing in mind I work really hard I've had a performing arts school since the age of 21 all that all all pictures with me and my bags but again for me I love bags other people like other things. I've got no shoes my shoes are never more than like 30 quid. I yeah so I'm all about like the new look shoes. Yeah, I haven't got anything.

Even heels, I will not buy, Lebouton's, anything like that. Oh, nothing. I've never owned designer heels. I've got some Karen Millan ones sent and I honestly thought, I am big time now. I'm basically Lorna Lucks. You basically are. Yeah. That's same as me. But every handbag. But I was wanting to go, some of them handbags are like, like, 20 years old. That's my first Gucci bag I ever bought myself.

Yeah, I've had ones for like my 30s, I've had ones, but they've actually, what Adam's told me over the years. But I think as well, when you achieve things, like certain bags I've got, that for me is like, I achieved, I worked really hard to actually get that bag. That was like-

It's representation. That bag there is really battered, but I bought that bag when I got my book deal. So I can tell you that, there's a memory of that. We went up to London and I bought that bag when I got my book deal. Yeah. So I can tell you that there's a memory of that we went up to London and I bought that bag when I got my book deal. My I've got a black Gucci one and I got that for my fourth year. There are representations exactly they're not just willy-nilly like I won't just leave here now and go to Bond Street and think I'm just going to drop a couple of grand on a bag. No I just again I couldn't warrant it. No I couldn't. I knew we got

kids to feed didn't we? Yeah there's too much else to pay out for. Right, so I feel like I've got, I had so many things written down, again, the whole script, and I've not kept to this script at all. We don't, we do we. I think that's what Adam sent you in it, I don't even know what he sent. Yeah, why is it all about Adam?

There's a whole section on Adam here now, Jakin. Adam, we've spoken about you anyway, mate, don't worry about it, we brought you in there. He does the emails, so he probably just puts, yeah. Oh, why do I just love Adam so much? I know know he does all my emails. Well, I'm dyslexic So I couldn't write him so he's been dealing with all this and then he'll write Adam is back was basically my Tom Yeah, he does everything because when I was I started YouTube Like when I was obviously being time used to first was being Kelsey then it became meet the Parkers

Do you still do that? No, I don't do the YouTube anymore. Everyone always asks me, go back to YouTube, go back to YouTube, but again, that's a lot. There's money in it. Yeah, I know, but the editing. Look at me, I know, but it's the time. I tried YouTube, I've only got 2,000 subs, so if anyone's listening and wanna follow me,

at Money Mom on YouTube, give us a sub. Yeah, I've not got loads of subs, I might have like 10,000 subs. That's good compared to me. But I used to do it all the time. And for me, if I hadn't done YouTube with Tom, that if you want to watch me and Tom as a couple go to our YouTube because it's hilarious. I've got so much like was I meant to do that at that time. That's lovely yeah. To create memories. Like when I did

Life After Tom you literally could feel like you was in our relationship because we had so many YouTube videos of us. Like because I watched that yeah program wasn't like so they got that's what they got it they literally got they pulled everything from my YouTube with him but he did he helped me so much like he was so good like making the thumbnails help well I then learned how to edit but the editing like he he sorted me out he would email people back he does all that all my all my connections so like we're going to i don't know say like they want you to go and promote something i loved it when the holiday ones that you get like okay i'll take one for the team

and i'll have a free holiday i'll take one for the team i'll do it any holiday companies out there i'll do it money too but adam will deal with all things like that i mean because i can't email so yeah he did say to me days like right you're going to be with Kelsey. I've given her all the subjects that you could talk about. I've thought of some things that you could do. And I'm like, all right. But he doesn't tell me because he knows that whatever he said I will be okay with. So I'm like, imagine one day he throw me at the deep end and I'll be like, I did not want to talk about that. Who gave you that? Who gave you that line? So there's a bit here, section here.

I'd be like, defo no. No, and we're talking about co-sleeping. Yeah. So do you still sleep with the kids? Did you write that down? Oh yeah, I do. What, both of them? Just Bronte.

Well, she sleeps in bed with you and Adam? Me, just me, not Adam. Oh, so where does Adam sleep? In our room. Oh my God, so you are like the, when I used to watch the Sam and, Sam Fairs and Paul, that's what they did, didn't they? Yeah. So Bronte and me sleep in the spare room

at the moment because Bronte's room's still not done, so the mattress on the floor in there. So we did the spare room first for guests, but me and Bronte sleep in that, that's our room. We got a bed and Adam sleeps in the other room. But we have- Who do you go to bed with though? I go to bed with Bronte.

So you don't go to bed with Adam? No. You're like, what? When do you and Adam? You know. Well I guess you've got all day off together. We've got all day off together and we have every evening together so Bronty goes to bed at seven o'clock every single night. She's good. So why do you go to bed with her then? I don't go to bed with her sorry. Oh physically. I thought you meant when I come upstairs and I go straight to bed where do I go? I'll go

home with Bronty. So at seven o'clock Bronty goes to bed. Yeah but what I'm saying is why because she's already gone to sleep. Because she always will wake up at about half past 10, every single solitary night without Fowl for, well, from now till six years old. But that's because we co-sleep, so she would just automatically do that. We tried for a long time, for about three months, when she got to about two and a half,

trying to put her in her own bed, and it was absolutely horrific. She was trying to, at one point, she was rocking the wardrobe in her room trying to almost pull it on top of herself Brody had to get up for school every single day so it didn't work and in the end it was like because we had an older one and she kept waking him up for school I was like right well she can sleep with me she can sleep with me and it just ended up it was like that and

now actually it just works well so she goes to bed at seven o'clock I go downstairs with Adam we have our whole evening together and then we go back upstairs and then I get into bed at about half 10 11 I mean Adams love your life. He's literally star fishing in bed on his own. Yeah, and it is lovely like she's my last child I'm older now, so I'm not gonna have any more She's just absolutely lovely and I get to wake up with just the most cute when you're gonna stop. I don't know I haven't put like a Marker on it. Do you get what I mean? Like this? We works for us at the minute

I'm not saying it would work for everybody but it works for but it works for us and I like it and Bronte really likes it. I've spoken about it on here before. Obviously when Tom died, so none of my kids, I've always been quite like, you stay in your beds. Yeah, most people are like, duh. But when Tom died, Bodie obviously knew that there was space in the bed for him. So he used to sleep with me. But then I thought,, you know what, if I do meet someone else, it's cruel for me to be having him in the bed. So I trained him out of the bed. He is my hard work sleeper in the night. He goes, he goes, things go bump in the night

with both like he's always up. One of us is always taking him back to bed. But even obviously, when I first met Will, he used to then get in bed between us both. And it's like, obviously Will's like, what have I signed up for here? But he likes the comfort of us. But actually, he has been so good for like the last, I'd say three months, he's just slept. Because with Beau as well, he has like a little regression. So when we all went to, we went to Gran Canaria,

and I said to Will, oh, he's gonna be a nightmare when we get home, because he slept in a room Of us all right. He likes us all being there. Yeah, but actually when we came back He then I just try and walk him back to his bed every night Yeah, well, that's I think that's kind of what happened with us We went away and it kind of was all in the same room and then it sort of it went on from there But I mean, I mean sort of no real rush like I'm really loving it as well Like cuz I just think well, she's gonna

Before I know it she's going to be sleeping with me anymore. She's going to be like 14 and be like, mom. I don't want to sleep with anymore. She's six. I'm not going to have anymore. What does it matter? I'm not harming anyone. She's not harming anyone. It's working for our family.

I'm loving it at the moment. Each their own. It works for us at the minute. I'm not saying it's right for everybody, but me and Adam are happy. We still have our adult time. We still have our evenings together. And I get to cuddle my beautiful little daughter and I'm absolutely I'm I am obsessed with my kids like I just absolutely love them. They bring me joy.

People bring me joy and I'm just and I'm just like I'm not in any rush to kick her out and my mom would probably be like oh Gemma you need to but even mum now is like you know what it's working for you it's working for you and my sister doesn't do it, my mum doesn't do it, but I just love it, yeah. Yeah, and I do think, like I was saying, that they're not gonna get to a certain age. She's not gonna be in her twenties, be like, mum, can I still sleep in the bedroom?

Yeah, exactly, she's not. And Brody never did, Brody was a brilliant sleeper. Absolutely brilliant, but Brody doesn't listen to a word I say, she listens to everything, but it's been a terrible sleeper. No one's perfect. No one's perfect. No one's perfect.

And they've all got their own little. Yeah. Because actually, mine's probably the same. Ray doesn't listen to anything. Rayleigh listens to nothing I say. I actually think she needs to get her ears tested for, she just does. If I go don't touch that, don't touch that, don't touch that, don't touch that, she still will touch it. Same as Brodie. But Bronnie would never. She's so well behaved. Like even in they say that. They say to me, she's 10 out of 10 with a spelling test. If she doesn't get 10 out of 10 she gets upset with it. If you said to her now, Bronnie could you sit down there? She'd be like, okay Kelsey. Like you know when she was out with Aurelia and she's going to a company, Bronnie's like okay and she's the follower. She'll do anything

she's told to do. And that is my Brodie. So it's the same isn't it? And they're the bad sleepers. Yeah and they're the bad sleepers isn't it? So I need you want you yeah But is that is that just something they're born with then do they just are they just needy and want you like she says To me when I ever have ever tried to put her in her very wordies that she's frightened and that she's scared and that she doesn't That she doesn't like it and that she's upset and she gets in such a state. I like she hot almost hyperventilates So I think well, why do I'm not not, I don't want to put her through that. So I don't care whatever. We all know about trauma now and... Yeah and she...

Trauma from when you're older and... Yeah and she does get so traumatised by it so for now it works for us. Yeah. Well Gemma, we could speak for hours. Of course we could. Thank you so much for coming on today. Oh you're so welcome. And I hope you've all learned something from... The Money Mum. Thank you so much for coming on today. Oh, you're so welcome. And I hope you've all learned something from... The Money Merm.

Thank you. That's a wrap on another episode of Mum's The Word. Thank you so much for joining us today as we were joined by the amazing Gemma Bird. Don't forget to leave us a review, follow us on socials at mum's the word and subscribe to our YouTube channel. Just search mum's the word until next time. I'm Kelsey Parker and this is mum's the word and we'll be back with another episode same time same place next week.